Wolverine and the X-men # 10 Preview

[fod_xp]

I'm not sure if you're not being dense on purpose here, but anyway, assuming you're serious : Phoenix has never been about trust and comraderie. It's all about what the entity wants at the moment and how strong-willed the host actually is.

And I said the Host benefited from its close friends trust and support. The HOST is strengthened; therefore able to better control the rushes of the Phoenix Force. A person, such as Rachel or Jean, was personally and mentally fortified by having her closest friends and loved ones have trust in her and her abilities, and from that became stronger willed and better able to handle the entity.

[Dr. Sonic]

I'm not sure if you're not being dense on purpose here, but anyway, assuming you're serious : Phoenix has never been about trust and comraderie. It's all about what the entity wants at the moment and how strong-willed the host actually is.

I'm not sure if you're not being a troll on purpose here, but anyway, assuming you're serious : show some manners.

[Dr. Sonic]

What are the odds that Kitty and Emma will exchange insults this issue.

Good question, Optic Blast. I think the odds are near 100% and are likely to do with Frost not being available to teach the ethics class at the Jean Grey School.

[AnthonyJ]

I'm not sure if you're not being dense on purpose here, but anyway, assuming you're serious : Phoenix has never been about trust and comraderie. It's all about what the entity wants at the moment and how strong-willed the host actually is.
And the Phoenix seems to be a fan of seeking out people with poor self-control. Hence the reason it picked Hope rather than someone with more experience...

[sweetdumbass]

And I said the Host benefited from its close friends trust and support. The HOST is strengthened; therefore able to better control the rushes of the Phoenix Force. A person, such as Rachel or Jean, was personally and mentally fortified by having her closest friends and loved ones have trust in her and her abilities, and from that became stronger willed and better able to handle the entity.
No matter how loved she was, Jean had to take her own life to insure the Phoenix doesn't destroy the universe. It wasn't about her having friends that trusted her but simply the Force was too strong. The only time friendship, love, faith or whatever you want to call it factored in a Phoenix story was Endsong, and as it turns out that wasn't Jean but simply Phoenix without a host being needy.
Rachel and NXM Jean controlled the Phoenix just fine because they were strong-willed. Logan even stabbed Rachel because he didn't trust her judgement but that didn't make her snap and go Dark Phoenix.

[manymade1]

Good question, Optic Blast. I think the odds are near 100% and are likely to do with Frost not being available to teach the ethics class at the Jean Grey School.

Goodness I hope they do that bring that up this issue. Isn't the class called "Forgetting what Miss Frost taught you"?

[fod_xp]

No matter how loved she was, Jean had to take her own life to insure the Phoenix doesn't destroy the universe. It wasn't about her having friends that trusted her but simply the Force was too strong. The only time friendship, love, faith or whatever you want to call it factored in a Phoenix story was Endsong, and as it turns out that wasn't Jean but simply Phoenix without a host being needy.
Rachel and NXM Jean controlled the Phoenix just fine because they were strong-willed. Logan even stabbed Rachel because he didn't trust her judgement but that didn't make her snap and go Dark Phoenix.

I don't count Endsong as canon, I was referring to Grant Morrison's New X-Men, he wrote a great team dynamic that showed in the end, that team became very close. Logan always solves his problems by stabbing it, but he was in the wrong with Rachel, as she demonstrated good control over the Phoenix Force during her stint as a team member of Excalibur. Those are the two canon books I am citing.

[Henry T.]

No matter how loved she was, Jean had to take her own life to insure the Phoenix doesn't destroy the universe. It wasn't about her having friends that trusted her but simply the Force was too strong. The only time friendship, love, faith or whatever you want to call it factored in a Phoenix story was Endsong, and as it turns out that wasn't Jean but simply Phoenix without a host being needy.
Rachel and NXM Jean controlled the Phoenix just fine because they were strong-willed. Logan even stabbed Rachel because he didn't trust her judgement but that didn't make her snap and go Dark Phoenix.

That was the real Jean in Endsong, no matter what Brevoort says.

Jean even got separated from the Phoenix Force for a while in that story. The Phoenix Force left Jean's body and went into Emma. Jean awoke from the ice and fought the Phoenix Force.

There is no way that story makes sense unless Jean was Jean in it.

[Dr. Sonic]

Goodness I hope they do that bring that up this issue. Isn't the class called "Forgetting what Miss Frost taught you"?

