Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion Fun Thread!

[Wally_West]

Which time? First or second humiliation?:tongue:

Sorry, just fueling the flames for some inane reason.

The second time was especially embarrassing. Like the annoying kid in 4th grade that would always try to sound 3 grades smarter than everyone else. But always got shut down by the teacher.

[Guy1]

Which time? First or second humiliation?:tongue:

Sorry, just fueling the flames for some inane reason.

The second time was especially embarrassing. Like the annoying kid in 4th grade that would always try to sound 3 grades smarter than everyone else. But always got shut down by the teacher.

The first time was bs writing sure, but it gave us some hope of him coming back.
The second time was much worse, as it was only to showcase Itachi's BS megasuperspecial jutsu of ownage which he just made up on the fly. It's even worse that this was a sick and dying Itachi who was nearly blind and at half power.
Biggest BS moment ever.

[The Once And Forever]

One thing, we don't know just how much power Itachi gave to Naruto, I think its unfair to say he gave him half.

[Guy1]

One thing, we don't know just how much power Itachi gave to Naruto, I think its unfair to say he gave him half.

Didn't he outright say he gave Naruto half of his power though?

[The Once And Forever]

Didn't he outright say he gave Naruto half of his power though?

Second panel down, on the right. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/)

[Guy1]

Second panel down, on the right. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/)

Ah, got it then, my point stands though.

[Dark Soul # 7]

The first time was bs writing sure, but it gave us some hope of him coming back.
The second time was much worse, as it was only to showcase Itachi's BS megasuperspecial jutsu of ownage which he just made up on the fly. It's even worse that this was a sick and dying Itachi who was nearly blind and at half power.
Biggest BS moment ever.Well at least we have Kaborochimaru...
That makes me want to cry for some reason.

[The Once And Forever]

Ah, got it then, my point stands though.

Yah, you know I hated that moment anyways.

[Wally_West]

Yah, you know I hated that moment anyways.

it was kinda gross...

[The Once And Forever]

it was kinda gross...

Not that, I hate it because it marked the transformation from a manga called Naruto, to a manga called Uchiha.

[Ragnorok64]

More Madara may be Obito clues. Madara blocked Suigetsu's sword with one arm. On the side that Obito had crushed. Though the art does make it appear that both his arms are artificial so who knows.

[lokisedge]

I'm sorry if my opinion of Sasuke makes me hypnotized by the sharigan, but I really think Sasuke is the glue that ties it all up for Naruto and even Sakura. Senju's and the Uchiha's have been major plot devices, and I won't be surprised if Minato and Kushina have ties to Uchiha's as well.

[Wally_West]

Not that, I hate it because it marked the transformation from a manga called Naruto, to a manga called Uchiha.

oh. haha. we're on different pages here. lol.

[Wally_West]

More Madara may be Obito clues. Madara blocked Suigetsu's sword with one arm. On the side that Obito had crushed. Though the art does make it appear that both his arms are artificial so who knows.

DUDE. as much as I would LOVE to see this little twist, I've long since given up on it being a possibility. However, thank you for being the only other person to believe it as a possibility. And yes, it's suspicious that he only shows one of his eyes, the one that he didnt give kakashi. I basically gave up on this theory when the writer revealed that tobi was an uchiha, and madara nonetheless.

So theres still that little bit inside me saying believe, like I did with the celtics in game 4 last night, but the majority of me has given up hope.

[master of read]

man, there are still people who think its obito?

[Wally_West]

man, there are still people who think its obito?

Yes. But that doesnt mean we epic fail. I hope you keep that in mind. :wink:

[master of read]

Yes. But that doesnt mean we epic fail. I hope you keep that in mind. :wink:

ahhh dont worry about it, double w. it takes more than believeing obito is madara to epic fail with me.

[Wally_West]

ahhh dont worry about it, double w. it takes more than believeing obito is madara to epic fail with me.

Wow...that worries me.

Now what if I started bringing up random questionable "facts" and pictures with red circles in random locations? Like, if I took a picture of tobi's mask, and circled the right eye, and said, "LOOK!! He is only right eyed. So is Obito. He's Obito!!"

And then after getting into an argument with everyone, and through insurmountable evidence on the contrary, still denied it?

[Guy1]

Wow...that worries me.

Now what if I started bringing up random questionable "facts" and pictures with red circles in random locations? Like, if I took a picture of tobi's mask, and circled the right eye, and said, "LOOK!! He is only right eyed. So is Obito. He's Obito!!"

And then after getting into an argument with everyone, and through insurmountable evidence on the contrary, still denied it?

That'll get you mocked first, then failed epically.

[Wally_West]

That'll get you mocked first, then failed epically.

Wow...I must have jumped in in the middle between the mockery and failage then...cuz thats all i saw MOR doing. LOL. I thought it was funny but mean...didn't realize the dude was being annoying for that long.

[master of read]

Wow...I must have jumped in in the middle between the mockery and failage then...cuz thats all i saw MOR doing. LOL. I thought it was funny but mean...didn't realize the dude was being annoying for that long.



it from annoying to mind nimblingly stupid when he decided it would be a good idea to go to the one piece thread and talk about the greatness of the uchiha while saying luffy could be replaced with a rubber band.

[Ragnorok64]

Really people have abandoned the theory already? I couldn't really care one way or the other but there's so much foreshadowing going on that something has to be up. I still think there might be an Obito connection somehow because one of the people that Kichimoto has said will be focused on this year is Kakashi.

Course it could all be misdirection and I'm falling face first into it. :redface: There simply seems to be to much being put on the table for it to end up as nothing.

[The Once And Forever]

Really people have abandoned the theory already? I couldn't really care one way or the other but there's so much foreshadowing going on that something has to be up. I still think there might be an Obito connection somehow because one of the people that Kichimoto has said will be focused on this year is Kakashi.

Course it could all be misdirection and I'm falling face first into it. :redface: There simply seems to be to much being put on the table for it to end up as nothing.

Where did he talk about who was going to see screen-time?

[Narutokun]

Where did he talk about who was going to see screen-time?

In one of his interviews, don't have where though...and I too hope it turns out to be obito, because that would just be darn cool...who knows though!

[Wally_West]

it from annoying to mind nimblingly stupid when he decided it would be a good idea to go to the one piece thread and talk about the greatness of the uchiha while saying luffy could be replaced with a rubber band.

ROFL. What a tard. Now I totally agree with the epic fail. =P

And Luffy as a rubber band is hilarious? Isn't he the one that can do the super-stretchy? Sorry, I don't watch/read one piece. It was just far along for me to really bother. lol.

[Guy1]

it from annoying to mind nimblingly stupid when he decided it would be a good idea to go to the one piece thread and talk about the greatness of the uchiha while saying luffy could be replaced with a rubber band.

What pisses me off is that I reported him twice for his repeated insulting of other posters there, yet no actions were ever taken against lokisedge.

[lokisedge]

What pisses me off is that I reported him twice for his repeated insulting of other posters there, yet no actions were ever taken against lokisedge.Because I don't flame other members. And I'm not breaking any rule.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

So...the tailed beasts were like Pokemon back in the day.


Gotta catch'em all! Then use them as WMDs for peace-time brinkmanship and mind games.

[The Once And Forever]

So...the tailed beasts were like Pokemon back in the day.


Gotta catch'em all! Then use them as WMDs for peace-time brinkmanship and mind games.

Look, if Pokemon looked like the Biju...I'd still be playing it.

That's just me of course.

[Guy1]

Because I don't flame other members. And I'm not breaking any rule.

Don't give me that.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6983452&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984305&postcount=1357
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=6984279#post6984279
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984499&postcount=1373
You barged into the One Piece thread and began flaming everyone, called us 12year olds, claimed we fapped to Luffy, and you have called posters idiots. Don't give me that bull innocent act because it isn't going to work.
You flamed everyone in the One Piece thread. That's against board rules Troll.

[master of read]

Don't give me that crap.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6983452&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984305&postcount=1357
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=6984279#post6984279
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984499&postcount=1373
You barged into the One Piece thread and began flaming everyone, called us 12year olds, claimed we fapped to Luffy, and you have called posters idiots. Don't give me that bull innocent act because it isn't going to work.
You flamed everyone in the One Piece thread. That's against board rules Troll.

and thus the reason he's on my ignore list. in fact, he's the first one i've ever ignored since i've been on here, all these years.

[DaeJi]

So everyone found out about Jiraya before Naruto... a small plot point, but one that could be used to amazing effects. I know this is supposed to be Sasuke's (Boooo... get out of the @#$%ing way and let Naruto star in his own damn comic!), Sakura's, and Kakashi's year, but how the hell can the writer just ignore Naruto now?! He needs the screen now that he knows about Jiraya, and he needs it badly! Grrr...

[Guy1]

So everyone found out about Jiraya before Naruto... a small plot point, but one that could be used to amazing effects. I know this is supposed to be Sasuke's (Boooo... get out of the @#$%ing way and let Naruto star in his own damn comic!), Sakura's, and Kakashi's year, but how the hell can the writer just ignore Naruto now?! He needs the screen now that he knows about Jiraya, and he needs it badly! Grrr...

What could work is show small snippets of Naruto moping around after Jiraya's death, then being approached by the frog dude. He then goes off to train with him. Boom, now he can reasonbly be off screen. Enter Sakura: Naruto is off to train again, lord knows what Sasuke is up to now, the bad guys are uber. Time to come to terms with what she really wants in life and just how far she'll go to protect the village that she loves, the friends she has here, and the friend she wants to save.
Not sure what to do about Kakashi.

[master of read]

What could work is show small snippets of Naruto moping around after Jiraya's death, then being approached by the frog dude. He then goes off to train with him. Boom, now he can reasonbly be off screen. Enter Sakura: Naruto is off to train again, lord knows what Sasuke is up to now, the bad guys are uber. Time to come to terms with what she really wants in life and just how far she'll go to protect the village that she loves, the friends she has here, and the friend she wants to save.
Not sure what to do about Kakashi.

also coming to terms with her feelings for both sasuke and naruto. and naruto will need her now more than ever.

[Guy1]

also coming to terms with her feelings for both sasuke and naruto. and naruto will need her now more than ever.

