X3 merged, one-stop speculation and spoilers thread

[Steve]

Sexy Terrorist Mom from 24! YAY!!!
Olivia Williams wasn't the terrorist mom.

Shohreh Aghdashloo (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0013037/) was.

[KenK]

Olivia Williams wasn't the terrorist mom.

Shohreh Aghdashloo (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0013037/) was.

And she's in the film too!! YAY!

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

no she's not :confused:

[Magneto_X]

She plays the doctor who cured mutantism during Whedon's X-men run.

If they're just going to rip off Whedon they should hire him, not Ratner!

[Steve]

And she's in the film too!! YAY!
She as in Williams of Aghdashloo?

Williams? Yes.

Aghdashloo? Where'd you get the impression that she's going to be in X3?

[blackdragon6]

And she's in the film too!! YAY!
huh?................

[KenK]

Aghdashloo? Where'd you get the impression that she's going to be in X3?

She's playing Dr. Kavita Rao from Joss Whedon's Astoninshing X-Men.

[Steve]

She's playing Dr. Kavita Rao from Joss Whedon's Astoninshing X-Men.
Ah, I see.

And I read about this news only a few days ago on one of Deathstroke's TV/Film Update threads.

Shame on me for not remembering.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

Katie Nauta is on the cast list i have no idea who she's playing though.

[Steve]

Well, well, well.

Looks like Aghdashloo ain't playing Dr. Kavita Rao after all.

Click here (http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=3434) to find out who she's playing.

[Magneto_X]

That's so cool! Loved her character in Joe Kelly's run. :)

Cheyenne:

Stacy X.

[hugh45]

Well, well, well.

Looks like Aghdashloo ain't playing Dr. Kavita Rao after all.

Click here (http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=3434) to find out who she's playing.

X-characters already have a person that can create force fields by the
name of Skids.

I hope what people felt this director isn't coming to pass.

[Steve]

X-characters already have a person that can create force fields by the
name of Skids.

I hope what people felt this director isn't coming to pass.
Ah, Skids. Remember her.

[kalorama]

X-characters already have a person that can create force fields by the
name of Skids.

I hope what people felt this director isn't coming to pass.

The character she's playing isn't a new one created by the director for the film. It's a character that appeared in the comic for a couple of years during Joe Kelly's run. So if you want to blame someone, blame him.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

aghdashloo is kinda old to be playing cecilia reyes

[KenK]

Turns out she is playing Kavita Rao. Although I'm wondering if Cecelia Reyes will still be featured in the film. I mean, how did her name even come into play unless there was some connection to the film. I'd still love to see Dr. Reyes in the film, as I really had high hopes for her character in the comics.

[blackdragon6]

Turns out she is playing Kavita Rao. Although I'm wondering if Cecelia Reyes will still be featured in the film. I mean, how did her name even come into play unless there was some connection to the film. I'd still love to see Dr. Reyes in the film, as I really had high hopes for her character in the comics.the role i hear she's playing keep changing too much.so i have absolutly no idea.

[Magneto_X]

The character she's playing isn't a new one created by the director for the film. It's a character that appeared in the comic for a couple of years during Joe Kelly's run. So if you want to blame someone, blame him.

Reyes is actually a great character. She was awesome in Kelly's run.

[blackdragon6]

Xmenfilms.net just released this:

"So you thought you knew it all when we released information on Omega Red and Gauntlet, huh? Well you were wrong. XMF has just received a 100% totally backed up by us exclusive that will blow your pants right off. Before reading this however we’d like you to realize that every bit of this is considered a ‘major’ spoiler and will ruin the scene for you, however…it will not ruin the movie. So at your own discretion read on...."



"First on the agenda is that we’ve received information on ‘Sentinels’. They are in this movie. Our new source (who we back completely) has told us there will be a scene with Wolverine and Storm. The best description we can offer is: Storm pulls Logan from a car before a foot crunches down on it, making it not look like a car anymore! You can then expect Wolverine to pound the crap out of it, guaranteed."

"Going to a scene that will probably air in the movie before the Sentinel intro, we have Wolverine wandering in the forest. A lot of speculation has went on that he was in a confrontation with someone. We then got news about Omega Red and Gauntlet. We now have the complete story, but it doesn’t start with Wolverine or the two new cameos. Think about Phoenix for a moment. Because that is where this scene begins."

"Just so you all know, this scene will be cut into parts, that will go back and forth between them. The parts of this scene are from different places, and are different confrontations, but there all happening at the same exact time, and there all apart of the same scene plot. This is where the spoilage gets extreme, read further at your discretion."



"Explanation: The brotherhood want to get to the phoenix, she is confused and about to rise. Magneto knows this, and wants to take advantage of it. He splits up his men, and decides to create diversions so the X-men can’t get to the phoenix. But he fails, because the scene clearly starts off…."

"Part 1 - Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Xavier, & Storm are there where Jean Grey (The Dark Phoenix) Is rising, by there surprise Magneto and Mystique are also there. Xavier and his team seem to be there to aid Jean, while the brotherhood seems to be there to corrupt. A bit of powers begin to fly, brother hood vs. x-men and at a point phoenix versus everyone."

"Part 2 - Close by in the forest you can see Wolverine running, nothing was explained about that. He was probably on his way to the other older x-men. Next thing you know Omega Red, Gauntlet, Multiple Man and a bunch of Omega Red’s henchman surround him. By some sort of coincidence some sort of military ( XMF was NOT told what the name of the faction was but we do know that they have something to do with the Sentinels. ) show up and the surround all four mutants. Multiple Man multiplies and takes them on, as Gauntlet and Omega Red take on Wolverine. This scene is brotherhood diversion one."

"To sum it up: Wolverine Vs Omega Red, Gauntlet, Multiple Man. Unknown faction against all the mutants. Double fight in one."

"Part 3 - As said, happening at the same time, a fight at the X-mansion begins. New brotherhood members Pyro, Scarlet Witch and Avalanche approach the frontal area of the Xavier Institute. Approaching them immediately are Rogue, Ice Man, Jubilee and X-Kid. Right away conflict flares and without any explanation to why they begin to fight, it seems to of been acknowledged it wasn’t a friendly meet and greet."

"Part 2 summed up: Avalanche Vs Jubilee, Pyro Vs Ice Man & Rogue/X-Kid Vs Scarlet Witch."

"Part 4 - You can’t leave out the biggest and badest it seems, because when all this is going on, who would’ve thought Juggernaut was on campus as well. Luckily Colossus was around. Colossus faces off at the X-mansion with none other then Juggernaut. Good thing he had help available from x-student Kitty Pryde aka Shadow cat."

"XMF was not given exact information on which team beat each team in each moment, but expect a classic x-men clash. This is the fight scene X-fans have been dying to have, and here it is. This is a rewritten perception of the information we were given. It was rewrote in a way that you guys can read it and probably enjoy it more. We were told that this scene is 7-10 minutes long, and really wasn’t a big part of the movie at all. Its looking good for X3. This is from the same source who gave us the information on Omega Red & Gauntlet, we support this 100% and can tell you this is fact, and not fiction."

[Magneto_X]

That sounds really cool, Black Dragon. :)

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

not really but,i hope this is just some crazed rumor

[blackdragon6]

Some minor spoilers:

http://www.canmag.com/news/4/3/2098

Here it is folks. Our number one scooper when it comes to X-Men 3, 'FstudioX3Divided They Fall', has recently sent us a whopper of info with the details for the entire first trailer for X-Men 3. Though there are some minor spoilers, this trailer sounds rad and I am hoping that all the elements mentioned in the scoop are shown in the final cut. And we get to see Beast and Juggernaut!

X3 Trailer Details

The scoop below comes again from 'FstudioX3Divided They Fall', who was kind enough to give an extremely detailed report on what we can expect from the trailer for X-Men 3 coming our way in October.

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Target release October 19th 2005

X Men 3 Trailer 1: Total time 1:57 seconds

Black Screen:

Scene of Cyclops talking as the Professor lays to his left on a straight glass like table.

Cyclops: "The Professor has slipped into a deep coma. A virus of some sort has overtaken his body."

Screen flashes black:

A scene of Storm talking to Kitty Pride. Kitty Pride has her hands on her face crying.

Storm: "Sometimes the decisions we make are the hardest ones to understand, when they cause us pain."

Screen flashes black again:

Scene of Wolverine running through a forest at night. Looking behind him, he leaps towards the camera and grunts

Screen goes black again:

Music begins as a slow background drum with a low base trombone

Scene of the X men (Cyclops, Beast, Rogue, Kitty Pride, Wolverine, Storm and Iceman) that is viewed from a hovered camera. A flash of orange light hits them and the screen goes black again

Scene of Pyro and Iceman standing in a cave like structure glaring at each other: (The background glows a yellowish tint)

Pyro: "Bobby didn’t your mother ever tell you not to play with fire?" (Igniting fire in his hand that lights the cave)

Iceman: "No John, my mother told YOU never to play with fire." (Hovers an ice ball in his hand)

Screen goes black again

Scene of Cyclops again, this time talking to an off screen character in the X Mansion

Cyclops: "The last thing I need is you here."

Off-screen character: "The first thing you need here, is to remember who you are talking to."

Screen black again:

Scene of Colossus jumping in front of Kitty Pride to save her. A punch sends him across the screen

Kitty Pride Yells, Rouge screams for Iceman

Black Screen

A Scene with Magneto speaking

Magneto: "You can not be that foolish to think you can control your powers." He begins to hurl objects off the screen

Black Screen:

Scene of Jean Grey falling to the ground through a tall building, like a wounded bird, head-first

Black Screen:

Shot of Cyclops standing over a recently dug grave. The day is dreary and grey. He has tears in his eyes

Cyclops: "I never wanted this for us. Please believe me when I say that. I will miss you."

Black Screen

Close up Shot of Beast

Beast: "If we fail, we fail all of mutant kind as well."

Black Screen

Wide Shot

Juggernaut leaping over a ravine, viewed from a side wide out shot

Fade to Black

Professor X’s Voice: "Friends sometimes die. Enemies are reborn."

Black screen

Screen shows a large X with Wolverine’s claws running across it to make a three indent

[blackdragon6]

this sounds fake as hell BTW lmao

[blackdragon6]

No wings on right now, but Ben Foster has been spotted filming a scene where he swoops out of his father's lab buildings, and it looks really cool. Check it out:

http://flickr.com/photos/goodgrief/sets/1061036

[blackdragon6]

September 30, 2005 - Along with scribe Zak Penn, British-born Simon Kinberg is the screenwriter of the now-filming X-Men 3. He has worked on two other 20th Century Fox/Marvel Studios collaborations, Fantastic Four and Elektra. His Columbia University senior thesis script, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, was produced with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie starring and became one of summer 2005's biggest hits.



With X3 roughly midway through filming for its May 26, 2006 release date, Mr. Kinberg was kind enough to take time out to speak with IGN FilmForce about the film, director Brett Ratner and Marvel in general.




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IGN FilmForce: Now that X-Men 3 is about halfway through principal photography, what do you think have been the biggest challenges the production has faced thus far? And what's gone better than expected?

Simon Kinberg: The challenges are the same as any movie. The only difference is this film is larger than any I've been around. I think the biggest challenge from a script standpoint has been making sure we take care of all the characters. There are ten or eleven major characters in this film that all need time and focus.

To answer the second question, I think this film is much more emotional than I ever imagined. There are some really heart-breaking moments in the movie. And the performances are so damn good, beyond my wildest expectations.

IGNFF: Director Brett Ratner has not exactly been met with universal approval by fans, especially given the mostly warm reception Bryan Singer's X-Men films received. What strengths do you think Ratner brings to this particular project that fans should know about?

Kinberg: Well, first and foremost, Brett starts from a love of the comics. He's got an immense respect for the X-Men universe. He's also got a lot of respect for Bryan's films, so he's not trying to create a radically different template. He's staying loyal to the tone of the first two films, but he's making this movie more visceral and emotional. Since we're dealing with one of the most intense storylines in X-Men history, he knows how important emotion is. And the actors have really responded to him. Wait till you see Famke Janssen in this film. She's going to blow your mind.

