Parker & Shalvey Re-Assemble Marvel's "Dark Avengers"

[CBR News]

CBR News spoke with writer Jeff Parker and artist Declan Shalvey about "Thunderbolts'" title change to "Dark Avengers" and what it means for the series and team. Plus, exclusive art from #175!


Full article here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38528).

[Movieartman]

Dammit the Art is Failing me Badly, Mike Deadato should be drawing this, Screw New Avengers and there stupid IronFist Retcon :mad:

[DBrewer75]

that art is AWFUL

[Movieartman]

"The neat thing about Sharzhad is that it really seems to have its own rules and, like Mordor, you can't simply walk into it"

yes yes YES

[Countgate]

I'm a long time reader, but I don't want to see the time-travelling Thunderbolts continue.

[Movieartman]

that art is AWFUL
from someone who has a Greg land image for there icon thats Says Alot

[protege]

I'm a long time reader, but I don't want to see the time-travelling Thunderbolts continue.

Niether do I, but I would like to see a Skaar-Hyde throw down.

[Lady_Alternate]

Dammit the Art is Failing me Badly, Mike Deadato should be drawing this, Screw New Avengers and there stupid IronFist Retcon :mad:

It may be failing you, but it's not failing me or a lot of others. Declan Shalvey and Kev Walker work really well with Jeff Parker on Thunderbolts.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Tough crowd. I think the art is a great style.

[One More Day]

Tough crowd. I think the art is a great style.

I'm not a fan of Jeff Parker and his time traveling arc and I think plummeting sales reflect that :mad:

[Jabare]

I'm fine with the art. I don't think its bad at all.


I sthe Thunderbolts time traveling arc over now. Can I pick this title back up again.


I hope they make this premiss work cause after the failings of the Raft and the Thunderbolts, I don't know why the government, the Avengers and namely Cage would think this team is a good idea. I mean do we take convicts in the real world and place them on black ops teams. No and for good reason

[One More Day]

No news on MOONSTONE :mad: :frown:

[Hockstatter]

The plot sounds like an editorialy mandated mess. How many people actually care about Spider God Dude, Clor, Trickshot, and the rest of the lame Dark Avengers? Give us Songbird, Moonstone, Ghost, Mach-V, Cain Marko, Boomer, and Troll full time, just call them the Dark Avengers.

[ian33407]

The art is okay for me, reminds me a little of Chris Samnee ..
I'd love to see MACHINE MAN added to the team, Parker did a great job on him between the pages of HULK, and I'd love to see him interacting with Zatanna (wonder whom of these two would make of the other a sex toy at first, ...anyway) and I'm also very interested about Man-Thing' fate..Though Marvel is DCing more than they will ever admit

[Hockstatter]

The art is okay for me, reminds me a little of Chris Samnee ..
I'd love to see MACHINE MAN added to the team, Parker did a great job on him between the pages of HULK, and I'd love to see him interacting with Zatanna (wonder whom of these two would make of the other a sex toy at first, ...anyway) and I'm also very interested about Man-Thing' fate..Though Marvel is DCing more than they will ever admit


I think you're doing a little DC'ing too dear boy. Satana is the marvel character

[ian33407]

I think you're doing a little DC'ing too dear boy. Satana is the marvel character

My mistake. Thanks honey

[Movieartman]

It may be failing you, but it's not failing me or a lot of others. Declan Shalvey and Kev Walker work really well with Jeff Parker on Thunderbolts.
Kev Walker i Like,
declan is fine not bad its just not on the same level as deadato

[Soundrave]

And honestly, I didn't previously know much about Skaar. I read the recent arc in "New Avengers" though, and found him pretty interesting.

Shalvey did himself a huge disservice if his only exposure to Skaar was the recent arc in "New Avengers." Pick up something written by Greg Pak, man . . . anything written by Greg Pak that features Skaar.

[CMBMOOL]

I have to say....I would wonder when Present Dr. Doom get involved with this upstart to his name as terror of the Middle Eastern land and teach him a new one ? :mad:

[IronMagnus]

Not a fan of the art at all. :frown:

[Ish Kabbible]

I've been buying this book since #1 out of habit. Have not read it for a few years. Time to jump off now. Thanks Marvel for making it easy. I despise Skaar

[coveredinbees]

The art is fantastic.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

No news on MOONSTONE :mad: :frown:

How about you ASK JEFF PARKER ON TWITTER?!

https://twitter.com/#!/jeffparker

The link is there. Ask away!

