The 25 Greatest Avengers Stories according to IGN

[Havok83]

Unlike the previous list, this one was actually decided by IGN editors and not fan voted

http://comics.ign.com/articles/122/1224129p1.html

[Maximum Impact]

That was a great read, thanks for posting it up. Many of those storylines I have already, but a trip to my lcs is definitely in order.

[Frank]

Those editors should get jobs doing something else.

[Telos]

We should make it a board rule that IGN lists aren't allowed to be posted. They're consistently awful.

(That was a joke, by the way.)

[Mr Parker]

How was Marvel Civil War only 23rd?

I mean it was a huge turning point for many, many characters in the Earth-616 Universe.

[Telos]

How was Marvel Civil War only 23rd?

I mean it was a huge turning point for many, many characters in the Earth-616 Universe.

It was full of plot holes, crazy leaps in logic and riddled with mischaracterization.

For example:
What was Captain America trying to achieve with the Secret Avengers (anti-reg team)? Obviously he was against the Superhuman Registration Act, but what was his actual plan? Was it as basic as "beat up Tony and hope that changes his mind"?
Why did Maria Hill order her agents to open fire on Captain America in Civil War #1? He hadn't broken any laws, merely stated he did not support hunting down unregistered superheroes. The SHRA hadn't even been passed at this point.
When Captain America and Falcon rescue the Young Avengers, what was their plan? Was their plan to rely on a stressed-out Wiccan to teleport them?
Why was Tony Stark pro-registration? He's always had a history of being against government interference in superheroic matters - see Iron Man: Armor Wars. The teams themselves seemed almost randomly allocated.
Why did the Pro-Registration team recruit convicted murderers like the Thunderbolts to hunt down the Anti-Registration team? Did they not realise it was horribly amoral?
Speaking of horribly amoral, what about keeping unregistered heroes in the 42 prison in the Negative Zone? No due process, no trial, just locked up and given the option of registering or rotting.


I could go on and on and on.

The premise, pacing and art were great, but that didn't make up for the often terrible writing.

[Mr Parker]

It was full of plot holes, crazy leaps in logic and riddled with mischaracterization.

The premise, pacing and art were great, but that didn't make up for the often terrible writing.

I loved Civil War :)

I'm fairly new to actually taking notice of the comics I read... I've always read Marvel Comics but only dibs-and-dabs and in random orders, don't get me wrong I think I know a bit about the Marvel universes but I'm certainly no expert, so if there were plot holes and crazy logical leaps in Civil War I'd probably have missed them.

I just think 23rd is a bit low...

[Telos]

I loved Civil War :)

I'm fairly new to actually taking notice of the comics I read... I've always read Marvel Comics but only dibs-and-dabs and in random orders, don't get me wrong I think I know a bit about the Marvel universes but I'm certainly no expert, so if there were plot holes and crazy logical leaps in Civil War I'd probably have missed them.

I just think 23rd is a bit low...

Well, if you're new I can understand why you would enjoy Civil War. I really liked it too when I first started reading.

However, if you go back and read some of the older stories the characters are in, a lot of Civil War doesn't make sense. The characters' motivations don't ring true at all. There are many, many better stories than Civil War. It probably shouldn't be on the list at all.

Sorry if my post came off as a little hostile :redface:

[Lord Bravery]

Civil War is garbage. Good concept, terrible execution. It's probably THE perfect example of changing characters unnaturally just to fit a story line.

Tony Stark becoming a government stooge and borderline fascist? Errr... wha...?

Stark, Richards and Pym cloning one of their best friends to use as a weapon of mass destruction and a tool to intimidate their former friends? Errr... wha...?

Hunting down former allies with more zeal than they did with super villains? Locking former allies up in a prison that makes the Raft look like Disney Land? Errr... wha...?

Captain America, super soldier, going to war without any real plan or "end game". Which anyone with any military experience would tell you is a massive no no. You never go to war without an "end game".

I could go on and on and on. Civil War was terrible. But oh cool, it had heroes fighting heroes and awesome art!

[Mr Parker]

Well, if you're new I can understand why you would enjoy Civil War. I really liked it too when I first started reading.

However, if you go back and read some of the older stories the characters are in, a lot of Civil War doesn't make sense. The characters' motivations don't ring true at all. There are many, many better stories than Civil War. It probably shouldn't be on the list at all.

Sorry if my post came off as a little hostile :redface:

Yeah I really need to go back and read some pre-Civil War stuff... No, no not at all, your posts were perfectly fine :)


Civil War is garbage. Good concept, terrible execution. It's probably THE perfect example of changing characters unnaturally just to fit a story line.

Tony Stark becoming a government stooge and borderline fascist? Errr... wha...?

Stark, Richards and Pym cloning one of their best friends to use as a weapon of mass destruction and a tool to intimidate their former friends? Errr... wha...?

Hunting down former allies with more zeal than they did with super villains? Locking former allies up in a prison that makes the Raft look like Disney Land? Errr... wha...?

Captain America, super soldier, going to war without any real plan or "end game". Which anyone with any military experience would tell you is a massive no no. You never go to war without an "end game".

I could go on and on and on. Civil War was terrible. But oh cool, it had heroes fighting heroes and awesome art!

I was surprised that they cloned Thor, that was weird...
I can see now how unrealistic it was in it's presentation, as you've said, cool art etc but that's about it.