Agreed. Him and Jiraya were close. And now he's fallen in the line of duty, the two need each other right now.

[master of read]

Agreed. Him and Jiraya were close. And now he's fallen in the line of duty, the two need each other right now.

jiraiya was his godfather and was the closest thing he had to a father. but he'd never admit it. to just lose him like that, it will kill naruto inside. and sakura, being his closest friend, will be the one to give him the comfort he needs. but she will also be the one to lite the fire in him to train like never before.

sakura could be naruto's pillar in this trying time.

[DaeJi]

I also want to see more Pein. I don't really want to see a Tsunade vs. Pein fight (mostly because I want to see Tsunade kick Madara's ass First Hokage style), but I think a Pein vs. Madara is in the making (with Pein winning and everyone now being throughly screwed and setting the stage for Naruto to save the day).

[master of read]

i think naruto will have someone with him to fight pein. possible kakashi, sakura, sai, and/or tsunade.

[Len Ikari145]

Don't give me that.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6983452&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984305&postcount=1357
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=6984279#post6984279
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6984499&postcount=1373
You barged into the One Piece thread and began flaming everyone, called us 12year olds, claimed we fapped to Luffy, and you have called posters idiots. Don't give me that bull innocent act because it isn't going to work.
You flamed everyone in the One Piece thread. That's against board rules Troll.

Y'know, with that as acting evidence. We should just report him to the Mods(like you and MoR, I have him on Ignore, but seriously, he's violated enough of the boards' code of conduct to get a permaban).

[Guy1]

jiraiya was his godfather and was the closest thing he had to a father. but he'd never admit it. to just lose him like that, it will kill naruto inside. and sakura, being his closest friend, will be the one to give him the comfort he needs. but she will also be the one to lite the fire in him to train like never before.

sakura could be naruto's pillar in this trying time.

Agreed. What would be neat is Hinata trying to work up the courage to speak to him, to say anything, but she just can't do it until she sees Sakura comforting Naruto one-on-one. She then leaves to be by herself in the Forest of Death.Both for some time alone to reflect on herself and to train. After a good while of reflecting on herself, she basically throws herself into training. Swearing to herself that even if she doesn't have the courage to tell her feelings to Naruto, she will not him die, not on her watch.

[Guy1]

Y'know, with that as acting evidence. We should just report him to the Mods(like you and MoR, I have him on Ignore, but seriously, he's violated enough of the boards' code of conduct to get a permaban).

I have reported him twice and even PMed Gordon Smith about it. He said he would see what he could do.
Gordon's a fair enough guy that I trust him.

[Guy1]

I have reported him twice and even PMed Gordon Smith about it. He said he would see what he could do.
Gordon's a fair enough guy that I trust him.

That said, I agree, we should all report him, it makes the board and the rules we go by look bad if he gets off for what should logically be a banning.

[DaeJi]

i think naruto will have someone with him to fight pein. possible kakashi, sakura, sai, and/or tsunade.

I hope not. I think it's time that Naruto gets a change to face and beat a for on his own. That hasn't happened since.... Gaara? Too long, way too long.

[Melchior]

I am still on the Madara=Tobi=Obito bandwagon, but with a bit of a long-winded explanation. Oh, and is anyone else upset/curious about why Kishimoto is still hiding Madara's face?

So, here it is all broken-up and hopefully understandable.

Oh, and it is partially based on my old theory that Mist is a dark/broken mirror of the Leaf. And that Madara's luck has turned bad ever since he took his brother's eyes.

A long time ago, Madara tried to beat Senju in a fight, but had his back-up (Kyuubi) stolen from him and hidden. In a huff, he declares that he will found an even better village than Senju, and goes off and founds the Mist, becoming the first Mizukage. Kisame does not seem to refer to him as a particular generation, and other shows have indicated to me that the "Shodaime" counting word is not always used when referring to the initial leader. He even fathers/brings some Uchiha kids along since, hey, Uchiha are great! Madara even sets it up so that the genin have to kill a classmate to become a genin, so the Uchiha can get the Mangekyo Sharingan as soon as possible. This neatly dovetails the Uchiha training regime and the Mist training regime, and helps connect the histories.

Sadly, the kids are not shaping up quite as Madara would like, and he is starting to get old. Either by hook or crook, Madara gets ahold of a body-switch jutsu. Possibly the same as Orochimaru's, but more effective because Madara is using it on blood relatives and is not hauling an old body along. Madara does keep his nifty-keen eyes, though. This is the reason that it takes a moment for Kisame to recognize him. The face is different, but the eyes are the same, and Kisame respects the original bloodthirsty monster of the Mist.

Finally, Madara has the time and health to train his progeny up to his standards.... when he realizes that he is going to go through 2-3 Uchiha every time he switches bodies, which means that he's burning through his elites almost as fast as he can breed them and get their eyes activated. Madara is fairly upset at this, since that means that his village is still weaker than the Leaf (though some of the other bloodlines are showing promise). Madara appoints an overseer/new Mizukage, and goes out to try to gather more strength. Madara learns that the Senju's bijuu controlling ability has fallen through, and founds Akatsuki to hunt down the bijuu so that Madara can try to control them for himself. To help bring them out of hiding, Madara incites the Third Hidden War.

This trick mostly works. Madara finds out about the bijuu and jinchuriki, swipes some non-Sharingan Uchiha to help build the clan back home, and towards the end of the war comes across the Kyuubi. After much danger, Madara nearly gets the Kyuubi back under his control, when a passing scouting group shows up. Madara breaks eye-contact with the upset beast, which wipes out the scouting group and severly injures Madara. Madara manages to escape, tracing back the scouts' path, and comes across Kakashi and Obito. Madara manages to recognize Obito as an Uchiha, and tails them while rejoicing about his luck finally coming back to him. After Kakashi and Rin leave the cave, Madara leaps in, "rescues" Obito, and realizes that Obito is not much better off than Madara. Madara fixes what damage he can, and switches with Obito, only to realize a horrible truth: Obito is significantly weaker than Madara, and barely has a Sharingan. This is when Madara realizes how much information about the Sharingan has been sealed from the Uchiha. Anyway, Madara meets up with some of the other Akatsuki, and finishes fixing up body so he can get back to the Mist and get a decent one.

Sadly, this is not to be. The war had ended at this point, and the various bloodline clans were upset at the current Mizukage for holding the Uchiha back in reserve. This was on Madara's orders, since the Leaf would wipe Mist off the map if they discovered a new clan of Uchiha before the clan had enough members to protect itself. The Kaguya clan led a number of the other bloodline clans against the Uchiha and the Mizukage. The Uchiha were wiped out, along with all of the attackers, and this led to the bloodline purge. Madara would have crushed the Mizukage, but was running around in a weak genin's body. So he left messages to incite some of the more powerful ninja to leave, and went to see if he could find a better body in Konoha.

That plan would have worked fine, except the Kyuubi had recently shown up in Konoha looking to finish off Madara (the fox didn't get his forwarding address). The higher-ups assumed that the Uchiha were responsible, and would have been if Madara had a few more years to prepare. As it was, they were watched too closely at the time to try to just kidnap someone, let alone convince them to join him. So Madara just accepted the inevitable, and got used to Obito's body while trying to find a good time to sway Uchiha to his cause. He thought this would be easy since he was the grandmaster of the Sharingan, and that's how he met Itachi.

Of course, after Orochimaru's little stunt, Itachi was too on-guard to force a body-swap, so Madara decided to wait until he was weakened in a fight to perform the swap. Itachi figured this out, and proceded to be very careful on how much he exhausted himself to prevent anything, and even went out of his way to pick-up a wasting disease so his body would be useless to Madara for attacking Konoha. Madara just cannot catch a break.

That's how I would explain it, anyway. Other theories later, if you like.

[master of read]

I have reported him twice and even PMed Gordon Smith about it. He said he would see what he could do.
Gordon's a fair enough guy that I trust him.

gordon sent me a pm about him. he just said to ignore the guy cause he was making me nuts. i should say thanks to gordon since he brought me back to my senses. but yeah, gordon is a pretty fair guy.

[Len Ikari145]

gordon sent me a pm about him. he just said to ignore the guy cause he was making me nuts. i should say thanks to gordon since he brought me back to my senses. but yeah, gordon is a pretty fair guy.

Yeah, Gordon's a respectable mod you can trust.

So back into the discussion: Am I the only one who forsees another Naruto-Kyuubi encounter coming up soon given Naruto's current mood?

[Legato]

Y'know, with that as acting evidence. We should just report him to the Mods(like you and MoR, I have him on Ignore, but seriously, he's violated enough of the boards' code of conduct to get a permaban).

I say ignore also. Coming from experience no need getting into a senseless fight with a guy that is obviously just trying to get attention by firing up some of the posters.

If anything I would report him to Jonah Weiland about the problem and how it has been ignored. I remember a poster in the TV/Film forum was causing trouble and no matter how many times I reported him he dont get banned.

That is until I contacted Jonah and he was banned just like that because I had enough of the guy causing trouble on the forum.

If anything I say keep reporting the situation to Jonah, voice the problem to him out, till action is done.

[master of read]

i have a bad feeling now. i remembered the convo the fox had with sasuke and how he warned "not to kill naruto"

i have a bad feeling that might happen.

[Guy1]

Getting off topic of the troll for a moment, who here thinks Shurikenger and Rock Lee would get along?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxSHWB14oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wMkVbFXPcE

[The Once And Forever]

So back into the discussion: Am I the only one who forsees another Naruto-Kyuubi encounter coming up soon given Naruto's current mood?

I do, and a possible face heel turn, not likely, but its my favorite pet theory as of now.

i have a bad feeling now. i remembered the convo the fox had with sasuke and how he warned "not to kill naruto"

i have a bad feeling that might happen.

Really? I think its less likely to happen now that Sasuke knows the "truth".

[master of read]

but why would it be mentioned in the story unless it was probably gonna happen. i mean,what would happen if naruto died?

[The Once And Forever]

but why would it be mentioned in the story unless it was probably gonna happen. i mean,what would happen if naruto died?

The fox dies too.

[Len Ikari145]

The fox dies too.

