Doctor Who *spoilers*

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally "Trial of A Time Lord" is the next release after "Brain Of Morbius".

[Jimmy T. Squirrel]

Try watching anything with Alexei Sayle without wincing. I find watching Indiana Jones and the Last crusade pretty easy to do with out wincing.

But enough about that back to the good old Doctor, does anyone know when the new season is going to start?

[mattx110]

I find watching Indiana Jones and the Last crusade pretty easy to do with out wincing.

But enough about that back to the good old Doctor, does anyone know when the new season is going to start?
April 11th? I think sometime around there. Maybe a little later.

[Jimmy T. Squirrel]

April 11th? I think sometime around there. Maybe a little later. Not too long to wait then. Groovy

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally Sarah Jane will run on Friday with BSG. Kind of an odd choice pairing the two...

[Stressfactor]

Okay, yeah, what was someone smoking when they came up with THAT schedule?! SJA with BSG? :eek:

[ZT4]

Apparentally Sarah Jane will run on Friday with BSG. Kind of an odd choice pairing the two...

...

...That is almost too ackward for description...

...Do they even watch these shows before they pick 'em up?

[Deathstroke]

Okay, yeah, what was someone smoking when they came up with THAT schedule?! SJA with BSG? :eek:


The lightness of SJA to offset the ever growing darkness that is the tone of BSG?

[king mob]

Apparentally "Trial of A Time Lord" is the next release after "Brain Of Morbius".

It'll be interesting to watch Trial Of A Time Lord after so many years to see the exact point that the show effectively died on it's arse when Bonnie Langford appeared.

[ZT4]

The last two parts are better than the two Matrix sequels, if it's any consolation.:p

[ChrisIII]

...and right on the heels of TOATL, another big WHO epic-The War Games is coming to DVD, according to OG.

[Stressfactor]

I think speculation on "War Games" is 2009 -- for the 40th anniversary.

This is one of the stories I tend to deliberately avoid watching* simply because it is such a sad farewell in a way. Troughton is my fave Doctor and it became such an end of en era since Troughton and Hines lasted so long doing their Doctor/Jamie-Abott/Costello routine. I could really kick the writers (if any of them are still alive) for making Jamie and Zoe the only companions who never get to remember their adventures.

I like the Pertwee era, really I do, but there was definitely a kind of charm lost with Troughton that didn't get found again until Tom Baker stepped into the role.

[ChrisIII]

^Terrance Dicks was one of the writers on "War Games", I believe, and he's still around.

[ZT4]

Given Terrance's "6b" theory, War Games isnt that sad a farewell, it's just the beggining of the "lost" Troughton seasons...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think speculation on "War Games" is 2009 -- for the 40th anniversary.

This is one of the stories I tend to deliberately avoid watching* simply because it is such a sad farewell in a way. Troughton is my fave Doctor and it became such an end of en era since Troughton and Hines lasted so long doing their Doctor/Jamie-Abott/Costello routine. I could really kick the writers (if any of them are still alive) for making Jamie and Zoe the only companions who never get to remember their adventures.

I like the Pertwee era, really I do, but there was definitely a kind of charm lost with Troughton that didn't get found again until Tom Baker stepped into the role.

Yeah the rare episodes I saw on Youtube I enjoyed his Doctor. His facial reactions sold me on him a lot. I missed seeing the end of his Doctor.

[ChrisIII]

Yeah, there is still the season 6b theory, which states that the Doctor didn't regenerate immeadiatly after the trial, picked up Jaime and Victoria (But not Zoe for some reason) for more adventures, and worked for the celestial intervention agency. The theory is the result of continuity errors in the Five and Two Doctors, like the Doctor realizing that Jaime and Zoe's memory was wiped (How could he if he regenerated minutes later?) and working for the time lords when he should've been on the run from them.


It's at least most prevelant in the WHO expanded universe, with novels such as World Game and the TV comics.

[ZT4]

Anyone catch the name of the final new monster in Primeval's finale tonight?

"Silurian Scorpion"

(yeah, it's existing, legit terminology, but no coincidence since Cornell wrote last week's episode)

It's at least most prevelant in the WHO expanded universe, with novels such as World Game and the TV comics.

Speaking of the early issues of TV Comic, I liked how the later strips retconned The Doctor's "other grandchildren", John and Gillian (the first strip companions) as fairy-tale characters. The Doctor read to himself as a way of theraputicly recovering from the departure of a real companion.

[ChrisIII]

^I think they did that in the novels as well-explained they were part of the "Land of Fiction" (From The Mind Robber) or something like that.

[Stressfactor]

I've read about the "Season 6B Theory" but even with that there is no indication of Jamie and Victoria's eventual fate. The "Helicon Prime" audio would seem to indicate that, when time caught up to the Doctor and he had to begin his exile, the Time Lords still put Jamie back and erased his memory.

At any rate, I've often heard fans say that the first Doctor a person is exposed to is usually their favorite but my first (like a lot of people's) was Tom Baker on PBS. When I went back to the earliest stuff I fell in love with Troughton's portrayal -- it's the way he can go from angry to defiant to scared all in a heartbeat. The biggest thing about his performances, though, is the fact that he really sold it. On the documentary for the making of "City of Death" someone commented that they wrote things for Tom Baker so that viewers would be able to tell that when the Doctor was being his most flippant and silly that this was not the time to be concerned but then it raised the stakes that much more when Baker's Doctor was serious. It was a signal that if the Doctor was taking things seriously then things were serious indeed. Well, to me that was the genious of Troughton as well. When his Doctor got scared it was a signal that things were really scary.

If you ever get the chance watch "The Mind Robber" and really watch Troughton's performance. It's a great story if for no other reason than in the final act Troughton really sells it that the Doctor looks like he's lost -- he's at the end and even his great brain seems to have failed him and the whole time the viewer is right there with him, honestly wondering just how the Doctor is going to fix this mess.

[ZT4]

^I think they did that in the novels as well-explained they were part of the "Land of Fiction" (From The Mind Robber) or something like that.

You're right, it was "Head Games" I beleive (when Jason Kane was the "Master of Fiction")

I was referring to the comic strips in Doctor Who Magazine, shortly after Izzy departed.

[ChrisIII]

Has there been any word on the USA "improved" Key To Time? I can't seem to find anything, unfortunately. I know that they canceled (or delayed) the release of the Special Edition of Rememberance, maybe they think US fans don't want to double-dip?

[drwho]

This is off topic but maybe someone knows the answer to this. Does the limit on changing the regions of a cd rom drive have to do with the actual program on the computer that plays the video, or the drive itself. Why can't they just have computers be able to play any region dvd at all times. Why place a limit on it?

[Spike-X]

This is off topic but maybe someone knows the answer to this. Does the limit on changing the regions of a cd rom drive have to do with the actual program on the computer that plays the video, or the drive itself.

I think it's to do with the firmware in the drive itself.

Why can't they just have computers be able to play any region dvd at all times. Why place a limit on it?

What? Actually allow the paying customer to have full choice of what we can play and how we can play it, rather than having that dictated to us by greedy multinational entertainment conglomerates?

That's just crazy talk! Do you want the terrorists to win?

[Stressfactor]

Has there been any word on the USA "improved" Key To Time? I can't seem to find anything, unfortunately. I know that they canceled (or delayed) the release of the Special Edition of Rememberance, maybe they think US fans don't want to double-dip?

Edit: I was doing some digging online and found the following on Steve manfred's website devoted to "Doctor Who" North American DVD releases:

In 2002, North America saw the release of The Key to Time box set, containing all 6 stories from the series’ 16th season featuring Tom Baker’s Doctor searching the universe for the six segments of the all-powerful Key to Time. This release was exclusive to North America Region 1.

BBC Video/2entertain in the UK have released a new Region 2 edition of The Key to Time over there. This new edition contains many more extras than the 2002 Region 1 edition did, as well as more extensive restoration. BBC Worldwide Americas had originally intended to release this new version in North America (Region 1) sometime in 2008, but have since changed their minds. There are too many new releases coming in the pipeline from the UK for them to want to displace anything with this re-release, and so they will hold off on this until they’ve caught up.

Bugger.

But we get "Beneath the Surface boxset in June. For more info you can persue the website yourself here: http://home.comcast.net/~smanfred/

[ChrisIII]

There's a rumor going around that Paul Kaye is the eleventh Doctor,

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0443373/


Apparentally somebody's spotted an "embargoed" BBC press release (Set for early March) that reveals Tennant will leave either after the specials or this season, and Kaye will step in.


Kaye's got a good resume, it seems, my only problem is that visually, he looks fairly similar to Tennant.

[Typo Lad]

Googles

A Jewish Doctor?

Neat.

[ChrisIII]

^Tom Baker was half-Jewish (Although raised Catholic).

[Typo Lad]

No halfsies!

[Stressfactor]

There's a rumor going around that Paul Kaye is the eleventh Doctor,

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0443373/


Apparentally somebody's spotted an "embargoed" BBC press release (Set for early March) that reveals Tennant will leave either after the specials or this season, and Kaye will step in.


Kaye's got a good resume, it seems, my only problem is that visually, he looks fairly similar to Tennant.

Well, that might fit withthe rumors that the end of season four will see the Doctor severely wounded and possibly close to "death". Although, honestly, I think that introducing a new actor as the Doctor through only three specials would be a bit dodgy. I mean, if I were in charge I would want to start strong and give the actor a nice, regular, uninterrupted run to establish and develop his version of the Doctor. IF this rumor holds any water at all I would likely place it after the three specials.

That being said... up to 11 now. They keep burning through regenerations every couple of years they're going to run right up against having to come up with a clever and plausible way of giving the Doctor new lives... which does not involve stealing other people's bodies ('cause that's what the baddies do :D )

[ChrisIII]

Well, if this is true, Tennant's had a decent run-he's lasted pretty much the average for a Doctor.


Here is the thread where I spotted the information:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=46850

[ZT4]

I'm more willing to beleive this than the other more predictable names dropped in the press. Paul indicates some thought went into this.

[Mac Danny]

Well, if this is true, Tennant's had a decent run-he's lasted pretty much the average for a Doctor.


Here is the thread where I spotted the information:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=46850

But I want this guy!

Colin Salmon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0758760/)

[SPAfreak]

But I want this guy!

Colin Salmon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0758760/)

With the last two Doctors I have a hard time seeing the overly dry Salmon in the role. It would be a very different experience to say the least.

[Mac Danny]

Googles

A Jewish Doctor?

Neat.

Why, do you know a girl who would be perfect for him?

[Mac Danny]

With the last two Doctors I have a hard time seeing the overly dry Salmon in the role. It would be a very different experience to say the least.

He could be the Funk Doctor!

[ChrisIII]

Another rumor floating around is that (season 4 finale spoilers)We'll also see Jackie and Mickey reappear. Makes sense considering Rose is back.


Salmon actually is in the season, but as a supporting actor in the Moffat episodes.

[Matt]

I still say Anthony Stewart Head would make an excellent Doctor. Be a complete shift away from the manically energetic ones we've had of late, go for a more intellectual and planning style.

[ChrisIII]

Trouble is he's already been the headmaster. Still, Colin Baker played Maxil barely a year before he was cast as the Doctor, and Tennant played many WHO roles in the audio dramas before being cast the Doctor (Although in his case, it was a bit different). Wonder if David leaves he'll do some more work (Although not as the Doctor) for Big Finish.