IGNFF: Some fans also have voiced concern that X3 is overstuffed with characters. But are these "guest stars" (such as Multiple Man and Moira MacTaggert) merely just "easter eggs" for fans? Sort of like how Dick Tracy included many cameos but the story still focused on three or four central protagonists.

Kinberg: I'm Jewish, so I don't know much about easter eggs. But I don't think our movie is overstuffed with characters. That would be like saying the comics are too crowded with characters. This film takes place in the X-Men universe, so when we write a geneticist, it's Kavita Rao instead of some nameless, faceless doctor. This movie has a bigger canvas than the first two films, so there's room for more characters. Think about how many characters there were in Return of the King or Revenge of the Sith. Having said that, there's still not enough room for every great character, so we have to make sacrifices sometimes. Like Gambit. I'm a huge Gambit fan, but we knew there wasn't enough space to do him justice, so he'll have to wait till X4.

IGNFF Since I know you can't talk about the film's plot in any revealing detail, what then would you say X-Men 3 is about thematically?

Kinberg: One of the great things that Bryan did with the first two films was really making them about something. He understood the metaphor of the comic, and translated it to the screen. This movie continues some of the universal X-Men themes, like alienation, persecution, the struggle for equality. But on an emotional level, it also deals with what happens when someone you love starts to spiral out of control. How can you help them? When is it too late?

IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?

Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died. …

IGNFF: Many fans think Nightcrawler stole the show in X2. Which character do you think will most likely be the standout in X3?



Kinberg: I think we have a bunch of cool new characters. If I had to choose one, I would say Beast. He looks incredible. The prosthetics are better than anything I've ever seen. And Kelsey [Grammer] is uncanny in the role. As much as he seems perfect for Frasier, this guy was born to play Hank McCoy. The voice, the eyes, the intelligence, the pathos in his voice, just the way he walks.

IGNFF: Does X3 set up an X4 or the Wolverine spin-off? Or is this really the end of the X-Men film series?

Kinberg: We didn't write the script with the next movies in mind. But it's definitely not the end of the series. I know they [20th Century Fox and Marvel Studios] plan on making Wolverine and more X-Men movies. We wrote the script as the end of a trilogy, the end of one cycle. The next movies will start a new cycle.

IGNFF: How does your experience on X3 compare with your experience on the Fantastic Four movie?

Kinberg: Many of the people were the same. The studio, the producers. But my experience was very different. On Fantastic Four, I was the last writer, after fifteen other writers worked on it. I came onto the film about a month before production, so most of the movie was locked in place. It was really Mark Frost's draft that we shot. I was always working inside his structure. On X3, there wasn't a word written before I got hired. I was the first writer, so I was working from scratch. Then I started working with Zak [Penn, co-screenwriter], and we've been writing together throughout production. It's a whole different thing when you're there at the beginning, middle, and end. Also, this is the third movie of an established franchise with a very clear tone, whereas Fantastic Four was the first movie, so there was a lot more set-up.

IGNFF: You've worked with Marvel a few times now. Do you have any plans to work on any other Marvel projects, such as those lined up at Paramount?

Kinberg: I 'm definitely talking to those guys about other projects. I grew up on their comics, and there's nothing cooler to me than getting the chance to bring these characters to life. [Marvel Studios execs] Avi Arad and Kevin Feige have been really supportive of me from the start, even before I got my first gig in this business. So yeah, I'd love to keep working with them. They feel like family.

IGNFF: Do you have any plans to pen a Marvel comic book? Screenwriters like David Goyer, Kevin Smith and Sam Hamm have all taken a stab at comics.

Kinberg: No plans, for now. There are too many good comic book writers out there. I'd rather remain a fanboy.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/655/655059p1.html

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

alot of big things are happening..................i'm assuming.

[Magneto_X]

Scene of Cyclops talking as the Professor lays to his left on a straight glass like table.

Cyclops: "The Professor has slipped into a deep coma. A virus of some sort has overtaken his body."



Not the Legacy Virus!!!!!! Dammit. :(

Having the Dark Pheonix should be enough without this messing everything up.

[Magneto_X]

IGNFF: Some fans also have voiced concern that X3 is overstuffed with characters. But are these "guest stars" (such as Multiple Man and Moira MacTaggert) merely just "easter eggs" for fans? Sort of like how Dick Tracy included many cameos but the story still focused on three or four central protagonists.

Kinberg: I'm Jewish, so I don't know much about easter eggs. But I don't think our movie is overstuffed with characters. That would be like saying the comics are too crowded with characters. This film takes place in the X-Men universe, so when we write a geneticist, it's Kavita Rao instead of some nameless, faceless doctor. This movie has a bigger canvas than the first two films, so there's room for more characters. Think about how many characters there were in Return of the King or Revenge of the Sith. Having said that, there's still not enough room for every great character, so we have to make sacrifices sometimes. Like Gambit. I'm a huge Gambit fan, but we knew there wasn't enough space to do him justice, so he'll have to wait till X4.


This guy obviously doesn't realise you can give more characters room to develop in an ongoing comic series then in a 2 hour movie. Ugh. What an idiot!

[Petersen]

playing with photoshop....

[sir_snikt'alot]

never trust 'spoiler trailers' on websites without actual visual evidence,theyre always fake,i read about a matrix reloaded trailer where the oracle gets her head blown off,it was bullshit,and dont get me started on the rumour about robin losing his legs in the batman film after batman and robin.

[blackdragon6]

and dont get me started on the rumour about robin losing his legs in the batman film after batman and robin.hilarious...... :D

[Magneto_X]

I've been slightly impressed by the previews I've seen.

It could be a good popcorn flick.

My biggest worry is the never-ending cast.

Can't wait to see Kitty hit the big screen. They got a pretty actress for the role, too.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Xmenfilms.net just released this:

"So you thought you knew it all when we released information on Omega Red and Gauntlet, huh? Well you were wrong. XMF has just received a 100% totally backed up by us exclusive that will blow your pants right off. Before reading this however we’d like you to realize that every bit of this is considered a ‘major’ spoiler and will ruin the scene for you, however…it will not ruin the movie. So at your own discretion read on...."



"First on the agenda is that we’ve received information on ‘Sentinels’. They are in this movie. Our new source (who we back completely) has told us there will be a scene with Wolverine and Storm. The best description we can offer is: Storm pulls Logan from a car before a foot crunches down on it, making it not look like a car anymore! You can then expect Wolverine to pound the crap out of it, guaranteed."

"Going to a scene that will probably air in the movie before the Sentinel intro, we have Wolverine wandering in the forest. A lot of speculation has went on that he was in a confrontation with someone. We then got news about Omega Red and Gauntlet. We now have the complete story, but it doesn’t start with Wolverine or the two new cameos. Think about Phoenix for a moment. Because that is where this scene begins."

"Just so you all know, this scene will be cut into parts, that will go back and forth between them. The parts of this scene are from different places, and are different confrontations, but there all happening at the same exact time, and there all apart of the same scene plot. This is where the spoilage gets extreme, read further at your discretion."



"Explanation: The brotherhood want to get to the phoenix, she is confused and about to rise. Magneto knows this, and wants to take advantage of it. He splits up his men, and decides to create diversions so the X-men can’t get to the phoenix. But he fails, because the scene clearly starts off…."

"Part 1 - Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Xavier, & Storm are there where Jean Grey (The Dark Phoenix) Is rising, by there surprise Magneto and Mystique are also there. Xavier and his team seem to be there to aid Jean, while the brotherhood seems to be there to corrupt. A bit of powers begin to fly, brother hood vs. x-men and at a point phoenix versus everyone."

"Part 2 - Close by in the forest you can see Wolverine running, nothing was explained about that. He was probably on his way to the other older x-men. Next thing you know Omega Red, Gauntlet, Multiple Man and a bunch of Omega Red’s henchman surround him. By some sort of coincidence some sort of military ( XMF was NOT told what the name of the faction was but we do know that they have something to do with the Sentinels. ) show up and the surround all four mutants. Multiple Man multiplies and takes them on, as Gauntlet and Omega Red take on Wolverine. This scene is brotherhood diversion one."

"To sum it up: Wolverine Vs Omega Red, Gauntlet, Multiple Man. Unknown faction against all the mutants. Double fight in one."

"Part 3 - As said, happening at the same time, a fight at the X-mansion begins. New brotherhood members Pyro, Scarlet Witch and Avalanche approach the frontal area of the Xavier Institute. Approaching them immediately are Rogue, Ice Man, Jubilee and X-Kid. Right away conflict flares and without any explanation to why they begin to fight, it seems to of been acknowledged it wasn’t a friendly meet and greet."

"Part 2 summed up: Avalanche Vs Jubilee, Pyro Vs Ice Man & Rogue/X-Kid Vs Scarlet Witch."

"Part 4 - You can’t leave out the biggest and badest it seems, because when all this is going on, who would’ve thought Juggernaut was on campus as well. Luckily Colossus was around. Colossus faces off at the X-mansion with none other then Juggernaut. Good thing he had help available from x-student Kitty Pryde aka Shadow cat."

"XMF was not given exact information on which team beat each team in each moment, but expect a classic x-men clash. This is the fight scene X-fans have been dying to have, and here it is. This is a rewritten perception of the information we were given. It was rewrote in a way that you guys can read it and probably enjoy it more. We were told that this scene is 7-10 minutes long, and really wasn’t a big part of the movie at all. Its looking good for X3. This is from the same source who gave us the information on Omega Red & Gauntlet, we support this 100% and can tell you this is fact, and not fiction."


I could see this being very cool, if they do it right.

Oh well, looks like we just have to wait another 5 months to find out.

[blackdragon6]

yeah i'm really waiting too see how the plot pans out.

[Magneto_X]

Here's the first review of X3:

www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=22244

[blackdragon6]

i really don't like whats coming out of aicn (if its true)


BTW the posters there are fucking hilarious!!!!:D

[Magneto_X]

i really don't like whats coming out of aicn (if its true)

Me, either. It seems our worst fears have been confirmed. I'll wait until its on cable to watch it. Giving Fox money would only encourage them to make more sh*t (re: Fantastic Four).

BTW the posters there are fucking hilarious!!!!:D

Reading the "talkbacks" at AICN are half the fun. :)

They make Newsarama look civilised. :eek:

[Captain Trips]

I have been keping away from the spoilers, but I did read part of the "review" posted on AICN. If it is true that there is a lot of inconsistency with the first two films, and that the continutity of those two has been disregarded for the most part, I will be disappointed. One of the things I really loved about X2 was that it picked up right where the first one left off. Wolverine was at Alkali Lake, Magneto was in his plastic prison, Mystique was still posing as Senator Kelly. It was a true continuation of the overall story, not just another adventure.

It seems like there are a ton of new characters, but I honestly believe that most of them are filler and in the background. Magneto is assembling an army of mutants, so why not populate them with characters that fans of the series know instead of just generic mutants. That doesn't mean they will need to have a lot of screen time or be developed. I don't have a problem with that at all. But I won't know how it all comes together until the film comes out.

I think the Sentinels are in the Danger Room sequence. From the trailer, those scenes show Storm getting Wolverine out of the way of being trounced by something, Iceman using his powers at something above him, and Colossus giving Wolverine the fastball special at something very high in the air. This could be a really cool scene, and a lot of fun to watch.

I do have a feeling that this movie will suffer a bit without Bryan Singer's direction. He had a really good feel for this material and these characters. I don't know if the integrity he put into it will be retained. But I won't condemn it before it comes out. And hopefully I won't be condemning it afterwards either.

[kalorama]

I've been ducking the spoilers for the most part. But the apparent exponential proliferation of characters does bother me. I thought the cast of X2 was already too crowded. This appears to be much worse. And using key characters from the X-verse in throwaway roles could really create a potential problem for future films, it the filmmakers decide to expand the universe by altering the roster.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

The AICN reveiw scares the shit out of me

[PerfectBrak]

It seems the reviewer, MissLadyVenus, has a history of making things up. I wouldn't put much faith in it, as the review seems to only detail things seen in the trailer supported by lots of fluff. Sounds like garbage.

[Peter]

The AICN reveiw scares the shit out of me

We'll always have the the first two movies, if nothing else.

[Grant]

The AICN reveiw scares the shit out of me

They took it down. So it might not be legit.

