The New 52 Multiverse: What Would You Add & What Would Remove From The First 52 Multi

[Bill Lange]

Come Wednesday, the beginning of the New 52 Multiverse starts with the introduction of Earth-2, Worlds' Finest, and Action Comics #9. According to Dan DiDio, it is 52 Universes with Prime Earth at the center, all other Earths getting more divergent the farther away from the center.
Given what we know of the Post-52/Pre-Flashpoint Multiverse, what changes would you like to see time around? What Earths would like to see this time, and which of the Post-52/Pre-Flashpoint Earths would you like to see gone?

[blackphoenix]

I would like to see an Earth 0 that represents the DCU before the changes wrought by Flashpoint/Pandora(Hooded Woman). No stupid armors, no daughter of Zeus Wonder Woman, Wally is still around as the Flash, Donna Troy still exists, all the Golden Age heroes are there, Power Girl still has her original, non-sucky costume, etc.

[Bill Lange]

I would like to see an Earth 0 that represents the DCU before the changes wrought by Flashpoint/Pandora(Hooded Woman). No stupid armors, no daughter of Zeus Wonder Woman, Wally is still around as the Flash, Donna Troy still exists, all the Golden Age heroes are there, Power Girl still has her original, non-sucky costume, etc.

While I'm sympathetic to that, I'm willing to guess that one is not going to happen.

Although stranger thing could happen.

[the4thpip]

I would remove a lot of the angst and gore and add some all-ages fun.

[hunter_peterson]

Well, we already know there's a Shazam! Earth, the Ami-Comi Girls Earth, the Young Justice Earth and the general DCAU Earth out there. I'd say those count as all-ages, though some are more serious than others. I'd like to see more of this too, though.

That said, I want to see some CRAZY dark Earths. I want Earth 3/Crime Society, I want Vampire Earth, I want a horror Earth. (Not that the stories would have to be dark in tone, but the general concept is a screwed up one.) I honestly just want to see as much variance as possible. I really have liked that there's more to Earth 2 than just different characters, apparently. The laws of physics, computer code languages, flora and fauna, soft drinks and more are supposed to be different there. If that were the case for every world, that would be awesome.

[Tandaemonium]

I would like the Fringe Redverse Earth with zeppelins, no Sherlock Holmes, no Batman, Red Lantern and Red Arrow focus, and no coffee.

[Bill Lange]

I would remove a lot of the angst and gore and add some all-ages fun.

And that would get rid of not only the DCnU, but the Marvel Universe as well.

[Bill Lange]

Well, we already know there's a Shazam! Earth, the Ami-Comi Girls Earth, the Young Justice Earth and the general DCAU Earth out there. I'd say those count as all-ages, though some are more serious than others. I'd like to see more of this too, though.

That said, I want to see some CRAZY dark Earths. I want Earth 3/Crime Society, I want Vampire Earth, I want a horror Earth. (Not that the stories would have to be dark in tone, but the general concept is a screwed up one.) I honestly just want to see as much variance as possible. I really have liked that there's more to Earth 2 than just different characters, apparently. The laws of physics, computer code languages, flora and fauna, soft drinks and more are supposed to be different there. If that were the case for every world, that would be awesome.

Earth-3 is something to think about. If the Crime Syndicate are still in the Anti-Matter Universe, should there be a Crime Society on Earth-3, or will that cause too much confusion?

While I would enjoy a dark Earth, I have reservations about a Vampire Earth. The one thing I did not like about the Post-52/Pre-Flashpoint Multiverse was trying to jam in so many Elseworlds that the 52 Universes got filled up very quickly. I would prefer one horror type world with Vampires and anything else horror related on it.

I do like to see that the Laws of Physics will change from Universe to Universe, as is the current popular theory in in Quantum Physics.

[Bill Lange]

I would like the Fringe Redverse Earth with zeppelins, no Sherlock Holmes, no Batman, Red Lantern and Red Arrow focus, and no coffee.

Now that is a great idea.

