Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion Fun Thread!

[Dark Soul # 7]

So? Until she actually does something(besides, y'know, faint), she'll be stuck with nothing but wet dreams of her and Naruto for the rest of her life (unless she decides to hook with Kiba or Shino). Considering how manga's going, Sakura is clearly going to become Naruto's woman( It's what he deserves after all:)).How do you figure that. They're becoming better friends yes but it's nothing really loving between them.

She's still in love with Sasuke, she even calls him kun and all, not Naruto. Besides the story ain't over until it's over. And I'm certain that in the end the NaruHina lovers of the world will give a shout of triumph.

[Len Ikari145]

How do you figure that. They're becoming better friends yes but it's nothing really loving between them.

She's still in love with Sasuke, she even calls him kun and all, not Naruto. Besides the story ain't over until it's over. And I'm certain that in the end the NaruHina lovers of the world will give a shout of triumph.

Eh, I'm not too optimistic about Naru/Hina being possible anymore; that and when I honestly think about it, it seems like a rather dullard pairing; sure, Hinata's the only one to give Naruto kudos and loves him, but in a relationship, Naruto will always have to hold himself back around for fear of hurting her feelings or something. That just doesn't seem right, but we'll just have to agree to disagree, eh?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Eh, I'm not too optimistic about Naru/Hina being possible anymore; that and when I honestly think about it, it seems like a rather dullard pairing; sure, Hinata's the only one to give Naruto kudos and loves him, but in a relationship, Naruto will always have to hold himself back around for fear of hurting her feelings or something. That just doesn't seem right, but we'll just have to agree to disagree, eh?Sure, why not.

The series is all about becoming more then you are. Everybody is growing, or has grown emotionally. So will Hinata, who obviously still loves the blonde dofus after a 2.5 year Naruto hiatus.

I also believe that the two can bring out qulities in each other that will make them better persons.

But then again my favorite Naruto couple is GaaSaku, so what do I know.:rolleyes:

[Gladiaria_Alata]

Something just occurred to me. We've had some glimpses into the family lives of the other Konoha wunder-rookies, but as far as I recall very little has been established about Sakura's family. Is that an odd omission?

It could be that they are civilians and Sakura is the first ninja in the family?

[Len Ikari145]

Sure, why not.

The series is all about becoming more then you are. Everybody is growing, or has grown emotionally. So will Hinata, who obviously still loves the blonde dofus after a 2.5 year Naruto hiatus.

I also believe that the two can bring out qulities in each other that will make them better persons.

But then again my favorite Naruto couple is GaaSaku, so what do I know.:rolleyes:

And my favorite coupling (outside of NaruSaku and NaruHina) is Naru/Tayuya so I say we're even.:D

[sehthan]

It could be that they are civilians and Sakura is the first ninja in the family?

That coud be. I doubt that there's anything significant about not having seen them, it just struck me that I can't even remember a scene of Sakura at home with the family or anything, and we've seen family members of several of the other characters. Eh.

[apple pro]

just read 332... yup, this series should be re-named "Shikamaru"

[Sheldon]

I'm enjoying Shika's chance to shine...but it makes me worry that he's gonna get maimed or something.

[Len Ikari145]

I'm enjoying Shika's chance to shine...but it makes me worry that he's gonna get maimed or something.
Yeah, I have this fear the series is going to be set into a pattern of "I finally got to do something significant to Naruto 2's plotline! These are the happiest chapters of my fictional existence! "

*BAM!* *BAM!* *BAM!*


Masashi(nonchalantly blowing away the smoke from his revolver and goes to prep the next "hero")

:p The dick...

[apple pro]

Ino may die, The fat one may die — Shika is waaaay too loved to die. Besides, they just killed someone from their team.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Ino may die, The fat one may die — Shika is waaaay too loved to die. Besides, they just killed someone from their team.Nah, they got Kakashi to back them up and team seven is on the way to help save their asses.

I don't think anoybody is going to die this time around.

[Sheldon]

You'd think that Deidara would warn them about Kakashi too. But then again I'm sure Kakuzu and Hidan will already know a bunch about him.

[Dark Soul # 7]

You'd think that Deidara would warn them about Kakashi too. But then again I'm sure Kakuzu and Hidan will already know a bunch about him.That or Deidara's an asshole.
I'm gonna go with asshole, because it's funny.

[Sheldon]

I guess if Hidan didn't start calling Deidara an amateur after having both of his arms blown off, Deidara may have told them some more stuff.

I love how Kakuzu makes fun of Hidan.

[apple pro]

I like Naruto much better when it's less "let's save the traitor who never liked us" and more "let's save our village" type plotlines.

[Lord Darkwolf]

Poor poor Nibi .... killing a cat girl is such a crime .

[Sheldon]

The cat girl served her purpose...I'm sure she lives on in fanfics...

[Dark Soul # 7]

I like Naruto much better when it's less "let's save the traitor who never liked us" and more "let's save our village" type plotlines.then wouldn't it be better if they wrapped that storyline up s owe could have more of the other kind?

Personally I love all of Naruto, but I would love it more if it had more Gaara in it.

[apple pro]

i'd prefer it if they ridded themselves of "let's save sasuke" and replaced it with "let's hunt Sasuke down because he's a filthy traitor". THEN it makes sense and the possibilities are awesome.

Sasuke IMO was perhaps not a bad person at first but he never reciprocated the same emotions naruto and sukara had for him. It makes me cringe to see naruto try to save a jerk-face who doesn't give a damn.

[Dark Soul # 7]

i'd prefer it if they ridded themselves of "let's save sasuke" and replaced it with "let's hunt Sasuke down because he's a filthy traitor". THEN it makes sense and the possibilities are awesome.

Sasuke IMO was perhaps not a bad person at first but he never reciprocated the same emotions naruto and sukara had for him. It makes me cringe to see naruto try to save a jerk-face who doesn't give a damn.Well that's Naruto for you. He considers Sasuke a friend and he will do anything to help his friends.

Besides, I choose to believe that Sasuke is just playing an act, at least somewhat. He believes that he needs a special kind of power to kill his brother, a power he won't get from Konoha or his friends because they will try to deter him from the revenge path. It could be that he wants them to hate him so that they won't try to get him away from thoughts of hunting down his brother.

But then again, I'm an optimist who refuses to call Sasuke "jerkface". He does however deserve to get his arms and legs broken for awhile, and a good smack in the face from Naruto. It worked wonders for Neji and Gaara.

[Sheldon]

Kishi is just making us all hate Sasuke and then when he has his moment when he realizes that friendship is more important, and then sacrifices himself to save Naruto from Orochimaru, we will all weep, sob and shake our fists in the air in anguish after his demise.

[apple pro]

sheldon — that is not a bad guess but it still would not work as I think the fundamental "love" was never there in the first place. however, i'm willing to see how kishimoto plays with time. if this series goes a 100+ volumes then by that time the situation may change but as of right now... jerkface is a jerkface.

[R Krippler]

Personally I love all of Naruto, but I would love it more if it had more Gaara in it.
Yeah I wanna see what Gaara can do without the 1-tail. I mean he's the freakin Kazekage for Heavens sake

[Dark Soul # 7]

Yeah I wanna see what Gaara can do without the 1-tail. I mean he's the freakin Kazekage for Heavens sakeHe's probably kinda re-learning how to control the sand with his relativly limited charka amount, and hopefully some taijutsu.

But I'm not worried, the kid is seriously a fast learner.

[Hiromi]

Shukaku didn't handle everything, in fact the sand auto shield was about the only thing it handled, and thus it didn't drain his chakra, the sand armor for instance was something Gaara did himself.

[Dark Soul # 7]

But didn't the Shukaku give Gaara an extra amount of chakra, like the kyuubi does for Naruto?

[apple pro]

Yeah I wanna see what Gaara can do without the 1-tail. I mean he's the freakin Kazekage for Heavens sake


the most powerful ninja in Naruto-verse do not have demons providing power for them.

akatsuki members, orochimaru, sasuke, kakashi, shikamaru, the 4th, 5th and 6th and jimbaiya (or whetever) do not have demons providing chakra for them.

[Dark Soul # 7]

the most powerful ninja in Naruto-verse do not have demons providing power for them.

akatsuki members, orochimaru, sasuke, kakashi, shikamaru, the 4th, 5th and 6th and jimbaiya (or whetever) do not have demons providing chakra for them.Deidara isn't that powerful, he defeated Gaara by being smart more than anything.
Sasori was a freak in his own.
There's something freaky with most of the akatsuki members to be honest.
Orochimaru makes experiments and switches to bodies that are more powerful.
Sasuke isn't really all that powerful yet.
Itachi, Yondaime and Kakashi are special cases, above the norm.
Shikamaru isn't powerful, he's smart. Seriously, he's not on the same power as the others on your list, at least not when he's alone.
Tsunade is probably on the same level as Gaara was, but in another department.
There is not sixth Hokage.

[Sheldon]

But didn't the Shukaku give Gaara an extra amount of chakra, like the kyuubi does for Naruto?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is the case. So while Gaara still has the ability to manipulate sand (ie when he used it to bring Naruto's hand up to he could shake hands with him), I doubt he is capable of bringing up all the sand to protect the city, like he did against Deidara.

[apple pro]

Deidara isn't that powerful, he defeated Gaara by being smart more than anything.
Sasori was a freak in his own.
There's something freaky with most of the akatsuki members to be honest.
Orochimaru makes experiments and switches to bodies that are more powerful.
Sasuke isn't really all that powerful yet.
Itachi, Yondaime and Kakashi are special cases, above the norm.
Shikamaru isn't powerful, he's smart. Seriously, he's not on the same power as the others on your list, at least not when he's alone.
Tsunade is probably on the same level as Gaara was, but in another department.
There is not sixth Hokage.

the point i'm trying to make is that they do not possess a demon inside them, yet they are very formidable. so you can be uber with or without a demon.

also, i consider "smarts/intelligence" to be a power. shika's on the verge of punking akatsuki and i's not due to muscle.

isn't Tsunade the 6th? 4th died for Naruto, 5th is the old guy who orochimaru killed and the 6th is Tsunade right?