The ethics class was taken over by adjunct faculty-member Walter 'Sasquatch' Langkowski, but he's still wears Emma's Victoria Secret lingerie so to maintain a sense of continuity...

[Perfection/Emma 2]

This is a issue of WATX I will be buying. DIVA ASSEMBLE, Emma, Storm, Magik, Kitty, Rogue, Rachel, Danger,, Boom Boom, Domino. I just wish Pixie had a piece of this cake.

[sweetdumbass]

@fod : Yeah well trust and friendship didn't factor in Morrisson Phoenix story.
@ Henry T : Yeah I know that, just messing around.

[fod_xp]

@fod : Yeah well trust and friendship didn't factor in Morrisson Phoenix story.
@ Henry T : Yeah I know that, just messing around.

It did, go read it a few more times, you'll find all sorts of things from several re-reads. There's a thread around here devoted to his run and many of us Grant Morrison New X-Men fans discuss the run and all the new things we learn from each re-read.

[donsey]

I hope we get a Kitty and Illyana interaction out of this.

[xhx23x]

I hope we get a Kitty and Illyana interaction out of this.

Kitty's going to love hearing all about how Illyana's sharing a cot with Peter in the X-Brig.

[sweetdumbass]

It did, go read it a few more times, you'll find all sorts of things from several re-reads. There's a thread around here devoted to his run and many of us Grant Morrison New X-Men fans discuss the run and all the new things we learn from each re-read.
I really don't see how Beast or Wolverine helped Jean keep control of the Phoenix when she didn't struggle for said control in the first place. The whole story as I understood it (and I might be wrong since I am no expert on Jean/Phoenix history) was about Jean awakening to the Phoenix potential that was dormant inside her and part of her DNA. I don't see what friendship's gotta do with that.

[MartinRedmond]

This is a issue of WATX I will be buying. DIVA ASSEMBLE, Emma, Storm, Magik, Kitty, Rogue, Rachel, Danger,, Boom Boom, Domino. I just wish Pixie had a piece of this cake.

Glitter flying everywhere.

[Phoenix Egg]

I really don't see how Beast or Wolverine helped Jean keep control of the Phoenix when she didn't struggle for said control in the first place. The whole story as I understood it (and I might be wrong since I am no expert on Jean/Phoenix history) was about Jean awakening to the Phoenix potential that was dormant inside her and part of her DNA. I don't see what friendship's gotta do with that.

None of that dna potential stuff is true anymore, dumbass.

[Dr. Sonic]

release the Jean bomb!

[sweetdumbass]

Screw continuity/interviews/Marvel. I will think what I want to think. And keep it to myself cuz I know how most debates about Jean end on the forum.

[Blue_Collar_Nerd]

Any clues as to why Summers is at the school?

And look...Kitty and Logan are between Scott's eyes and the statue.


I expect Logan to be blasted.

I suspect they are there to take advantage of poor confused Rachel's notion that Cyclops is her father even though they are several realities removed so they can have her use the Westchester Cerebra to find Hope. Also, I would imagine to stir up shit up in the ranks at the JGSHL.

I for one can't wait to see the look on Cyclops face when he sees the Marvel Girl statue.

And when this all blows over, that we get to see Emma crawl to Kitty and beg for a job. :evilsmile:


Also, I do hope Aaron won't go the Chris Yost way and poorly write characters, such as Emma and Scott, to try and make Logan look good. I like Emma and Scott. Logan was always my least favorite Astonishing X-Men member. I enjoyed that Whedon and Ellis wrote him as the comedic putz with a penchant for gutting his problems and pounding down a beer.

Aaron often writes Logan as a fuck-up who often makes things worse for himself and others.

[mikekerrIII]

They're not after ALL mutants, the Avengers are after Hope.

Would that matter? Racheal hunted Mutants one at a time and for reasons that make as much sense

[mikekerrIII]

And the Phoenix seems to be a fan of seeking out people with poor self-control. Hence the reason it picked Hope rather than someone with more experience...

Have you ever even been near a X-book?

[Ebon Phantom]

Damn, seeing him draw the battle really makes me wish Bachalo was doing the main series. Love how Magik's portal is drawn and Emma looking so smug.

[yanapryde]

Damn, seeing him draw the battle really makes me wish Bachalo was doing the main series. Love how Magik's portal is drawn and Emma looking so smug.

Given Bachalo's extremely kinetic style, that battle rendering had potential to be a fangled MESS.
He really reigned it in for a nice, clean, readable battle shot. And that reveal of Scott, Em and Magik is glorious.