Actually, with the way the seal is now, he would probably be free. Wasn't it mentioned in a conversation between Tsunade, Kakashi and Jiraiya that if Naruto died as he is, he would unleash the Nine-Tails?

[lokisedge]

I think Sakura will still contuniue to love Sasuke and protect Naruto the same as a little brother by training with Shizune after Tsunade dies.

[The Once And Forever]

Actually, with the way the seal is now, he would probably be free. Wasn't it mentioned in a conversation between Tsunade, Kakashi and Jiraiya that if Naruto died as he is, he would unleash the Nine-Tails?

I think it was if he used it as much as he had. I'll look though to be sure.

I think Sakura will still contuniue to love Sasuke and protect Naruto the same as a little brother by training with Shizune after Tsunade dies.

Honestly, about as likely as my Naruto heel turn, but you do bring an interesting idea out of me.

[lokisedge]

Honestly, about as likely as my Naruto heel turn, but you do bring an interesting idea out of me.Do you honestly think Sakura's over Sasuke? If so, your so in denial. And since it's her arc somewhat and Sasuke's getting ready to come over their, you'll best believe he's going to confront Sakura.

[Nik Hasta]

Do you honestly think Sakura's over Sasuke? If so, your so in denial. And since it's her arc somewhat and Sasuke's getting ready to come over their, you'll best believe he's going to confront Sakura.

I think she is.

She only ever had a girlish crush on him and the guy hasn't exactly been a stellar example of humanity recently. I don't think she's going to care for him much beyond close friend when they meet up again.

Heck if I were her I'd punch him out for being such a dumbass.

[Alex L]

One thing, we don't know just how much power Itachi gave to Naruto, I think its unfair to say he gave him half.

Just enough to break Mangekyou if he encounters it again, would be my guess.

But the rest of it went to Sasuke.

[Surtur]

Damn, I just got myself up to date, having not read the manga singe Jiraiya died.

I have to say, the whole "itachi wasn't a bad guy" thing, was complete and utter non-sense. Blah, I don't know how much more of this I can stomach.

[The Once And Forever]

Do you honestly think Sakura's over Sasuke? If so, your so in denial. And since it's her arc somewhat and Sasuke's getting ready to come over their, you'll best believe he's going to confront Sakura.

Uh...What love? Do you refer to that childish crush she had? Yeah, I think that's gone, as illustrated when she was perfectly willing to tag him in the jaw, and considering that he plans to kill the elders she'll me more than willing to now.

Just enough to break Mangekyou if he encounters it again, would be my guess.

But the rest of it went to Sasuke.

Think he might have spilt it up? Sasuke gets Ameretsu and Naruto gets Tsukioyomi(or at least resistance?)

[Narutokun]

Uh...What love? Do you refer to that childish crush she had? Yeah, I think that's gone, as illustrated when she was perfectly willing to tag him in the jaw, and considering that he plans to kill the elders she'll me more than willing to now.



Think he might have spilt it up? Sasuke gets Ameretsu and Naruto gets Tsukioyomi(or at least resistance?)

Not really sure, I don't think Sasuke will be able to control Ameretsu...I think it just happens whenver he see's Madara's eye...but hopefully naruto gets something to block the eye techniques...now that would be cool...cause if sasuke can block the Nine tails, that would put them on even ground!

[DarkBlade]

Guy1, some of your reported posts were not actually insults to anyone or breaking any board rules, but simply ones that annoyed you personally.

However.

Lokisedge, you HAVE made some insulting remarks regarding poster grammar and a few other personal insults. Please refrain from doing so, or you WILL be banned. This is your warning.


Folks, sorry I've been absent. Life snuck up on me.

[bluedmighty]

I read aninteresting rumor somehere that Itatchi gave Naruto some of the Fourth's techniques or others that he may have copied.

Unfounded rumor, to be sure.

But Naruto, with ACTUAL jutsu, would be amazing.

On that note I hope he does go off with the Frog sages to train.


About Sakura,

At this point, I think she holds out for Suaske for Naruto's sake. I really think she's grown to love him and it's REALLY important to him for him to keep his promiss. But, on a personal level, I think she's grown to really hate Suaske.

He's a missing nin. She knows and understands, on a level that Naruto won't accept, that Suaske has chosen his path. Make no mistake, if Sakura has to crush Sauske to save the village or Naruto, I think she'd flatten him.

If given the chance.

[Guy1]

Guy1, some of your reported posts were not actually insults to anyone or breaking any board rules, but simply ones that annoyed you personally.

However.

Lokisedge, you HAVE made some insulting remarks regarding poster grammar and a few other personal insults. Please refrain from doing so, or you WILL be banned. This is your warning.


Folks, sorry I've been absent. Life snuck up on me.

This is fair.
Thanks for this DarkBlade.

[Narutokun]

Guy1, some of your reported posts were not actually insults to anyone or breaking any board rules, but simply ones that annoyed you personally.

However.

Lokisedge, you HAVE made some insulting remarks regarding poster grammar and a few other personal insults. Please refrain from doing so, or you WILL be banned. This is your warning.


Folks, sorry I've been absent. Life snuck up on me.

Hey no problem :), thanks for being back!

[Narutokun]

I read aninteresting rumor somehere that Itatchi gave Naruto some of the Fourth's techniques or others that he may have copied.

Unfounded rumor, to be sure.

But Naruto, with ACTUAL jutsu, would be amazing.

On that note I hope he does go off with the Frog sages to train.


About Sakura,

At this point, I think she holds out for Suaske for Naruto's sake. I really think she's grown to love him and it's REALLY important to him for him to keep his promiss. But, on a personal level, I think she's grown to really hate Suaske.

He's a missing nin. She knows and understands, on a level that Naruto won't accept, that Suaske has chosen his path. Make no mistake, if Sakura has to crush Sauske to save the village or Naruto, I think she'd flatten him.

If given the chance.

I agree, yet I still think she wants sasuke back because he was a friend, not just because she knows how determined naruto is...but she would not hesitate to "crush" him either...at least I don't think...she would be much quicker then naruto, cause naruto would try to talk about it more then Sakura at this point

[master of read]

Guy1, some of your reported posts were not actually insults to anyone or breaking any board rules, but simply ones that annoyed you personally.

However.

Lokisedge, you HAVE made some insulting remarks regarding poster grammar and a few other personal insults. Please refrain from doing so, or you WILL be banned. This is your warning.


Folks, sorry I've been absent. Life snuck up on me.

life happens DB. its ok. and thanks.

[Len Ikari145]

I read aninteresting rumor somehere that Itatchi gave Naruto some of the Fourth's techniques or others that he may have copied.

Unfounded rumor, to be sure.

But Naruto, with ACTUAL jutsu, would be amazing.

On that note I hope he does go off with the Frog sages to train.


About Sakura,

At this point, I think she holds out for Suaske for Naruto's sake. I really think she's grown to love him and it's REALLY important to him for him to keep his promiss. But, on a personal level, I think she's grown to really hate Suaske.

He's a missing nin. She knows and understands, on a level that Naruto won't accept, that Suaske has chosen his path. Make no mistake, if Sakura has to crush Sauske to save the village or Naruto, I think she'd flatten him.

If given the chance.

That's what I personally think. Remember how she was when Naruto was hospitalized after using Rasenshuriken for the first time? When he mentioned about how they were getting closer to recovering Sasuke, she had this very doubtful/uncomfortable expression on her face. She's obviously beginning to think that retrieving Sasuke isn't worth it considering the pain it puts Naruto through and in light of her growing feelings for him.

[master of read]

That's what I personally think. Remember how she was when Naruto was hospitalized after using Rasenshuriken for the first time? When he mentioned about how they were getting closer to recovering Sasuke, she had this very doubtful/uncomfortable expression on her face. She's obviously beginning to think that retrieving Sasuke isn't worth it considering the pain it puts Naruto through and in light of her growing feelings for him.

i really havent seen how she wants to find sasuke, at least not as much as naruto. she probably doesnt want to mention him too much seeing how far he is willing to go to keep the promise he made to her.

[Len Ikari145]

i really havent seen how she wants to find sasuke, at least not as much as naruto. she probably doesnt want to mention him too much seeing how far he is willing to go to keep the promise he made to her.

As usual, we think alike.:biggrin:

[The Once And Forever]

Not really sure, I don't think Sasuke will be able to control Ameretsu...I think it just happens whenver he see's Madara's eye...but hopefully naruto gets something to block the eye techniques...now that would be cool...cause if sasuke can block the Nine tails, that would put them on even ground!

And be enough of a mind-whammy for me that Sasuke could win that fight and I'd be satisfied, just seeing the look on his face as Naruto shook off the Sharingan...All the wankage would just be worth it for that one look.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Not really sure, I don't think Sasuke will be able to control Ameretsu...I think it just happens whenver he see's Madara's eye

That was only programmed for a one-shot by Itachi, a gambit to nail Madara when he wasn't expecting it.

[Narutokun]

That was only programmed for a one-shot by Itachi, a gambit to nail Madara when he wasn't expecting it.

Ok, but where does it indicate that Sasuke will be able to control it? It is very likely that it was a one timething...

[Narutokun]

And be enough of a mind-whammy for me that Sasuke could win that fight and I'd be satisfied, just seeing the look on his face as Naruto shook off the Sharingan...All the wankage would just be worth it for that one look.

Yes it would, I would be rolling over in tears...but I think Naruto would win the fight...hopefully at least :)

[Narutokun]

Yes it would, I would be rolling over in tears...but I think Naruto would win the fight...hopefully at least :)

Laughing, sorry had to clarify!

[The Once And Forever]

Yes it would, I would be rolling over in tears...but I think Naruto would win the fight...hopefully at least :)

You could name that chapter "Payback's a Bitch".

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Yes it would, I would be rolling over in tears...but I think Naruto would win the fight...hopefully at least :)

Naruto would still have to come up with a Genjutsu counter, however.

[Nick Soapdish]

That's what I personally think. Remember how she was when Naruto was hospitalized after using Rasenshuriken for the first time? When he mentioned about how they were getting closer to recovering Sasuke, she had this very doubtful/uncomfortable expression on her face. She's obviously beginning to think that retrieving Sasuke isn't worth it considering the pain it puts Naruto through and in light of her growing feelings for him.