[Sheldon]

Nope Oro killed the 3rd. The 3rd came out of retirement after the 4th died.

[apple pro]

aahhh, ok

so does tsunade have a bust on the mountain?

[Lord Darkwolf]

aahhh, ok

so does tsunade have a bust on the mountain?


Yes ....you see it right when Part II begins with Naruto getting back from his trip .

[Dark Soul # 7]

the point i'm trying to make is that they do not possess a demon inside them, yet they are very formidable. so you can be uber with or without a demon.True, my point was that there was something special about pretty much all of them. It's either bloodline limits or something they've done to themselves that give a lot of those people their power.
also, i consider "smarts/intelligence" to be a power. shika's on the verge of punking akatsuki and i's not due to muscle.He's surprised them and has a pretty powerful team backing him up. The fight is far from over.

Shikamaru would pretty much be dead by now if he wasn't saved in the nick of time from his two previous fights in the series.

[R Krippler]

Shikamaru would pretty much be dead by now if he wasn't saved in the nick of time from his two previous fights in the series.
Yeah the Temari save was the better of the two, because she just owned that sound ninja. Then she gave the Temari smile.

[Chrosis]

Just a quicky here...

In Naruto, it's hinted that Zabuza and Kisame knew each other pretty well.

They were both part of the "Seven Shinobi Lords", they both have razor sharp fangs/teeth, they both have huge ass swords, and when Kakashi meets Kisame, Kisame states, "I heard you fought that kid Zabuza."

Is it ever brought up again in the series? How well did they actually know each other?

An

[Melchior]

Just a quicky here...

In Naruto, it's hinted that Zabuza and Kisame knew each other pretty well.

They were both part of the "Seven Shinobi Lords", they both have razor sharp fangs/teeth, they both have huge ass swords, and when Kakashi meets Kisame, Kisame states, "I heard you fought that kid Zabuza."

Is it ever brought up again in the series? How well did they actually know each other?

An

I always saw them called part of the Mist's "Seven Swordsmen".

Basically, both Kisame and Zabuza were part of an elite sword-using unit of the Mist. Not much more information than that has been given. They might have gone on some missions together, but I always got the impression that Kisame left the Mist quite some time ago.

[R Krippler]

Isn't that part of filler information or is that cannon.

Also This weeks issue was awesome. Naruto has almost finished his Ultimate Jutsu and kakashi has tweaked his raikiri to where it doesn't chrip before he attacks.:)

[Chrosis]

Isn't that part of filler information or is that cannon.

Also This weeks issue was awesome. Naruto has almost finished his Ultimate Jutsu and kakashi has tweaked his raikiri to where it doesn't chrip before he attacks.:)

Ever hear of spoiler tags?

[apple pro]

nice chapter. love the strategy in the fights...

*sigh* always goes back to jerkface but anyway if the element abilities are so important how come they don't teach this to them when they originally graduated? Never spoke of it before these last few months and now it's common knowledge.

[R Krippler]

Ever hear of spoiler tags?
To be absolutely honest for this forum I am never able to find the spoiler tags, and also I figured since the chapter had been out for a whole day it was all good to talk about it. Sorry if I ruined aspects of the story for some.

[Hiromi]

Just a quicky here...

In Naruto, it's hinted that Zabuza and Kisame knew each other pretty well.

They were both part of the "Seven Shinobi Lords", they both have razor sharp fangs/teeth, they both have huge ass swords, and when Kakashi meets Kisame, Kisame states, "I heard you fought that kid Zabuza."

Is it ever brought up again in the series? How well did they actually know each other?

An

The extent of it is a brief mention by Kakashi and Kisame referring to Zabuza as "that kid." It also played a role in a filler arc which isnt worth tslking about imo.


As for this chapter, it is about TIME Kakashi had another bad ass moment like this, lets hope that it sticks and doesn't end up futile.

[R Krippler]

The extent of it is a brief mention by Kakashi and Kisame referring to Zabuza as "that kid." It also played a role in a filler arc which isnt worth tslking about imo.


As for this chapter, it is about TIME Kakashi had another bad ass moment like this, lets hope that it sticks and doesn't end up futile.
Yeah but the way that Kukuza kept talking has me really worried that he is not dead.

[Hiromi]

I'm not getting my hopes up, but given the way he talked after Kakashi put a hole in his chest makes me think at the least he's severely injured and shocked him.

[Dark Soul # 7]

nice chapter. love the strategy in the fights...

*sigh* always goes back to jerkface but anyway if the element abilities are so important how come they don't teach this to them when they originally graduated? Never spoke of it before these last few months and now it's common knowledge.You mean when they graduated from ninja academy? I think it's because it's pretty advanced stuff. The common genin probably won't know squat about the finer details of elemental jutsus, while people like Shikamaru and Sakura have it all inside their heads before they graduate. When it's not certain that the students will actually become ninjas for real there's no reason to teach them stuff that's too advanced for them.

Also remember that Kakashi was really shocked that Sasuke could do a fire-jutsu at the age of twelve.
Yeah but the way that Kukuza kept talking has me really worried that he is not dead.I hope he's not dead. He's one of my favorite Akatsuki members.

[GoGo Yubari]

Ack. Hidan and Kakuzu are way too awesome to die this early. It's so not fair. But then again, the odds seem so ridiculously stacked against them at this point they have to have SOMETHING up their sleeves.

... and then Naruto will show up with his Super Amazing Nifty Jutsu and that'll be that. Sigh.

EDIT: And regarding the elemental jutsu things, well, it's not like they really need intricate knowledge of that early on when their missions are amazing things like "do weeding" and "walk dogs."

[Dark Soul # 7]

Ack. Hidan and Kakuzu are way too awesome to die this early. It's so not fair. But then again, the odds seem so ridiculously stacked against them at this point they have to have SOMETHING up their sleeves.

... and then Naruto will show up with his Super Amazing Nifty Jutsu and that'll be that. Sigh.I really hope that that doesn't happen.

After one of the Akatsuki beating Gaara and the herculean effort it took Sakura and Chiyio to barely defeat Sasori, I would be extremely pissed if Naruto is able to beat either of Kakuzu or Hidan just because he has a fancy new jutsu.

[Melchior]

Both Zabuza and Kisame were stated to be in the same group, which was also stated to be the top sword-users in their village. Aside from my suspicion they probably worked a handful of times together, all the information I gave were from canon sources and completely logical thinking.

As for the latest chapter, no clue. Have yet to read it. However, if Naruto's does combine rasengan with the cutting wind chakra, it should be able to at least remove Hidan out with a good connection since it deprives him of a body if it carves the thing to pieces. Guy didn't seem physically tougher than normal, and his head cannot do squat by itself.

[Sheldon]

Seeing Kakashi use the Chidori on Kakuzu was awesome....I'm glad Kakashi isn't sitting around waiting for the battle to get bad before he gets involved.

[saintjon]

That was by far my favourite Kakashi moment to date.

Does it seem odd to anyone else that a teacher as smart as Kakashi is getting hung up on teaching Naruto a new jutsu? It seems as though Rasengan would kill damn near anyone if Naruto could actually HIT anyone with it. It just seems like Naruto has raw power down pretty well, they could have taught him a greater breadth of jutsus in the same time, or just worked on any number of other skills everyone but Naruto seems to have. Hell, have him speed train til he can hang with Lee for starters. Maybe he could practice whatever crazy tricks Sakura and Tsunade use to augment their strength. Am I crazy here?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Seeing Kakashi use the Chidori on Kakuzu was awesome....I'm glad Kakashi isn't sitting around waiting for the battle to get bad before he gets involved.
Raikiri he used, not Chidori.

[Deskad]

Raikiri he used, not Chidori.


Same attack, different name.

Raikiri - lightning edge. Named so originally , basically defining what it is.

Chidori - One thousand birds. Nicknamed so for the sound it made by others.

[R Krippler]

Same attack, different name.

Raikiri - lightning edge. Named so originally , basically defining what it is.

Chidori - One thousand birds. Nicknamed so for the sound it made by others.
But the Raikiri is a S ranked jutsu while the Chidori is A ranked.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Same attack, different name.

Raikiri - lightning edge. Named so originally , basically defining what it is.

Chidori - One thousand birds. Nicknamed so for the sound it made by others.
Actually, the Raikiri is a quite deal more powerful than the Chidori. Sasuke couldn't learn the Raikiri since he wasn't on that level yet.

Kakashi can use the Chidori 5 times a day, while he could only use the Raikiri 3times a day.

[Sheldon]

Actually, the Raikiri is a quite deal more powerful than the Chidori. Sasuke couldn't learn the Raikiri since he wasn't on that level yet.

Kakashi can use the Chidori 5 times a day, while he could only use the Raikiri 3times a day.

Where does this come from? Which Chapters?

Raikiri and Chidori are the same move....named chidori after the sound it makes, and named Raikiri after Kakashi used the move to cut a lightning bolt.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Where does this come from? Which Chapters?

Raikiri and Chidori are the same move....named chidori after the sound it makes, and named Raikiri after Kakashi used the move to cut a lightning bolt.
The canonical databook. First saw the info on Wikipedia though. Raikiri is more powerful than the Chidori, and is called the Lightning Blade in translation. Chidori in translation is "1000 Birds" from the sound it makes.

Raikiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28H-R%29#Lightning_Blade)

Chidori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28H-R%29#One_Thousand_Birds)

[Hiromi]

And as I say every time that little gem is brought up the handbook is WRONG as it contradicts the primary canon, the manga. Wikipedia can say whatever the Hell it wants, I'm not awknowledging it till Kishimoto actually writes it in his story, seeing as he rather specifically said the opposite already.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/jmjon9/Comic%20Images/chapter114_03.jpg

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

And as I say every time that little gem is brought up the handbook is WRONG as it contradicts the primary canon, the manga. Wikipedia can say whatever the Hell it wants, I'm not awknowledging it till Kishimoto actually writes it in his story, seeing as he rather specifically said the opposite already.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/jmjon9/Comic%20Images/chapter114_03.jpg
Then why is the Raikiri an S-Class Technique, and the Chidori an A-Class? And who did that translation Hiromi? Because the translation that I saw on NarutoFan is different.

