Is it time for a new Ultimate Daredevil?

[Somewhat]

Hey guys, I've been lurking here for a while and finally made an account.

As a big fan of Daredevil I was pretty sad to see him go in Ultimatum, Ultimate Daredevil was a tool who was a dick to Spidey which totally set it apart from 616's Spider-man and Daredevil friendship.

Then we got this guy who was trained by Stick and lasted like, one issue?

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So now I'm asking, is it time for someone new to become Daredevil? Someone that could be a friend and a much needed ally of the new Spidey, Miles Morales in taking down the new Kingpin, Scorpion.

[wyokid]

I just started re-reading Bendis Daredevil run and as much as I'd love a new Ultimate Daredevil, even if it was written by Bendis, my mouth is still tasting bad after Ultimate Avengers III.

[Trevor M.]

It should probably be Elektra.

Man, I really wish Ray Connor was still alive. His dynamic with Miles would have been interesting.

[Somewhat]

Elektra was killed in Ultimate Spider-man 85, Moon Knight got her in the back of the head with one of his throwing things.

Just a shame they wasted the idea of a new DD, Ray Connor, on a crappy vampire story.

[Jabare]

yeah there should be a new one. I think they should get a little creative with it. Make him Asian and leader of the hand or something like that

[Trevor M.]

Elektra was killed in Ultimate Spider-man 85, Moon Knight got her in the back of the head with one of his throwing things.She's actually in a coma.


Just a shame they wasted the idea of a new DD, Ray Connor, on a crappy vampire story.Agreed 100%.

[wyokid]

She's actually in a coma.

What issue was that mentioned? O_o

[DoctorOak]

No.

Daredevil is not a premier league character, and the kidDevil in UAIII would not have been either. I'd rather see the Ultimate Universe branch out into creating its own heroes and archetypes than fall back on the old habit of just 'Ultimizing' characters and then doing bugger all with them immediately afterwards/summarily killing them off.

If you asked this question prior to Ultimatum (or maybe, more accurately for the time, asked for more Daredevil), that'd be a different thing. Today, though, the Ultimate Universe is - quite rightly - setting itself apart with new heroes, new villains and a whole new status quo. That's the right approach for the continued survival of this imprint. There may be a number of notable characters worth still bringing into the Universe (or bringing back), but Daredevil just isn't big enough for that. His defining characteristic throughout his appearances in Ultimate Spidey was pretty much just that he was a dick to Peter (though, not without justification). The last incarnation showed that creating a new Daredevil with the same circumstances to lead them down that path is tenuous as hell to begin with - and didn't lead to any more interesting a character before he got eaten. I think this well has been quite sufficiently tapped.

[Trevor M.]

What issue was that mentioned? O_oIn issue 85 Jeanne De Wolffe mentions that Elektra is in pretty bad shape. Most people assume that she's in a coma just like Hammerhead.

[Somewhat]

In issue 85 Jeanne De Wolffe mentions that Elektra is in pretty bad shape. Most people assume that she's in a coma just like Hammerhead.

Wonder if we'll ever see Hammerhead again.

[Kurolegacy]

I personally hated Ultimate Daredevil because he was such a tool and a dick. He made later interpretations of Ultimate Captain America look tame. And I still don't see what the point of kid Daredevil was. He was around for like a third of an issue and then was turned into a vampire before being killed off at the end of the arc having accomplished absolutely nothing and added nothing more to the story than making Captain America look like a dick for killing a child. I think that, like Ultimates 3, Avengers 3 is best left forgotten.

[Somewhat]

He was around for like a third of an issue and then was turned into a vampire before being killed off at the end of the arc having accomplished absolutely nothing and added nothing more to the story than making Captain America look like a dick for killing a child. I think that, like Ultimates 3, Avengers 3 is best left forgotten.

Agreed, pretty wasted opportunity frankly.

[wyokid]

Agreed, pretty wasted opportunity frankly.

That's all 24 issues of Ultimate Avengers in a nutshell right there.

[Agemoi]

That's all 24 issues of Ultimate Avengers in a nutshell right there.

Agreed. Well, i actually liked volume 1 though. Volume 2 was "okay" but 3 is crap. Overall though, yeah. I think itd be cool to see another daredevil but then its just the habit of more ((fan favorite term around these parts!)) replacement characters. I dont think the universe NEEDS one right now, but itd be interesting at least.

[TheUltimates09]

That's all 24 issues of Ultimate Avengers in a nutshell right there.

Ultimate Avengers to me was, create a new characters to take over the old characters places, then kill them off in the end. As much as i love The Ultimates 1 and 2, (favorite books till i die) Ultimate Avengers was crap, I mean the run had a couple of good moments, but overall,crap. I think kid daredevil would have been a great character but oh well, another missed opportunity.

[Kurolegacy]

That's all 24 issues of Ultimate Avengers in a nutshell right there.I still don't get why they're even called the Avengers. The Ultimates are the Ultimate version of the Avengers so what's the point in calling this group the Avengers?

[Wolverine12]

I actually would like to see a new Daredevil as an full blown villain for Miles.