[Nomads1]

Wow, that's a terrible List. I Loved Kang Dynasty, but no way does it beat Under Seige and Ultron Unlimited. Plus, Pet Avengers, GLA Missassembled, and a couple of Bendis' trainwrecks (though, no doubt, IMHO, his best work with Avengers, so I can let them slide, but the other two, no way), but no love for Assault on Olympus, The Gatherers saga and the Serpent Crown saga? Wrong, definitively wrong. Really, if IGN is going to continue doing Avengers lists, they definitely need to getr people who have actually read Avengers.

Peace

[Panic]

They didn't even put in the original Nefaria storyline, which is definitely one of my faves.

[Havok83]

Really, if IGN is going to continue doing Avengers lists, they definitely need to getr people who have actually read Avengers.

Peace

Next up the Top 25 Avengers villians. The Void at #1

[Nomads1]

Next up the Top 25 Avengers villians. The Void at #1

With the Hood and Norman Osborn respectively taking up spots #2 and #3.

Peace

[Lord Bravery]

Don't. Just... don't. :'(

[chariset]

Glad to see the Defenders got some love.

[nosocialize100]

I've been doing research on Avengers the last few weeks since my site is doing an Avengers week theme, and I'm surprised by this list too. For sure I thought Under Seige would be number 1. Little surprised how high Ultimates is too.

[Bad Wolf]

Lots of recent stories that I haven't read on this list. (I think the most recent I've read was "Breakout", and while I enjoyed it well enough, it wouldn't make my list.)

Nice to see "Nights of Wundagore" on there; that'd be my pick for #1.

[Nomads1]

While I may not agree personally with all the choices, or their ranking, I find this particular list much more thought out and realistic:
http://comicsvault.blogspot.com.br/2010/05/greatest-avengers-stories-ever-25-16.html.

Also, not a list per say, but a lot of good suggestions right from this very same forum.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?391773-All-Time-Favorite-Avengers-Story.


Peace

[Corey W]

While I may not agree personally with all the choices, or their ranking, I find this particular list much more thought out and realistic:
http://comicsvault.blogspot.com.br/2010/05/greatest-avengers-stories-ever-25-16.html.

Also, not a list per say, but a lot of good suggestions right from this very same forum.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?391773-All-Time-Favorite-Avengers-Story.


Peace

I love lists in genearl and liked both the IGN and Vault lists. While Civil War is unlikely to make my list, I certainly couldn't say it doesn't belong on someone else's. I thought both lists mentioned several stories that I wouldn't necessarily have thought of and that was fun.

[passer-by]

Wow, that's a terrible List. I Loved Kang Dynasty, but no way does it beat Under Seige and Ultron Unlimited. Plus, Pet Avengers, GLA Missassembled, and a couple of Bendis' trainwrecks (though, no doubt, IMHO, his best work with Avengers, so I can let them slide, but the other two, no way), but no love for Assault on Olympus, The Gatherers saga and the Serpent Crown saga? Wrong, definitively wrong. Really, if IGN is going to continue doing Avengers lists, they definitely need to getr people who have actually read Avengers.

Peace

They didn't even put in the original Nefaria storyline, which is definitely one of my faves.


More or less the way I feel too, plus Millar's Ultimates at #2? They're good, but I don't think they're THAT good.
I liked Bendis on DD and USM, but none of his Avengers work belongs in a Top 25 list IMO.
I laughed at the IGN comment on the first New Avengers storyarc (#17) though:

Bendis' Avengers run has certainly been a success, and it's one that is only now reaching its climax. But in a lot of ways, the series and its various offshoots were never more fresh and exciting than at the very beginning.




While I may not agree personally with all the choices, or their ranking, I find this particular list much more thought out and realistic:
http://comicsvault.blogspot.com.br/2010/05/greatest-avengers-stories-ever-25-16.html.


Yes, that one is much better (though it's not hard to top IGN lists). I wouldn't list them in that order, but the choices are very good (even though Operation: Galactic Storm is missing).

[havok1977]

Wow, that's a terrible List. I Loved Kang Dynasty, but no way does it beat Under Seige and Ultron Unlimited. Plus, Pet Avengers, GLA Missassembled, and a couple of Bendis' trainwrecks (though, no doubt, IMHO, his best work with Avengers, so I can let them slide, but the other two, no way), but no love for Assault on Olympus, The Gatherers saga and the Serpent Crown saga? Wrong, definitively wrong. Really, if IGN is going to continue doing Avengers lists, they definitely need to getr people who have actually read Avengers.

Peace


Yeah, pretty much. I can understand Bendis' work being in the list since it's both recent, popular and of passable quality... but GLA *and* Pet Avengers?!? wtf indeed.

[Lord Bravery]

Pet Avengers is better than anything Bendis has done on the title.

[marshal99]

Not a good list. A lot of other avengers storylines far better than what they come up with - Pet avengers ? GLA ?! WTF!

[This-is-the-Zodiac-speaking]

Fairly ropey list there IGN editors! What happened to the Nefaria trilogy? Under Seige and The Korvac Saga should be right up there, What about the bride of Ultron?...I'm sure there a load more too, just cant remember off the top of my head!!!

[Kieran_Frost]

Unlike the previous list, this one was actually decided by IGN editors and not fan voted
http://comics.ign.com/articles/122/1224129p1.html
I love how much the Thunderbolts play in "the Greatest Arcs"
#24 - Thunderbolts/Avengers crossover
#23 Civil War (Thunderbolts involved)
#11 Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers
#3 Under Siege (featuring all the founding Thunderbolts; in their most famous outing as the Masters of Evil)

I could even count #25 as a pre-Thunderbolts originating concept (redeeming former villains) and a nod to Avengers Forever for Songbird (written by the original Thunderbolts writer Kurt Busiek

Also THRILLED the Young Avengers made the "Top 10" :smile: