biggest loss to the dcnu

[RohanRiderX]

This question popped into my head while watching absolute justice. And the jlu episode legends.

What do you guys think is the biggest loss to the universe. I personally think.its the abseence of the jsa on the main earth I will miss the old guys still teaching the jla/ titans a thing or too

[doordoor123]

Looks like you're a glass half-empty kind of guy. What about what you think is the biggest gain is?
I think that the accusation of Vertigo and Wildstorm were the biggest gains.

[Jabare]

To answer the OP's question. I'd say the loss of the New Teen Titans history. Thats really the biggest thing for me. Really loved those stories and characters. I don't think the JSA is a big loss all in all to future stories.

Aside from losing some histories of certain New Teen Titans members there are like 2 characters I wish were handled differently in the relaunch. That's about ti for me.

[Reginleif]

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[ArnoldoAAD]

To answer the OP's question. I'd say the loss of the New Teen Titans history. Thats really the biggest thing for me. Really loved those stories and characters. I don't think the JSA is a big loss all in all to future stories.

Aside from losing some histories of certain New Teen Titans members there are like 2 characters I wish were handled differently in the relaunch. That's about ti for me.

I was thinking about that too but in reality its not such a big lost concidering that NTT was 20 years ago and on the recent years the titans franchice has been worst than ever
not only to mention that some of that will somehow stick in DCnU

I think the biggest lost on the DCnU has been having so many missing chances like the chance to bring Mr Terrific, Static, Green Arrow and others back to the spotlight only to miserably fail at it

on context on what is the biggest lost due a retcon
i would say Oracle


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Lol!

[StoopKidLivesOn]

Wally West is by far the biggest loss for me. But also Booster Gold being an amazing character. It's a shame 52 and his second series seems to be erased. I'm crossing my fingers that Ted Kord and Vic Sage still existed in their roles, even if they stay dead, I'd be fine with them just staying canon.

[Oni Squirrel]

I hate beating a dead horse, while possibly opening a can of worms at the same time, but I'm still going to say it. I think the removal of Wally West is the biggest loss. I think Barry's return is fine and DC has managed to handle it relatively well, but to see a character who survived so long and managed to fill a legacy role so effectively simply get the shaft in the reboot is endlessly disappointing to me.

To answer Doordoor123's question which I think has equal merit. I'd say the energy in the superman line has been one of the great gains, and what's been done to Supergirl has moved her into being one of my favorite characters month to month.

[RohanRiderX]

Looks like you're a glass half-empty kind of guy. What about what you think is the biggest gain is?
I think that the accusation of Vertigo and Wildstorm were the biggest gains.
I can agree with this its nice to have everything under one roof but I still belive the lack of a jsa is bad.

[ArnoldoAAD]

just to complement, i think the biggest gain is the entire Dark Line of DC

[Jabare]

I was thinking about that too but in reality its not such a big lost concidering that NTT was 20 years ago and on the recent years the titans franchice has been worst than ever
not only to mention that some of that will somehow stick in DCnU

I think the biggest lost on the DCnU has been having so many missing chances like the chance to bring Mr Terrific, Static, Green Arrow and others back to the spotlight only to miserably fail at it

on context on what is the biggest lost due a retcon
i would say Oracle



Lol!

Yeah thats more a personal lost. The characters are being used in no and productive ways. The only character who seems ot be really effected by the NTT loss is Nightwing in my opinion. He's seemingly lost a lot of his depth and connections to the hero community. And seems to be right bach where he was pre-Final Crisis, but without all those long standing friendships and connections.

I think Static is still very salvagaeable. It just takes some time. He suffered from a really bad run, but thankfully they didn't redo his origin and stick him with an awful one. Now it won't be easy, and I worry DC will give up on him.

Mr. Terrific is a bigger problem in my mind. The damage control on that character will have to be extensive. Pandorra just needs to show up and unboot him.

Green Arrow is in decent shape. I've always found modern day archer heroes a little weak personally. I mean we've got all these far more advanced weapons that would be way more effective. Just give him guns. Say they are trick bullets if you want.


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just to complement, i think the biggest gain is the entire Dark Line of DC

I do think the 52 has several strong titles.

[Johnny P. Sartre]

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[vampiric_cannibal]

That gif is awesome. I'd say the loss of the old Batfamily. Its not the same anymore, and it used to be epic. And my favourite got put in limbo. Oh well, my second favourite got a great book, building his character.

[FIFTY-TWO (52)]

This question popped into my head while watching absolute justice. And the jlu episode legends.

What do you guys think is the biggest loss to the universe. I personally think.its the abseence of the jsa on the main earth I will miss the old guys still teaching the jla/ titans a thing or too

Well, even in the Legends episode, the JSA lived on another Earth. That's how it was for decades until DC brought them to the main Earth. Even then, they were trapped in Limbo fighting off the Ragnarok for years. I kinda like that they're back on an Earth of their own, where they guide future generations of heroes, including their children.