[chariset]

I didn't know Songbird could carry a 'passenger'.

Poor Luke. He must wish he had a jetpack or something.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I didn't know Songbird could carry a 'passenger'.

Poor Luke. He must wish he had a jetpack or something.

She used to carry the entire Thunderbolts team all the time!

[CTpitch]

that art is AWFUL

Kev Walker's Art terrible???:eek:
Hit it gif...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2xjfjLSwr1rokr9co1_500.gif

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Kev Walker's Art terrible???:eek:
Hit it gif...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2xjfjLSwr1rokr9co1_500.gif

Actually, it's not Kev Walker.

[CTpitch]

Actually, it's not Kev Walker.

ok Declan Shalvey I'll let the hate slide although I actually like his art

[Songbird/Diamondback]

ok Declan Shalvey I'll let the hate slide although I actually like his art

I do too. I mean, the guy is a big T-bolts fan.

[Vagabond]

Is Ghost still apart of this book?

[Joe Franklin]

Is Ghost still apart of this book?

Yes he is.

[Sam Robards, Comic Fan]

I'm going to be jumping on at issue 175 with the title switch because I'm interested in how this Dark Avengers squad interacts since they weren't given too much to do in New Avengers besides gets beat.

I am sick of the Thor clone. First he survived getting his head smashed by Hercules, then he survives getting trashed by Thor and THEN he survives getting trashed by the New Avengers. The guy just won't go away. I mean, how are you going to make his personality differ ANY from Thor?

I also love Jeff Parker's Hulk, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Parker works with this team.

As for the art, it could be worse, but it could be better. Not a deal-breaker for me.

[Monty_Cristo]

The art is fantastic.

it certainly fits the title/it has grown on me. i like him better for Venom's book, though.

[The Black Guardian]

The plot sounds like an editorialy mandated mess. How many people actually care about Spider God Dude, Clor, Trickshot, and the rest of the lame Dark Avengers? Give us Songbird, Moonstone, Ghost, Mach-V, Cain Marko, Boomer, and Troll full time, just call them the Dark Avengers.
This! This! This! This! This! Why does Marvel replace gold with turds?

And STOP with the Avengers pastiche villains!! They suck! All of them. If villains cannot stand on their own without trying to be like heroes, then they are not worth ink.

[Countgate]

This! This! This! This! This! Why does Marvel replace gold with turds?

Because they already did it in #163.

[sparticus]

I'm excited by this, but slightly worried how Parker et al will balance everyone out. That's one big cast. Maybe they'll kill off Clor or someone to make some space.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I have officially dropped TB's as of issue 173...I do not care at all for any of the Dark Avengers rejects and While Shalvey's art isn't bad and I have come to tolerate it, ...I am not paying 3,00 for just ten pages of art and characters I like...presuming that they are doing the half DA/Shalvey and half TB's/Walker issue structure that was reported a while ago.

[One More Day]

How about you ASK JEFF PARKER ON TWITTER?!

https://twitter.com/#!/jeffparker

The link is there. Ask away!

:confused: Has he ever answered any of YOUR questions? :mad:

[Songbird/Diamondback]

:confused: Has he ever answered any of YOUR questions? :mad:

Yes! Quite a few times!

[One More Day]

Yes! Quite a few times!

Oh :redface: do you think he would know what the plans are for MOONSTONE in Thunderbolts? :confused:

[Joebleau]

Ouchhh bad art :eek:

[mugiwara]

Lol, so Fixer's dead and Pym is in a third ongoing?
Just finish the job, guys: kill Mach V and Songbird and replace them with Iron Man and Black Widow. They're only in 2 team books right now.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Oh :redface: do you think he would know what the plans are for MOONSTONE in Thunderbolts? :confused:

Well, he's the writer.


Ouchhh bad art

Why do people think this is bad art? Is it because it's not hyper realistic?


Lol, so Fixer's dead and Pym is in a third ongoing?
Just finish the job, guys: kill Mach V and Songbird and replace them by Iron Man and Black Widow. They're only in 2 team books right now.


No! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Lady_Alternate]

Lol, so Fixer's dead and Pym is in a third ongoing?

Well, to be fair, Pym is at best a tertiary supporting character in Secret and a supporting character to the kids in Academy, so a third supporting role isn't exactly out of the bounds of reason.



