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SPAfreak

10-08-2007, 06:33 AM

Compare the two like this, which was probably RTD's intention:

Rose is our viewpoint character into the world of Who. She's very much a child. Deadend job, same high school boyfriend that she isn't terribly serious about, lives with her mom and she has no clear path in life. Her journey with the Doctor allows us to share her wonder in what she sees and is her passage into adulthood. As the series continues she gains confidence and maturity. Much like Martha she also constantly shows a willingness to sacrifice herself for family and friends.

Martha is the opposite. She's already an adult. She's training to be a doctor and she's basically the parent of her fractured family. Her trip with the Doctor was a chance to rediscover the joy that she's been missing by being so serious. Unfortunately, even when she's having this adventure she fixates on something - in this case the Doctor.

king mob

10-09-2007, 05:34 AM

The latest bit of bollocks/news from the Daily Star.

DOCTOR Who bosses are set to call back FOUR of the Time Lord’s favourite assistants – including Billie Piper – for a sensational showdown.

The old cast members will be reunited to help the Doc fight evil Dalek creator Davros in an explosive finale to the next series.

Even the Time Lord’s dog K-9 will make an appearance.

“Fans will be thrilled,” said a senior TV source. “With four of the Doctor’s assistants in one show it’s a dream come true.”

Leading the way in the line-up will be Billie, 25, as Rose Tyler along with the rest of the Tyler family – mum Jackie (Camille Coduri, 41), dad Pete (Shaun Dingwall, 37) and boyfriend Mickey (Noel Clarke, 31). They will hook up with the Tardis traveller’s latest assistants Martha Jones (Freema Agyeman, 28) and Donna Noble (Catherine Tate, 39).

Also on hand to help out the Doc (David Tennant, 36) will be his old companion Sarah Jane Smith (Elisabeth Sladen, 59) as well as Torchwood boss Captain Jack Harkness (John Barrowman, 40).

The TV source said: “This is the daddy of all shows. The writer Russell T Davies really wants to pull out all the stops for the finale next year.”

TV gossips say the next series will be the last overseen by Davies, 44, the man who revived the BBC sci-fi smash hit three years ago.

But he will also work on three more hour-long specials, due to be screened in 2009.

They missed out how old K9 is, he'll be so upset.

Captain Jim

10-09-2007, 05:53 AM

The latest bit of bollocks/news from the Daily Star.

They missed out how old K9 is, he'll be so upset.

This sounds great. Can't wait to see Martha's reaction when she finally meets Rose.

Uh, dumb question. When you British folks say "series" that's what we US folks would call "season", right?

Toku King

10-09-2007, 06:18 AM

Davros must have something big up his sleeve this time.

Toku King

10-09-2007, 06:20 AM

I always thought that the big four were the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Master, and Davros.
Not just because they're the big ones recently, either.

king mob

10-09-2007, 06:35 AM

Uh, dumb question. When you British folks say "series" that's what we US folks would call "season", right?

Yup.

The story smacks of shite but the Star has got it right in the past. As for the Davros rumours, they've been around since the summer & so far we've had Ben Kingsley & Dennis Hopper down as Davros, so take any rumour with a pinch of salt until it's confirmed. Seeing as the Sontarans are confirmed as the old baddy returning this series, and it looks as if the BBC have renegotiated the Dalek rights with the Nation estate, Davros may well be there next series.

A clue can be found though by looking at the DVD releases of the old series. The Time Warrior is just out (first Sarah Jane & first Sontaran story), the Sea Devils/Silurians box set (I'd love to see either return) in due & the New Year sees a Davros boxset due.

Mac Danny

10-09-2007, 06:58 AM

I love the idea of the 4 companions getting together. I just hope they don't re-hash the Ex Girlfriend thing that they did when Rose met Sarah Jane.

I still think that there is a parallel Doctor on Pete's world who, if the contracts work out right could either be Doctor 8 or 9.

Plus a parallel world with an intact Gallifrey and no Time War. Where Doctor 10 has to think "should I stay or should I go"

I hope the return of Rose is true and more Who Captain Jack!

Captain Jim

10-09-2007, 07:59 PM

Plus a parallel world with an intact Gallifrey and no Time War. Where Doctor 10 has to think "should I stay or should I go"

Now, there's an interesting thought.

IamtheRock3

10-09-2007, 08:02 PM

The latest bit of bollocks/news from the Daily Star.

They missed out how old K9 is, he'll be so upset.

For some reason it always trouble be Harkness is called a compaion. Sense he kind of always had his own thing even before a doc, kind of make him to much of a sidekick

Sanagi

10-09-2007, 10:48 PM

The latest bit of bollocks/news from the Daily Star.
Wow, that sounds like the most fanboyish piece of crap I ever heard of. Plus, Rose's story is over. Great character, never want to see her again.

Cyke

10-10-2007, 06:53 AM

For some reason it always trouble be Harkness is called a compaion. Sense he kind of always had his own thing even before a doc, kind of make him to much of a sidekick

It troubles me that the media don't consider Mickey to be a companion, even though the BBC and the writers always list him as one. The papers even call Martha the first Black companion, even though Mickey beat her to it. A brotha can't get no love.

rick

10-10-2007, 07:00 AM

Wow, that sounds like the most fanboyish piece of crap I ever heard of. Plus, Rose's story is over. Great character, never want to see her again.

Way back when, the Three Doctors sounded like it was going to be a fanboyish piece of crap when I first heard about it.

Didn't turn out that way.

So far, more often then not, the new Who teams has managed to get it right, so I have some hopes for this one too.

And I for one, will be quite happy to check in with Rose and company, one last time.

Mac Danny

10-10-2007, 07:03 AM

rick

10-10-2007, 07:08 AM

From what I have seen on the new Who series. Men travelers aren't the Doctor's companions. They are the Doctor's cock blocks.

I don't think that you can really make that accusation towards Jack. :)

Mac Danny

10-10-2007, 07:24 AM

I don't think that you can really make that accusation towards Jack. :)

Come on, Jack flirts with anything! Who are they going to go for. Troubled ole Doctor or Any hole in a storm Jack?

Doodle Bob

10-10-2007, 10:42 AM

Wow, that sounds like the most fanboyish piece of crap I ever heard of.

I'm puzzled by this response. Of course, it's fanboyish: the very fact that they revived the most fanboyest of all fanboy shows out there (from an American point of view, mind you) is fanboyish!

I personally think that it sounds cool. Plus I also like the idea of using Rose's universe to unite the various incarnations of the Doctor.

Sandoz

10-10-2007, 10:59 AM

Plus a parallel world with an intact Gallifrey and no Time War. Where Doctor 10 has to think "should I stay or should I go"
I'm blanking on the source for this, so some more in-the-know Who fan can point it out, but I recall that RTD said that there were no alternate Doctors nor an alternate Gallifrey in Rose's parallel dimension.

Spike-X

10-10-2007, 12:06 PM

Toku King

10-10-2007, 12:44 PM

As long as Mel doesn't show up. *shudders*

Sanagi

10-10-2007, 02:13 PM

Way back when, the Three Doctors sounded like it was going to be a fanboyish piece of crap when I first heard about it.

Didn't turn out that way.

So far, more often then not, the new Who teams has managed to get it right, so I have some hopes for this one too.

And I for one, will be quite happy to check in with Rose and company, one last time.
The comparison should be to The Five Doctors, because we're not talking about a guest star or two, this is six companions in one story, along with assorted supporting characters. And The Five Doctors is only considered a classic because multi-Doctor stories are automatically interesting. By any other standard, it's a mess.

Captain Jim

10-10-2007, 07:56 PM

It troubles me that the media don't consider Mickey to be a companion, even though the BBC and the writers always list him as one. The papers even call Martha the first Black companion, even though Mickey beat her to it. A brotha can't get no love.

IMO, Mickey qualifies as a companion, but just barely. He wasn't really the Doctor's companion in the first season, because he never traveled with him in the Tardis. (And, to me anyway, that seems like a necessary criteria.) He finally did so in season two, though only for a couple storylines, as I recall.

Cyke

10-10-2007, 11:12 PM

IMO, Mickey qualifies as a companion, but just barely. He wasn't really the Doctor's companion in the first season, because he never traveled with him in the Tardis. (And, to me anyway, that seems like a necessary criteria.) He finally did so in season two, though only for a couple storylines, as I recall.

In the official media and canon, Mickey's considered a full-fledged companion. Tabloid reporters, for some reason, don't. J'en sais pas pourquoi.

Armless Penguin

10-10-2007, 11:27 PM

I'm blanking on the source for this, so some more in-the-know Who fan can point it out, but I recall that RTD said that there were no alternate Doctors nor an alternate Gallifrey in Rose's parallel dimension.

I always assumed this was the case, though it begs the question of why there was a Torchwood in that dimension, then.

Cyke

10-11-2007, 07:20 AM

I always assumed this was the case, though it begs the question of why there was a Torchwood in that dimension, then.

I don't think it was outright said that there was no Doctor or Gallifrey there. But maybe there was a different werewolf situation at alt-Torchwood long ago. Their Torchwood seems to be less secretive and more public, so it might not be of the same origins.

I think.

Mac Danny

10-11-2007, 08:31 AM

I don't think it was outright said that there was no Doctor or Gallifrey there. But maybe there was a different werewolf situation at alt-Torchwood long ago. Their Torchwood seems to be less secretive and more public, so it might not be of the same origins.

I think.

This does bring up a slight paradox. Without the Doctor would there be a Torchwood? Regardless of the Earth.

