Avatar the last Air Bender

[cappa donna]

They need to go get Pakku, considering he is a master. And free Hama, though only temporarily. xP

But Hama's criminally insane.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I've been thinking about something for the last day.
Who is the most likely to attack Zuko when he shows himself to the Gaang?

[Len Ikari145]

I've been thinking about something for the last day.
Who is the most likely to attack Zuko when he shows himself to the Gaang?

It's a tie between Sokka or Katara. Aang may be suspicious, but I can't see him attacking Zuko unprovoked. He is still a pacifist after all.

[Jack]

WHERE THE HELL IS KING BUMI????? Still practicing neutral jing?
Locked up in the same prison that Team Avatar are going to bust open to free everyone towards the end of the series, of course.

[NeoSapien]

I've been thinking about something for the last day.
Who is the most likely to attack Zuko when he shows himself to the Gaang?

Definitely Katara. She befriended him only to have him betray her, which led to Aang's nearly permanent death. Also, she has a rivalry with him almost as much as Aang does. It will probably be a lot like her reaction to Jet. Sokka hasn't interacted with Zuko significantly since the 1st season, and he's not the type to flip out and attack people without provocation.

[lonewolf23k]

I'm thinking Zuko may inspire Mai and Ty Lee to defect as well. Mai because I do think she genuinely cares about Zuko, and I also really don't think she cares a ton about much else, including the Fire nation or the war effort. Ty Lee, because she's really part of a pair with Mai, and also because Azula is such a monstrous bitch to her that it would really only be just if in the end Azula's psychopathic behavior causes all of her "friends" to turn against her.

Exactly what I was thinking. Ty Lee and Mai have never come off as evil as Azula (Ty Lee especially feels more like a good girl on the wrong side). With Zuko switching sides, Mai might not be inclined to stay with Azula (she only joined up in the hopes of seeing Zuko again, after all), and Ty Lee just seems like looking for an excuse for jumping ships. Especially since Sokka's on the other side. ;)

...That, and I can see both Mai and Ty Lee getting tired of being treated like Azula's lapdogs rather then real friends.

[Ghost]

Hypocritical cretin! You are one of the few unorthodox Zutarians who applies such a nigh-nonexistent concept amongst your shipping collective.

That's why you're one of my few Zutarian friends. :D

And I agree about them possibly becoming friends(though that seems more probable on Aang's end). At the very least she'll bring herself forgive him (albeit reluctantly)

I think they'll clash quite a lot, a la Han and Leia. Hence the sexual tension. :D

I've said it before and I'll say it again: when you get right down to it those two are very similar.

They need to go get Pakku, considering he is a master. And free Hama, though only temporarily. xP

I doubt they'll get to Pakku. At this point I forsee that Aang's firebending teacher will be either Zuko or Iroh.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, it should be Zuko. Notice that Aang's masters are never quite the old venerable dudes you expect. Sure, technically Pakku was his waterbending master but Katara taught him the basics and helped him refine his skills after leaving the North pole, to the point where he probably considers her his master more then Pakku. Then they went to see Bumi but he was too busy pretending to be a helpless prisoner and instead sent them after Toph. So, if we are to follow the theme of Young Master Who Ends Up Joining The Team, Zuko is the obvious choice.

Edit again: Sorry, mistook Pakku for Jeong Jeong. but I think I still made a pretty good point so I'll keep it like that.

And Hama is a complete nutcase. A badass nutcase, granted, but a nutcase non the less.

It's a tie between Sokka or Katara. Aang may be suspicious, but I can't see him attacking Zuko unprovoked. He is still a pacifist after all.

I dunno, Aang's been pretty aggressive lately.

Though, I see this going pretty much exactly like it did with Jet:

Katara: Die! *captures Zuko in ice* After last time, there is no way I'll ever trust you again!

Zuko: No, really! I'm a better person now. Honest, I've changed.

Toph: It's true, he is.

Aang: Cool, you're in.

Katara: ...Oh, alright.

[Young Avenger]

I dunno, Aang's been pretty aggressive lately.

Though, I see this going pretty much exactly like it did with Jet:

Katara: Die! *captures Zuko in ice* After last time, there is no way I'll ever trust you again!

Zuko: No, really! I'm a better person now. Honest, I've changed.

Toph: It's true, he is.

Aang: Cool, you're in.

Katara: ...Oh, alright.

I don't see that working. If Azula can get through Toph's lie detector she'll probably believe Zuko can do the same.

[Ghost]

I don't see that working. If Azula can get through Toph's lie detector she'll probably believe Zuko can do the same.

Azula is quite a different animal from Zuko, and I think Toph is well aware of that.

I mean, Azula was, like, the one person ever to successfully lie to Toph, which probably has something to do with the fact that she's a bleeding sociopath.

Besides, I didn't mean it literarely. I just don't think they'll spend that much time deciding if they should trust him or not. They're a pretty trusting bunch, after all.

[Arilou]

Exactly what I was thinking. Ty Lee and Mai have never come off as evil as Azula (Ty Lee especially feels more like a good girl on the wrong side). With Zuko switching sides, Mai might not be inclined to stay with Azula (she only joined up in the hopes of seeing Zuko again, after all), and Ty Lee just seems like looking for an excuse for jumping ships. Especially since Sokka's on the other side. ;)

...That, and I can see both Mai and Ty Lee getting tired of being treated like Azula's lapdogs rather then real friends.

I can totally see Ozai's angels facing Zuko three-on-one only for two to switch sides and reverse the situation...

[FroFroYo]

But Hama's criminally insane.



That's only a minor technicality.
=D

[Antonio B.]

This has to be one of the best shows on tv. Not cartoons but shows in general. The character development, plot, etc., is just great. I always want to see what is gonna happen next.

[Surtur]

Do you think that it's pretty well cemented that Azula>Aang (w/o Avatar State) or are you one of "those"? And the Dai Li werer fuggin SICK. They did well against Toph, which is quite a feat IMO. I loved the "you can't do shit to me" look that Azula gave Sokka as she lept over him in slow motion. Not only doesn't she fear Aang. She doesn't even regard him as serious threat, which is consistant with her perpetual domination of him.