Just finish the job, guys: kill Mach V and Songbird and replace them with Iron Man and Black Widow. They're only in 2 team books right now.

Oh dear gods don't say that you'll set S/D... off... ah, too late.

*fetches hot towels and smelling salts*

[CTpitch]

Why do people think this is bad art? Is it because it's not hyper realistic?


I'm not getting it either? I mean the name change yes... but its still the same creative team and even almost the same Thunderbolts team with new members
are TB fans really going to let some of their favourite characters go into limbo because of a title change?

[wc662]

I'm getting pretty sick of this time travel bullshit, it's made me put down the book altogether until a better storyline pops up, guess I'll check it out when it switches to this

[Wellman]

Parker has enough credit with me, that I will give the first issue a shot, even though the name change along with the continued numbering is pretty much a spit in the face of long time Thunderbolts fans. But if I really can't stand the new additions to the cast, I may bounce even if the story of the time lost Thunderbolts is still up in the air like it looks to be.


Well, to be fair, Pym is at best a tertiary supporting character in Secret and a supporting character to the kids in Academy, so a third supporting role isn't exactly out of the bounds of reason.


Actually, given all the character development and some times outright focus he gets in Academy, you can very well call him a main character in that book.

[IllegalPAP]

I actually really liked the Tbolts in time story, but this preview doesn't make me very excited about the future of the series. Plus the name change seems a bit unnecessary, IMO.

[moochavelli]

Don't worry. It'll change back to Thunderbolts when they hit 200. I'd bet on it.

[AgPhoenix]

Okay, so let me get this straight.

- Thunderbolts becomes Dark Avengers at 175 and will star the Dark Avengers that Osborn assembled for the storyline that ran in Avengers and New Avengers earlier this year.

- The team will be lead by Luke Cage who will be supported by Songbird and Hank Pym.
- The book will still focus on the Time Travel Thunderbolts (who I've personally grown tired of) and will alternate between the two teams every issue?

Is there anything else I'm missing?

[whiteshark]

Have stoped reading Thunderbolts when the Time jumping storyline started but now it seems the story have gotten interesting again.
Will likely, get at least the 175 issue at least.

[Lackshmana]

Great book with great characters and great art.

I read it in TPBs so I am stuck waiting for a while on this big change up, but so far I really enjoy it.
Though, I would like to see more of USAgent in the book.

The art team of Kev and Declan is outstanding. Each man gives the impression that he's a real "artist's artist."

Keep up the quality work and I will be willing to forgive the silly name change.

[beta-ray]

I'm curious to know if they will be calling themselves "Dark Avengers". That would strike me as very odd.

[motteditor]

I'm not getting it either? I mean the name change yes... but its still the same creative team and even almost the same Thunderbolts team with new members
are TB fans really going to let some of their favourite characters go into limbo because of a title change?

Speaking for myself, yes. This feels like the Fightbolts all over again, to me (even if it's not quite the same). This time at least they're changing the name, but I find it really hard to believe they're still going to be putting out a book that's going to be about the TBolts when they're calling it Dark Avengers. It's ridiculous to think it's not going to actually be more about the Dark Avengers.

And truthfully, even if it is really 50-50, that's still 50 percent of a book that's going to be about characters I have -- at *best* -- no interest in (and in the case of Luke Cage, hope die off panel). Unless Marvel wants to give me the book for half-price, that just doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

Shame, as I just started getting TBolts again after it stopped being a Luke Cage title. But there's not enough Songbird, and I don't need her playing second-fiddle to a bunch of knockoffs of characters that already have too many knockoffs, not to mention having to see Pym kowtow to Cage too now.

[Kurolegacy]

I'm curious to know if they will be calling themselves "Dark Avengers". That would strike me as very odd.Doubtful since they had never called themselves the Dark Avengers to begin with, only the Avengers. So chances are, they'll just call themselves the Thunderbolts.

Also, based on the preview pics, was June actually doing magic? Since when could she do that, cuz it never made any sense why she of all people was Dark Scarlet Witch. Nice to see that Dark Spider-Man got web shooters though.

[chariset]

Also, based on the preview pics, was June actually doing magic? Since when could she do that, cuz it never made any sense why she of all people was Dark Scarlet Witch.

I noticed that too. June never had magic. She just had really warped genetic experiments.