Cyke

10-11-2007, 08:52 AM

This does bring up a slight paradox. Without the Doctor would there be a Torchwood? Regardless of the Earth.

Well, regardless of the Doctor, assuming if things worked out like they did on normal Earth, there'd still be an alien Warewolf at the Torchwood Estate regardless of the Doctor. The Queen might have escaped, the same man might have died, and the Queen might have started another agency named after the Estate. So who knows.

Just like 95% of his epsidoes, the Doctor just happened to land at the right place at the right time.

drwho

10-12-2007, 01:17 PM

Matt

10-12-2007, 01:36 PM

Yes, it's rating extremely well in the UK.
And pretty well in Australia.

king mob

10-13-2007, 05:07 AM

Wow, that sounds like the most fanboyish piece of crap I ever heard of. Plus, Rose's story is over. Great character, never want to see her again.

It's right to say that Rose's story is over & getting Billie Piper back is nothing more than a easy ratings winner. However most of the current production team are Who fanboys from when they were kids, so something like this could happen as a big send off for RTD as he naffs off to other things.

king mob

10-13-2007, 05:11 AM

Is Dr. Who still getting good ratings in the UK. A scary thing I have noticed is in the US the third season of dr who isnt even on one of the highest rated top then scifi channel shows list. I dont recall it being on there since season 3 started. i find it hard to believe that less than 1 million people watch the show when its on.

Outside of things like Eastenders, Strictly Come Dancing & big sporting events like the World Cup or Wimbledon; Who is the BBC's biggest programme pulling in average audiences of 8 to 9 million. It's also one of the BBC's biggest earners in terms of merchandising & licensing-last years Doctor Who Annual outsold The Beano Annual which is a massive feat.

king mob

10-13-2007, 05:18 AM

I finally finished off the Key To Time DVDs this morning & on a whole the entire series was much better than I remembered it, with the exception of The Power Of Kroll which is possibly the worst Robert Holmes Who story I've seen.

The pissed Tom Baker clip from the 1978 BBC Christmas tape is possibly the best extra on a Who DVD you'll ever see.

Also, Virgin & HMV are doing a huge sale and included is lots of Who DVD's including series one of the new series for a far more reasonable 40 quid, rather than the stupidly expensive 80 quid it's been selling for up til now. Sadly I bloody paid 80 quid for mine, tsk.

Toku King

10-13-2007, 06:57 AM

I just watched the Christmas Special from Season 2.
I loved it. The entire episode felt so sincere, if not epic. The moment Rose could hear what the Siverax(sp?) were saying in English, you just had to stand up and cheer.

Cyke

10-13-2007, 07:49 AM

Outside of things like Eastenders, Strictly Come Dancing & big sporting events like the World Cup or Wimbledon; Who is the BBC's biggest programme pulling in average audiences of 8 to 9 million. It's also one of the BBC's biggest earners in terms of merchandising & licensing-last years Doctor Who Annual outsold The Beano Annual which is a massive feat.

In this week's Entertainment Weekly, in their Top 10 Hottest Things for the week, they listed Torchwood on BBC America as Number 7 (I think). Say what you will about the quality of the show, but I think it's nice that a Doctor Who spinoff is acknowledged in American media, and that it says something about the parent show.

Siverax(sp?)

Sycorax. It's a name borrowed from The Tempest, and The Shakespeare Code has a cute joke about the aliens and the character.

darkhanamaru

10-13-2007, 03:06 PM

dalek pumpkin

had to share....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPsXj7kVB5g

king mob

10-14-2007, 07:02 AM

In this week's Entertainment Weekly, in their Top 10 Hottest Things for the week, they listed Torchwood on BBC America as Number 7 (I think). Say what you will about the quality of the show, but I think it's nice that a Doctor Who spinoff is acknowledged in American media, and that it says something about the parent show.

It does but it's still a bloody awful programme, especially as the Sarah Jane Adventures is such a brilliant spin off & has been incredibly consistant. Of course one could blame Chris Chibnall but that would be far too easy.

Cyke

10-14-2007, 07:18 AM

It does but it's still a bloody awful programme, especially as the Sarah Jane Adventures is such a brilliant spin off & has been incredibly consistant. Of course one could blame Chris Chibnall but that would be far too easy.

Problem is, they aren't showing Sarah Jane in the States. At least, not yet. Hopefully if and when that happens, it'll be a few spots higher on the Top 10 list than Torchwood.

And it's not like Entertainment Weekly is a barometer of quality half the time, but hey, mainstream exposure is a good thing.

BoosterBronze

10-15-2007, 10:38 AM

Can anyone tell me why that one doctor with the fro-y blond hair had such a terrible, terrible costume? Did they hate the viewers back then?

king mob

10-15-2007, 11:43 AM

Can anyone tell me why that one doctor with the fro-y blond hair had such a terrible, terrible costume? Did they hate the viewers back then?

Colin Baker was the Doctor, John Nathan Turner was the producer and the costume was his idea & one that was a complete disaster, & JNT oversaw quite a few of those in his time.

Cyke

10-15-2007, 02:00 PM

Colin Baker was the Doctor, John Nathan Turner was the producer and the costume was his idea & one that was a complete disaster, & JNT oversaw quite a few of those in his time.

I heard/read somewhere (perhaps Doctor Who Confidential?) that the costume captured the essence of 1980s excess. I'm not too sure about what that does for anyone's opinion on such a monstrosity, but I just wanted to shoot that out there.

Toku King

10-15-2007, 02:43 PM

The Doctor Who Movie was indeed terrible. Very poorly made, uninteresting, and covered in plot holes.

BoosterBronze

10-15-2007, 02:51 PM

The Doctor Who Movie was indeed terrible. Very poorly made, uninteresting, and covered in plot holes.

Agreed.

I imagine a non-Dr. Who fan watching it and going 'what the hell?" since the first hour involves one character dying, and rather confusingly regnerating into another actor.

The Doctor's coolness is that he's confident and knows everything. Showing him die in a rather undignified way, and then regenrate and stumble around for a bit kills a lot of his appeal.

Though, i think McGann might have been a darn fine Doctor otherwise.

Captain Jim

10-15-2007, 05:26 PM

Colin Baker was the Doctor, John Nathan Turner was the producer and the costume was his idea & one that was a complete disaster, & JNT oversaw quite a few of those in his time.

As I recall, Colin didn't like it either.

Magneto_X

10-15-2007, 05:53 PM

Though, i think McGann might have been a darn fine Doctor otherwise.

I've heard a rumour that McGann wants to reprise his role and that the show may do something with him at some point.

I hope they do.

It would be great to get some episodes or entire season/s about the 8th Doctor.

BoosterBronze

10-15-2007, 08:01 PM

I've heard a rumour that McGann wants to reprise his role and that the show may do something with him at some point.

I hope they do.

It would be great to get some episodes or entire season/s about the 8th Doctor.

Or they can do "The Four Doctors" with McGann, Ecelsen, McCoy, and Tennant. That would RULE!

Sanagi

10-15-2007, 11:24 PM

Can anyone tell me why that one doctor with the fro-y blond hair had such a terrible, terrible costume? Did they hate the viewers back then?
There's no easy answer to that question, but the entire show was kind of off the rails at that point...

Matt

10-15-2007, 11:59 PM

The Doctor Who Movie was indeed terrible. Very poorly made, uninteresting, and covered in plot holes.

That said McGann did well with what he was given, the TARDIS interior looked rather cool and the theme music is possibly the best version I've heard.

ChrisIII

10-16-2007, 05:53 AM

Both Colin Baker and Paul Mcgann-as well as Davison and McCoy-continue to play the Doctor in audio dramas released by Big Finish. Colin's Doctor is toned down and perhaps has the best of the audio line, suprisingly (One of Colin's audio stories even inspired Dalek). Apparentally Tom Baker and Eccleston want nothing to do with the audios, though....

king mob

10-16-2007, 11:00 AM

I heard/read somewhere (perhaps Doctor Who Confidential?) that the costume captured the essence of 1980s excess. I'm not too sure about what that does for anyone's opinion on such a monstrosity, but I just wanted to shoot that out there.

It was JNT trying to come up with something unique, while Colin Baker wanted to wear something like a pinstripe suit, he was overruled by JNT who was adamant that the costume should be as tailored as possible. JNT's costumes were something that everyone from Tom Baker to McCoy hated due to their light entertainment feel.

king mob

10-16-2007, 11:03 AM

Apparentally Tom Baker and Eccleston want nothing to do with the audios, though....

Tom Baker has seriously softened his attitude & is now doing commentaries & is even appearing on 'warts & all' documentaries.

Cyke

10-16-2007, 03:50 PM

It was JNT trying to come up with something unique, while Colin Baker wanted to wear something like a pinstripe suit, he was overruled by JNT who was adamant that the costume should be as tailored as possible. JNT's costumes were something that everyone from Tom Baker to McCoy hated due to their light entertainment feel.

The comment about the suit capturing 80s excess was probably made in hindsight, then, considering, well, the overall tone of the 80s in general (not just Who).

ChrisIII

10-17-2007, 05:07 AM

I believe Colin recently said that what he wanted was pretty close to what Eccleston wore.

Interestingly the "Real Time" semi-animated webcast and some of the audio covers have an alternate costume-still the same basic jacket but all blue.

Captain Jim

10-17-2007, 05:41 AM

I believe Colin recently said that what he wanted was pretty close to what Eccleston wore.

That matches my recollection of what I heard at the time he had the role.