[fod_xp]

I really don't see how Beast or Wolverine helped Jean keep control of the Phoenix when she didn't struggle for said control in the first place. The whole story as I understood it (and I might be wrong since I am no expert on Jean/Phoenix history) was about Jean awakening to the Phoenix potential that was dormant inside her and part of her DNA. I don't see what friendship's gotta do with that.

The Imperial arc is a good arc to start with. Morrison wrote a lot of interpersonal dialogue between the characters where they would console each other and the result was greater internal strength. It's there, but it's subtle and not "in your face and all over the place" like it was in Endsong.

[manymade1]

Thinking about it now when was the last time Kitty and Illyana really talked as friends?

[yanapryde]

Thinking about it now when was the last time Kitty and Illyana really talked as friends?

As friends? Like...friends of the same age and not when Kitty was like her babysitter?

Well before Inferno and the de-aging.
Gosh...maybe during the Mutant Massacre arc?

[AcesX1X]

kitty and illyana are not friends anymore. not only does kitty think that illyana is a monster wearing her friend's face, but she blames her for saddling her boyfriend with a demonic std.

[DexterSinister]

I really don't see how Beast or Wolverine helped Jean keep control of the Phoenix when she didn't struggle for said control in the first place. The whole story as I understood it (and I might be wrong since I am no expert on Jean/Phoenix history) was about Jean awakening to the Phoenix potential that was dormant inside her and part of her DNA. I don't see what friendship's gotta do with that.

The phoenix originally was what Jean called herself when she became crazy powerful the life bird thing is just a retcon, I think they made it separate as a way of bringing her back not sure on that one but it seems reasonable. The friendship thing is because she finally snapped when she thought Scott was dead.

[DevilishRogue]

And Kitty has no real opinion on any of this? Not X-force? Not Hope? She was angry when he stabbed Rachel. Kitty has been declawed. What a bunch of fools.

[yanapryde]

And Kitty has no real opinion on any of this? Not X-force? Not Hope? She was angry when he stabbed Rachel. Kitty has been declawed. What a bunch of fools.

Miss Independent became a Marm after her pregnancy scare. Now she's all bows and curtsies.

[Dr. Sonic]

Kitty and Illyana are look two kids who were super tight friends during freshman year. Then they drifted apart with Illyana falling in with the too-much-mascara crowd and Kitty sticking out with the science nerds and mathletes. Now, as seniors, they just look at one another with disdain, trying to pretend that they were never friends at all.

[Blue_Collar_Nerd]

And Kitty has no real opinion on any of this? Not X-force? Not Hope? She was angry when he stabbed Rachel. Kitty has been declawed. What a bunch of fools.

Form the looks of the Legacy #266 preview, Kitty may be baring her claws at a handful of Avengers.
Still, There's a lot about Kitty and her currents state that needs to be resolved: X-Force, Illiyana, her mentally unstable co-headmaster, Kurt's death and his asshole replacement, not to mention her possible connection to the "Bamfs" that she has a history with that showed up out of nowhere. Hopefully we'll get some resolution in the Illiyana front in this issue.

[bladeofdarkness]

there is this awesome sequence during the "Torn" storyarc in Astonishing where we get a look at how Kitty would react should someone come along and try to take her child away for the worlds protection.
considering that the Avengers basically are doing exactly that to the X-men (not Kitty's child, but pretty much the X-men's child), I'm surprised by how tame her response is.

and then there's the entire "Kids should stay out of battle, whether they like it or not" angle that goes completely against Kitty's character, given how she responded to Prof X's attempts to pull her off the team on the same basis.

Kitty needs more screen time and a writer who actually knows she's NOT suppose to be Logan's yes-woman.

[Optic Rage]

Agreed. Headmistress Pryde has been a complete dud so far. She hasn't had an inappropriate outbursts in ages.

[AcesX1X]

Agreed. Headmistress Pryde has been a complete dud so far. She hasn't had an inappropriate outbursts in ages.

hopefully, she has some sort of outburst in watx.

[Phoenix Egg]

Agreed. Headmistress Pryde has been a complete dud so far. She hasn't had an inappropriate outbursts in ages.

Maybe Professor Logan isn't a jerk.

[darknessatnoon]

In issue 1, she threatened to "crucify" the first student who annoyed her. It was blatant anti-Christian intolerance from her.