If you're attempting to show Azula is superior to Aang, this fight would not be the best to use. I just re-watched it again, Aang and Toph just chased her around, both fighting VERY stupidly. Yeah there was that one instance in the beginning where Toph makes the mass of earth come up and azula kinda uses it's momentum to leap back, but after that until they subdued her..nothing. Aang is just shooting blasts of air at her and even THOSE were weak as he can produce blasts of air in a much larger radius yet didn't. Toph is just running behind him doing..nothing. She could of had rocks jutting out of the walls and the ground left and right, Aang could of as well. In fact, that is exactly how she took down the last earthbender protecting Azula, made a small pillar of rock jet out from the wall and knock him into this metal thing, where toph then sealed him in. Why wasn't she doing stuff like that to Azula? Her and Aang could of constantly been using earth bending to mess up the very walls and ground she was running and jumping off of, but they didn't. All Aang did was blast air at her. Aang and Toph both using earthbending with intelligence could of easily killed/ko'ed her. She needed to survive because of the plot and since she was power-less, those with powers were forced to use them like morons. This doesn't make her look good, it just shows that the avatar and a master earthbender had to job hard in order to make a powerless azula look good. Either they jobbed or just were purposely holding back because they didn't wanna kill her, which still doesn't make her look good. Not saying she is or isn't superior to Aang, but this fight sure as hell did not show it. The only other explanation I can think of as to why they didn't earthbend as well as they could have would be fear that they might mess up the stability of the volcano and cause some lava to cave in on them, but since they probably would of voiced such concerns aloud it was most likely jobbing or them holding back.

[Ghost]

The only other explanation I can think of as to why they didn't earthbend as well as they could have would be fear that they might mess up the stability of the volcano and cause some lava to cave in on them, but since they probably would of voiced such concerns aloud it was most likely jobbing or them holding back.

Plus, Toph can apparently "see" shit through kilometers of rock if she needs to. If there was magma anywhere near that cave she'd have know exactly where and how much.

[Len Ikari145]

Azula is quite a different animal from Zuko, and I think Toph is well aware of that.

I mean, Azula was, like, the one person ever to successfully lie to Toph, which probably has something to do with the fact that she's a bleeding sociopath.

Besides, I didn't mean it literarely. I just don't think they'll spend that much time deciding if they should trust him or not. They're a pretty trusting bunch, after all.

I dunno, Aang's been pretty aggressive lately.

Though, I see this going pretty much exactly like it did with Jet:

Katara: Die! *captures Zuko in ice* After last time, there is no way I'll ever trust you again!

Zuko: No, really! I'm a better person now. Honest, I've changed.

Toph: It's true, he is.

Aang: Cool, you're in.

Katara: ...Oh, alright.

I don't know. The creators said that Katara was going to be more cautious and jaded after what happened with Zuko(who could blame her?). Aang may have become more assertive, he's not really aggressive. And after the "the Avatar and The Firelord", I don't see him trying to blast Zuko or being hostile towards him. He'll be naturally suspicious (after all, he's the guy who's been his enemy since the beginning and helped his psychotic sister kill him), but he's the second most likely give the guy the benefit of a doubt. The first being Toph due to her friendship with Iroh and the fact that she would be able to detect whether or not he's lying.

Really, Sokka and Katara are the only ones that need really convincing in my eyes. To Sokka, Zuko's the Fire Nation prince who has been their enemy that's been after them since the beginning. Plus, you know the remnants of his old prejudices are going arouse with Zuko around. Katara, well, we already know Katara's reason.

Of course, as you pointed out, they're not in the position to chose allies so while they may invite into their party, they're going to really trust him unless he does something extraordinary to earn their trust.

I think they'll clash quite a lot, a la Han and Leia. Hence the sexual tension.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: when you get right down to it those two are very similar.

*sweatdrops* You're a hopeless romantic. Even moreso than me.

[cappa donna]

If you're attempting to show Azula is superior to Aang, this fight would not be the best to use. I just re-watched it again, Aang and Toph just chased her around, both fighting VERY stupidly. Yeah there was that one instance in the beginning where Toph makes the mass of earth come up and azula kinda uses it's momentum to leap back, but after that until they subdued her..nothing. Aang is just shooting blasts of air at her and even THOSE were weak as he can produce blasts of air in a much larger radius yet didn't. Toph is just running behind him doing..nothing. She could of had rocks jutting out of the walls and the ground left and right, Aang could of as well. In fact, that is exactly how she took down the last earthbender protecting Azula, made a small pillar of rock jet out from the wall and knock him into this metal thing, where toph then sealed him in. Why wasn't she doing stuff like that to Azula? Her and Aang could of constantly been using earth bending to mess up the very walls and ground she was running and jumping off of, but they didn't. All Aang did was blast air at her. Aang and Toph both using earthbending with intelligence could of easily killed/ko'ed her. She needed to survive because of the plot and since she was power-less, those with powers were forced to use them like morons. This doesn't make her look good, it just shows that the avatar and a master earthbender had to job hard in order to make a powerless azula look good. Either they jobbed or just were purposely holding back because they didn't wanna kill her, which still doesn't make her look good. Not saying she is or isn't superior to Aang, but this fight sure as hell did not show it. The only other explanation I can think of as to why they didn't earthbend as well as they could have would be fear that they might mess up the stability of the volcano and cause some lava to cave in on them, but since they probably would of voiced such concerns aloud it was most likely jobbing or them holding back.

Hey Surtur! :D I guess I've given up on that angle. You say Toph jobs, I say Azula jobs (except for the fact that she ALWAYS wins so I really can't) and we can go on and on for days just picking and choosing what we want to acknowledge....or we can except what the writers write. Either one is ok, but I have to admit, arguing on behalf of Azula here has REALLY mentally fatigued me. :o

[lonewolf23k]

I don't know. The creators said that Katara was going to be more cautious and jaded after what happened with Zuko(who could blame her?). Aang may have become more assertive, he's not really aggressive. And after the "the Avatar and The Firelord", I don't see him trying to blast Zuko or being hostile towards him. He'll be naturally suspicious (after all, he's the guy who's been his enemy since the beginning and helped his psychotic sister kill him), but he's the second most likely give the guy the benefit of a doubt. The first being Toph due to her friendship with Iroh and the fact that she would be able to detect whether or not he's lying.

Really, Sokka and Katara are the only ones that need really convincing in my eyes. To Sokka, Zuko's the Fire Nation prince who has been their enemy that's been after them since the beginning. Plus, you know the remnants of his old prejudices are going arouse with Zuko around. Katara, well, we already know Katara's reason.

Of course, as you pointed out, they're not in the position to chose allies so while they may invite into their party, they're going to really trust him unless he does something extraordinary to earn their trust.

That's exactly how I'm seeing it happen. Aang, of all of them, is the one most likely to accept Zuko at face value, if only because he's just that kinda guy. Toph will believe her senses, while Sokka and Katara will be the ones most distrusting of Zuko, at least until he earns their trust.

