No Hawkeye Love? *Avengers Movie Spoilers*

[The Animal Man]

is it just me or did hawkeye not have enough screen time in the movie as opposed to black widow? it just seemed like we didn't get much time to know hawkeye

[KurtW95]

Sadly, the movie Hawkeye didn't really act like 616 Hawkeye unfortunately.

[The Animal Man]

Sadly, the movie Hawkeye didn't really act like 616 Hawkeye unfortunately.

He Didn't seem to have much time to really build a personality of any kind....too bad because he deserves better

[KurtW95]

He Didn't seem to have much time to really build a personality of any kind....too bad because he deserves better

And a better costume.

[The Animal Man]

And a better costume.

Yeah....but they probably thought his 616 costume was too goofy.....honestly they could of removed black widow from the lineup and added wasp(yes i know wasp has not been in any marvel movies but Widow has it's just she seemed to only serve the purpose of being there so people can say Scarlet's Uber Hot)while keeping hawkeye because to me in a movie like this A Master Marksmen with Various special arrows needs all the screen time he can get

not only that but Hawkeye's more well known as An Avenger than Black Widow so why put her above him?

[GokaiRed]

I have no problem with the movie choosing to have him more like Ultimate Hawkeye. Nor do I have a problem with them using the scaled-down costume, in keeping with the personality and feel of SHIELD in the movieverse.

I don't think they intentionally reduced his screentime, but rather, having him be turned evil was in itself a way to use him in the film for something that is different from everyone else. It's the thing that needs to be overcome for him, and through this, we learn about not only Black Widow, but his connection to her. He saved her from a bad situation, and thus there's this sort of half-unspoken sexual tension between them.

I honestly loved Hawkeye in the movie. His portrayal and interaction with Widow makes me want to see a Hawkeye/Widow/SHIELD film in the future. The two of them could definitely benefit from the extra exposure, and considering how well they've been received by the general public, I think a (well-handled) movie focusing on them could be quite successful. Sort of a comic booky "Mission: Impossible."

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I loved the film and hawkeyes role obviously i wouldve loved to see more from him but i think the scenes he was in were well done...

[Hulk_Is]

I felt like all of the characters had equal screentime. Hawkeye - even under Loki's control still had the same personality. I even see him getting a solo film before evn Black Widow - and BW was pretty cool in Avengers.

[KurtW95]

I wish Black Widow would've at least slipped into a Russian accent.

[NamorsTrident]

I too thought Hawkeye was portrayed pretty well in the Avengers. I also don't mind ht emerging of the Ult. verse with his is 616 personality. (he was't a total Ult. character)
However, I do wish he had more screen time. His "work load" wasn't really less than the others (especially the Widow) but him starting out as a brainwashed villain did have us missing out on some team interactions in the film.

[The Animal Man]

He just didn't have that many memorable scenes

[GokaiRed]

He just didn't have that many memorable scenes

For me, he had:

His attack on the Hellicarrier
His fight with Widow
His "rehab" with Widow
His overseeing of the final battle
Leaping off the roof, grappling his way through a window to safety
The "no-look" shot on an alien behind him

[Walsh06]

The shot at Loki ^^

If you think he wasnt used enough well then be happy it was Joss Whedon doing the film. He loves his side characters and balanced all of them very well. Most directors and he would have gotten no screen time at all. So be grateful he was given his chance and his gained a lot of new fans now.

[CMBMOOL]

While he was portray as the pawn to the villains overall scheme, it did sort of relates back to Hawkeye's 616 Avengers comic book origins in a way. So that was a small comic book Easter Egg for fans to catch on. :biggrin:

[XPac]

I think it's a given that the primary characters in this movie were the ones that had their own individual movies going into it. Hawkeye and Black Widow were truthfully secondary to the "Big Guns" assembling.

That said, I thought Widow and Clint actually were used well in the movie. Overall I think it did a very good job giving everyone their moments. And for a movie with that many characters moving at the pace that it did, that's actually no small feat.

[Aaric Rivad]

For me, he had:

His attack on the Hellicarrier
His fight with Widow
His "rehab" with Widow
His overseeing of the final battle
Leaping off the roof, grappling his way through a window to safety
The "no-look" shot on an alien behind him

Yep. He didn't have a lot of big lines or anything, but his character isn't as much of a talker as the others. In the scenes he was in, he did as much to move the plot along as anyone, and he was pretty damn cool doing it.