My personal favorite choice for an older Doctor has always been Bill Nighy (and I'm told he was considered at one point), but I'm told that's not really a possibility since RTD wants thirtysomething actors (of whom Kaye fits that profile).

[Stressfactor]

Ah, but if Moffat becomes showrunner would that 30-something rule stay?

Still, as much as I like Anthony Stewart Head as an actor I think he might be a little too 'straight' to play the Doctor.

I know that Eccleston was quoted as saying he was against the 'odd' costume for the Doctor saying that the Doctor's alienness should come from his speech and actions rather than his clothes but I must admit I do miss the quirky costumes. Tennant's trainers with a pin-stripe suit is still just a little too dressed (or "GQ" as one of my friends put it).

I'm not saying we have to go back to Eight's Lord Byron look but I do think it would be nice to see a Doctor who dresses like a man out of time. Personally, I've kind of thought it odd that they never incorporated anything quasi-futuristic looking into the costume. I think it would be fun to see a Doctor whose clothing is a mix of future and past with the idea of he really just doesn't care or notice what time period he's in unless it becomes important.

At any rate -- all merely speculation. There was an earlier rumor that Tennant would be leaving at the end of season four and he denied it.

[ragnarok_2012]

Ah, but if Moffat becomes showrunner would that 30-something rule stay?

Still, as much as I like Anthony Stewart Head as an actor I think he might be a little too 'straight' to play the Doctor.

I know that Eccleston was quoted as saying he was against the 'odd' costume for the Doctor saying that the Doctor's alienness should come from his speech and actions rather than his clothes but I must admit I do miss the quirky costumes. Tennant's trainers with a pin-stripe suit is still just a little too dressed (or "GQ" as one of my friends put it).

I'm not saying we have to go back to Eight's Lord Byron look but I do think it would be nice to see a Doctor who dresses like a man out of time. Personally, I've kind of thought it odd that they never incorporated anything quasi-futuristic looking into the costume. I think it would be fun to see a Doctor whose clothing is a mix of future and past with the idea of he really just doesn't care or notice what time period he's in unless it becomes important.

At any rate -- all merely speculation. There was an earlier rumor that Tennant would be leaving at the end of season four and he denied it.

Catherine Tate said in a televised interview that Tennant was gone after series 4 (Tennant denied it).

There's also the fact that the official story is that the show is going on hiatus for an entire year while Tennant does the stage work he's signed on for (which strikes me as unusual).

How can fans not speculate about whether or not Tennant's leaving?

And the actresses that play Gwen (Torchwood) and Martha both appeared in different roles on the new show before playing completely different castmembers, so that's hardly an obstacle with casting Anthony Stewart Head.

I would be very, very happy with seeing him as the Doctor.

EDIT: And I'm quite happy with the outfits for Eccleston & Tennant. A quasi-futuristic look might work, although I'd rather him not have what amounts to a utility belt of gadgetry.

[Matt]

I actually quite like the 8ths 'Lord Byron' look. That and the 1st Doctor's outfit are probably my favourite Doctor costumes.

[Sanagi]

For costuming and set design, D8 was a stand-out, maybe the best the show's ever seen. Shame it didn't work out better.

[ragnarok_2012]

For costuming and set design, D8 was a stand-out, maybe the best the show's ever seen. Shame it didn't work out better.

That is far and away my favorite TARDIS set.

I liked McGann and his look a lot.

I'm not sure I could pick a favorite outfit. Eccleston is my favorite Doctor, though.

[Haydn C]

There's also the fact that the official story is that the show is going on hiatus for an entire year while Tennant does the stage work he's signed on for (which strikes me as unusual).

How can fans not speculate about whether or not Tennant's leaving?



It is a long theatre season for him in 2008 with Loves Labours Lost and Hamlet, (which I will be seeing him in, it also has Patrick Stewart as Claudius), it will take up loads of his time, so I would not read to much into that.
Doesn't mean he is not going of course.

[Spike-X]

It is a long theatre season for him in 2008 with Loves Labours Lost...


Will he be following that up with the second ever performance of Love's Labours Won?

[mattx110]

It is a long theatre season for him in 2008 with Loves Labours Lost and Hamlet, (which I will be seeing him in, it also has Patrick Stewart as Claudius), it will take up loads of his time, so I would not read to much into that.
Doesn't mean he is not going of course.
You bastard!

That's awesome. I just saw a whole buncha stuff, but sadly, not gonna be in England for that, and I really want to go.

[Stressfactor]

EDIT: And I'm quite happy with the outfits for Eccleston & Tennant. A quasi-futuristic look might work, although I'd rather him not have what amounts to a utility belt of gadgetry.


No, no "utility belt" -- that's for Batman. I was thinking of something that would be subtle -- like a pair of boots or a shirt that looked like they were made of a futuristic material or had a bit of a post-modern design and then have bits of the rest of the outfit be from the past -- like a Western-style duster for a coat (which he wouldn't have to wear ALL the time) or ripped blue jeans a la the 1990's (hey nobody said it had to be the DISTANT past :D ) or Victorian era trousers -- that sort of thing.

[Haydn C]

You bastard!

That's awesome. I just saw a whole buncha stuff, but sadly, not gonna be in England for that, and I really want to go.

:D I'm taking Susie for her birthday and we are both very much looking forward to it. I have only seen Tennant in Doctor Who and Casanova so I am very intrigued to see what he is like on stage. We saw Patrick Stewart in The Tempest last year and he was great in that.

[Just a writer]

I'm sure this has probably been brought up before, but I really can't understand why fans took The 'new' Master trilogy (Utopia, The Sound of The Drums and Last of The Time Lords) so badly. I thought it was great. Hardly flawless, but still arguably one of the best Doctor Who stories ever.

[Cyke]

I'm sure this has probably been brought up before, but I really can't understand why fans took The 'new' Master trilogy (Utopia, The Sound of The Drums and Last of The Time Lords) so badly. I thought it was great. Hardly flawless, but still arguably one of the best Doctor Who stories ever.

My only real problem with the trilogy was the ending. The first two episodes were extremely strong, as was much of the third episode. But I just couldn't get with the idea of the Doctor being Jesus Christ Superstar. It sort of robbed the Doctor of his usual cleverness, and, oddly, it was the Doctor essentially using strongarm tactics to subdue a foe.

Also, the Doctor's imprisonment should be, for all intents and purposes, one of the darkest, roughest, and most horrific times in his life ever. But I didn't really get a sense of that in the writing. There were moments of pity for the Doctor, sure, but not a lot of tension, I feel.

And Captain Jack in Part 3... eh? Did he have anything useful to do?

But I don't want you to think that I'm being vicious to the arc as a whole. The Sound of Drums remains one of my favorite episodes of Who ever thanks to some tight pacing and some plot devices that may be common elsewhere, but is unique to Who (and thus, applied in very creative ways). The flashback to Gallifrey was one of NuWho's most reverent moments for OldWho, and it would've been so easy, and downright lazy, to just scorn the old costumes as silly and childish.

[Paul McEnery]

My only real problem with the trilogy was the ending. The first two episodes were extremely strong, as was much of the third episode. But I just couldn't get with the idea of the Doctor being Jesus Christ Superstar. It sort of robbed the Doctor of his usual cleverness, and, oddly, it was the Doctor essentially using strongarm tactics to subdue a foe.

Also, the Doctor's imprisonment should be, for all intents and purposes, one of the darkest, roughest, and most horrific times in his life ever. But I didn't really get a sense of that in the writing. There were moments of pity for the Doctor, sure, but not a lot of tension, I feel.

And Captain Jack in Part 3... eh? Did he have anything useful to do?

But I don't want you to think that I'm being vicious to the arc as a whole. The Sound of Drums remains one of my favorite episodes of Who ever thanks to some tight pacing and some plot devices that may be common elsewhere, but is unique to Who (and thus, applied in very creative ways). The flashback to Gallifrey was one of NuWho's most reverent moments for OldWho, and it would've been so easy, and downright lazy, to just scorn the old costumes as silly and childish.

The cop out ending makes me puke fairy wings, but what really upsets me is that five seconds of serious thought could have developed a better ending that actually did something sciencefictiony and Doctory.

Not to mention the appalling implication that by somehow using your digital communications device and reeeeely reeeeely belieeeeeving in Doctor Who, you save teh world.

[Paul McEnery]

Trouble is he's already been the headmaster. Still, Colin Baker played Maxil barely a year before he was cast as the Doctor, and Tennant played many WHO roles in the audio dramas before being cast the Doctor (Although in his case, it was a bit different). Wonder if David leaves he'll do some more work (Although not as the Doctor) for Big Finish.


My personal favorite choice for an older Doctor has always been Bill Nighy (and I'm told he was considered at one point), but I'm told that's not really a possibility since RTD wants thirtysomething actors (of whom Kaye fits that profile).

One more reason RTD has got to go.

Bill Nighy would be just aces.

[mattx110]

One more reason RTD has got to go.

Bill Nighy would be just aces.
It's always weird seeing him in nice guy dancy roles.

He's usually semi-hardass with a sense of humor. But dancing around in aghhh Marber+adapted screenplay... I could IMDB it but that'd be cheating...

the one with the underage love affair.

Anyway, the point is Nighy is awesome and can bring the tallness of Baker and Pertwee, the hairline of Hartnell, and the fun of McCoy!

[Sanagi]

The point in the season 3 finale when I realized I wasn't going to like the ending was when the Doctor got super-aged, because right then I knew there was going to be a big miracle ending to sweep everything under the rug and restore the status quo, like Star Trek: Voyager used to do all the time. Little did I realize just how miraculous it would be. I mean, it was a new direction for Doctor Who, I guess, but... The "everybody have faith in the hero" ending? That's totally Dragon Ball Z.

Man. Voyager and DBZ. I shouldn't have to make comparisons like that. I made myself sad.

[Spike-X]

I'm sure this has probably been brought up before, but I really can't understand why fans took The 'new' Master trilogy (Utopia, The Sound of The Drums and Last of The Time Lords) so badly. I thought it was great. Hardly flawless, but still arguably one of the best Doctor Who stories ever.
The first part was great. One of the most suspenseful last-few-minuteses I've ever seen.

The second part was pretty good in places, not so good in others.

The third part was a steaming pile of shite.

[ZT4]

I love LOTTL, but even I know precisly why people think it was crap. It's a literal hard nut to swallow when the ending is bollocks personified.

Good build to the ending though, so it passed for me, and the viking funeral/ROTJ/Flash Gordon references pleasured me guilty.

[Typo Lad]

The point in the season 3 finale when I realized I wasn't going to like the ending was when the Doctor got super-aged, because right then I knew there was going to be a big miracle ending to sweep everything under the rug and restore the status quo, like Star Trek: Voyager used to do all the time. Little did I realize just how miraculous it would be. I mean, it was a new direction for Doctor Who, I guess, but... The "everybody have faith in the hero" ending? That's totally Dragon Ball Z.

Man. Voyager and DBZ. I shouldn't have to make comparisons like that. I made myself sad.

I took it as some kind of homage to Peter Pan.

"I dobelieve in Time Lords. I do I do!"