And, he said Raikiri when he executed the attack on Kuzaku, not saying Chidori. And if Kakashi taught the Raikiri to Sasuke, why hasn't he used it? He still used Chidori.

Lightning Blade

Kakashi using Lightning Blade.Name: Raikiri, 雷切, literally "Lightning Blade/Cut/Edge", Viz "Lightning Blade/Thrust"
Type: S-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Kakashi Hatake
This jutsu is an enhanced form of the One Thousand Birds, and has the same, albeit more powerful, effect. Kakashi is the only one able to use it, and it is named as such because he once cut a lightning bolt with it. This jutsu requires a larger amount of chakra and better chakra control. This is exemplified in their respective appearances. Whereas One Thousand Birds creates a large mass of chakra in one hand that appears near-white, the Lightning Blade is considerably more concentrated and appears in the normal blue color of chakra


One Thousand Birds

Sasuke using One Thousand BirdsName: Chidori, 千鳥, literally "One Thousand Birds"
Type: A-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Kakashi Hatake, Sasuke Uchiha
This jutsu is Kakashi's only original technique, though he now uses an S-ranked version known as the Lightning Blade. He created it around the time he was promoted to Jonin, and later taught it to Sasuke. This jutsu channels a large amount of chakra into the user's arm. The amount of chakra is so great that it becomes visible to the naked eye. The technique actually alters the nature of the user's chakra, effectively converting it into electricity. As a side effect of the conversion process, the large amount of chakra, and the speed at which the user moves, this technique makes a loud noise similar to many birds chirping, hence the name (if the user is not in motion, it merely makes a electric crackling sound). Once the technique is completed, the user charges forward and stabs their enemy with it. The amount of thrust combined with the large concentration of chakra allows the user to stab through almost anything; as such it is usually fatal to the enemy. This technique is classified as an assassination technique because of the speed at which it is performed, despite the loud noise it produces.

This jutsu has a major drawback, however. The speed at which the attack must be done, combined with the fact that the user must run in a straight line, causes a tunnel vision-like effect for the user. This allows their enemy to easily counter the attack, making it a potentially lethal move for the user. Though this drawback would seem to make learning the technique fairly pointless, Sasuke and Kakashi are able to avoid the drawback because of their Sharingan eyes, which take in every detail regardless of how fast the user is moving. As an additional drawback, the large amount of chakra required limits its use to a few times a day (two for Sasuke, four for Kakashi). These numbers are undoubtedly higher in Part II, especially in the case of Sasuke. Sasuke can manage one more than normal with the use of his cursed seal. Should the user attempt to go beyond their limit, all of their chakra will be drained and their very life force could go along with it, killing them. An additional problem, though not necessarily a debilitating one, is the fact that the large amount of chakra can also injure the user's hand if they put too much force into the attack. Sasuke does this while battling his brother, Itachi, causing some of the skin to peel from his hand and leaving it slightly smoldering after the attack was finished.

[Hiromi]

And where do those descriptions come from? Oh right the handbook, feel free to link that translation you mention, because of the several I've seen, both manga and anime, all agree with the one I just posted, and I flat out refuse to pay Narutofan money to read their scanlations.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

And where do those descriptions come from? Oh right the handbook, feel free to link that translation you mention, because of the several I've seen, both manga and anime, all agree with the one I just posted, and I flat out refuse to pay Narutofan money to read their scanlations.
...Narutofan is free man. You're kind of acting like a jerk. And if you read the reasons why both attacks are different, they both conform to the Anime and Manga.

When, in the Anime, Kakashi activates the Raikiri, it doesn't sound like 1000 Chirping Birds, like the Chidori does.

[Sheldon]

I guess if Raikiri doesn't make the sound Chidori makes, then that explains how Kakashi was able to sneak up on Kakuzu.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I guess if Raikiri doesn't make the sound Chidori makes, then that explains how Kakashi was able to sneak up on Kakuzu.
Raikiri has more of a buzzsaw mixed with electricity sound, while the Chidori sounds like one thousand chirping birds. Their colors are also different.

Raikiri Sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3GiyHmkLvI

Chidori Sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhJu9ywnvg

[Hiromi]

...Narutofan is free man.


Hrm, Narutofan's changed since I last looked, they used to charge a fee for their direct downloads, mistake.

You're kind of acting like a jerk.

I'm simply debating, stop taking it personally.

And if you read the reasons why both attacks are different, they both conform to the Anime and Manga.

And Gai's speech, which is a story telling tool for Kishimoto to talk directly to the reader, disagrees with them being different in anything but name.

When, in the Anime, Kakashi activates the Raikiri, it doesn't sound like 1000 Chirping Birds, like the Chidori does.

Want me to list you all the major changes the anime has made from the manga? The manga is the top tier of canon, straight from Kishimoto's mouth, the anime, which is based on that, does not trump the manga. The animators put the sound effect in for that scene, not Kishimoto, I'm not sure if the chapter with the explanation was out or not at the time. In any case the original manga chapter depicting the first chidori/raikari scene had no sound effects, therefore it doesn't contradict Gai's speech in chapter 114.

In other words I gave you direct evidence from the top tier of Naruto canon that you're wrong, you don't get out of that unless you post something else from that same tier saying I'm wrong.

[Hiromi]

I guess if Raikiri doesn't make the sound Chidori makes, then that explains how Kakashi was able to sneak up on Kakuzu.

Nothing was said about the sound, only the rock paper scissors element of jutsus elemental affinity, if you'll look at the last panel of pg 15 you'll notice that Kakuzu notices Kakashi a split second before he gets skewered. Remember that part of attacking with the chidori means running at full tilt speeds, he simply didnt have time to move.

[Chou Blaster]

Wlel in my viewings the Chidori and Raikiri, are actualy different.

Chidori: A super fast lgihting surge palm strike.


Riakiri: The said Chakra, is forme dlike a blade, capable of physicaly pirecing, liek a sword. (As Haku loooke dlike he was bleeding, a sif struckb y a sword of lighting.)

Thoguh I am not that bi ginot Naruto, so just my two cents.

[Hiromi]

The Raikiri not going completely through Haku was one of the aforementioned anime cuts, see here

http://www.leafninja.com/anime-cuts.php

[Chrosis]

The Raikiri not going completely through Haku was one of the aforementioned anime cuts, see here

http://www.leafninja.com/anime-cuts.php

*points to the manga*

Kakashi's arm goes straight through Haku's chest.

The anime is VERY toned down compared to the Manga.

[Chrosis]

I just watched the first two Naruto movies...

And I give it a wtf/10 stars.

[Hiromi]

Kukuza's power is interesting

my guess is that each of the "shades" for lack of a better term uses a different jutsu affinity, Kakashi did well to destroy one of them already. And the double Chidori was outright sweet.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Kukuza's power is interesting

my guess is that each of the "shades" for lack of a better term uses a different jutsu affinity, Kakashi did well to destroy one of them already. And the double Chidori was outright sweet.I just hope that everybody, including Hidan and Kakuzu, survives. I know it's "wrong" to hope that the bad guys make ot through but I really want to see Akatsuki kill Orochimaru and then have a big showdown with Naruto and some of his friends, and I like Hidan and Kakuzu. They're funny.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Kukuza's power is interesting

my guess is that each of the "shades" for lack of a better term uses a different jutsu affinity, Kakashi did well to destroy one of them already. And the double Chidori was outright sweet.
He doesn't call it the Chidori! He outright says it's the Raikiri. Doesn't that tell you they are different?

[Sheldon]

It was a great little chapter.....when Kakuzu kicks Kakashi....Damn!!!!!

He is stinking fast. i love how they are focused on Kakashi, because they know he is the only threat. Seriously what are the Chuunins gonna do.

[apple pro]

It was a great little chapter.....when Kakuzu kicks Kakashi....Damn!!!!!

He is stinking fast. i love how they are focused on Kakashi, because they know he is the only threat. Seriously what are the Chuunins gonna do.


not hard to figure out IMO —

kakashi will fight ans so will the others but Shikamaru represents his murdered sensei — he will wind up analyzing the situation and either he or naruto's team will terminate those bastards. But I guarantee Shika will figure it out.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

not hard to figure out IMO —

kakashi will fight ans so will the others but Shikamaru represents his murdered sensei — he will wind up analyzing the situation and either he or naruto's team will terminate those bastards. But I guarantee Shika will figure it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto doesn't complete the attack in the time limit, only to be sent out with another team(preferably Team 8 since we haven't seen how much they've improved).

[Dark Soul # 7]

not hard to figure out IMO —

kakashi will fight ans so will the others but Shikamaru represents his murdered sensei — he will wind up analyzing the situation and either he or naruto's team will terminate those bastards. But I guarantee Shika will figure it out.Asuma was Ino's and Chouji's sensei as well, so they should be just as upset as Shikamaru.

And without additional help I seriously doubt that the team can take out Kakuzu and Hidan. If they get help from team 8, I hope so, it'll probably be some kidn of stalemate.

[Sheldon]

I'm wondering how long before Ino becomes a damsel in distress...

[Hiromi]

He doesn't call it the Chidori! He outright says it's the Raikiri. Doesn't that tell you they are different?

*shakes head*

No, no it doesn't, and in fact it tells me that you're REALLY grasping at straws here. I can say Cougar or Moutain Lion, I'm still referring to the same damn animal. "Chidori, or as its also known, the Lightning Edge(raikiri)." Try again.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

*shakes head*

No, no it doesn't, and in fact it tells me that you're REALLY grasping at straws here. I can say Cougar or Moutain Lion, I'm still referring to the same damn animal.
Why doesn't Sasuke ever call it Raikiri as well when he performs it? Why do they have a slightly different color? And why does he refer to it as the Chidori(1000 Birds), not the Raikiri? And why, in Kakashi Gaiden, doesn't Kakashi use the Raikiri, instead he calls it the Chidori, and then as an adult call it the Raikiri? It kind of seems that the Raikiri is a more powerful technique. Chidori could be the base technique of the Raikiri, which translates as Lightning Blade.