[protege]

I went into this thinking I'd love the hulk, and came out loving Hawkeye and the Black Widow. Along with Banner, they were the human characters in this superhuman movie.

[XPac]

Yep. He didn't have a lot of big lines or anything, but his character isn't as much of a talker as the others. In the scenes he was in, he did as much to move the plot along as anyone, and he was pretty damn cool doing it.

And truthfully the movie Hawkeye is simply a very different character than the comic book version.

He's not a talker. He has more of a silent efficienty, which I actually think sort of conveyed more a sense of bad assery. Stark was more of the wise @$$ free spirit talker that comic book Clint is.

[Hrist]

Yeah....but they probably thought his 616 costume was too goofy.....honestly they could of removed black widow from the lineup and added wasp(yes i know wasp has not been in any marvel movies but Widow has it's just she seemed to only serve the purpose of being there so people can say Scarlet's Uber Hot)while keeping hawkeye because to me in a movie like this A Master Marksmen with Various special arrows needs all the screen time he can get

not only that but Hawkeye's more well known as An Avenger than Black Widow so why put her above him?

Wow, this comment is like a bingo card for the "female characters are just there to look hot so they are interchangeable" set.

Clint was notably absent from most of the team building character work. But that did set up a lot of things, and he got to join the Avengers by breaking into their HQ!

[The Animal Man]

Wow, this comment is like a bingo card for the "female characters are just there to look hot so they are interchangeable" set.

Clint was notably absent from most of the team building character work. But that did set up a lot of things, and he got to join the Avengers by breaking into their HQ!

Dude I Said that because Wasp is More of an Avenger Than Black Widow and fits the theme of the team(Freaks And Super Heroes)Black Widow is not A Monster A Outcast Some Super Hero Or A Mystical Being She's A Shield Agent so she should be working for shield not with the avengers

[XPac]

Dude I Said that because Wasp is More of an Avenger Than Black Widow and fits the theme of the team(Freaks And Super Heroes)Black Widow is not A Monster A Outcast Some Super Hero Or A Mystical Being She's A Shield Agent so she should be working for shield not with the avengers

The thing is, I don't think the Avengers were ever supposed to have a single unifying theme like say the X-Men.

It's a bunch of very different heroes coming together. Stark frankly isn't a monster or outcast either. Even Steve doesn't really apply. It's characters from completely different background who have very little if anything in common coming together, which sort of helps to build up that epic sense when they actually assemble. And it also explains them going their seperate ways when it's done.

[The Animal Man]

Still She's Hardly what I'd call a hero she's just a human with no abilities or gear to back her up against Super Powered Beings and You know there would come a time when her skills and weapons would prove useless against the enemy

[XPac]

Still She's Hardly what I'd call a hero she's just a human with no abilities or gear to back her up against Super Powered Beings and You know there would come a time when her skills and weapons would prove useless against the enemy

Then maybe that's part of the point being made there. Maybe you don't need special abilities or gear to be a hero.

[The Animal Man]

Then maybe that's part of the point being made there. Maybe you don't need special abilities or gear to be a hero.

You Kinda do once you start running into Supernatural Threats And High Level Cosmic Beings

[Walsh06]

Still She's Hardly what I'd call a hero she's just a human with no abilities or gear to back her up against Super Powered Beings and You know there would come a time when her skills and weapons would prove useless against the enemy
I think that says a lot about you and your view of humanity. Nah but seriously that is mostly the point as stated. Same with hawkeye. Hes just a human, but has a very good skill. So does she.

[Hrist]

Dude I Said that because Wasp is More of an Avenger Than Black Widow and fits the theme of the team(Freaks And Super Heroes)Black Widow is not A Monster A Outcast Some Super Hero Or A Mystical Being She's A Shield Agent so she should be working for shield not with the avengers

The Avengers aren't the X-men, and she's certainly an outcast. And her plot arc (much more than Hawkeye's, who joins in order to get revenge) is coming to realize she can use her skillset as a superhero, not just fighting for SHIELD.

You also realize that the "Black Widow doesn't belong she's a SHIELD agent with no powers" doesn't fly when you're arguing for more Hawkeye. Look, I want Wasp to be in these movies, I love Jan, but Jan and Natasha bring very different things to the plot, and superheroes without powers are pretty genre-standard for good reason.