[ChrisIII]

It seems to be the week for rumors/spoilers. Here's one regarding Donna and the finale (Highlight to read)Apparentally season 4 ends on a downer of sorts, with Donna apparentally amnesiac or dead and the Doctor on his own again.

[ChrisIII]

Regarding the Master trilogy, some feel that John Simm didn't really feel like the classic series Masters. IMO he was kind of a combination of Delgado (The dress sense, the fake names, the whole alliance-with-aliens deal, not to mention the delibrate references to the Pertwee era) and Roberts (The sense of humor and general campiness). I think the intention was for the "new" Master to be sort of an evil Doctor as oppossed to the more satanic character of the classic series. Even Jacobi's Master was also sort of an anti-Doctor.

[Alan Lynch]

Regarding the Master trilogy, some feel that John Simm didn't really feel like the classic series Masters. IMO he was kind of a combination of Delgado (The dress sense, the fake names, the whole alliance-with-aliens deal, not to mention the delibrate references to the Pertwee era) and Roberts (The sense of humor and general campiness). I think the intention was for the "new" Master to be sort of an evil Doctor as oppossed to the more satanic character of the classic series. Even Jacobi's Master was also sort of an anti-Doctor.
That's how I saw it. Simm's Master was as manic as Tennant's Doctor, so I assumed they were going for a "2 sides of the same coin" thing. He was pretty clearly evil though, in the same way the Doctor is clearly good.

For what it's worth, the Jesus ending is my one beef with the Master 3-parter. I like the idea of the Doctor planning something as far in advance as that, but the religious imagery was way too daft for me.

I've heard some scary rumours that we might see more of that in season 4 though. All my fingers are crossed that it's wrong.

[ChrisIII]

^There was the whole ascension with angels thing in Voyage of the Damned, as well.

[Alan Lynch]

^There was the whole ascension with angels thing in Voyage of the Damned, as well.
I was willing to forgive that one, given that it was a Christmas episode. And way, way too obvious to have been meant seriously. Right? Please?

[Stressfactor]

I'm actually kind of surprised that people didn't bring up "The Curse of Fenric" with the end of the recent Master Trilogy. After all, "Fenric" also wheeled on faith and belief in the Doctor.

[ZT4]

But Ian Briggs did it in a GOOD way, which didnt involve a fairy Doctor, just his telling Ace she was epic fail.

[Spike-X]

It seems to be the week for rumors/spoilers. Here's one regarding Donna and the finale (Highlight to read)Apparentally season 4 ends on a downer of sorts, with Donna apparentally amnesiac or dead and the Doctor on his own again.
Hmm...not really seeing the downside there.

[Typo Lad]

I love happy endings.

[ZT4]

Yeah, I heard rumours about the latter occuring to Donna months ago. It'd be one hell of a coup if they can do it

[ChrisIII]

The TV movie, if I remember correctly, was also heavy on the symbolism as well.

[mattx110]

Hmm...not really seeing the downside there.
It also makes sense for a doctor to regenerate after being burned in terms of companions 5 times in a row before getting a new one.

Which kinda sucks. Not a fan of this Kaye guy...

[Sanagi]

Regarding the Master trilogy, some feel that John Simm didn't really feel like the classic series Masters. IMO he was kind of a combination of Delgado (The dress sense, the fake names, the whole alliance-with-aliens deal, not to mention the delibrate references to the Pertwee era) and Roberts (The sense of humor and general campiness). I think the intention was for the "new" Master to be sort of an evil Doctor as oppossed to the more satanic character of the classic series. Even Jacobi's Master was also sort of an anti-Doctor.
I liked Simm, and part of my disappointment with the season 3 finale was that he didn't get more to do. In particular, the interaction between Simm and Tennant was great, and there wasn't enough of that because D10 just sits in a chair throughout the last episode.

[Stressfactor]

But Ian Briggs did it in a GOOD way, which didnt involve a fairy Doctor, just his telling Ace she was epic fail.

Well there was a sequence (which I think got cut) where the Doctor had to protect himself with what HE believed in -- and he started reciting the names of all his companions starting with Susan.

[Matt]

He used his belief as a psychic focus, like the preacher did with his faith in the bible/god ... well, until said faith failed and he got munched on.

The Fenric way of doing it was done better and made way more sense than the Last of the Time Lords.

[ZT4]

Well there was a sequence (which I think got cut) where the Doctor had to protect himself with what HE believed in -- and he started reciting the names of all his companions starting with Susan.

You're right...betrayed the twist of dealing with Fenric and lessened Ace had they went through with it

[ZT4]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=47062

Rain is falling. the Doctor, on the porch, looks up at it.

DOCTOR: Get a lot of this. Atmospheric disruption.

Rain stops.

DOCTOR: Bye, Wilfred.

The Doctor moves off. WILF calls out.

WILF: What about you? All those friends of yours....who have you got?...... Next time, at night, when the stars come out....I'll look up and I'll think of you....out there on your own...on her behalf....

The DOCTOR turns, walks sadly across the road, gets out key, opens TARDIS, goes inside. Disappointingly, it doesn't disappear with a wheezing, groaning sound - but David Tennant comes out and goes back to the house.

This scene is rehearsed/recorded a couple of times and the last time I clearly heard the Doctor shout "You can never tell her!" quite loudly just before Wilf's long line. Make of it what you will; at first it sounded as if Donna has died but the last line seems to suggest she's lost her memory. It certainly seemed like they were filming the very last scene of the fourth series.

During the theatrical trailer, we noticed Donna talking to her grandfather about the stars and thinking of The Doctor, so by the finale, the roles have switched, and Wilfred is the wanderer...Donna will go back to her normal life and be none the wiser. Sounds rather poetic and touching...unfortunatly the dramatic significence will be all but lost now unless it's acted well enough, as we'll all be expecting it.

...Should of happened to Rose, Martha, heck all three of the females...that'll really end the fourth on a downer with the fangirls it's amounted.

And to give the usual nod to Whedon...Angel's fourth season also ended with an anmesiac plot twist. I dont expect Donna to hold a whole mall of people hostage with her Lauren Cooper act, but this is EXACTLY how Angel's fourth season ended.


And official images

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/ClaireSharpe/wetcap2.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/ClaireSharpe/wetcap.jpg

[ChrisIII]

"Fenric" is probably one of the best of WHO's later years; although like with Ghost Light, it takes a few viewings to fully understand it. (The special edition helps a bit).


Interestingly, the Beast in the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit shows some similarities to Fenric. Perhaps he's one of the "Great old ones" mentioned in the New Adventures (Basically a catch-all name for disembodied villains who posess people in New Who such as the Great Intelligence, Fenric etc.). I'm sure Matt knows more about the subject than I do though, it's been a while since I've read any WHO books.

[Alan Lynch]

It also makes sense for a doctor to regenerate after being burned in terms of companions 5 times in a row before getting a new one.

Which kinda sucks. Not a fan of this Kaye guy...
I love Paul Kaye, but I'm not sure my brain could cope with Mike Strutter in the Tardis.

[Stressfactor]

Hmm...not really seeing the downside there.

You know, I really don't get this dislike for Catherine Tate/Donna Noble. I watched "The Runaway Bride" and sure, there were a few times she went over the top but I thought that was just a little wink to the Christmas Pantomime tradition. Otherwise I rather had a ball watching her be one of the most ordinary of ordinary people getting swept in the Doctor's insane wake. At least she's probably got enough brains not to fall for the villains' lines and betray the Doctor unlike SOME companions *cough*Adric*cough*. Alright, so she's no Romana... but who is?


As for the potential spoiler. It would be an interesting the devlopment -- and the only other companion besides Jamie and Zoe to not get to remember the Doctor if true.

On the other hand -- I had thought that most were banking on Freema staying on for the specials -- this sounds like the Doctor will be alone again to pick up a new companion in the first of the Specials..... OR I suppose they could end up doing what Tom Baker wanted to do after Elisabeth Sladen left -- have the Doctor pick up 'temporary' companions in each one of the specials. Pick up someone who helps him through that one adventure and then they stay behind and he goes on his merry TARDIS way.

[Spike-X]

I rather had a ball watching her be one of the most ordinary of ordinary people...

Ah, I think I see the issue here.

I actually don't much like 'ordinary' people. This is why I watch/read escapist fantasy - to get away from them.

[ZT4]

As for the potential spoiler. It would be an interesting the devlopment -- and the only other companion besides Jamie and Zoe to not get to remember the Doctor if true..

That was a genuine low from The Time Lords...you'd think with how ruthless they are at punishment, it'll surprise the audience if Gallifrey is restored and there still this pompous, judgemental race.

[Stressfactor]

Ah, I think I see the issue here.

I actually don't much like 'ordinary' people. This is why I watch/read escapist fantasy - to get away from them.

But see, with Donna, that is what doubles the funny -- ordinary person in extremely extraordinary circumstances and watching her try to cope... or not.

[Stressfactor]

That was a genuine low from The Time Lords...you'd think with how ruthless they are at punishment, it'll surprise the audience if Gallifrey is restored and there still this pompous, judgemental race.

I suppose, in some ways, the Time Lords did not see it as punishing Jamie, Zoe, and the Doctor. After all, the Doctor had taken Jamie and Zoe out of their timelines and the Time Lords were all about keeping the fabric of time whole. To their minds they were merely correcting a mistake and, in order to keep Jamie or Zoe from upsetting the balance of time, the companions could not be allowed to remember any of the technology or advances they had seen.

Of course, the fact that the Time Lords saw it in such black and white and emotionless terms is what made it all the more heartbreaking.


Still, I have a feeling that Gallifrey won't be coming back anytime soon -- I wouldn't mind seeing that Romana had somehow escaped, however. One of the few characters who could not only keep up with the Doctor, but beat him.

If they bring Gallifrey back then they'll have trouble with the Doctor's characterization again. It's the irony of the whole situation that makes it work -- all through the Doctor's incarnations he has fled from Gallifrey -- pushed away from it and defined himself by being NOT what they were. He spent all his time running away from "home" and then, one day, he has no home to go home to. Suddenly, all of his rebelliousness is useless. He cannot define himself by being AGAINST something that no longer exists. Worse, he has now discovered that odd mental/emotional reaction that when you CAN'T do something it suddenly becomes the thing you most want to do. Now that he can't go back to Gallifrey it is the one thing he wishes he could do.

If they restore Gallifrey then they have to find a way to restore the Doctor back to his rebelliousness -- and that puts them right back where they were from 1964-1989.

[ChrisIII]

It's interesting that the Doctor seems to care a lot about Gallifrey in the new series as oppossed to his attitude in the classic series, where he was often annoyed or oppossed to the time lords. Maybe it's a case of don't know what you've got 'till it's gone, or maybe the Doctor made peace with Gallifrey at some point.

[Sanagi]

The problem with Gallifrey is the Time Lords are supposed to be incredibly advanced, but they have to look like idiots next to the Doctor because that's the way the stories always go. And then you can't stop wondering how that bunch of dopes ever managed to invent time travel and black holes.

[king mob]

I love Paul Kaye, but I'm not sure my brain could cope with Mike Strutter in the Tardis.

Kaye's a good shout & if I thought it was true then I'd be chuffed.

The series 4 cinema trailer is on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33XBnt_KZs&feature=related). It got a fairly muted response the other night when it was shown before There Will Be Blood at the cinema I was in.