[yanapryde]

Agreed. Headmistress Pryde has been a complete dud so far. She hasn't had an inappropriate outbursts in ages.

She should AT LEAST be dishing out some detention for some of these idiot kids. Hellion and Glob must have some harrassment complaints and you know Kid Gladiator is pissing somebody off. C'mon. Get your Angry Jewess Screech on, Pryde.

[Dr. Sonic]

She should AT LEAST be dishing out some detention for some of these idiot kids. Hellion and Glob must have some harrassment complaints and you know Kid Gladiator is pissing somebody off. C'mon. Get your Angry Jewess Screech on, Pryde.

Not sure what you guys are talking about. Quire has spent much of the series in detention (guarded by Lockheed no less); Glob and Hellion are constantly in trouble (their punishment is usually extra dangerroom minutes); and Kitty has already slipped up in referring to Broo as a 'sleazoid' at least once on panel and likely a dozen times between issues.

[Predabot]

Doesn't anyone care about the X-men's original mission statement of Protecting the world that hates and fears them anymore ? :frown: That dream died with Charles Xavier.

This is not his X-men, it is a new dream. Scott Summers dream. A dream of fire... heat... of tumultuous change.

He has subjugated Magneto and half the Hellfire Club into his cadre, so now all he needs to do is lay down his trite enmity with Sinister, and recruit the easily-affected KidPocalypse to have a complete set of the X-men's deadliest villains under his tumb.

[CMBMOOL]

That dream died with Charles Xavier.

This is not his X-men, it is a new dream. Scott Summers dream. A dream of fire... heat... of tumultuous change.

He has subjugated Magneto and half the Hellfire Club into his cadre, so now all he needs to do is lay down his trite enmity with Sinister, and recruit the easily-affected KidPocalypse to have a complete set of the X-men's deadliest villains under his tumb.

And be seen as the very threat that the X-men use to face against. :frown:

[mikekerrIII]

And be seen as the very threat that the X-men use to face against. :frown:

No the Avengers took that role, and Cyke's main dream and the only one that matters is the survival of his people.

[DexterSinister]

That dream died with Charles Xavier.

This is not his X-men, it is a new dream. Scott Summers dream. A dream of fire... heat... of tumultuous change.

He has subjugated Magneto and half the Hellfire Club into his cadre, so now all he needs to do is lay down his trite enmity with Sinister, and recruit the easily-affected KidPocalypse to have a complete set of the X-men's deadliest villains under his tumb.

Which is awesome and since Mastermind is dead Pixie being his daughter is the next best thing.

[Jackraow21]

Bachalo's art looks great here!

[darknessatnoon]

That dream died with Charles Xavier.

This is not his X-men, it is a new dream. Scott Summers dream. A dream of fire... heat... of tumultuous change.


So poetic. I feel the hurt.

[Ebon Phantom]

That dream died with Charles Xavier.

This is not his X-men, it is a new dream. Scott Summers dream. A dream of fire... heat... of tumultuous change.

He has subjugated Magneto and half the Hellfire Club into his cadre, so now all he needs to do is lay down his trite enmity with Sinister, and recruit the easily-affected KidPocalypse to have a complete set of the X-men's deadliest villains under his tumb. So the whole saving people from Sinister, staring down the Celestials, dealing with the Phalanx and then the dozens of escape Sword prisoners while interacting and aiding mankind was all for play?

[MartinRedmond]

Can't wait, the artwork is looking divine.

[fod_xp]

Bachelo delivers on the art. I'm with MartinRedmond, this art is looking divine!

[jarrod]

Kitty and Illyana are look two kids who were super tight friends during freshman year. Then they drifted apart with Illyana falling in with the too-much-mascara crowd and Kitty sticking out with the science nerds and mathletes. Now, as seniors, they just look at one another with disdain, trying to pretend that they were never friends at all.

Except that isn't Illyana. It's a demon's walking talking spell that faked her face and stole her soul. Can't fool FPOTUS Pryde. <3<3

[fod_xp]

Except that isn't Illyana. It's a demon's walking talking spell that faked her face and stole her soul. Can't fool FPOTUS Pryde. <3<3

So is that still Belasco in Illyana's "body?"

[mikekerrIII]

So the whole saving people from Sinister, staring down the Celestials, dealing with the Phalanx and then the dozens of escape Sword prisoners while interacting and aiding mankind was all for play?