[XPac]

You Kinda do once you start running into Supernatural Threats And High Level Cosmic Beings

Course, you could make the same arguement about Clint dealing with High level cosmic beings.

But he's actually done surprising well.

Either way, Black Widow is an Avenger and Thanos does seem to be on the horizen. So we'll find out one way or the other.

[Godlike13]

Im sorry, but thought Hawkeye was easily the worst thing in the movie. The less screen time he had the better IMO.

[XPac]

Im sorry, but thought Hawkeye was easily the worst thing in the movie. The less screen time he had the better IMO.

I thought it was just the right amount. Not too little and not too much.

The focus was on the Big 3, as it SHOULD have been quite frankly. But I felt the other Avengers all had their cool moments and a nice bit of development, which is not an easy thing to do given how many characters there were and the pace the movie moved.

[Walsh06]

Im sorry, but thought Hawkeye was easily the worst thing in the movie. The less screen time he had the better IMO.
I know opinions and all but could you elaborate on this statement. If you are going to say "this sucks" you have to say why.

[The Animal Man]

I think that says a lot about you and your view of humanity. Nah but seriously that is mostly the point as stated. Same with hawkeye. Hes just a human, but has a very good skill. So does she.

dude there are just some villains out there that Black Widow would get stomped by without her so much as landing a single hit and some of them aren't rare once in a blue moon baddies We're Not talking about batman here We're talking about black widow she's not a jack of all trades nor does she have the power to plan her way to victory like batman she's A Shield Agent while she maybe a good assassin she's not someone who can topple anybody in front of her

This is not to trash on her skills in general but The Avengers are commonly referred as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" Heroes that can stand up to any threat placed against them Heroes that can defeat any evil Heroes That Have The Means To Overcome The Odds Black Widow Is just Not up there I'll Let Hawkeye Slide due to his trick arrows and how he can control the battle from afar(Explosive Arrows Ice Arrows You Name It)

The Only way i can be fine with a normal human hero is if they have the gear to take down threats they normally couldn't or if they have batman skills that enable them to beat anyone and anything with a few minutes to plan otherwise it just doesn't work

[Hrist]

I thought it was just the right amount. Not too little and not too much.

The focus was on the Big 3, as it SHOULD have been quite frankly. But I felt the other Avengers all had their cool moments and a nice bit of development, which is not an easy thing to do given how many characters there were and the pace the movie moved.

I don't even know that the focus was on the big 3. I mean, I think Bruce and Natasha and Tony got the most definite character arcs— which makes some sense because they are saving the next chapter for Steve and Thor. (And the film was originally going to focus squarely on Iron Man, as he's the biggest box office draw by far.) Clint was at a big remove, but it sort of worked, dramatically, since his character isn't a team-up guy, he needed that strong motivation to go after Loki to justify joining a bigger squad.

[Walsh06]

I couldnt be bothered doing this with you anymore as you have a very narrow view on the issue. You are right but not in the way you think you are. But I know you arent great at listening to others so Ill leave you alone.

[Greg Anderson]

Black Widow was my favorite character in the film, Hulk and Hawkeye following close after.

[The Animal Man]

Listening to others? Dude you didn't present any statements to back your case as i said A Normal Human Hero can be done and can be a success but you have to give them something that really makes them shine as a hero instead of just being like the rest in their category if you don't have good weapons and you don't have excellent planning skills then you'll fail as a hero

why do you think batman's one of the best dc heroes? because he has various fighting styles and gadgets at his disposal not to mention he's smart enough to find a way out of any situation even with mere minutes or seconds to spare he has vital knowledge on All JLA Members including their weaknesses in case they turn rogue

all of that makes him just as important if not more than Your Average super hero

[Fast]

dude there are just some villains out there that Black Widow would get stomped by without her so much as landing a single hit and some of them aren't rare once in a blue moon baddies We're Not talking about batman here We're talking about black widow she's not a jack of all trades nor does she have the power to plan her way to victory like batman she's A Shield Agent while she maybe a good assassin she's not someone who can topple anybody in front of her

This is not to trash on her skills in general but The Avengers are commonly referred as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" Heroes that can stand up to any threat placed against them Heroes that can defeat any evil Heroes That Have The Means To Overcome The Odds Black Widow Is just Not up there I'll Let Hawkeye Slide due to his trick arrows and how he can control the battle from afar(Explosive Arrows Ice Arrows You Name It)

The Only way i can be fine with a normal human hero is if they have the gear to take down threats they normally couldn't or if they have batman skills that enable them to beat anyone and anything with a few minutes to plan otherwise it just doesn't work

If Widow is out of her element than ditch Captain America and Hawkeye too since they too were out of their element fighting Loki (as would Batman). Your counter to this is that they took the grunts just fine and bring other things besides pure power to the table...psst so did Widow (interrogating Loki, etc).