[king mob]

You know, I really don't get this dislike for Catherine Tate/Donna Noble. I watched "The Runaway Bride" and sure, there were a few times she went over the top but I thought that was just a little wink to the Christmas Pantomime tradition. Otherwise I rather had a ball watching her be one of the most ordinary of ordinary people getting swept in the Doctor's insane wake. At least she's probably got enough brains not to fall for the villains' lines and betray the Doctor unlike SOME companions *cough*Adric*cough*. Alright, so she's no Romana... but who is?




Catherine Tate is hideously over-exposed, not to mention the fact that she's battered the sketch show format to death (though she was ok in the second series of Big Train) with her comedy programmes over the last few years. She's a reasonable actress outside of her comedy work but her bloody annoying mugging in Runaway Bride and the series 4 trailers makes me depressed.

Panto is fine, and there's a grand tradition of panto being part of Who, but if Tate says 'I'm not bovvered' at any point in series 4 then I'm going throw RTD over the Severn Bridge.

[ZT4]

Panto is fine, and there's a grand tradition of panto being part of Who, but if Tate says 'I'm not bovvered' at any point in series 4 then I'm going throw RTD over the Severn Bridge.

Oh, so THAT's who's in the car going into the river in the trailer...

[Stressfactor]

See, this is where being an American without cable actually comes in handy (hey, with our government we've got to have something). You ask the average joe on the street what they think if Catherine Tate and they're going to say "Who?"

Having not had the "overexposure" we can kind of look at her with fresh eyes.

[ZT4]

I thought she was a fairly competant actress in the 2006 special myself, and I HATE her comedy characters

[mattx110]

I thought she was a fairly competant actress in the 2006 special myself, and I HATE her comedy characters
Yup, I didn't understand how anyone hated her, until they started showing the Catherine Tate show, and I understood.

[Stressfactor]

Not to stray from the subject of Catherine Tate but... Okay, so I'm straying from the subject of Catherine Tate...

I picked up the first issue of IDW's new "Doctor Who" comic book last week. Written by Gary Russell and featuring the 10th Doctor and Martha and Russell does an admirable job of using the first two pages to do a quick set-up of the basic premise behind the Doctor but it ended up bringing something to my attention: to wit -- the Police Box.

Keep in mind, I'm not British and have never been to British Isles but it was my understanding that the police boxes such as the TARDIS is styled after began to be phased out in the late 1960's/early 1970's? And that today, they basically no longer exist. Now, knowing from my "The Beginning" DVD box set, that the idea behind making the TARDIS a police box was to create a contrast between something ordinary and something extraordinary. That being said, now that police boxes are a thing of the past and there are generations growing up that have never seen one, has the traditional shape of the TARDIS outlived its usefulness? Considering that the exterior is now as extraordinary as the interior?

[adamthered]

Not to stray from the subject of Catherine Tate but... Okay, so I'm straying from the subject of Catherine Tate...

I picked up the first issue of IDW's new "Doctor Who" comic book last week. Written by Gary Russell and featuring the 10th Doctor and Martha and Russell does an admirable job of using the first two pages to do a quick set-up of the basic premise behind the Doctor but it ended up bringing something to my attention: to wit -- the Police Box.

Keep in mind, I'm not British and have never been to British Isles but it was my understanding that the police boxes such as the TARDIS is styled after began to be phased out in the late 1960's/early 1970's? And that today, they basically no longer exist. Now, knowing from my "The Beginning" DVD box set, that the idea behind making the TARDIS a police box was to create a contrast between something ordinary and something extraordinary. That being said, now that police boxes are a thing of the past and there are generations growing up that have never seen one, has the traditional shape of the TARDIS outlived its usefulness? Considering that the exterior is now as extraordinary as the interior?

I say no. What would you rather have... Police box or Starbuck's? :D

[Matt]

The Police Box is a key element of the show, it'd be tragic to lose it.

Though in the early days of the 3rd Doctor they were throwing around the idea of just having a console - they'd lose the rest of the TARDIS entirely for some reason. I'm damn glad they never went with it!

[Spike-X]

The Police Box is a key element of the show, it'd be tragic to lose it.


It'd be like...I dunno, changing Superman's costume and powers, or something!

[Sanagi]

The blue box is iconic, and it just looks so good onscreen. That said, I love the rare occasions when the chameleon circuit gets put to use. I hope someday we get a new incarnation of the Master with his own TARDIS so we can see more of that. I always found that to be a cool element of the character, that he could duck into something random like a grandfather clock and disappear.

[ChrisIII]

Yeah, that's one of the things we never found out in the Master trilogy-just where is the Master's TARDIS? He stole the Doctor's.


Granted, we haven't seen him use his ship since TRIAL OF A TIME LORD, but if he didn't have it how did he get from Gallifrey to the planet in the far future?

[mattx110]

Yeah, that's one of the things we never found out in the Master trilogy-just where is the Master's TARDIS? He stole the Doctor's.


Granted, we haven't seen him use his ship since TRIAL OF A TIME LORD, but if he didn't have it how did he get from Gallifrey to the planet in the far future?
When cannibals with scary teeth start showing up in 13th century Ireland, we'll know where he left his TARDIS

[Alan Lynch]

I might have this all wrong, but don't the BBC now own the image rights for those old blue police boxes?

[Cyke]

Not to stray from the subject of Catherine Tate but... Okay, so I'm straying from the subject of Catherine Tate...

I picked up the first issue of IDW's new "Doctor Who" comic book last week. Written by Gary Russell and featuring the 10th Doctor and Martha and Russell does an admirable job of using the first two pages to do a quick set-up of the basic premise behind the Doctor but it ended up bringing something to my attention: to wit -- the Police Box.

Keep in mind, I'm not British and have never been to British Isles but it was my understanding that the police boxes such as the TARDIS is styled after began to be phased out in the late 1960's/early 1970's? And that today, they basically no longer exist. Now, knowing from my "The Beginning" DVD box set, that the idea behind making the TARDIS a police box was to create a contrast between something ordinary and something extraordinary. That being said, now that police boxes are a thing of the past and there are generations growing up that have never seen one, has the traditional shape of the TARDIS outlived its usefulness? Considering that the exterior is now as extraordinary as the interior?

That's one of the nice things about the shape that is sometimes brought up in the show: the Police Box went from inconspicuous to anachronistic, and it still gets ignored. Humans and their amazing ability to deceive themselves and all :)

There's an image of the Time War that I'd so love to see. We know that the Doctor fought in the war, so much so that he was a very significant figure. I'd *love* to see an image of a giant, frightening, formidable fleet of Time Lord ships lead into battle by the itty-bitty TARDIS.

[ChrisIII]

^The Doctor Who comics and novels have the concept of War TARDISes.

It'd be cool to see one, given that we know RTD is a big fan of the comics and novels in addition to the TV series.

[Cyke]

^The Doctor Who comics and novels have the concept of War TARDISes.

It'd be cool to see one, given that we know RTD is a big fan of the comics and novels in addition to the TV series.

I'm aware of that, but the image that I was talking about would be something of like, immense and terrifying warships all lead by a mere phone box. We've already seen the TARDIS compared to Time Lord vessels anyway on the show, but to see the box surrounded by Star Destroyer-length vessels and incoming fire and explosions and the like would just be spectacular.

[ChrisIII]

Any thoughts on the recent USA DVD releases, Planet of Evil and Destiny of the Daleks?

[ZT4]

Destiny of the Daleks is criminally underrated, it does have the infamous "why wont you try climbing after us" line, Daleks lessened in menace, and Rommana's "regeneration shopping", but otherwise the production and direction helps elevate the script problems

[IamtheRock3]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080305d.php


Sense it concen them both, didnt know where to put this.

Question. The actor they say replacing Dr who, is that the guy from 28 weeks later

Also doubt that part is true cause Tennant still got 3 speacil they said, and dont think they would pick an replacment that quick cause 3 speacials can span a lot of real time

So you think any of these rumors true

[ZT4]

Five episodes for TW? Somehow, I think that is the exaggeration of "wishful thinking" (I like TW of course, but it's got it's detractors), but if the episodes were five serials, with two parts to each, it'd make sense.

Most knew Tennant was on his way out when the specials were announced, but conflicting reports have constantly changed the name of his successor from James Nesbit, to Dennis Pennis. Heck I wasnt sold on Tennant's casting until The Ninth regenerated.

[Armless Penguin]

Oh, dear. I hope not. This is kind of a downer. I wouldn't be too surprised at Tennant leaving, though I certainly am hoping against it, but I can't say I'd be too enthused about Robert Carlyle. And the Torchwood report just seems incredibly off-the-wall.

Hmm. I'm a bit skeptical, but I've been wrong before.

[Captain Jim]

I hadn't checked SciFi's website for awhile, so decided to just now. I knew the fourth season was to begin sometime in April, but I hadn't seen the particulars. They specifically say that the Sarah Jane show is to begin on Friday, April 11. Checking the schedule for that day sees it first airing at 7:30. No Doctor Who that night, though.

So I checked the following week, Friday, April 18, and found Sarah Jane at 8:00 (presumably the normal time) and Doctor Who (specified fourth season) at 8:30. Though the episode isn't named, based on the 90 minutes allotted (and previous practice), I'm guessing this is the 2007 Christmas Special, Voyage of the Damned.

The following week (Friday, April 25), Doctor Who begins in its normal 60 minute timespot at 9 p.m. (again specified as season four). According to my calculations, this should also be six days after BBC America airs the final episode of Torchwood Season Two--which is excellent timing. :D

[IamtheRock3]

isnt torchwood doing rather well in the UK

know it doing good here on BBC america. Got record raiting for the channel

Granted record raiting for that channel is more then 5 people watching...but still

[ChrisIII]

Carlyle has denied that he's up for the role of the Doctor, although he has said he'd be interested.

While he's mainly played villains in his career, that's how Tom Baker and Eccleston got started, I think...


I think at this point, it looks like Tennant will at least do the specials, but a fifth season is anybody's guess.


Also in the news is that Eidos is developing a WHO game for the PC and PS2 (Yes, just the PS2, not the next-gen). WHO hasn't had much of a video game history, so who knows what will happen.

[Stressfactor]

Also in the news is that Eidos is developing a WHO game for the PC and PS2 (Yes, just the PS2, not the next-gen). WHO hasn't had much of a video game history, so who knows what will happen.

That might be a bit weird. Most video games have a certain "shoot-em-up" or
"beat-em-up" based story. Even when they're not based on blood-n-guts there's usually a basis of blasting the robots or disintegrating the invading alien ships and... well... that's just not the Doctor*. Besides, I don't think we've ever really even SEEN offensive weaponry from the TARDIS.

If they did a game it would probably have to be something kind of maze-like or quest based I'm guessing. And you know, how cool would it be to have unlockable multiple Doctors where you could play as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. Or be able to create your own Doctor?

*Not to say that the Doctor does not do his fair share of killing or even occasionally shooting other creatures BUT it's not his USUAL schtick.

[Alan Lynch]

I think it's worth looking at the formats and developer here - Eidos are fucked, to put it bluntly. They're looking at closing a few of their studios to save money, and other than Tomb Raider none of their games have performed all that well lately. So a PC & PS2 release says to me that it'll be a rush job, probably timed for release around Christmas. And it'll invariably be dogrel.

