AvX: VS Discussion

[Juggy313]

A thread to discuss the fights that have taken place, in this year's event.. Also predictions, about future fights... Spoiler alert...

Ironman defeats Magneto... Woooowww... I guess Magneto has grown a little soft.. He wasn't even upset at defeat.... Thing defeats Namor????? I was very happy about that however, Namor still seems to be in perfect condition and is about to bring to Thing... Where the hell was Luke Cage... I really wanted to seem him in action.. Especially against a top tier character to test his limit.... He just suddenly disappeared...

[Aljira]

Magneto stopped fighting? the HELL?!!! they had to do that to make Iron Man win?!!

[NamorsTrident]

Ironman defeats Magneto... Woooowww... I guess Magneto has grown a little soft.. He wasn't even upset at defeat.... Thing defeats Namor????? I was very happy about that however, Namor still seems to be in perfect condition and is about to bring to Thing... Where the hell was Luke Cage... I really wanted to seem him in action.. Especially against a top tier character to test his limit.... He just suddenly disappeared...

Ironman technically didn't win. It seemed as if Magneto just kinda gave up.

[lurchadamo]

basically in all titles the x-men have lost, just looking through the other tie ins and so far:

Iron Man beat Magneto
Thing beat Namor in water?!
Rulk beat colussus cause he gave up like Magneto did
Iron man beat emma
Cap beat cyclops
hey atleast hope beat wolverine and spiderman but overall this is a blood bath and personally I don't agree....now I understand it's a long series and the x-men will probably have there own streak but jeez this is a slaughter so far not a war.

[Aljira]

you know they're trying REALLY HARD to make the Avengers win this one.

[NamorsTrident]

Does seem like a lot of PIS going on. But hopefully it will pick up some steam as we go on. Ridiculous doesn't even begin to describe what went down in the first match.

[The Black Guardian]

Ironman technically didn't win. It seemed as if Magneto just kinda gave up.
Yeah, Magneto realized he was on the wrong side.

[DeadXMan]

Ironman technically didn't win. It seemed as if Magneto just kinda gave up.


YEah the whole feeling the voices of billions riase up in fear and suddely silanced dosehave an effect on you.
But I'm thinking he will be playing abigger part. He relizese how petty this fight Scott started is. This isn't time he sided aginst Scott....but it might be the last.

[mikekerrIII]

Ironman technically didn't win. It seemed as if Magneto just kinda gave up.

The Same happened with Colossus in UXM today, I guess they have to do that so the Avengers can win.

[mikekerrIII]

Yeah, Magneto realized he was on the wrong side.

BS, outside of your Fan fiction that is.

[idiopathic]

Ironman defeats Magneto... Woooowww... I guess Magneto has grown a little soft.. He wasn't even upset at defeat....

Maybe his love for Rogue has indeed changed Mags.

[DeadXMan]

The Same happened with Colossus in UXM today, I guess they have to do that so the Avengers can win.

That's because Colossus is a Godlless dirty Commie.
Rulk beat him with PATRIOTISM!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GlvVBb3vMU

[NamorsTrident]

The Same happened with Colossus in UXM today, I guess they have to do that so the Avengers can win.

Well......I could believe Red Hulk beating Colossus in a fair fight. Juggs could never take down Green Hulk by himself and Red Hulk is suppose to be(at least at one point) stronger than Green Hulk. Even with Colossus added strength of just being Colossus it would be believable to me. However, Magneto loosing to Ironman in a fight under any circumstance outside of him being Captain Universe or wielding the Infinity Gauntlet is totally unbelievable to me. Same with Namor and Thing. Just doesn't really add up.

Which is why I'm holding out for more of the story to unfold. I doubt Marvel will really leave how it was left without making up for it somewhere down the road in this event. Doing so would be beyond stupid.

[mikekerrIII]

. Doing so would be beyond stupid.

Remember this is the Company that brought you OMD, vOMIT, BP arm-barring the Surfer and the SHRA, stupid is something they do very well.

[The Black Guardian]

BS, outside of your Fan fiction that is.
His own words. Yours is the fan fiction.