[Kyer]

Am I the only one who thinks it is a bit rude to answer a thread with a question as to why the poster is asking the question or not including another question that is 180-degrees from the one asked? There are a gaggle of threads in the forums asking for pros and cons. Respect the original thread poster, guys and at least answer the actual question.

My own is that I miss Wally West the most by far and away. However, I grieve with others who have also been disenfranchised with the reboot/launch. Its not the one loss...each loss posted hurts. I'll add that I also miss Superman's previous long history with his parents and Lois. I also miss that they have yet to bring back Ted or Ralph. There's so darn much that I miss that it's become impossible to see the good parts of the renovations without noticing the marks on the carpet from the missing furniture...so to speak. I can't view Teen Titans without thinking about Wally and Raven. I can't look at Barry without remembering Wally, Max, Jay, The Quicks.

For me the relaunch is a pretty papered shadow of what I once had.

And....

Can't believe I'm saying this but.... yeah, am sort of missing the 'boob window' too. Never particularly cared one way or the other before, but now that its gone its just...wrong somehow. Like having them covered up is likely to cause the contained heat from those monsters to ignite her suit and create another (more singed edged) window anyway. jk

[Dr. Hurt]

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[Outside_85]

The biggest loss to the dcnu is the history of the dcu.

[NotSuper]

I'm also saying the boob window.

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[Goggindowner]

Power Girl. Even though we are getting her back, so far she doesn't appear to be anything like her pre-Flashpoint self. I am unhappy. Also the JSA as a whole. Again, we have been told they are coming back, but I thought the team and the series was pretty well perfect before, despite some down periods there at the end.

I also count the loss of Wildstrom as just that, a loss. From what I have seen, these books and concepts worked better separately. Now I am sure there will never be another true Authority series. Also very sad.

[Dr. Hurt]

I'm also saying the boob window.

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Hahahahahaha! I am dying with laughter over here!

[marvelprince]

Wally West. Hands down the biggest loss to the DCnU. I still can't believe that he's not around in some capacity. I have to think he's going to be showing up somewhere, but I reeeeally don't want him regressed to Kid Flash or something.

[NotSuper]

Wally West. Hands down the biggest loss to the DCnU. I still can't believe that he's not around in some capacity. I have to think he's going to be showing up somewhere, but I reeeeally don't want him regressed to Kid Flash or something.
YOUNG ADULT Flash?

It could work.

[Superdog]

Looks like you're a glass half-empty kind of guy. What about what you think is the biggest gain is?
I think that the accusation of Vertigo and Wildstorm were the biggest gains.

The idea that Vertigo is it's own separate universe strikes me as really stupid, considering it was never meant that way and there was never any evidence that that was the case.

[Ilash]

The biggest loss to the dcnu is the history of the dcu.

Precisely. I'm enjoying the New 52 but this is a problem that is only going to become more troublesome as the months and years go on.

[Ilash]

Wally West. Hands down the biggest loss to the DCnU. I still can't believe that he's not around in some capacity. I have to think he's going to be showing up somewhere, but I reeeeally don't want him regressed to Kid Flash or something.

I still think the best way to deal with Wally is leave him as is and have him and his family travel between the old and New DCU via the Speed Force.

[FoxMulder2012]

I miss The New Teen Titans. Starfire is a shell of her former self, Cyborg is suffering the effects of tokenism in Justice League. I just hope his role is bigger in the next couple arcs, but it looks like they'll be increasing the size of the teams, so I'm not optimistic. Nightwing is doing pretty well. Not as well as he was prior to the DCnU with Morrison and Snyder writing him, but I wasn't expecting that forever. Beast Boy will be showing up in May, but from what I can tell, he's a completely different character.

Now Raven, Donna Troy, and Wally West are unfortunately nowhere to be found...

[OBrianTallent]

I would have to say the history of the DCU. After that, the New Teen Titans era/characters. If we are going based on it being said that the current Teen Titans are the first group, we've lost a lot of story and characters (so far.)

[Dr. Hurt]

With Barry as the Flash and Bart as KF, i dont know where Wally would fit. Same for Donna.
I'm sorry but Batman can do that with Nightwing and Batgirl (RHatO doesnt really look or feel like a batbook so it stands on its own) and that's because he's batman. And even so, Nightwing isnt setting the charts on fire.

When you have the adult and the teen version of a hero, its hard to see where another hero would fit in between the two. Not unless its a Corps franchise like GL. The DCnU is supposed to make things easy for new readers, so Cass, Steph, Dickbats, Wally and Donna are out. 1 Flash, 1 WW, 1 Batman, 1 Batgirl.

