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The Fury
02-04-2005, 02:12 PM
I've keep seeing that different character are able to use 'darkforce' in their powers. Numerous mutants are able to channel it, Darkstar for one. But then Cloak also has a portal to the Darkforce dimension.
So what exactly is it? Who else can use it?
mastaflan
02-04-2005, 03:14 PM
Blackout A personal favorite of mine I believe has the power to delve in it.
The Darkforce is a extradimensional space that is made of this substance; the darkforce has dimensions & can be manipulated by various characters & various means such as the late Blackout, deceased mutant Darkstar, the Shroud, Cloak (of Cloak & Dagger), Black Mamba (of the Serpent Society), Ecstacy, Vanisher...
A monster lives within the Darkforce dimension that always hungers for lifeforce; it manifests through either Cloak or Ecstacy. Void of any true light, the Darkforce dimension is cold. A normal human would not live very long in the Darkforce dimension, although many characters use this same extradimensional space to teleport to & from various places around the Earth (Cloak, Shroud, Vanisher).
Photon (as Captain Marvel II) was trapped in the Darkforce dimension by Blackout for a period of time, but she got out with a little luck & strategy during the Avengers "Siege" storyline written by Roger Stern.
The Fury
02-05-2005, 05:52 AM
Alright, thanks for the replys, At least I understand it better now.
Atom_basher
02-05-2005, 10:22 AM
If DDM's explanation is true, Darkstar must have been a bad mamma jamma.
mattbib
02-05-2005, 11:31 AM
If DDM's explanation is true, Darkstar must have been a bad mamma jamma.She was.
Funny how both she and Blackout are dead. Have any other Darkforce manipulators been killed?
Atom_basher
02-05-2005, 11:46 AM
She was.
Funny how both she and Blackout are dead. Have any other Darkforce manipulators been killed?
How exactly did she die, I remember her from the xmen cartoon. she was pretty cool, she would have made a good x man or even avenger
JeffreyWKramer
02-05-2005, 11:50 AM
How exactly did she die, I remember her from the xmen cartoon. she was pretty cool, she would have made a good x man or even avenger
She died during Morrison's run on NEW X-MEN, fighting a nasty mutant escapee from the Weapon-X program. A waste of a good character, in my opinion, especially given that there are so many lame mutants he could have killed, and one of the lamest - Feral - was on the scene during that story.
mattbib
02-05-2005, 11:57 AM
She died during Morrison's run on NEW X-MEN, fighting a nasty mutant escapee from the Weapon-X program.From the Weapon Plus program, you mean. ;)
The Fury
02-05-2005, 12:03 PM
Matt, about the dead Darkforce characters, I stumbled across 1 more. This is an extract from the marvunapp.com Master list.
LEFT HAND (Diego Casseas) - folding circle, half-fulls, studied magic, learned to absorb his comatose daughter's darkforce abilities thru his left hand, apparently destroyed when sucked down well of all things.
teleport, fire destructive blasts
*D*--New Warriors I#16 (23-25(fb),16, 17, 19, 21-25
There was also a mutant called Asylum II, he appeared in Gen X, but he's not dead, just uses it.
JeffreyWKramer
02-05-2005, 12:33 PM
Matt, about the dead Darkforce characters, I stumbled across 1 more. This is an extract from the marvunapp.com Master list.
Yup, the daughter mentioned in that entry is Silhouette, another Darkforce user, and a member of the New Warriors.
Anon_me
02-05-2005, 01:11 PM
Silhouette wasn't the Left Hand's daughter. She was Chord's daughter and she could teleport from areas of shadow via the Darkforce dimension; kind of like how Psylocke used to do it.
Atom_basher
02-05-2005, 02:02 PM
If i were a writer i would retcon her death, maybe her essecne escaped through the darkforce dimension, and its wandering around in there, I t would be cool if she came back as pure dark energy.
mattbib
02-05-2005, 02:27 PM
Silhouette wasn't the Left Hand's daughter. She was Chord's daughter and she could teleport from areas of shadow via the Darkforce dimension; kind of like how Psylocke used to do it.