[Valeria Kementari]

Yeah, Magneto realized he was on the wrong side.

at least he's still smart ^_^

[DeadXMan]

at least he's still smart ^_^

I am so calling it.

Magneto will take over the Blue side.

[Valeria Kementari]

I am so calling it.

Magneto will take over the Blue side.

so the wannabe gets replaced by the real thing? I like that

[Genesis X]

BS, outside of your Fan fiction that is.
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/007.jpg

[DeadXMan]

so the wannabe gets replaced by the real thing? I like that

When you want the world to respect your race, accept no substitutes.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2009/126/f/f/Magneto_and_Sentinel_by_Livio_by_Livio27.jpg

[Valeria Kementari]

When you want the world to respect your race, accept no substitutes.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2009/126/f/f/Magneto_and_Sentinel_by_Livio_by_Livio27.jpg

as long as Summers dies a most horrific death I shall be happy

[Genesis X]

If magneto was in charge, this wouldn't have happened

[DeadXMan]

No Eric will leave Scott as Scott left him. Powerless on a dead rock with nothing but ghost of his past mistakes.....

Buried alive... Buried alive.:cool:

[DeadXMan]

If magneto was in charge, this wouldn't have happened

Exactly, the last time the Avengers andX-men went to blows he realized he was in the wrong and and he faced his sins.....

[mikekerrIII]

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/007.jpg

to bad nothing it that says scott is wrong, just that they had gotten themselves into trouble.

[Valeria Kementari]

to bad nothing it that says scott is wrong, just that they had gotten themselves into trouble.

Summers is always wrong

[DeadXMan]

to bad nothing it that says scott is wrong, just that they had gotten themselves into trouble.

They are in trouble beacuse Summers Declared war on the USA! (Namor words in UXM #11)

[Genesis X]

to bad nothing it that says scott is wrong, just that they had gotten themselves into trouble.

gods how does the dude with the muppets pic does this? anyways, I'm just going to direct your attention at the fact that the local "reformed" mutant terrorist/supremacist decided to let his human enemy go, and told him to get wanda, and told him they were going to need it, and I doubt wanda is part of scott's plan

[DeadXMan]

gods how does the dude with the muppets pic does this? anyways, I'm just going to direct your attention at the fact that the local "reformed" mutant terrorist/supremacist decided to let his human enemy go, and told him to get wanda, and told him they were going to need it, and I doubt wanda is part of scott's plan

he brings shame to Beta ray bill.

[Juggy313]

Why is everyone so upset about the Thing vs Namor match... It obviously wasn't over... It's pretty obvious that Namor is going to come back and beat some ass.... He was still perfectly fine when Ben was coming out of the water.... Magneto gave up on his fight... and Colossus allowed Rulk to knock him out... Hell, he even said "harder"... Not the greatest start IMO, but not as bad as people seem to think...

[DeadXMan]

I'm not pissed.

I'm glad the red blooded American beat the tar out of that dirty godless commie bastard.
I bet Cyroshyk (Sp) is having a bunchof buyers remorse in letting Cain go.

[Juggy313]

I was thinking the same thing... I've heard that Colossus and Cyttorak powers might play a significant role in this event... Maybe Cain comes back... Maybe someone else is given the power... hmmmmm

[Valeria Kementari]

I'm looking very forward to the Thor/Emma battle

[Cap10kirk]

I just noticed Luke Cage, knocked the f&&k out in the top right corner.

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[NightMage]

you know they're trying REALLY HARD to make the Avengers win this one.

Either that or...is that mutiny in the ranks I see?

[Genesis X]

I'm looking very forward to the Thor/Emma battleit's impossible for Thor to lose


I was thinking the same thing... I've heard that Colossus and Cyttorak powers might play a significant role in this event... Maybe Cain comes back... Maybe someone else is given the power... hmmmmm
did he lose his hammer?


I bet Cyroshyk (Sp) is having a bunchof buyers remorse in letting Cain go.
that happen because he listen to juggy's x-girlfri....errhh I mean ex-team

[DeadXMan]

Either that or...is that mutiny in the ranks I see?