[tommyman]

I had some mixed feelings about Hawkeye in the movie.
Of all the Avengers portrayed, he was the one who was furthest from his 616 incarnation, in just about every way.

Obviously the costume was not 616, based off the Ultimate version as it was.
I'm one of those who believe that if you can accept flying men and thunder gods with magic hammers, you should be able to stand Hawkeye's costume.
I'm hoping that in a follow up they might use the rationale that all the others are relatively colourful and give him a costume a bit more like his classic one.
It's a pretty forlorn hope, but I still have it. Visually, he is dull, as is.

Next we have him being not just a SHIELD agent, but a "master assassin", both of which again owe more to the ultimates than the Avengers.
One of his stupidly endearing qualities is to be a man firing arrows who is against killing.
Yet another Punisher/Bullseye lite we don't need.
I'll grant that for a master assassin he's been shown to be able to turn down killing (with Widow and in Thor), but I'd sooner see him turn away from that sort of thing than be sold on it.

Although Renner seems to be a good actor, I was not sold on him as Hawkeye.
Maybe because I wanted cocky, smart mouth Hawkeye and Stark's got that role all tied up, unfortunately.
Which leaves "taciturn, mysterious man of action" as his character in the film, which frankly with a bland costume and a powerset not massively visual compared to Hulk, Thor, Iron Man and Cap leaves him looking and seeming less interesting than the rest.
If we'd seen a bit more variety in the "trick arrows" (which I know some people hate, but are what the character is all about, really) he might have stood out a bit more.

My last gripe is minor, and it's that he's never called Hawkeye, nor is Black Widow called Black Widow.
We see it on a screen at one point very briefly, but it's never spoken, which gives a vague air of being a bit ashamed of the codenames and costumes, as if they were considered too silly to use.
I just wondered why it was that we got so few uses of code names.
Stark was constantly referred to as Stark, not Iron Man, Banner refers to Hulk as "the other guy", and is referred to as "the big guy". Cap is called "Captain Rogers".
Only Thor gets called Thor, and I'd have preferred the others got addressed by their nom de guerres a bit more.
Like I said, minor gripe.

All in all, they did a pretty good job on Hawkeye, though.
His action sequences were good, his quiver thingy looked cool and seemed fairly well thought out.
He was better than I thought I'd ever see on-screen, but for me he could have been a bit better still.

[Walsh06]

Listening to others? Dude you didn't present any statements to back your case as i said A Normal Human Hero can be done and can be a success but you have to give them something that really makes them shine as a hero instead of just being like the rest in their category if you don't have good weapons and you don't have excellent planning skills then you'll fail as a hero

why do you think batman's one of the best dc heroes? because he has various fighting styles and gadgets at his disposal not to mention he's smart enough to find a way out of any situation even with mere minutes or seconds to spare he has vital knowledge on All JLA Members including their weaknesses in case they turn rogue

all of that makes him just as important if not more than Your Average super hero
You want me to debate then I will. You wont listen but whatever Ill do it.

In reply to the first bolded piece. First of all she has her general martial arts skills which are quite high and able to hold up against a lot of regular enemies. THis cant be disputed as it was shown in the film. The planning skills was also shown as she decided on the plan to get up to the top of Stark Tower and on how to do it. This also showed off her excellent skills.

The whole Batman section sounds ridicolous but it still warrants anaylsis. First of all she has superior fighting skills (already discussed). The gadgets?? Well lets see she is an agent of SHIELD. The group who have a helicarrier and are developing weapons from the teseract. Im pretty sure they can provide her with a few gadgets that can help her out in sticky situation. We saw her use the thing on her wrist (sorry Im not sure of the proper name). The mere minutes or seconds does not warrant discussion at all.

Now once again we come back to her being an agent of SHIELD. She has information on all her teammates because SHIELD has information on all of them. They will provide her with this information if she needs it and no doubt she already knows plenty of it.