I'm just telling you how they think and why i cant really blame them. Personally, i dont see why Barry had to go back and be young and single again. They could have done that with Wally. Barry was in the JL founding members, he trained Wally, died and Wally took over. Its simple. Wally is back to being young and single and courting his future wife again, like Barry and Clark are doing. The difference is that Clark isnt a piece of cardboard but Barry is. So good riddance. Wally could have had the same book and made it that much more interesting with his personality, perhaps with a few little infusions to his (already good) character from his more fun and lighthearted versions in JLU and YJ.

[OBrianTallent]

I miss The New Teen Titans. Starfire is a shell of her former self, Cyborg is suffering the effects of tokenism in Justice League. I just hope his role is bigger in the next couple arcs, but it looks like they'll be increasing the size of the teams, so I'm not optimistic. Nightwing is doing pretty well. Not as well as he was prior to the DCnU with Morrison and Snyder writing him, but I wasn't expecting that forever. Beast Boy will be showing up in May, but from what I can tell, he's a completely different character.

Now Raven, Donna Troy, and Wally West are unfortunately nowhere to be found...

Raven is said to have a role in the larger DCnU coming up (outside of the Teen Titans that is.)

[FoxMulder2012]

That's true. I have heard that, but at the same time, I'm sure everyone will appear at some point. But right out of the gate, that's the thing that struck me the most; how much of a bad state the Wolfman/Perez era Teen Titans were in.

[Red_10]

The biggest loss to the dcnu is the history of the dcu.

Pretty much this. Personally it's been the compression of the bat history and the changes therein. No more Oracle, no more Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. :frown:

[The Lucky One]

I do definitely miss the presence of the JSA and other Golden Age characters. Whether it was a good idea to combine the earths in the first place is another argument, but once it was done, writers got some really good mileage out of having the JSA around to mentor the younger generation. Jay's mentoring of Wally and Bart, Alan and Jennie-Lynn as Kyle Rayner's teacher and girlfriend respectively, Ted and Jack Knight in Starman... all presumably lost or at least drastically, ham-fistedly revised.

On a personal level, though, what hurts the most is losing the Young Justice characters. Yes, technically they still exist, but everyone except Tim Drake has a completely, entirely different origin, backstory, and costume, so functionally they're just new characters. All of Superboy's solo book, all or most of Impulse's, all of the Wonder Girl stories in YJ and elsewhere, Arrowette and Secret are presumably just entirely gone... that hurts. That's the stuff I grew up on, and I suppose it's one of the big reasons I'm just not interested in the DCnU. I'm not officially boycotting it out of rage or petulance or anything; I just honestly have no interest. Earth-2 might change that, we'll see. (Fingers crossed!)

-D

[RohanRiderX]

Am I the only one who thinks it is a bit rude to answer a thread with a question as to why the poster is asking the question or not including another question that is 180-degrees from the one asked? There are a gaggle of threads in the forums asking for pros and cons. Respect the original thread poster, guys and at least answer the actual question.

My own is that I miss Wally West the most by far and away. However, I grieve with others who have also been disenfranchised with the reboot/launch. Its not the one loss...each loss posted hurts. I'll add that I also miss Superman's previous long history with his parents and Lois. I also miss that they have yet to bring back Ted or Ralph. There's so darn much that I miss that it's become impossible to see the good parts of the renovations without noticing the marks on the carpet from the missing furniture...so to speak. I can't view Teen Titans without thinking about Wally and Raven. I can't look at Barry without remembering Wally, Max, Jay, The Quicks.

For me the relaunch is a pretty papered shadow of what I once had.

And....

Can't believe I'm saying this but.... yeah, am sort of missing the 'boob window' too. Never particularly cared one way or the other before, but now that its gone its just...wrong somehow. Like having them covered up is likely to cause the contained heat from those monsters to ignite her suit and create another (more singed edged) window anyway. jk

Ya know that sums it up for me perfect analogy

The new stuff is good but there is obviously things missing.

[Sandor Clegane]

Ya know that sums it up for me perfect analogy

The new stuff is good but there is obviously things missing.I totally agree. I'm not enjoying much of the new DCU stuff because I grew up reading the good stuff, from guys like Moore, Mazzuchelli, Grell and Chaykin, but also developed a healthy respect for the creaky old stuff by Fox, Broome, Swan, Kane and Kubert.

The harsh, cold reality is that stuff gets lost in every transition. And it will never be the same ever again.

[R0NIN]

The New Teen Titans. This includes Wally West being erased from history. This includes the Grayson/Deathstroke rivalry. This includes Raven. This includes one of the best stories ever told The Judas Contract. etc. etc.

[Joebleau]

The Dc universe history. Starting with the golden age and the middle generation ( Donna, Wally, Roy ect )