It's like saying the baseline Rasengan is the same technique as the Odama Rasengan.

[Hiromi]

Why doesn't Sasuke ever call it Raikiri as well when he performs it?

Doesn't Want to? Hasn't earned the right by cutting a bolt of lightning with it? Either work.

Why do they have a slightly different color?
Funny, I thought both were your basic black and white.

And why does he refer to it as the Chidori(1000 Birds), not the Raikiri?

How many times do I have to answer it before you stop asking the same question?
And why, in Kakashi Gaiden, doesn't Kakashi use the Raikiri, instead he calls it the Chidori, and then as an adult call it the Raikiri?

logic would dictate he hadnt cut the bolt of lightning yet, thus hadn't earned the nickname. Ya know, seeing as he'd just invented it
It kind of seems that the Raikiri is a more powerful technique

Oh really? Based on what pray tell? Kakashi uses it and blasts a hole through Haku's chest, Jerkface uses it and blasts a hole through Naruto's shoulder, both involve sticking one's hand and arm completely through the body and potruding out the other side. No noticeable difference.
Chidori could be the base technique of the Raikiri, which translates as Lightning Blade.

Or it could be that its the same move, however due to the fact that Kakashi performed a legendary feat using it and earned a nickname through it he opts to call it that instead. JUST LIKE GAI SAYS HE DID IN CHAPTER 114, PAGE 3 PANEL 3.

ONCE AGAIN, I provided visual evidence from the top tier of Naruto canon statting that the Chidori and Raikir are identical moves with different names. Feel free to share when you can do the same proving otherwise.

[Sheldon]

Just read 335

i love a motivated Shikamaru.

[zero913]

yeah he's pretty legit when he's pissed. i like it haha. also i cant wait until the anime catches up with this, the action is gonna be so SICK. goddamn fillers tho fo sheezie. anyone knows when kakashi gaiden starts? or expected to start?

[Sheldon]

I hear in February, the cartoon is going to be renamed Naruto: Hurricane Chronicles or something silly like that.

[R Krippler]

I just wanna know how bad ass the AL is.

[master of read]

AL? what's that?

[Dark Soul # 7]

This week's chapter was awesome. An explination of some of Kakuzu's abilities and Shikamaru actually goes into close combat, if for just a second. Awesome!:D But what's he gonna do now?
AL? what's that?Short for Akatsuki's Leader.

And I agree, I want to see him rip Orochimaru in half.

[Hiromi]

Shikamaru has been ridiculously badass the past couple chapters.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Shikamaru has been ridiculously badass the past couple chapters.True, but doesn't it give anybody else an omnious feeling about his fate?

[R Krippler]

True, but doesn't it give anybody else an omnious feeling about his fate?

Yeah because didn't Asuma say that he was a pawn. I am not sure someone correct me if I am wrong.

[zero913]

yeah but no way would kishimoto kill off 2 'somewhat main' characters off this close in proximity ... plus ... its shikamaru ... there's no way he's going to get killed off in the story.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

This week's chapter was awesome. An explination of some of Kakuzu's abilities and Shikamaru actually goes into close combat, if for just a second. Awesome!:D But what's he gonna do now?
Short for Akatsuki's Leader.

And I agree, I want to see him rip Orochimaru in half.
I'd actually like to see Orochimaru become the main villain of the series again, and Akatsuki the secondary villains again.

Plus, Naruto has to keep his promise.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I'd actually like to see Orochimaru become the main villain of the series again, and Akatsuki the secondary villains again.I perfer Akatsuki over Orochimaru mostly because I find them more interesting. While their ultimate goal is the most generic of all villainous motives they actually have a logical and long-term plan to make it work, something most other villains really don't have. Orochimaru on the other hand only has the whole "I want to be immortal and destroy Kohona" things going for him. They get old pretty fast IMO.

Plus, there's more of them. so everybody can love at least one of them. And in the end it can be set up so that all the supporting characters can get to take on their own member while Kyuubi Naruto fights the A.L.Plus, Naruto has to keep his promise.The Akatsuki can be the main villains and Naruto can still keep his promise, hopefully killing Orochimaru while doing just that.

[Taltos]

Shikamaru has been ridiculously badass the past couple chapters.

Oh i know, honestly he is way more badass then any of the other rookie 9. including shino. Kakashi is also proving hes worthy of the fame.

Course team Gai is still the baddest out there.

[Len Ikari145]

yeah but no way would kishimoto kill off 2 'somewhat main' characters off this close in proximity ... plus ... its shikamaru ... there's no way he's going to get killed off in the story.


Eh, he probably will. Remember what happened with Asuma? That could've possibly been a hint to Kishimoto's new writing pattern.

[zero913]

well ... yeah i remember what happened to asuma, i just mentioned him ... and also its possible that he killed off asuma to show us just how badass and serious these akatsuki are. and also maybe to give shikamaru that motivation that he's always lacking. cuz you see how he is now, he's mad awesome. i dont think shikamaru's going to die.

[Jared_Humpherys]

new chap is out

Shikamaru once again proves how badass he is with preptime. Hidan does his ritual, not knowing it's Kakuzu's blood he used. It's what Shikamaru gave to Kakashi before the battle. Kakashi filled it with Kakuzu's blood upon nailing him with the Raikiri, then gave it back to Shika.

Shika's survival rate just rose quite a bit

[Dark Soul # 7]

All hail Shikamaru the PREP-MASTAH!

Though I still hope that Kakuzu and Hidan makes it out this alive.

[R Krippler]

Yeah Shika had an awesome plan. To bad no one at the NF forums are willing to give him his do. It was a simple bait, switch and blade and everybody is calling for a plotnojutsu. Arrrr:mad:

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

All hail Shikamaru the PREP-MASTAH!

Though I still hope that Kakuzu and Hidan makes it out this alive.
One of them has to die to avenge Asuma's death man.

[Cowlander]

let it be hidan, kakuzu is too nice

[Dark Soul # 7]

let it be hidan, kakuzu is too niceAgreed. I'd much rather like it if Kakuzu survives than Hidan, because he annoys me.

But I want both to live since they're so funny together. Shikamaru can get revenge later on.

[Sheldon]

So do ya think another heart has been destroyed?

[Dark Soul # 7]

So who's everyones favorite Akatuski member so far?

For me it's between Kakuzu and Deidara.
So do ya think another heart has been destroyed?You mean in Kakuzu? Maybe, but it's probably just damaged so far. And he has three left. So hopefully he'll be ok.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Itachi. He's practically the strongest Akatsuki under the mysterious leader(who may be an impure clone of Yondaime), actually has charisma, and from what we've seen, is as evil as the organization.

[R Krippler]

So do ya think another heart has been destroyed?

I think his heart heart was destroyed. Since all the other ones where out of his body in those mask.

So who's everyones favorite Akatuski member so far?

Itachi and Orochimaru. And don't give me all the technical stuff about Oro the dude still has his Akatsuki ring so he is still a member. But I chose these two because they are the ones who have cause so many problems for the main characters.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Well, I finally got time to read the newest chapters of Naruto, and I just finished reading #330, and I gotta say, it keeps getting better and better. I mean, for me it has never gotten boring, or turned into another anime gimmic. I hope this continues for much much longer....

What do you think of the manga and the show?

Ok i know that the USA dubbed anime has the annoying voices, but lets get passed that ok...

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

So do ya think another heart has been destroyed?

Wait who's heart?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Wait who's heart?
Kakuzu. Kakashi killed one of his hearts(that controls Earth Chakra), and he may be killed or lost all hearts(Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Lightning) when Kidan accidentally used that Jutsu that killed Asuma against him.

And dub Naruto is incredible, Viz is actually respecting the series. The only annoying voice so far was Naruto, and his voice actor has gotten much better from the first episode.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

But, they are makind the series too childish, I mean where is the blood and swearing?

Also when you said
Kakuzu. Kakashi killed one of his hearts(that controls Earth Chakra), and he may be killed or lost all hearts(Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Lightning) when Kidan accidentally used that Jutsu that killed Asuma against him.

I have no idea what you mean, cause i'm really bad with names, just tell me when this happened, and i will be able to coprehend.

[The Real Nemo]

But, they are makind the series too childish, I mean where is the blood and swearing?
Not really, from what I've seen most of the original content is still there. The blood is sometimes reduced but it's definitely there, and there was never that much swearing to begin with. One Piece was made childish but the darkness in Naruto is pretty much intact so far.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Hmm, I've never seen the japanese one piece, how much more different is it?

[Hiromi]

and I just finished reading #330.

Manga's up to 336, what's being talking about is explained in the next couple chapters.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Holly Crap, ok I finally caught up on all the chapter, and wow # 336 was pretty damn amazing, especialy all of his crazy shadow manipulation techniques wow...but I can't wait till the next chapter it will be simply amazing! I just wish they would of made them faster!

[R Krippler]

I found out that Naruto is best when read in arcs. Every Christmas holidayy since I found out about Naruto (2 years) I would just read an arc a day. That really pushes past the slower parts and creates a great overall feel.

[R Krippler]

The New Naruto is out, it was a few days late. Ii ends with two big cliffhangers

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Ahh....:( Why did you tell me this, now I'm gonna have to wait so I can read it through, withought worring about teh kliff hanger

[Dark Soul # 7]

Awesome stuff.
It'll be interesting to see if Naruto's training has actually given any real results. And things look really bad for Shikamaru at the moment.

[Sheldon]

Great Chapter.
Naruto looks so bad ass on the last page

Seeing Choji do something usefull is nice too.
Also Shika looks pretty screwed, I wonder who will be sent to save him....perhaps the girls, Sakura and Ino

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

ok everyone, where did you find this chapter because narutochaos dosen't have it...

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Great Chapter.
Naruto looks so bad ass on the last page

Seeing Choji do something usefull is nice too.
Also Shika looks pretty screwed, I wonder who will be sent to save him....perhaps the girls, Sakura and Ino


Few finally found the new chapter, also who is Shika?