Now onto my own stuff. There is more than just straight up one on one fighting involved. This is a TEAM we are talking about. The point is that each person will bring something else to the table to help the team out as a whole. Its not about individuals. I hope I don't have to explain this as this was the story of the movie. So when the super galactic aliens come, she will have the team alongside her to help out. And we already saw each of them failing at times so they will all need to work together in order to stop the bigger threats.

We also saw her brains in action with how she manipulated Loki into giving away his plan and why he was so happy to be on the Helicarrier. This is the guy who managed to manipulate so many people yet she beat him at his own game. There is more than just fighting involved. You have to use your brain to help the team. Also evident in her introduction. It looked like a damsel in distress situation but instead it was quite the opposite. She was using it to get information from the guy. And escaped without any bother.

Also as stated you cant single her out. We saw Captain America doing badly against Loki. Hawkeye just has arrows. And the argument of "hes at a distance" is irrelevant if we are talking about superheroes. There are people who can teleport, ie close the distance in less than a second. So he is just as weak as her. And lets just say someone manages to damage Tonys suit, she is in a much better situation than him. You can do this for all of them as to why they could be useless in a fight.

And your comment about being similar to the rest in the category seems odd. Arent spies going to be similar because they are all spies. I know personalities will change but you arent talking about that. Same as a guy whos power is strength is the same as someone else who has strength. They are obviously going to be similar. The thing with Avengers is it uses people from all different types so they contrast and each give somethign to the fight and movie.

[Lascoden]

I wanna say Widow Bites, but that doesn't sound quite right.

[Prince Of Orphans]

Would've loved to see some more personality. Seemed one-dimensional imo.

[Hrist]

Listening to others? Dude you didn't present any statements to back your case as i said A Normal Human Hero can be done and can be a success but you have to give them something that really makes them shine as a hero instead of just being like the rest in their category if you don't have good weapons and you don't have excellent planning skills then you'll fail as a hero

Natasha has good planning skills. She is the one who outplayed Loki. In the final battle, she's the one who closed the portal, and who saw that there was no way to win if they didn't figure out how to close the portal, so she took it upon herself to go solve that problem. She's shown to be, if not their best general, their best at cunning strategy.


why do you think batman's one of the best dc heroes? because he has various fighting styles and gadgets at his disposal not to mention he's smart enough to find a way out of any situation even with mere minutes or seconds to spare he has vital knowledge on All JLA Members including their weaknesses in case they turn rogue

Why do you think this applies to Batman and not Black Widow? She's been explicitly shown in the comics to have extensive personal files on every Avenger, including how to take them down if they need to be. And she has the resources and skillset to make that believable— Natasha is a master spy, finding weaknesses, discovering operable intel, is just what she does. (A lot of people find Tower of Babel kind of a stretch for Bruce and his paranoia.) In the movies, we saw that Natasha is the one they sent to gather all the information they put in those SHIELD briefers they gave to the other heroes.

She has gadgets, too. We didn't see much of the Widow's Sting in the film, but in IM2 she had taser disks, smoke bombs, pepper spray, the whole utility belt.


all of that makes him just as important if not more than Your Average super hero

What makes Batman more important than other heroes isn't his relative power levels— which are standard badass normal stuff— but the lingering power his iconography has had. His origin story and central character themes have struck a chord with generation after generation, and so he gets put in the JLA and made to do stuff, but it's not really about the utility belt.

[Lascoden]

Would've loved to see some more personality. Seemed one-dimensional imo.

I think they did a good job of showing her as very reserved. It can make her seem somewhat flat for most of the film, but the character moments, such as between her and Hawkeye, become stronger for it. My opinion, anyway.

[Hrist]

I think they did a good job of showing her as very reserved. It can make her seem somewhat flat for most of the film, but the character moments, such as between her and Hawkeye, become stronger for it. My opinion, anyway.

I think this comment was about Hawkeye. For me I think the real issue is that Clint's 616 personality is huge and loud and unmistakable, while in the movie he's definitely quiet and understated. So there is a bit of a disconnect.

[XPac]

I think this comment was about Hawkeye. For me I think the real issue is that Clint's 616 personality is huge and loud and unmistakable, while in the movie he's definitely quiet and understated. So there is a bit of a disconnect.

I think ultimately because the movie Iron Mans depiction was more of a wise cracking free spirited jerk, they had to take the Clint character in a different direction.

So I think going with the Ultimate version was smart. And it better fits the direction they're taking him. He's a SHIELD agent, not a guy criminal circus guy.

