View Full Version : How Would You React If Peter Had Cheated On Gwen?
Michael P
02-11-2005, 05:52 PM
Let's say, for sake of argument, a story came up where it was revealed that Peter, in a moment of weakness, had had sex with someone else while he and Gwen were together. What would your reaction be? Be honest.
Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!
02-11-2005, 06:05 PM
I would start to believe the guilt he has felt over her death was less about how she died than him just feeling like a cheating dog. I wouldn't really think less of peter,just cause it doesn't change all the things he has done over the years that have nothing to do with gwen.
richjb77
02-11-2005, 07:04 PM
I have been on many a thread bashin Gwen and calling her a slut for what she did..I am a man and yes..I would call Peter a slut too..he, like her, would have blown the best thing he ever had..moment of weakness are for the weak
Venomous Mask
02-11-2005, 07:11 PM
Probably wouldn't change my image of Peter as a whole, but I would sure hope he had learned his lesson and wouldn't cheat on MJ.
Sharcque
02-11-2005, 08:50 PM
It would depend on who it was with..... :D You know, how hot was she, stuff like that... :D :D
cosmicspidey
02-11-2005, 09:12 PM
I'd need a context. It's all about the context. If Pete bought a hooker and had his way with her while he was clinging to the ceiling, that's one thing. If Pete slept with Betty to console her after her husband died, that's something else.
I'd need a context. It's all about the context.
I agree.
But regardless of the situation, I would probably be just as forgiving of Peter's human foibles as I am of Gwen's.
The Shadow
02-11-2005, 09:51 PM
Probably wouldn't change my image of Peter as a whole, but I would sure hope he had learned his lesson and wouldn't cheat on MJ.
My thoughts too
metr0man
02-11-2005, 10:28 PM
Did Peter end up getting pregnant from this supposed cheating? That would be a blockbuster story! :eek: ;)
Did Peter end up getting pregnant from this supposed cheating? That would be a blockbuster story! :eek: ;)
Especially if it was with Norman's kids...
Sean Whitmore
02-11-2005, 11:54 PM
Well, Pete's a guy, so it's totally different.
;)
SEAN
I would not care. Peter is the hero of the comic, the main person. He is the one i like.
If a friend of mine would cheat on his girlfriend, i would also not care, because he is my friend.
Crimson
02-12-2005, 06:24 AM
It would totally depend on how the story was written... if it was some bimbo he met in a bar then I'd think it was pretty sleezy but if it was someone he'd known for a while and they really connected then it wouldn't change my opinion overall on him that much.
Kirayoshi
02-12-2005, 09:19 AM
Especially if it was with Norman's kids...
"Do you have to keep saying things I can't unhear?" --Kitty Pryde to Emma Frost, Astonishing X-Men #7
Dark Soul # 7
02-12-2005, 09:25 AM
I would be shocked for a few days but then I would think nothing of it and ignore it all.
Grant
02-12-2005, 10:31 AM
Let's say, for sake of argument, a story came up where it was revealed that Peter, in a moment of weakness, had had sex with someone else while he and Gwen were together. What would your reaction be? Be honest.
I probably wouldn't care which is pretty much how I feel about Gwen cheating on Peter.
It would totally depend on how the story was written... if it was some bimbo he met in a bar then I'd think it was pretty sleezy but if it was someone he'd known for a while and they really connected then it wouldn't change my opinion overall on him that much.
The funny thing is from a woman's perspective it's worse for a husband/significant other to have an emotional connection to a woman he cheats with than just having sex with a woman because of his physical needs. The former could be seen as making love with someone you care about while the latter is just sex with some bimbo.
The question that should be asked would be how would you feel about Peter cheating on M.J. ?
MrBiggs7
02-12-2005, 06:58 PM
I would not care. Peter is the hero of the comic, the main person. He is the one i like.
If a friend of mine would cheat on his girlfriend, i would also not care, because he is my friend.