[ChrisIII]

The official site has been updated with a few wallpapers of the Doctor and Donna. Looks like she's wearing a similar outfit to the Doctor's.

[Matt]

Also in the news is that Eidos is developing a WHO game for the PC and PS2 (Yes, just the PS2, not the next-gen). WHO hasn't had much of a video game history, so who knows what will happen.

The last Who game was 'revenge of the master' or something similar. It was, bluntly, shockingly bad. You have no idea how bad, truly. It was barely a game, much more like a quiz.

The only type of game I could see working for Who would be a mix of 'simon the sorceror' puzzle or tomb raider 'run around and avoid/mess with sonic screw driver' thing.

[ChrisIII]

^Destiny of the Doctor, I believe it was called. It came out in '97, kind of had Doom-style graphics and feature FMV of Anthony Ainley as the Master wearing an outfit similar to Robert's Time Lordesque outfit. The Ainley clips I believe are on the Survival DVD. I also believe it's his final performance of the character before his death.


Fans of course have made their own Doctor Who mods for several games.

[Matt]

Having unlockable Doctors in a game could be problematic due to their vastly different personalities and even abilities.

For example, the 1st and 7th Doctors were not really famed for running around like the 4th or 10th Doctors. Though if you did get to play the 7th Doctor ... well, wouldn't really be much fun. You'd start the game and he'd appear and say "I already planned for this three months ago and installed the winning button just here. I win before we even start."

[ragnarok_2012]

Having unlockable Doctors in a game could be problematic due to their vastly different personalities and even abilities.

For example, the 1st and 7th Doctors were not really famed for running around like the 4th or 10th Doctors. Though if you did get to play the 7th Doctor ... well, wouldn't really be much fun. You'd start the game and he'd appear and say "I already planned for this three months ago and installed the winning button just here. I win before we even start."

The Tenth Doctor would just try to lick everything.

[ZT4]

^Destiny of the Doctor, I believe it was called. It came out in '97, kind of had Doom-style graphics and feature FMV of Anthony Ainley as the Master wearing an outfit similar to Robert's Time Lordesque outfit. The Ainley clips I believe are on the Survival DVD. I also believe it's his final performance of the character before his death.

Given what they did with the Third Doctor's cameo in "Zagreus" coming from a fan film Pertwee was working on, I hope they use Ainley's performance from that game for a Big Finish adventure

And you're correct. BF tried to get Ainley for years, but never could

[Stressfactor]

What about a "Doctor Who" video game with K-9 as an unlockable companion? That would be cool. Plus, he could come with a blaster :D

[Matt]

Given what they did with the Third Doctor's cameo in "Zagreus" coming from a fan film Pertwee was working on, I hope they use Ainley's performance from that game for a Big Finish adventure

And you're correct. BF tried to get Ainley for years, but never could

Zagreus.
Wow. That was one bad audio play.

[ragnarok_2012]

Zagreus.
Wow. That was one bad audio play.

What are some audio plays that you liked? I have yet to listen to any.

[Matt]

Hm.
Off the top of my head...

Live 34
The Chimes of Midnight
Colditz

[ragnarok_2012]

Hm.
Off the top of my head...

Live 34
The Chimes of Midnight
Colditz

Much obliged.

I'm kinda surprised I haven't listened to any Doctor Who audio play yet.

[ZT4]

Zagreus.

Do you have to be specific about spelling even with crap on a stick?:p

[Matt]

I didn't correct the spelling, he had it right the first time.

[ChrisIII]

The Audio dramas are pretty good-they really redeem the 80's Doctors (Davison, C.Baker and McCoy)-especially Colin. To add to Matt's list:


Spare Parts-Fifth Doctor story where he ends up on Mondas just prior to the Cybermen's takeover. Similar in some ways to Rise of The Cybermen, but a great story in it's own right.

Dalek Empire-A series featuring the Daleks.


Doctor Who and The Pirates-An unusual one, a Doctor Who musical story. But lots of fun.

Jubilee-Part of the inspiration for "Dalek".

[Stressfactor]

Speaking of the audios.... Has anyone ever bought anything from the online Doctor Who Store? (http://www.doctorwhostore.com/)

I noticed that they have a lot of the audios available and their prices and shipping seem pretty good but I was wondering if anyone has dealt with them and if they had good experiences.

[Captain Jim]

Speaking of the audios.... Has anyone ever bought anything from the online Doctor Who Store? (http://www.doctorwhostore.com/)

I noticed that they have a lot of the audios available and their prices and shipping seem pretty good but I was wondering if anyone has dealt with them and if they had good experiences.

I'm not familiar with them, and when I try to go to their site, all I get is error codes.

However, I have had very good experience with Who North America (www.whona.com/) and would heartily recommend them.

[Matt]

Doctor Who and The Pirates-An unusual one, a Doctor Who musical story. But lots of fun.

Parts of that are hilarious. Of note is Colin Baker singing "I am the very model of a Gallifreyan Buccaneer."

[Stressfactor]

I'm not familiar with them, and when I try to go to their site, all I get is error codes.

However, I have had very good experience with Who North America (www.whona.com/) and would heartily recommend them.

WhoStore link seems to be working now. *Shrugs* Gremlins in the wires....

Anyway, thanks for the link and recommend. You can't have too many "Who" resources from this side of the pond. International shipping'll KILL YA!

[ZT4]

Spare Parts-Fifth Doctor story where he ends up on Mondas just prior to the Cybermen's takeover. Similar in some ways to Rise of The Cybermen, but a great story in it's own right.

More liek "Rise of" was similar to Spare Parts. They used the audio as a template.

And it's of course from Marc Platt, writer of "Ghost Light", and "Lungbarrow", two very definitive Who storylines

[Green Goblin]

Speaking of Destiny of the Doctors did anybody ever finish it , I got stuck on 6th doctor chllagne the one to with the ice warriors. Also it says on the back of the box that sea devils were in it, but I never saw them and I been through ever quest on it just to see them

[king mob]

Not to stray from the subject of Catherine Tate but... Okay, so I'm straying from the subject of Catherine Tate...

I picked up the first issue of IDW's new "Doctor Who" comic book last week. Written by Gary Russell and featuring the 10th Doctor and Martha and Russell does an admirable job of using the first two pages to do a quick set-up of the basic premise behind the Doctor but it ended up bringing something to my attention: to wit -- the Police Box.

Keep in mind, I'm not British and have never been to British Isles but it was my understanding that the police boxes such as the TARDIS is styled after began to be phased out in the late 1960's/early 1970's? And that today, they basically no longer exist. Now, knowing from my "The Beginning" DVD box set, that the idea behind making the TARDIS a police box was to create a contrast between something ordinary and something extraordinary. That being said, now that police boxes are a thing of the past and there are generations growing up that have never seen one, has the traditional shape of the TARDIS outlived its usefulness? Considering that the exterior is now as extraordinary as the interior?


There's still a few old police boxes in the UK that they keep as tourist attractions. There's one in Glasgow for example.

http://www.whisperingwalls.net/photos/polisbox.jpg

[king mob]

Carlyle has denied that he's up for the role of the Doctor, although he has said he'd be interested.

While he's mainly played villains in his career, that's how Tom Baker and Eccleston got started, I think...
Bobby Carlyle would be immense in the part but I can't see him spending three years in the role at the expense of his film and theatre work. i'd love to happen as he's a tremendous actor.

Eccleston started out as a strong character actor and has never been typecast, unlike Tom Baker who has struggled over the years to escape being Doctor Who. It wasn't until Little Britain that he really did and that was only to a younger generation.

[king mob]

The Five Doctors special edition DVD is an utter delight. Lots of fantastic archive footage (my favourite is Davison and Troughton flirting with Selena Scott on breafast telly from 1983) and a very well done documentary about the making of the programme. It's one of the best discs that they've done.

[ChrisIII]

I wonder if it'll get an American release. So far the last two WHO double-dips-Key To Time and Rememberance Of The Daleks-have been delayed.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally some photos have surfaced from season four, which show the (Spoilers) Judoon have leaked. And it's them and not the Sontarans. So perhaps we'll see an explanation as to their resemblance if any.


BTW picked up the WHO comic from IDW. Although it's written by Gary Russel, the story and art seemed kind of rushed and cartoony. The story is basically the Doctor and Martha vs. a lone Sycorax.

[Stressfactor]

BTW picked up the WHO comic from IDW. Although it's written by Gary Russel, the story and art seemed kind of rushed and cartoony. The story is basically the Doctor and Martha vs. a lone Sycorax.

The script seemed to be shooting for "All Ages", which isn't NECESSARILY a bad thing but the art, indeed, was sloppy. I can deal with cartoony -- a lot or popular artists have a cartoony style but both the Doctor and Martha kept going... "off model" especially towards the end.

[ChrisIII]

Yeah, the "All ages" thing seems to have affected the novel line as well. While it's not a problem for the TV show-which has managed some mature stuff as well while still aiming for a family audience-the novels and comics seem to have been dumbed down lately.

[ZT4]

Yeah, I seem to recall the Eccelston strips being superior, especially since they were written by Russel and Sherman.

[ChrisIII]

Hopefully at some point they'll revive the classic WHO novel line. Oh well, there's still the audio dramas.

[Stressfactor]

Yeah, but the audio dramas only give us the four surviving Doctors who are willing to be involved with them.

Tom Baker, having shed himself of the scarf at long last has no desire to dive back in... But oh that he would... With Louise Jameson, Lalla Ward, Mary Tamm, John Leeson and Elisabeth Sladen all having been involved with various audios there would be a nice selection of companions to go around and there are plenty of gaps in the Fourth Doctor's adventures where new stories could be slotted in.

And sadly, Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee are dead so no stuff from them is possible.

*sigh*:(


And I'm still holding out hope that IDW's Doctor Who stuff will get better. If nothing else there is going to be a story arc written by someone else with art by Pia Guerra after Gary Russell's first run is over... and Guerra's art rocks -- she is a true pro and you definitely won't see any rushed looking stuff from her.

[Alan Lynch]

There's still a few old police boxes in the UK that they keep as tourist attractions. There's one in Glasgow for example.

http://www.whisperingwalls.net/photos/polisbox.jpg
If that's the one I'm thinking of then it's still there, but since been changed into a coffee vendors. still a blue box, but with a logo on it and a wee window where you get served. I don't think it is that one though, since those trees aren't on Buchanan Street.

[ZT4]

And sadly, Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee are dead so no stuff from them is possible.

Except for the "companion chronicles" BFs that generally are just an excuse to try that sort of thing by having classic companions from thier eras talk about what they were doing.

[ChrisIII]

They could have people impersonate them-there's that DEAD RINGERS guy who does an excellent Tom Baker-but that would be kind of disrespectful (Although it did work once with Hartnell).

[Matt]

His 'christmas with dr who' sketch was well done all around.

[ChrisIII]

There's an interview with RTD in SFX-apparentally the hiatus is so the show can go on longer, there won't be any romance between the Doctor and Donna, and UNIT is now UNified Intelligence Taskforce, and we'll finally see a more classic interpetation of them. While UNIT has been in the new series, we haven't really seen them doing what they do best-stopping alien invasions with military power.