[Prince Of Orphans]

I think they did a good job of showing her as very reserved. It can make her seem somewhat flat for most of the film, but the character moments, such as between her and Hawkeye, become stronger for it. My opinion, anyway.

Was referring to Hawkeye actually lol. Sorry, should've made it more clear following your comment.

[OkieDokiLoki]

I definetly would've liked to have seen more of him but what was there was pretty cool.
He was truly bad-ass in the end fighting alongside everyone. ^^

[Lascoden]

Was referring to Hawkeye actually lol. Sorry, should've made it more clear following your comment.

Haha, whoops, my bad. Yeah, this is a Hawkeye thread, isn't it. :redface:
Got lost, with all the Widow talk.

[Umbra]

The Avengers aren't the X-men, and she's certainly an outcast. And her plot arc (much more than Hawkeye's, who joins in order to get revenge) is coming to realize she can use her skillset as a superhero, not just fighting for SHIELD.

You also realize that the "Black Widow doesn't belong she's a SHIELD agent with no powers" doesn't fly when you're arguing for more Hawkeye. Look, I want Wasp to be in these movies, I love Jan, but Jan and Natasha bring very different things to the plot, and superheroes without powers are pretty genre-standard for good reason.


Agreed. I though they were both great.

Wished Pym, Jan and T'challa were in the flick. clint will get development in his solo.

[NamorsTrident]

Just wanted to add......Captain America called Clint Hawkeye when he was giving out orders to the whole team. I think he was also called it one other time in the film......

[tommyman]

Just wanted to add......Captain America called Clint Hawkeye when he was giving out orders to the whole team. I think he was also called it one other time in the film......

Ahh.. I forgot that, or missed it somehow.
One off my list, I guess.
Ta.

[Wren]

I wish Black Widow would've at least slipped into a Russian accent.As a Russian, her accent made me cringe. It took me out of the movie because the guys she was captured by should have known right away she wasn't who she said she was... she sounded like a robot reading a phonetic script.

I wish if they were going with her being Russian, they'd picked a Russian actress (especially since she's a recurring character)... but I can see why they didn't.

[Hrist]

I think ultimately because the movie Iron Mans depiction was more of a wise cracking free spirited jerk, they had to take the Clint character in a different direction.

So I think going with the Ultimate version was smart. And it better fits the direction they're taking him. He's a SHIELD agent, not a guy criminal circus guy.

Oh, I understand why they did it, and how this version fits into the movie more cleanly. I still think there's a disconnect, especially for devoted fans of 616 Clint.

[Fast]

As a Russian, her accent made me cringe. It took me out of the movie because the guys she was captured by should have known right away she wasn't who she said she was... she sounded like a robot reading a phonetic script.

I wish if they were going with her being Russian, they'd picked a Russian actress (especially since she's a recurring character)... but I can see why they didn't.

As a non-Russian her OMG line in Russian (Bohze Moi?) made me raise an eyebrow. For now though I am assuming she has lived in America far longer than she was in Russia so the accent may have slipped away (born in Lafayette, LA. Moved to Philly when I was 8 and have had a northern accent most my life)...of course as a spy she really should be able to convincingly have the accent.

Still this is a gripe so minor I skated right over it like Loki speaking English/German

[Wren]

As a non-Russian her OMG line in Russian (Bohze Moi?) made me raise an eyebrow. For now though I am assuming she has lived in America far longer than she was in Russia so the accent may have slipped away (born in Lafayette, LA. Moved to Philly when I was 8 and have had a northern accent most my life)...of course as a spy she really should be able to convincingly have the accent.

Still this is a gripe so minor I skated right over it like Loki speaking English/GermanI also have lived three quarters of my life in Canada and don't speak Russian regularly and it's not quite what she sounded like. Her words had no inflection or the wrong inflection-- she didn't know what she was saying.

But yeah overall it was a really minor issue, and I am very used to it as I'm sure are all other people who hear their language in a foreign film.

BTW, hilariously, the russian-speaking weapons dealers also had a weird accent. So maybe they were ALL pretending to be Russian lol


Oh, I understand why they did it, and how this version fits into the movie more cleanly. I still think there's a disconnect, especially for devoted fans of 616 Clint.I think 616 fans may as well hang up the hat, he's almost diametrically opposed to Clint. But as his own character I quite like him. I liked that he's established as someone who likes to sit in high, far-off places and brood over his target, "the hawk in his nest".
Even though he had very few lines, he definitely had character and I'm hoping for a bigger role later.