[blackdragon6]

They took it down. So it might not be legit.lmao i should hope so........

[blackdragon6]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b2/Evil_Mutants.jpg/800px-Evil_Mutants.jpg

well this picture is interesting

[Scorpion13]

Lemme guess....Lord Humongous there is the Juggernaut.

[Chevan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b2/Evil_Mutants.jpg/800px-Evil_Mutants.jpg

well this picture is interesting

... You're leaching off Wikipedia? For shame, blackdragon6. For shame.

The Pic: Am I the only one that thinks that looks like a bad Photochop job?

[Magneto_X]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b2/Evil_Mutants.jpg/800px-Evil_Mutants.jpg

well this picture is interesting

That's one hella nice group shot.

Whose the guy next to Magneto? Is that Pyro? It looks like Bobby/Iceman.

[blackdragon6]

... You're leaching off Wikipedia? For shame, blackdragon6. For shame.

The Pic: Am I the only one that thinks that looks like a bad Photochop job?
actually someone else was leeching it from wikipedia.and of course i leeched it from them.:D

[blackdragon6]

Lemme guess....Lord Humongous there is the Juggernaut.i think it is.......

[Magneto_X]

They took it down. So it might not be legit.

It could also mean she was telling the truth.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

juggernaut look............silly.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

We get it! ;)

I don't think they'll kill off any main characters... I just don't see that happening for a multitude of reasons. This whoe drama has tore me down from excited to extremely nervous.

Stuart
if you say so,

[Grant]

It could also mean she was telling the truth.

I kind of doubt that. If there was really a test screening there would have been more reviews.

[Magneto_X]

I kind of doubt that. If there was really a test screening there would have been more reviews.

If she was telling the truth Fox would be sh*tting themselves to get it off the net ASAP.

They don't want people knowing it's a piece of sh*t before getting in a good week(end) of profit before words of mouth gets around.

[Grant]

DOUBLE POST GOODNESS

[Grant]

If she was telling the truth Fox would be sh*tting themselves to get it off the net ASAP.

They don't want people knowing it's a piece of sh*t before getting in a good week(end) of profit before words of mouth gets around.

I think you're being paranoid.

There's not a lot they can do to prevent an early bad review from being posted on the net. They might be able to coax a few websites to take them down but other then that they can't do a whole lot more.

Seriously none of these other movie rumour sites have another X-Men review. You think if an audience saw a new X-Men more then one person would be telling other people online about it.

Plus the movie just wrapped shooting recentely and I kind of doubt that they are far enough along in post production to start testing.

[blackdragon6]

the story might be good but i'm wondering if rattner gonna bring the goodness out of the script.remember blade trinity had a interesting story but the director screwed it over.

[Magneto_X]

Blade Trinity could have been split into two seperate movies.

1) for the FBI and 2) for Dracula.

To bad Del Doro wanted to do Hellboy instead. Trinity could have been salvagable.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

the movie is offically called X-Men: The Last Stand Yaaaayyyy!!!




yes i'm being a smart ass

[blackdragon6]

what i want is a better trailer

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

HEY!! CHECK THIS OUT!!


http://www.x-men-movies.de/assets/images/db_images/db_wolvieandjean2.jpg

[blackdragon6]

hey atleast we get to see famke in her draws.

[Magneto_X]

That's one pic that really works.

It seems death has opposite effects on Marvel movie women: with Elektra it made her a recluse with Jean it made her a slut. lol

[blackdragon6]

That's one pic that really works.

It seems death has opposite effects on Marvel movie women: with Elektra it made her a recluse with Jean it made her a slut. lolLMAO :D.not that theres anything wrong with it.

[Magneto_X]

LMAO :D.not that theres anything wrong with it.

God no!!!!!!!!

:)

[blackdragon6]

HEY!! CHECK THIS OUT!!


http://www.x-men-movies.de/assets/images/db_images/db_wolvieandjean2.jpgdamn hugh all in that! :D

[hulahulk]

HEY!! CHECK THIS OUT!!


http://www.x-men-movies.de/assets/images/db_images/db_wolvieandjean2.jpg

When he pops his claws, that means he's aroused.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

Well maybe this will make sense when we see the movie.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

for the longest time fox was saying storm and wolverine was gonna have a love scene but apparently its wolvie and jeanie.

[Ontir]

I'm so disappointed in what I'm hearing about this film!

It's so bad, that I've no intention of seeing it, until a few friends (one of whom worked on X2 have given me a review. I'd rather not see it, and stop with the previous film, which I think was fantastic, then have that ruined by an overly jam-packed, rushed, forced-ending.

They needed to tie off the Magneto arc, but Pheonix is deserving of an entire arc/trilogy all alone, so why does the series have to end with the third film? Is there any reason for this? Obviously, you want to only make another when you've got a good story (well, it should be obvious, but thus far I'm not sure that's the case), but when you're dealing with a property that's been in existence for about 40 years, and has been highly profitable for the last 27, why paint yourself into a corner?

[Origami]

What bothers me is that the script for this movie is the same guy who wrote the script rewrite for the two of the worst Marvel movies, Elecktra and Fantastic Four.

I have no idea why they decided to hire this guy with such a proven bad track record. :confused:

[Origami]

The AICN reveiw scares the shit out of me

Anyone has a copy of that review?

Can you post?

[blackdragon6]

the story does seem kinda dicey (if its true that is),but i do think there will be plenty of action if nothing else.

[Ontir]

I'm getting scareder and scareder! 8 ^O

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

well,i'm gonna wait and see how this pans out.it might be one of those movies that do well at the box office but gets either mixed reveiws or totally creamed by the critics.i'm sure this is the fate of this film.

[David Walton]

They needed to tie off the Magneto arc, but Pheonix is deserving of an entire arc/trilogy all alone, so why does the series have to end with the third film? Is there any reason for this? Obviously, you want to only make another when you've got a good story (well, it should be obvious, but thus far I'm not sure that's the case), but when you're dealing with a property that's been in existence for about 40 years, and has been highly profitable for the last 27, why paint yourself into a corner?

X-Men, with its rotating cast, is arguably easier to keep going than any of the other franchises because no one character defines the series.

But you know, I'm sure if they test that theory by dropping Wolverine the movies wouldn't reach straight-to-video numbers.

[Scorpion13]

Methinks that perhaps an X-men TV show wouldnt be out of the question....

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

X-Men, with its rotating cast, is arguably easier to keep going than any of the other franchises because no one character defines the series..LMAO tell that to wolverine fan boys/girls.and also tell that to fox studios.look how the films treated cyclops and storm.


But you know, I'm sure if they test that theory by dropping Wolverine the movies wouldn't reach straight-to-video numbers.you think?.

[blackdragon6]

everbody takes a back seat to wolverine.

[Magneto_X]

everbody takes a back seat to wolverine.

Not in this.

Supposedly Storm takes centre stage in this. :eek:

[blackdragon6]

Not in this.

Supposedly Storm takes centre stage in this. :eek:yeah but look how long it took.

[Magneto_X]

yeah but look how long it took.

Storm is a great character but she's been treated *really* bad in the movies. The lack of screen time, coupled with barely anything to do (although X2 did better) and Halle berry's "acting"* really hurt the character. :(

*she's a vert talented actress but she barely even bothers trying with Storm

[blackdragon6]

*she's a vert talented actress but she barely even bothers trying with Storm
berry was'nt my first choice as storm,but we are stuck with her now.i do think she WANTS to help exspand the character but the writers are'nt giving her any leeway.

[Magneto_X]

berry was'nt my first choice as storm,but we are stuck with her now.i do think she WANTS to help exspand the character but the writers are'nt giving her any leeway.

Me either.

They weren't stuck with.

They could have easily nullified her contract and replaced her with someone else (Gina Torres, Thandie Newton etc) but nooooooo they had to give into her diva antics *despite* Catwoman bombing.

[blackdragon6]

we'll see what happenes

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Me either.

They weren't stuck with.

They could have easily nullified her contract and replaced her with someone else (Gina Torres, Thandie Newton etc) but nooooooo they had to give into her diva antics *despite* Catwoman bombing. :rolleyes: to be fair berry wasn't acting diva'ish she really needed more to do.the character deserved more.she was ho hum because what could she do with 3 or 4 lines in a movie?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

NOTE: Some of these sites may contain spoilers...



X-Men Films.net
A big album of photos: http://www.xmenfilms.net/album/xmen3/1/index.html
Wolverine: http://www.xmenfilms.net/album/xmen3/1/slides/WolverineEW.html

Superhero Hype
Storm in a different costume / Omahyra, Callisto, and Psylocke / The Cast: http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3786
Psylocke comparison: http://psylocke.club.fr/gallerie/revolution/035.jpg
Multiple Man: http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/7194/jamiemadrox6jo0ry.jpg
New Memorial (or whatever): http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8554/9230842398402384la.jpg

The X-Verse
Psylocke (Requires log-in): http://www.thexverse.com/community/showpost.php?p=330&postcount=74

AICN
Phoenix
Pictures not yet cleared by 20th Century Fox. As soon as they are, I'll re-post the link.

Colossus and Rogue: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22257

IMDB
Headshots of the cast in character: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376994/photogallery

Photobucket
Storm and Kitty: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/stormkitty.jpg
Colossus and Rogue: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/colossalrogue27gv.jpg

Wikipedia
Panoramic Memorial Shot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Funeral_Scene.jpg

Wizard Magazine
Beast: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3931/beast0qe6xg.jpg

Big-Ass Juggernaut
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5392/jugsy1co.jpg


Juggernaut Closeup: http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/juggernaut1.jpg


Angel in Uniform (as in he is confirmed to be on the team)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3325/angeluniform0kw.jpg

Just Added
Wizard Magazine (i Think)
Beast and President: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9454/x1pnprgmi5o53qginmofzdauiedhtg.jpg
Jean: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2025/brotherhoodphoenixtwo9cz.jpg

Misc.
Storm: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/storm111.jpg
Rogue: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/rogue111.jpg
Phoenix: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/phoenixleaked.jpg
Iceman a little frosty: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/iceman1.jpg
Beast in War Room: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/beast1.jpg
Just Added
Beast mug shot: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1592/beast52ak.jpg

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Toys
Juggernaut: http://www.action-figure.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=ImageBank&file=index&id=70529

Beast: http://www.action-figure.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=ImageBank&file=index&id=70523

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Production
JoBlo
http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=8580

Misc.
Colossus and Rogue: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/colrogue.jpg


Wizard Magazine (i Think)
Kelsey Grammar Make-up Application: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9490/x1pnprgmi5o53qginmofzdakiaq1lb.jpg

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Promotional
Ben Foster in wings: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/joe82/angeluni2.jpg

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Pyro Gallery and Museum
Aaron Stanfod.com
http://aaron-stanford.com/gallery/albums/Films/X3/Stills/normal_x3stills_001.jpg
http://aaron-stanford.com/gallery/albums/Films/X3/Stills/normal_x3stills_002.jpg
Notice Pyro's wrist flamethrowers.

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Feel free to post anymore,

[Scorpion13]

Sorry, but alot of those pics dont work.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Sorry, but alot of those pics dont work.yeah i noticed but some do.......

[Scorpion13]

But I wanted to see Frosty the Iceman and Flame-Throwin' Pyro!

Curses.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

But I wanted to see Frosty the Iceman and Flame-Throwin' Pyro!

Curses.
all i know is that juggernaught looks like a mad max reject


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5392/jugsy1co.jpg

[kalorama]

:rolleyes: to be fair berry wasn't acting diva'ish she really needed more to do.the character deserved more.she was ho hum because what could she do with 3 or 4 lines in a movie?

That's the price she pays for signing up to do an ensemble action film. She was definitely being a diva, a privilege she apparently thought she'd earned after winning an Oscar. James Marsden had much less to do in X2 than Berry did and I don't recall hearing him complain. And his character is much more central to the X-verse than Storm's.

[titanfan]

That's the price she pays for signing up to do an ensemble action film. She was definitely being a diva, a privilege she apparently thought she'd earned after winning an Oscar.

For this movie, I thought that she just said she wouldn't sign on unless she had more to do. Her contract had an out clause and she was going to take it. It's as much the insipid directors/producers fault for not letting her walk than it is for her.

berry was'nt my first choice as storm,but we are stuck with her now.i do think she WANTS to help exspand the character but the writers are'nt giving her any leeway.