Sadly that's how I feel too
DLH1970
02-12-2005, 07:18 PM
Let's say, for sake of argument, a story came up where it was revealed that Peter, in a moment of weakness, had had sex with someone else while he and Gwen were together. What would your reaction be? Be honest.
I would feel that he was being written out of character just like Gwen was.
Headhunter
02-12-2005, 08:13 PM
Really, really depends on circumstances, the other person, and how it was written.
BlueOrange25
02-12-2005, 08:58 PM
I'd think that he was a bit of a silly boy. High school nerd gets together with a stunning blonde who loves him....and then he blows it by cheating on her. To think that girls like Gwen would choose guys like that instead of...someone like me...! :confused:
Geardaddy
02-13-2005, 03:12 PM
I would have the same feelings on it as I did on Sins Past. Nothing would chance for me since my argument is that Gwen cheating on Peter with Norman Osborn is well out of Gwens character, not to mention a poor attempt at adding a dramatic plot twist.
If Peter was revealed to have cheated on Gwen, regardless of the situation, I would be just as pissed as I was when I read that Gwen cheated.
Charagon
02-14-2005, 10:51 AM
Something very similiar to my current position on the non-existance of the Spider-Man books.
Cash Lone
02-14-2005, 11:30 AM
If Gwen had a female arch nemesis who was 40yrs old. And Peter slept w/ said arch nemesis, got her pregnant w/ twins and then expected Gwen to marry him and raise the rug rats?
I would say the editors and writers were out of their frikkin minds: Peter would no longer be a believable character and the stardom of Spidey would crash like a lead balloon named "sins past".
Crimson
02-14-2005, 11:33 AM
The funny thing is from a woman's perspective it's worse for a husband/significant other to have an emotional connection to a woman he cheats with than just having sex with a woman because of his physical needs. The former could be seen as making love with someone you care about while the latter is just sex with some bimbo.
The question that should be asked would be how would you feel about Peter cheating on M.J. ?
Against it, he's married.
It'd probally be easier for someone to forgive a partner for a one night stand but as a reader, I'd have more respect if there was a connection there and it wasn't just phsyical. Thats not a role model that super heros are for alot of kids.
RedBaron
02-14-2005, 11:39 AM
It would be way different. If Pete cheated, the story would probably unfold from his point of view and his narrative, so the reader would be taken into Pete's head and come to identify, through his POV, with any guilt or rationale he had. You might not like it, but it would be more personal to you.
I haven't been reading Sin's Past, but am I safe in assuming that we really aren't getting Gwen's side of the story because she is dead? Would things be different if Gwen's affair with Norman Osborne was explained from her emotional and mental context? Would it be different if Gwen could speak for herself and not be a flat character representing the flirtatious but ultimately innocent qualities of womanhood being betrayed by her affair with Norman?
Arvandor
02-14-2005, 12:54 PM
It would be way different. If Pete cheated, the story would probably unfold from his point of view and his narrative, so the reader would be taken into Pete's head and come to identify, through his POV, with any guilt or rationale he had. You might not like it, but it would be more personal to you.
I haven't been reading Sin's Past, but am I safe in assuming that we really aren't getting Gwen's side of the story because she is dead? Would things be different if Gwen's affair with Norman Osborne was explained from her emotional and mental context? Would it be different if Gwen could speak for herself and not be a flat character representing the flirtatious but ultimately innocent qualities of womanhood being betrayed by her affair with Norman?
Very good point.
You're correct, of course. The revelation is told in flashback's, as MJ tells Pete everything she heard from Gwen. MJ speculates on the reasons, but we don't really know for sure why Gwen did it.
It would be way different. If Pete cheated, the story would probably unfold from his point of view and his narrative, so the reader would be taken into Pete's head and come to identify, through his POV, with any guilt or rationale he had. You might not like it, but it would be more personal to you.
I haven't been reading Sin's Past, but am I safe in assuming that we really aren't getting Gwen's side of the story because she is dead? Would things be different if Gwen's affair with Norman Osborne was explained from her emotional and mental context? Would it be different if Gwen could speak for herself and not be a flat character representing the flirtatious but ultimately innocent qualities of womanhood being betrayed by her affair with Norman?