[Plym]

If that's the one I'm thinking of then it's still there, but since been changed into a coffee vendors. still a blue box, but with a logo on it and a wee window where you get served. I don't think it is that one though, since those trees aren't on Buchanan Street. That is the Glasgow one, but it is a VERY old picture.
The trees have gone now.

[Stressfactor]

While UNIT has been in the new series, we haven't really seen them doing what they do best-stopping alien invasions with military power.

Brigadier: I want light and heavy machine guns... oh, and Yates? Shove a couple of anti-tank guns in the boot would you?

Yates: You got tanks there sir?

Brigadier: You never know, Captain. You never know.

("The Time Monster")

Yeah, UNIT always was fond of things that went BOOM!

[Alan Lynch]

That is the Glasgow one, but it is a VERY old picture.
The trees have gone now.
I thought so; the paving looks familiar. So yeah, it sells coffee now.

Seriously. Paving? How lame am I?

[mattx110]

I thought so; the paving looks familiar. So yeah, it sells coffee now.

Seriously. Paving? How lame am I?
When I get there, I am definitely buying tea and a muffin from that thing.


All of England knows me for buying tea and a muffin. Even when the muffins are dry.

[Matt]

Brigadier: I want light and heavy machine guns... oh, and Yates? Shove a couple of anti-tank guns in the boot would you?

Yates: You got tanks there sir?

Brigadier: You never know, Captain. You never know.

("The Time Monster")

Yeah, UNIT always was fond of things that went BOOM!

I'm waiting for the day when UNIT get sick and tired of Torchwood's gross incompetence and simply blow the crap out of their idiotic base.

[ZT4]

First victim please be the useless pteradactyl

Brig: Benton? Chap with wings there, five rounds rapid

[LordEd1976]

Yeah, UNIT always was fond of things that went BOOM!

To quote the 4th Doctor: "Was that bang big enough for you, Brigadier?"

[ChrisIII]

Unfortunately, the "Unit family" will probably not be making an appearence, although it would be a pleasent surprise if Lethbride-stewart showed up. But from all indications we've got another new Brigadiar (Not Bambera, either).

[Mac Danny]

I'm waiting for the day when UNIT get sick and tired of Torchwood's gross incompetence and simply blow the crap out of their idiotic base.

Exactly. Old Torchwood seemed more organized and threatening. These guys seem like a startup company working out of someone's basement.

UNIT should be running them.

[Alan Lynch]

When I get there, I am definitely buying tea and a muffin from that thing.


All of England knows me for buying tea and a muffin. Even when the muffins are dry.
Ha! Yeah, there's a strange thrill about buying stuff from a man in a blue phonebox. And I don't even like coffee.
Exactly. Old Torchwood seemed more organized and threatening. These guys seem like a startup company working out of someone's basement.

UNIT should be running them.
Torchwood technically are a startup after Canary Wharf though, aren't they? I was under the impression everything was run out of London prior to that. But yeah, UNIT should be all over them by now.

[Stressfactor]

First victim please be the useless pteradactyl

Brig: Benton? Chap with wings there, five rounds rapid

WIN! :D


And yeah, regretably, considering Nicolas Courtney's age it doesn't seem logical for him to be showing up as the Brigadier.... That being said, though, I would not be at all upset to see him called in as a "consultant" in some emergency though. As I said to one of my friends: 'I can't see Courtney running around at his age but I CAN see him sitting behind a desk or standing around barking orders at people.'

[Plym]

When I get there, I am definitely buying tea and a muffin from that thing.

All of England knows me for buying tea and a muffin. Even when the muffins are dry. You're more likely to get Irn-Bru and a battered Mars Bar.

[Cyke]

In my own personal continuity, it was a squad of UNIT tanks that took down the Racnoss Queen.

[king mob]

When I get there, I am definitely buying tea and a muffin from that thing.


All of England knows me for buying tea and a muffin. Even when the muffins are dry.

I really wouldn't go there and say you're in England unless you enjoy the locals ripping the piss & pointing at you.

[Hellboy Animated 101]

hey guys! i take it the new DW comic isn't all that great.

soo...looks like Rose Tyler really is coming back late this season, as i saw her in the bootleged cinema trailer (i almost choked on my jelly babies when i saw that. Just kidding about the jelly babies bit; i'm not from Britian...but i almost died of shock when i saw her in the trailer. Seriously, it was like seeing a friggn ghost). Here's my questions regarding this event:

1. The obvious: How the BLODDY HELL did she get out of that alternate Earth? If that's true, then where's Jackie, Pete, and Mickey?
2. If not, as in that hologram thing from the end of Season 2's finalie, how did she do that?
3. How big of a role is she playing in the events to come?
and,
4. How will The Doctor take this really shocking return?

your guesses are as good as mine, but i'd like to hear some theories about this? anyone have any ideas?

See you in April in the US for the Big Premiere!

[mattx110]

I really wouldn't go there and say you're in England unless you enjoy the locals ripping the piss & pointing at you.
Well, I meant that that was my MO in England. Never been to Scotland so far. Almost went. But I will! I have a friend there, sort of.

[metalhead_dave743]

I can't decide
Whether you should live or die
Oh, you'll prob'ly go to heaven
Please don't hang your head and cry
No wonder why
My heart feels dead inside
It's cold and hard and petrified
Lock the doors and close the blinds
We're going for a ride

[ZT4]

hey guys! i take it the new DW comic isn't all that great.

soo...looks like Rose Tyler really is coming back late this season, as i saw her in the bootleged cinema trailer (i almost choked on my jelly babies when i saw that. Just kidding about the jelly babies bit; i'm not from Britian...but i almost died of shock when i saw her in the trailer. Seriously, it was like seeing a friggn ghost). Here's my questions regarding this event:

The obvious: How the BLODDY HELL did she get out of that alternate Earth? If that's true, then where's Jackie, Pete, and Mickey?

1. The rift between dimensions will probably be cracked open by Dalek Caan, fans have speculated that Davros is dead in our reality, but there could be an alternate version of him in Rose's world who can rebuild The Dalek empire. As for Mikey, Jackie, and Pete? Photos have leaked out which establish they return.

4. How will The Doctor take this really shocking return?

Whilst most fans will groan to the heavens that those pesky Doctor/Rose 'shippers are infesting message boards again, The Doctor will probably react the way there expecting or the way they will overexaggerate just to post "ooh, he lovez herz"

...God I hate those fans...

[Stressfactor]

hey guys! i take it the new DW comic isn't all that great.

Eh, the comic isn't horrible (I've read many that were worse) it just skews really young. If you know of a pre-teen who is a Doctor Who fan this would be right up their alley.

The last issue, though, was a triffle hard to follow -- the plot was all over the map! One tiny thing that made me smile, however, was what appeared to be a tribute to the Third Doctor. Since this issue was set in the 1970's they did have one panel where the Doctor was wearing a jacket and ruffled shirt reminiscent of the stuff Pertwee used to wear.

Unless something is so awful I'm tempted to throw it across the room I usually give any new comic series three issues to win me over. So far this one really isn't winning me over. I'd give it to my nephew, though, if only he were a DW fan.

As for Rose... Eh, we all know Pillie Piper isn't staying anyway so I doubt they will do anything that will have lasting ramifications. But for those who are 'shippers' yes, I can hear the squeals starting already.

[mattx110]

I don't think anything can piss off the current Doctor more than Rose finding her way back through the interdimension rift again.

[Captain Jim]

Who's to say this couldn't be Rose from an earlier point in time?

[mattx110]

Who's to say this couldn't be Rose from an earlier point in time?
Because they never do stuff like that. Plus, too many continuity issues to make it worth it.

But having a character grow up over the course of a series and then bring in a version of her from before? Maybe if Eccleston would do the show they'd try it, but it just seems silly to me. There's all sorts of time paradoxy things that they establish can happen, but the timeline of Dr. Who seems to have it's own way of sorting events in the correct order in terms of the story.

[ZT4]

The Doctor claims someone cant be taken out of a specific time there meant to be in, as there a fact, they matter to what's unfolding.

[Hellboy Animated 101]

I don't think anything can piss off the current Doctor more than Rose finding her way back through the inter-dimension rift again.

uuuhhh...HOW could it piss him off? it's not like with Cap. Jack where he's now immortal. THAT i can understand. But the Doctor LOVES Rose, why would he be pissed at her return? He Should be OVERJOYED!

[ZT4]

The Doctor doesnt love Rose. Loves things about her? Yeah, but definatly not the kind of love the dense 'shippers make it out to be.

She renewed his faith in the "stupid apes" after losing his people, you'd love anyone who manages to have that affect.

Now Sarah Jane on the other hand...

[Captain Jim]

The Doctor doesnt love Rose.

Then he sure put on a good act in her final episode. Not to mention the way he obsessed about her the entire next season (ask Martha Jones).

[Captain Jim]

Because they never do stuff like that. Plus, too many continuity issues to make it worth it.

But having a character grow up over the course of a series and then bring in a version of her from before? Maybe if Eccleston would do the show they'd try it, but it just seems silly to me. There's all sorts of time paradoxy things that they establish can happen, but the timeline of Dr. Who seems to have it's own way of sorting events in the correct order in terms of the story.

Seems to me it would be easier to do this than to discount everything said about the permanence of the parallel dimension. Certainly it would cause all sorts of problems if they were bringing her back for a long-term stay, but I was under the impression that this was for a single appearance.

I dunno, I'm open-minded about this, but if they bring her back from the parallel dimension for one story and then just send her back again, it had better be one hell of a story or it's going to have a hard time being anticlimactic when put up against the story that parted them.

[ChrisIII]

Didn't they say something in Doomsday that all the universe-jumping was seriously damaging the other Earth? Not sure.

Rose's reappearence might have something to do with the Daleks (and Cybermen?) being freed from the void, perhaps. Maybe Rose acts as a sort of 'sphere' that breaks down the void or something, allowing Caan to free the other Daleks. Just a theory.

The whole Davros/Dalek thing might however just be a red herring, however. Has anybody actually spotted any Dalek props at all during the filming of the finale?

[Stressfactor]

I dunno -- bringing her back and then letting her go could finally put paid to all of that as well. There has been a lot of ideas about the Doctor "Finding a way to get Rose back" and then they can "live happily ever after" type of a deal but if the Doctor meets up with a Rose who has moved on with her life -- who doesn't want to go zooming around in the TARDIS anymore -- then the Doctor can quit pining about her and move on with his own life.

And don't get me wrong -- I like a lot of aspects of the new series and I'm NOT saying that the Doctor shouldn't have relationships BUT the fact that Rose was in her later teens/early 20's and the Doctor is over 900 years old (and really over 1000 if he'd stop lying about his age) and the thought of that is just a little dirty-old-man skeevy. The Doctor himself told Rose he was a dad once and we know he was a grandfather as well. I just can't get past that.

Now Romana.....

[Deathstroke]

I dunno -- bringing her back and then letting her go could finally put paid to all of that as well. There has been a lot of ideas about the Doctor "Finding a way to get Rose back" and then they can "live happily ever after" type of a deal but if the Doctor meets up with a Rose who has moved on with her life -- who doesn't want to go zooming around in the TARDIS anymore -- then the Doctor can quit pining about her and move on with his own life.