But I the only thing i couldn't really understand was what was so great about the double eliment manipulation justsu, all it looked like was some boom and some rain nothing to spectacular and deadly...or can he do more crap with it?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

ok everyone, where did you find this chapter because narutochaos dosen't have it...
www.narutofan.com

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Few finally found the new chapter, also who is Shika?

But I the only thing i couldn't really understand was what was so great about the double eliment manipulation justsu, all it looked like was some boom and some rain nothing to spectacular and deadly...or can he do more crap with it?
Shika is short for Shikamaru, you know, a shortening of his name to give him almost a nickname?

[DWEarhart]

I watched most of the New Year's Eve day marathon that CN showed. I'm now intrigued, and wish to see the unedited versions. I really felt for alot of the characters, and related well to (can't remember his name) - the one that is a lazy bastard, yet a master strategist, and posseses the shadow jinsu. His battle round was my favorite.

[G_Man]

I watched most of the New Year's Eve day marathon that CN showed. I'm now intrigued, and wish to see the unedited versions. I really felt for alot of the characters, and related well to (can't remember his name) - the one that is a lazy bastard, yet a master strategist, and posseses the shadow jinsu. His battle round was my favorite.

He's the Shikamru that the others mention. He's pretty popular. He's also seemingly screwed in the latest manga chapter as he's fighting someone whose immortal and can kill him just by getting a little bit of his blood.

[zero913]

is it true that the new chapter isn't coming out till the 18th? my friend told me this and i was like ... WTF! haha i want it out NOW.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

is it true that the new chapter isn't coming out till the 18th? my friend told me this and i was like ... WTF! haha i want it out NOW.
It won't be coming out until next week, since we didn't get any this week.

[saintjon]

I got the impression that Yamato supplied the water portion of that jutsu combo, based on how he was holding his arm in the last frame. Naruto just from training was doing some serious excavation, I don't think that's his ultimate jutsu.

About kakuzu or hidan:


***************SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!****** *********



I liked Hidan better to begin with, but that frame where Kakuzu was literally ripping the heart out of the 1st was one of the most abhorrent, grizzly images from the whole series, and now he gives me the mega-shkeeves

As for which member I like best, toss-up between Hidan and Kisaime.

[Taltos]

I got the impression that Yamato supplied the water portion of that jutsu combo, based on how he was holding his arm in the last frame. Naruto just from training was doing some serious excavation, I don't think that's his ultimate jutsu.

About kakuzu or hidan:

I liked Hidan better to begin with, but that frame where Kakuzu was literally ripping the heart out of the 1st was one of the most abhorrent, grizzly images from the whole series, and now he gives me the mega-shkeeves

As for which member I like best, toss-up between Hidan and Kisaime.
yeah at first i thought naruto had countered a Kakuzu jutsu, but now it looks like a combo w. yamato to breakfree the others.

my highest hope for futon rasengan is that it turns hidan to dust.

[Kahnno6]

HI guys, been lurking here for awhile, but this is my first post in the thread.
The new chapter is out and:

Naruto hasn't completed his training, although I can't wait to see what he does with what training he has had. Also, could Shikamaru be any more badass?! Although I doubt his attack actually succeeded because then the reinforcements of Sai and Sakura wouldn't be needed.

[Kuya]

R.I.P. Hidan. Asuma's about to kick ur ass in the afterlife.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Dude, holly crap, Chapter #338 was the shit!
Althought very bad quality we still get the point, althought what was that jutsu that the ( Shadow Wealding guy(forgot his name)) used?

[Dark Soul # 7]

God damnit!
I know I may come off as rooting for evil right now but I don't care. This shouldn't be the way it goes.
The Akatsuki are supposed to be better than this, to get their asses kicked so easily by chuunin's and the like.

Seriously, I hope Naruto gets whooped by Kakuzu.

[Sheldon]

I loved this chapter. I like Hidan, and I'll miss him, I just hope that he doesn't have a transformation into a second form or something...maybe his god will intervene. I don't mind a member of Ataksuki getting beaten, he was cocky and Shika was lucky to survive the 1st encounter.

[XPac]

God damnit!
I know I may come off as rooting for evil right now but I don't care. This shouldn't be the way it goes.
The Akatsuki are supposed to be better than this, to get their asses kicked so easily by chuunin's and the like.

Seriously, I hope Naruto gets whooped by Kakuzu.

The last fight got to show the Akatsuki kick butt. They got their cool badguy moment. But now that they killed a regular character, they NEED to pay for it. And there's like 10 of those guys anyways so sooner or later the goodguys are going to start widdling down their numbers.

[Taltos]

thats not the naruto you knew! As seriously awesome as this chapter was the next one is going to be one to remember.

[Dark Soul # 7]

But it was really only Hidan that killed Asuma. Now Kakuzu is going to be used to show how badass Naruto is because he can put wind into his rasengan. Whoopdie do.

I could care less for Hidan but hopefully Kakuzu survives through this. Because I want to see Gaara and Kakuzu fight!

And team 8 better be shown as real badasses in the next arc.

[XPac]

But it was really only Hidan that killed Asuma. Now Kakuzu is going to be used to show how badass Naruto is because he can put wind into his rasengan. Whoopdie do.

I could care less for Hidan but hopefully Kakuzu survives through this. Because I want to see Gaara and Kakuzu fight!

And team 8 better be shown as real badasses in the next arc.

Naruto kind of needs to have a cool moment though... I'm not sure he's really done anything really impressive since the start of Naruto 2. When you're a title character, you need a few Whoopdie do moments in there.

I have no problem if Kakuzu gets away or not... but I do think with all this build up Naruto really needs to show us something.

[zero913]

i really wish naruto would learn some new jutsu's ... i mean like generic ones where he can use to protect himself from attacks or random shit like that, know what i mean? like his limited arsenal of moves were cool, until he uses it over and over and over ... its retarded, what kind of ninja is he? he has all that chakra ... all that horsepower and nowhere to gallop. i dunno maybe i'm retarded but i wish he would just learn some little ones along the way, just to give it more variety. true he now has a kickass halfway finished rasengan, but really now, its still basically the same move, he didn't really add another move to his list. gah!! dont mind me, i'm just venting :)

[Len Ikari145]

i really wish naruto would learn some new jutsu's ... i mean like generic ones where he can use to protect himself from attacks or random shit like that, know what i mean? like his limited arsenal of moves were cool, until he uses it over and over and over ... its retarded, what kind of ninja is he? he has all that chakra ... all that horsepower and nowhere to gallop. i dunno maybe i'm retarded but i wish he would just learn some little ones along the way, just to give it more variety. true he now has a kickass halfway finished rasengan, but really now, its still basically the same move, he didn't really add another move to his list. gah!! dont mind me, i'm just venting :)

I agree with you for the most part. Naruto, even without Kyuubi, as been stated(and demonstrated) time and again to have more chakra than a majority of characters. However, as also pointed out, due his rather exuberent chakra supply and lack of proper chakra control (due to Kyuubi), he more suited to using jutsus that require alot of chakra to use (like Kage Bunshin or Rasengan); and don't require as much focus as other jutsus. He does more need a bit more variety since there are other techniques that would suit his fighting style. Also, we still haven't seen the jutsu that Jiraiya warned him to refrain from using(so it must be something big).

I also kinda blame Jiraiya for Naruto not really teaching any new techniques. From the beginning, he's basically been telling Naruto to rely more on the Kyuubi, than learning to harness his own power (which is immense in itself). And that's the most that Naruto's got out of the training; learning how to control his Kyuubi tails after reaching the fourth, plus an unknown jutsu. Sure he's become smarter, more tactical, is better at taijutsu and isn't as reckless, but he could've made much better use learning new jutsus and seriously brushing up on his weaker areas (lack of genjutsu defense, for example). I have to admit, both Kakashi and Jiraiya suck as mentors IMO.

[XPac]

i really wish naruto would learn some new jutsu's ... i mean like generic ones where he can use to protect himself from attacks or random shit like that, know what i mean? like his limited arsenal of moves were cool, until he uses it over and over and over ... its retarded, what kind of ninja is he? he has all that chakra ... all that horsepower and nowhere to gallop. i dunno maybe i'm retarded but i wish he would just learn some little ones along the way, just to give it more variety. true he now has a kickass halfway finished rasengan, but really now, its still basically the same move, he didn't really add another move to his list. gah!! dont mind me, i'm just venting :)

I like it if they showed him improving on the Jutsu's he's already got. We're seeing that now with the Rasengan, but I think improvement with the summoning would be nice since he only seems to be able to do that properly in near death situations.

Being able to summon some of those smaller frogs for lesser battles and non battle situations like scouting or tracking would be kinda nice (though admittedly the usefulness of frogs in scouting and tracking is probably limited). Course, we haven't seen him do any summoning at all... maybe he has improved and he just haven't seen it yet.

[XPac]

I also kinda blame Jiraiya for Naruto not really teaching any new techniques. From the beginning, he's basically been telling Naruto to rely more on the Kyuubi, than learning to harness his own power (which is immense in itself). And that's the most that Naruto's got out of the training; learning how to control his Kyuubi tails after reaching the fourth, plus an unknown jutsu. Sure he's become smarter, more tactical, is better at taijutsu and isn't as reckless, but he could've made much better use learning new jutsus and seriously brushing up on his weaker areas (lack of genjutsu defense, for example). I have to admit, both Kakashi and Jiraiya suck as mentors IMO.

In a way you can't really blame Jiraiya for training Naruto the way he did. Since Naruto was being chased by the Akatsuki, he probably needed Naruto as powerful as possible in the shortest amount of time. And that meant harnessing the power of the Kyuubi. It's a short cut, but it was probably necessary given Narutos life.

He probably had no way of knowing that Sasuke had the power of dispelling the Kyuubi, which necessitates him NOT relying on it's power. That was Narutos big ace in the whole, and now he's gotta look elsewhere.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Holy----Naruto's new attack looks kick ass!