Yep, I'm at about the same place.

I'm a big NaruSaku fan so I might be a bit biased, but I think that Sakura is losing her crush on Sasuke (although she may not realize it) and is falling for Naruto.

[Deskad]

Naruto would still have to come up with a Genjutsu counter, however.

Wouldn't that be the part where Naruto's genjutsu countering technique would come in handy?

[tipo4thesoul]

Hmm,

If Naruto was able to shake off the sharigan or better yet, the M.S while Sasuke is trying to control the fox. Naruto should say something along the lines of, "Get that shit outta here"

[lokisedge]

Yep, I'm at about the same place.

I'm a big NaruSaku fan so I might be a bit biased, but I think that Sakura is losing her crush on Sasuke (although she may not realize it) and is falling for Naruto.I think yopur both seeing misconceptions from different viewpoints, in that scene their was nothing indicating romance between the two. It was a bond between friends believing they are getting stronger and becoming close to get Sasuke back.

Oh and for Sakura getting over Sasuke. Any scene where Sasuke's in danger she shows constant worry for him than you would see from just mere friendship.

Unreachable Feelings (Sakura's POV in chapter 181)
Sasuke has left the village of Konoha. Sakura's feelings has not yet reached across to him. For the lonely pacifist in Sakura, the absence of a teammate brings unbearable pain.
Not to mention Sasuke is the one she loves the most. This is why Sakura strains her voice and continues to cry out her unreachable feelings. As if it is something that suffocates her, a fate that is beyond her control.

Turning Point (Sakura learning that Naruto failed)
When she realizes Sasuke has gone to a place that she cannot reach, Sakura quickly looks to correct herself, as a friend... as a ninja... And she comes to a realization that this is not the end but the beginning.

Journey (Naruto promising Sakura again and Sakura becoming Tsunade's apprentice)
Vowing on a new path, Sakura is determined to bring back Sasuke with her own strength. No matter how dangerous the journey is, she will not back down, for this path has now become her nindo.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Parting (Sasuke's POV in chapter 181)
As Sasuke walks deep into the darkness, Sakura appears before him. She tries her hardest to send her feelings across to the departing Sasuke, who refuses to turn around. Not wanting to lose him, [she confesses] her strong and earnest feelings [to him]...
Sakura tries to replace the loneliness that had been filling his entire existense with love. But Sasuke is unable to answer her feelings. At the end, he leaves her with only a word of gratitude rather than words of parting.

Friends and Dreams (Sasuke telling Naruto that his dream is in the past)
A warm future filled with friendship and love, but he is unable to fulfill his own dream there. This is why Sasuke abandons the future that includes his friends, in order for his dream called revenge to be fulfilled...

Thios is from the databook from part one and part 2.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p35/SasuSaku_Compilation/Chapter%20Covers/naruto_ch265_p01.png

and

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p35/SasuSaku_Compilation/Chapter%20Covers/00.jpg

And.....I of course support SasuSaku like a rabid beast. It mentions in the databook 2 how it pains Sakura to lose a teammate, especially when it's a person she loves (literal translation = beloved person). And then later it mentions how Naruto is someone she can truly rely on and gives her hope. I've heard NaruSaku-ers argue that Sasuke leaving gave Sakura a reason (pain) to be strong, but it was Naruto who gave her the strength to do so (horrible paraphrase, don't feel like finding it) - but the way I see it, having it that way makes team 7 more connected - this way it shows how they all need each other to not fall into the same fate as the Sannin (whereas after Dan died, Tsunade just kind of gave up). But even though Naruto gave her hope and proved someone she could rely on, he's giving her hope and stabilization to rescue Sasuke herself (and help Naruto do it) instead of not being able to do anything - and not something along the lines of realizing he's the person she could always rely on unlike Sasuke who abandoned her and caused her pain, so she's going to start falling for Naruto (imo).

And since I keep hearing reasons of how Naruto is better for Sakura because he encourages her all the time whereas Sasuke only did it once, and also criticizes her - I can do the same thing, only while using the databook to back me up. Before I read the databook, I said how Sasuke is actually what Sakura needs because she needs someone to not just shower her with compliments - she tends to hide her real feelings, so compliments aren't going to hit the root of her problem - she needs to face reality, and have someone be realistic with her to help her do that (yes, criticism can be a good thing). And here's what it says in the databook (all courtesy of Inquisitive's translation):


Quote:
Only after Sasuke, on whom she had always leaned on, leaves does she begin to face her true self.
(Pic of Sakura leaning on door) "Gone..."

It wasn't until she had to face reality of the situation and herself that she was able to find her own strength internally to make the decision to train under Tsunade. We saw a little bit of this in the FoD when she took the first step then. Naruto's compliments/encouragement would never have motivated her to do this - he can't help her with this problem, especially since he's oblivious to it. Whereas Sasuke was at least aware of it and intentionally helped - and it did boost her confidence because he got her to admit herself her own ability to see through genjutsu. While Naruto did help during the Ino-Sakura fight, I don't think he is aware of her lack of confidence so it wasn't as specifically intentional as Sasuke's was imo.

And if NaruSaku was meant to be, it wouldn't have so much contridictions and imperfecties, it would be truthful, honest, serious, and authentic. First, the argument about Inner-Sakura popping up around Sasuke because she's never herself around him - well, that's not quite true. She does yell and act agressive around him - and not just to Naruto, she did it toward Haku I think it was in the Wave arc while standing right next to Sasuke; there was only one occasion that I can think of where she actually pretended to be opposite of what she really felt (chalkboard eraser prank), whereas the rest of the time it's expressing her private feelings that would be inappropriate to say outloud. I'm just going off of memory, though, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Second, she has a tendency to hide her true feelings. In fact, Ino pointed out when she did it very purposely to Naruto in the FoD about the gravity of the situation and the real reason she cut her hair. This doesn't sound like being natural around Naruto. She does this again in Part 2 about her scar. So once again, it's not like she is completely herself around Naruto, but still hides things from him, too.

Third, I think there are several scenes where Sakura truly displays how she feels completely in front of people: the first being the "Thank You" scene - she made herself very vulnerable in her honest display of emotions toward Sasuke; the second being when she still can't hold back her tears and begs Naruto to bring Sasuke back - once again, she isn't hiding her feelings but is being very honest, this time in front of Naruto and the team going after Sasuke plus Lee. Both of these are displays for her feelings for Sasuke. While there are other scenes where she's displaying her true feelings (Sasuke "death" scene, cursed seal hug, running after KN4-Naruto - which are also important displays of her character), I feel these two are ones where she's completely open and puts herself in an emotionally vulnerable position by exposing her raw emotions - especially the first example - and they are both related to her feelings for Sasuke, although I'm tempted to add what I wrote in parentheses to this list as well. Anyway, point is, I think she was actually the most open and honest with her feelings in the "Thank You" scene with Sasuke than her humorous agression with Naruto (that she does in front of Sasuke, just not to him).

[master of read]

Yep, I'm at about the same place.

I'm a big NaruSaku fan so I might be a bit biased, but I think that Sakura is losing her crush on Sasuke (although she may not realize it) and is falling for Naruto.

i think her crush has evolved into a bond of friendship with sasuke. i think that she came to realize that she was in love with the image of sasuke but not sasuke himself.

[lokisedge]

That's what I personally think. Remember how she was when Naruto was hospitalized after using Rasenshuriken for the first time? When he mentioned about how they were getting closer to recovering Sasuke, she had this very doubtful/uncomfortable expression on her face. She's obviously beginning to think that retrieving Sasuke isn't worth it considering the pain it puts Naruto through and in light of her growing feelings for him.Or it could be realizing her raw emotions when people she cares about is carrying heavy burdens on their selfs, feeling guilty that despite her personal feelings to Sasuke and her own reasons to get Sasuke back, she feels that Naruto shouldn't be the one doing this alone as she's just as desperate as Naruto to get Sasuke back. You shouldn't judge misconcpetions based on baseless conclusions, she has equal and vital obligation to protect and care for Sasuke and Naruto like their her own boyfriend(Sasuke) or brother(Naruto). And BTW, she does have interest in Sasuke's wellfare and safety, she does have as much passion to save Sasuke as much as Naruto.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p35/SasuSaku_Compilation/Manga%20Scans/Chapter%20350/05.jpg

See even her panel has much more emotion than Naruto's.

i think her crush has evolved into a bond of friendship with sasuke. i think that she came to realize that she was in love with the image of sasuke but not sasuke himself.More like it started as a crush and evolved into a full blow romance and authentic affection. In her databook it says her passion for Sasuke is undying and she's shown instances where she would take the flaws and imperfecties of Sasuke and her opinion of him wouldn't change in her perspect.

[Robotech Master]

Databooks that are written prior to the end of the manga aren't good sources of evidence for speculation on what will happen near the end of said manga.

Not only have there been instances where databook information didn't happen in a series, but Kishi himself has noted, several times, that his own sense of the characters was evolving, in many instances changing into something he didn't expect at the time of their creation.

Sasuke, for instance, was initially a character Kishi didn't even want to do until the higher ups told him he needed a rival for the main character. Virtually all of Sasuke's development was thought up by Kishi later on as he developed the manga. In a similar fashion, he originally created Sakura just to be the annoying character, and wanted her to symbolize nothing more than "human weakness." That's why her character barely does shit in part I; but he came upon different plans for her character, which is why we've seen her play a larger role in Part II so far, and probably while we're going to see some development for her this year.

[master of read]

Databooks that are written prior to the end of the manga aren't good sources of evidence for speculation on what will happen near the end of said manga.

Not only have there been instances where databook information didn't happen in a series, but Kishi himself has noted, several times, that his own sense of the characters was evolving, in many instances changing into something he didn't expect at the time of their creation.

Sasuke, for instance, was initially a character Kishi didn't even want to do until the higher ups told him he needed a rival for the main character. Virtually all of Sasuke's development was thought up by Kishi later on as he developed the manga. In a similar fashion, he originally created Sakura just to be the annoying character, and wanted her to symbolize nothing more than "human weakness." That's why her character barely does shit in part I; but he came upon different plans for her character, which is why we've seen her play a larger role in Part II so far, and probably while we're going to see some development for her this year.


sakura still has some development so her arc should be good. personally, i think her arc might also have some flash backs to her training, probably coming to terms with her losing the image of sasuke and seeing the reality of sasuke.