[Black Hood]

This would be my ideal list:


Earth-0: Post-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-1: Earth One graphic novels
Earth-2: Earth Two comics
Earth-3: Crime Syndicate
Earth-4: Charlton universe
Earth-5: Shazam universe
Earth-6: Golden age universe
Earth-7: Silver age universe
Earth-8: Bronze age universe
Earth-9: Tangent universe
Earth-10: Nazi Superman universe
Earth-11: Reverse gender universe
Earth-12: Beyond universe (JL Beyond, Batman Beyond, Superman Beyond, etc.)
Earth-13: Fables universe
Earth-14: DC Kids universe (Batman: Brave and the Bold, Tiny Titans, etc.)
Earth-15: Utopian universe (all super-heroes retired)
Earth-16: Animated universe (Green Lantern, Young Justice, etc.)
Earth-17: Anime universe
Earth-18: Fables universe
Earth-19: Watchmen universe
Earth-20: Pulp universe
Earth-21: Super sons universe
Earth-22: Kingdom Come universe
Earth-23: President Superman universe
Earth-24: Horror themed universe
Earth-25: Smallville series and comic universe
Earth-26: Captain Carrot universe
Earth-27: Chibi universe (Like the one we saw in Superman/Batman)
Earth-28: Bizarro universe
...
Earth-44: 90s universe
Earth-45: Former Earth-Prime universe
Earth-46: Fringe universe
Earth-47: Parallel Fringe universe
Earth-48: Pre-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-49: Vertigo-esque universe
Earth-50: Original WildStorm universe
Earth-51: Kamandi & New Gods


The remaining designations would be filled with absurd universes, with different laws of physics and such, or new stories.

[Lexrules]

And that would get rid of not only the DCnU, but the Marvel Universe as well.

Why would you say that? Have we gotten so bad that we need those things in a comic book to enjoy them.

[Lexrules]

This would be my ideal list:


Earth-0: Post-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-1: Earth One graphic novels
Earth-2: Earth Two comics
Earth-3: Crime Syndicate
Earth-4: Charlton universe
Earth-5: Shazam universe
Earth-6: Golden age universe
Earth-7: Silver age universe
Earth-8: Bronze age universe
Earth-9: Tangent universe
Earth-10: Nazi Superman universe
Earth-11: Reverse gender universe
Earth-12: Beyond universe (JL Beyond, Batman Beyond, Superman Beyond, etc.)
Earth-13: Fables universe
Earth-14: DC Kids universe (Batman: Brave and the Bold, Tiny Titans, etc.)
Earth-15: Utopian universe (all super-heroes retired)
Earth-16: Animated universe (Green Lantern, Young Justice, etc.)
Earth-17: Anime universe
Earth-18: Fables universe
Earth-19: Watchmen universe
Earth-20: Pulp universe
Earth-21: Super sons universe
Earth-22: Kingdom Come universe
Earth-23: President Superman universe
Earth-24: Horror themed universe
Earth-25: Smallville series and comic universe
Earth-26: Captain Carrot universe
Earth-27: Chibi universe (Like the one we saw in Superman/Batman)
Earth-28: Bizarro universe
...
Earth-44: 90s universe
Earth-45: Former Earth-Prime universe
Earth-46: Fringe universe
Earth-47: Parallel Fringe universe
Earth-48: Pre-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-49: Vertigo-esque universe
Earth-50: Original WildStorm universe
Earth-51: Kamandi & New Gods


The remaining designations would be filled with absurd universes, with different laws of physics and such, or new stories.

Your Hired. You are now the new Editor in Chief of DC Comics. You have a better handle on this then Dan Didio ever could.

[Bill Lange]

Why would you say that? Have we gotten so bad that we need those things in a comic book to enjoy them.

Sorry, but I was saying that in jest. In other words, I completely agree with that idea of dumping those concepts.

[Bill Lange]

This would be my ideal list:


Earth-0: Post-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-1: Earth One graphic novels
Earth-2: Earth Two comics
Earth-3: Crime Syndicate
Earth-4: Charlton universe
Earth-5: Shazam universe
Earth-6: Golden age universe
Earth-7: Silver age universe
Earth-8: Bronze age universe
Earth-9: Tangent universe
Earth-10: Nazi Superman universe
Earth-11: Reverse gender universe
Earth-12: Beyond universe (JL Beyond, Batman Beyond, Superman Beyond, etc.)
Earth-13: Fables universe
Earth-14: DC Kids universe (Batman: Brave and the Bold, Tiny Titans, etc.)
Earth-15: Utopian universe (all super-heroes retired)
Earth-16: Animated universe (Green Lantern, Young Justice, etc.)
Earth-17: Anime universe
Earth-18: Fables universe
Earth-19: Watchmen universe
Earth-20: Pulp universe
Earth-21: Super sons universe
Earth-22: Kingdom Come universe
Earth-23: President Superman universe
Earth-24: Horror themed universe
Earth-25: Smallville series and comic universe
Earth-26: Captain Carrot universe
Earth-27: Chibi universe (Like the one we saw in Superman/Batman)
Earth-28: Bizarro universe
...
Earth-44: 90s universe
Earth-45: Former Earth-Prime universe
Earth-46: Fringe universe
Earth-47: Parallel Fringe universe
Earth-48: Pre-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-49: Vertigo-esque universe
Earth-50: Original WildStorm universe
Earth-51: Kamandi & New Gods


The remaining designations would be filled with absurd universes, with different laws of physics and such, or new stories.

I like this setup a lot, except I would add the New Frontier Universe somewhere.

[Lexrules]

Sorry, but I was saying that in jest. In other words, I completely agree with that idea of dumping those concepts.

Ops, My bad. I read it wrong then I guess.:)

[Bill Lange]

Ops, My bad. I read it wrong then I guess.:)

That all right. My bad for not making it clearer.

[Mathu87]

This might get a little hate, but, personally?

1. Ditch the multiverse concept. If the reboot was made, then try to not end up having to reboot again in 20 years.

2. The New 52 should really have been the New 20, or 25... I know, the more to sell the better, but c'mon...

[Perfection/Emma 2]

The Teen Titans Are

Donna, Raven, Starfire, Dick, Victor, and Beast Boy

Voodoo has her old powers from her Wildstorm days "My only con with Voodoo is her being an alien. She was way cooler with her God Like powers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_(Wildstorm)

The Bird of Prey are Black Canary, Huntress, Black Hawk, Oracle, and Dove

The Outsider are Grace, Thunder, Arsernal, Argent, Jessie Quick, That Gorilla guy, and Starman

[Jon Clark]

I'd add in an infinite number of universes- with the caveat that most of them remain unnamed and unnumbered.

If someone wants Batman to have an adventure on a world where there were no shrimp, then fine have at it. But there is no reason for that world to become a recurring part of the DCnU. By the same logic there is no reason that Superman:Red Son, Justice Riders, New Frontier, ... have to be assigned special worlds unless a writer is insistent those stories should be crossed over with the current characters on a regular basis. Otherwise just have a story where the JLA encounter versions of themself in the Old West or the 1950's and move on to the next story.

Earth-2 makes sense if you are setting an on-going JSA series there or having annual JLA/JSA crossovers. It makes no sense if you plan to do Flash of Two Worlds and then never go back. It just becomes a place Barry visited one time that had a speedster.

The named and numbered worlds would be left for the writers to develop. If Grant Morrison wants to set up Earth 5 for a future Shazam series or for a major arc of Action Comics then as long as he has longterm plans for it he gets to name it and develop it. If another writer or group of writers comes up with an alternate Earth that they keep returning to then they can name it after a few uses. But there shouldn't be Earths introduced and fleshed out in detail before they have a need (like a gender-reversed JLA being given Earth 11 just to lock up the concept).

[_Pandora_]

0. Earth Prime (Stop calling it Prime Earth, and go with Earth Prime) (Have someone in a comic refer to it as Earth Prime) (Change Superboy Prime to Superman Prime, tell that story of him being from this planet originally, have him be a big threat, and then have the Justice League defeat him in the end) (And as a result the Justice League, and the rest of Earth Prime are now aware of the existence of the New 52 Multiverse)

1. Earth One Grapic Novels (Make an "Earth One: The Flash" graphic novel, and have the Earth One Flash be Wally West) (And have Barry Allen to have never existed on Earth One)