I also expect Sokka screaming "HE'S THE PRINCE OF THE FIRE NATION, AND THE GUY WHO'S BEEN HUNTING US SINCE WE FIRST MET HIM! AND YOU WANT US TO TRUST HIM?!" at least at one point. :D

[Ghost]

I don't know. The creators said that Katara was going to be more cautious and jaded after what happened with Zuko(who could blame her?). Aang may have become more assertive, he's not really aggressive. And after the "the Avatar and The Firelord", I don't see him trying to blast Zuko or being hostile towards him. He'll be naturally suspicious (after all, he's the guy who's been his enemy since the beginning and helped his psychotic sister kill him), but he's the second most likely give the guy the benefit of a doubt. The first being Toph due to her friendship with Iroh and the fact that she would be able to detect whether or not he's lying.

Really, Sokka and Katara are the only ones that need really convincing in my eyes. To Sokka, Zuko's the Fire Nation prince who has been their enemy that's been after them since the beginning. Plus, you know the remnants of his old prejudices are going arouse with Zuko around. Katara, well, we already know Katara's reason.

Of course, as you pointed out, they're not in the position to chose allies so while they may invite into their party, they're going to really trust him unless he does something extraordinary to earn their trust.

I agree with you on Aang and Toph. (Heck, has Toph ever even met the guy other then very briefly?)

Sokka doesn't strike me as the kind to hold grudges, but on the other hand, after what happened in Day of Black Sun I don't think he'll be in the mood to have any firebender around.

(On the other hand, Zuko could possibly score points by providing info on where Azula might be keeping Suki or something.)

It's true Katara is going to be the hardest one to convince. Hell, it might require an entire episode. But, really, I'm fine with that because it just means Zuko will have to go that extra mile to win her trust. And you know he will, eventually. ;)

*sweatdrops* You're a hopeless romantic. Even moreso than me.

You just wait! :p

[Len Ikari145]

That's exactly how I'm seeing it happen. Aang, of all of them, is the one most likely to accept Zuko at face value, if only because he's just that kinda guy. Toph will believe her senses, while Sokka and Katara will be the ones most distrusting of Zuko, at least until he earns their trust.

I also expect Sokka screaming "HE'S THE PRINCE OF THE FIRE NATION, AND THE GUY WHO'S BEEN HUNTING US SINCE WE FIRST MET HIM! AND YOU WANT US TO TRUST HIM?!" at least at one point. :D

You know he will. He's Sokka.:D

It's true Katara is going to be the hardest one to convince. Hell, it might require an entire episode. But, really, I'm fine with that because it just means Zuko will have to go that extra mile to win her trust. And you know he will, eventually.

Eh, I'll agree that he'll win her trust in the end, but not anytime soon. He'll probably apologize but won't feel obliged to do anything beyond that. He's still Zuko after all.

He'll probably prove himself to by taking a shot for Aang or something along those lines. That's the only way I see her being convinced.

[Len Ikari145]

I can totally see Ozai's angels facing Zuko three-on-one only for two to switch sides and reverse the situation...

I think Ty Lee just may stick Azula should that occur, at least at first. Ty Lee is the one who has no spine when it comes to defying Azula(while Mai's been showing the signs of rebellion since Season 2), so I don't think she's instantly going to turn on her just because Mai would. I do think that Ty Lee may have an epiphany later on, though.

[Jabuka]

WOW I cant believe I saw the newest episode right before it got erased off of you tube all I got to say is awesome

[AllisterH]

I think Ty Lee just may stick Azula should that occur, at least at first. Ty Lee is the one who has no spine when it comes to defying Azula(while Mai's been showing the signs of rebellion since Season 2), so I don't think she's instantly going to turn on her just because Mai would. I do think that Ty Lee may have an epiphany later on, though.

I don't think it is that simple. It's not that Ty Lee is spineless. Its that she recognizes that Azula is psychotic. Remember, Ty Lee has been bullied by Azula since they were little (pushing Ty Lee down just because she can do flips better?) and she recognizes what Azula is capable of.

She's the one that always mentions things like "Of course they're scared you, you WOULD do something horrible to them" to "Azula called harder than the universe".

I mean, look at the first time we saw Ty Lee in the present day and notice her reaction just after she tells Azula "No" and Azula says "ok, I'm staying to watch the show". Ty Lee almost LOST her balance and at the time (Ty Lee losing her balance? By now we in the audience would recognize that's equivalent to the Spirit World freezing Over), all we knew about Azula was that she was Zuko's sister.

Ty Lee, more than even Iroh, Zuko and even Ursa I betcha, *KNOWS* what Azula is capable of. Damn straight she's not ready to cross that bridge as yet.

[lonewolf23k]

On the other hand, that makes Ty Lee the one most likely to jump ships if she thinks there's an escape raft waiting for her on the other side...

[Len Ikari145]

I don't think it is that simple. It's not that Ty Lee is spineless. Its that she recognizes that Azula is psychotic. Remember, Ty Lee has been bullied by Azula since they were little (pushing Ty Lee down just because she can do flips better?) and she recognizes what Azula is capable of.

She's the one that always mentions things like "Of course they're scared you, you WOULD do something horrible to them" to "Azula called harder than the universe".

I mean, look at the first time we saw Ty Lee in the present day and notice her reaction just after she tells Azula "No" and Azula says "ok, I'm staying to watch the show". Ty Lee almost LOST her balance and at the time (Ty Lee losing her balance? By now we in the audience would recognize that's equivalent to the Spirit World freezing Over), all we knew about Azula was that she was Zuko's sister.

Ty Lee, more than even Iroh, Zuko and even Ursa I betcha, *KNOWS* what Azula is capable of. Damn straight she's not ready to cross that bridge as yet.

Wow, you make a very persuasive and insightful argument. You're probably right about Ty Lee knowing Azula better than most since she's always with her (even in the flashbacks of "Zuko Alone", it seems as though Ty Lee hung out more with Azula than Mai).

On the other hand, that makes Ty Lee the one most likely to jump ships if she thinks there's an escape raft waiting for her on the other side...

Also very true.

[Ghost]

Eh, I'll agree that he'll win her trust in the end, but not anytime soon. He'll probably apologize but won't feel obliged to do anything beyond that. He's still Zuko after all.

He'll probably prove himself to by taking a shot for Aang or something along those lines. That's the only way I see her being convinced.

That's actually exactly what I meant. I'm not suggesting he'll go OOC over her or anything. But you know as well as I that Zuko will eventually end up a trusted member of the team anyway. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GetOutOfJailFreeCard) Which still means he'll have to do something extra awesome. ;)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Am I a terribly bad person for thinking that Azokka would be awesome? :D

[Arilou]

Am I a terribly bad person for thinking that Azokka would be awesome? :D

Yes you are.
But only because Azula is MINE!

She'd probably kill me for that, but still.

[AllisterH]

Am I a terribly bad person for thinking that Azokka would be awesome? :D

Personally, I've been calling it Sozula.

And yes, you're not the only one. Can you imagine the brainpower their kids would have?