[Vaiyt]

Sasuke will try to control the fox to disable Naruto, only to realise it's sitting quietly beyond the seal and Naruto is using only his own chakra.

[lokisedge]

Sasuke will try to control the fox to disable Naruto, only to realise it's sitting quietly beyond the seal and Naruto is using only his own chakra.Or he could just fight Naruto with sharigan genjutsu and thats that. Whats with all these fanfiction scenarios on Sasuke's defeat? it's going to be PNJ anyway.

Databooks that are written prior to the end of the manga aren't good sources of evidence for speculation on what will happen near the end of said manga.

Not only have there been instances where databook information didn't happen in a series, but Kishi himself has noted, several times, that his own sense of the characters was evolving, in many instances changing into something he didn't expect at the time of their creation.

Sasuke, for instance, was initially a character Kishi didn't even want to do until the higher ups told him he needed a rival for the main character. Virtually all of Sasuke's development was thought up by Kishi later on as he developed the manga. In a similar fashion, he originally created Sakura just to be the annoying character, and wanted her to symbolize nothing more than "human weakness." That's why her character barely does shit in part I; but he came upon different plans for her character, which is why we've seen her play a larger role in Part II so far, and probably while we're going to see some development for her this year.That logic is flawed, databooks are immersely factual and unbiased sorces of info. Since there from the Mangkeka themselves. Calling databook info bias and inconclusive is like calling the author bias and inconclusive since it's his own Manga.


Kishi's databook info doesn't contrast to part 1 databook info, some probable events from their translation has been a big forshadowing for major characters to develop their characters, like Naruto and his reason to save Sasuke in the databook because of his word to himself and Sakura.

As for Sasuke, http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8352/maincharacterxw0.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maincharacterxw0.png)

That panel explains it all. Kishimoto considers Naruto more important than all the other character and also considers that the members of the original team seven are very important. Naruto is going to be the very best and most successful by the end of hte manga, but Kishimoto feels that he needs to develop the original team seven as well.

That's why Sakura and Kakashi are going to receive development later on in the year. Sasuke's development process has already begun, and Naruto's will begin soon (after he hears of Jiraiya's death).

Arguments:

But Naruto acts like a kid while Kishimoto makes Sasuke act so cool.


Those are design points for their characters. Kishimoto wanted Sasuke and Naruto to be the exact opposites, or ideal rivals.

http://i27.tinypic.com/oazvk9.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/154afl3.jpg

Sometimes, Kishi bends his statements in his atabook so he can use elements he establish and turn them into new original concepts, but that doesn't mean the elements from Part 1 and beyond will change significantly.

That's only because his development came first most likely because of plot sequence. In other words, Sasuke's development is going to have an effect on Naruto's and Sakura's development. Perhaps it may be what sparks Sakura's development.

Remember that the first time Sakura developed, it was because of her desire to save Sasuke.

A lot of people fail to realize how strong Naruto is going to become:


a.The key will allow him to control the Kyuubi's chakra even more than he can already. With it and Jiraiya's training over the timeskip that focused on Naruto's Kyuubi control, chances are that he will be able to release multiple tails without completely losing control of himself.
b. Naruto may learn the toad jutsus. It seems likely that they will train him since Jiraiya said that he is the chosen one and is no where as strong as Pein yet.
c. He now has a new and apparently very deadly jutsu from Itachi.
. Naruto will receive twenty years of training in one week using Kakashi's training technique.
e. Possibly a new Rasengan ;/


[I]Just be patient. The databook hasn't contridicted Sasuke's role as the ideal rival yet.

As for Sakura, she's not important to the plot, but her character gains development from either Naruto or Sasuke. She still is a minor character compared to Naruto and Sasuke and her development might be center on elements she established alone in part 1. She only became a medic ninja because of Sasuke. And she's very insifficent unless she needs to heal someone. After all, Sasuke was the one who first told her to get stronger and train herself so she wouldn't be annoying.

[Wally_West]

sakura still has some development so her arc should be good. personally, i think her arc might also have some flash backs to her training, probably coming to terms with her losing the image of sasuke and seeing the reality of sasuke.

I hope they develop Ino-pig. I miss her.

[lokisedge]

I hope they develop Ino-pig. I miss her.Yeah she's the one who Sakura got her tsundere character traits in the first place.

[Nik Hasta]

Out of interest Loki, though I'm probably going to regret asking, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

[tipo4thesoul]

RE: "Or he could just fight Naruto with sharigan genjutsu and thats that. Whats with all these fanfiction scenarios on Sasuke's defeat? it's going to be PNJ anyway."

This coming from someone with a thousand hypothetical reasons for why Sakura and Sasuke will get together. Either way you put it, Sasuke is destined to loss, just because he fell from grace.

[lokisedge]

Out of interest Loki, though I'm probably going to regret asking, what exactly are you trying to prove here?Mostly I trying to keep a sense of nonbais logic when defending Sasuke. Mostly everyone here has portrayed Sasuke as some in human monster who doesn't have a moral bone in his body. For the Sasusaku, I'm trying to establish original and pivitol dynamics that tie the two caracters together no matter how much evidence(mostly one sided and mis interpeted) Naruto and Sakura have and proving that Sasuke wasn't a bad seed as with Sakura and Naruto he was a massive noble nice guy in his own way and especially with Sakura he was gentle and kind despite his primary character of being arrogant and isolated.

Sasuke has his own path and his own issues that he needs to work on alone, not Naruto.

[FroFroYo]

I hope they develop Ino-pig. I miss her.



that would make me happy. :D

[Narutokun]

Mostly I trying to keep a sense of nonbais logic when defending Sasuke. Mostly everyone here has portrayed Sasuke as some in human monster who doesn't have a moral bone in his body. For the Sasusaku, I'm trying to establish original and pivitol dynamics that tie the two caracters together no matter how much evidence(mostly one sided and mis interpeted) Naruto and Sakura have and proving that Sasuke wasn't a bad seed as with Sakura and Naruto he was a massive noble nice guy in his own way and especially with Sakura he was gentle and kind despite his primary character of being arrogant and isolated.

Sasuke has his own path and his own issues that he needs to work on alone, not Naruto.

See there are people like me here who LIKE Sasuke, but not giving a bias opinion. Everyone here will tell you that YOU are the one giving the bias opinion. Now yes some don't like Sasuke, but that is not why they are saying Naruto and her will get together.

Anyways everyone should drop this, cause until it happens it really does not matter and is pointless.

And yes master I "should" put him on ignore, but until he just does something that I can't tolerate I won't, cause he does have some good points. For instance being serious about putting two guys in a "relationship" if he does that again def in ignore!

[Narutokun]

That was only programmed for a one-shot by Itachi, a gambit to nail Madara when he wasn't expecting it.

You know I read what you wrote wrong last time lol...that is more on the lines of what I am hoping, that Itachi only put that in his eye to go off that one time or everytime madara shows his face/eye...but I hope it is just that one time. This is not something he can control, it was a one time thing. Awesome and hopefully

[Guy1]

See there are people like me here who LIKE Sasuke, but not giving a bias opinion. Everyone here will tell you that YOU are the one giving the bias opinion. Now yes some don't like Sasuke, but that is not why they are saying Naruto and her will get together.

Anyways everyone should drop this, cause until it happens it really does not matter and is pointless.

And yes master I "should" put him on ignore, but until he just does something that I can't tolerate I won't, cause he does have some good points. For instance being serious about putting two guys in a "relationship" if he does that again def in ignore!

Personally I stopped listening to the 'points' after the insults he spouted at other posters.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Wouldn't that be the part where Naruto's genjutsu countering technique would come in handy?

Except for the fact that Itachi had the full suite of Sharingan powers (including Genjutsu null), as did Sasuke, and they'd still apparently found ways to make the Genjutsu work on their opponent. Which makes sense, Uchiha are going to figure out ways to work around the Sharingan's strengths if they have to.


So it'd be even *worse* if Naruto expected to be immune from Genjutsu.


*If* that's actually one of the abilities he was given, which is all conjecture.

[Vaiyt]

Or he could just fight Naruto with sharigan genjutsu and thats that. Whats with all these fanfiction scenarios on Sasuke's defeat? it's going to be PNJ anyway.
Don't worry, I wasn't trying to imagine a way for your precious, perfect and invincible Sasuke to lose. It was just an idea of one thing that could happen in a fight between him and Naruto.
You're not entitled to defend Sasuke. It's just a character. Lighten up.

[Narutokun]

Personally I stopped listening to the 'points' after the insults he spouted at other posters.

Very true...I agree that was bad...I am just hoping he stops doing that I guess. I can usually just skip or take a quick glance at his stuff...but if he makes serious homosexual references to naruto and or any character I will have to literally put him on ignore(meaning saying they are literally gay, cause they are not!).

[Wally_West]

Out of interest Loki, though I'm probably going to regret asking, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

He's hoping for sasuke to jump out of the pages and tell him he can join Eagle crew like he dreams about every night.

Personally, most guys, very few of my friends dream about guys...and to be honest, Loki is probably the only guy I know of that dreams about anime guys. Its extremely disturbing. He's worse than kimimaru.

[master of read]

See there are people like me here who LIKE Sasuke, but not giving a bias opinion. Everyone here will tell you that YOU are the one giving the bias opinion. Now yes some don't like Sasuke, but that is not why they are saying Naruto and her will get together.

Anyways everyone should drop this, cause until it happens it really does not matter and is pointless.

And yes master I "should" put him on ignore, but until he just does something that I can't tolerate I won't, cause he does have some good points. For instance being serious about putting two guys in a "relationship" if he does that again def in ignore!

that;s why i dont have a problem with you, narutokun. even though you do like sasuke, you understand the reality of sasuke. loki, on the other hand, is obssesed with the image of sasuke. you maintain a reasonable state and give very good points to your posts and around here, that will get you a lot respect around him. loki has shown none of that. he actually said that sasuke is a demon ninja and can solo everyone in konoha. and he actually believes that.

i just cant talk to a person like that without getting a headache.