[Lascoden]

I also have lived three quarters of my life in Canada and don't speak Russian regularly and it's not quite what she sounded like. Her words had no inflection or the wrong inflection-- she didn't know what she was saying.

But yeah overall it was a really minor issue, and I am very used to it as I'm sure are all other people who hear their language in a foreign film.

BTW, hilariously, the russian-speaking weapons dealers also had a weird accent. So maybe they were ALL pretending to be Russian lol

I think 616 fans may as well hang up the hat, he's almost diametrically opposed to Clint. But as his own character I quite like him. I liked that he's established as someone who likes to sit in high, far-off places and brood over his target, "the hawk in his nest".
Even though he had very few lines, he definitely had character and I'm hoping for a bigger role later.

Looking at imdb, the actor was Polish.

[XPac]

I think 616 fans may as well hang up the hat, he's almost diametrically opposed to Clint. But as his own character I quite like him. I liked that he's established as someone who likes to sit in high, far-off places and brood over his target, "the hawk in his nest".
Even though he had very few lines, he definitely had character and I'm hoping for a bigger role later.

I particularly like how they used him as somewhat of a sniper from a distance, pitting off targets and monitoring the flow of the battle. It's sort of a unique role that suits someone of his power/skill set.

I got into arguements with old school Clint fans about Clint being a sniper before... it doesn't necessarily fit with the guy that wants to be on the front lines calling attention to himself. But if it's a change in the character, it's one I personally like.

[Hrist]

Yeah, while I like 616 Clint quite a bit and don't want to see the character drastically retooled, I liked the movie version. And I wouldn't mind seeing Clint adopt that birds-eye-view strategy angle in the comics either. His personality (loud, headstrong, arrogant) has always been a bit at odds with his non-powered arrow shooting gimmick, and that's part of what makes Clint interesting.

[TonyStark1012]

I loved the film and hawkeyes role obviously i wouldve loved to see more from him but i think the scenes he was in were well done...

Same here. I thought the time he had that he made the most of it.

[tg1982]

I particularly like how they used him as somewhat of a sniper from a distance, pitting off targets and monitoring the flow of the battle. It's sort of a unique role that suits someone of his power/skill set.

I got into arguements with old school Clint fans about Clint being a sniper before... it doesn't necessarily fit with the guy that wants to be on the front lines calling attention to himself. But if it's a change in the character, it's one I personally like.

I liked it too, especially when he was giving off locations and told Iron Man about the problems the Chitauri chariots had banking, ofcourse theres the whole picking Chitauri off as well.

[Lady_Alternate]

Looking at imdb, the actor was Polish.

The Russian General guy also played Uncle Stepan in Eastern Promises. He's a go-to for Russian archetypes, but yes, he's Polish.

[Wren]

Yeah Clint's front-line personality vs long-range powers is a bit funny... in the movie he does what Bendis had him do: take a sword out of his bow, or throw it away entirely. Which I think was actually kind of cool. I wouldn't mind 616 Clint developing close-range weapons as a backup plan.


I liked it too, especially when he was giving off locations and told Iron Man about the problems the Chitauri chariots had banking, ofcourse theres the whole picking Chitauri off as well.That battle was a great scene, everyone seemed to work well together and everyone did something important. I also liked that he asked IM for a lift to the roof and Tony telling him to 'clench', and then a 1 sec scene of him with a scrunched up face and Tony grabbing him by the collar lol

That one's going up with that one time IM was giving Cap a ride and they had their hands around each other's waists... there is just no way for him to carry someone "heroically"

[Hypestyle]

Hawk needs to have the original costume in the next movie. Also I want to see the boxing-glove arrow!

[Sleepwalker42]

dude there are just some villains out there that Black Widow would get stomped by without her so much as landing a single hit and some of them aren't rare once in a blue moon baddies We're Not talking about batman here We're talking about black widow she's not a jack of all trades nor does she have the power to plan her way to victory like batman she's A Shield Agent while she maybe a good assassin she's not someone who can topple anybody in front of her

This is not to trash on her skills in general but The Avengers are commonly referred as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" Heroes that can stand up to any threat placed against them Heroes that can defeat any evil Heroes That Have The Means To Overcome The Odds Black Widow Is just Not up there I'll Let Hawkeye Slide due to his trick arrows and how he can control the battle from afar(Explosive Arrows Ice Arrows You Name It)

The Only way i can be fine with a normal human hero is if they have the gear to take down threats they normally couldn't or if they have batman skills that enable them to beat anyone and anything with a few minutes to plan otherwise it just doesn't work


Tasha has lead the Avengers in the past if I'm not mistaken?