Tadhg Adams

10-17-2007, 05:47 AM

ChrisIII

10-17-2007, 02:10 PM

True, although that rules out Eccleston. However, Tennant of course used to do Doctor Who audios (But as non-Doctor characters) there are a few Sarah Jane audios out (Although for an audience different than the current TV show, I believe) and they've sort of found a loophole for Fourth Doctor & earlier stuff with the new companion-narrated adventures. However, Tom himself, although he's certainly enjoyed the character of the Doctor, seems very reluctant to be involved with Big Finish, although they'd probably be glad to have him.

Magneto_X

10-17-2007, 02:14 PM

Or they can do "The Four Doctors" with McGann, Ecelsen, McCoy, and Tennant. That would RULE!

Hell yeah!

That would be great.

ChrisIII

10-17-2007, 02:42 PM

There were rumors that Davison and Mccoy were returning in some way, but those have yet to be confirmed.

Doodle Bob

10-17-2007, 05:50 PM

Or they can do "The Four Doctors" with McGann, Ecelsen, McCoy, and Tennant. That would RULE!

I say find a very young actor (mid 20s) who looks a heckuva lot like a young William Hartnell -- and have a story revolving around the original Doctor with Tennant, Eccleston and McGann. McCoy, I can do without.

Captain Jim

10-17-2007, 08:39 PM

I say find a very young actor (mid 20s) who looks a heckuva lot like a young William Hartnell -- and have a story revolving around the original Doctor with Tennant, Eccleston and McGann. McCoy, I can do without.

That's a cool sounding idea too.

king mob

10-18-2007, 12:22 AM

There were rumors that Davison and Mccoy were returning in some way, but those have yet to be confirmed.

They were fanwank rumours on Outpost Gallifrey orginating from Davison taking his kids to the set, and McCoy is always the subject of fanwank rumours on OG.

The Mirrorball Man

10-18-2007, 03:46 AM

I have this persistent image in my mind of Stephen Merchant as the Doctor. I think this would rule to an insane degree.

Matt

10-18-2007, 02:32 PM

McCoy, I can do without.

No way, the later 7th Doctor stories were some of the best of the classic series. McCoy played the role of the manipulative, cunning Time Lord brilliantly.

Doodle Bob

10-18-2007, 05:15 PM

No way, the later 7th Doctor stories were some of the best of the classic series. McCoy played the role of the manipulative, cunning Time Lord brilliantly.

I'll have to re-watch those, but the over-the-top "Harpo Marx in Space" persona of his first few episodes just turned me off completely.

Captain Jim

10-18-2007, 07:39 PM

So, why was it that viewers lost interest, leading to the show's cancelation after all those years?

Sanagi

10-18-2007, 10:10 PM

So, why was it that viewers lost interest, leading to the show's cancelation after all those years?
The 6th Doctor era was generally bad, and the 7th hadn't shown much promise at first. Things started to improve toward the end, but it was too little, too late.

rick

10-18-2007, 10:24 PM

So, why was it that viewers lost interest, leading to the show's cancelation after all those years?

It wasn't that the show ever became "bad", it's that after being on the air for 25 years, the show had just gotten old, and really needed a rest.

Matt

10-18-2007, 11:23 PM

So, why was it that viewers lost interest, leading to the show's cancelation after all those years?

By that time, I don't think anything would have saved it. The head of the BBC at the time really was looking for any reason to scrap the series.

ChrisII

10-19-2007, 02:57 PM

McCoy has a few notable stories-mostly "Rememberance of the Daleks" "Ghost Light" and "Curse of Fenric". "Happiness Patrol" "Dragonfire" "Survival" "Greatest Show In The Galaxy" are sort of middle-of-the-road, and everything else was pretty bad.

Basically what the writers attempted to do was make the Doctor a darker character (With his emotional treatment of companion Ace being somewhat questionable), and drop hints that his past went beyond the whole "He got bored of Gallifrey and stole a Tardis" origin. Particuarly, their plan was to gradually reveal that the Doctor was a reincarnation of a time lord who had help form the time lord society. This development is more or less continued in the Seventh Doctor "New Adventures" novels.

king mob

10-19-2007, 05:19 PM

So, why was it that viewers lost interest, leading to the show's cancelation after all those years?

Several reasons really, the short versions are:

The programme moved from a Saturday night teatime slot to a midweek slot, twice a week. This was in order to boost the BBC's midweek schedule (Who was still a big show) when Davison took over from Tom Baker and try to break down ITV's dominance of that particular timeslot from 7pm to 9pm. For a while it worked, then Colin Baker took over and it went tits up.

Colin Baker's Doctor-massively unpopular with truely terrible stories on the whole. Bad choices by JNT, and hostile BBC management put Baker in a position where he was never going to succeed. The show was shoved back to a Saturday teatime slot and died horribly. Baker was effectively sacked, the only Doctor to have suffered this fate.

Moving the show opposite Coronation Street, the most consistantly popular programme on British telly. The BBC were scrambling to try to find something to compete against it and until they started grinding out Eastenders four nights a week, they tried everything and failed. Who was one programme that failed to make a dent into Corrie's ratings.

The programme itself was a shadow of it's former self. It was simply rubbish and far too up it's own arse to make the casual viewer interested enough to bother watching. Even in it's last few years when it did improve, it was still guilty of being incredibly poor in comparison to when most viewers remembered it. The choice of McCoy confused viewers as he was best known as a extra on Tiswas and was part of Ken Campbell's theatre group; both of which involved McCoy being a slapstick comedian.

Another problem was the fanbase. Who fandom erupted into life during the 80's, and they gained a power (mainly via Ian Levine's lot) over the programme that led it to pander to that relatively small group. So the programme discovered continuity nerds had as much influence as a decent script editor, not a good thing if you're a family orientated mass audience show suddenly without an audience due to hostile BBC management.

That's the basics, there's more to it all, much of which can be found on the extras on the Survival DVD.

Captain Jim

10-20-2007, 08:26 PM

I discovered Doctor Who (with much of the US) in the mid-1980's. The first Doctor I was exposed to was Tom Baker (my favorite at the time, of course), but I also liked Davison a lot, and really didn't think Colin Baker was half as bad as everybody makes out. I only saw the first season of McCoy before I moved to a different area and didn't have access to the program anymore. (We pretty much depended on local PBS stations back then.) On the basis of that first season, though, I really wasn't all that impressed.

Magneto_X

10-20-2007, 11:24 PM

Basically what the writers attempted to do was make the Doctor a darker character (With his emotional treatment of companion Ace being somewhat questionable), and drop hints that his past went beyond the whole "He got bored of Gallifrey and stole a Tardis" origin. Particuarly, their plan was to gradually reveal that the Doctor was a reincarnation of a time lord who had help form the time lord society. This development is more or less continued in the Seventh Doctor "New Adventures" novels.

That's been retconned with the new Doctor Who show.

Kaled

10-21-2007, 12:19 PM

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Magneto_X Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisII
Basically what the writers attempted to do was make the Doctor a darker character (With his emotional treatment of companion Ace being somewhat questionable), and drop hints that his past went beyond the whole "He got bored of Gallifrey and stole a Tardis" origin. Particuarly, their plan was to gradually reveal that the Doctor was a reincarnation of a time lord who had help form the time lord society. This development is more or less continued in the Seventh Doctor "New Adventures" novels.

That's been retconned with the new Doctor Who show.

I like to think it is still in I.M. Foreman's bottle universe.

On a another note I just got aorund to watching the 3rd season ender and I enjoyed it but I have become somewhat obsessed with finding something and so I ask has any out there seen it. I want the pocket watch and I was wondering is there a copy of it somewhere or is there somewhere I might find the prop itself?
Any help is appreciated.

mattx110

10-21-2007, 12:26 PM

Cyke

10-21-2007, 08:09 PM

Um. Guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/21/50016.shtml

mattx110

10-21-2007, 09:55 PM

Um. Guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/21/50016.shtml

that's terrific news. nice catch.

Sanagi

10-21-2007, 11:15 PM

Um. Guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/21/50016.shtml
That's one rumor that I'm happy to see come true. I just wish it were a full episode.

Deathstroke

10-22-2007, 04:33 AM

That is some sweet freaking news!

king mob

10-22-2007, 11:50 AM

Um. Guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/21/50016.shtml

Bloody hell, it's Children In Need already!

RTD announces his plans which also explains why Who is taking a year off.

Russell T Davies, the Doctor Who executive producer, is developing a BBC drama series about fortysomething gay men, the corporation has confirmed.
Davies, who is taking a break from his duties on Doctor Who, is currently developing script ideas for the new project.

The Queer as Folk writer will oversee the project when he takes a break from working on Doctor Who in 2009.

Confirming the development, a BBC spokeswoman said that it was "too early" to say which channel might show the drama or whether it will be produced in-house or by an independent production company.

"It's going to be about fortysomething gay men and how jealous they are of gay teenagers," Davies said in an interview with the Guardian on Saturday. "I've been longing to write something for adults."

In the interview, Davies said that the inspiration for the new drama is a friend, a former Mr Gay UK, who split up from his boyfriend.

"He asked me: 'Why are so many gay men so glad we split up?' That remark's stayed with me for six years. I think there's a self-punishing streak in that gladness and I want to explore it."

Davies' gap year means that the fifth series of Doctor Who will not be shown until 2010, two years after the fourth series airs next year.

Davies's future on the show, which films for nine months of the year in Cardiff, is also in doubt after he indicated his long-term ambitions lay elsewhere.