Chord and Casseas, among others, were members of the Half-Fulls, a group of soldiers in Vietnam. The children of the Half-Fulls were bred by an ancient Asian cult (of which Tai was a member) so that they could be sacrificed in a ritual to allow the cult to rule the world. Unfortunately Casseas' daughter was rendered comatose in a car accident. So in order for the ritual to still work, he learned magic and transferred his comatose daughter's powers to himself. Casseas (The Left Hand) and the children of the Half-Fulls became the Folding Circle. Silhouette was not part of the Folding Circle.
Anon_me
02-05-2005, 02:49 PM
If i were a writer i would retcon her death, maybe her essecne escaped through the darkforce dimension, and its wandering around in there, I t would be cool if she came back as pure dark energy.
Well...I don't know if Psylocke actually used the Darkforce, she could just teleport through shadows via her connection with the Crimson Dawn. Whereas Shilouette actually accessed the Darkforce dimension for her jaunts.
Atom_basher
02-05-2005, 02:58 PM
I should have clarified, i was talking about darkstar. i really like the idea of her
The Darkforce dimension should not be confused with the Dark Dimension, conquered by Dormammu, Umar, &, for a short time, ruled by Clea; these are two separate places in the Marvel Universe.
Chris Powell
02-05-2005, 04:36 PM
I was just wondering for some clarification of this. Darkhawk uses a darkforce blast that comes from his amulet. I was wondering if people think this is just what he called it or it is made of this darkforce energy as well.
mattbib
02-05-2005, 04:37 PM
I was just wondering for some clarification of this. Darkhawk uses a darkforce blast that comes from his amulet. I was wondering if people think this is just what he called it or it is made of this darkforce energy as well.I believe that's true Darkforce. IIRC he was involved in a big Darkforce crossover several years ago.
static
02-05-2005, 07:01 PM
i think its about time some writer puts together a big ass MU spanning arc using all the darkforce manipulators ...explain the being who dwells there and his ultimate plan for granting select humans and mutants the darkforce power....and then have characters like dazzler, dagger, photon and others used in a desperate plan devised by tony stark and reed richards in defeating the being and purging the MU of the darkforce infulence ...for now!:)
mattbib
02-05-2005, 10:12 PM
I'd buy it! :)
Atom_basher
02-05-2005, 10:23 PM
I would too, I think that would be awesome, and a tad creepy, if its pulled off right
kcekada
02-05-2005, 11:01 PM
I'd like to see Darkstar brought back also. She had some much potential back in The Champions title. Unfortunately, the character never had the spotlight after that series ended.
She had a variety of powers (all stemming from her ability to manipulate darkforce). I thought the way Morrison killed her off was pretty lame.
mattbib
02-05-2005, 11:13 PM
She had a variety of powers (all stemming from her ability to manipulate darkforce). I thought the way Morrison killed her off was pretty lame.As did all non-Ricers.
The Fury
02-06-2005, 04:32 AM
As did all non-Ricers.
What's a 'non-Ricers'? Yeah, I don't know.
But what they could do is something weird, like the dead Darkforce users are not really dead in the normal sense, by that I mean that when they die their minds and souls get trapped in the Darkforce Dimension. So they are all alive, just wandering the Darkforce Dimension and can't get out.
Jared_Humpherys
02-06-2005, 06:41 AM
Didn't Dusk of Slingers have some sort of Darkforce connection? Or maybe it's just the Thai food I ate this morning going to my head...
Atom_basher
02-06-2005, 10:40 AM
What's a 'non-Ricers'? Yeah, I don't know.
But what they could do is something weird, like the dead Darkforce users are not really dead in the normal sense, by that I mean that when they die their minds and souls get trapped in the Darkforce Dimension. So they are all alive, just wandering the Darkforce Dimension and can't get out.