[TheUltimates09]

I still don't get why they're even called the Avengers. The Ultimates are the Ultimate version of the Avengers so what's the point in calling this group the Avengers?

You know i was just thinking about this the other day. The Ultimates are the version of the Avengers, so The Ultimate Avengers should be The Secret Ultimates (You know since there black ops) and the New Ultimates should stay New Ultimates. God i miss my girlfriend.

[Kurolegacy]

You know i was just thinking about this the other day. The Ultimates are the version of the Avengers, so The Ultimate Avengers should be The Secret Ultimates (You know since there black ops) and the New Ultimates should stay New Ultimates. God i miss my girlfriend.That also raises another question. What was the point of the name change to New Ultimates anyway? New Avengers was the name change because The Avengers had disbanded and reformed with a mostly new roster but The Ultimates never disbanded, they added some people. And then in the end it was rendered moot by the fact that with the relaunch, they went back to the name The Ultimates. God post-Ultimatum really was the lowest point for the Ultimate Universe.

[Toxic]

That also raises another question. What was the point of the name change to New Ultimates anyway? New Avengers was the name change because The Avengers had disbanded and reformed with a mostly new roster but The Ultimates never disbanded, they added some people. And then in the end it was rendered moot by the fact that with the relaunch, they went back to the name The Ultimates. God post-Ultimatum really was the lowest point for the Ultimate Universe.

2 words: Jeph Loeb

[Kurolegacy]

2 words: Jeph LoebYes Loeb, the Ultimate Destroyer. Only he could turn such a promising line into a wasteland so desolate that it would take 2 years for it begin to claw its way to its former glory. And even then, it didn't come without the grave cost of many favorites. May they never be forgotten.

[Fizicks]

Yes Loeb, the Ultimate Destroyer. Only he could turn such a promising line into a wasteland so desolate that it would take 2 years for it begin to claw its way to its former glory. And even then, it didn't come without the grave cost of many favorites. May they never be forgotten.

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[Zak213]

I want to see maya lopez come in and be the next daredevil.

[Time_to_Zap]

Elektra should definitely be the new one when she wakes up.

[Xarcon]

Elektra should definitely be the new one when she wakes up.

Depending on the writer, I think that would be a cool series. I'd definitely give it a shot.

[TheUltimates09]

That also raises another question. What was the point of the name change to New Ultimates anyway? New Avengers was the name change because The Avengers had disbanded and reformed with a mostly new roster but The Ultimates never disbanded, they added some people. And then in the end it was rendered moot by the fact that with the relaunch, they went back to the name The Ultimates. God post-Ultimatum really was the lowest point for the Ultimate Universe.

I cant think about post-ultimatum without getting super pissed.

[horsehead]

No. I loved Ultimate DD and Warriors & Knights were my favourite SM arcs but we have already had two DDs, we don't need any more. There are still plenty of characters around to carry on with those street level stories with the likes of Miles, Scorpion, Prowler, Hammerhead, Moon Knight, Blade, Punisher, Elektra, Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Black Cat and many more I'm sure I've missed

[Kurolegacy]

I still find it ironic that Daredevil, who constantly bagged on Peter for being too young to be a hero, was not only outlived by him but also got the youngest replacement of any dead character, even if he didn't last more than one arc and had no place in there to begin with.

[Fizicks]

Come to think of it, was it Bendis who actually killed Matt? Since he didn't appear in the main Ultimatum book.

[Kurolegacy]

Yea his death was revealed in Ultimate Spider-Man when Peter and Hulk were helping survivors.

[wyokid]

Come to think of it, was it Bendis who actually killed Matt? Since he didn't appear in the main Ultimatum book.

Editorial chose who died, Bendis wanted to write Daredevil's death and he did.

[Kurolegacy]

Editorial chose who died, Bendis wanted to write Daredevil's death and he did.If that's the case, I gotta wonder why Daredevil? He never really came across as a major hero compared to 616 and like Psylocke and Toad, his death didn't change anything. It's like beyond the major heroes who died, they thought there wasn't enoug death and started drawing names from a hat.

[Wolverine12]

Editorial chose who died, Bendis wanted to write Daredevil's death and he did.

Not completely true, the writers collaborated with Joe Q and other editors and decided who they wanted to kill.

[Fizicks]

Not completely true, the writers collaborated with Joe Q and other editors and decided who they wanted to kill.

Haha they must have been f***ing high while they were doing this.

[Kurolegacy]

Haha they must have been f***ing high while they were doing this.That along with having a dartboard of character names, a blindfold and a vendetta against X-characters. Seriously what was the point in killing characters like Polaris, Cannonball, or Sunspot? They were glorified background characters for the most part and even with Polaris having gotten an arc in Magnetic North, we still knew next to nothing about her. Ultimatum may have changed the game but it also wasted so much potential pointlessly with characters who, up till then hadn't actually done much or were pretty different from their 616 counterpart to begin with. This is a reason I will always look at that event as a putrid stain on the UU's history that while I wish could be forgotten, never can due to everything going on now being an echo of it.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

The problem with an Ultimate Daredevil is Daredevil was already revamped from the happy go lucky character in the 60s to a dark urban avenger of the innocent in the 80s, making an Ultimate version that changes the character a third time seems rather pointless. How would you make DD different from the two versions that exist already? It is a shame that both Ultimate Daredevils were killed off in an unimpressive fashion, the writers for the Ultimate titles should stop killing off characters in such a disappointing fashion. Seriously, only few characters in the UU received really powerful deaths, the rest were killed off with no fore thought.