IT IS!!!

The Summer-Frost regime's end is close at hand! Rejoicefor the Ture leader of Mutantswill take back what his rightfully his!


http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p132/thatguynamedsean/Magneto.jpg

[Valeria Kementari]

it's impossible for Thor to lose



pray tell, why would I like the God of Hunks to loose? :|?

[nosocialize100]

Prediction: Cyclops is going to be a villain in ALL heroes eyes. He's going to go too far and even separate himself from the X-Men.

[Ebonyleopard]

WHAT...THE..HELL..did I just read? Did I accidentally buy a copy of Marvel vs DC? Ok. I'm willing, to concede Tony beating Magneto (guy that's lived a life time fighting multiple opponents at once, lived longer than Tony so more fighting experience, etc etc etc) due to Tony going all power ranger and drawing power from a planet (Man he's written so differently than he is in his own series). But I'm sorry, I just can not excuse Namor vs the Thing. Has the Thing ever shown an ability to go toe to toe with Namor on land let alone UNDER WATER? Since when doe the Thing not need to breath? And wasn't it Luke Cage AND Thing vs Namor? What happened to Luke? And aren't we on the coast of San Fransisco? Since when are their Giant fish off the coast and since when does Namor not more or less tell fish what to do i one way or another? UGH, I'm so Mad I bought this comic.

[DeadXMan]

Prediction: Cyclops is going to be a villain in ALL heroes eyes. He's going to go too far and even separate himself from the X-Men.

all we need is AoA to knock up Wanda and Colossus to become the host of the PF and then we would be in TJ's Universe.

[Valeria Kementari]

Prediction: Cyclops is going to be a villain in ALL heroes eyes. He's going to go too far and even separate himself from the X-Men.

what do you mean by "prediction"? that's his role since Messiah CompleX :|

[nosocialize100]

I just noticed Luke Cage, knocked the f&&k out in the top right corner.

92417

Omg I didn't see that! lol.

[Cap10kirk]

And wasn't it Luke Cage AND Thing vs Namor? What happened to Luke? And aren't we on the coast of San Fransisco? Since when are their Giant fish off the coast and since when does Namor not more or less tell fish what to do i one way or another? UGH, I'm so Mad I bought this comic.
Luke was taking a power nap at that time. Look at the top right corner.

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[Genesis X]

pray tell, why would i like the god of hunks to loose? :|?
idk :i

it is!!!

The summer-frost regime's end is close at hand! Rejoicefor the ture leader of mutantswill take back what his rightfully his!


http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p132/thatguynamedsean/magneto.jpg
for mutant kind!!!

[Lascoden]

Question: What does PIS stand for?

[Valeria Kementari]

Question: What does PIS stand for?

Poor Intellect Summers

[chariset]

Question: What does PIS stand for?

Plot-induced stupidity (i.e. the character being incompetent because the story requires him/her to be)

If the Avengers are winning all their fights early, I guarantee you it means that the X-Men are going to turn the tide and start dominating the Avengers. There's no way this event will be nothing but "Avengers win" every single match

[Juggy313]

Poor Intellect Summers
LMAO, that was too funny... and yet true..

[mikekerrIII]

Question: What does PIS stand for?

Plot induced stupidity, it is when stupidity is required by lazy writers to advance the plot

[Lascoden]

Thanks, everyone.

[Ebon Phantom]

I am so calling it.

Magneto will take over the Blue side. I don't know, considering future solicitations seem to have even more X-men jumping into the war.


gods how does the dude with the muppets pic does this? anyways, I'm just going to direct your attention at the fact that the local "reformed" mutant terrorist/supremacist decided to let his human enemy go, and told him to get wanda, and told him they were going to need it, and I doubt wanda is part of scott's plan Letting him go isn't that strange given Magneto recent characteristics, but I don't think he was actually talking to Iron Man, but himself.