I think her interpretation of Storm is wrong. She's comes across as too sweet/nice when playing Storm. Storm should be more confident, more of a badass with a tougher edge.

[kalorama]

For this movie, I thought that she just said she wouldn't sign on unless she had more to do. Her contract had an out clause and she was going to take it. It's as much the insipid directors/producers fault for not letting her walk than it is for her.

THe fact that she made the demand in the first place is what characterizes the Diva-like behavior.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

That's the price she pays for signing up to do an ensemble action film. She was definitely being a diva, a privilege she apparently thought she'd earned after winning an Oscar. James Marsden had much less to do in X2 than Berry did and I don't recall hearing him complain. And his character is much more central to the X-verse than Storm's.apparently hugh is'nt paying the price is he? :rolleyes:

[Ontir]

I think Wolverine is highly over-rated both in the comics, and films. There are more than enough fascinating X-characters to make any number of X-Films work. The thing is, there has to be a story, and probably NOT using the really horrid characters, like Stacy X would be a good start!

I guess it's all academic at this point, until someone manages to get Fox to OK X-Men Begin. :p

[kalorama]

apparently hugh is'nt paying the price is he?

That's the point. Not every character can be the center of attention in an ensemble film. Jackman's character is. That means the rest of them get pushed to the background. Unless she signed on for the first one without reading the script, she had to know going in that Wolverine was the centerpeice character. And the fact is, she probably had a more significant role (among the X-Men) of any character other than Wolverine in X2 and she still wasn't satisfied.

[Ontir]

Uhm... Storm was Waaaaay in the backseat to both Rogue and Jean in X2. It was Rogue for the first part, and then once they hooked up with Magneto, it became Jean's story almost entirely.

Storm blew the church out, had a chat with Nightcrawler, flew the jet, caused some extremely cool tornados, and then ran off to free the kids. I'd really like to see Storm be Storm for once!

[kalorama]

Rogue did almost nothing in X2 other than absorb Pyro's powers and put out a fire. Storm defeated the main threat and basically saved the lives of every human on the planet by freeing Xavier and shutting down Mastermind.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

That's the point. Not every character can be the center of attention in an ensemble film. Jackman's character is. That means the rest of them get pushed to the background. Unless she signed on for the first one without reading the script, she had to know going in that Wolverine was the centerpeice character. And the fact is, she probably had a more significant role (among the X-Men) of any character other than Wolverine in X2 and she still wasn't satisfied.
if jackman's the ceter peice then the movie stops being a ensemble movie.if jackman can be the center peice then so can the other characters.(yeah they can't but my point still remains)

[kalorama]

if jackman's the ceter peice then the movie stops being a ensemble movie.if jackman can be the center peice then so can the other characters.(yeah they can't but my point still remains)

Not really. A movie can certainly have a main character and still be an ensemble.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Not really. A movie can certainly have a main character and still be an ensemble.if you say so.......

[kalorama]

if you say so.......

I believe I just did.

Even a story built around an ensemble needs a protagonist and antagonist. In X-Men, Wolverine was the primary protagonist (Rogue was secondary). As a character new to the X-men's world and the organized mutant struggle, he was the character through whose eyes the audience was intended to view the story. It's basic dramatic structure. But it was still an ensemble piece because of the large number of characters whose interplay was woven into the story. (The same thing applies to Star Wars/Luke Skywalker, among other examples.)

[blackdragon6]

Not really. A movie can certainly have a main character and still be an ensemble.
how so? lol,if there is a MAIN character then i don't see how can it be a ensemble film.unless we're talking litterally here.otherwise i do'nt think so.with that logic any movie that has more than one actor in it is an ensemble movie.a REAL ensemble movie concentrate on everyone involved not just 2 or 3 people.its not impossible i have seen it done before

[blackdragon6]

I believe I just did.

Even a story built around an ensemble needs a protagonist and antagonist.
but it doesn't need a POV,at least not just one POV.

[kalorama]

Even in an ensemble film, not every character carries equal weight. The X-men movies have been more weighted towards Wolverine's character, but the fact that it's not entirely his story (either in term of structure or screen time) and the fact that the movies track the consequences of the stories actions on the other characters makes them ensemble pieces. If you want to deal in semantics, then substitute my previous reference to "main character" "with "primary protagonist" which is what Wolverine is in both pictures.

[kalorama]

a REAL ensemble movie concentrate on everyone involved not just 2 or 3 people.its not impossible i have seen it done before

So have I, but that's a different kind of movie than X-Men. Something like Crash or Short Cuts. Which havenot only multiple characters, but multiple stories. That doesn't apply to X-men. But the structure and make up of the film still qualifies it as an ensemble piece.

[Ontir]

Rogue did almost nothing in X2 other than absorb Pyro's powers and put out a fire. Storm defeated the main threat and basically saved the lives of every human on the planet by freeing Xavier and shutting down Mastermind.


After the attack, Rogue brought Bobby and John together, then got Logan to come with them, putting them in play for the later part of the film. She then lessened the severity of John's "interaction" with the local police, allowing them to get away intact, and without having taken any lives. I'd call that pretty substantial, and a much larger part than anything Storm did. She was the driver, used her powers three times, had a couple of conversations, and spoke the words that wrote her out for the better part of the last third of the film.

[someone777]

Funny sents all I hear from you guys is that Stom are Mis. Berry (I mean I like her as an actor but lately... Well it's hard to say I mean there's CatWoman.) will take centre stage. :mad:

[Norrin Radd]

It would make sense for Bobby to dump Rogue for Kitty....and Rogue to find out she can touch Colossus while he's in steel mode and then have Colossus already having a thing for her and the two ultimately getting together by the end of this flick.

But I don't think that'll happen because it makes too much sense to do it.

[Uncle Nobs]

I'm gong to be an ass and quote myself from the X3 thread on the X-Boards, just to see if anyone here wants to join in the conversation:

DISCLAIMER:
This is going to look like I'm blindly defending X3. I'm not. I'm just seeing posters here (and on other boards) presenting a one-sided view, and it's time to try to have a more balanced discussion.



So considering that we're all going to be overly critical because we are fans of the comics, let's look at the movies with different eyes. Let's see what we really have to complain about. If we accept the film continuity as a retelling and condensing of several classic comic stories, knowing full well that this is a necessary tool in translating comics to film, what's really wrong here?

Forget you know anything about comics. Forget you know anything about Hollywood politics and behind-the-scenes rumors, and take a look at X3 purely as film fans. Let's reexamine the common complaints:




1) "Halle isn't Storm."

We know that. It breaks my heart that we'll never see "the real Ororo", too. But we're not comics fans right now, remember? We'll never see Storm onscreen. We have a different character in the films and we have to accept that.

In the films, she's just been a supporting character so far. And yes, she's been pretty unimpressive so far. So what's wrong with developing her character a bit more? It seems like a reasonable, necessary step in the writing, so that there's some sort of reason for including her at all in the previous films. In X1, she told Logan that each person must choose a side, but she was still learning how to even handle conflict--unable to reconcile her hatred for humans, barely able to keep up in a fight. In X2, she began to learn what it takes to be on the side she had chosen. She had to really own her powers and step up when she was needed. Moreover she learned to take risks based on faith. (I'm not saying it played that well onscreen, but this is the character arc they've given her.) So she's a developing supporting character whose role--logically--should be expanded in X3 to complete her character's development arc. But writing aside, it will come down to whether Halle can pull off a decent performance as Storm, now that she'll have a respectable amount of screen time.




2) "The script sucks."

We really don't know that. We know it's an earthbound version of the Dark Phoenix Saga, with elements of Whedon's "mutant cure" story. I'm not sure I see a problem here, just looking at the film continuity and letting go of my comics knowledge. They've set up the struggle as X-Men vs. Magneto vs. humanity, all leading to an inevitable war. Now, provoked by the introduction of a mutant cure, Magneto has his war. He's also manipulating Jean, not knowing how terribly dangerous that is. There seems to be a strong government response, as the President acts in the nation's defense (possibly with Sentinels) against people who (in X2) almost killed every human on Earth (not to mention destroying several police cars, Air Force jets, and an entire Canadian landscape). Again, I'm not sure I see a problem here. That's a very simple, straightforward story that evolves naturally from what the previous films established.




3) "Too many characters."

People have been complaining about this since the first movie, unable to grasp the concept of an ensemble film. This time, the filmmakers are introducing dozens of new mutants. It's enough to raise an eyebrow at, but look at the reasoning for all the cast additions.

First, we have the new characters who are actually getting screen time: Beast, Angel, Kitty, and Colossus. Beast is introduced as a character with divided loyalties who must make a choice between the X-Men and his career as an advisor to the President. I think that helps to establish the tense climate very effectively. Angel is introduced as a way to establish mutants' feelings toward being "cured", as he is a sympathetic character struggling against his father's bigotry. Kitty, having been in both previous films, simply gets a bit more involved and serves as an innocent (new to the team, new to romance) forced into situations more brutal than she is prepared for. Colossus seems to be a supporting player in this chapter, just as Rogue and Iceman probably are. Which is probably fine. It's just not their chapter. So as an ensemble piece, I don't see any big problems here. Each player serves his/her part in the larger story.

Next, we have the extras--basically the entire Brotherhood. It's war. Magneto recruits dozens of pissed-off mutants. He doesn't care who they are. He just needs bodies. They don't necessarily need big introductions, names, or even lines. All we need to know is that tensions are high and Magneto is going to channel mutants' anger to fuel his war. I don't see the problem.




4) "Ratner sucks."

Maybe. I didn't enjoy the Rush Hour films, but my problem is with the concept of such formulaic comedies, not with the directing. (I also don't find Jackie Chan very entertaining, even though he's a brilliant fight choreographer.) I think Ratner did a great job on Red Dragon. He kept the tone consistent with the previous films and used his actors well. If that's what I have to look forward to with X3, I don't see the problem.




5) "It's so unnecessary to kill (so-and-so)."

Maybe as a comics fan, you find it unnecessary. But as film fans, we have to accept the need to raise the stakes for this sequel. What's wrong with some death if it serves the drama? This is Magneto's inevitable war and Jean's meltdown. I really think this kind of complaint is coming from fans who can't let go of their favorite comics characters.

I love Xavier & Cyke. I even like Marsden. But if their deaths help tell the story, what's to complain about? Xavier has always been set up as a martyr, and I don't think they would kill Cyke unless he plays a pivotal part in Jean's story. I mean, what would be the point? Why kill a character whose death has no impact on the story or emotional gravity for the audience? I think that--despite rumors of Marsden's rushed shooting schedule--we're in for something poignant with Cyke.




6) "The costumes suck."

Yeah, some of them do. My main problem is with Beast's & Colossus' little vests. I think Jean's costume is pretty unoriginal, too. I hope it plays better onscreen than in the promotional photos.

Others, like the Brotherhood, look pretty good to me. They look like pissed-off, disenfranchised criminals who have a bit of that Morlock punk look, as if they're just so friggin' cocky about being mutants.

And of course Anna Paquin seems to rrreeeally enjoy wearing leather, as seen in the promo pieces for both X2 and X3. I have no problem with that.




7) "Beast looks lame."

I have no rebuttal. I hope it plays better onscreen.




8) "That trailer doesn't even come close to looking epic enough to tell a version of the Dark Phoenix Saga."

It's just a teaser trailer. Very little of the film (especially any heavy effects shots) had been completed at the time it was released.




That's all I've got for now. I'll continue to play devil's advocate for as long as the discussion over X3 remains one-sided.

[blackdragon6]

1) "Halle isn't Storm."

We know that. It breaks my heart that we'll never see "the real Ororo", too. But we're not comics fans right now, remember? We'll never see Storm onscreen. We have a different character in the films and we have to accept that.