[Enterprise E]

I have to say that I liked how Naruto used the Shadow Clones to test the waters with Kakuzu. This way he could learn how Kakuzu fights, and I wouldn't be surprised if he used this strategy against Sasuke when they fight again to help counter Sasuke's Sharingan.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

OK...about to read the newest chapter can't wait!

[Miburohunter929]

I agree with you for the most part. Naruto, even without Kyuubi, as been stated(and demonstrated) time and again to have more chakra than a majority of characters. However, as also pointed out, due his rather exuberent chakra supply and lack of proper chakra control (due to Kyuubi), he more suited to using jutsus that require alot of chakra to use (like Kage Bunshin or Rasengan); and don't require as much focus as other jutsus. He does more need a bit more variety since there are other techniques that would suit his fighting style. Also, we still haven't seen the jutsu that Jiraiya warned him to refrain from using(so it must be something big).

I also kinda blame Jiraiya for Naruto not really teaching any new techniques. From the beginning, he's basically been telling Naruto to rely more on the Kyuubi, than learning to harness his own power (which is immense in itself). And that's the most that Naruto's got out of the training; learning how to control his Kyuubi tails after reaching the fourth, plus an unknown jutsu. Sure he's become smarter, more tactical, is better at taijutsu and isn't as reckless, but he could've made much better use learning new jutsus and seriously brushing up on his weaker areas (lack of genjutsu defense, for example). I have to admit, both Kakashi and Jiraiya suck as mentors IMO.

I agree somewhat, he sucked up to and after the exams as a teacher, but I can understand his reasoning during the chuunin exams.

Trying to teach naruto and sasuke at the same time probally would have ended in disaster, with neither one coming out as skilled as they would need to be.

Naruto, as you know, lacked the basics, good chackra control and all that crap, and wasnt nearly as talented as sasuke was (atleast thats how it was portrayed) and didnt have the sharigan to speed things up for him like sasuke did.

Trying to teach naruto how to increase his speed through chakra or whatever like sasuke did, probally wouldnt work in the time they had, since he was horrible at controlling his chakra (and orochis little seal made it even worse) and he sure as hell wouldnt be able to learn chidori in the alloted time, since elemental stuff takes years for the average person to learn and even then, since he lacks the sharigan, it would be a pretty huge liability to him.

Basically, What I'm saying is, trying to teach naruto at the same time hes teaching sasuke in a month would divide his focus and screw someone over. Either he might be so busy helping naruto that sasuke isnt quite as good as he was when he fought gaara, or narutos so far behind sasuke that he learns almost nothing in that month. he might get faster, or maybe get hip to the kage bunshins full abilites,(assuming kakashi knew about it back then) but thats about it probally. Not that thats not useful.

So having Ebisu take naruto for a month to improve his basics wasnt some horrible assholish move to taunt naruto, it was simply much easier then teaching sasuke chidori, increasing his speed, while at the same time improving narutos stuff and then maybe trying to teach him....something...I dont know what he would attempt to teach. But its not like he said "Fuck you, go get your own damn teacher" and dissapeared. He atleast found someone to help him with his biggest problems.

And after the chunnin exams, didnt Jairaya basically take him off Kakashis hands? He's hardly to blame for that.

Of course, he did obviously show prefferential treatment to the uchina kid, and he did screw sakura, but he probally figured she could wait since she didnt have anything important coming up, like the rest of her team. Hell, I think asuma focused on shika and forgot about Choji/Ino during the finals.

But yeah, Jariya was an excellent mentor during the exams and then on, but seems to dropped the ball during the timeskip, by focusing to much on Kyubbi or something. I mean, he improved his basics, and got more kyubbi power, but I would thought that we would see him with a few new tricks. Chouji, Shika and Sakura certainly learned a few new moves. But I digress....

But yeah, its nice to see kakashi actually taking an intrest in narutos training, even if it required his other student to dissapear for a bit.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

OK, I don't get it...why did in the manga Kakashi told naruto to smash it into he resengai? And on the next page it was nothing but a white screen and them standing tired, and then all of a sudden he had his new jutsu?
Did they mess up type setting it or something? And why was it in so bad quality?

[Miburohunter929]

OK, I don't get it...why did in the manga Kakashi told naruto to smash it into he resengai? And on the next page it was nothing but a white screen and them standing tired, and then all of a sudden he had his new jutsu?
Did they mess up type setting it or something? And why was it in so bad quality?

No, it was a flashback. remember when we saw kakashi with his hand banadaged before he left with team 10? That was the flashback showing us why, and how uber this rasengan is gonna be.

[XPac]

But yeah, Jariya was an excellent mentor during the exams and then on, but seems to dropped the ball during the timeskip, by focusing to much on Kyubbi or something. I mean, he improved his basics, and got more kyubbi power, but I would thought that we would see him with a few new tricks. Chouji, Shika and Sakura certainly learned a few new moves. But I digress....



Didn't the story imply that there was some sort of technique Jariaya warned Naruto not to use before they parted company? It's possible Naruto learned more than we've seen so far.

[master of read]

naruto really has grown. we havent really seen what naruto could really do in a fight since his return. most of the time, someone else fights or he kyubiied out.

naruto used his shadow clones to gage kakuzu's attack speed and then he calculated how many clones he would need to use his jutsu. yamato was right. naruto really has changed.

[Miburohunter929]

Didn't the story imply that there was some sort of technique Jariaya warned Naruto not to use before they parted company? It's possible Naruto learned more than we've seen so far.

True, we do know he has a jutsu that jairaya specifically told him not to use, although most believe it to be kyubbi, but I digress.....But even so, aside from kyubbi, we didnt see anything THAT special from him, up until fairly recently, which had more to do with kakashis training than Jairaya. which isnt to say J-man did nothing, seeing as how he improved his basics, gave him summoning and a better rasengan, helped bring out more kyubbi (That might be a curse, depending on who you asked) and some other crap.

naruto really has grown. we havent really seen what naruto could really do in a fight since his return. most of the time, someone else fights or he kyubiied out.

naruto used his shadow clones to gage kakuzu's attack speed and then he calculated how many clones he would need to use his jutsu. yamato was right. naruto really has changed.


Well, yeah, but your not saying that was because of Jairyas training, are you? because naruto didnt even have an idea of the other way that Kage Bunshin could be used, until kakashi told him.

That would have more to do with kakashi, Yamato and the gazillion years of simulated training that naruto put in, then anything.

But yeah, I certainly agree that naruto has changed. Hopefully, its just in terms of battle strength/skill/tactics. Because, I dont want narutos core personallity to change TOO much.

[Deskad]

Anybody else get that MOUNTAIN sized hint in that one big panel?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

What Naruto's new attack looks like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Rasenshuriken.png

[Dark Soul # 7]

But yeah, I certainly agree that naruto has changed. Hopefully, its just in terms of battle strength/skill/tactics. Because, I dont want narutos core personallity to change TOO much.Probably not. After the fight, whatever the outcome may be, he will most likely be asking for ramen while smiling that goofy grin of his.

[XPac]

True, we do know he has a jutsu that jairaya specifically told him not to use, although most believe it to be kyubbi, but I digress.....But even so, aside from kyubbi, we didnt see anything THAT special from him, up until fairly recently, which had more to do with kakashis training than Jairaya. which isnt to say J-man did nothing, seeing as how he improved his basics, gave him summoning and a better rasengan, helped bring out more kyubbi (That might be a curse, depending on who you asked) and some other crap.




I think that's simply what the writers had to do though... I imagine they want to save all the cool stuff for what we actually see on panel.

Thus, aside from vastly improving Narutos manipulation of the nine tails chakra (that was pretty evident in his fight with Orochimaru as he went up to 3-4 tails pretty effortlessly), the J man was stuck helping him learn the basics and maybe mature as a fighter. Important stuff, but on the boring side thus they keep it off panel and left the cool stuff like learning new techniques to what we actually see in the comic.

It's a shame though, because it sort of does make Jiraiay seem like a worse teacher, even though the truth is he learned almost all his techniques from him in a relative short amount of time.

Really, this is the first time Kakashi ever bothered teaching Naruto anything non-basic. It's almost a miracle that Naruto is as good as he is given how little attention he gets.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Thus, aside from vastly improving Narutos manipulation of the nine tails chakra (that was pretty evident in his fight with Orochimaru as he went up to 3-4 tails pretty effortlessly)Isn't that more that he got so angry that the kyuubi chakra easier leaked into his own chakra system causing the transformation. Because it made him lose all control, and that just doesn't seem like a smart move.

[Sheldon]

Anybody else get that MOUNTAIN sized hint in that one big panel?

No I'm dumb.....what panel?

EDIt: Now I get it...the panel with the 4th.


btw at least now we know what happened to Kakashi's hand....

[Azangel]

I wanna see - I wanna see!
Just the one panel mind you. :)

And please don't link to sites with entire manga scanlations, you KNOW I have to delete them. They really aren't hard to find w/ google.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

No I'm dumb.....what panel?

EDIt: Now I get it...the panel with the 4th.


btw at least now we know what happened to Kakashi's hand....

Wait what happened with kakashi's hand?

And did Kakashi copy narutos atack that one time, so he can creat his own powerfull atack that combines 2 elemental atacks? Since he dosen't have enought chacra to train for it?

[Dark Soul # 7]

And did Kakashi copy narutos atack that one time, so he can creat his own powerfull atack that combines 2 elemental atacks? Since he dosen't have enought chacra to train for it?Naruto doesn't combine two elemental techniques.

He combines the rasengan, a neutral (as I like to call it) ninjutsu technique, with his windbased chakra to create an uber jutsu. And it's likely that Kakashi can't copy Naruto's jutsu since it doesn't involve hand-seals.

[XPac]

Isn't that more that he got so angry that the kyuubi chakra easier leaked into his own chakra system causing the transformation. Because it made him lose all control, and that just doesn't seem like a smart move.

We've seen him get angry plenty of times without the nine tails Chaktra effecting him. In the past the only way he could summon it was by using up his own Chakra, but now he can seemingly summon it at will and control it at least up till the 3rd tail.