To Avengers fans nothing counts that doesn't affect the Avengers

[MartinRedmond]

Even if it's a demon, she is smart and should be an ally, not an enemy. Anyway, gotta love how when Anole and the NXM didn't trust her they were labelled whinny little ****** but now that she double crossed the straight NM clique all of a sudden she's enemy #1 ah ah.

[darknessatnoon]

Even if it's a demon, she is smart and should be an ally, not an enemy. Anyway, gotta love how when Anole and the NXM didn't trust her they were labelled whinny little ****** but now that she double crossed the straight NM clique all of a sudden she's enemy #1 ah ah.

I know. For evidence, go back to the New Mutants #1 (Zeb Wells) review thread.

[Dr. Sonic]

Wait, I'm confused. Illyana's not Illyana, she's a devil or Belesco or whomever? I thought she was still herself, but a changed version of herself sans a soul or at least part of her soul. What's the deal?

[MartinRedmond]

She's a magical creature, so she has no rights to her dignity, unlike Mutants.

[xhx23x]

Wait, I'm confused. Illyana's not Illyana, she's a devil or Belesco or whomever? I thought she was still herself, but a changed version of herself sans a soul or at least part of her soul. What's the deal?

I guess it all depends what you consider makes a person. To me, if she has her bangs, it's close enough.

[darknessatnoon]

Wait, I'm confused. Illyana's not Illyana, she's a devil or Belesco or whomever? I thought she was still herself, but a changed version of herself sans a soul or at least part of her soul. What's the deal?

No. That's Magik 2.0, a copy created out of Belasco's evil rib. She has stolen pieces of an alternate Ilyanna's soul. It's complicated, but Gillen has stated that he likes her artificial hybrid nature, the melange of her. In any case, that's not the same girl Kitty roomed with.

[Dr. Sonic]

I guess it all depends what you consider makes a person. To me, if she has her bangs, it's close enough.

Well, yeah, but what I'm asking is it a demon pretending to be Illyana or is an altered version of her, changed by her time in limbo?

[jarrod]

So is that still Belasco in Illyana's "body?"

Yes. Belasco is prison fucking Colossus.

[Dr. Sonic]

No. That's Magik 2.0, a copy created out of Belasco's evil rib. She has stolen pieces of an alternate Ilyanna's soul. It's complicated, but Gillen has stated that he likes her artificial hybrid nature, the melange of her. In any case, that's not the same girl Kitty roomed with.

bloody hell. that's terrible.

[darknessatnoon]

Well, yeah, but what I'm asking is it a demon pretending to be Illyana or is an altered version of her, changed by her time in limbo?

It's a construct of Ilyanna, who is less inhuman now that it has pieces of a human soul. See X-Infernus.

Here's Gillen's take:


"Thirdly, I was just really interested in her current status quo. She was a reconstruct of someone. She did something that was incredibly, incredibly dangerous for purely selfish reasons. She got most of her soul back. So... who is she now? By definition, she isn't the same person who did that thing. Who is she now *really*? How can we be sure? That's all kinds of dramatically interesting."

[xhx23x]

Yes. Belasco is prison fucking Colossus.

Demon orgy at the X-Brig! I hope Danger lets Unit watch.

[Deus ex Chris]

She's as Illyana as she needs to be. She's a crazy, manipulative, devil-worshipping bitch from hell--literally.

And she has the bangs. That's all I need.

[jarrod]

Demon orgy at the X-Brig! I hope Danger lets Unit watch.
I'm sure they watch as a couple. <3<3

[MartinRedmond]

Well, yeah, but what I'm asking is it a demon pretending to be Illyana or is an altered version of her, changed by her time in limbo?

Demons are such shape shifters, after a while does identity really matter?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bah, who cares about Kitty's feelings regarding Illyana's current state? She won't stand up to folks attacking her extended family? Fine, whatever. She doesn't get to have any opinion until she does.

Seriously, it would be currently OOC for her to do more than fuss over poor sad Wolvie after Cyke blasts him for desecrating Jean's name.

[xhx23x]

Bah, who cares about Kitty's feelings regarding Illyana's current state? She won't stand up to folks attacking her extended family? Fine, whatever. She doesn't get to have any opinion until she does.

Seriously, it would be currently OOC for her to do more than fuss over poor sad Wolvie after Cyke blasts him for desecrating Jean's name.

She is verbally smacking the Avengers in Legacy.

[Jota]

Wolverine is TOTALLY a traitor. You may think he has a point, but you show up on the X-Men's front door with the Avengers, and you're a traitor.