[Surtur]

Hey Surtur! :D I guess I've given up on that angle. You say Toph jobs, I say Azula jobs (except for the fact that she ALWAYS wins so I really can't) and we can go on and on for days just picking and choosing what we want to acknowledge....or we can except what the writers write. Either one is ok, but I have to admit, arguing on behalf of Azula here has REALLY mentally fatigued me. :o

I mean, I'm not coming at you from a POV where I'm saying Azula isn't skilled or powerful. I even said I don't know if she is or is not more skilled than Aang.

I'm just saying, as for this particular fight, whether you love azula and hate aang and toph or vice versa.. you gotta admit that Toph and Aang did NOT fight to the best of their ability. It is pretty much like having Azula trying to fight someone and only just throwing fireballs and losing, now couldn't you say the fight didn't really show who is more powerful because Azula didn't use all the powers at her disposal? Same thing here. I'm not saying Toph regularly jobs, but judging from the feats we have seen her perform, you know it is well within her ability to have rocks jutting out from the sides of walls and from the ground, etc. However, she, nor Aang, did that. She did it to a Dy Lee member, and dude had Earthbending to protect himself, yet she can't do it to azula? Now, if you're saying Azula's agility was well documented in this fight, agreed. She is damn agile, but that should not of helped her whilst running away from two earthbenders, especially when the arena they were fighting in was pretty much one big weapon for an earthbender, especially a master like Toph and even Aang is almost as powerful as Toph in that aspect. It would of been more believable if the fight took place somewhere where an earthbender couldnt use the ground, walls, etc. all against you. It's just Aang and Toph had way too many options at their disposal that they didn't make use of. I do think Azula's agility, balance, etc. she displayed were legit, I just think that Aang and Toph fighting even half intelligently could of put her down real quick. I guess maybe the fact they had to deal with the Dy Lee while chasing her didn't help, but still.

[Ghost]

Am I a terribly bad person for thinking that Azokka would be awesome? :D

Well, no, not terribly bad. But that's only because Sokka's love interests have shown a tendency to have bad things happening to them. :evilsmile

Of course, at this point even Zukka seems more likely to actually happen, so nyah! :p

[Gladiaria_Alata]

Well, no, not terribly bad. But that's only because Sokka's love interests have shown a tendency to have bad things happening to them. :evilsmile

Of course, at this point even Zukka seems more likely to actually happen, so nyah! :p

Poor Sokka. :(

[cappa donna]

I mean, I'm not coming at you from a POV where I'm saying Azula isn't skilled or powerful. I even said I don't know if she is or is not more skilled than Aang.

I'm just saying, as for this particular fight, whether you love azula and hate aang and toph or vice versa.. you gotta admit that Toph and Aang did NOT fight to the best of their ability. It is pretty much like having Azula trying to fight someone and only just throwing fireballs and losing, now couldn't you say the fight didn't really show who is more powerful because Azula didn't use all the powers at her disposal? Same thing here. I'm not saying Toph regularly jobs, but judging from the feats we have seen her perform, you know it is well within her ability to have rocks jutting out from the sides of walls and from the ground, etc. However, she, nor Aang, did that. She did it to a Dy Lee member, and dude had Earthbending to protect himself, yet she can't do it to azula? Now, if you're saying Azula's agility was well documented in this fight, agreed. She is damn agile, but that should not of helped her whilst running away from two earthbenders, especially when the arena they were fighting in was pretty much one big weapon for an earthbender, especially a master like Toph and even Aang is almost as powerful as Toph in that aspect. It would of been more believable if the fight took place somewhere where an earthbender couldnt use the ground, walls, etc. all against you. It's just Aang and Toph had way too many options at their disposal that they didn't make use of. I do think Azula's agility, balance, etc. she displayed were legit, I just think that Aang and Toph fighting even half intelligently could of put her down real quick. I guess maybe the fact they had to deal with the Dy Lee while chasing her didn't help, but still.

...:mad:

When have Aang or Toph demonstrated the ability to hit a moving target as quick and agile as Azula, or are you just assuming things that have no basis in the show? If you wanna go that route then you can come to any conclusion you want. Toph should have turned the entire mountain into rock armor and smashed the Fire Nation because she's so skilled. :rolleyes:

The constant dismissals of everything Azula does is waaay to transparant. Doesn't it get boring after a while? And if you have a question about whether or not Aang is more skilled than Azula, you should really take another look at the show. Azula reached advanced stages of her bending before Gaang had mastered the basics. And in case you didn't notice Toph DID attack Azula directly. Azula dismissed it as easily as I tie my shoe. With her firebending it would've been unfair. Aang uses the vaunted wind gusts that are supossedly gonna crush Azula (or so I've been told in CBR) and Azula is two steps ahead of them. Toph uses the tried and true "raise a pillar from the ground beneath you opponent" and Azula is a step ahead of that.

Now you tell me, is there anything Azula CAN do that will convince you she outmatches these guys. If not than why pretend it's debatable to you? I can go on for years defending Azula because unlike most I'm armed with IN-SHOW EVIDENCE and not fanfiction versions of events that have NEVER HAPPENED at any point in the show. So please feel free to dispute her feats some more, because I'll be here all day. :evilangry

[Len Ikari145]

Well, no, not terribly bad. But that's only because Sokka's love interests have shown a tendency to have bad things happening to them. :evilsmile

Of course, at this point even Zukka seems more likely to actually happen, so nyah! :p

......I should kill you for that horrible image. Even if it would be funny as hell.:D

Though in all seriousness, Sokka's love life is really the only one that's truly in question here IMO.

We all know that Zuko's going end up with Mai, and Aang with Katara. But just who the hell will Sokka's choice be between Ty Lee, Suki and Toph?

[Jack]

Personally, I've been calling it Sozula.

And yes, you're not the only one. Can you imagine the brainpower their kids would have?
They'd probably be unlucky enough to inherit Katara and Zuko's brains... the poor, poor kids.

[yeoman]

They'd probably be unlucky enough to inherit Katara and Zuko's brains... the poor, poor kids.

I'd say the problem with those two is more that they don't think things through to the consequneces of thier actions rather than lack of brain power.

[Ghost]

......I should kill you for that horrible image. Even if it would be funny as hell.:D

My work is done!

Though in all seriousness, Sokka's love life is really the only one that's truly in question here IMO.

We all know that Zuko's going end up with Mai, and Aang with Katara. But just who the hell will Sokka's choice be between Ty Lee, Suki and Toph?

Probably the one he's, you know, already in a relationship with?

Toph is more of a friend, even if she might like the guy more then she lets on. And Ty Lee is still the enemy. Not really good competition for Suki. (Who now also has the Damsel in Distress thing going for her on top of everything else.)

Seriously. Trying to put Sokka together with Ty Lee has to be at least as bad as Zutara.