"I wouldn't want to do series seven," Mr Davies told the Observer in March. "There are other things I want to do."

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2196936,00.html

It's quite amazing to realise that Queer As Folk is 8 years old, I was watching it again the other week & wondering when Davies would get back to writing adult drama again.

Cyke

10-22-2007, 01:14 PM

Bloody hell, it's Children In Need already!

One month away, baby! *high fives mob*

Captain Jim

10-22-2007, 01:38 PM

What exactly is a "special scene"?

Cyke

10-22-2007, 02:09 PM

What exactly is a "special scene"?

What exactly is a "special scene"?

I'm not sure, but it probably involves Tennant saying "Wot?!" three times.

Wait a sec, since this is premiering between Last of the Time Lords and Voyage of the Damned, and we know that the Doctor's been on the Titanic before, maybe the Fifth starts the Tenth off on his new adventure.

LordEd1976

10-22-2007, 10:24 PM

I need to find a way to get out of the States and to England by the time that Special airs.

rick

10-22-2007, 10:37 PM

I need to find a way to get out of the States and to England by the time that Special airs.

Or you can just do what most of the rest of us do and pull out the old, Satellite controlled magic crystal radio set and watch it that way. ;)

king mob

10-23-2007, 12:25 AM

One month away, baby! *high fives mob*

Great. A day of being pestered in pubs by crazeeee students trying to blag themselves five minutes on telly, & poor old Terry Wogan trying not to look too bored by his co-presenters.

What exactly is a "special scene"?

A one-off clip. They've done it before a few years back with Tennant's linking scene between series one & two, and before that in the early 90's with Dimensions In Time, which was a Doctor Who/Eastenders crossover. It wasn't as bad as it sounds, really.

Matt

10-23-2007, 01:14 AM

DiT really was that bad. Don't believe otherwise.

Karl H

10-23-2007, 02:28 AM

The Children In Need special will be awful and probably non-continuity.

My £0.02

rick

10-23-2007, 07:51 AM

The Children In Need special will be awful and probably non-continuity.

My £0.02

I'll still be watching it though.

How about you?

Cyke

10-23-2007, 09:16 AM

The Children In Need special will be awful and probably non-continuity.

My £0.02

Why would it be non-continuity? The special from '05 is canon.

DoubleWide

10-23-2007, 10:29 AM

Or you can just do what most of the rest of us do and pull out the old, Satellite controlled magic crystal radio set and watch it that way. ;)

Or you could watch it when The BBC posts it on their website like it did for the first one.

king mob

10-23-2007, 10:49 AM

DiT really was that bad. Don't believe otherwise.

Nah, it's cheesy fun & it's utterly insane.

king mob

10-23-2007, 10:51 AM

Why would it be non-continuity? The special from '05 is canon.

Dimensions In Time isn't, no matter how much it's tried to be crowbarred into being 'canon'. Personally I don't care either way as long as it's fun, but there was an almighty barney in OG about it's part in Who continuity when I had a shufty in there last night.

SPAfreak

10-23-2007, 10:55 AM

Dimensions In Time isn't, no matter how much it's tried to be crowbarred into being 'canon'. Personally I don't care either way as long as it's fun, but there was an almighty barney in OG about it's part in Who continuity when I had a shufty in there last night.

For those of us across the pond: Define "shufty."

Cyke

10-23-2007, 11:05 AM

Dimensions In Time isn't, no matter how much it's tried to be crowbarred into being 'canon'.

I'm aware of that, that's why I didn't say 'all' specials were canon. But there's precedent in a Children in Need special achieving canonicity.

king mob

10-23-2007, 11:35 AM

For those of us across the pond: Define "shufty."

'Quick look'

king mob

10-23-2007, 11:38 AM

I'm aware of that, that's why I didn't say 'all' specials were canon. But there's precedent in a Children in Need special achieving canonicity.

It doesn't matter though, that's the thing. If it's 'canon' then fine, if it isn't then that's great. It's whether it's good or bad that matters.

Cyke

10-23-2007, 12:46 PM

It doesn't matter though, that's the thing. If it's 'canon' then fine, if it isn't then that's great. It's whether it's good or bad that matters.

Not my original point, though, when I responded to Melonhead.

Heck, for that matter, I'm the one who posted the link. Obviously I'm ecstatic.

Spike-X

10-23-2007, 01:42 PM

The Children In Need special will be awful...

Why do you reckon?

...and probably non-continuity.

Fuck cares? It's a ten-minute bit to help sick kiddies.

mattx110

10-23-2007, 04:08 PM

I'm not sure, but it probably involves Tennant saying "Wot?!" three times.

Wait a sec, since this is premiering between Last of the Time Lords and Voyage of the Damned, and we know that the Doctor's been on the Titanic before, maybe the Fifth starts the Tenth off on his new adventure.

hehe, maybe a whole bunch of doctor regenerations decided to meet at the titanic because it's some paradox in that it's unsinkable but it sunk. also explains why it was able to break through a forcefield that a whole buncha daleks couldn't.

always thinking...

Captain Jim

10-23-2007, 04:21 PM

Well, since I'll probably never see it anywhere else, I hope this Davison/ Tennant special ends up on the 4th season DVD set.

king mob

10-24-2007, 12:31 AM

Here's a nice pic from yesterday's Daily Star.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/andreworton666/star.jpg

Karl H

10-24-2007, 01:58 AM

Why do you reckon?

Fuck cares? It's a ten-minute bit to help sick kiddies.

Oh I appreciate it's a little slot to help the kids. It just doesn't really appeal to me - then again I've never liked the idea of multiple Doctor stories.

*Is a bitter man!*

Sanagi

10-24-2007, 03:05 AM

Here's a nice pic from yesterday's Daily Star.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/andreworton666/star.jpg
Damn. Now I really want this to be a whole episode. Sigh.

I expect D10 will comment on D5's wardrobe at some point.

Matt

10-24-2007, 04:53 AM

Probably.
But I always liked the fact that the Doctor dressed a bit eccentrically, like he didn't quite grasp the idea of modern fashion and instead went for ... well, whatever.

Within limits, of course. The 1st Doctors edwardian outfit was fantastic while the 6ths was woeful.

Cyke

10-24-2007, 07:35 AM

I was always a fan of the Eighth Doctor's costume. And the Third outfoxed Austin Powers, which is saying something right there.

Oh, and in that photo, it looks like Five and Ten are about this close to a passionate kiss. Is that incest?

SPAfreak

10-24-2007, 08:52 AM

Damn. Now I really want this to be a whole episode. Sigh.

I expect D10 will comment on D5's wardrobe at some point.

You know those times you feel really stupid and actually face-palm yourself? I just had one. I always thought D10 was a play on David Tennant's name. I never connected it to him just being the Tenth Doctor.

king mob

10-24-2007, 01:23 PM

I expect D10 will comment on D5's wardrobe at some point.

Davison has said frequently how much he hated his costume, especially those bloody question marks that JNT insisted on from when he started producing the programme. It's not that bad compared to Colin Baker's but it's still pretty rubbish (the whole cricket thing never really worked) when compared to all the other costumes.

mattx110

10-24-2007, 08:59 PM

You know those times you feel really stupid and actually face-palm yourself? I just had one. I always thought D10 was a play on David Tennant's name. I never connected it to him just being the Tenth Doctor.

wow. you're cleverer than i am. this is the first time i'm seeing D10 at all ever, but it took me a few seconds to understand what you meant.

Code-Name V

10-27-2007, 06:31 PM

The special almost has to be good due to the fact that Steven Moffat is writing it. Moffat is the same guy who wrote "The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances" , "Girl in the Fireplace", and "Blink". He's quite highly regarded in fandom, and he's been tipped to replace RTD when he decides to step down.

I just wished it would have been a different Doctor, but considering how badly all of the classic Doctors have aged, Davison is probably the closest one who still looks like he did when he was the TARDIS incumbent.

One more thing: The only way any of the American Who fans are going to see this is going to be through the Internet or if they decide to include it on a future season 4 box set dvd. Since it's a charity event like Children in Need, Sci-Fi Channel and PBS Stations are unlikely to air it due to it not being a part of the official season.

lonewolf23k

10-27-2007, 06:53 PM

drwho

10-27-2007, 06:58 PM

Are they going to explain why #5 looks older then he should prior to his regeneration?

Also, the idea of Doctors 5 and 10 meeting make me think of this webcomic:
The Ten Doctors, by Rich Burlew (http://www.shipsinker.com/wordpress/2007/03/15/doctor-who-comic-the-10-doctors-page-5/)

Right, They should stick on a young face on him. Davidson hardly looks like he did back then. Of course Colin baker is really different. i would never recognize him these days.

rick

10-27-2007, 07:00 PM

Are they going to explain why #5 looks older then he should prior to his regeneration?

I suspect that like all the other crossovers, they will just politley ignore the age difference.

Spike-X

10-27-2007, 07:04 PM

Are they going to explain why #5 looks older then he should prior to his regeneration?

I hope not. they've only got a few minutes; I'd rather that time be spent on actual story/dialogue than irrelevant fanwank.

king mob

10-28-2007, 06:59 AM

I hope not. they've only got a few minutes; I'd rather that time be spent on actual story/dialogue than irrelevant fanwank.

Think about the fanwank though? Won't anyone think about the fanwank!