The X-Men... who took in an short, hairy, ugly canadian with no memory and issues socializing and made him part of the family.

He spent years trying to f$%K Scott's girlfriend, then wife, and Scott still let him stick around and be part of the team. All of a sudden he has a change of heart BECAUSE HE KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN and he starts judging everyone for having become too much like him. He implies Scott is wrong for putting kids in danger and takes half the team to NY... where he names a school after Scott's dead wife!!!!

Then, after having done all of this to Scott over the years, and then judged him for having allegedly put kids in danger, Wolverine shows up with an invading force at the direction of a hostile government AND TRIES TO MURDER A KID!!!!!!!!!!!!! AFTER SAYING SCOTT WAS WRONG FOR JEOPARDIZING KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wolverine is a complete and utter traitor, and has basically been horrible to Scott since the day he met him. Wolverine is not the hero of this tale.

Summers must have the patience of a saint to not have strapped this guy down and slayed all the meat off his bones with optic blasts.Ok, while I do agree that Wolverine is a traitor, the rest of the post makes no sense.
Wolverine tried to kill Hope when he thought she was going Dark Phoenix. At that time, it didn't matter what age she was. To even put "keeping children safe" and "not killing one who's going to destroy the world" in the same ballpark, is retarded.
As for the name of the school, the guy who cheated on Jean, jumped into a relationship with another woman five minutes after she died and kissed that woman on JEAN'S GRAVE, has no right to have a say in what anybody does in her memory. If he's pissed of because someone decided to associate her with something positive, like a school, instead of sh*ting on her, like he's been doing since she died, that's his problem. Unlike him, there are people who like and respect his wife.

Cyclops fans in WATXM threads, are like that psychotic ex-girlfriend who keeps calling every night. Emma could screw every other man in the planet and they wouldn't fell half as betrayed as they did when Wolverine left. Come on people, you have to be fair. Logan never told Scott he was the only one. Sometimes, people just aren't for a serious relationship. Sometimes, you just have to let them go, man! Sometimes... you just have to let them go.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Ok, while I do agree that Wolverine is a traitor, the rest of the post makes no sense.
Wolverine tried to kill Hope when he thought she was going Dark Phoenix. At that time, it didn't matter what age she was. To even put "keeping children safe" and "not killing one who's going to destroy the world" in the same ballpark, is retarded.
As for the name of the school, the guy who cheated on Jean, jumped into a relationship with another woman five minutes after she died and kissed that woman on JEAN'S GRAVE, has no right to have a say in what anybody does in her memory. If he's pissed of because someone decided to associate her with something positive, like a school, instead of sh*ting on her, like he's been doing since she died, that's his problem. Unlike him, there are people who like and respect his wife.

Cyclops fans in WATXM threads, are like that psychotic ex-girlfriend who keeps calling every night. Emma could screw every other man in the planet and they wouldn't fell half as betrayed as they did when Wolverine left. Come on people, you have to be fair. Logan never told Scott he was the only one. Sometimes, people just aren't for a serious relationship. Sometimes, you just have to let them go, man! Sometimes... you just have to let them go.

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/no%20no%20no/grand/paris_says_no_gif.gif

[Dr. Sonic]

Ok, while I do agree that Wolverine is a traitor, the rest of the post makes no sense.
Wolverine tried to kill Hope when he thought she was going Dark Phoenix. At that time, it didn't matter what age she was. To even put "keeping children safe" and "not killing one who's going to destroy the world" in the same ballpark, is retarded.
As for the name of the school, the guy who cheated on Jean, jumped into a relationship with another woman five minutes after she died and kissed that woman on JEAN'S GRAVE, has no right to have a say in what anybody does in her memory. If he's pissed of because someone decided to associate her with something positive, like a school, instead of sh*ting on her, like he's been doing since she died, that's his problem. Unlike him, there are people who like and respect his wife.

Cyclops fans in WATXM threads, are like that psychotic ex-girlfriend who keeps calling every night. Emma could screw every other man in the planet and they wouldn't fell half as betrayed as they did when Wolverine left. Come on people, you have to be fair. Logan never told Scott he was the only one. Sometimes, people just aren't for a serious relationship. Sometimes, you just have to let them go, man! Sometimes... you just have to let them go.

That is some crazy talk and I love it (except for using term 'retarded,' that's not cool). The anti-Wolverine rhetoric on these boards has gotten out of control and all for fighting fire with fire.