[Len Ikari145]

My work is done!

Bastard.

:p j/k



Probably the one he's, you know, already in a relationship with?

Toph is more of a friend, even if she might like the guy more then she lets on. And Ty Lee is still the enemy. Not really good competition for Suki. (Who now also has the Damsel in Distress thing going for her on top of everything else.)

Seriously. Trying to put Sokka together with Ty Lee has to be at least as bad as Zutara.

Someone who agrees with me about Ty Sokka. YAY!:p

[Len Ikari145]

Damn this site to Hell!

[ddqfpluskick]

Now that I think about it. Ty Lee learning how to shut down bending would seem like a way to protect oneself.

Poor Suki......if......ya know. I'm serious wondering about Sokka being cursed.

[CDB]

Poor Suki......if......ya know. I'm serious wondering about Sokka being cursed.

I think so. Dear Toph, just stay friends with him don't take things to the next level.

Just stay friends!!!:eek:

[literally exaggerated]

Aang and/or Toph could have killed Azula extremely easily in the fight, had they simply bent the supports in the tunnels in order to collapse them, thus killing everyone therein. For someone like Toph who can hear weakpoints in the rock and do fairly powerful reshaping, simply collapsing any earth-based structure would be easy.

But that is not, and has never been, how Aang and Toph operate. They fight to capture or to knock out or wound. Never to kill. Thats not "stupidity", its just a fundamental aspect of their personality. Even when confronted with a situation where fighting to kill seems absolutely necessary, they just won't cross that line.

So in their fight with Azula, they *were* going all out, fighting to the best of their ability insofar as they were fighting as hard as they were willing to fight. And Azula proved that against air-blasts and rock-bending designed to knock her around rather than simply crush her to death, she is more than agile to evade them both.

Saying "well if they stopped fighting like that..." is pointless. They won't just crush her under the rock any more than Aang would bend the air out of her lungs or Katara will siphon water straight out of her enemies and kill them the same way she does flowers. Theoretical, maximum-destruction applications of powers have nothing whatsoever to do with how the characters themselves can reasonably be expected to perform in a real fight. They are who they are, the good guys, and they fight like it, even when it means losing, and even when going the Azula-all-out-ruthlessness route might mean victory. That is never, ever gonna change. If/when they do beat Azula, it will be because they finally improved to where they could beat her fighting on their terms, not because they simply decided to abandon morality and turn their bending into a tool for murder.

[cappa donna]

Aang and/or Toph could have killed Azula extremely easily in the fight, had they simply bent the supports in the tunnels in order to collapse them, thus killing everyone therein. For someone like Toph who can hear weakpoints in the rock and do fairly powerful reshaping, simply collapsing any earth-based structure would be easy.

But that is not, and has never been, how Aang and Toph operate. They fight to capture or to knock out or wound. Never to kill. Thats not "stupidity", its just a fundamental aspect of their personality. Even when confronted with a situation where fighting to kill seems absolutely necessary, they just won't cross that line.

So in their fight with Azula, they *were* going all out, fighting to the best of their ability insofar as they were fighting as hard as they were willing to fight. And Azula proved that against air-blasts and rock-bending designed to knock her around rather than simply crush her to death, she is more than agile to evade them both.

Saying "well if they stopped fighting like that..." is pointless. They won't just crush her under the rock any more than Aang would bend the air out of her lungs or Katara will siphon water straight out of her enemies and kill them the same way she does flowers. Theoretical, maximum-destruction applications of powers have nothing whatsoever to do with how the characters themselves can reasonably be expected to perform in a real fight. They are who they are, the good guys, and they fight like it, even when it means losing, and even when going the Azula-all-out-ruthlessness route might mean victory. That is never, ever gonna change. If/when they do beat Azula, it will be because they finally improved to where they could beat her fighting on their terms, not because they simply decided to abandon morality and turn their bending into a tool for murder.

:eek:

Cosigned.

[CDB]

Aang and/or Toph could have killed Azula extremely easily in the fight, had they simply bent the supports in the tunnels in order to collapse them, thus killing everyone therein. For someone like Toph who can hear weakpoints in the rock and do fairly powerful reshaping, simply collapsing any earth-based structure would be easy.

But that is not, and has never been, how Aang and Toph operate. They fight to capture or to knock out or wound. Never to kill. Thats not "stupidity", its just a fundamental aspect of their personality. Even when confronted with a situation where fighting to kill seems absolutely necessary, they just won't cross that line.

So in their fight with Azula, they *were* going all out, fighting to the best of their ability insofar as they were fighting as hard as they were willing to fight. And Azula proved that against air-blasts and rock-bending designed to knock her around rather than simply crush her to death, she is more than agile to evade them both.

Saying "well if they stopped fighting like that..." is pointless. They won't just crush her under the rock any more than Aang would bend the air out of her lungs or Katara will siphon water straight out of her enemies and kill them the same way she does flowers. Theoretical, maximum-destruction applications of powers have nothing whatsoever to do with how the characters themselves can reasonably be expected to perform in a real fight. They are who they are, the good guys, and they fight like it, even when it means losing, and even when going the Azula-all-out-ruthlessness route might mean victory. That is never, ever gonna change. If/when they do beat Azula, it will be because they finally improved to where they could beat her fighting on their terms, not because they simply decided to abandon morality and turn their bending into a tool for murder.

....:eek: :eek:

WINNER OF THE INTERNET!!!
for Tuesday, November 13, 2007 A.D.

[lonewolf23k]

I think another thing that needs to be considered was that the Dai Lee agents were basically running interference with their own Earthbending. Toph's superior skill allowed her to keep up, but not much else. As for Aang, well as I said, the Dai Lee were interfering with their Earthbending, so it only makes sense for Aang to forgo Earthbending himself and instead go with Airbending, which is not only his strongest element, but also a strong counter to Earth, being it's opposite element.

Azula's biggest advantage is that she knew the attack was coming for months. Months she must've spent planning her defenses. I wouldn't be surprised if part of that planning included her training her acrobatics skills with Ty Lee, using the Dai Lee as practice partners for fighting against Earthbenders.

[lonewolf23k]

And thinking about the possibility of Ty Lee and Mai switching to Team Avatar, I'd love to see it happen, for one main reason...

Having benders and non-benders of all four nations on the Heroes' team would fit the overall theme of the Avatar universe, which is Balance. Balance between Man and Nature, Balance between the Four Elements, Balance between the Four Nations.

The defeat of the Firelord shouldn't simply be the three other nations triumphing over the Fire Nation, but heroes of all Four Nations coming together to end the War.

[Bakasama]

And thinking about the possibility of Ty Lee and Mai switching to Team Avatar, I'd love to see it happen, for one main reason...