[The Once And Forever]

I remember that thread, it was about girls that Sasuke could get along with.

Majority said that he couldn't get along with any of them, he and I were together in the minority that he'd make it with at least one.

Note: I agreed that he wouldn't get along with most of them, I just thought him and Cassie Cain might hit it off, what with him needing a good mother and all(afterall, genes and such)

Anyways, this isn't about Sasuke hate, cause I don't hate Sasuke. He's in my top five favorite characters, not ashamed to admit it or defend it, I think he's cool, and I still don't have a problem with him beating Deidara or Orochimaru, but this rampant screen time, where he does little but put on more power and generally get 'awesomer' is irritating. Even the biggest of Sasuke-fans'd get tired of it.

Well...Excluding Loki.

[lurkerinthedark]

Personally I stopped listening to the 'points' after the insults he spouted at other posters.
Ok granted I've half skipped all the SasuSaku stuff, (sorry loki but waaaay to much text for me to bother reading when it's about something I really don't care that much about) but I think people are being unfair to him. I really don't think he's been that insulting, very pro-Sasuke yes, but not really that insulting or rude.

He's hoping for sasuke to jump out of the pages and tell him he can join Eagle crew like he dreams about every night.

Personally, most guys, very few of my friends dream about guys...and to be honest, Loki is probably the only guy I know of that dreams about anime guys. Its extremely disturbing. He's worse than kimimaru.

And he's supposed to be the one insulting other posters?


If is about him accusing everyone of being unfairly biased against Sasuke, I really think that people started accusing him of being unreasonably pro-Sasuke first.
Granted I could be wrong but unless his insults have been something other than accusing people of being fanboys no one here has any grounds for complaint, we all called him a fanboy as well.
Edit:Second post was by Wally West not Guy1

[Guy1]

I remember that thread, it was about girls that Sasuke could get along with.

Majority said that he couldn't get along with any of them, he and I were together in the minority that he'd make it with at least one.

Note: I agreed that he wouldn't get along with most of them, I just thought him and Cassie Cain might hit it off, what with him needing a good mother and all(afterall, genes and such)


Actually, wasn't it agreed at the end him and Azula were a good match?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Anyways, this isn't about Sasuke hate, cause I don't hate Sasuke. He's in my top five favorite characters, not ashamed to admit it or defend it, I think he's cool, and I still don't have a problem with him beating Deidara or Orochimaru, but this rampant screen time, where he does little but put on more power and generally get 'awesomer' is irritating. Even the biggest of Sasuke-fans'd get tired of it.Personally my problem with Sasuke beating Deidara isn't the way it happened, because it was a cool fight (way better than Itachi vs. Sasuke IMO).

My problem is that Sasuke beating Deidara really had no point at all. I mean besides showing off how cool Sasuke is and all his new abilities. Beyond that the fight just came out of nowhere and ended without any serious ramifications. Except you know, one of the series' best bad guys ending up dead.

That's what upsets me the most about that fight

[The Once And Forever]

Actually, wasn't it agreed at the end him and Azula were a good match?

I think it was agreed they had similar personalities, but I don't think they were paired together.

I'll check.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Actually, wasn't it agreed at the end him and Azula were a good match?Yep, than somebody made a thread about them going on a date and a lot of us made posts that detailed how Sasuke got his ass kicked by loads and loads of people.

It was fun.

[Wally_West]

Ok granted I've half skipped all the SasuSaku stuff, (sorry loki but waaaay to much text for me to bother reading when it's about something I really don't care that much about) but I think people are being unfair to him. I really don't think he's been that insulting, very pro-Sasuke yes, but not really that insulting or rude.


And he's supposed to be the one insulting other posters?


If is about him accusing everyone of being unfairly biased against Sasuke, I really think that people started accusing him of being unreasonably pro-Sasuke first.
Granted I could be wrong but unless his insults have been something other than accusing people of being fanboy no one here has any grounds for complaint, we all called him a fanboy as well.

I jump in and out, and am frustrated to still see him arguing his point...now to a mostly deaf audience.

[Guy1]

Yep, than somebody made a thread about them going on a date and a lot of us made posts that detailed how Sasuke got his ass kicked by loads and loads of people.

It was fun.

That was mine. Good laughs all around.:biggrin:

[Guy1]

Personally my problem with Sasuke beating Deidara isn't the way it happened, because it was a cool fight (way better than Itachi vs. Sasuke IMO).

My problem is that Sasuke beating Deidara really had no point at all. I mean besides showing off how cool Sasuke is and all his new abilities. Beyond that the fight just came out of nowhere and ended without any serious ramifications. Except you know, one of the series' best bad guys ending up dead.

That's what upsets me the most about that fight

I would have liked it better if it was Deidara and Gaara having a rematch.

[Wally_West]

That was mine. Good laughs all around.:biggrin:

How modest of you. :tongue:

[Guy1]

Ok granted I've half skipped all the SasuSaku stuff, (sorry loki but waaaay to much text for me to bother reading when it's about something I really don't care that much about) but I think people are being unfair to him. I really don't think he's been that insulting, very pro-Sasuke yes, but not really that insulting or rude.

Check some of the posts he made in the One Piece thread.

And he's supposed to be the one insulting other posters?


Hey, I didn't make that post, Wally West did. I'm making a point to ignore lokisedge and let things be peaceful.

[The Once And Forever]

That was mine. Good laughs all around.:biggrin:
I don't know, that one seemed to be all about bashing Sasuke, the prospects of him and Azula on a date are funny enough to go on, putting him in a bar ran by Wade freaking Wilson is bloody murder.

Personally my problem with Sasuke beating Deidara isn't the way it happened, because it was a cool fight (way better than Itachi vs. Sasuke IMO).

My problem is that Sasuke beating Deidara really had no point at all. I mean besides showing off how cool Sasuke is and all his new abilities. Beyond that the fight just came out of nowhere and ended without any serious ramifications. Except you know, one of the series' best bad guys ending up dead.

That's what upsets me the most about that fight

Well, it was to find out info about Itachi's whereabouts, problem being that he didn't actually find any, which was bull. So I do see your point there.

Still, I never liked Deidara that much, so I didn't complain all that hard.

Found the blind date thread, Guy was right. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=224209&highlight=sasuke)

[lurkerinthedark]

Hey, I didn't make that post, Wally West did. I'm making a point to ignore lokisedge and let things be peaceful.

Ah another thread, fair enough. Sorry if anyone was confused about that, wasn't meaning to imply it was your post, I was talking to different people in the same post.

[Guy1]

Ah another thread, fair enough. Sorry if anyone was confused about that, wasn't meaning to imply it was your post, I was talking to different people in the same post.

It's cool.
Anyway, here's a little something to lighten things up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZloB5nASy7c

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well, it was to find out info about Itachi's whereabouts, problem being that he didn't actually find any, which was bull. So I do see your point there.Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo had similar problems whent they were intorduced. All their story purposes just vanished into thin air.

Sasuke brought Karin along to help him find Itachi. Oh wait, Itachi gives Sasuke directions instead. She's useless.

He brought Suigetsu and Jugo along to make sure that nobdoy would interfere. Turns out Itachi wanted to fight him by himself all along and used Kisame to make sure that happened. Both of them are useless.
Still, I never liked Deidara that much, so I didn't complain all that hard.Deidara was my favorite Naruto villain before Pein showed up.

And he was a good villain. Smart, powerful, quirky, dangerous, funny, villaneously insane and more. The dude rocked. Then he died in a pointless fight.

[Nick Soapdish]

If is about him accusing everyone of being unfairly biased against Sasuke, I really think that people started accusing him of being unreasonably pro-Sasuke first.
Granted I could be wrong but unless his insults have been something other than accusing people of being fanboys no one here has any grounds for complaint, we all called him a fanboy as well.
Edit:Second post was by Wally West not Guy1

I'm not sure, but if it was after he claimed that Naruto had all of his powers just handed over to him as cheap power-ups while Sasuke had to fight for all of his, I think that calling him unreasonably biased about Sasuke was pretty fair.

[Len Ikari145]

I don't know, that one seemed to be all about bashing Sasuke, the prospects of him and Azula on a date are funny enough to go on, putting him in a bar ran by Wade freaking Wilson is bloody murder.
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That was the point.:tongue: Besides, it's currently the funniest thread that CBR's had in a long while. It wasn't so much "bashing" as it was putting Sasuke in humourous situations.

Especially when he met up with Stinkmeener from Boondocks.:biggrin:

[The Once And Forever]

Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo had similar problems whent they were intorduced. All their story purposes just vanished into thin air.

Sasuke brought Karin along to help him find Itachi. Oh wait, Itachi gives Sasuke directions instead. She's useless.

He brought Suigetsu and Jugo along to make sure that nobdoy would interfere. Turns out Itachi wanted to fight him by himself all along and used Kisame to make sure that happened. Both of them are useless.
Deidara was my favorite Naruto villain before Pein showed up.

And he was a good villain. Smart, powerful, quirky, dangerous, funny, villaneously insane and more. The dude rocked. Then he died in a pointless fight.

Hence my distaste for the current state of Naruto as a whole. Side plot points are being destroyed without a good reason, its almost as if Kishimoto's writing on a time limit and has to wrap it up.

[The Once And Forever]

That was the point.:tongue: Besides, it's current the funniest thread that CBR's had in a long while. It wasn't so much "bashing" as it was putting Sasuke in humourous situations.

Especially when he met up with Stinkmeener from Boondocks.:biggrin:

*blinks* He did...Man I should have kept up with that thread...

[Arilou]

Deidara was my favorite Naruto villain before Pein showed up.

And he was a good villain. Smart, powerful, quirky, dangerous, funny, villaneously insane and more. The dude rocked. Then he died in a pointless fight.

Seriously, i didn't like any of them. Gaara was good as a villain (He's good as a hero too, but he was honestly menacing before his heel-face turn) Orochimaru was plain awesome and creepy, but none of the post-timeskip villains (including Itachi) have been more than "meh".

Well, Kisame is kind of cool I guess.