2. Earth Two (The adventures of The Justice Society, and other side characters)

3. Earth Three (An ongoing comic series like Earth Two) (It focuses on The Crime Syndicate as the main characters) (The members are Owlman, Ultraman, Superwoman, Johnny Quick, Power Ring, and an Earth 3 version of The Martian Manhunter) (There is no version of Aquaman or Cyborg in The Crime Syndicate, or at least not as main characters) (There are good guy super heroes on Earth 3) (Earth 3 Lex Luthor, and The Jester are 2 of the good guy super heroes) (The Jester is Earth 3's version of The Joker) (The focus of this comic is not on the good guys. The focus is on the bad guys. The Crime Syndicate are the main characters) (This Earth 3 comic series is going to be the comic book version of the animated movie "Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths". The only difference is that The Justice League never shows up to help Earth 3 Lex Luthor. The fight for Earth 3 stays on Earth 3) (Just like on Earth Prime and Earth 2, Earth 3 was invaded by Darkseid's army. The super heroes defeated Darkseid's army, but most of the Earth 3 super heroes died in the battle. As a result, the villains AKA The Crime Syndicate were free to take over Earth 3)

4. Earth Four (Darkseid's army also invaded Earth 4. The Earth 4 super heroes also defeated Darkseid's army. But all of the super heroes died in battle. Every single super hero from Superman to Plastic Man are dead on Earth 4) (The villains try to take over Earth 4, but they are met by all of the dead super heroes' sidekicks) (The sidekicks rise up, and defeat the villains) (The sidekicks are The Teen Titans, and other young super hero teams like The Outsiders, ect.) (They all drop their team names of Teen Titans, The Outsiders, ect.) (All of them unite to form a new team called The Justice Titans) (The prodigies of the fallen super heroes take up their mentors' mantles) (Dick Grayson AKA Robin is now Batman, Donna Troy AKA Wondergirl is now Wonder Woman, Wally West AKA Kid Flash is now The Flash, Kara Zor-El aka Supergirl is now Superwoman [Ironic Earth 3 coincidence here], Garth AKA Aqualad is now Aquaman, M'gann M'orzz AKA Miss Martian is now The Martian Manhunter, and Roy Harper AKA Speedy chooses to not be the new Green Arrow & chooses to be The Red Arrow instead) (The former sidekicks are joined by other young heroes) (Cyborg is still Cyborg but he is more man and less machine as opposed to is New 52 self, Cyborg is more like his pre-Flashpoint self, Beast Boy is his pre-Flashpoint self, Beast Boy is still green on Earth 4, there is no power of the red or power of the green stuff on Earth 4, Starfire is also her pre-Flashpoint self, Starfire and Dick Grayson get married and stay together on Earth 4, Raven looks like her pre-Flashpoint self, and Raven acts like her pre-Flashpoint self, except that Earth 4 Raven is stronger than her past selves. Earth 4 Raven never has any trouble with Trigon. She never loses control of herself. Earth 4 Raven remains in control of herself at all times, and she never has any of the same problems that plagued her past selves) (Karen Starr never known as Kara Zor-L on Earth 4 becomes Power Girl & has her pre-Flashpoint costume) (Helena Bertinelli becomes The Huntress) (There is no new Green Lantern on Earth 4. There is no Green Lanten Corps., and there are no Guardians of the Universe in Earth 4's universe) (Just like on Earth 2, there was only one Green Lantern on Earth 4. Earth 4's Green Lantern is Alan Scott. The Earth 4 version of Alan Scott. And the Earth 4 Alan Scott died with the rest of the super heroes fighting Darkseid's army) (Other things also happen like even the anti-heroes like Deathstroke fought against Darkseid, they also died in the battle, Rose Wilson AKA Ravager becomes the new Deathstroke & joins The Justice Titans, some villains joined the fight against Darkseid as well, they also died in the battle, Joseph Wilson AKA Jericho becomes the new Psycho-Pirate, but he joins the Justice Titans & is a good guy super hero instead of a villain, Ra's al Ghul joined the fight against Darkseid's army and died in the battle, Damian Wayne never becomes Robin & instead goes by the name Damian al Ghul, he takes up the family business & is a villain/anti-hero type character, Commissioner Gordon also joined the fight against Darkseid's amy & died in the battle, as a result Barbara Gordon AKA Batgirl retires from traditional caped crime fighting to take over as the new Commissioner Gordon, Barbara Gordon still helps the caped super heroes as her secret alias Oracle, Barbara Gordon is not in a wheelchair, never was in a wheelchair, and never ends up in a wheelchair on Earth 4, Cassandra Cain becomes the new Batgirl, Bette Kane becomes the new Batwoman, The Joker also joined the fight against Darksied's army & died in the battle, Jason Todd AKA The Red Hood becomes the new Joker, and Jason Todd never becomes a good guy super hero or even an anti-hero type character, Jason Todd as the new Joker is a full out villain, Tim Drake becomes Dick Grayson's Robin, but Tim Drake is killed by the new Joker Jason Todd, the same way Jason Todd was originally killed by the original Joker in "A Death in the Family", and "A Death in the Family" also happened on Earth 4, meaning Earth 4 Jason Todd kills Tim Drake the same way he was originally killed, the 2nd Robin kills the 3rd Robin while the 2nd Robin has become the new Joker, it all plays out the same way as "A Death in the Family", and Earth 4 Jason Todd originally died in "A Death in the Family" on Earth 4 because "A Death in the Family" is also canon for Earth 4, Stephanie Brown becomes Dick Grayson's new Robin after that) (Earth 4 becomes a home for any character not used in the New 52 DCnU from characters like Donna Troy, Wally West, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, all the way down to characters like Bette Kane. Although the characters that find a home on Earth 4 usually keep to the theme of sidekick, former sidekick, young super hero, or some times young villain. Earth 4 also becomes a home for pre-Flashpoint versions of characters like Cyborg, green Beast Boy, ect. Some things change with some characters like Starfire & Dick Grayson getingt married and stay together to tell some different stories on Earth 4)