Sanagi

10-29-2007, 01:47 AM

Think about the fanwank though? Won't anyone think about the fanwank!
That's right, dammit! The entire special should be devoted to addressing all the plot inconsistencies between 1984 and 2006!

mattx110

10-29-2007, 07:16 AM

That's right, dammit! The entire special should be devoted to addressing all the plot inconsistencies between 1984 and 2006!

and it should have susan in it!!!

it's ok man, i got your back.

ChrisIII

10-29-2007, 11:38 AM

The two Doctor team-ups in the 80s had Patrick Troughton and Frazier Hines obviously much older than in the 60's, with no real explanation.

However, that along with several continuity problems in both team-ups (How did the Doctor know Jaime and Zoe lost their memory, if he regenerated right after? Why is he on a mission for the time lords when he was still running from them? etc.) generated the fanon idea season 6b, that the Doctor had some other adventures between the end of the War Games and regenerating into Jon Pertwee (We never do see him *directly* regenerate). This fanon concept became somewhat more legitamate in Terrance Dick's WHO novels.

More about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_6B

So I wonder if fans will now create a season 21B? :)

king mob

11-03-2007, 06:46 AM

Series 3 is out on DVD on Monday for a stupidly high recomended retail price of 60 quid. A little searching will get it for a more reasonable 45 quid though.

Sean Walsh

11-03-2007, 07:12 AM

Series 3 is out on DVD on Monday for a stupidly high recomended retail price of 60 quid. A little searching will get it for a more reasonable 45 quid though.

Or Netflix will get it to you for much much less. :p

Deathstroke

11-03-2007, 08:59 PM

I met Wendy Padbury from the original series today.

Sanagi

11-04-2007, 01:11 AM

I met Wendy Padbury from the original series today.
Cool. What was she like?

I really like the D2/Zoe/Jamie team.

king mob

11-04-2007, 04:48 AM

Or Netflix will get it to you for much much less. :p

Considering the postage fee would be extortionate I very much doubt it.

king mob

11-04-2007, 05:11 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/entertainment_enl_1194095150/img/1.jpg

Errrr, they've ballsed up the Sontarans haven't they.

Mac Danny

11-04-2007, 06:24 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/entertainment_enl_1194095150/img/1.jpg

Errrr, they've ballsed up the Sontarans haven't they.

I'd have to see it in context, but he doesn't look awful. Got a bit of a Weeble head.

Very Shiny head.

Deathstroke

11-04-2007, 06:44 AM

Cool. What was she like?

I really like the D2/Zoe/Jamie team.

Seemed pretty nice.

I only got to meet her going through the mass autograph line at the end of the Con day. I didn't attend her panel as I was doing something else at the same time.

Cyke

11-04-2007, 07:17 AM

I've said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again: that Sontarran is so adorable.

Matt

11-04-2007, 12:31 PM

He's so ... short!

I always thought Sontarans were meant to be huge warrior types...

The Xenos

11-04-2007, 09:06 PM

Well, I finally caught up with season 3. Though a friend kinda spoiled that comment about.. um.. Jack's nickname at the end. I rushed to finished it to not get spoiled any more.

Series 3 is out on DVD on Monday for a stupidly high recomended retail price of 60 quid. A little searching will get it for a more reasonable 45 quid though.

I'm looking at the US release prices and.. wow. $100 really? Sure Amazon has it down to $70, but.. wow. I was going to ask for season 1 (2005) from a cousin and family for Christmas as he was a Doctor Who fan when he was in college. Though if they just get me just that and on sale it might not be too much judging by past gift certificates.

Then again, I complain that even US shows are too expensive. I want to say that they really should lower the price. People want a library of various series and if the prices were lower, I think people would buy. Plus there is simply no standard price. Movies are usually around the same range. Meanwhile, TV shows are a bit all over the place. I guess it's a somewhat new market, but they still seem awfully steep and imported shows are even worse.

Meanwhile, I don't know how bad it is in England. And I don't want to get into Japanese animation. As terrible as buying a series in the US is, the prices in Japan are even worse.

Cyke

11-05-2007, 05:52 AM

He's so ... short!

I always thought Sontarans were meant to be huge warrior types...

It could be a kid Sontaran, with his own little cutesy-wootsy ray gun.

Enigmanaut

11-05-2007, 09:45 AM

He's so ... short!

I always thought Sontarans were meant to be huge warrior types...

Nope. Sontarans are supposed to be short. In their first appearance, the Doctor said that Thomas Hobbes' words best described them: "nasty, brutish and short."

Of course, Hobbes was talking about the life of an uncivilized man, but it's still apt.

king mob

11-06-2007, 11:46 AM

I'm looking at the US release prices and.. wow. $100 really? Sure Amazon has it down to $70, but.. wow. I was going to ask for season 1 (2005) from a cousin and family for Christmas as he was a Doctor Who fan when he was in college. Though if they just get me just that and on sale it might not be too much judging by past gift certificates.

Series 1 is in the sales at a more reasonable 40 quid, but when you can pick something like the first series of Battlestar Galactica for a tenner in the same sales, then you can't help but feel the BBC are taking the piss a tad.

The Xenos

11-06-2007, 10:20 PM

Damn you British people. That's awesome. You pay for stuff in squids. That is awesome. Oh. Wait. Quid. Eh. That doesn't sound as fun. :p

Eh. Oh yeah, I keep saying I need a USB hub and I'm very tempted to get the novely Dr Who Tardis one.

They also have a " Doctor Who Sonic Screwdriver LED Torch". Wow. I didn't know LEDs could shoot actual flame. (Heh. They didn't 'translate' it on Amazon and other US retail sites.)

thehod

11-07-2007, 12:40 PM

Series 1 is in the sales at a more reasonable 40 quid, but when you can pick something like the first series of Battlestar Galactica for a tenner in the same sales, then you can't help but feel the BBC are taking the piss a tad.

I saw series three in HMV for forty quid earlier this week, so it looks as if the BBC have listened to people a little.

mattx110

11-07-2007, 02:47 PM

captain_unimpressive

11-07-2007, 05:32 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/entertainment_enl_1194095150/img/1.jpg

Errrr, they've ballsed up the Sontarans haven't they.

I hate to miss the point, but was that comment supposed to be literal?
Honestly, look at the codpiece on the thing. Look at it!

king mob

11-08-2007, 11:20 AM

I saw series three in HMV for forty quid earlier this week, so it looks as if the BBC have listened to people a little.

I saw that as well. That's what I paid for it from Sendit.com, but I did have to order it bloody months ago.
Only thing is, I have a pile of DVD's to get through now with series three having to sit in a pile that has Peep Show series 4 and the new edition of Life Of Brian. I need to be ill to get through all this I think.

king mob

11-11-2007, 07:51 AM

The Children In Need special is due to be shown between 8-9pm on Friday night.

Sanagi

11-11-2007, 02:03 PM

The Children In Need special is due to be shown between 8-9pm on Friday night.
Normally I wait on new series Dr. Who stuff but I don't think I'll be able to resist watching this on youtube ASAP.

Spike-X

11-11-2007, 11:15 PM

The Children In Need special is due to be shown between 8-9pm on Friday night.
*warms up the satellite controlled magic crystal radio set*

LtMarvel

11-11-2007, 11:15 PM

So which season was the absorbing alien (which attacked a bunch of Doctor's groupies)? It was all-new on BBC America Saturday night.

Spike-X

11-11-2007, 11:18 PM

Season Two, episode 11-ish (I think).

Typo Lad

11-12-2007, 04:33 AM

Pretty sure it was season three. Weren't 1 & 2 both Rose?

mattx110

11-12-2007, 04:59 AM

Pretty sure it was season three. Weren't 1 & 2 both Rose?

It was the episode 10, "David and Billie can only do so much" episode, where the show was about Marc Warren and some other people's lives being effected by the Doctor, of Season 2.

Season 3 had "blink", where most of the Doctor was on a dvd.

Typo Lad

11-12-2007, 05:02 AM

It was the episode 10, "David and Billie can only do so much" episode, where the show was about Marc Warren and some other people's lives being effected by the Doctor, of Season 2.

Season 3 had "blink", where most of the Doctor was on a dvd.
You're right. For some reason I thought it was Martha episode.

"Blink" was some of the best TV I've ever seen.

Sanagi

11-12-2007, 05:17 AM

Something that occurred to me... Doctor #4 is great, and so are most of his companions. Doctor #5 I like, but Tegan is a bringdown pretty much all the way through. Doctor #6 is okay with me, and I'll put up with bad scripts(and wardrobe), but I can't stand Peri. Doctor #7 at his worst I can deal with, but Mel? Even the Rani dressed up as Mel isn't as bad as Mel herself. The new series has made a big deal out of the companion characters, and with good reason.

The Doctor is actor-proof, as Tom Baker once said. It almost doesn't matter who plays the part, as long as they're British, have a distinct appearance, and can act clever and mysterious. The Doctor is automatically interesting no matter what else is going on. The formula of the show and its lead character have survived for decades for this reason. Far more important is getting the companion right, because that's the character the Doctor has to constantly interact with. If the companion is dull, the show is dull. If the companion is sarcastic, the show becomes uncharacteristically negative and unpleasant. If the companion is Mel, the show will test your sanity.

LtMarvel

11-12-2007, 05:38 AM

Thanks. Weird that an episode shown on another network in the US (Sci Fi)can be listed as "All-new" by BBCA.

SPAfreak

11-12-2007, 08:09 AM

"Blink" was some of the best TV I've ever seen.

It's one of the reasons that I heart Moffatt. If he could somehow work Jeff giving the Doctor one of his insane speeches I think that I could die of happiness.