In the films, she's just been a supporting character so far. And yes, she's been pretty unimpressive so far. So what's wrong with developing her character a bit more? It seems like a reasonable, necessary step in the writing, so that there's some sort of reason for including her at all in the previous films. In X1, she told Logan that each person must choose a side, but she was still learning how to even handle conflict--unable to reconcile her hatred for humans, barely able to keep up in a fight. In X2, she began to learn what it takes to be on the side she had chosen. She had to really own her powers and step up when she was needed. Moreover she learned to take risks based on faith. (I'm not saying it played that well onscreen, but this is the character arc they've given her.) So she's a developing supporting character whose role--logically--should be expanded in X3 to complete her character's development arc. But writing aside, it will come down to whether Halle can pull off a decent performance as Storm, now that she'll have a respectable amount of screen time. my thoughts exactly

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Beast is introduced as a character with divided loyalties who must make a choice between the X-Men and his career as an advisor to the President. I think that helps to establish the tense climate very effectively. ah... so it is true he is playing a "uncle tom" lol (at least thats what he comes across as to my sister).i'm glad this angle is being played tho.he's the quasi-clarence thomas of the x-films.







That's all I've got for now. I'll continue to play devil's advocate for as long as the discussion over X3 remains one-sided.
to be fair this argument was'nt really one sided (the storm debate is a different story tho).for the most part people HERE on the film boards was pretty much dissagreeing and agreeing on completly different things.so our likes and dislikes are not all in unisone.

[Ontir]

When I walk down the hall, toward the stairs in my apartment building, I face a billboard of Rogue. (A few years ago, I had to look at Richard Gere's nostril on the "Unfaithful" billboard - for MONTHS!) While it's cool, I'm filled with dread for this new film. Thus far, I'm not seeing anything, beyond the picture of Grammer as the blue, furry Beast in a business suit, that looks at all promising.

[blackdragon6]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3888

[Uncle Nobs]

After reading the whole SuperHeroHype article, it seems to me like the cast & crew have a lot of confidence in X3--more than just the typical pre-release hype blather.

Sounds like they're putting together a very strong story, but they could have planned and controlled the previously leaked info better. It just seems like they needed to learn from previous superhero movies that the only images that can slip out have to be perfect, taken from the film and not just test shots and leaked on-set shots.

[blackdragon6]

the only thing that concerned me was the story,everything else was secondary

[hulahulk]

I think this one will be better compared to X2 as X2 was to the first movie.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I think this one will be better compared to X2 as X2 was to the first movie.it has potential to be,but i do have my fingers crossed.


i am pissed however that the film won't even acknowledge nightcrawler,they could at least make reference to him being in europe or SOMETHING!

[hulahulk]

it has potential to be,but i do have my fingers crossed.


i am pissed however that the film won't even acknowledge nightcrawler,they could at least make reference to him being in europe or SOMETHING!

I agree about Nightcrawler. He was the best surprise of X2! Pyro was good too, but Nightcrawler rocked.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I agree about Nightcrawler. He was the best surprise of X2! Pyro was good too, but Nightcrawler rocked.they didn't bring him back because they said the character was expensive to make (so they say).and i'm thinking what the hell was the blue paint made of, blue 24 karat gold? sheesh :rolleyes:

[Grant]

they didn't bring him back because they said the character was expensive to make (so they say).and i'm thinking what the hell was the blue paint made of, blue 24 karat gold? sheesh :rolleyes:

I never heard that rumour. I assume they dropped him because they couldn't fit him into the story and not to confuse him with Beast.

And Nightcrawler never joined the X-Men at the end of X2 (he's the only one not wearing a uniform at the end). If they needed to drop a character he makes the most sense.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I never heard that rumour. I assume they dropped him because they couldn't fit him into the story and not to confuse him with Beast.

.true,but some of the producers also added to the fact he was exspensive to work with.but like i said the only thing i wanted personally was a reference.and we don't even get that

[kalorama]

true,but some of the producers also added to the fact he was exspensive to work with.but like i said the only thing i wanted personally was a reference.and we don't even get that

Given the film's budget and the number of characters requiring effects, it seems pretty unlikely that the actual cost of of creating the character on film played any significant part in Nightcrawler's absence. I do recall, during the publicity blitz following X2's release, that Cumming did a notable amount of pissing and complaining about how much trouble and uncomfortable the makeup process was.

[Grant]

true,but some of the producers also added to the fact he was exspensive to work with.but like i said the only thing i wanted personally was a reference.and we don't even get that

Have you see the movie? How do you know they don't reference him?

He probably is expensive. Why pay for another actor if they don't think he's necessary to the story. They have to accomadate enough characters already.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Have you see the movie? How do you know they don't reference him?
.
one of the poducers said so in the link that was just given.........as a matter of fact

Q: Nightcrawler's not back, do you address that?

Gorder: No we don't, and it's not really necessary in the story that we have. We would have liked to have had Nightcrawler back but, there's certain trade -offs that you take with a story, and Nightcrawler's an expensive character, prosthetic makeup wise, and also visual effects wise and so if you're going to have a character like Nightcrawler, you want to have a story arc that justifies that expense. And you also want to make the actor happy that he has a significant role to don the makeup and the effects, and do the stunt work and that sort of thing. So we just had so many other characters that we wanted to try to get in and introduce, that were new, that we will probably leave that open and bring him back in some other sequel.

i mean i understand they couldn't fit him in story wise,but damn no reference? c'mon its like the little girl from full house who went up to her room and never camed back.and noone bothered to explain why.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I do recall, during the publicity blitz following X2's release, that Cumming did a notable amount of pissing and complaining about how much trouble and uncomfortable the makeup process was.
yeah that too...

[Grant]

one of the poducers said so in the link that was just given.........as a matter of fact

i mean i understand they couldn't fit him in story wise,but damn no reference? c'mon its like the little girl from full house who went up to her room and never camed back.and noone bothered to explain why.

I still don't see it as a big deal. As I said before he wasn't an official member of the team he was basically along for the ride in X2. Nightcrawler could have went off and traveled with the circus for all we know. Why do they need to address him anyways? My feeling is a lot of characters come and go from the X-Men. Heck apparently Beast was the first X-Men and no one referenced him in the first two movies (no I'm not counting his tv appearance in X2).

Honestly if he's not essential to the story they should cut him out. They have to deal with enough characters already. I rather have no Nightcrawler then have him reduced to being a stand in. I think the producers made the right call. And they said if they make a future X-Men movie the door is always open for him to come back.

[Grant]

Given the film's budget and the number of characters requiring effects, it seems pretty unlikely that the actual cost of of creating the character on film played any significant part in Nightcrawler's absence. I do recall, during the publicity blitz following X2's release, that Cumming did a notable amount of pissing and complaining about how much trouble and uncomfortable the makeup process was.

Honestly I think it is the budget.We're getting a lot of stuff in this movie. Danger Room, more Colossus, Dark Phoenix, maybe the Sentinels, Angel, Beast, Juggernaut and a whole lot more mutants. Plus a good chunk of the actors from the first two movies. They need to cut corners where they can and Nightcrawler seems like an easy cut to me. He wasn't a member of the team, his story was resolved in the last movie and he doesn't strike me as necessary for this one.

Pissing about the makeup doesn't strike me as enough to cut him out of the movie. Halle Berry was a bigger pain to deal with and they brought her back. I'm sure if he got offered the money to do it again he would.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Honestly I think it is the budget.We're getting a lot of stuff in this movie. Danger Room, more Colossus, Dark Phoenix, maybe the Sentinels, Angel, Beast, Juggernaut and a whole lot more mutants. Plus a good chunk of the actors from the first two movies. They need to cut corners where they can and Nightcrawler seems like an easy cut to me. He wasn't a member of the team, his story was resolved in the last movie and he doesn't strike me as necessary for this one.

Pissing about the makeup doesn't strike me as enough to cut him out of the movie. Halle Berry was a bigger pain to deal with and they brought her back. I'm sure if he got offered the money to do it again he would.DAMN IT GRANT i don't mean they should have him in the movie.all i'm saying is that they should at least let us know something.hell i'll be happy if proffesor-x says kurt is taking a verry long shit than for them to say nothing at all.

[Grant]

DAMN IT GRANT i don't mean they should have him in the movie.all i'm saying is that they should at least let us know something.hell i'll be happy if proffesor-x says kurt is taking a verry long shit than for them to say nothing at all.

I get what you're saying. I just don't think it's all that necessary. It would not hurt the move if they made no mention of what Nightcrawler is up to.

[kalorama]

Honestly I think it is the budget.We're getting a lot of stuff in this movie. Danger Room, more Colossus, Dark Phoenix, maybe the Sentinels, Angel, Beast, Juggernaut and a whole lot more mutants. Plus a good chunk of the actors from the first two movies. They need to cut corners where they can and Nightcrawler seems like an easy cut to me. He wasn't a member of the team, his story was resolved in the last movie and he doesn't strike me as necessary for this one.

Pissing about the makeup doesn't strike me as enough to cut him out of the movie. Halle Berry was a bigger pain to deal with and they brought her back. I'm sure if he got offered the money to do it again he would.

Halle Berry's a well-known, high-profile Academy Award winner. Alan Cumming isn't. And this:

Q: Nightcrawler's not back, do you address that?

Gorder: No we don't, and it's not really necessary in the story that we have. We would have liked to have had Nightcrawler back but, there's certain trade -offs that you take with a story, and Nightcrawler's an expensive character, prosthetic makeup wise, and also visual effects wise and so if you're going to have a character like Nightcrawler, you want to have a story arc that justifies that expense. And you also want to make the actor happy that he has a significant role to don the makeup and the effects, and do the stunt work and that sort of thing. So we just had so many other characters that we wanted to try to get in and introduce, that were new, that we will probably leave that open and bring him back in some other sequel.

Pretty well implies that Cumming's feelings about the makeup were factored in. Basically there wouldn't have been a role that made it worthwhile for him to go through a process that he was clearly (and vocally) unhappy with. (And, by extension, it probably wasn't worth the filmmaker's while to have to deal with his unhappiness.) If it was solely an issue of cost, there almost certainly would have been other things they could have changed that would have saved them more money than getting rid of a popular character like Nightcrawler.

[Grant]

Halle Berry's a well-known, high-profile Academy Award winner. Alan Cumming isn't. And this:

True but the character was pretty popular. And honestly despite his gripping about the makeup and his issues with Bryan Singer I think Cumming seemed pretty enthusiastic about being in the movie. He seemed to be looking forward to being in the next one and working with a new director in this interview (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/583/583812p1.html) from a year ago.

Pretty well implies that Cumming's feelings about the makeup were factored in. Basically there wouldn't have been a role that made it worthwhile for him to go through a process that he was clearly (and vocally) unhappy with.

Well yeah. Not too many actors in Cummings league would be happy about spending eight hours in a makeup chair to do a walk on role. But hey if Nightcrawler had a a decent role I'm sure Cumming would come back.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

s:



Pretty well implies that Cumming's feelings about the makeup were factored in. Basically there wouldn't have been a role that made it worthwhile for him to go through a process that he was clearly (and vocally) unhappy with. (And, by extension, it probably wasn't worth the filmmaker's while to have to deal with his unhappiness.) If it was solely an issue of cost, there almost certainly would have been other things they could have changed that would have saved them more money than getting rid of a popular character like Nightcrawler.
IF alan comes back for the 4th one i wonder will he go thru the fx process.or will they cast a different actor?

[Grant]

If it was solely an issue of cost, there almost certainly would have been other things they could have changed that would have saved them more money than getting rid of a popular character like Nightcrawler.

It's not solely an issue of cost. They probably didn't have room for him in the story. They've got Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Wolverine, Storm, Xavier, Jean, Colossus, Kitty Pryde and Rogue in this movie. And that's just the X-Men. That doesn't even cover all the supporting characters and bad guys that are in this movie.That's too many characters already. People already complain that few of these characters get decent screen time.

[blackdragon6]

they have cyclops but i doubt he plays any real significance.if i was marsden i wouldn't even have showed up.one thing that still bugs me is how marsden decided to work on superman knowing he had to return for X3.(yeah i know its probably the studio's doing)

[blackdragon6]

c'mon its like the little girl from full house who went up to her room and never camed back.and noone bothered to explain why.
you mean family matters...

[kalorama]

It's not solely an issue of cost.

I know it's not. That's why I said:


Given the film's budget and the number of characters requiring effects, it seems pretty unlikely that the actual cost of of creating the character on film played any significant part in Nightcrawler's absence.