5. There are some other Earths. Earth 5-51 are something. (Make some of these Earths a Shazam world, a Gemworld Earth for Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld to have adventures on, make Apokolips, the Anti-Matter Universe, & Bizarro World Multiverse Earths instead of just some different dimensions, and make anything published by DC on a regular basis a Multiverse Earth. For example, Young Justice & all of the all ages comics, The Watchmen, and all of the Vertigo comics, ect. Make Vertigo Earth 13. And so on, and so on, and so on)

6. The last Multiverse Earth is Earth 52. (Earth 52 is the Flashpoint Earth) (It picks up exactly where Flashpoint #5 ended. Barry Allen just left, The Reverse Flash just died, Billy Batson just died, the future of Captain Thunder is currently unknown, and that huge battle of super heroes vs villains is just about to reach its climax)

[Bill Lange]

Okay, guess since I started this I should list my ideas.

1) Dump All the Elseworlds Earths from the previous 52 Multiverse.

Now, I love a lot of the Elseworlds books (Particularly The Golden Age, Kingdom Come, Superman: Red Son, Justice League Of America: The Nail & it's sequel Another Nail to name a few), but as far as I'm concerned they are part of the Pre-Flashpoint Universe. The one thing I do agree with DC on is that the New 52 need to remain new. Tying the Multiverse into old Elseworlds stories is counter productive to that cause.

2) Have Earths reflect different time periods in DC's publishing.

If you want a classic Justice Society Of America, have an Universe that is currently in the 1940's.
If you want a Silver-Age classic Justice League Of America, have an Universe that is set in the 60's or 70's.
Here's where I get into trouble. Just don't follow the old continuity, and create your own for those eras. Start the Justice Society Of America and All-Star Squadron at the beginning. Tweak their backgrounds and origins, but not too much as to make them lose their basic motivations.
I would love to see an 80's Post-Crisis Earth where all the re-boots of that era started at one time (Ala the New 52's relaunch).

3) Limit the number of Earths used for the first 5 years.

One of the problems the last 52 Multiverse had was that fact that most of the Earths had been taken up by people jamming Elseworlds, Animated series, DC purchased lines, and just about their whole Post-Crisis publishing history there. It got very overwhelming right out of the gate.
I would propose that we only know of as many as 10-15 Earths for at least a 5 year period. Let people get use to these different worlds instead of getting such small bites of 30 different worlds so early in the life of this New 52 Multiverse.

4) Do not use the Multiverse for Cannon Fodder.

My main problem with the previous 52 Multiverse was the way the Universes were used in Countdown To Final Crisis (Especially Countdown: Arena). How it seemed to use the Multiverse as an excuse for wholesale slaughter showed a lack of understanding as to why the Multiverse can be so special. Instead we used it as a excuse to kill Supermen, Batmen, and other heroes.
No deaths, at least not for the first 5 years.

5) Expansion.

Although I would start at 52, somewhere down the line I would leave room for more Universes to form. There was room made for this at the end of Final Crisis with the Monitors no longer around to stunt the growth of the Multiverse. It would be nice to give yourself some wiggle room for the distant future.