Or at least that's how I'm interpreting it. Maybe I'm wrong and the moral of the story is that Naruto and Jiraiya sat on their butts doing nothing for 2 years... I'm just trying to give them some benefit ouf the doubt.

[Dark Soul # 7]

We've seen him get angry plenty of times without the nine tails Chaktra effecting him. In the past the only way he could summon it was by using up his own Chakra, but now he can seemingly summon it at will and control it at least up till the 3rd tail.

Or at least that's how I'm interpreting it. Maybe I'm wrong and the moral of the story is that Naruto and Jiraiya sat on their butts doing nothing for 2 years... I'm just trying to give them some benefit ouf the doubt.No you're right, and Jiraiya's training has improved Naruto greatly.

When it part 2 started he no longer used shadow clones to just try to overwhelm his opponent with numbers, he has improved the Rasengan without the use of elemental chakra, his basic ninja skills have overall become better and he has a new jutsu that we haven't seen yet.

And it is good that he can control the kyuubi chakra to a certain limit, but at the same time using it isn't the most ideal technique since the seal seems to becoming weaker.

[sehthan]

I don't think you can blame Jiraiya for concentrating on teaching Naruto to control the nine-tails. In truth, someone should have been working with the kid all along, as a Naruto that can't control the GIANT KILLER DEMON they stuck in him is a liability. I guess everyone was hoping he'd never start to manifest it, but by the time of the timeskip it was clear that corner had been turned for good. So even if Jiraiya had taught him nothing else, and we mostly seem to agree that wasn't the case, I don't think you can blame him.

[XPac]

I don't think you can blame Jiraiya for concentrating on teaching Naruto to control the nine-tails. In truth, someone should have been working with the kid all along, as a Naruto that can't control the GIANT KILLER DEMON they stuck in him is a liability. I guess everyone was hoping he'd never start to manifest it, but by the time of the timeskip it was clear that corner had been turned for good. So even if Jiraiya had taught him nothing else, and we mostly seem to agree that wasn't the case, I don't think you can blame him.

That's the thing... the Nine tails is the white elephant in the room. You can't expect it to go away if you ignore it.

The Leaf villiange in genaral did that. But because Jiraiya knew first hand that the Akatsuki were after Naruto and the Nine tails, thus he choose to address the issue head on. Which is really what needed to be done.

[Chou Blaster]

Naruto doesn't combine two elemental techniques.

He combines the rasengan, a neutral (as I like to call it) ninjutsu technique, with his windbased chakra to create an uber jutsu. And it's likely that Kakashi can't copy Naruto's jutsu since it doesn't involve hand-seals.



The Rasengan is pure chakra compessed as a spiral sphere. So yeah it is prett ymuch a non eleemnt, but rather pre chakra.

WHich si the beauty of it.

[Sheldon]

Wait what happened with kakashi's hand?


When he showed up and agreed to go with SkikaInoChou, his hand was all bandaged up.

Ch 339 showed the flashback of how he hurt it. His rasengan lost to Naruto's when they smashed them together.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Chapter 340 is up and it's pretty anti-climatic for humerous reasons.

Naruto distracts Kakuzu with three clones and then attacks him with his new technique. Only to see it disappear when it's like an inch from hitting Kakuzu.

Turns out that the "wind shuriken" can't actually be thrown, like a shuriken, but it has to connect with the opponent in point blank range. That and since it's not finished yet it's unstable and Naruto can only maintain it for a few seconds. So when he misses Kakashi and Yamato saves him from being killed.

Then when Kakashi comments on how the smart thing would be that they all, him, Naruto, Ino, Chouji and Yamato, attacked together Naruto asks them to stay out of it. Because if he can't do this on his own he hasn't grown and there's no way he can bring back Sasuke.

Overall, cool chapter. He's still pretty goofy.

[Taltos]

Good call on kish's part, this chapter. Naruto is still and always will be naruto.



although, he remains naruto, his growth is still amazing.

Itachi graduated at the top of his Academy class at age 7, had mastered the Sharingan by age 8, became a Chunin at 10, and became an ANBU squad captain at the age of 13

Granted Naruto graduated in the bottom of his class at 13, but it looks like he becomes Akatsuki lvl at age 15.

[sehthan]

Okay, so, who thinks in the next chapter Naruto will...

... reverse his tactics and distract Kakuzu with the jutsu, then nail him with the clones? Maybe he'll still get to finish him off with the new move, but the point of how he's grown will be his tactical sense more than his raw power.

Can't wait to see, and also can't wait to see everyone's reactions to Shika's win.

[Taltos]

Okay, so, who thinks in the next chapter Naruto will...

... reverse his tactics and distract Kakuzu with the jutsu, then nail him with the clones? Maybe he'll still get to finish him off with the new move, but the point of how he's grown will be his tactical sense more than his raw power.

Can't wait to see, and also can't wait to see everyone's reactions to Shika's win.

yeah thats what it looks like. Kakuza's "all i have to do is avoid that jutsu" seems to point to that.

its a possibility that we wont see the destructo disc in action at all.

[Sheldon]

I want things to get rough, and have everyone on the team get beat down,so Naruto can do one of those "I need to save those that are most precious" scenes, and attack Kakuzu with like a billion clones. It's been too long since that happened.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

/\ Tru dat!

But ya, what's up with the recent chapter? Why didn't the attack not work!!! Damn you NAruto!!!
Also, is kakashi controlling narutos technique?
One more thing, I think I'm gonna wait like a month and read 4 chapters at a time, it makes it more enjoyable to read!

[Dark Soul # 7]

But ya, what's up with the recent chapter? Why didn't the attack not work!!! Damn you NAruto!!!
Also, is kakashi controlling narutos technique?1. It didn't work because it's only half-finished and isn't stable enough for Naruto to keep it going for any long period of time. Basically Kakuzu kinda lucked out.
2. No, he hasn't anything to do with Naruto's new technique. What gives you the impression that he's doing that?

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

1. It didn't work because it's only half-finished and isn't stable enough for Naruto to keep it going for any long period of time. Basically Kakuzu kinda lucked out.
2. No, he hasn't anything to do with Naruto's new technique. What gives you the impression that he's doing that?

Because it said that he was doing something with his sharugan eye to boost it's power...

[XPac]

This was a bit disappointing. In all of Naruto 2 we haven't seen any really impressive showing on Naruto's part... and obviously this didn't change that.

He made honestly a stupid mistake, and needed saving. And on top of that he's now showing arrogance by not agreeing to use teamwork to win the fight. I'm sure it'll work out for him in the end... but I do wonder how long it will be before we actually see Naruto do something descent in Naruto 2. He's honestly been kind of disappointing all around.

[Chrosis]

Is it just me, or does anyone else here think that the Sharingan is a total plot device?

[Dark Soul # 7]

This was a bit disappointing. In all of Naruto 2 we haven't seen any really impressive showing on Naruto's part... and obviously this didn't change that.

He made honestly a stupid mistake, and needed saving. And on top of that he's now showing arrogance by not agreeing to use teamwork to win the fight. I'm sure it'll work out for him in the end... but I do wonder how long it will be before we actually see Naruto do something descent in Naruto 2. He's honestly been kind of disappointing all around.Well, he did have that monster battle with Orochimaru, which wil probably look awesome when it's animated, and he did come up with the plan to "defeat" Kakashi.

Now I have a weird question. Does anybody know if Zetsu, the cannibalistic, dual-personality guy from the Akatsuki, has any human arms? I just can't remember seeing him having any of the kind.

[Gladiaria_Alata]

This was a bit disappointing. In all of Naruto 2 we haven't seen any really impressive showing on Naruto's part... and obviously this didn't change that.

He made honestly a stupid mistake, and needed saving. And on top of that he's now showing arrogance by not agreeing to use teamwork to win the fight. I'm sure it'll work out for him in the end... but I do wonder how long it will be before we actually see Naruto do something descent in Naruto 2. He's honestly been kind of disappointing all around.

I wouldn't say he was being arrogant, and he wasn't ungrateful when they saved him.

[Taltos]

This was a bit disappointing. In all of Naruto 2 we haven't seen any really impressive showing on Naruto's part... and obviously this didn't change that.

He made honestly a stupid mistake, and needed saving. And on top of that he's now showing arrogance by not agreeing to use teamwork to win the fight. I'm sure it'll work out for him in the end... but I do wonder how long it will be before we actually see Naruto do something descent in Naruto 2. He's honestly been kind of disappointing all around.
oh no! he couldnt beat an akatsuki who had Kakashi and his team against the ropes, in his first try!

give me a break

[R Krippler]

Well, he did have that monster battle with Orochimaru, which wil probably look awesome when it's animated, and he did come up with the plan to "defeat" Kakashi.

Now I have a weird question. Does anybody know if Zetsu, the cannibalistic, dual-personality guy from the Akatsuki, has any human arms? I just can't remember seeing him having any of the kind.

I don't think they have showed if he has arms or not.

There are alot of things that are going to look bad ass once they are animated. I am personally looking forward to Gaara defending the sand village, because you know the animators are gonna add like an extra 10 scenes.

[XPac]

oh no! he couldnt beat an akatsuki who had Kakashi and his team against the ropes, in his first try!

give me a break

My problem isn't that he didn't beat the Akatsuki... it's that he didn't bother figuring out how his attack actually worked before using it in a fight. HIs regular rasengan was never a ranged attack, and he was outright told that wind chakra attacks are usually used with short ranged attacks. Yet he assumed it was a ranged attack and based his whole plan around that notion without ever bothering to test the move beforehand.

And making the decision NOT to use teamwork after his initial attack didn't strike me as the smartest tactic either.

My criticism was NOT that he didn't win... but that he didn't approach the situation intelligently. If you disagree and feel that he's being smart about how he's approaching this fight, we can agree to disagree.

[G_Man]

My problem isn't that he didn't beat the Akatsuki... it's that he didn't bother figuring out how his attack actually worked before using it in a fight. HIs regular rasengan was never a ranged attack, and he was outright told that wind chakra attacks are usually used with short ranged attacks. Yet he assumed it was a ranged attack and based his whole plan around that notion without ever bothering to test the move beforehand.

