WHY do they keep having Superman Vs Captain Marvel?

[Typo Lad]

So the Big Red Cheese is coming to JLU. Guess what the premise is?

G'wan...guess.

Episode title is "The Clash" and he clashes with Superman.

This whole Marvel/Supes fighting thing pre-dates Kingdom Come, and just keeps happening over and over and over.

Am I the only one bored of it?

[JeffreyWKramer]

The problem comes from a) shoving two characters who are very similar into the same universe for no good reason, and b) a lack of imagination on the part of the writers. The only thing they can come up with as a grounds for comparing the two characters is "who would win in a fight."

[Justin Davis]

Actually, if you want to take a somwhat intellectual look at it, you could say it's a constant battle of the role of science vs. magic (or supernatural) in the world of fiction, especially science fiction or even superhero fiction. Superman obviously being the science and Captain Marvel being the magic. Which is the one people are more drawn to and why? What dynamic has more believability behind it? More hope? More creativity? More originality? More of an application to real world events, circumstances, and attitudes?

Of course, that's if you want to take an intellectual look at two guys pummeling each other repeatedly over the last 50 or so years.

Which can be done.






Yeah, I know.

[Glaucon]

Very cool take on Captain Marvel vs Superman Justin. I was just wondering why you would use Superman for an allegory for science? Do you mean because of the way he gets his power from the sun? Photosynthesis super-powers? ;)

[Lurker]

Why?

$$$, that's why.

To throw some fub into this, shouldn't Marvel always pummel Supes since he's magic based and magic is one of Clark's only two weaknesses.

FYI, DC got the rights to the Big Red Cheese after winnning a court case against Fawcett Comics claiming he was a rip-off of the Man of the Steel. That's why two similar characters are in the same universe. Of course, that doesn't explain the Martian Manhunter.

[lonewolf23k]

It dates all the way back to the original DC/Fawcett rivalry involving their characters... And it's stayed as a rivalry between the characters.

[Blueferret]

Why?

$$$, that's why.

To throw some fub into this, shouldn't Marvel always pummel Supes since he's magic based and magic is one of Clark's only two weaknesses.

FYI, DC got the rights to the Big Red Cheese after winnning a court case against Fawcett Comics claiming he was a rip-off of the Man of the Steel. That's why two similar characters are in the same universe. Of course, that doesn't explain the Martian Manhunter.

I took the jamming quote as a refernce to Crisis.

[Mister Mets]

I loved their first battle...
In the pages of Mad Magazine's Superduperman story.

[cactusmaac]

Why?

$$$, that's why.

To throw some fub into this, shouldn't Marvel always pummel Supes since he's magic based and magic is one of Clark's only two weaknesses.

FYI, DC got the rights to the Big Red Cheese after winnning a court case against Fawcett Comics claiming he was a rip-off of the Man of the Steel. That's why two similar characters are in the same universe. Of course, that doesn't explain the Martian Manhunter.

It's magic-based but that doesn't mean he's throwing magic at Supes.

It's like if Iron Man throws a rock using the power of his armour and Thor throws a rock using his magic.

What matters is that the rock is coming toward you not what the source of propulsion is.

Marvel can punch Supes but it's the strength of the punches themselves that hurt not that they're powered by magic.

Personally I'd love to see Marvel whaling on Supes and then Big Blue turning the tables by calling in his team of Super-Lawyers. :)

[Kid Seven]

I can never think of Superman vs. Captain Marvel without thinking of the excellent and hilarious "Captain Marbles vs. Superduperman" story published by Mad fifty years ago. Their best fight, seriously.

[mgs]

Actually, if you want to take a somwhat intellectual look at it, you could say it's a constant battle of the role of science vs. magic (or supernatural) in the world of fiction, especially science fiction or even superhero fiction. Superman obviously being the science and Captain Marvel being the magic. Which is the one people are more drawn to and why? What dynamic has more believability behind it? More hope? More creativity? More originality? More of an application to real world events, circumstances, and attitudes?

Of course, that's if you want to take an intellectual look at two guys pummeling each other repeatedly over the last 50 or so years.

Which can be done.






Yeah, I know.
heh. :)
yeah, I agree, with this, and honestly, besides the whole Kingdon Come thing, I have never really seen any other times these two have battled.

now, what I'm REALLY sick of, is, Batman v. Superman. That, I could do without. ;)

*wonders why everyone battles Superman*

[Kid Seven]

Jealousy....


....not just ANYONE can do that spitcurl after all. ;-)

[Grant]

So the Big Red Cheese is coming to JLU. Guess what the premise is?

G'wan...guess.

Episode title is "The Clash" and he clashes with Superman.

This whole Marvel/Supes fighting thing pre-dates Kingdom Come, and just keeps happening over and over and over.