Having benders and non-benders of all four nations on the Heroes' team would fit the overall theme of the Avatar universe, which is Balance. Balance between Man and Nature, Balance between the Four Elements, Balance between the Four Nations.

The defeat of the Firelord shouldn't simply be the three other nations triumphing over the Fire Nation, but heroes of all Four Nations coming together to end the War.

About that, I have a sneaking suspicion that the prisoners from DofBS might share the same prison space as Suki and Bumi. The guy who frees them might be a familiar face.

[Dark Soul # 7]

If Ty Lee and Mai both switch to the Gaang's side and they get support from the Order of the White Lotus and free everybody who was captured during TdoBS, they are going to be somewhat overpowered. And that's not counting Pakkun, Jeong Jeong and a possible return Aang's avatar state.

Ozai and Azula better be getting some uber-fighters of their own. Because them, the Combustion man and the Dai Lee agents ain't gonna cut it. Although with the comet their usual cannonfodder might turn into super warriors. But still, the fire nation needs more noticable fighters on Ozai's side.

[Ghost]

Someone who agrees with me about Ty Sokka. YAY!:p

Keep in mind that this is coming from a Zutara fan, though. ;) :p

Now that I think about it. Ty Lee learning how to shut down bending would seem like a way to protect oneself.

Poor Suki......if......ya know. I'm serious wondering about Sokka being cursed.

Well, at least Suki is still alive.

You know, if the Fire Nation has one major redeeming quality, it's that they don't kill prisoners. If you surrender to them you can always count on getting to live, even if it won't be nice. They even go out of their way to construct special bending prisons even though simply genociding the benders like they did with the Air Nomads would have been much simpler and cheaper.

If Ty Lee and Mai both switch to the Gaang's side and they get support from the Order of the White Lotus and free everybody who was captured during TdoBS, they are going to be somewhat overpowered. And that's not counting Pakkun, Jeong Jeong and a possible return Aang's avatar state.

Ozai and Azula better be getting some uber-fighters of their own. Because them, the Combustion man and the Dai Lee agents ain't gonna cut it. Although with the comet their usual cannonfodder might turn into super warriors. But still, the fire nation needs more noticable fighters on Ozai's side.

Keep in mind that once the comet arrives they'll have at least two firebenders on their side (Iroh and Zuko) plus Aang who will probably have mastered firebending by then.

So it's not like the bad guys are the only ones who'll get a boost come the grande finale.

[lonewolf23k]

I don't think Team Avatar will be freeing all of the captives 'till the climactic finale, frankly. As it stands, it's far more dramatic to have our small group of heroes (well, a little less small, thanks to the addition of Haru, Teo and The Duke [and Zuko, soon enough]) set against the entire Fire Nation.

I think there won't be a massive prisonner outbreak until the final, climactic storyline (which is sure to be in three parts).

[Ghost]

I don't think Team Avatar will be freeing all of the captives 'till the climactic finale, frankly. As it stands, it's far more dramatic to have our small group of heroes (well, a little less small, thanks to the addition of Haru, Teo and The Duke [and Zuko, soon enough]) set against the entire Fire Nation.

I think there won't be a massive prisonner outbreak until the final, climactic storyline (which is sure to be in three parts).

Personally, I'm hoping for Sokka going all Errol Flynn and busting Suki and the others out of jail. Really, this entire thing has "Sokka Pwnage" written all over it. :cool:

[Bakasama]

I don't think Team Avatar will be freeing all of the captives 'till the climactic finale, frankly. As it stands, it's far more dramatic to have our small group of heroes (well, a little less small, thanks to the addition of Haru, Teo and The Duke [and Zuko, soon enough]) set against the entire Fire Nation.

I think there won't be a massive prisonner outbreak until the final, climactic storyline (which is sure to be in three parts).

I do think the "Army of Iroh" has a nice ring to it. Iroh was the general who broke the wall of Ba Sing Se. I really do think there's going to be a rebel army to keep the Fire Nation armies occupied while the small group of heroes' defeats the Fire Lord.

[literally exaggerated]

But then, *every* episode has Sokka pwnage written all over it. If Batman were a straight up pimp with a sense of humor and inserted into a kids show, he'd be Sokka.

[Ghost]

But then, *every* episode has Sokka pwnage written all over it. If Batman were a straight up pimp with a sense of humor and inserted into a kids show, he'd be Sokka.

...You make a very good point. ;)

[Len Ikari145]

Keep in mind that this is coming from a Zutara fan, though. ;) :p



Well, duh! I've known that since last year. That's what makes the comment all the more meaningful.;)

[CDB]

Here's the $500,000 question?
Just exactly how much of power boost would Sozien's comet give Ozai, Azula, and the other firebirenders?

Will Ozai just be 5x as powerful....or will become Johnny Storm on HGH!!!....OR Worse yet..:eek:


Will actually hit Firelord level as...in the herald that infamously jobbed to Spiderman!!!

[Young Avenger]

According to Roku back in Season 1, not even the Avatar could stop him if he gets powered up by the comet. It's safe to say that he will at the very least be at Avatar level.

[Ghost]

According to Roku back in Season 1, not even the Avatar could stop him if he gets powered up by the comet. It's safe to say that he will at the very least be at Avatar level.

This can mean only one thing: EYE BEAMS! :eek:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/69/180px-Normal_benes_superman_2.jpg

[lonewolf23k]

Hey, I just thought of something! Even of Ty-Sokka doesn't pan out, Ty Lee could always try her luck with Haru!

[CDB]

According to Roku back in Season 1, not even the Avatar could stop him if he gets powered up by the comet. It's safe to say that he will at the very least be at Avatar level.

I remember that, but what specfically could make him be at or above Avatar-level. That's what I'm curious about.

This can mean only one thing: EYE BEAMS! :eek:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/69/180px-Normal_benes_superman_2.jpg

I glad you posted a pic of Supes....cuz I have a bad feelin' and a theory that the comet just may supercharge Ozai's cells to where hell...:eek:

He'd might friggin pull Superman-esque feats. Eye beams, superspeed, and heck even Superdickery.

[Young Avenger]

heck even Superdickery.

He doesn't need a comet for that. :p

[literally exaggerated]

actually, I really am curious to see what Ozai and Azula bust out under the comet. I'm betting its something more than "even faster lightning" or "fire that burns even hotter".

[Len Ikari145]

actually, I really am curious to see what Ozai and Azula bust out under the comet. I'm betting its something more than "even faster lightning" or "fire that burns even hotter".

I'm also wondering about Iroh and Combustion Man.

[NeoSapien]

I'm also wondering about Iroh and Combustion Man.

I don't think that Combustion Man is going to be around by the finale. And Iroh may not make it to the end, either. :(

Combustion Man in particular will probably get one more episode in which Zuko plays a major role in his defeat. Something like:

Zuko: Avatar Aang, I've come to help you.