Untrue. The attack is named Rasen Shuriken, but it was never intended to be a long-ranged attack and Naruto knew this, that's why he made the clones to distract Kakuzu so he could get close. Chouji asked why he named it Shuriken if it wasn't long-range, that was a joke scene. Chouji said, "When you said Shuriken in the name I thought it was going to be flying all over the place, but you have to run up to the guy and hit him?" Naruto probably named it that because of the shape it takes, not because he thought he could throw it.

What Naruto did wrong was overestimate how long he could hold it together. That's fair, and is surprisingly realistic for a shonen manga. He's only ever used it in a training setting, and using it in real combat, after expending chakra on clones, plus dividing his focus on the attack and a dealy opponent cut down the length of time he could maintain it by a second less than Naruto had guessed it would. Remember he's using an incomplete technique in battle for the very first time and he still almost won. If it had lasted one second more, Naruto would have ended the fight instantly in what would have been the most anti-climatic fight ending since Team Yamatoi vs post-time skip Sasuke, and God knows we all bitched about the ending to that fight.

And making the decision NOT to use teamwork after his initial attack didn't strike me as the smartest tactic either.

Again, it's not that he didn't want to refrain from teamwork, but rather that he felt he needed to do this as a way of testing himself. If he can't nail Kakuzu, an opponent whose big, bulky, and largely imobile while fighting (not that Kakuzu is slow, but he stays in one spot while he attacks), then he'll never have a chance of nailing the much faster Sasuke. So he's risking his life to gain needed combat experience with his new jutsu. It's not like he can test it constantly against his friends in sparring matches. Look what it's weakest form did to Kakashi's hands when Kakashi was using his own Rasengan.

My criticism was NOT that he didn't win... but that he didn't approach the situation intelligently. If you disagree and feel that he's being smart about how he's approaching this fight, we can agree to disagree.

Actually, he is being smart in that he let the clones go first to gain the measure of how Kakuzu moves when he attacks. Then he correctly estimated how many clones he needed to outmanuver a guy who was keeping up with Kakashi, and he did in fact outmanuver Kakuzu.

His sole mistake was something he couldn't have possibly prepared for (he was off by mere seconds when testing an insanely complex and unfinished jutsu in live combat for the first time, most researchers cheer when they get results that good) unless he stayed behind to perfect the jutsu, and if he'd done that, Kakashi, Ino, and Chouji would be dead now.

Incidentally, Shikmaru loses points for letting his desire for vengeance make him a dumbass in the end of a fight that was already absurdly rigged to try and make him look good. The perfect source for info on Akatsuki, a prisoner who could never hope to escape, and who is easily transported, and he buries him where no one but him can find the guy and plans on just leaving him there? Dumbass.

I seriously hope Zetsu somehow finds Hidan and digs him out just so he can confront Shika again and say "I told you so!!!!"

[G_Man]

Is it just me, or does anyone else here think that the Sharingan is a total plot device?

Well let's see.

Cons:

- You have to be in life-threatening danger to activate it.

- It eats up chakra if you are not an Uchiha.

- It can't see through solid or opaque things like the Byakugan. Which means smoke or thick fog is all you need to keep it from seeing you.

- It doesn't make your body any stronger.

- You have to do something really evil to get it's final form. We don't know how Kakashi got his version so that's not an option unless you luck out, and it may only be because he's not a true Uchiha.

- It's ultimate forms attacks eat up a huge amount of stamina.

- It slowly drives you blind in it's ultimate from, and possibly puts intense strain on your eyes in it's regular form, though that may be because Kakashi can't shut his off.

Pros:

- In it's weakest form it let's you follow the movements of things much faster than you.

- In it's second stage you can copy any jutsu you seeas long as it's not a bloodline limit/something that requires special tools or body modification.

- It also lets you see through any illusion that doesn't come from it's highest form.

- In it's third stage you can predict your opponents every move to the point where you can now keep up with someone who was blitzing the hell out of you mere seconds ago.

- You only have to be a complete bastard whose willing to kill someone you were attached to (but not necessarily related to) to get it's ultimate form.

- It's ultimate form has insanely powerful attacks that can end most fights in one hit. One is a genjutsu that can't be countered unless you avoid eye contact, or have the ultimate form yourself. One is an attack that has crappy range but can burn through anything on Earth. And one creates a mini-black hole that can be launched, sending the target into a different dimension assuming they survive it in the first place.

- Oh, yeah, it can somehow cut off access to the power of the strongest known demon in the world, though it may have had help from the fact that Kyuubi was sealed and it's host was fighting it's influence at the time.

Yeah, it's more broken than a Cyber-Stein deck with three Raigeki's, 3 Pot of Greeds, and 3 Harpie's Feather Dusters (little Yu-Gi-Oh CG humour there).

[Chrosis]

Well let's see.

Cons:

- You have to be in life-threatening danger to activate it.

- It eats up chakra if you are not an Uchiha.

- It can't see through solid or opaque things like the Byakugan. Which means smoke or thick fog is all you need to keep it from seeing you.

- It doesn't make your body any stronger.

- You have to do something really evil to get it's final form. We don't know how Kakashi got his version so that's not an option unless you luck out, and it may only be because he's not a true Uchiha.

- It's ultimate forms attacks eat up a huge amount of stamina.

- It slowly drives you blind in it's ultimate from, and possibly puts intense strain on your eyes in it's regular form, though that may be because Kakashi can't shut his off.

Pros:

- In it's weakest form it let's you follow the movements of things much faster than you.

- In it's second stage you can copy any jutsu you seeas long as it's not a bloodline limit/something that requires special tools or body modification.

- It also lets you see through any illusion that doesn't come from it's highest form.

- In it's third stage you can predict your opponents every move to the point where you can now keep up with someone who was blitzing the hell out of you mere seconds ago.

- You only have to be a complete bastard whose willing to kill someone you were attached to (but not necessarily related to) to get it's ultimate form.

- It's ultimate form has insanely powerful attacks that can end most fights in one hit. One is a genjutsu that can't be countered unless you avoid eye contact, or have the ultimate form yourself. One is an attack that has crappy range but can burn through anything on Earth. And one creates a mini-black hole that can be launched, sending the target into a different dimension assuming they survive it in the first place.

- Oh, yeah, it can somehow cut off access to the power of the strongest known demon in the world, though it may have had help from the fact that Kyuubi was sealed and it's host was fighting it's influence at the time.

Yeah, it's more broken than a Cyber-Stein deck with three Raigeki's, 3 Pot of Greeds, and 3 Harpie's Feather Dusters (little Yu-Gi-Oh CG humour there).

It can also rip you into another dimension and hypnotize you.

[Taltos]

I agree with pretty much everything G Man said, especially the part about Hidan.

You have to do something really evil to get it's final form. We don't know how Kakashi got his version so that's not an option unless you luck out, and it may only be because he's not a true Uchiha.
I still think Kakashi is able to use it b/c of obitos death. Sure itachi said you had to kill your best friend, but thats probably just his interpretation. A sacrifice of your best friend should be good enough.

It can also rip you into another dimension and hypnotize you.
he covered both of those.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I don't think they have showed if he has arms or not.Then I'm thinking that he has tentacles or vines, because of the venus-flytrap thing.
There are alot of things that are going to look bad ass once they are animated. I am personally looking forward to Gaara defending the sand village, because you know the animators are gonna add like an extra 10 scenes.That is the fight I'm also looking forward to the most. The only thing bad about it is that Gaara lost.;) Gaara better be damn badass next time he shows up.I seriously hope Zetsu somehow finds Hidan and digs him out just so he can confront Shika again and say "I told you so!!!!"There's something about what Hidan said that makes me believe that he actually can get out of that hole despite being just a head. But most likely, if he comes back, it will be Zetsu who saves his ass.

And if that happens then there might be a pattern to these Akatsuki confrontations. The strongest of the duo dies while the weaker lives and gets a new partner.

[R Krippler]

And if that happens then there might be a pattern to these Akatsuki confrontations. The strongest of the duo dies while the weaker lives and gets a new partner.

I never thought about it that way. I loved Hidan as a character so if he comes back to fight Shika I am all for it.

On a side note did anyone else notice that Shika "grew-up" when no one saved his butt.

Now Naruto is learning to control

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[R Krippler]

And if that happens then there might be a pattern to these Akatsuki confrontations. The strongest of the duo dies while the weaker lives and gets a new partner.

I never thought about it that way. I loved Hidan as a character so if he comes back to fight Shika I am all for it.

On a side note did anyone else notice that Shika "grew-up" when no one saved his butt.

Now Naruto is learning to control the 9tails chakra

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[sehthan]

Incidentally, Shikmaru loses points for letting his desire for vengeance make him a dumbass in the end of a fight that was already absurdly rigged to try and make him look good. The perfect source for info on Akatsuki, a prisoner who could never hope to escape, and who is easily transported, and he buries him where no one but him can find the guy and plans on just leaving him there? Dumbass.


I think dumbass is a bit harsh. You've got a point, buy I question how useful a prisoner Hidan would really be. How do you interrogate a religious fanatic who laughs off pain and may not be killable? It's not like you'd have much leverage with the guy. And if you hold him prionser, you risk an Akatsuki rescue mission. He may be more trouble than he's worth.

Besides, Shika could still dig him out if he needs to.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I think dumbass is a but harsh. You've got a point, buy I question how useful a prisoner Hidan would really be. How do you interrogate a religious fanatic who laughs off pain and may not be killable? It's not like you'd have much leverage with the guy. And if you hold him prionser, you risk an Akatsuki rescue mission. He may be more trouble than he's worth.

Besides, Shika could still dig him out if he needs to.And even if he can't both Kakashi and Yamato know earth-jutsus.

Ten bucks says that they dig up the hole to take the head with them but then discover that it's missing.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well that was anti-climactic.

The jutsu is awesome though, but is naruto really planning on using that against Sasuke?