And don't get me wrong -- I like a lot of aspects of the new series and I'm NOT saying that the Doctor shouldn't have relationships BUT the fact that Rose was in her later teens/early 20's and the Doctor is over 900 years old (and really over 1000 if he'd stop lying about his age) and the thought of that is just a little dirty-old-man skeevy. The Doctor himself told Rose he was a dad once and we know he was a grandfather as well. I just can't get past that.

Now Romana.....

I don't really think that way. I know he's very old by Human standards but I don't get the dirty old man vibe of him being in love or whatever you want to call it with Rose.

Plus 900 is the new 40, didn't you know?

I had a great idea for a story that would reunite the Doctor and Rose but I don't have all the particular references I needed. I PM'd someone on here that I thought would know, but never got a reply. And then Human Nature aired and while not directly co-opting my idea, it did do enough to make it so that my idea would seem like it was rehashing it a bit.

[Green Goblin]

Can I asked what film the new dr who trailer is attach to

[king mob]

Can I asked what film the new dr who trailer is attach to

It's just shown as part of the BBC's cinema trailers they show before most films; so it was on with a trailer for Chris Moyle's (urgh) radio programme last time I saw it.

[Cyke]

Pfft, Rose is legal and can hold her own with the Doctor. She's perfectly in-bounds.

[mattx110]

uuuhhh...HOW could it piss him off? it's not like with Cap. Jack where he's now immortal. THAT i can understand. But the Doctor LOVES Rose, why would he be pissed at her return? He Should be OVERJOYED!
He doesn't like being manipulated, and someone continually showing up that he's accepted he'd never see again at least twice in a way that could threaten the entire universe seems like the kind of thing that would anger him.

He doesn't like getting attached, and if he'd have to close her off in another dimension again he'd probably go on a binge-drinking TARDIS adventure to all the pubs in the known universe.

Just an idea.

But I do have a feeling we'll be hearing a lot of "but it can't be" in the next series.
edit: wanted to add, the anger comes from the chance that Rose being back is an illusion or trick by some dalek, not from her being back, though he might take it out on her, cause he does that sometimes.

But well, it depends on the writers mood that day really.

[Stressfactor]

Not being snarky but I honestly wonder if so many people would still find the Doctor/Rose relationship so appealing if the Doctor didn't look like cutie David Tennant but instead looked more like William Hartnell.

[mattx110]

Not being snarky but I honestly wonder if so many people would still find the Doctor/Rose relationship so appealing if the Doctor didn't look like cutie David Tennant but instead looked more like William Hartnell.
Geeky history fanatic gets babe, I don't see how that has any relevance or allegorical value when applied to my personal experiences and see no wish fulfillment evidenced in this at all.

No further questions.

[Cyke]

Not being snarky but I honestly wonder if so many people would still find the Doctor/Rose relationship so appealing if the Doctor didn't look like cutie David Tennant but instead looked more like William Hartnell.

You'd probably find a lot more people being tolerant of such a thing these days b/c of the sheer number of May-December romances in fiction now. I'm not saying a majority of people would approve a Hartnell/Rose relationship, but certainly more people would approve than they did in the 60s, or even 10 years ago.

Heck, Patrick Stewart is still getting some youngins, and he's currently twenty years older than Hartnell's incarnation. Sean Connery was the same before he retired.

[Matt]

IIRC, Hartnell almost got some back in 'The Aztecs'.

[Stressfactor]

Yeah, but Cameca was a mature woman.

I'm just sayin' -- yeah, there's a lot of May-December in media but some of it is more than a little ridiculous and MOST of it, you will note, involves an older man with a younger woman... not vice versa.

Eh. Like I said, Piper isn't staying. I just hope that the writers don't use it as an excuse for morose, mopey Doctor through the three specials that are all anybody is going to get in 2009.

And I'm still looking forward to Donna being a PitA for season four. I think the series could use a companion who is a little prickly. I think it would be nice, in the future, to see some more different companions. For example, I think someone who is actually smarter than the Doctor but with a lot of innocence or no social skills would be fun. An alien might be nice too -- it's been a long time since TV Doctor had an alien for a companion. I'd like to see them do a rather non-human looking alien for it as well. Something like what they did with the actresses on "Farscape".

[Cyke]

MOST of it, you will note, involves an older man with a younger woman... not vice versa.


What does that have to do with the Doctor and Rose? Nothing was ever said about an older woman/younger male at all up to this point in the thread.

[Stressfactor]

Its just that they're playing to stereotype and not necessarily trying to break any new ground. And that, while something like the Doctor/Rose relationship gets a pass IF it was SOMEHOW the other way around you would probably see it not as accepted.

Possible exception being Lis Sladen who is almost universally beloved for her role as Sarah Jane and, yes, does look very good for her age.

But really, what if it was David Tennant snogging Dame Judi Dench? What if Sarah Jane hooked up with Maria's dishy young dad in the SJA? Would that really be as accepted and acceptible?

.....OR am I just being cranky because the youth culture is taking over? Someone recently told me I shouldn't like a certain band just because I'm in my 30's and I should be "too old" for that sort of music.

[Cyke]

.....OR am I just being cranky because the youth culture is taking over? Someone recently told me I shouldn't like a certain band just because I'm in my 30's and I should be "too old" for that sort of music.

I'm going to say yes :)

For example, Blanche on the Golden Girls over twenty years ago alternated between men her age and men half her age. There's also Kim Kattrall and Melinda Clarke who played forty-something yr olds that slept with teenagers.

For that matter, Jackie Tyler going after Elton Pope, though that's about the smallest age difference of the examples.

Granted, there are very few 900 year old women dating 21 year olds, but the precedent exists! Mark my words, Romana will spring on Captain Jack, and Jack's at least 140 or something.

[Stressfactor]

Mark my words, Romana will spring on Captain Jack, and Jack's at least 140 or something.

Now that.... That would be funny.

[ragnarok_2012]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/gazzafizza06/DWlols/1-4.jpg

How can you not share Doctor Who macros?

More here (http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1030788.html).

[ragnarok_2012]

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[Stressfactor]

Well, if someone is doing this, there's nothing else to do except counter with YouTube poster Babelcolour :D .... who decided to do a Doctor Who video with a musical mash-up between eminem's "Real Slim Shady" and the Benny Hill theme.

Be aware, though, this is *not* the radio edit of eminem so... yeah, cussing and non-politically correct lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW0H_rprV-g

[ragnarok_2012]

Well, if someone is doing this, there's nothing else to do except counter with YouTube poster Babelcolour :D .... who decided to do a Doctor Who video with a musical mash-up between eminem's "Real Slim Shady" and the Benny Hill theme.

Be aware, though, this is *not* the radio edit of eminem so... yeah, cussing and non-politically correct lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW0H_rprV-g

I'll see you're youtube and raise you.

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[ChrisIII]

The start date of Season four has been confirmed: April 5th.

[Alan Lynch]

Whoa, that's way sooner than I was expecting. Awesomesauce.

[ChrisIII]

It's about a week before the sci-fi premiere, if I remember correctly.


I think this new season definetly has had the most gossip surrounding it, with all the Tennant leaving rumors and also those regarding a possible returning villain.

[king mob]

I think this new season definetly has had the most gossip surrounding it, with all the Tennant leaving rumors and also those regarding a possible returning villain.

It seems certain that by 2010 Tennant & RTD will be gone, so there's a definate 'greatest hits' feel of this series in what pre-publicity we've seen so far. We're getting the Sontarans back, plus all the companions from the new series which leaves only one more old villain to return & the only thing that's seemingly debatable about that is if Dennis Hopper is really playing the part.

[Stressfactor]

It seems certain that by 2010 Tennant & RTD will be gone, so there's a definate 'greatest hits' feel of this series in what pre-publicity we've seen so far. We're getting the Sontarans back, plus all the companions from the new series which leaves only one more old villain to return & the only thing that's seemingly debatable about that is if Dennis Hopper is really playing the part.

Wait -- I'm not sure I'm familiar with this rumor. Which villain are we discussing here that Dennis Hopper might play?

If you don't want to give too much away you can just put it in spoiler-friendly inviso-text...

[ZT4]

I've seen some more finale coverage in Cardiff. There's one character that sounds like Eccelston, but certaingly doesnt look like him. That's not stopping the urban myths that it is him though.

Finale adversaries are no surprise

[Captain Jim]

It's about a week before the sci-fi premiere, if I remember correctly.


More like three weeks. Sci-fi has the first episode on April 25 (and the first US airing of Voyage of the Damned on April 18).

[mattx110]

Wait -- I'm not sure I'm familiar with this rumor. Which villain are we discussing here that Dennis Hopper might play?

If you don't want to give too much away you can just put it in spoiler-friendly inviso-text...
The doctor time-travels to the late 1960s and battles Dennis Hopper's character from "Easy Rider" in a prequel crossover involving Daleks, motorcycles, and George Wallace

[Doodle Bob]

Fake spoilers not withstanding...

Are there any rumors about whether this season will address the issue of what to do with the last humans? Since the timeline paradox in which they were turned into evil robots by the Master and sent back in time has been corrected, it would seem that they still need to be accounted for...

[ChrisIII]

Here's the possible spoiler (Highlight) It's rumored that Davros, the creator of the Daleks, will return in some way to help Dalek Caan rebuild the Daleks.

[king mob]

Fake spoilers not withstanding...

Are there any rumors about whether this season will address the issue of what to do with the last humans? Since the timeline paradox in which they were turned into evil robots by the Master and sent back in time has been corrected, it would seem that they still need to be accounted for...

There's no rumours and I'd doubt if they pop up again, mainly because Davies has tried to avoid getting the programme too stuck in it's own continuity and keep it accessable to a general audience.

[king mob]

Some spoiler filled pictures are getting online so if you don't want to know, look away now....










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[ragnarok_2012]

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I loved Arrested Development.

[ragnarok_2012]

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[ChrisIII]

Warning finale spoilers(!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5RjB9Tjbw


(Highlight to read)

Well, this confirms the Daleks. Some have noted that the man who throws the rock at the Daleks looks and sounds like Eccleston...but it doesn't quite seem like him, although there is a vocal resemblance. This scene at least seems to have a nod or two to the Dalek Invasion Of Earth.

[Stressfactor]

Comments in inviso-text as they are related to the spoiler


Lord knows I do enjoy the evil pepper pots BUT... at this stage in the game I'm starting to wonder why RTD is hanging onto the destruction of Gallifrey and the end of the Time Lords.

I mean, as my friend put it (during the first season of 'nu-Who') "The Daleks were destroyed but it was a pyrric victory since it cost Gallifrey and all the Time Lords."

Now we've seen (and are seeing) that the Daleks were not as "destroyed" as it first appeared... So where is the justice in keeping all the Time Lords dead? It sort of robs that whole "pyrric victory" vibe and instead changes it into 'useless, futile, gesture'. Least they could do is bring back the rest of the "fun" ones -- Romana, Andred (and yeah, I know the audios -- but those are not canon until the BBC says so), (yeah we've seen the Master), the Rani, the Monk... etc.

[king mob]

Paul Cornell & Steven Moffat have said that the Time War is a big old McGuffin for the new series so RTD can keep the Doctor as the last of the Time Lords. So while Davies is around it's unlikely we'll get the Time Lords back but that's not to say that at some point when Davies leaves that they won't ever return.