FUry if you read my post earlier, i JUST said that, YOU IDEA STEALER!
The Fury
02-06-2005, 11:26 AM
FUry if you read my post earlier, i JUST said that, YOU IDEA STEALER!
*Checks* Hey you did as well, sorry about that, but none the less it's a good idea. Great minds do think alike.
Atom_basher
02-06-2005, 12:03 PM
*Checks* Hey you did as well, sorry about that, but none the less it's a good idea. Great minds do think alike.
Yes, yes they do :D
roguestorm
02-06-2005, 09:58 PM
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Will.S
02-06-2005, 10:17 PM
I was just wondering for some clarification of this. Darkhawk uses a darkforce blast that comes from his amulet. I was wondering if people think this is just what he called it or it is made of this darkforce energy as well.
I'm sorry but your avatar just kicked my ass. Awesome, Darkhawk returns!
I really can't wait for that story in Runaways.
PaxHouse
02-07-2005, 09:05 AM
i think its about time some writer puts together a big ass MU spanning arc using all the darkforce manipulators ...explain the being who dwells there and his ultimate plan for granting select humans and mutants the darkforce power....and then have characters like dazzler, dagger, photon and others used in a desperate plan devised by tony stark and reed richards in defeating the being and purging the MU of the darkforce influence ...for now!:)
....Within the NEW WARRIORS' Storyarc Forces of Darkness, Force of Light {NEW WARRIORS #32-#34 & Annual #3}....!! ;) :D :cool:
PaxHouse.
Chris Powell
02-07-2005, 10:34 AM
Yea, I took the cover and cut out DH using photoshop and minimized it. I love the new look, but I was wondering something. Why is Darkhawk back in his old armor. I know that he got the new suit in issue 38, but how did he turn back? I like the old suit better anyway, but I need some continuity for runaways. I asked this in another post, but no one answered me. Can anyone help me out.
static
02-07-2005, 08:14 PM
....Within the NEW WARRIORS' Storyarc Forces of Darkness, Force of Light {NEW WARRIORS #32-#34 & Annual #3}....!!
wow?!?!? really? how did it turn out and what happened? i am curious as hell...
Will.S
02-07-2005, 08:34 PM
Yea, I took the cover and cut out DH using photoshop and minimized it. I love the new look, but I was wondering something. Why is Darkhawk back in his old armor. I know that he got the new suit in issue 38, but how did he turn back? I like the old suit better anyway, but I need some continuity for runaways. I asked this in another post, but no one answered me. Can anyone help me out.
I'm not sure, I don't think it'll be explained. In New Warriors #1 volume 2 he was also in his older gear.
CoreyB
04-24-2006, 03:19 PM
I know this thread is really old but I was doing some Googling on the Darkforce Dimension and this thread came up.
Darkhawk's "Darkforce Blast" is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with the Darkforce Dimension. Chris realized this during the "Forces of Darkness, Forces of Light" storyline in New Warriors volume 1 referenced above.
Does anyone have any more info on the demon/monster that lives in the Darkforce Dimension?
I know this thread is really old but I was doing some Googling on the Darkforce Dimension and this thread came up.
Darkhawk's "Darkforce Blast" is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with the Darkforce Dimension. Chris realized this during the "Forces of Darkness, Forces of Light" storyline in New Warriors volume 1 referenced above.
Does anyone have any more info on the demon/monster that lives in the Darkforce Dimension?
The monster is associated with Cloak & Ecstasy. The monster feeds of the lifeforce of its victims leaving them a dried husk. Dagger would often stun her foes with her light then push them into Cloak's cloak to face the monster. She would give them the choice to stop dealing drugs or be trapped in the Darkforce dimension. Before being subjected to the monster, the victims would often see their greatest fears realized; however, all of this is illusion.
Cloak lost his powers for s short time when the woman--who became known as Ecstasy--usurped Cloak's powers. Ecstacy would often feed her victims to the monster with no remorse.