[cable guy]

I think this one will be better compared to X2 as X2 was to the first movie.

I hope you're right.

[blackdragon6]

well the trailer does look emotional.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i'll admit the trailer does look dramatic.but trailers can be missleading as hell.

[KenK]

they have cyclops but i doubt he plays any real significance.if i was marsden i wouldn't even have showed up.one thing that still bugs me is how marsden decided to work on superman knowing he had to return for X3.(yeah i know its probably the studio's doing)

I think he opted to do Superman Returns knowing the studio was giving the character the shaft. The films have hardly established his character beyond background noise. It's about the only major gripe I've had with the X-Men films. The Storm issues never bother me, because I'm not that partial to the character anyway. But Cyclops is supposed to be the leader. Sure, there have been different leaders in the comics from time to time, but Cyclops is, well he's CYCLOPS, DAMMIT!! As important as they've made Jean's character, especially with her rebirth in the new movie, you'd think that'd be enough incentive to beef up Cyclops as a character. Anything Phoenix related is pointless without a major inclusion of Cyclops, as far as I'm concerned.

[blackdragon6]

you'd think that'd be enough incentive to beef up Cyclops as a character. .
this would interfere with the wolverine show.but i had problems with the way they treated both cyclops and storm.hell wolverine is the most developed character of the whole damn team.INCLUDING XAVIER!,now i understand the pupose of these spin off movies.

[sgt.candy]

im in love...dania ramirez, who is playing callisto....

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

im in love...dania ramirez, who is playing callisto....meh she's........ok

[paki]

where is Omega Red?

i heard that he was in this movie and Vincent Murdaco was playing him

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

this would interfere with the wolverine show.but i had problems with the way they treated both cyclops and storm.hell wolverine is the most developed character of the whole damn team.INCLUDING XAVIER!,now i understand the pupose of these spin off movies.its kinda like pushing captain picard,and riker in the back ground so DATA could become the captain of the starship interprise.it shouldn't be done no matter HOW POPULAR DATA IS.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

where is Omega Red?

i heard that he was in this movie and Vincent Murdaco was playing him :confused: news to me.but i'll go check it out

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

where is Omega Red?

i heard that he was in this movie and Vincent Murdaco was playing himwell acording to imdb he's in there,as to whats his purpose i have no idea.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

also has anyone else noticed how hard it seems for the movies to really develop certain characters? It seems to be a fine line - balancing the expectations of hardcore comic fans with the need to keep everyday movie-goers from not getting overwhelmed. I mean, Scrambler is another cool character, so is Callisto, and they will be background scenery for Magneto of all people. I would love to see the morlock's massacre played out (and some of the other great '80s storylines), but I understand why the movies need to be independant from the books' storylines.

[blackdragon6]

they're gonna show the X3 trailer during 24 tonight

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

a few added scenes to the original trailer,everything is still kinda vague though.probably because the film is still in post production and probably will stay that way up untill the last few weeks like X2.

[sgt.candy]

meh she's........ok

its cause shes from the same country as me. so im biased

[Grant]

The trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/) is up at Apple. It looks like it will have some fun moments even if the story seems a all over the map. I really dig the Juggernaut/Kitty Pryde chase and the Beast/Leech shot.

[smartalek]

I can't wait for the final showdown. The brotherhood/murlocks gang far outgun the Xmen. Wolverine looks to be tearing into some hobo looking guy. Heh. Can't wait.

[Uncle Nobs]

The trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/) is up at Apple. It looks like it will have some fun moments even if the story seems a all over the map. I really dig the Juggernaut/Kitty Pryde chase and the Beast/Leech shot.
I don't think the story is that complicated. Or rather, it's as complicated as it should be.

The first two movies set up a war and left us with the mystery of Jean's exponentially growing powers and her death. Now, a cure provokes the inevitable war between the US government, the X-Men, and the Brotherhood. It also provokes Jean's return. Magneto, of course, uses her for his own agenda, having no idea how dangerous it is.

Not to sound too snotty, but that's pretty straightforward to me.

[Peter]

What really frightens me is that the story -- at least, the hints of it from the trailer -- seem to follow that script that was leaked a few months back, the script that was really lame.

On the other hand, I squealed every time Bobby was on the screen. He seems to have a bigger role this time, and definitely looks like he gets to kick a little ass, so I'm definitely down with that.

I'll go see this movie for Iceman, quite frankly. If it sucks, eh, I still got Iceman, and if it's better than I think it will be, bonus.

[Origami]

I think he opted to do Superman Returns knowing the studio was giving the character the shaft. The films have hardly established his character beyond background noise. It's about the only major gripe I've had with the X-Men films. The Storm issues never bother me, because I'm not that partial to the character anyway. But Cyclops is supposed to be the leader. Sure, there have been different leaders in the comics from time to time, but Cyclops is, well he's CYCLOPS, DAMMIT!! As important as they've made Jean's character, especially with her rebirth in the new movie, you'd think that'd be enough incentive to beef up Cyclops as a character. Anything Phoenix related is pointless without a major inclusion of Cyclops, as far as I'm concerned.

Marster was a lame choice as Cyclops. They should have gotten a better actor.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

The trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/) is up at Apple. It looks like it will have some fun moments even if the story seems a all over the map..
i think the story should have really been worked on.the movie might be good to watch with the drama and action.but the story still seems like a convuluted mess.........just like the comics actually

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

What really frightens me is that the story -- at least, the hints of it from the trailer -- seem to follow that script that was leaked a few months back, the script that was really lame.

exactly,i don't think it was changed that drasticly like they say it was.and that script needed major reworking.and they don't have time to re do it while they're filming.they probably have but like i said i doubt its anything drastic.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Marster was a lame choice as Cyclops. They should have gotten a better actor.
i felt that they made that choice because they didn't wan't another imposing male character next to wolverine.


well thats my theory anyway.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

The trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/) it won't work for me for some reason.

[KenK]

Marster was a lame choice as Cyclops. They should have gotten a better actor.

He's about the only actor next to Stewart who already looked like his character. And I always though what little they gave him to do, he pulled it off perfectly. All his "Jean, NOOO!!!" moments were great. That's half the character of Cyclops right there!

[blackdragon6]

it won't work for me for some reason.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=iXjNFwVW8aU

[hulahulk]

The movie comes out on my birthday. This will rock.

[Captain Trips]

I've heard all the reports about how bad the screenplay is as well as the mention of significant deaths (and I am pretty sure I know who that refers to). But other than that, I am trying to stay away from the spoilers and go into the movie with an open mind about how good it will be. I have to say that using that logic, the trailer was pretty good. It makes me think the film has serious potential.

[anthony!]

Anyone whose seen both trailers, and knows the Dark Phoenix story should easily be able to tell that MULTIPLE characters either die or make vague mysterious/nebulous "exits" from the series.

If you're Cyclops, Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Jean Grey...I'd be watching my back, cuz you're all up for grabs.

Cyclops' glasses floating in the air alone? Professor X's empty wheel chair just after a shot of Phoenix lifting him up? Jean Grey beggin for death? It's like we've already seen the movie!

[Krichton]

i felt that they made that choice because they didn't wan't another imposing male character next to wolverine.


well thats my theory anyway.

Well it is after all his movie.



Marster was a lame choice as Cyclops. They should have gotten a better actor.

Like that would have mattered.

[Krichton]

The trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/) is up at Apple. It looks like it will have some fun moments even if the story seems a all over the map. I really dig the Juggernaut/Kitty Pryde chase and the Beast/Leech shot.

It looks like a giant penis is chasing her.

[Uncle Nobs]

What really frightens me is that the story -- at least, the hints of it from the trailer -- seem to follow that script that was leaked a few months back, the script that was really lame.
Keep in mind that we never saw the script for ourselves. We just got the impressions it made on one anonymous nobody. Under those circumstances, ANY leaked script can sound lame.

Reading screenplays is not like reading books or comics. A lot is left undefined because the screenwriter is writing it for the people he/she is working with--people who already understand the tone of the project. Moreover, even the final script is going to be revised over and over and over again--often even while a scene is being shot.

When I read that early report on the leaked script, I knew the details were correct, but the person who reported it very clearly was: A) not experienced at filtering information in the way that is needed when reading a screenplay, and B) VERY, VERY biased.

As far as I'm concerned, that early report is useless fan drivel, even though the script was genuine.

[Uncle Nobs]

And I always though what little they gave him to do, he pulled it off perfectly. All his "Jean, NOOO!!!" moments were great. That's half the character of Cyclops right there!
Exactly.

The gripe I hear from fans isn't so much that he played it poorly or that he was miscast. Instead, what I hear is the same gripe that anyone has with Cyclops: "He's too uptight. An actor can't emote with hald his face covered. A character wearing sunglasses the whole time looks like a total jackass."

Guess what? That's Cyke.

Control freak. Uptight. Sans humor. All business. Stressed out. Only cares about protecting the people he loves.

I think Marsden was perfect in both movies so far (especially Jean's death scenes!), but the filmmakers needed to get audiences to understand why he's such an uptight prick. Marsden did what he could (very well, in my opinion), but without the scenes needed to get audiences on his side, it was tough.

They just needed a couple quick lines per movie where his vulnerabilities are revealed. Something like Jean tenderly telling him to back down in a situation, that he doesn't need to protect them right now. Then later, a quick shot where he's watching an anti-mutant demonstration on TV and mumbles, "They won't stop until we're all dead or in camps." By X2, all we would have needed would be a quick reminder. A character could make a crack about him having a stick up his ass and Logan could say, "You want the guy with a cannon for a head to lighten up, get emotional, lose control a little? Me, I'm ready to gut him if he even begins to slip."

[kalorama]

This second trailer really ups my interest for the film. Gives us a real sense of the tension and the stakes.

[Godbuns]

Just seen the trailer and i must say Juggernaut looks like a TOOL, whats with the costume is he on a budget ?, looks like a cheap imatation Shao Khan...didnt know bondage gear made you a villan. Personally i think if the cant do the character properly they should leave them out till they can. Beast also is pretty bad, since when did the xmen start bringing in muppets? The last person i have a gripe with in the XMEN movies would have to be grandpa Magneto, i would much prefer someone who looked closer to Jim Lee's Magneto seasoned but strong the current guy looks way to frail. All that aside im still looking forward to the movie , just rethink some of the cast and costumes.

[kalorama]

The movie comes out on my birthday.

Same here.

[mattx110]

who's the shmuck in the halter and mesh top and the spit curl? i mean, umm... that can'tbe right, can it? do they think that'll work? i can't think of any comic character dressed like that and 2 or 3 who have the powers that would make sense, but nobody dressed like that, help. http://images.comicbookresources.com/reel/x3_trailer/xmen3laststand23.jpg
edit: here's a link to the cbr pic, someone help me out, this is driving me nuts :D plus, this is the guy that replaced gambit? sheesh

[Peter]

Anyone whose seen both trailers, and knows the Dark Phoenix story should easily be able to tell that MULTIPLE characters either die or make vague mysterious/nebulous "exits" from the series.

If you're Cyclops, Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Jean Grey...I'd be watching my back, cuz you're all up for grabs.

Of course, they are *Marvel* heroes, so it's not like it matters much anyway :p .

[Peter]

Keep in mind that we never saw the script for ourselves. We just got the impressions it made on one anonymous nobody. Under those circumstances, ANY leaked script can sound lame.

Reading screenplays is not like reading books or comics. A lot is left undefined because the screenwriter is writing it for the people he/she is working with--people who already understand the tone of the project. Moreover, even the final script is going to be revised over and over and over again--often even while a scene is being shot.

Which is fair enough, but bad dialogue and a nonsensical story aren't going to change because of the nature of the reviewer, those things will be there regardless of who passes them on or his/her interpretation of them.

I'm still a little worried. Correction -- Iceman aside, I'm a little worried.

[Grant]

I don't think the story is that complicated. Or rather, it's as complicated as it should be.

The first two movies set up a war and left us with the mystery of Jean's exponentially growing powers and her death. Now, a cure provokes the inevitable war between the US government, the X-Men, and the Brotherhood. It also provokes Jean's return. Magneto, of course, uses her for his own agenda, having no idea how dangerous it is.

Not to sound too snotty, but that's pretty straightforward to me.