This is a wonderful observation. The main reason Sins Past fails (IMO) is because it is so inconceivable it would happen given what we know. The "everyone makes mistakes" excuse falls short because Gwen's actions were so out of character and had zero percent motivation. If you are going to be out of character you better have a good, feasible excuse (and have some motivation).
stealthwise
02-14-2005, 03:39 PM
It would be way different. If Pete cheated, the story would probably unfold from his point of view and his narrative, so the reader would be taken into Pete's head and come to identify, through his POV, with any guilt or rationale he had. You might not like it, but it would be more personal to you.
I haven't been reading Sin's Past, but am I safe in assuming that we really aren't getting Gwen's side of the story because she is dead? Would things be different if Gwen's affair with Norman Osborne was explained from her emotional and mental context? Would it be different if Gwen could speak for herself and not be a flat character representing the flirtatious but ultimately innocent qualities of womanhood being betrayed by her affair with Norman?
For the exact same reasons as you outlined, that's why they can't pull off a retcon like that and have it be Peter as the cheater. Because we would have known about it through his thought balloons, nearly every superhero comic is told through the viewpoints of the main character and we're privy to nearly every thought he has.
As for Gwen's side, it's pretty much irrelevant, as JMS obviously didn't consider the story and its ramifications enough to actually warrant actual exploration into her character. To ask that question is to essentially ask, "What if a Good writer were taking on this scenario?" because no one sane would attempt a story so worthless.
Master Darque
03-16-2005, 05:50 AM
I have yet to read the responses in here ( I'm at work ) but I feel I'd have had to have given Pete a quick kick to the sack if he had cheated on Gwen ....
jade_nova
03-16-2005, 09:44 AM
I love it. Gwen cheats on Peter, everyone calls her a slut and wants to crucify her. Peter cheats on Gwen everyone is so willing to forgive. You have got to love the double standard.
tymac
03-16-2005, 11:55 AM
I think it would be just as weird to see Peter in the role of cheater. Especially considering how much guilt he carries with him. I don't think there would be any outcry about it though. Maybe if it was with Madame Web, or Anna Watson.
Was it ever verified that Gwen actually cheated on Peter with Norman, or merely slept with him during a breakup.
I love it. Gwen cheats on Peter, everyone calls her a slut and wants to crucify her. Peter cheats on Gwen everyone is so willing to forgive. You have got to love the double standard.
The comic is called spider-man, not "the adventures of Gwen Stacy" and is about peter parker, he is the main person i want to read about.
Cephus
03-16-2005, 03:18 PM
Let's say, for sake of argument, a story came up where it was revealed that Peter, in a moment of weakness, had had sex with someone else while he and Gwen were together. What would your reaction be? Be honest.
Exactly the same as Sins Past, I'd ignore it. Never happened. Totally out of character for Peter, just as it was totally out of character for Gwen.
Master Darque
03-17-2005, 03:31 PM
I love it. Gwen cheats on Peter, everyone calls her a slut and wants to crucify her. Peter cheats on Gwen everyone is so willing to forgive.
You must have missed my post right before yours . Like the others here , I was shocked ....I was mad that this story was written .....but not because I want to discount it as bad writing or out of character ....but because I accept it as something that happened in these characters lives and that its finally been revealed . It didn't tarnish my feelings for Gwen .... it did tarnish what I thought was one of the greatest love stories ever told , tho . I won't " What If ? " it away and think of it as an Elseworld's story .
Artemis1
03-17-2005, 04:31 PM
I just ignore the Sins Past thing. It doesn't mean that the ORIGINAL Gwen is a slut, but the guy who did it was a perv.
Master Darque
03-18-2005, 06:40 AM
I dunno ....I don't think it'd be fun to just pick and choose what's really happened to these characters by what I liked or didn't like in a story .... since I sure can't do that with MY life . But then that's me .
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