I'll get into specific Earths next time, but what do you think?

[Ekrosn]

This is how I think the new 52 should go:

1) Earth-0 (Main continuity with Wildstorm and applicable Vertigo)
2) Earth One (the Earth One graphic novels)
3) Earth-2 (Golden Age and JSA)
4) Earth-3 (Crime Syndicate)
5) Earth-4 (Fourth World)
6) Earth-5 (Shazam Earth)
7) Earth-6 (Watchmen and Before Watchmen)
8) Earth-7 (Bizarro Earth)
9) Earth-8 (Tangent Universe)
10) Earth-9 (Robotic Superman)
13) Earth-12 (DC Animated Universe)
14) Earth-13 (Horror Earth like Vampires and monsters)
15) Earth-14 (Vertigo Titles that could not transition well into Earth-0)
16) Earth-15 (Miller's Dark Knight Universe including All-Star Batman & Robin, some info would have to be retconned)
17) Earth-16 (Young Justice)
18) Earth-17 (All-Star Superman and other titles that could fit into the continuity)
24) Earth-23 (Black Versions of DC characters)
52) Earth-51 (Super-deformed characters)

Most numbers stated do not matter, also other famous events or stories maybe could exist in the other universes. Plus, my ideas leave a lot of earths for titles yet-to-come.

[Thor-Ul]

More than a multiverse looking like a plurality of worlds (that meaning, a collection of "what if?") I would prefer a multiverse with differents characters in everyone.
One earth for Quality Universe, other for the Fawcett's characters, another one for the ones from Charlton and so.
Also, don't forget the earth from Lord Havok (because DC needs a Marvel proxy world).

[PennyDreadful]

I'd like a universe based on the 1990s characters where characters like Wally, Donna, Connor Hawke, Kyle Rayner, etc., were NEVER legacies. Ditch the legacy aspect altogether. Make them heroes in their own right with NO attachment to any mentor, long-lost relative, or Lantern that went bonkers. I would also include the Helena Bertinelli Huntress on this earth. She'd be a former mob princess whose origins are not connected to Batman. And...dare I say it...Linda Danvers as Supergirl.

Oh, and how about a Multiverse world where characters from Warner Brothers cartoons interact with superheroes. It's possible! Warners owns the rights to these guys! They can bring back the Animaniacs! Darkseid can become the Animaniacs' special friend! It would rule!

[Thor-Ul]

I'd like a universe based on the 1990s characters where characters like Wally, Donna, Connor Hawke, Kyle Rayner, etc., were NEVER legacies. Ditch the legacy aspect altogether. Make them heroes in their own right with NO attachment to any mentor, long-lost relative, or Lantern that went bonkers. I would also include the Helena Bertinelli Huntress on this earth. She'd be a former mob princess whose origins are not connected to Batman. And...dare I say it...Linda Danvers as Supergirl.

I would like too see this kind of world. ANd also, bring back Ultra, the secret Superman of the real world.

[Jadenewt]

I would like too see this kind of world. ANd also, bring back Ultra, the secret Superman of the real world.

Do you mean Ultraa (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ultraa_%28Earth-Prime%29) Earth Prime's Pre-Crisis Superhero?

[Thor-Ul]

Do you mean Ultraa (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ultraa_%28Earth-Prime%29) Earth Prime's Pre-Crisis Superhero?
Yeah, that one. I would like how they take the "real world" superhero. I loved Secret Identity of Busiek, and would liked to see the idea of a secret superhero operating in a universe unaware of his existence.

[Jadenewt]

Yeah, that one. I would like how they take the "real world" superhero. I loved Secret Identity of Busiek, and would liked to see the idea of a secret superhero operating in a universe unaware of his existence.

I thing that would be awesome too.. The idea of a superhero or group of superheroes trying to operate and keep it on the down-low like Batman before he was revealed as actually existing.

[Ekrosn]

This is kinda off-topic, but does anybody know is watchmen has its own universe in the new 52? Before Watchmen:Minutemen just came out today, so it should have its own Earth; it is not like the main continuity.

[AdamYJ]

I would add a universe where dinosaurs still rule the Earth.

[CTpitch]

I don't like this idea of "vertigo title universe" none of the vertigo titles are connected in one universe they are just different stories told by different creators with different characters.