LordEd1976

11-12-2007, 10:39 AM

Normally I wait on new series Dr. Who stuff but I don't think I'll be able to resist watching this on youtube ASAP.

You and me both. Somebody please let me know ASAP when this sucker is on YouTube so I can watch before it gets yanked.

king mob

11-12-2007, 11:09 AM

Normally I wait on new series Dr. Who stuff but I don't think I'll be able to resist watching this on youtube ASAP.

I wouldn't count on it staying up for long. The BBC lawyers will be keeping a very close eye on it on the major site like Youtube and will be getting it pulled asap.
That said; I do expect it to be online but you'll have to search/wait to see it.

The Xenos

11-12-2007, 10:48 PM

I just want to second that Blink was just some amazing TV, period.

Typo Lad

11-14-2007, 04:24 AM

Hnnnh (http://teevieo.com/lily-allen-entering-the-tardis/)

No idea who this is. Anyone know?

SPAfreak

11-14-2007, 08:44 AM

Hnnnh (http://teevieo.com/lily-allen-entering-the-tardis/)

No idea who this is. Anyone know?

Wow. She's done absolutely nothing.

To be fair though, I was never really impressed by the acting skills of Billie Piper or um... Martha. I'd probably be fine with a pleasant speaking voice.

Spike-X

11-14-2007, 11:08 AM

Wow. She's done absolutely nothing.

Apart from come out of nowhere to have a chart-topping album after having built a fan base from the ground up the old fashioned way - word of mouth. And all of that while actually wearing clothes.

I find it highly unlikely that this will actually happen, though.

SPAfreak

11-14-2007, 11:16 AM

Apart from come out of nowhere to have a chart-topping album after having built a fan base from the ground up the old fashioned way - word of mouth. And all of that while actually wearing clothes.

I find it highly unlikely that this will actually happen, though.

Or in terms of acting where she's played two actual parts, neither of which had a name. Billie had more of an acting background.

Not a good singer though. Is Allen any good?

Spike-X

11-14-2007, 11:31 AM

Or in terms of acting where she's played two actual parts, neither of which had a name. Billie had more of an acting background.

Sorry, when you said "absolutely nothing", I thought you meant "absolutely nothing".

Not a good singer though. Is Allen any good?

Very.

Doodle Bob

11-15-2007, 03:08 AM

Wow. She's done absolutely nothing.

Good lord, why don't you at least Google her name before making such an absolutely absurd statement?

It's always amazes me how resentful people get when it is announced that *fill in celebrity name here* might possibly be on Doctor Who.

SPAfreak

11-15-2007, 03:55 AM

Good lord, why don't you at least Google her name before making such an absolutely absurd statement?

It's always amazes me how resentful people get when it is announced that *fill in celebrity name here* might possibly be on Doctor Who.

Or you could finish reading the thread.

Or you could do what I did and look at her imdb profile (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0020770/) and see that she's acted in two no name parts.

Or you could at least finish reading my post where at says as long as she has a good speaking voice I could really care less.

Personally it always amazes me how much people want to get pissed off on the net. Of course I also just took it as read that on a TV/Film board if I say that someone has done nothing that I'd be referring to their acting career. Apparently I was wrong.

Doodle Bob

11-15-2007, 07:52 AM

Personally it always amazes me how much people want to get pissed off on the net. Of course I also just took it as read that on a TV/Film board if I say that someone has done nothing that I'd be referring to their acting career. Apparently I was wrong.

Granted: I am in a somewhat ornery mood today. But, I really am not looking for a fight, it's just that I don't think you realize that your original post already came across as if *you* were pissed off.

I realize now that that's not the case. And I am sorry for getting unnecessarily worked up.

adamthered

11-15-2007, 10:05 AM

If Lily Allen is going to be The Doctor's new companion I'll flip. I love her stuff.

Cyke

11-15-2007, 10:42 AM

My first exposure to her was when she performed on Saturday Night Live.

That's one thing that I miss from the early-80s era. Sure, the skits were horrible and the cast was all but forgettable (save for two), but they would take new acts and thrust them up as the musical guests.

king mob

11-15-2007, 12:57 PM

Hnnnh (http://teevieo.com/lily-allen-entering-the-tardis/)

No idea who this is. Anyone know?

She's rather quite popular, especially with Who's core teenie audience. She's a bit naff live though with a fairly tinny voice, but she was the first real breakthrough act that came out of Myspace, however she's branching out into other things such as acting.

Of course it helps that her dad is Keith Allen.

The article is recycled tabloid rumour & the writer should lay off the 'chav' bollocks.

The Mirrorball Man

11-15-2007, 09:46 PM

I wouldn't count on it staying up for long. The BBC lawyers will be keeping a very close eye on it on the major site like Youtube and will be getting it pulled asap.

The Beeb has a presence on YouTube, maybe they'll post it themselves.

king mob

11-16-2007, 12:26 AM

The Beeb has a presence on YouTube, maybe they'll post it themselves.

They could, or they could stick on their site as they did with the mini-episode two years ago.

Some other rumours about Who is that tonight's episode is definately in continuity due to comments (which can be interpreted as true having listened to them myself last night)Tennant makes on the commentary on the series 3 DVD; David Mitchell is confirmed to replace Tennant; Rhys Ifans is confirmed to replace Tennant; John Simm is confirmed to replace Tennant; Ben Kingsley is Davros; Dennis Hopper is Davros; Patrick Stewart is Davros, and lastly, Captain Jack is back (confirmed by Barrowman himself in the Nottingham Evening Post apparently) in series 4.

As for tonight, the BBC haven't confirmed the exact time for the Who clip outside of it being between 8-9pm. However you can bid for Peter Davison's stick of celery on Ebay. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Celery-Stick-Prop-Signed-by-Peter-Davidson_W0QQitemZ230190394262QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1 8839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) £1100, so far, for a plastic stick of celery!

Typo Lad

11-16-2007, 03:27 AM

That's a lot of replacements.

adamthered

11-16-2007, 09:06 AM

All I know is that the wait between each series is excrutiatingly long :(

king mob

11-16-2007, 10:42 AM

That's a lot of replacements.

That's just the main ones, there's dozens more equally as daft.

The Children In Need special is due to start at 8pm, though it might be late as it apparently follows the Spice Girls calling their segment in from the US.

Kylie is on as well, mmmm, Kylie............

king mob

11-16-2007, 12:07 PM

Good god, the Spice Girls are still bloody awful.

Right, here we go hopefully......

king mob

11-16-2007, 12:14 PM

John Barrowman has an album out?! Bloody hell.

On after Barrowman belts out some Elton John tunes.......

king mob

11-16-2007, 12:29 PM

That was a complete joy, Davison was perfect & they pulled off the aging & continuity (it does indeed take place just before the Titanic crashes through the Tardis wall) thing well.

Anyhow, I won't say any more, the scene is up on the BBC's site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/onthenight/article_doctorwho.shtml

Sanagi

11-16-2007, 03:44 PM

Spike-X

11-16-2007, 03:54 PM

Or, if you want to see it at a decent size, Mad Martha has come through again.

Matt

11-16-2007, 03:55 PM

Spike-X

11-16-2007, 04:04 PM

That was very special.

Enigmanaut

11-16-2007, 05:03 PM

Or, if you want to see it at a decent size, Mad Martha has come through again.

MadMartha rules the Earth.

rick

11-16-2007, 07:26 PM

"Does the Master still have that rubbishy beard"

"No...well, he has a wife"

Best line of the year.

Matt

11-16-2007, 09:56 PM

Personally, I liked the beard.

rick

11-16-2007, 10:02 PM

Personally, I liked the beard.

I liked the beard too, but I also got a kick out of the joke.

Sanagi

11-16-2007, 10:49 PM

Okay, saw it. Total fan service, but still very cool.

Cyke

11-16-2007, 11:32 PM

I think it may be overloaded.
Look for other methods of getting it.

I just watched it and while it's filler fluff, it does actually explain a couple of things.

"I was rebuilding the TARDIS and forgot to put the shields back up."

It's filler fluff, but it was filler fluff with heart. There aren't many other shows who have filler with heart, I have to say. The dialogue when Ten honors Five by going on about how Five was his inspiration was really touching. It's not often when another Doctor gets honored like that.

Spike-X

11-16-2007, 11:34 PM

Personally, I liked the beard.
Me too. I thought she was hot!

Oh, wait...

The Mirrorball Man

11-17-2007, 02:41 AM

Oh goodness. I'll be smiling for the rest of the day then. :)

Now of course there is yet another Doctor on the Titanic, isn't it? Not that I expect to see him, but there is. ;)

king mob

11-17-2007, 03:29 AM

It's filler fluff, but it was filler fluff with heart. There aren't many other shows who have filler with heart, I have to say. The dialogue when Ten honors Five by going on about how Five was his inspiration was really touching. It's not often when another Doctor gets honored like that.

It's fanwank for charity & the plot (what there was of it) was pointless as it was just about getting Davison & Tennant together. It was nice to see Davison get honoured like that, especially as when the programme returned most hacks stuck with the incorrect idea that after Tom Baker left the programme went into an instant decline.

I only wish I hadn't sat through John Barrowman belting out showtunes though, urrghhh.

Sean Whitmore

11-17-2007, 04:54 AM

It's filler fluff, but it was filler fluff with heart. There aren't many other shows who have filler with heart, I have to say. The dialogue when Ten honors Five by going on about how Five was his inspiration was really touching. It's not often when another Doctor gets honored like that.