However I do think the writers could revamp some of DD's villains and use them. Since Miles is a street level hero, perhaps it would be interesting to see him fight against different versions of DD's villains.

[wyokid]

That along with having a dartboard of character names, a blindfold and a vendetta against X-characters. Seriously what was the point in killing characters like Polaris, Cannonball, or Sunspot? They were glorified background characters for the most part and even with Polaris having gotten an arc in Magnetic North, we still knew next to nothing about her. Ultimatum may have changed the game but it also wasted so much potential pointlessly with characters who, up till then hadn't actually done much or were pretty different from their 616 counterpart to begin with. This is a reason I will always look at that event as a putrid stain on the UU's history that while I wish could be forgotten, never can due to everything going on now being an echo of it.

Loeb actually explained this in an interview. He said that there was a way to do no more mutants without magic. This leads me to believe that some of the events in Ultimate Comics: Hawkeye were originally supposed to be part of an Ultimate X arc, but Hickman decided to merge that into the meh-fest we received.

[MrV]

Loeb actually explained this in an interview. He said that there was a way to do no more mutants without magic. This leads me to believe that some of the events in Ultimate Comics: Hawkeye were originally supposed to be part of an Ultimate X arc, but Hickman decided to merge that into the meh-fest we received.

Part of Ultimate X? That would have probably come out until 2015 at the pace they were going to publish 5 miserable issues. They should have hired Bradshaw to fill in for Adams, both their styles are near identical and we would have gotten more story done in those two years. Such a waste of potential due to delays.

[robcastor729]

They could have the new Ultimate Daredevil be a female. She could be a product of "the Source/Serum"

[Havok C.]

They could have the new Ultimate Daredevil be a female. She could be a product of "the Source/Serum"

Another idea. Have him or her be similar to the mutant Daredevil from Earth X. He was fun.

[Time_to_Zap]

They could have the new Ultimate Daredevil be a female. She could be a product of "the Source/Serum"

She should have precogntion powers- short term, like Ravager. Perhaps someone Miles' age who could be his superhero friend, making Ganke jealous, because she understands what Miles is going through while Ganke doesn't. Perhaps her family was once a client of Matt Murdock's, and that's where she got the idea...God, I hope Bendis reads this.

[Kurolegacy]

Loeb actually explained this in an interview. He said that there was a way to do no more mutants without magic. This leads me to believe that some of the events in Ultimate Comics: Hawkeye were originally supposed to be part of an Ultimate X arc, but Hickman decided to merge that into the meh-fest we received.That explanation became a bit redundant after the relaunch where, at the end of the first arc, mutants in the United States were decimated by the Nimrod attack anyway. Not only that but in spite of the fact that the point of that was to do no more mutants, they just ended up creating a new breed of mutants that number in the thousands (and growing) as a result of The Source. So in other words, this whole thing was a giant circle thus making a lot of those deaths still pretty meaningless.

[wyokid]

The Source isn't spreading though like the x-gene. It's staying in S.E.A.R and has to be taken for it's effects to be active.

[Kurolegacy]

The Source isn't spreading though like the x-gene. It's staying in S.E.A.R and has to be taken for it's effects to be active.
For the time being, yes. But considering that The People already have people like SHIELD or The Children after them, how long can they remain there for especially considering they're basically giving an open invite for people to join them. And even from there, what's to stop any of the people who come from eventually leaving? They wouldn't seem very benevolent if they forced people to stay there against their will should they change their mind. One way or another, unless everyone who took The Source died off, The Source would spread around the world creating a second mutant boom.

[sage6paths]

For the time being, yes. But considering that The People already have people like SHIELD or The Children after them, how long can they remain there for especially considering they're basically giving an open invite for people to join them. And even from there, what's to stop any of the people who come from eventually leaving? They wouldn't seem very benevolent if they forced people to stay there against their will should they change their mind. One way or another, unless everyone who took The Source died off, The Source would spread around the world creating a second mutant boom.

I thought the Source had some sort of brain washing ability. Wasn't it Stairs to Heaven lol. Either way they are going to be completely different person after taking the Source.

[Toxic]

more replacement characters..... seriously???

[Trevor M.]

She should have precogntion powers- short term, like Ravager. Perhaps someone Miles' age who could be his superhero friend, making Ganke jealous, because she understands what Miles is going through while Ganke doesn't. Perhaps her family was once a client of Matt Murdock's, and that's where she got the idea...God, I hope Bendis reads this.This is an awesome idea.

[MrV]

more replacement characters..... seriously???

I agree, instead of a third Daredevil we should have a new character or at least a new Ultimazation. Echo would fit well with Time_to_Zap's idea.

For a new character... how about an albino superhero with the power to change the state of matter? Say he touches a desk and liquifies it, or he solidifies magma, or makes dust from adamantium.