[TJKernan]

This would be my ideal list:


Earth-0: Post-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-1: Earth One graphic novels
Earth-2: Earth Two comics
Earth-3: Crime Syndicate
Earth-4: Charlton universe
Earth-5: Shazam universe
Earth-6: Golden age universe
Earth-7: Silver age universe
Earth-8: Bronze age universe
Earth-9: Tangent universe
Earth-10: Nazi Superman universe
Earth-11: Reverse gender universe
Earth-12: Beyond universe (JL Beyond, Batman Beyond, Superman Beyond, etc.)
Earth-13: Fables universe
Earth-14: DC Kids universe (Batman: Brave and the Bold, Tiny Titans, etc.)
Earth-15: Utopian universe (all super-heroes retired)
Earth-16: Animated universe (Green Lantern, Young Justice, etc.)
Earth-17: Anime universe
Earth-18: Fables universe
Earth-19: Watchmen universe
Earth-20: Pulp universe
Earth-21: Super sons universe
Earth-22: Kingdom Come universe
Earth-23: President Superman universe
Earth-24: Horror themed universe
Earth-25: Smallville series and comic universe
Earth-26: Captain Carrot universe
Earth-27: Chibi universe (Like the one we saw in Superman/Batman)
Earth-28: Bizarro universe
...
Earth-44: 90s universe
Earth-45: Former Earth-Prime universe
Earth-46: Fringe universe
Earth-47: Parallel Fringe universe
Earth-48: Pre-Flashpoint DCU
Earth-49: Vertigo-esque universe
Earth-50: Original WildStorm universe
Earth-51: Kamandi & New Gods


The remaining designations would be filled with absurd universes, with different laws of physics and such, or new stories.

Perfect. Sold. You are hired!

[Ekrosn]

By Vertigo Universe, I meant like the tales of the DC characters, like the Doom Patrol, Zatanna, SGt. Rock, Jonah Hex, Hellblazer, Animal Man, and Swamp Thing while they were under the Vertigo line. Also, a Fables Universe and maybe a sandman universe might be cool. The onl thing is that i always assumed that the sandman universe was part of Earth-0. ALso, a Preacher earth and Transmetropolitan earth might be cool too. As an addition, the weird western tales seem to go with the DC character with titles published by Vertigo which were reference in my first sentence.

[NotSuper]

Earth-3 is something to think about. If the Crime Syndicate are still in the Anti-Matter Universe, should there be a Crime Society on Earth-3, or will that cause too much confusion?
Well, seeing as how there are multiple versions of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and all the rest in the multiverse, no reasons there can't be multiple versions of the CSA. I liked the idea in the oDCU that the Anti-Matter Crime Syndicate also had a "Golden Age" counterpart on Earth-3 in the Crime SOCIETY.


While I would enjoy a dark Earth, I have reservations about a Vampire Earth. The one thing I did not like about the Post-52/Pre-Flashpoint Multiverse was trying to jam in so many Elseworlds that the 52 Universes got filled up very quickly. I would prefer one horror type world with Vampires and anything else horror related on it.
The cool thing about the Red Rain Earth was that you had vampires AND super-heroes, though. It wasn't strictly horror, it was horror imposed on a world of super-heroes.


I do like to see that the Laws of Physics will change from Universe to Universe, as is the current popular theory in in Quantum Physics.
Agreed.

[AdamYJ]

The cool thing about the Red Rain Earth was that you had vampires AND super-heroes, though. It wasn't strictly horror, it was horror imposed on a world of super-heroes.

That's one of my problems with the Multiverse. They could be using it for more genre diversity, but instead everything ends up all . . . superhero-y. Nothing against superheroes, but having one or two worlds full of them is more than enough for me.

[hugh45]

Shazam(Captain Marvel) not on Earth -0?

[warrior93]

I've come with rules that should be followed in regards to the DC multiverse.

1. No Canon Fodder

2. Have a point of divergence which will separate a world from another aka Superman was raised by nazi's.

3. What are the major or major superheroes of a particular world and what are their names?

4. What are the alternate versions of the flash, green lantern, superman, batman, and wonder woman.

5. What time period is the world set in and what is the world's technology level.

6. When did the age or the various ages of superheroes begin in the 40's, 50's, 2000's, etc.