Agreed on all points. That was a really sweet moment.

And a big ol' thankyew to YouTube, (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22true+modern+day+robin+hood%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) fightin' the system like a true modern-day Robin Hood.

SEAN

adamthered

11-17-2007, 06:55 AM

That was really fun. Finally caught it this morning. The beard joke had me rolling.

Cyke

11-17-2007, 07:17 AM

It's fanwank for charity & the plot (what there was of it) was pointless as it was just about getting Davison & Tennant together. It was nice to see Davison get honoured like that, especially as when the programme returned most hacks stuck with the incorrect idea that after Tom Baker left the programme went into an instant decline.

I approach it as if it were one of those mini comic strips from the 80s where it was after the main story but still fun to read nonetheless.

I only wish I hadn't sat through John Barrowman belting out showtunes though, urrghhh.

Everything has a price, buddy.

Arune Singh

11-18-2007, 08:12 AM

I was reminded of those Zero Hour tie-ins where Robin met Robin, Superboy met Superboy, etc and it didn't change much...but it was damn fun. If, at the end of the day, I was entertained, what more could I ask for?

TCJohnson

11-18-2007, 08:54 AM

If anybody is still having trouble watching it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BfL-ZjLL-Tg

mattx110

11-18-2007, 10:15 AM

It's fanwank for charity & the plot (what there was of it) was pointless as it was just about getting Davison & Tennant together. It was nice to see Davison get honoured like that, especially as when the programme returned most hacks stuck with the incorrect idea that after Tom Baker left the programme went into an instant decline.

I only wish I hadn't sat through John Barrowman belting out showtunes though, urrghhh.

I can't believe Tennant wasn't crying by the end of it. Not Barrowman singing... although I like him. What's wrong with his singing?
But when he got to "you doctor, are my doctor" or something like that... the eight year old inside of him was probably going insane.

Cyke

11-18-2007, 11:35 AM

I can't believe Tennant wasn't crying by the end of it. Not Barrowman singing... although I like him. What's wrong with his singing?
But when he got to "you doctor, are my doctor" or something like that... the eight year old inside of him was probably going insane.

I know, heck yeah. And either Davison's a pretty good actor, or you could see his heart melt with intense, well-deserved honor from Tenant's delivery.

That's one thing I'll love about NuWho as opposed to other movies or shows that reboot or continue original stories: NuWho treats OldWho with reverence and respect, not as if it were some sort of crutch or a burden.

Magneto_X

11-18-2007, 11:46 AM

Since Davison has guest-starred I wonder if they'll give Nyssa a cameo. The actress still looks the same! lol

Plus Nyssa's a bad ass! :D

tricksterpup

11-18-2007, 01:14 PM

I only wish I hadn't sat through John Barrowman belting out showtunes though, urrghhh.

After all he is a gay American, its in his blood.

Deathstroke

11-18-2007, 01:29 PM

If anybody is still having trouble watching it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BfL-ZjLL-Tg

Thanks.

That was BRILLIANT!

Puma

11-18-2007, 04:16 PM

I can't believe Tennant wasn't crying by the end of it...
But when he got to "you doctor, are my doctor" or something like that... the eight year old inside of him was probably going insane.

The trainers and glasses reference was fantastic.

TCJohnson

11-18-2007, 09:51 PM

Two minutes to Belgium!

Justin Davis

11-19-2007, 12:21 AM

That was incredibly fun. Although I'd love to see a full episode with those two interacting (the sniping while constantly congratulating each other/himself for a brilliant idea could be great), that was the perfect little sidebar.

Can the Christmas special air now, please?

drwho

11-19-2007, 06:33 AM

IT is really hard for me to picture captain jack as the character he is in Torchwood knowing he really is a male version of liza minelli. :p

Cyke

11-19-2007, 06:37 AM

IT is really hard for me to picture captain jack as the character he is in Torchwood knowing he really is a male version of liza minelli. :p

Really? Well, this factoid should be a kick in the pants, then:

James Bond was once the Master's lover:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0119577/

The Mirrorball Man

11-19-2007, 08:36 AM

That was incredibly fun. Although I'd love to see a full episode with those two interacting (the sniping while constantly congratulating each other/himself for a brilliant idea could be great)
Actually I think that despite the original friction, those two are by far the two incarnations of the Doctor who got along the best with each other.

TCJohnson

11-19-2007, 10:10 AM

Actually I think that despite the original friction, those two are by far the two incarnations of the Doctor who got along the best with each other.

IT is funny....usually you have the older versions of the Doctor giving the newer version their approval (3 Doctors, 5 Doctors)...in this one you have the newer version giving the older one his approval. It was a nice touch.

LordEd1976

11-19-2007, 12:03 PM

Did they ever explain where exactly the 5th Doctor came from? the 10th Doctor did ask about Nyssa and Tegan but the 5th never said where he was before being pulled into the 10th's TARDIS.

Oh well, no biggie.I still loved it. Great job done by both Doctors. Also loved the use of the Cloyster Bell. We need that sound effect back.

Matt

11-19-2007, 12:44 PM

The cloister bell could be heard at the end of the last season, as the TARDIS struggled with being a paradox machine.

Tadhg Adams

11-19-2007, 03:24 PM

The Sonic Screwdriver crack made my nerdself joyful. Take that JNT.

Deathstroke

11-19-2007, 04:40 PM

Is it any wonder the scene came off so damn well? I mean it was written by Moffatt after all, how could it not be great?

IamtheRock3

11-19-2007, 05:34 PM

it good cause I never saw a single episode with that doctor in it

(started who during it scifi run)

let still could enjoy it.

Sanagi

11-19-2007, 10:39 PM

I really like the 5th Doctor even though his companions are all either whiny or badly written(or both).

The Mirrorball Man

11-20-2007, 05:38 AM

Is it any wonder the scene came off so damn well? I mean it was written by Moffatt after all, how could it not be great?

I agree, though I wouldn't like it if every Doctor Who story were as continuity-laden as "Time Crash". I love it when Doctor Who stays accessible for a wide audience, and I hate it when it becomes fannish and insular.

ChrisIII

11-20-2007, 05:42 AM

For those curious about the Fifth Doctor, the stories "Earthshock" and "Caves of Androzani" are probably the most popular from his era.

king mob

11-20-2007, 12:07 PM

I really like the 5th Doctor even though his companions are all either whiny or badly written(or both).

To be fair only Adric was a complete mistake as the idea was to make Davison's Doctor a schoolmaster/head prefect figure. Nyssa was ok but often ened up standing there doing nowt; Tegan was great but so badly written it hurt; Turlough was a nice idea but suffered from poor scripts, while Peri would have worked better without the American accent, which was only there in order to pander to the popularity of Who in America at the time.

Davison did get a crap deal with scripts, but his third year was mainly excellent with Caves Of Androzanni being one on the best bits of Who ever.

lonewolf23k

11-20-2007, 03:05 PM

Deathstroke

11-20-2007, 03:17 PM

One bit I liked from Time Crash was the whole "You changed the Desktop Theme!" bit.

Perfect explanation as to why the TARDIS' insides have changed appearance over the years. And it makes perfect sense, too. If the Chameleon Circuit can change the TARDIS' outside, why can't there be a similar system for the INSIDE?

I liked the whole thing about the wearing of the decorative vegetable.

Best thing though was the fanboy dream for David Tennant getting to say all that at the end of the scene to HIS Doctor. You can't top that.

Cyke

11-20-2007, 03:22 PM

Best thing though was the fanboy dream for David Tennant getting to say all that at the end of the scene to HIS Doctor. You can't top that.

I've watched the clip on youtube enough times to notice that when Tenant goes 'You were MY Doctor,' you could see the back of Davison's shoulders perk up. I'm pretty sure that was pride and that he was touched.

Sanagi

11-20-2007, 06:43 PM

For those curious about the Fifth Doctor, the stories "Earthshock" and "Caves of Androzani" are probably the most popular from his era.
And both are overrated. The Cybermen in Earthshock are so lame it's not even funny. Meanwhile, Androzani is an intriguingly different style of episode but Peri is just too annoying for me to reccomend it.

I'm more partial to Mawdryn Undead, Kinda, and Snakedance.

Captain Jim

11-21-2007, 06:23 PM

Lots of fun. Hopefully this will be included in the season 4 DVD set.

king mob

11-23-2007, 02:35 PM

Eclips0

11-25-2007, 08:29 PM

I liked the whole thing about the wearing of the decorative vegetable.

Best thing though was the fanboy dream for David Tennant getting to say all that at the end of the scene to HIS Doctor. You can't top that.

I know, I think the emotion there was too real to be acting. I really wish they had at least given them an episode out of it.

Tobias March

11-26-2007, 01:22 AM

Verity Lambert, the first producer of the programme died yesterday, nearly 44 years to the day after Doctor Who first started.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/23/television1?gusrc=rss&feed=media

Sad to hear, I read an interview with her some years ago. She was a very active presence in the show.

Spike-X

11-26-2007, 01:30 AM

It was a nice touch when they mentioned Doctor John Smith's mother, Verity, in the Human Nature/Family Of Blood two-parter.

king mob

11-26-2007, 08:26 AM

Sad to hear, I read an interview with her some years ago. She was a very active presence in the show.

She laid out the template of the programme & you have to respect that, and her incredible CV of programmes since she left Who. I never realised that she worked on half the things she did.

Changing the subject to something happier; David Tennant is interviewing Kylie on Radio 2 tomorrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/doc_xaminingkylie.shtml

Pro

11-26-2007, 08:51 AM

Great little scene. Loved the reference to the Master's beard.