The fights themselves have been "OK" (but not particularly awe-inspiring) but none of them ever felt like credible threats, knowwhatimean?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hence my distaste for the current state of Naruto as a whole. Side plot points are being destroyed without a good reason, its almost as if Kishimoto's writing on a time limit and has to wrap it up.Good point, I hope that he hasn't gotten tired of it all.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Seriously, i didn't like any of them. Gaara was good as a villain (He's good as a hero too, but he was honestly menacing before his heel-face turn) Orochimaru was plain awesome and creepy, but none of the post-timeskip villains (including Itachi) have been more than "meh".

Well, Kisame is kind of cool I guess.Different opinions we have. As long we not try to down each others throats shove them fine we be.
The fights themselves have been "OK" (but not particularly awe-inspiring) but none of them ever felt like credible threats, knowwhatimean?Not really.

I mean, Sasori had an entire army at his fingertips, some of the most advance poison in the narutoverse and was estentially immortal.

Deidara could nuke cities, attack people on a molecular level and do all sorts of weird shit with his clay. That and he was batshit insane.

Lets not even begin to talk about what Pein and Itachi can/could do.

I'd say that they're credible threats.

[The Once And Forever]

Good point, I hope that he hasn't gotten tired of it all.

Could be Toriyama syndrome, wants it over but is pressured to keep it going because its a huge success. Granted, DBZ's drop-off wasn't this large, but its certainly a potential threat.

[tipo4thesoul]

Random Time:

Favorite fight: Naruto's team versus dude with four hearts. It just showed awesome powers all around plus Kikashi's willingness to kill and BE A REAL NINJA.

Favorite death: J-Man, he died like I think a hero should die. Not to directly protect anyone, but to prove a point. At any time he could have escaped but he stayed and fought to the end.

Favorite idea: Itachi and Sasuke's relationship. He takes the older brother pushing his younger brother to an entirely different level. Itachi's drive for his ideals and love for his brother was amazing. The entire story seemed well thought out, like a good comic.

Favorite character: Since my two favorite characters are dead. Itachi and J-man, I would have to say that Gaara is my only remaining fav.

There, now thats a topic switch.

[Guy1]

Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo had similar problems whent they were intorduced. All their story purposes just vanished into thin air.

Sasuke brought Karin along to help him find Itachi. Oh wait, Itachi gives Sasuke directions instead. She's useless.

He brought Suigetsu and Jugo along to make sure that nobdoy would interfere. Turns out Itachi wanted to fight him by himself all along and used Kisame to make sure that happened. Both of them are useless.


And instead of showing Suigetsu vs Kisame which had been built up until that point and had the potential to be a very cool fight.....it's skipped completely.
Then when they get ready to fight again......Madara gets in the way.

Jeezes, just let them fight already.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Random Time:

Favorite fight: Naruto's team versus dude with four hearts. It just showed awesome powers all around plus Kikashi's willingness to kill and BE A REAL NINJA.

Favorite death: J-Man, he died like I think a hero should die. Not to directly protect anyone, but to prove a point. At any time he could have escaped but he stayed and fought to the end.

Favorite idea: Itachi and Sasuke's relationship. He takes the older brother pushing his younger brother to an entirely different level. Itachi's drive for his ideals and love for his brother was amazing. The entire story seemed well thought out, like a good comic.

Favorite character: Since my two favorite characters are dead. Itachi and J-man, I would have to say that Gaara is my only remaining fav.

There, now thats a topic switch.Ok, I'll bite.

Favorite fight: It's between Gaara vs. Lee and Jiraiya vs. Pein for me. The first one just oozed of awesomeness and raw emotion. The second one was a chance to see Jiraiya go all out against a stronger opponent and Pein's fighting style just kept surprising me.

Favorite Death: Jiraiya's death is beautiful. That'show you go down fighting.

Favorite Idea: Gaara's whole story is just a great idea if you ask me. But then again I'm just a sucker for a good redemption story, and...

Favorite Character: ...my favorite character in Naruto is Gaara. He's just awesome in everything he does, though I do prefer his good guy side to his initial crazy bad guy side.

[master of read]

*blinks* He did...Man I should have kept up with that thread...

when me, len, and dog get together on the same thread, hilarity ensues.

just to note, i'm the one who sicked stinkmeaner on sasuke.:biggrin:

[The Once And Forever]

And instead of showing Suigetsu vs Kisame which had been built up until that point and had the potential to be a very cool fight.....it's skipped completely.
Then when they get ready to fight again......Madara gets in the way.

Jeezes, just let them fight already.

Exactly, I refuse to stop bitching until I see this fight.

when me, len, and dog get together on the same thread, hilarity ensues.

just to note, i'm the one who sicked stinkmeaner on sasuke.:biggrin:

Huh, I'd figured you were the one who sicked tentacles upon the poor boy.

[lurkerinthedark]

The fights in Part2 have been a mixed bag for me....

I loved the rescue Garaa arc
Deidara vs Garaa really worked for me because it didn't have the villians simply overpower Garaa, it had them out think him and use the appropriate member.
Deidara's flight turned Garaa sand from covering and entire battlefield to only cover part of it, and his use of bombs played to Garaa's new weakness. (most of the other Jinchūriki would not be so determined to protect the village)

Sasori was an utterly deadly guy (honestly I could see him taking on Itachi) and the fight wonderfully progressed from Sakura doing nothing, to Sakura fighting with Chiyo controlling, to Sakura taking out the third puppet, to finally her Smashing through Sasori's army. I felt is wonderfully showed a development in fight and marked her as no longer the Load.

Hidan and Kakuzu.....
honestly I didn't like it. They really didn't feel that threatening, sure there "immortal" but Hidan can be incapacitated with basic explosive tags, and aside "extra lives" Kakuzu doesn't have any noticeable defense either.
Secondly they didn't feel terribly offensively powerful, Hidan can kill you if he gets to you.... but Sasori(poison) could already do that. and he had hundreds of puppets. Kakuzu's a bit better, but his four masks felt like just raw firepower, no "tricks" really didn't see what he could do that 5 chunin with the elemental equivalents of the grand fireball couldn't.
Finally the deaths seemed to... easy? Shikamaru being fast enough to coat the blood without Hidan noticing felt deus ed machina.
My final problem was a more subjective one. The manga's Naruto, I expect it to mostly center on him and team 7, just as Harry Potter will be about the golden trio. So when secondary characters get the spotlight I like to see em all. Shikamaru's gotten 3 solo fight through out the series, poor Ino's gotten 1.... I really wanted more of the other members of team 10. After Sakura's wonderful fight I was hoping we'd actually get an Ino (or any of the other females) based fight.

The Sasuke arc....
Deidara was a waste, as already stated, and the Mandala ending really didn't work for me.
Itachi.... I'm still deciding on that one, but the constant "I'm evil!... Wait no not really" was a little annoying, and the ending made Itachi look like an utter idiot as it completely backfired.

I was entirely disappointed that we got no team 8 action.

[lurkerinthedark]

It's cool.
Anyway, here's a little something to lighten things up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZloB5nASy7c

Drunken rock lee makes everything better!

Duh! Forgot about the Pein fight! Didn't like how easily Konan went down (I had really hoped that the useless females in Naruto was going to end with the timeskip) Otherwise the fight was great, honestly I like Pein he feels very "final bossy" while the 6 bodies feels original and a "dark contrast" to Naruto's use of Shadow clones.

WOW was just reading narutopedia's entry on the latest chapters and it pointed out something I missed, Sasuke's "reward" for helping capture the 8-tails is being able to use one of the beasts on Konoha. That kind of kills the "only take out the leaders" excuse. Even if he claims he's after them specifically. it's like dropping a nuclear bomb to get three people.

Edit: Just read the one Piece thread...
You guys are so baised agaisnt Sasuke and fappable to Luffy it's rediculous.
OK I admit it, Guy1, was right, and loki started it.
I would offer One Piece clips as an apology but I don't follow it (though the thread is making me reconsider)

[Guy1]

Drunken rock lee makes everything better!

Duh! Forgot about the Pein fight! Didn't like how easily Konan went down (I had really hoped that the useless females in Naruto was going to end with the timeskip) Otherwise the fight was great, honestly I like Pein he feels very "final bossy" while the 6 bodies feels original and a "dark contrast" to Naruto's use of Shadow clones.

WOW was just reading narutopedia's entry on the latest chapters and it pointed out something I missed, Sasuke's "reward" for helping capture the 8-tails is being able to use one of the beasts on Konoha. That kind of kills the "only take out the leaders" excuse. Even if he claims he's after them specifically. it's like dropping a nuclear bomb to get three people.

Edit: Just read the one Piece thread...

OK I admit it, Guy1, was right, and loki started it.
I would offer One Piece clips as an apology but I don't follow it (though the thread is making me reconsider)

You Tube and Veoh have a large selection of One Piece eps.
This is one of my favorite fights from the pre-Grand Line eps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWt5yFyRrMM

[Alex L]

Random Time:

Favorite fight: Naruto's team versus dude with four hearts. It just showed awesome powers all around plus Kikashi's willingness to kill and BE A REAL NINJA.

Favorite death: J-Man, he died like I think a hero should die. Not to directly protect anyone, but to prove a point. At any time he could have escaped but he stayed and fought to the end.

Favorite idea: Itachi and Sasuke's relationship. He takes the older brother pushing his younger brother to an entirely different level. Itachi's drive for his ideals and love for his brother was amazing. The entire story seemed well thought out, like a good comic.

Favorite character: Since my two favorite characters are dead. Itachi and J-man, I would have to say that Gaara is my only remaining fav.

There, now thats a topic switch.

I'll play too.

Fave fight: Naruto/Sasuke vs Zabuza -- one of the very few battles in the series that pushed intelligence, quick thinking, and teamwork over power and experience

Fave death: Asuma, probably because it seemed so pointless. Not a hater by any means, but sh*t happens and not everyone gets to go out in a blaze of glory.

Fave idea: <blank for now>

Fave character: Neji, just because.

[asloveislost]

Sasuke's "reward" for helping capture the 8-tails is being able to use one of the beasts on Konoha.

Sasuke helped capture the 8 tails??
When was that? :confused:

I thought he got the beast for joining with Akatsuki...

[Robotech Master]

RE: Sasuke helped capture the 8 tails??
When was that?
I thought he got the beast for joining with Akatsuki...