Katara: No way! I'll never trust you again after you betrayed us and got Aang killed!

Zuko: I never meant that! That was Azula. I always wanted to take the Avatar alive.

(kaboom! dramatic entry)

Combustion Man: Prince Zuko, I'm here to kill the Avatar as you ordered.

Zuko: Well isn't this just typical of my life!

[Ghost]

I don't think that Combustion Man is going to be around by the finale. And Iroh may not make it to the end, either. :(

Oh, Iroh will be around. They had him bust himself out of jail for a reason, I wager.

[NeoSapien]

Oh, Iroh will be around. They had him bust himself out of jail for a reason, I wager.

Yeah... to face Ozai and die dramatically before the final battle. Or at least, that's a distinct possibility. Iroh isn't needed as Zuko's conscience or as Aang's Firebending ally and teacher anymore.

[CDB]

He doesn't need a comet for that. :p

That is true.

actually, I really am curious to see what Ozai and Azula bust out under the comet. I'm betting its something more than "even faster lightning" or "fire that burns even hotter".

Hence, why the Superman pic....just might be a preview of what might happen.

Either they go the Superman route or Ozai becomes the Avatarverse version of a suped Human Torch....or something in the method of those two.

[Jack]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?

[Jack]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?

[Jack]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?

[Jack]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Keep in mind that once the comet arrives they'll have at least two firebenders on their side (Iroh and Zuko) plus Aang who will probably have mastered firebending by then.

So it's not like the bad guys are the only ones who'll get a boost come the grande finale.That's exactly why I think the Fire Nation need some more noticable troops that just their regular cannon fodder, Azula and Ozai.

If Aang master's fire bending by the time the comet shows and fixes his problem with the avatar state he could probably take down Ozai and Azula on his own.
Personally, I'm hoping for Sokka going all Errol Flynn and busting Suki and the others out of jail. Really, this entire thing has "Sokka Pwnage" written all over it. :cool:Actually that could be a Zukka buddy moment. Because if there's one thing that Zuko has been consistantly good at throughout the entire series it's sneaking into enemy HQ. Him and Sokka doing that together would be great.

[Ghost]

Yeah... to face Ozai and die dramatically before the final battle. Or at least, that's a distinct possibility. Iroh isn't needed as Zuko's conscience or as Aang's Firebending ally and teacher anymore.

Iroh has been kicking ass and taking names on an almost constant basis since the first episode aired. Getting betrayed and thrown in prison only made him more powerful! He is made out of awesome and win and he's all out of bubblegum! Do you seriously belive Mike and Bryan would invest that much jaw in a character and then go and do something like that?

Come on! Have some faith, man!


Actually that could be a Zukka buddy moment. Because if there's one thing that Zuko has been consistantly good at throughout the entire series it's sneaking into enemy HQ. Him and Sokka doing that together would be great.

Oh, I would just love that!

*Sokka putting on his Water Tribe war-paint*

*Zuko putting his Blue Spirit mask over his face*

*Sokka's hand grabbing his meteorite sword*

*Zuko's hand grabbing his double dao*

*Sokka and Zuko in full get-up, overlooking the prison complex. They give each other a nod, and then...*

Shing! Shi-shing!

*...they both draw their swords.*

Sokka: Let's go. :cool:

[Len Ikari145]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?

Yup, that's true (thinks of the sick crap Aang will pull off with Firebending in the Avatar State).

God help the Fire Nation.:D

[Dark Soul # 7]

Oh, I would just love that!

*Sokka putting on his Water Tribe war-paint*

*Zuko putting his Blue Spirit mask over his face*

*Sokka's hand grabbing his meteorite sword*

*Zuko's hand grabbing his double dao*

*Sokka and Zuko in full get-up, overlooking the prison complex. They give each other a nod, and then...*

Shing! Shi-shing!

*...they both draw their swords.*

Sokka: Let's go. :cool:Dude, you totally win the internet or an awesome award or any of those other weird things the people on this board makes up.

In short, awesome!

[Jack]

Of course, won't Aang's Firebending be boosted by the comet too?
Wow, four times. What the hell was up with that?That's exactly why I think the Fire Nation need some more noticable troops that just their regular cannon fodder, Azula and Ozai.There are those archers from the first series. And the Rough Rhinos. Plus they'll inevitably have even more Dai Li. And I expect there are more people in the Fire Nation skilled in the same styles as Mai and Ty Lee, just not as good as them. Imagine how menacing it will be for Benders to face an army of Ty Lees!

And, of course... Sparky Sparky Boom Man.If Aang master's fire bending by the time the comet shows and fixes his problem with the avatar state he could probably take down Ozai and Azula on his own.Aang needs to learn the lightning redirection technique. That way the Avatar State will always have access to it in the future.

Speaking of lightning redirection, I have a feeling that Zuko is going to invent his own move along the same principle. Iroh learnt to redirect lightning by studying Waterbenders, but Zuko: a) has fought Airbenders more than anyone else alive; b) has travelled around the Earth Kingdom; and c) is now going to get the opportunity to observe an Airbender and two Earthbenders close up as their ally.

I'm not sure if he'll invent a technique based on Earth or Airbending, or what that technique would do, though. He could do both, which would probably cement him as the number two young Bender, of course, and it's not unreasonable to think he might end up in that position.

[Ghost]

Dude, you totally win the internet or an awesome award or any of those other weird things the people on this board makes up.

In short, awesome!

Heh, thanks. I do my best. :o :D

[Bakasama]

Speaking of lightning redirection, I have a feeling that Zuko is going to invent his own move along the same principle. Iroh learnt to redirect lightning by studying Waterbenders, but Zuko: a) has fought Airbenders more than anyone else alive; b) has travelled around the Earth Kingdom; and c) is now going to get the opportunity to observe an Airbender and two Earthbenders close up as their ally.

I'm not sure if he'll invent a technique based on Earth or Airbending, or what that technique would do, though. He could do both, which would probably cement him as the number two young Bender, of course, and it's not unreasonable to think he might end up in that position.

I've been thinking about this myself. If you closely, Zuko's been using other waterbending moves and adapted them into fire bending moves. Now if you apply that to Toph, she could adapt waterbending moves into metalbending moves.

[Jack]

I just remembered that Zuko has an excellent in with the heroes - he's the one who set Appa free. He can just mention that after Katara has frozen him solid, and Appa can back it up, and that will go a long way to making up for anything else he's done.

[Len Ikari145]

I just remembered that Zuko has an excellent in with the heroes - he's the one who set Appa free. He can just mention that after Katara has frozen him solid, and Appa can back it up, and that will go a long way to making up for anything else he's done.