Maybe she has some wrist-mounted whatsits that give off a light show.

[LRN]

Seems quite promising. The situation with Clor and the rest of them still reminds me of the Reddmers and their eventual fate. Oh well, we'll wait and see.

Mach-V becoming more prominent to the story would be most welcome too.

[wiski]

Why do people think this is bad art? Is it because it's not hyper realistic?

I despise hyper realistic art but I also do not enjoy Shalvey's art. I understand it's his style, but it just looks rushed, unfinished and lacks detail. I greatly enjoy Walker's art though.

(some of my favorite artists include Ottley, Guillory, Ramos and Wegener, to demonstrate I enjoy non hyper realistic art)

[Lascoden]

I like the art. Very nice, very simplistic. A lot like Samnee's work, which I love. Though, there are some oddities. Like, what is up with Toxic Doxie's ass in the page where she's casting a spell?

[ian33407]

well I must be the last man on earth thrilled about these Dark Avengers..

I never completely liked the idea to make some of the most interesting vilains of the MU (Fixer, especially) these nice and polished and fashionized..dunno,things.

I only started to get interested about TB with Ellis and Deodato' run which is a total masterpiece -something Marvel still didn't reach despite having Mike D everywhere, I'll never claim it enough..so I'm totally okay for these new misfits (Dark Spidey ?? yes baby, sure.. Clor?..darling, I didn't dare to ask... Skaar ?? girl you really got me now...).. The very last thing that anoys me is John Walker' fate, but it seems he tooks his decision.. Well, dunno, I'd like to see someone in the US AGENT uniform anyway, rather than Luke Cage leading the team.. I think he shouldn't have been put too far out from NA.. Not saying it isn't working, but it just feels a little throated to me..

[Songbird/Diamondback]

well I must the last man on earth thrilled about these Dark Avengers..

I never completely liked the idea to make some of the most interesting vilains of the MU (Fixer, especially) these nice and polished and fashionized..dunno,things.
I only started to get interested about TB with Ellis and Deodato' run which is a total masterpiece -something Marvel hasn't still have reached despite having Mike D everywhere, I'll never claim it enough..so I'm totally okay for these new misfits (Dark Spidey ?? yes baby, sure.. Clor?..darling, Ididn't dare to ask... Skaar ?? girl you really got me now...).. The very last thing which annoys me is John Walker' fate, but it seems he tooks his decision.. Well, dunno, I'd like to see someone in the US AGENT uniform anyway, rather than Luke Cage leading the team.. I think he shouldn't have been put too far out from NA, that works but that's just a little throated to me..

Fixer was not really that good or bad of a guy. He was neutral. He only went with the side that offered him more interesting things to do.

[ian33407]

Fixer was not really that good or bad of a guy. He was neutral. He only went with the side that offered him more interesting things to do.

yeah, guess I prefered the first one actually..I'm convinced "a" Fixer is more interesting as a vilain, and that a TB-team should remain nothing else excepted a bunch of bad-asses... I remember having read in interview that Tom B dreams often to add Cable to the Avengers..I think in contrary Cable would be perfect for such roster

[Songbird/Diamondback]

yeah, guess I prefered the first one actually..I'm convinced "a" Fixer is more interesting as a vilain, and that TB-team should remain nothing else excepted a bunch of bad-asses... I remember having read in interview that Tom B dreams often to add Cable to the Avengers..I think in contrary Cable would be perfect for such roster

Well of course Cable will join eventually. It's always the next most popular character that will join the Avengers.

[ian33407]

Well of course Cable will join eventually. It's always the next most popular character that will join the Avengers.

what ???... then you mean I'm not THAT clever ?????

dude, what's the problem ??

didn't I always been cool about you ??




that hurts man, y'know ..

[Songbird/Diamondback]

what ???... then you mean I'm not THAT clever ?????

dude, what's the problem ??

didn't I always been cool about you ??

that hurts man, y'know ..

That wasn't meant to be a jab. I was just saying that Cable will likely become an Avenger down the line.

[Swashbuckler]

I feel like this book definitely needed some sort of revamp, but going with Bendis latest Dark Avengers is not the answer in my opinion. The time-travelling stuff seems to have been going on for WAY too long and solo issues about Songbird/Cage have not been enough to make the series good, especially when they don't seem to be building back to a connected story. Also, this art is not good. Not bad, but not good. It's very bland if you ask me.