"No, no beard anymore .. well a wife".

TCJohnson

11-26-2007, 12:19 PM

And both are overrated. The Cybermen in Earthshock are so lame it's not even funny. Meanwhile, Androzani is an intriguingly different style of episode but Peri is just too annoying for me to reccomend it.

I'm more partial to Mawdryn Undead, Kinda, and Snakedance.

While I don't completely disagree with you (I liked Earthshock but REALLY like Mawdryn Undead, Kinda and Snakedance) none of the ones you listed are yet available on DVD. Of the ones on DVD from Davidson's era, Earthshock and Caves are two of the best.

Sanagi

11-26-2007, 03:09 PM

While I don't completely disagree with you (I liked Earthshock but REALLY like Mawdryn Undead, Kinda and Snakedance) none of the ones you listed are yet available on DVD. Of the ones on DVD from Peterson's era, Earthshock and Caves are two of the best.
They still haven't released Mawdryn Undead on DVD? Frown.

The Mirrorball Man

11-26-2007, 07:45 PM

They still haven't released Mawdryn Undead on DVD? Frown.

Some of the jewels of the crown have yet to be released. They still haven't released "The War Games" or "Frontier in Space".

mattx110

11-26-2007, 07:56 PM

She laid out the template of the programme & you have to respect that, and her incredible CV of programmes since she left Who. I never realised that she worked on half the things she did.

Changing the subject to something happier; David Tennant is interviewing Kylie on Radio 2 tomorrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/doc_xaminingkylie.shtml
With a spider-man shirt... I hate that man! How does he get away with this stuff?

Popgun

11-27-2007, 05:37 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7114699.stm

king mob

11-27-2007, 05:58 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7114699.stm

Well that means the Davros rumours are true.

Captain Jim

11-27-2007, 06:12 AM

Well that means the Davros rumours are true.

How so? (Sorry, I'm not seeing the connection.)

king mob

11-27-2007, 06:20 AM

How so? (Sorry, I'm not seeing the connection.)

One of the redtops (can't remember which right now) has been incredibly accurate in regards it's rumours. They got the Kylie story, they got the series taking a break in 2008, they got Captain Jack returning and they've been saying that Rose would come back in a storyline where she helps the Doctor fight Davros.

Of course the forthcoming Davros DVD boxset is another huge hint.

Deathstroke

11-27-2007, 04:09 PM

In the word of Christopher Eccleston....FANTASTIC!

DHX

11-27-2007, 05:26 PM

In the word of Christopher Eccleston....FANTASTIC!

in the words of emo-kin vader

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!:(

The Xenos

11-27-2007, 05:45 PM

This past Thanksgiving was interesting. I was over an older cousin's house. I'd only recently gotten into Doctor Who, these new seasons. Meanwhile, he's been a fan for decades. He showed me this neat book from the early 80s, a little after I was born. Not only was it interesting, he also had a bunch of signatures from various doctors. From like #2 to 5 and I think 7. Though the book only went up to number 5, Peter Davidson. Aside from that, it was interesting to see a number of articles and how it displayed the fandom.

Deathstroke

11-28-2007, 04:22 AM

in the words of emo-kin vader

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!:(

Ummmm...that's one word stretched out. :D

Toku King

11-28-2007, 08:46 AM

I just saw "Time Crash". Definitely a great moment for all "Doctor Who" fans. And I loved how they both stayed completely in character.

rick

11-28-2007, 08:52 AM

It's going to be cool to see Rose again, but I bet it will end up being a bit of a soap opera.

Cyke

11-28-2007, 10:28 AM

It's going to be cool to see Rose again, but I bet it will end up being a bit of a soap opera.

Y'know what would be the quickest way to resolve that soap opera?

"Mrs. Rose Smith."

Done and done.

Enigmanaut

11-28-2007, 08:13 PM

I think the 9th Doctor must have sat for Jacques-Louis David (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques-Louis_David) as Brutus in his painting of The Lictors Bring to Brutus the Bodies of His Sons (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/David_Brutus.jpg).

I mean, the likeness to Eccleston is downright eerie, yet this was painted in 1789.

Here's a comparison image I made of a clear version I found:

http://www.enigmanaut.com/9docbrutus.jpg

Am I seeing things, or is that the spitting image of CE?

The Mirrorball Man

11-28-2007, 08:32 PM

Y'know what would be the quickest way to resolve that soap opera?

"Mrs. Rose Smith."

Done and done.

Does she marry Mickey Smith or John Smith?

mattx110

11-28-2007, 09:00 PM

Does she marry Mickey Smith or John Smith?
It's an accepting society, Sarah-Jane Smith.

Cyke

11-28-2007, 11:51 PM

It's an accepting society, Sarah-Jane Smith.

Good God, she's almost twenty years older than Jackie.

The Mirrorball Man

11-29-2007, 12:45 AM

It's an accepting society, Sarah-Jane Smith.

Does Martha Jones get to marry Harriet Jones?

Stony

11-29-2007, 01:40 AM

So, they're repeating "Casanova" down here next week which I'm quite looking forward to.

For those of you criminally unaware, "Casanova" was a two-part series written by Russell T Davies and starring David Tennant. Tennant's portrayal of the sensuous but selfish genius is so good that I was initially unimpressed by Tennant's Who simply because he wasn't Casanova.
The story in the show is framed by my favourite actor, Peter O'Toole as the older Casanova narrating.

Which got me thinking...

What If?

In "The Sound of the Drums" where the Master ages up Dr Who... what if instead of having Tennant made-up to look old, he turns into... Peter O'Toole?
Imagine it... O'Whoole!

But then, that would have been it! The end of the show! The Blonde Lion would have simply roared and the John Simm-Master would have just shrivelled up and that would be the end of the series!

Unless... we had O'Whoole vs. the Jacobi-Master...

But that would have just been too much for us mere mortals to cope with. Galaxies... would have exploded!

*explodes now at the mere thought of it*

king mob

11-29-2007, 04:43 AM

Casanova was brilliant television & showed just how good RTD was as a TV drama writer. It is one of the best things you'll see, really, it's wonderful.

Which is why he needs to leave Who in order to do more drama of that quality. Rose coming back is just another thing that makes me worry about series 4.

The Mirrorball Man

11-29-2007, 07:33 AM

Which is why he needs to leave Who in order to do more drama of that quality. Rose coming back is just another thing that makes me worry about series 4.

I've watched again pretty much every single Doctor Who story I have on DVD (which is a lot), stories from every era, with every actor, in any kind of genre, etc. And in my humble opinion, series 3/29 was, if not the best, the most consistently good Doctor Who season since 1963. Honestly, I'm not worried at all about series 4.

Enigmanaut

11-29-2007, 08:36 AM

Well, I'm happy about Rose's return, and it inspired me to do a drawink.

http://www.enigmanaut.com/badwolf2.jpg

Captain Jim

11-29-2007, 09:22 PM

Isn't it possible that Rose is going to be taken from a point in time before she got stuck in that alternate dimension?

mattx110

11-29-2007, 09:42 PM

Isn't it possible that Rose is going to be taken from a point in time before she got stuck in that alternate dimension?
Then there would be less torchwood and nobody wants that!

Sanagi

11-29-2007, 10:54 PM

Isn't it possible that Rose is going to be taken from a point in time before she got stuck in that alternate dimension?
I hope so. That would suck less.

Enigmanaut

11-30-2007, 09:23 AM

But isn't that the kind of thing that, when applied to Captain Mar-Vell, was called a lame copout?

king mob

11-30-2007, 12:45 PM

I've watched again pretty much every single Doctor Who story I have on DVD (which is a lot), stories from every era, with every actor, in any kind of genre, etc. And in my humble opinion, series 3/29 was, if not the best, the most consistently good Doctor Who season since 1963. Honestly, I'm not worried at all about series 4.

No, it wasn't, don't just go from what has been released so far on DVD. I've seen pretty much every story since the second year of Jon Pertwee and series 3 of the new series is good & it's the most consistant (partly due to the lack of the drawn out Rose soap opera) of the new series, but it does pale compared to some years of the ogiginal series. Especially the Philip Hinchcliffe years which were just wonderful.

Matt

11-30-2007, 08:28 PM

This just needs to be shared.
From Doctor Who and the Pirates, sung by Colin Baker.

I-iiiiiiiii--am the very model of a Gallifreyan Buccaneer.
I've information on all things a Gallifreyan holds most dear.
I've linked into the Matrix through its exitonic circuitry,
I understand dimensional and relative chronometry.
I'm very well acquainted too with matters of the Capitol,
I'll give you verse and chapter on Panopticonian protocol,
I've been into the Death Zone and I've played the Game of Rassilon--
(Rassilon? Assilon, Bassilon-- ah ha!)
With pestilential monsters that I got alot of hassle from!

[With pestilential monsters that he got alot of hassle from!
With pestilential monsters that he got alot of hassle from!!
With pestilential monsters that he got alot of hassle-assle from!!!]

I understand each language and I speak every vernacular.
I’ll conjugate each verb obscure, decline each line irregular.
In short in every matter that a Gallifreyan holds most dear,
I am the very model of a Gallifreyan Buccaneer.

[In short in every matter that a Gallifreyan holds most dear,
he is the very model of a Gallifreyan Buccaneer!]

I've tackled shady Castellans with devious behavior.
I've sparred with Time Lord chancellors like Thalia, Goth or Flavia.
In fact on some occasions I