The Daleks are constantly there because they're the main villains in the programme and the BBC paid a load for the rights from the Terry Nation estate so they're getting their money's worth. Also Davies likes them lots.

[SPAfreak]

The Daleks are constantly there because they're the main villains in the programme and the BBC paid a load for the rights from the Terry Nation estate so they're getting their money's worth. Also Davies likes them lots.

There were certainly enough Dalek references and citings in Coupling to make me pretty sure that Moffatt likes them too. If he does take over as showrunner I'm sure they'll pop up again.

[adamthered]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ has the "new" trailer. Unfortunately, said new trailer is the same one that's been making the rounds on Youtube for the last two months. But for those of you how haven't seen it, here's a chance to catch a version not filmed from somebody's phone camera.

[ZT4]

Of course, the television quality of the trailer allowed things to look a little clearer (like The Doctor's face as the car hits the water...awesome shot, definately a Grame Harper moment)

[ragnarok_2012]

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[ZT4]

MAJOR SPOILERS, HIGHLIGHT TO READ


Three short promos for the new season have aired in specific regions. The promos showcase two returning adversaries, The Ood and The Sontarans, but the third confirms another old enemy, The Daleks.

[Matt]

I don't care if they paid a lot of money for them or not, they need to give the Daleks a rest for a season or two.

[Spike-X]

I don't care if they paid a lot of money for them or not, they need to give the Daleks a rest for a season or two.
The punters like 'em.

And what the punters like, the punters get.

[king mob]

There were certainly enough Dalek references and citings in Coupling to make me pretty sure that Moffatt likes them too. If he does take over as showrunner I'm sure they'll pop up again.


Moffatt seems to be too busy writing the Tintin films and trying to get the BBC's new Sherlock Holmes series off the ground.

[king mob]

The punters like 'em.

And what the punters like, the punters get.

Thing is the kids do seem to be bored by the Daleks after last year. Of course it could just be because Helen Traynor turned in a truely awful Dalek story that an 8 year old knew was rubbish.

[Deathstroke]

Moffatt seems to be too busy writing the Tintin films and trying to get the BBC's new Sherlock Holmes series off the ground.

I pity the guy who gets cast as Sherlock Holmes then. I can't imagine how the comparisons are going to be, particularly against the likes of Jeremy Brett.

[Stressfactor]

The punters like 'em.

And what the punters like, the punters get.


Well people don't always know what's good for them AND there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Use the Daleks too much and too often and people get burned out and bored.

Look at Troughton and the Cybermen... four times in three years -- I think people got tired of seeing the Cybermen for everything and not every one of those Cybermen stories was that great either.

[ZT4]

Well people don't always know what's good for them AND there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Use the Daleks too much and too often and people get burned out and bored.

I havent tired of The Daleks, though it can be argued that by constantly having them survive everything The Doctor throws at them, it makes him look infintly weak. Unfortunatly, Nation always insisted that his creations look incapable of true defeat, only a "delay", and even The Doctor's actions in "Genesis" only resulted in Davros becoming aware instantly of his nature and The Daleks slowly realizing the Time Lords were gunning for 'em.

If there's a prime example of why creator-owned characters and egos can affect a character's capability this dramaticly, Nation's Daleks is a cautionary lesson.

[mattx110]

I pity the guy who gets cast as Sherlock Holmes then. I can't imagine how the comparisons are going to be, particularly against the likes of Jeremy Brett.
I bet you 50 quid it's gonna be David Tennant and they announce it the last day of this current season!


No, I don't, but it'd be cool for me.

edit: It better be the druggy skinny tall lanky slightly unhealthy condescending holmes! Not some kiddie peppy version!

[Stressfactor]

No matter what Sherlock Holmes I hope they don't go with someone young, sexy and handsome. He can be one or two of those but the character should never be all three at once -- it's just not Holmes.

[king mob]

I pity the guy who gets cast as Sherlock Holmes then. I can't imagine how the comparisons are going to be, particularly against the likes of Jeremy Brett.

It's Mark Gatiss cast as Holmes & it's unlikely that Brett's Holmes will cast too big a shadow over here as there's been various versions of Holmes since. Not to mention that this'll be for a completely new and mainstream audience.

[king mob]

Well people don't always know what's good for them AND there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Use the Daleks too much and too often and people get burned out and bored.


No Daleks means no merchandise which means less income coming into the BBC, which is something they can't do without.

[king mob]

On the subject of merchandise..... (http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001001&langId=-1&searchTerms=dalek+costume&x=0&y=0)

[Hellboy Animated 101]

On the subject of merchandise..... (http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001001&langId=-1&searchTerms=dalek+costume&x=0&y=0)

THAT is the cheepest looking Dalek costume i've EVER seen. And I mean CHEEP AS IN BAD!

[Hellboy Animated 101]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ has the "new" trailer. Unfortunately, said new trailer is the same one that's been making the rounds on Youtube for the last two months. But for those of you how haven't seen it, here's a chance to catch a version not filmed from somebody's phone camera.

YAY! anyone have a downloadible version of this?

[Stressfactor]

On the subject of merchandise..... (http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001001&langId=-1&searchTerms=dalek+costume&x=0&y=0)


Ugh. Even during the bad old days of cardboard cutout Daleks I don't think I've seen anything that bad. What's next, Zarbi costumes?

Doesn't help that the poor boy evidently does not have any pants on (the American definition of pants -- not the British one) and doesn't have any shoes either. I mean, what they couldn't give him at least a pair of black khakis and black tennis shoes?

[mattx110]

It's Mark Gatiss cast as Holmes & it's unlikely that Brett's Holmes will cast too big a shadow over here as there's been various versions of Holmes since. Not to mention that this'll be for a completely new and mainstream audience.
That's cool. I hope he fights Daleks!

[king mob]

The latest Popbitch mailout has this lovely little snippet about David Tennant.

>> Tennant's super <<Just what the Dr ordered zookeeper's boy writes:
I can confirm that David Tennant is indeed the nicest man in the world. I work in a post-production house and Tennant was recently in torecord a voice-over for a new documentary. He tooka break in the coffee bar, where he was approachedby a member of the sales team who works with disadvantaged kids in his spare time. The manexplained that the kids were massive Dr Who fans. Tennant then spent his break doing an improvised skit in Dr Who character while being filmed on a phone camera for these kids. Pure class.?

[ChrisIII]

Most of the Doctor actors are pretty supportive of the fans and the franchise, from what I've heard. The only real exception I believe is Eccleston, who refuses to go to any conventions.

[Hellboy Animated 101]

Most of the Doctor actors are pretty supportive of the fans and the franchise, from what I've heard. The only real exception I believe is Eccleston, who refuses to go to any conventions.
He refuses WHAT? Oyyy...so he's the British equivalent to Will Ferrel in the fact that he's an a-hole to the fans. At least he's funny and smart, though, so don't bash me for comparing the 2.

[king mob]

He refuses WHAT? Oyyy...so he's the British equivalent to Will Ferrel in the fact that he's an a-hole to the fans. At least he's funny and smart, though, so don't bash me for comparing the 2.

He doesn't have to do conventions, he chooses not to & he's fairly busy working so I don't see how this makes him an arsehole.

[Hellboy Animated 101]

He doesn't have to do conventions, he chooses not to & he's fairly busy working so I don't see how this makes him an arsehole.

oh...never mind...:o

[Spike-X]

The latest Popbitch mailout has this lovely little snippet about David Tennant.
Pure class indeed.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally Tom Baker wants to have a quest-spot in the fifth season:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a92170/tom-baker-ponders-doctor-who-return.html

If he does make it, I wonder if he'll be the fourth Doctor or another character. Apparentally when the first season was out he wanted to be the Master, but I doubt that'll still happen.

[Alan Lynch]

Whoa, Tennant is awesome. That's a great wee story.

[Mike Smash!]

The latest Popbitch mailout has this lovely little snippet about David Tennant.What an incredibly cool guy.

[mattx110]

I wish people wanted to see me improvised cell phone camera sketches...


He seems to be one of those lucky folks who get to do something they love that other folks can can enjoy too. I wanna be him when I grow up (looks at birth certificate) Oh #$#%! I'm old.

But seriously, it's nice to have an actor with some perspective and respect.

[Loki]

He doesn't have to do conventions, he chooses not to & he's fairly busy working so I don't see how this makes him an arsehole.

Exactly. I've chatted to people who've met him, including some who've simply bumped into him in the street, and apparently he's friendly enough and fine with fans he encounters this way, he just doesn't want to do the whole convention scene.

[Stressfactor]

I think lot of past Doctors are not as into the convention stuff until they get a little older. For some it may be about not having work but for others it seems to be a bit of a chance to wax reminicent and have some fun. Plus, its one thing to live in Great Britian and run into British fans all the time -- it's something else to get to go to other countries and meet the fans there.

I could see where Eccleston is just not ready to reminice yet... and yeah, being busy probably has quite a bit to do with it too.

[king mob]

I could see where Eccleston is just not ready to reminice yet... and yeah, being busy probably has quite a bit to do with it too.

It's also worth remembering that it's just one role he's done in a career that's spread over some 20 odd years. It's not that he'll ignore fans or the programme (when he was on Celebrity Mastermind he described himself as a ''unemployed Time Lord'') it's just he's not wanting to stay in one place too long.

[Deathstroke]

I can understand Eccleston's desire not to stay in one place too long, but for me it just seemed he could've been around a bit longer. Now I love David Tennant as well, but an extra helping of Eccleston would've been a nice treat. (And would've saved him from that rather stupid acting job on Heroes.)

And I still would love to see him do a convention.

Oh, I finally got my Season 3 set so I can't wait to watch all the goodies!

[ChrisIII]

Another new trailer has appeared on the website. Basically it's a consolidation of the recent monster trailers with some somewhat spooky narration by Donna. It does seem that with this and the last trailer that they've toned Donna down somewhat. We'll wait and see, I suppose.

[king mob]

I can understand Eccleston's desire not to stay in one place too long, but for me it just seemed he could've been around a bit longer.

He was only ever doing one series from the start, plus he's said he was unhappy about some aspects of the production, especially the direction.

[SPAfreak]

He was only ever doing one series from the start, plus he's said he was unhappy about some aspects of the production, especially the direction.

It's kind of why he was always a good fit for new Who. Davies and company seemed to want to reintroduce the audience to the character as quickly as possible and the regeneration is a pretty big part of it. With Eccleston only staying for a series we got to see it pretty early on.

[adamthered]

it's just he's not wanting to stay in one place too long.

Rather fitting for someone who's played The Doctor :D

[Deathstroke]

He was only ever doing one series from the start, plus he's said he was unhappy about some aspects of the production, especially the direction.

king mob, believe me I understand all that. I'm just saying I WISH.

[Alan Lynch]

Another new trailer has appeared on the website. Basically it's a consolidation of the recent monster trailers with some somewhat spooky narration by Donna. It does seem that with this and the last trailer that they've toned Donna down somewhat. We'll wait and see, I suppose.
I thought Donna calmed down by the end of the Christmas special anyway. She was only annoying and shouty at the start, so I've never been worried that might be an issue. Hopefully we're all right and she is going to be calmer; I couldn't take a whole season of screamy Catherine Tate.