[Ed Sizzers]

is it just me or did hawkeye not have enough screen time in the movie as opposed to black widow? it just seemed like we didn't get much time to know hawkeye
He's a bloke that fires arrows. She's a kick-ass superspy in a catsuit.

Of course we saw more of Widow. And quite right too.

[Hrist]

Tasha has lead the Avengers in the past if I'm not mistaken?

Yeah, for a good chunk of the 90s.

[FIFTY-TWO (52)]

My main problem with Hawkeye is that Jeremy Renner's face looks like it's made of dough. The guy looks like he's 50 years old.
Other than that, Hawk and Widow were sufficient secondaries.

[turtletrekker]

is it just me or did hawkeye not have enough screen time in the movie as opposed to black widow? it just seemed like we didn't get much time to know hawkeye

No, it's not just you. According to this article, (http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/how-much-screen-time-does-each-avenger-get.html) Hawkeye had by far the least screen time.

The breakdown goes like this--

Hawkeye-- 12:44
Thor-- 25:52
Banner/Hulk-- 28:03 (20:29 of un-transformed Banner)
Black Widow-- 33:35
Iron Man-- 37:01
Captain America-- 37:42

[KurtW95]

My main problem with Hawkeye is that Jeremy Renner's face looks like it's made of dough. The guy looks like he's 50 years old.

Without the mask Clint's face should either look like

93313 or 93314

[Lady_Alternate]

Hawk needs to have the original costume in the next movie. Also I want to see the boxing-glove arrow!

This would be the worst thing ever.

[Lascoden]

This would be the worst thing ever.

Which? The costume I agree with. The boxing-glove arrow could make for a funny one-off joke. Nothing serious.

[Lady_Alternate]

Which? The costume I agree with. The boxing-glove arrow could make for a funny one-off joke. Nothing serious.

Both. Hawkeye's campy costume has no place in the MCU, and the present interpretation of his arrows is great; no reason to do a camp send up of those either.

[Seresecros]

Whedon's smartest move was to keep Jeremy Renner away from the charismatic actors for so long.

[motherofpearl1]

I think it's a given that the primary characters in this movie were the ones that had their own individual movies going into it. Hawkeye and Black Widow were truthfully secondary to the "Big Guns" assembling.

That said, I thought Widow and Clint actually were used well in the movie. Overall I think it did a very good job giving everyone their moments. And for a movie with that many characters moving at the pace that it did, that's actually no small feat.


Exactly. Actually of all the Avengers I found the Widow to be perhaps the least likeable - she'd spent her life as a cold blooded killer who in her own words couldn't give a toss who she killed and who she worked for. She only came into her own at the end when she risked her life to save others. Hawkeye was also a killer but showed human compassion because he spared the Widow - he at least saw something worth saving. Renner did a good job with perhaps the least colourful character in the movie.

[The Animal Man]

People can say they liked the way they did hawk in this movie but you gotta admit to some extent it was kinda lame that the movie's called the avengers and one of them isn't even a part of the team for most of the movie....hard to like a character when most of the time you see him he's being manipulated by the villain

[Walsh06]

Most of the movie none of them were part of the team. Did you notice the parts where they all fought each other?? Im confused also do you like Hawkeye or not??

[Frank]

My main problem with Hawkeye is that Jeremy Renner's face looks like it's made of dough. The guy looks like he's 50 years old.
Other than that, Hawk and Widow were sufficient secondaries.

Hollywood since Hurt Locker are trying to reinvent Renner as a leading man but to me he doesn't the look and charisma to pull it off.

An Hawkeye I would have been satisfied with would have been either Tomas Jane or Josh Holloway. But it would have been a more smartass Clint like in the 616 comics.

[Sleepwalker42]

People can say they liked the way they did hawk in this movie but you gotta admit to some extent it was kinda lame that the movie's called the avengers and one of them isn't even a part of the team for most of the movie....hard to like a character when most of the time you see him he's being manipulated by the villain

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