[Boltftw]

Sigh, I just read the first issue and I am disappointed with it. It felt like a cop out win for Iron Man. Magneto just gave up like that....and Thing Vs Namor was going in the right direction until it ending suddenly. I feel conned, I hope the next issue Spider-Man loses and Capt wins. I mean it only makes sense right?

[Aaric Rivad]

gods how does the dude with the muppets pic does this? anyways, I'm just going to direct your attention at the fact that the local "reformed" mutant terrorist/supremacist decided to let his human enemy go, and told him to get wanda, and told him they were going to need it, and I doubt wanda is part of scott's plan


That dude deserves respect. He's got a helluva lot more patience than I do.

The Iron Man/Magneto fight really escalated beyond what I expected. I mean, I'm not surprised that Tony was able to go toe-to-toe with Magneto (and he wasn't getting squashed by the end, despite what X-Fans say) but I really didn't anticipate drawing other planets into the fray. Both men deserve respect for the way they fought, and Magneto deserves respect for realizing the futility of their battle.

The Thing/Namor fight was a pleasant surprise. To answer a question posted previously... yes, the Thing has shown an ability to take on Namor, and has done pretty damn well in their encounters. Ben has always been one of Marvel's toughest characters, but he gets overlooked because he's been used as a whipping boy for the last few years.

I know a lot of X-Fans are butthurt because the Avengers aren't jobbing the way they were supposed to, but maybe now they'll realize that there are other heroes who are just as powerful, and just as tenacious. I have no doubt that the X-Men will rack up some wins during this war, but none of them are going to be anywhere near as easy as predicted.

[nosocialize100]

I'm starting to get the impression Marvel isn't doing this 100% as a gimmick, but maybe they're doing it to give the readers a better understanding of how powerful some heroes are….


oh wait Namor got beat by Thing.

Never mind.

[nosocialize100]

what do you mean by "prediction"? that's his role since Messiah CompleX :|

I noticed a few folks were making predictions. My point was that he'd become a villain in all eyes. He'd be Dr. Doom...

[John Ossie]

Magneto stopped fighting? the HELL?!!! they had to do that to make Iron Man win?!!

Apparently so. I was annoyed at the way that fight ended.


Ironman technically didn't win. It seemed as if Magneto just kinda gave up.

Yeah true.


Prediction: Cyclops is going to be a villain in ALL heroes eyes. He's going to go too far and even separate himself from the X-Men.

The way he's being written at the moment you could very well be right.

[infernohara]

I don't see the problem with Magneto losing. It wasn't a bad loss and Ironman fans really can't say that "Ironman can beat Magneto" as some argument in future battles. Magneto isn't an idiot and when he felt that planet die, he lost his whole immaturity of the situation. While Ironman is flying around talking about smacking more X-men, Magneto realized that this is much bigger than this petty fight. He still has Wanda Pietro and Lorna on earth and I doubt he'll let some bird come and claim them real easily. Hopefully Magneto will join the other Avengers in space to save Thor and possibly help contain the bird.

The real problem with this story is that the X-men are kinda in the dark about things. Yes, Cyclops knows the Phoenix is eventually coming, but I'm not sure he knows its on its way right now and obviously the other X-men don't know either as told by Magneto himself. They've painted Scott in such a way though that I doubt he'd really care that much that the phoenix is destroying other planets on its way as he only has faith that it wants Hope and to repower the mutant race. With other X-men knowing the phoenix is coming and destroying billions in the process, I doubt it would've taken much convincing for most of them to side with the Avengers. So I'm guessing that Cap thinks that Scott knows its on its way now and since Scott really isn't doing much as a contingency plan in his eyes, hes taking action. Which means that Wolverine should be telling everyone over in Legacy what is really happening because the Avengers are assuming that hes talked to everyone in this situation.

[Lady_Alternate]

Which means that Wolverine should be telling everyone over in Legacy what is really happening because the Avengers are assuming that hes talked to everyone in this situation.

He told everyone on the faculty over in WATXM #9, which has been the best tie-in issue so far.

[yanapryde]

Magneto's loss is acceptable. The story and the circumstances etc made it work.