I never said it was complicated I'm just saying there's a lot of stuff in this movie. It's possible it could work.

[whataffairyouwant]

Here's some pics on X3.

Here's one.

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL759/4214959/8831182/132305372.jpg

And here's te other.

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL759/4214959/8831182/132305370.jpg

[xakko]

I think Marsden was perfect in both movies so far (especially Jean's death scenes!), but the filmmakers needed to get audiences to understand why he's such an uptight prick. Marsden did what he could (very well, in my opinion), but without the scenes needed to get audiences on his side, it was tough. "
I haven't had much of a problem with Marsden's portrayal.

I had a problem with his leadership skills been downplayed, and the scene in X2 where they borrow his car, and some boy band CD is playing. That was a complete and utter BS move by Singer to emasculate the character and garner a cheap laugh.

And the "nice" gesture by Logan- that Jean had chosen Scott? Was he trying to get an optic blast across the skull? Do you really say that to a guy who just lost his girlfriend?

[kalorama]

Which is fair enough, but bad dialogue and a nonsensical story aren't going to change because of the nature of the reviewer, those things will be there regardless of who passes them on or his/her interpretation of them.

It has nothing to do with the nature of the reviewer and everything to do with the nature of the process. If you compare the "final" draft of any screenplay (done prior to shooting beginning) with the actual finished film, there will inevitably be major differences/changes in tone, dialogue, pacing, story, basically everything. A review of a leaked script done well before filming even starts really says very little of consequence about how the final film will turn out.

[KenK]

It has nothing to do with the nature of the reviewer and everything to do with the nature of the process. If you compare the "final" draft of any screenplay (done prior to shooting beginning) with the actual finished film, there will inevitably be major differences/changes in tone, dialogue, pacing, story, basically everything. A review of a leaked script done well before filming even starts really says very little of consequence about how the final film will turn out.

To say nothing of the fact that this was before even Vaughn was attached to direct. His involvement in the film seems to have led to the casting of Vinnie joins, just as surely as Ratner may have led to the casting of some of his regulars who have appeared in his other films. The right director can take a less than perfect script and make a good, if not great film.

[hulahulk]

Same here.

Ohhhh, yeah! Happy Birthday in advance. Everyone - MARK YOUR CALENDARS!!!!!:D

[Uncle Nobs]

Which is fair enough, but bad dialogue and a nonsensical story aren't going to change because of the nature of the reviewer, those things will be there regardless of who passes them on or his/her interpretation of them.

I'm still a little worried. Correction -- Iceman aside, I'm a little worried.
I disagree. "Bad" dialogue and a "nonsensical" story are exactly the kinds of things a poor script reader can misinterpret.

If they don't understand the tone of the project--or worse: if they doubt the tone of the project--they'll interpret the dialogue as being cheesy and ridiculous. Likewise, if they expect a certain plot or if they simply can't distinguish between minor expository scenes or major dramatic scenes, they'll view the plot as being messy. Just think about how they interpreted Warren's father as the major adversary in the movie, when that was clearly not the case.

Can you imagine such a reviewer in 1976 reading an early leaked script of 'Star Wars: A New Hope'? They would have fell over laughing and then tore Lucas apart.

[Peter]

I disagree. "Bad" dialogue and a "nonsensical" story are exactly the kinds of things a poor script reader can misinterpret.

"Do you know what happens to a toad when struck by lightning?"

If a reviewer mocked that infamous line from the first film *before* seeing the final version, they'd still have been completely right, because that was just bad. If a story is unoriginal or doesn't make sense, the nature of the review(er) is completely irrelevant, because that person and his or her biases will not change the cold hard facts of a screenplay-being-used.


If they don't understand the tone of the project--or worse: if they doubt the tone of the project--they'll interpret the dialogue as being cheesy and ridiculous.

And sometimes it just is cheesy and ridiculous, and interpretations don't matter. Again, I point to the "lightning" line -- no interpretation of that line will change the fact that it's just a cheesy and ridiculous thing to say.

Just think about how they interpreted Warren's father as the major adversary in the movie, when that was clearly not the case.

Hh. Don't remember that at all.

Can you imagine such a reviewer in 1976 reading an early leaked script of 'Star Wars: A New Hope'? They would have fell over laughing and then tore Lucas apart.

And, as episodes 2 and 3 explicitly show us (in embarrasingly graphic detail), Lucas can't write to save his life. Ergo I can totally see that happening and that criticism would have been entirely warranted.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Which is fair enough, but bad dialogue and a nonsensical story aren't going to change because of the nature of the reviewer,.or the tone of the movie for that matter.

[Uncle Nobs]

"Do you know what happens to a toad when struck by lightning?"

If a reviewer mocked that infamous line from the first film *before* seeing the final version, they'd still have been completely right, because that was just bad. If a story is unoriginal or doesn't make sense, the nature of the review(er) is completely irrelevant, because that person and his or her biases will not change the cold hard facts of a screenplay-being-used.

And sometimes it just is cheesy and ridiculous, and interpretations don't matter. Again, I point to the "lightning" line -- no interpretation of that line will change the fact that it's just a cheesy and ridiculous thing to say.
This is actually a perfect example in support of my argument. That's obviously one of the more painful scenes to watch in the first movie, but if you know how it happened, you'd be less inclined to criticize the line itself and instead direct your derision toward Halle Berry & Bryan Singer.

The line was written by Joss Whedon to be delivered with a bunch of ominous build-up, as Storm seems really pissed and we're not sure what the hell she's going to do to this little bastard that keeps kicking the crap out of her friends. So she builds up all this energy and says, "Do you know what happens when a Toad gets struck by lightning?"

And here's where Halle & Bryan Singer blew it. Because after she fries him, she was supposed to shrug or shake her head at him, dropping the "The same thing that happens to everything else" line as if she's saying, "Duh," and then walk away, happy to be done with him, seemingly thinking to herself, "What a moron." It was meant to be delivered very sarcastically, very Buffy-esque, as if things had just gotten too heavy and she just wanted the little turd out of her way.

Instead, she and Bryan kept up the same ominous tone and we were left with a line that made us go, "What the hell was that supposed to be about?!"

So even if you can't picture the line working in the way it was meant to be delivered, this clearly demonstrates how interpretation is everything with a script. If it had been delivered correctly, at best, it would have been a funny break in what was getting to be a heavy-handed scene. At worst, it would have been a poorly timed glib moment or a joke that fell flat.

But it wouldn't have been that awful moment that gave all of us the embarrassment chills. Why in the world did Bryan keep that take? Why couldn't Halle or Bryan get it right? Joss explained how horrified he was at length in an interview or two.


And, as episodes 2 and 3 explicitly show us (in embarrasingly graphic detail), Lucas can't write to save his life. Ergo I can totally see that happening and that criticism would have been entirely warranted.
Lucas can't write now. Lucas could write beautifully in the 70s & 80s, albeit with the sensibilities of a modern fairy tale. The scripts for the original trilogy worked beautifully, but if someone had snuck a peak at them without understanding the project, they would seem worse than the most childish B-movie.

[kalorama]

or the tone of the movie for that matter.

But you can't accurately interpret the tone of the movie from an unfilmed unrevised script. Much of the actual tone is a product of what the director and actors do during the filming process.

[KenK]

But you can't accurately interpret the tone of the movie from an unfilmed unrevised script. Much of the actual tone is a product of what the director and actors do during the filming process.

The Blade movies are a perfect example of this. Norrington and Del Tero set very distinct tones for their respective Blade films, whereas Goyer, working from his own script, failed to make something comparable in quality, despite having been the screenwriter of all three films.

[blackdragon6]

The Blade movies are a perfect example of this. Norrington and Del Tero set very distinct tones for their respective Blade films, whereas Goyer, working from his own script, failed to make something comparable in quality, despite having been the screenwriter of all three films.but norrington,and del toro made up for so so script with great action,plus snipes became the character.but never the less the blade movies aren't really big on plot.from what i get from rattner is that he's just gonna make it mellow dramatic with lots of action.not that its a bad thing but it doesn't take away from the fact that the script is bad. its just that its well hidden under the bells and whistles.

[kalorama]

but norrington,and del toro made up for so so script with great action,plus snipes became the character.but never the less the blade movies aren't really big on plot.from what i get from rattner is that he's just gonna make it mellow dramatic with lots of action.not that its a bad thing but it doesn't take away from the fact that the script is bad. its just that its well hidden under the bells and whistles.

Good acting and directing aren't just bells and whistles. Filmmaking is a collaborative process involving a myriad numberr of parts. And part of the function of a collaboration is for certain parts to enhance the strengths of others while covering up for weaknesses. Good movies can and frequently are made from less than great scripts, just like bad movies are often made from good scripts. The fact that someone looked at the script months before the movie even started shooting and declared if "bad" says nothing about the likely quality of the finished movie.

Would you look at the preproduction set designs or costume designs and make a preemptive judgement about how good the movie will be?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I had a problem with his leadership skills been downplayed, and the scene in X2 where they borrow his car, and some boy band CD is playing. That was a complete and utter BS move by Singer to emasculate the character and garner a cheap laugh.

That wasn't a CD, that was supposed to be the radio, which they immediately turned off and tried to turn on the CD player, which accidentally opened up the secret compartment for the X-Phone.....I just re-watched the movie a couple hours ago so my memory of that scene is pretty fresh.

[xakko]

That wasn't a CD, that was supposed to be the radio, which they immediately turned off and tried to turn on the CD player, which accidentally opened up the secret compartment for the X-Phone.....I just re-watched the movie a couple hours ago so my memory of that scene is pretty fresh.
ah, I remembered it as the opposite- trying to shut off the cd player by turning on the radio... either way, could you see Scott Summers listening to a pop radio station? Possibly oldies... mostly likely jazz. I still feel he would've had the audiobook of "Art of War" in there.

[kalorama]

ah, I remembered it as the opposite- trying to shut off the cd player by turning on the radio... either way, could you see Scott Summers listening to a pop radio station? Possibly oldies... mostly likely jazz. I still feel he would've had the audiobook of "Art of War" in there.

It was pretty clear from his wardrobe in the museum scene that they were trying to paint Scott as a style-deficient geek. So the boy band music would go right in step.

[blackdragon6]

It was pretty clear from his wardrobe in the museum scene that they were trying to paint Scott as a style-deficient geek. So the boy band music would go right in step.i don't see that in scott,what i see is a ivy league-esqu no none sense leader

[kalorama]

i don't see that in scott,what i see is a ivy league-esqu no none sense leader

I fail to see where his being a no-nonsense leader is at odds with him being a square nerd.

Check out his "normal" wardrobe in both of the X-Men films. It's very obviously intended to get across the idea that he's extremely unhip and style challenged.

[stealthwise]

That wasn't a CD, that was supposed to be the radio, which they immediately turned off and tried to turn on the CD player, which accidentally opened up the secret compartment for the X-Phone.....I just re-watched the movie a couple hours ago so my memory of that scene is pretty fresh.

The impression that I got was that it was a CD and they were trying to either shut it off or turn on the radio. I read it as a dig at Cyclops, who was incredibly lame in the movie, the cartoons and the comics. :)

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

the thing i noticed about the new trailer is that it shows alot while showing nothing.i really can't wait for this movie to see if it will succeed or crash and burn.

[Magneto_X]

IMO X3 will have a decent first week, maybe making $20-40 million, then it'll drop off completely due to the media reviews and word-of-mouth working against it.

What's the budget anyway?

[kalorama]

the thing i noticed about the new trailer is that it shows alot while showing nothing.

The same can be said for almost any movie trailer (excluding the ones that stupidly give away the ending).

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

(excluding the ones that stupidly give away the ending).
don't even get me started.

[KenK]

IMO X3 will have a decent first week, maybe making $20-40 million, then it'll drop off completely due to the media reviews and word-of-mouth working against it.

What's the budget anyway?

Are you kidding? X2 made 85 million its first weekend! Even the first film made 55 mill its first weekend. You honestly believe it won't make more than 40 million on Memorial Day Weekend, no less?