Am I the only one bored of it?

Cuz, comics are all about big muscle men pounding the crap out of each other.

[Lurker]

Cuz, comics are all about big muscle men pounding the crap out of each other.

Dude's gotta point there.

[vantheman77]

Besides, it's tradition to have Superman vs. Captain Marvel. Do you think you'd have a JLU episode without that?

[Sanagi]

I would prefer to see Cap have his own story rather than one that pits him against Supes. Still, it'll probably be cool.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

It's magic-based but that doesn't mean he's throwing magic at Supes.

It's like if Iron Man throws a rock using the power of his armour and Thor throws a rock using his magic.

What matters is that the rock is coming toward you not what the source of propulsion is.

Marvel can punch Supes but it's the strength of the punches themselves that hurt not that they're powered by magic.

Personally I'd love to see Marvel whaling on Supes and then Big Blue turning the tables by calling in his team of Super-Lawyers. :)

I agree. Marvel being a magic-powered being, doesn't mean that he'll beat Superman.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Besides, it's tradition to have Superman vs. Captain Marvel. Do you think you'd have a JLU episode without that?

You have a point there.It's one of the most sacred traditions in superhero comics.

[Typo Lad]

It'd be fun if we hadn't seen it a THOUSAND times. I'm so sick of it.

[Smokey]

i agree this is played out, ill be severely upset if in JLU they have marvel coming out on top(never know with Timm) cuz everytime theyve fought, its been superman who in the end prevails, even with his deus ex machina of a magical weakness..towards the end of their fight marvels magic lightning was effecting him less and less, so this shouldnt really be a factor..i just dont want it done poorly

[marshal99]

Superman vs Captain Marvel is like Hulk vs Thing or Thor vs Hulk , it's a time honored tradition thing. A good old fashion superhero slugfest.

[Reptisaurus!]

FYI, DC got the rights to the Big Red Cheese after winnning a court case against Fawcett Comics claiming he was a rip-off of the Man of the Steel. That's why two similar characters are in the same universe. Of course, that doesn't explain the Martian Manhunter.

Almost. :)

DC (or whatever the hell it was called back then) didn't actually win the suit. The Fawcett folks settled in 1953 deciding it wasn't worth it to keep publishing their superhero comics, which weren't selling all that well at the time anyway.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Superman vs Captain Marvel is like Hulk vs Thing or Thor vs Hulk , it's a time honored tradition thing. A good old fashion superhero slugfest.

Yeah. Just like any annual sports world championship, say, Super Bowl or something like that.

[Hulkamaniac]

its classic and it'll always be rewritten a million times over because of that.
classic feuds and rivalries, team-ups and conflict will always be the subject of countless story arcs and rewrites. This also allows for new readers to jump on and enjoy a story in their timeframe. And the #1 reason, IT SELLS COMICS DUH! :D

[west3man]

I LOVE seeing them in the same story. Having them fight IS a tradition, but so is having every superhero fight another.

Supes and Cap M HAVE fought a good number of times in the past, but the outcome is, of course, determined by who's writing and how. The way I see it, reading a Supes vs. Cap M tale by Chuck Austen is going to be different than one by Mark Waid is going to be different than one by Mark Millar is going to be different than one by Alan Moore... and so on... and so on...

So, as long as it's not shown the same way, I don't have a problem with it. Also, I dig the characters so much that I have a high tolerance for their stories.

[Punkrawk]

I love the Marvel characters but Captain Marvel should be put to rest by Superman. It shouldn't even be a question that DC's main character would be defeated by a 2nd or 3rd string Marvel character? Go Superman! I say Superman should kill off Captain Marvel and move onto something new. What's next a Daredevil vs. Batman series?

[Alan2099]

Punk, are you joking or do you just have no clue what anyone is talking about?

People are talking about the SHAZAM version of captain Marvel. He is a DC character. He's NEVER been a marvel character. He's actually been MORE popular than Superman during his heyday.

Also, the idea that somebody should win just because they're more popular is a horrible idea.

[Master Darque]

I love the Marvel characters but Captain Marvel should be put to rest by Superman. It shouldn't even be a question that DC's main character would be defeated by a 2nd or 3rd string Marvel character? Go Superman! I say Superman should kill off Captain Marvel and move onto something new. What's next a Daredevil vs. Batman series?

Uh ....you're getting the Marvel Comics version http://ourworld.cs.com/Jacksayow55/FC+Captain+Marvel+2.0.JPG
mixed up with the
DC version ....http://www.leconcombre.com/serials/capmarv/Captain-Marvel-figure.jpg

And Smokey ...for the last time ....Marvel will CREEEEEEAM Supes .

[Smokey]

marvel hasnt creamed supes yet, in kingdom come he eventually lost to superman..and he was somewhat holding back