Marvel has not gone into great detail about the monster who lives within the Darkforce Dimension.
Buy Cloak & Dagger #1-4, Cloak & Dagger #1-11, & Strange Tales #1-19 for more details.
CoreyB
04-24-2006, 04:13 PM
I have them all, I was just wondering if there was any more info on the demon out there.
Do you have the Cloak & Dagger: Predator and Prey original graphic novel? If I remember right, that deal with the demon as well?
Cash Lone
04-24-2006, 04:16 PM
I have them all, I was just wondering if there was any more info on the demon out there.
Do you have the Cloak & Dagger: Predator and Prey original graphic novel? If I remember right, that deal with the demon as well?
yeah, the Demon is in that story and he revives Jack the Ripper to do his bidding.
CoreyB
04-24-2006, 04:24 PM
It's just peculiar that of all the Darkforce users in the Marvel Universe, the demon (who I took to be the ruler of the Darkforce Dimension, but that might be an assumption on my part) only exerts his influence over Cloak (and Ecstacy, when she had taken his powers).
Why is no one else afflicted with the same hunger to feed the demon? Does he get fed by other people on other planes of reality, or is it just Cloak? What does the demon want? Just to feed off of lifeforces? Or is there some higher motivation driving him/it? Are there other denizens of the Darkforce Dimension that he can feed off of? Does he have any influence, or gain any power from other Darkforce-users in the Marvel Universe? So on and so forth.
tangentman
04-25-2006, 01:41 AM
The late Darkstar experienced a very intimate relationship with her powers. In many stories, she acted as if the source of her power was sentient. For example, Darkstar would refer to her darkforce as "she". Apparently, Laynia was psychically linked with the weird stuff and it was at least semi-sentient. Of all the dead Darkforcers, Darkstar would stand the best chance of returning to life via "transient soul trapped in Darkforce dimension."
As for the monster in the dimension, it fed off and psychically tormented ANYONE unfortunate enough to get trapped there. Colossus was tortured with cruel illusions of Kitty and Zsaji that preyed on his guilt over two-timing Kitty in the "Secret War". The Runaways swallowed by Cloak's portal found themselves tormented by demonic images created by the Darkforce dimension.
Zero Hunter
04-25-2006, 01:04 PM
Wasn't Quagmire from the old Squadron Supreme able to use darkforce, or was it just something really close? I know he ended up in the regular Marvel U after being sucked into the darkness when he was in a coma in his own dimension, and ended up fighting Quasar. Can't really remember what happened to him after that.
Expletive Deleted
04-25-2006, 01:22 PM
Wasn't Quagmire from the old Squadron Supreme able to use darkforce, or was it just something really close? I know he ended up in the regular Marvel U after being sucked into the darkness when he was in a coma in his own dimension, and ended up fighting Quasar. Can't really remember what happened to him after that.He was trapped in the Darkforce Dimension at the end of the "Forces of Darkness, Forces of Light" storyline in NEW WARRIORS, I think. Could be misremembering, though.
CoreyB
04-25-2006, 01:28 PM
Everybody that had been trapped during that story was released, though. So, he's theoretically still wandering around the Marvel Universe somewhere. And yes, his power did come from the Darkforce Dimension.
Brian888
04-25-2006, 02:06 PM
Does the creature in the Darkforce Dimension kill its victims, or merely torment them? If it does kill them, then why are Cloak and Dagger (who are heroes) tossing people in there to face it?
CoreyB
04-25-2006, 02:12 PM
It feeds off of their lifeforce. So it depends on how long they keep them in there. Cloak has historically been a bit more cold-blooded about it and would keep people inside him longer than he should while Dagger would plead for him to release them. When they first started out, they didn't mind killing for vengeance for what was done to them and the children that were killed from the drug experimentation they were subjected to. But Dagger eventually convinved Cloak to put the kabosh on the killing thing.
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