Namor's loss....UNDER THE SEA, doesn't ring as true.
I know they threw in the "for now" but....pinned to the ocean floor? Oh geez.

[Lady_Alternate]

I know they threw in the "for now" but....pinned to the ocean floor? Oh geez.

It looked like it was for a minute or two at most. It does seem odd awarding a win when the fight clearly isn't over. I suspect Namor fans will get the last laugh when he takes down Thing & Cage at the same time.

[infernohara]

Magneto's loss is acceptable. The story and the circumstances etc made it work.

Namor's loss....UNDER THE SEA, doesn't ring as true.
I know they threw in the "for now" but....pinned to the ocean floor? Oh geez.

Hey Yana, do you worry about the Strange/Magik battle now? With the reoccurring theme of "giving up", you'd think that Strange would actually get Magik in a position where she gives Strange the victory.

[LeonardEugenius]

I don't think Magneto is suddenly going to turn on the X-Men. He's the only X-Man at this point who is clued in about the destruction the Phoenix is causing. Instead of jumping ship, it makes sense that he may let the rest of his fellow X-Men know what's really happening. Scott's only crazy when written by an Avengers writer. Granted, Aaron wrote AvX #2 but he seems full of bias lately. KG is able to write a great Cyclops without distorting Captain America. I wish other writers could do the same.

[TonyStark1012]

Plot induced stupidity, it is when stupidity is required by lazy writers to advance the plot

It also stands for an excuse when a character someone likes or dislikes wins or loses:wink::cool:.

[timeismoney]

Summers is always wrong

Why Magneto is always right now who do you think should be running things

[yanapryde]

Hey Yana, do you worry about the Strange/Magik battle now? With the reoccurring theme of "giving up", you'd think that Strange would actually get Magik in a position where she gives Strange the victory.

I suspect their altercation will get pulled, when Illyana is called to evacuate the X-Men from the inevitable Utopia-take-over.
Realistically, Magik should prove a VERY formidable adversary while in Limbo, so they'll cut it short without a clear winner, probs.

If Namor can "lose" at the bottom of the Ocean.....Illyana, in Limbo, could suffer the same shameful jobbing.

[chariset]

I suspect their altercation will get pulled, when Illyana is called to evacuate the X-Men from the inevitable Utopia-take-over.
Realistically, Magik should prove a VERY formidable adversary while in Limbo, so they'll cut it short without a clear winner, probs.

If Namor can "lose" at the bottom of the Ocean.....Illyana, in Limbo, could suffer the same shameful jobbing.

If it helps, I think Strange can't beat her in Limbo and knows it. I think he's going to either prolong the fight as long as he can, to keep her from aiding the X-Men, or he's going to resort to some spell that will take both of them down.

OR she's going to show up and unceremoniously drop his smoking body down at Cyclops' feet, just to show how powerful she is. And those of us Strange fans, who see that sort of thing happen a lot, will groan and resume stabbing our Brian Bendis voodoo dolls.

[yanapryde]

If it helps, I think Strange can't beat her in Limbo and knows it. I think he's going to either prolong the fight as long as he can, to keep her from aiding the X-Men, or he's going to resort to some spell that will take both of them down.
For the sake of the Strange fans, I imagine she'll simply bow out early at Cyclops's request.


OR she's going to show up and unceremoniously drop his smoking body down at Cyclops' feet, just to show how powerful she is. And those of us Strange fans, who see that sort of thing happen a lot, will groan and resume stabbing our Brian Bendis voodoo dolls.
Omg. That image in my head gives me chills. Oh wow. I need some alone time.

[infernohara]

I suspect their altercation will get pulled, when Illyana is called to evacuate the X-Men from the inevitable Utopia-take-over.
Realistically, Magik should prove a VERY formidable adversary while in Limbo, so they'll cut it short without a clear winner, probs.

If Namor can "lose" at the bottom of the Ocean.....Illyana, in Limbo, could suffer the same shameful jobbing.

Very well said. I hope either Magik wins or there isn't a clear winner.