He hasn't captured it yet, but he's been assigned the mission. Madara said they would handle Naruto, while Sasuke's team went after the 8 tails. For joining Akatsuki and helping them with their goals, they'd supply him with a tailed beast to aid in his own mission.

No doubt Madara plans to let Sasuke walk over the council and elders, then he'll go: "Well, that thing about leaving the rest of Konoha here--sorry boy, but there's been a change in plans. You've been a great help so far though."

[lurkerinthedark]

This thing is I have to think Sasuke knows that on some level. Tailed beast arn't precision weapons, even if Sasuke claims to only be after the leaders, using a tailed beast is paramount to admitting massive unrelated(civilian and subordinate) deaths, this doubly gets me because Sasuke should be well equipped to do an assassination mission.

Leader: Ah what a lovely day for tea........Ahhhhhh......Glug glug
(That was the tea rising up and drowning them for anyone who missed it)

[Narutokun]

when me, len, and dog get together on the same thread, hilarity ensues.

just to note, i'm the one who sicked stinkmeaner on sasuke.:biggrin:

I can't believe I never read this thread you guys are talking about...darn it all lol, it would have been funny. Could have contributed to lol.

[Narutokun]

Alright I will play:

Fav Fight: Drunken Lee...ok it was just halirious, loved every moment of it and it actually showed Lee kicken butt when he was at an extremely weak state! Serious fight though would be NaruSas...but all times Lee definitly the Lee

Fav Death: J-man definitly, died like a true hero...went to his death so he could learn the secret of Pain and show it to others so they would have a chance of winning. He's the man

Fav Idea: LOL Itachi's way of giving power, by shoving it down your opponants throat lol

Fav Char: It has to be a tie...Naruto and Lee...but I will choose one...Naruto cause he has so much potential and such a big heart...he is always determined and willing to do what it takes. I wish he was smarter, but hey everyone has to have a weakness!

[Narutokun]

Top Five:

1. Naruto
2. Lee
3. J-man
4. Guy
5. Sasuke (wish they would let up on screen time, cause I almost put another character due to me getting annoyed by it lol)

[Arilou]

Favourite fights: Hmmm... The fights in the first arc was excellent. I also rather liked Rock lee vs. Gaara, Hinata Vs. neji & Neji vs.Naruto.

Shikamaru's fights have all been fun thus far. Although the one against Hidan less so than the other ones.

Fav. Death: Hmm... Hard to say, probably have to be the Third.

Fav. Idea: I think much of the world and concepts are actually pretty wicked cool (and would make for an awesome MMORPG)

Fav. Character: Shikamaru, Naruto, Hinata, Lee, in no particular order. Orochimaru is on the list as well just for being one of the creepier villains.

[lurkerinthedark]

Favourite fights: I really liked the valley of the end as it ended the first half on a bitter note, something most manga of this type don't seem to do. Not to mention the comparisons between Sasuke and Naruto, and how Sasuke made himself into a monster in his choices... felt like a suitable and bittersweet ending.

Fav. Death: Gotta go with the crowd, J-man v Pein

Fav. Idea: The different family Jutsu and styles, it allows them to be learned by different people avoiding single power syndrome. Yet unlike most magic systems the magic isn't easily learned or spread, so no one person can do anything.

Fav. Character: Sakura, I really like that she actually develops as a character and becomes more mature. Naruto did the same thing to a degree but he's the hero, we knew he was going to and his super hard training was emphasized early on. Sakura wasn't a guarantee, especially given how useless females tend to be in this genre.

[Len Ikari145]

I can't believe I never read this thread you guys are talking about...darn it all lol, it would have been funny. Could have contributed to lol.

It's not too late to do so. It's only a week or so old. You can still add your piece.:biggrin:

[Wally_West]

Okay, I'll go then...

Favourite fights: All of Shikamaru's chess matches...except for the last one with Hidan. That was teh lame.

Fav. Death: Rock Lee. Well, his almost-death.

Fav. Idea: Everyone being able to research and develop new jutsus. That...and this was mentioned by someone else on this thread a few weeks back, but I still love the idea of the first's ability to pimp the tailed-beasts like pokemon.

Fav. Character: it was Jiraiya and Shikamaru. But now it's just Shikamaru...cuz Jiraiya fails to qualify...cuz he's dead.

[Narutokun]

It's not too late to do so. It's only a week or so old. You can still add your piece.:biggrin:

I am not good with these threads can you send me the link to the first one and I will put on fav so I can read the whole thing and add! THX

[master of read]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=224240&highlight=sasuke+azula


beware. it is insanely funny

[MartinRedmond]

Sasuke's awesome but he makes bad choices. Who knows! Maybe he'll outwit the Akatsuki like he did Serpentor.

[Narutokun]

Thanks Master

[Ghost]

Playing favourites, eh?

Favorite fight: Naruto vs Sasuke, followed by Jiraiya vs Pein. Sasuke vs Itachi gets bonus points since I really liked Sasuke's Kirin technique.

Favorite death: I'm going to have to say Itachi, really, just because of the sheer irony of it all.

Favorite idea: Itachi's true motives putting a spin on things. I love it when stories manage to surprise me and the latest volumes really pulled that off.

Favorite character: Naruto, though I also like Sasuke, Chouji, Gaara and Tenten. (Don't ask me why I like Tenten; even I can't really say for sure.)

Hence my distaste for the current state of Naruto as a whole. Side plot points are being destroyed without a good reason, its almost as if Kishimoto's writing on a time limit and has to wrap it up.

Good point, I hope that he hasn't gotten tired of it all.

Wait, isn't that exactly what he's doing? I recall reading somewhere he was getting sick of it and wanted to get it over and done with. (Don't quote me on that, though.)

[Guy1]

Playing favourites, eh?

Favorite fight: Naruto vs Sasuke, followed by Jiraiya vs Pein. Sasuke vs Itachi gets bonus points since I really liked Sasuke's Kirin technique.

Favorite death: I'm going to have to say Itachi, really, just because of the sheer irony of it all.

Favorite idea: Itachi's true motives putting a spin on things. I love it when stories manage to surprise me and the latest volumes really pulled that off.

Favorite character: Naruto, though I also like Sasuke, Chouji, Gaara and Tenten. (Don't ask me why I like Tenten; even I can't really say for sure.)


The Buns?:tongue:

[Narutokun]

Okay I am a fan and I put my two sense into it also...just a couple lines...but you know it would happen lol

[Len Ikari145]

Playing favourites, eh?

Favorite fight: Naruto vs Sasuke, followed by Jiraiya vs Pein. Sasuke vs Itachi gets bonus points since I really liked Sasuke's Kirin technique.

Favorite death: I'm going to have to say Itachi, really, just because of the sheer irony of it all.

Favorite idea: Itachi's true motives putting a spin on things. I love it when stories manage to surprise me and the latest volumes really pulled that off.

Favorite character: Naruto, though I also like Sasuke, Chouji, Gaara and Tenten. (Don't ask me why I like Tenten; even I can't really say for sure.)





Wait, isn't that exactly what he's doing? I recall reading somewhere he was getting sick of it and wanted to get it over and done with. (Don't quote me on that, though.)


Huh. All I remember is that Kishimoto stated in an old issue of Shounen Jump that he had Naruto's overall plot in mind for awhile and that it would take long time before it's finished. Though, him suffering from Toriyama syndrome is also just as feasible.

Yet another reason while I prefer is his brother's series.

[Ghost]

The Buns?:tongue:

Could be the buns. >>

Huh. All I remember is that Kishimoto stated in an old issue of Shounen Jump that he had Naruto's overall plot in mind for awhile and that it would take long time before it's finished. Though, him suffering from Toriyama syndrome is also just as feasible.

Having the over-all plot finished doesn't mean he can't tire of making the story. It just means he can't just end it whenever he wants, which is just another source of frustration that leads to shortcuts and rushed plotpoints.

Really, I think it's very, very rare for authors to make stuff up as they go and -according to Niel Gaiman, at least- its pretty normal for writers get sick of their stories about halfway through.

Yet another reason while I prefer is his brother's series.

Funny, I've been reading a lot of 666 Satan lately and mostly I just keep thinking that it's okay, but not as good as Naruto. :tongue:

[lokisedge]

Spoilers and a Naruto centric chapter(yawn).

簡単に
simply..

まずかえるのじいさんがみんなに暗号を見せる(むずかしいから画バレでします)
frog elder shows everyone the number code (picture shown)
ナルト「ばぁちゃんが行かせたのか？」
naruto: You sent him there Granny?
サイ、サクラがナルトを見る
sai, sakura look at naruto
綱手「そうだ」
tsunade: that's right
ナルト「なんでそんな無茶許したんだってばよ！」「エロ仙人の性格よくわかるだろ！たった一人 で危ねー所に ……」
naruto: Why the hell did you allow that! You know what he's like! He went to such a dangerous place all by himself....
カカシ「よせナルト」「五代目の気持ちがわからないお前じゃないだろ」
kakashi: stop it naruto, you know how the 5th feels about this
綱手回想、なんか自来也との最後の話
tsunade has a flashback to her last talks with j-man
ナルト「くそ！」
naruto: shit!
サクラ「ナルト！どこ行くの！？」
sakura: naruto! where are you going!?
ナルト「エロ仙人が五代目になってたら綱手のばあちゃんにこんな無茶させなかった」「………ぜ ってえー…… 」
naruto: If erosennin has been the 5th hokage, he'd never let granny Tsunade go on a suicide mission like this. I know it.
部屋から出るナルト
naruto leaves room
カエルに謝るカカシ
kakashi apologizes to frog elder
カエルはナルトを気に入ったみたいで予言の子はナルトであってほしいと言う
frog elder seems to like naruto and hopes he is the child of the prophecy.
～外～
outside
ナルト階段を歩き自来也との思いでを思い出す
as naruto walks on stairs he remembers j-man
「よっ！ナルト」
yo! naruto
ナルト「！」
naruto:!
そこにはイルカ先生が
久しぶりにラーメンに行こうと誘うが
Iruka sensei asks naruto to come eat ramen with him but..
ナルト「やめとく……」
naruto: ill pass.....

夜 ナルトの部屋
night time in naruto's room
部屋