[blackdragon6]

Are you kidding? X2 made 85 million its first weekend! Even the first film made 55 mill its first weekend. You honestly believe it won't make more than 40 million on Memorial Day Weekend, no less?i think it'll do as good as X2 but no better.people have a tendency to over exaggerate box office predictoions (king kong,and batman being two of them)

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

LOL i remember when people said batman begins was gonna make 500 mill DOMESTICALLY!!,but obviously that never happened.people seem to have the same expectations for superman returns.

[Magneto_X]

i think it'll do as good as X2 but no better.people have a tendency to over exaggerate box office predictoions (king kong,and batman being two of them)

Once word of mouth gets around that X3 sucks the first week is *all* the best money it will bring in. Then its sales will nose-dive quickly.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Once word of mouth gets around that X3 sucks the first week is *all* the best money it will bring in. Then its sales will nose-dive quickly.
the box office is verry unpredictable,anything could happen.fantastic 4 is evidence of that lol

[smartalek]

Once word of mouth gets around that X3 sucks the first week is *all* the best money it will bring in. Then its sales will nose-dive quickly.

You may be looking at it from a Comicbook/xmen fan's perspective, if it is good or "sucks". What matters to the boxoffice is what the mainstream audience thinks of the movie. Most of the negative feedback comes from very biased sources, that have not actually seen the film.

[blackdragon6]

You may be looking at it from a Comicbook/xmen fan's perspective, if it is good or "sucks". What matters to the boxoffice is what the mainstream audience thinks of the movie. Most of the negative feedback comes from very biased sources, that have not actually seen the film.true but these biased sources wasn't wrong about catwoman :p

[Eliseu Gouveia]

My prediction for X-3.


"Lots of characters will die"


and Cyclops will be one of them.
Boy´s been getting the shaft since X-1 (how many seconds of screetime did he get in X-2, anyway?" and X-3 will be his swan song.

Fans worldwide will finally get to see Jean in Logan´s arms.

Yee-haw.

[UniqueFrequency]

My prediction for X-3.


"Lots of characters will die"


and Cyclops will be one of them.
Boy´s been getting the shaft since X-1 (how many seconds of screetime did he get in X-2, anyway?" and X-3 will be his swan song.

Fans worldwide will finally get to see Jean in Logan´s arms.

Yee-haw.

i'll personally not be happy with Cyke dies (though it seems that's how the story is going)

[blackdragon6]

i'll personally not be happy with Cyke dies (though it seems that's how the story is going)he'll be back for part 4,...maybe

[Eliseu Gouveia]

i'll personally not be happy with Cyke dies (though it seems that's how the story is going)


After Storm, he´s my absolute favorite X-Man but Hollywood doesn´t seem to care much for the character.

The way they treated him in X-2 was just ridiculous.

[blackdragon6]

After Storm, he´s my absolute favorite X-Man but Hollywood doesn´t seem to care much for the character.

The way they treated him in X-2 was just ridiculous.he's the leader and that kinda conflicts with what their doing with wolverine.considering they built the franchise around him and not the x-men. :mad:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Why do they even bother calling the series "X-men"?

[UniqueFrequency]

Why do they even bother calling the series "X-men"?

yeah it's more like "wolverine and friends"

[blackdragon6]

yeah it's more like "wolverine and friends"ironically the films inherited the comics problem,wich is basically too much wolverine.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

comformation of sentinals by Ratner

http://www.xmenfilms.net/xnews/101.html

The latest issue of Starlog Magazine features an amazing interview with X3 director Brett Ratner, and Ellen Page (Kitty Pryde)! You can pick up your issue of the magazine in stores now, but here's a little peak at what's inside:

*Brett Ratner on continuity: "I'm trying to stay as true as I can to the core audience. The difference between the first two X-Men and this movie is, this is a darker film and that's because of the source material. The Dark Phoenix plotline is, well, dark."

*Ratner on the final act: "I had to completely change the third act. The new conclusion is probably more expensive."

*Ratner on the Sentinels: "I've been able to put stuff in this movie which, for some reason, Bryan [Singer] wasn't/ The Danger Room, the Fastball Special, and also the Sentinels -- it's really hard to make a robot a character. All these things weren't in the script until I introduced them."

*Ratner on Angel: "The movie is much more emotional than the first two, and Angel - even though he isn't a huge character - is a driving part of the story, which centers around the creation of the cure [for mutation]."

*Ratner of Colossus: "Colossus has more of a part in X-Men: The Last Stand. We'll see him transform a lot; it's just really expensive."

*Ratner mentions Omega Red: "There's Callisto [Dania Ramirez], Arclight [Omyrha Mota], and Omega Red [Vince Murdocco]. They're small parts, but they have powers. Magneto has a team now."

*Ratner on X4: Many seed are planted in this [X3] picture, but I haven't been hired to direct the fourth one. When it [X3] comes out, it'll be the determining factor."

"Page on Kitty: "Kitty is an extremely intelligent young woman. She's ferocious, brave and a good role model for young women."

*Page on the costumes: "The suit is pretty surreal. It's a little confining to be honest. But this is X-Men. It's how they look. I remember shooting the first scene where we were all in our costumes. It was unbelievable, but you get used to it. I have to admit it's pretty cool. I mean, here I am, playing a superhero."

*Page on her crazy stunt: "It was a crazy stunt. I was holding onto Shawn Ashmore, and I was dropped 50 or 60 feet. All of us were up on wires. I remember looking at Halle Berry, and she turned to me and gave me this big smile. I was like being a seven year old kid in my little imaginary world. I felt so grateful for the opportunity to take that ride."

There's also a bit I didn't include in the story on the site, but Ratner also mentions this about Juggernaut:

"I'm trying to give him some humanity. I want him to have a persona instead of being a big 'Rrrrr!' guy."

It a 8 pages long article, and it's the magazine that debuted the image of Bobby and Kitty kissing.The issue is kinda expensive (7.99) but there's much more inside to read,

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i do wish they had saved omega for the wolverine movie and not just have him as wallpaper but oh well

also even though i like the x-films (outside of prof-x,and wolvie) i think they're the most HORRIBLY casted films ever!! lol

[blackdragon6]

*Ratner on X4: Many seed are planted in this [X3] picture, but I haven't been hired to direct the fourth one. When it [X3] comes out, it'll be the determining factor."
,i hope they get a different director this time

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i would love a ridley scott directed x-film

[KenK]

i hope they get a different director this time

Damn, can't we wait til the film comes out before we start chanting for a new director? Damn, at what point did Ratner become box office poison?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Damn, can't we wait til the film comes out before we start chanting for a new director? Damn, at what point did Ratner become box office poison?nothing its his style that people are worried about.

[kmeyers]

i do wish they had saved omega for the wolverine movie and not just have him as wallpaper but oh well

also even though i like the x-films (outside of prof-x,and wolvie) i think they're the most HORRIBLY casted films ever!! lol
I actually like that he has a small part in Magneto's "army." As long as they don't kill him off, it establishes a good villain that people will be more likely to want to see again as a villain in a Wolverine solo movie.

[blackdragon6]

I actually like that he has a small part in Magneto's "army." As long as they don't kill him off, it establishes a good villain that people will be more likely to want to see again as a villain in a Wolverine solo movie.it just seems so forced.giving his established background

[KenK]

nothing its his style that people are worried about.

He's done action comedies, dramas, a psychological thriller. People just wanna dwell on the Rush Hour movies, and the fact that his last movie wasn't as successful.

[Scorpion13]

So does anyone, anyone at all, want to wait until they see the movie before they determine its going to suck?

[Dennis K]

So does anyone, anyone at all, want to wait until they see the movie before they determine its going to suck?


This is the internet, and fanboys we're talking about, what do you think?

[kalorama]

i would love a ridley scott directed x-film

When Warner was playing musical directors trying to find someone to direct what ended up being Batman Begins, I was really hoping they'd get Ridley Scott. He'd make an outstanding Batman film.

[blackdragon6]

When Warner was playing musical directors trying to find someone to direct what ended up being Batman Begins, I was really hoping they'd get Ridley Scott. He'd make an outstanding Batman film.oh hell yeah,i want him to make the next halloween movie.i also wouldn't mind him directing the elm street prequel.and maybe the AVP sequel (if there is one)

[kalorama]

...and maybe the AVP sequel (if there is one)

God I hope not. I barely survived the first one.

[Magneto_X]

AvP got a sequel green-lighted quickly. Sorry, Kalorama.

[kalorama]

AvP got a sequel green-lighted quickly. Sorry, Kalorama.

Just because it was greenlighted doesn't mean it'll actually get made. There's still hope.

[Magneto_X]

Just because it was greenlighted doesn't mean it'll actually get made. There's still hope.

True.

But I have seen no reason for why it shouldn't be going ahead.

No rumours or anything negative that should be blocking or delaying etc.

That's why I'm confident it will go ahead.

[kalorama]

On the flip side, there hasn't been any significant news about a script, director, or casting. Warners spent close to the cost of an actual movie trying to get Superman vs. Batman going only to have it grounded. Movies get greenlighted only to die in preproduction all the time. Not saying it'll happen, but given that the first one wa a creative and commercial disaster, it's hard to imagine that the sequel is near the top of the studio's priority list. There's no assurance it'll be made until, basically, it's actually been made.

Time will tell.

[Magneto_X]

I'm not doubting that is a possibility.

Haven't heard a single thing about AvP 2 for months so perhaps you're onto something.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

well like someone else said it was AVP,theres only so much you can do with it.i wonder what people was expecting from it.(outside of the r rating that is)

[DonC]

Everybody I know seems ready to ejaculate over the fact that Omega Red has what is probably going to be a blink-and-you-miss-him part in the movie. Are there any pictures of him out there yet?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Everybody I know seems ready to ejaculate over the fact that Omega Red has what is probably going to be a blink-and-you-miss-him part in the movie. Are there any pictures of him out there yet?LOL none that i have seen.

[kalorama]

well like someone else said it was AVP,theres only so much you can do with it.i wonder what people was expecting from it.

I was expecting it not to be one of the worst movies I ever paid money to see in the theater.

[Kandi73]

That was the same way with Colossus in the frist movie. Remember that boy who was drawing if I remember corrected that was Peter. So they may do the same thing to Omega Red in X3 like they did to Colossus in X1.
Kandi

[blackdragon6]

That was the same way with Colossus in the frist movie. Remember that boy who was drawing if I remember corrected that was Peter. So they may do the same thing to Omega Red in X3 like they did to Colossus in X1.
Kandii think you mean x2 not x1

[LordEd1976]

i think you mean x2 not x1

No. I think he's talking XMen 1.

The scene he's reffering to is during the montage sequence where we see parts of the school as Prof. X talks to Wolverine. There's a scene where we see two kids running on water. When we first get to the scene there someone sitting at an easel painting. That's Colossus.

[blackdragon6]

No. I think he's talking XMen 1.

The scene he's reffering to is during the montage sequence where we see parts of the school as Prof. X talks to Wolverine. There's a scene where we see two kids running on water. When we first get to the scene there someone sitting at an easel painting. That's Colossus.
oh i see ....nevermind

[nervmeister]

http://www.universmarvel.com/ftp/ravage/news/sideshow/x3/06.jpg

This is just a maquette, but wouldn't you agree that it's an awesome translation?

[blackdragon6]

http://www.universmarvel.com/ftp/ravage/news/sideshow/x3/06.jpg

This is just a maquette, but wouldn't you agree that it's an awesome translation?it looks better than i thought it would.

[blackdragon6]

Source: 20th Century Fox
April 25, 2006

We previously reported that the Cannes Film Festival, where X-Men: The Last Stand is screening out of competition, had listed a running time of 1 hour and 43 minutes for the third film.

As we expected, this was simply a guess by the festival because 20th Century Fox couldn't confirm the true length of the film in time for their schedule to be published. As of today, no running time has been locked in yet, so stay tuned.

X-Men was 104 minutes and X2: X-Men United ran 133 minutes.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4132

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

http://www.universmarvel.com/ftp/ravage/news/sideshow/x3/06.jpg

This is just a maquette, but wouldn't you agree that it's an awesome translation?he's not without his charm

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

it seems like most of the interesting stuff is happening in the danger room.i hope thats not the case.and i still wish there was sentinals.and no the robot in the danger room is NOT a sentinal.

[blackdragon6]

did anybody see the 7 minute preview on fox?