If it helps, I think Strange can't beat her in Limbo and knows it. I think he's going to either prolong the fight as long as he can, to keep her from aiding the X-Men, or he's going to resort to some spell that will take both of them down.

OR she's going to show up and unceremoniously drop his smoking body down at Cyclops' feet, just to show how powerful she is. And those of us Strange fans, who see that sort of thing happen a lot, will groan and resume stabbing our Brian Bendis voodoo dolls.

Thing is.....Magik can totally shut off his ability to tap into magic in her realm. Its almost out of character for her to not do so given her personality. He'll have to suck her into close combat martial arty goodness to prolonge a battle in her realm and I will LMAO if he actually gets her into some hand to hand battle. Magik should really just sit on her throne whilst Strange does his best to fight off her minions.

[Lady_Alternate]

Omg. That image in my head gives me chills. Oh wow. I need some alone time.

Dirty. :wink:

I do think that Strange will realise he's outmatched and fight smart, rather than fight hard.

[yanapryde]

Agreed.
Leave him there. Lock it down. And then evacuate your peeps.
I don't NEED to SEE her best him. Would it be awesome? Oh most defnitely. But at this juncture, I just don't want her to LOSE to him. Especially in Limbo.
To him or Widow.

[chariset]

Well, the preview is up and Strange is still alive and un-singed, so it looks like Magik did indeed get loose and teleport the X-Men away

[Iron Maiden]

Dirty. :wink:

I do think that Strange will realise he's outmatched and fight smart, rather than fight hard.

So how come Magik is hot sh*t now? Doom snatched her sword away like taking candy from a baby back in Excalibur.

[yanapryde]

So how come Magik is hot sh*t now? Doom snatched her sword away like taking candy from a baby back in Excalibur.

Saywha????
What issue? Ahma research dat N'get back to you.

EDIT: Bogus.
The SWORD was taken. But Magik was deceased at the time, therefor...he stole candy from a corpse.

[Iron Maiden]

Saywha????
What issue? Ahma research dat N'get back to you.

EDIT: Bogus.
The SWORD was taken. But Magik was deceased at the time, therefor...he stole candy from a corpse.

So it was retconned so not be her? Still, I can't see her being on the same level as Doom in the Dark Arts. And he just survived tangling with 4 Mad Celestials with an Infinity Gauntlet as his to claim.

[chariset]

So it was retconned so not be her? Still, I can't see her being on the same level as Doom in the Dark Arts. And he just survived tangling with 4 Mad Celestials with an Infinity Gauntlet as his to claim.

Doom is established as being to Doctor Strange in magic as he is to Reed Richards in science -- very good, but still second best. But in the "who is the new Sorcerer Supreme?" arc that ended with Brother Voodoo being chosen, Strange said that Doom has kept up his studies and may be stronger now.

[yanapryde]

So it was retconned so not be her? Still, I can't see her being on the same level as Doom in the Dark Arts. And he just survived tangling with 4 Mad Celestials with an Infinity Gauntlet as his to claim.

What do you mean retconned?
Magik was dead. She died. The sword was passed on to Kitty Pryde. Then some bogus writers made up some bullshit about the metal it was made of and crafted some hack-story in Exaclibur...
But Magik was still dead.
The sword was taken from someone else.

[Iron Maiden]

What do you mean retconned?
Magik was dead. She died. The sword was passed on to Kitty Pryde. Then some bogus writers made up some bullshit about the metal it was made of and crafted some hack-story in Exaclibur...
But Magik was still dead.
The sword was taken from someone else.

Could be...it's been a long time since I read that but....


Doom is established as being to Doctor Strange in magic as he is to Reed Richards in science -- very good, but still second best. But in the "who is the new Sorcerer Supreme?" arc that ended with Brother Voodoo being chosen, Strange said that Doom has kept up his studies and may be stronger now.

Doom was the only other to survive the Trial of the Vishanti besides Strange and that was established waaaay back in Triumph and Torment. And we know that Doom uses his time platform to visit past master of magic (heck, far as we know he could be going to the future also) to learn other skills that Strange may not have or even be willing to use.