He still turned on and helped nearly kill Aang, that's not something that can be easily glossed over. Though mentioning the saving Appa may help give him some credibility.

[Maikofan]

Damnit, I so hate Azula, Toph and Aang can bring her down, and she even more a challenge bending wise.

And Mai, why didn't Zuko take her with him? I wish he took her with him to find Iroh and the Avatar, hopefull Mai and Ty Lee catch a ride and seek out zuko, their little adventure or something.

Oh and Toph kicks ass, enough said, but it pisses me off she doesn't have a witty retort for her like Azula did her.

Dan you mike and bryan.

[lonewolf23k]

I just remembered that Zuko has an excellent in with the heroes - he's the one who set Appa free. He can just mention that after Katara has frozen him solid, and Appa can back it up, and that will go a long way to making up for anything else he's done.

I can think of a better in.. He knows Azula better then any of them. If Sokka wants to outthink Azula, he'll need to know how she thinks. And if there's one thing Zuko knows, it's how Azula's twisted little mind works.

As for Iroh, I think that once Ozai is deposed, Zuko will decline ascending to the throne, claiming he's not yet ready for it, and will offer the crown to Iroh, saying he needs a Good exemple to learn from. And I think Iroh will gladly accept, believing Zuko needs to take some time to enjoy his newfound friendships first..

But that's just my wild theories.

[Maikofan]

I just mad those episodes didn't have Mai. I mean she's funny. I guess she has to be paired with Ty Lee in order to get some importance.

[Len Ikari145]

I just mad those episodes didn't have Mai. I mean she's funny. I guess she has to be paired with Ty Lee in order to get some importance.

Zuko most likely didn't want to endanger Mai by getting her involved with his insubordination, so he didn't take her. Yeah, stupid, but this *is* Zuko we're talking about.

Mai will probably meet up with him later.

[Maikofan]

Zuko most likely didn't want to endanger Mai by getting her involved with his insubordination, so he didn't take her. Yeah, stupid, but this *is* Zuko we're talking about.

Mai will probably meet up with him later.But she doesn't need protection, she's an elite for crap sake, and one of the best range fighters. Zuko is so damn stupid, he's cool for standing up to his dad, but still is stupid.

I hope Mai high tails it out of there so she can find him.

[Len Ikari145]

But she doesn't need protection, she's an elite for crap sake, and one of the best range fighters. Zuko is so damn stupid, he's cool for standing up to his dad, but still is stupid.

I hope Mai high tails it out of there so she can find him.

Of course, when she does, Zuko's probably going to get his ass pinned to a tree with those darts of hers for assuming that she needed to be protected.

[NeoSapien]

I'm betting at least two of the following happen:

a.)Iroh busts out and kicks some serious ass
b.) Azula, being the only firebender who knows about the eclipse and also the leader of the dai li, makes use of the only benders in the firenation (apart from the gaang, obviously) to not only defend against the invasion, but to stage a coup
c.) Aang's presence destroys Zuko's honor, and Zuko is forced to either flee the firenation (if the Gaang escape at the end) or imprisoned as a tratior (if the Gaang are captured at the end). Either way he'll be forced to align himself with the Gaang and begin teaching Aang firebending
d.)Hakoda dies or is captured in the course of the invasion

Nice predictions there. You almost completely nailed everything. Azula didn't stage a coup and Zuko's exit was entirely voluntary (and awesome), but the rest of it was right on target.

[Maikofan]

Of course, when she does, Zuko's probably going to get his ass pinned to a tree with those darts of hers for assuming that she needed to be protected.Zuko is just two strikes away from get shuriken'd in the mommy/daddy button making him completly sterile. He already screwed uo on the beach, that was strike one, now he left her without thinking about her feelings, thats strike two.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Zuko most likely didn't want to endanger Mai by getting her involved with his insubordination, so he didn't take her. Yeah, stupid, but this *is* Zuko we're talking about.

Mai will probably meet up with him later.Don't single out Zuko for doing that. Just about every other fictional hero has done it once or twice to people they love.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Zuko is just two strikes away from get shuriken'd in the mommy/daddy button making him completly sterile. He already screwed uo on the beach, that was strike one, now he left her without thinking about her feelings, thats strike two.Yeah, because Mai was the perfect girlfriend in The Beach.

Didn't he leave her a note or something?

[Jack]

He still turned on and helped nearly kill Aang, that's not something that can be easily glossed over. Though mentioning the saving Appa may help give him some credibility.
Aang will forgive Zuko anything for having freed Appa, and with Aang's forgiveness eventually comes everyone else's, because he's the centre of the group.

Sokka is fairly easy, because Zuko will have information on where Suki is likely to be being kept prisoner; he won't trust Zuko to begin with, but he'll work with him. Toph is easy because she never really met Zuko but befriended Iroh. Aang is naturally easy, and any bitterness he might have will be washed away by the knowledge that Zuko reunited him with Appa. Katara is the only difficult one, and she normally gives way to Aang after she's vented her anger somehow.And Mai, why didn't Zuko take her with him?I think it's because Zuko thinks she's happy where she is... he doesn't realise that the reason she was so happy was because she was with him. But Mai will beat sense into him soon enough.I can think of a better in.. He knows Azula better then any of them. If Sokka wants to outthink Azula, he'll need to know how she thinks. And if there's one thing Zuko knows, it's how Azula's twisted little mind works.Nah. While that's definitely a benefit, it's easier to sell yourself on past accomplishments instead of possible future benefits. Telling them that he knows how Azula thinks is actually more likely to make them not trust him, because it'll remind them of who he is and what he's done to before.

But everything that went wrong for them in Book Two had its roots in Appa's disappearance, and Zuko is the one who changed that.

Besides, Zuko is the one who's going to deal with Azula in the end anyway.

[Len Ikari145]

Don't single out Zuko for doing that. Just about every other fictional hero has done it once or twice to people they love.

Not singling him out(hell, Aang did the same thing at the start of Season 3), but just pointing out it goes into accordance to Zuko's thinking process.

And despite his good intentions, he's still likely gonna get turned into a pincushion by his girlfriend.:p

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I wonder what the Earth Kingdom emperor and his pet bear are up to....

[FroFroYo]

Damnit, I so hate Azula, Toph and Aang can bring her down, and she even more a challenge bending wise.

And Mai, why didn't Zuko take her with him? I wish he took her with him to find Iroh and the Avatar, hopefull Mai and Ty Lee catch a ride and seek out zuko, their little adventure or something.

Oh and Toph kicks ass, enough said, but it pisses me off she doesn't have a witty retort for her like Azula did her.

Dan you mike and bryan.




Not much one can say after being deceived by a blatant lie- especially when she's like, the ultimate lie detector.

[AllisterH]

Not much one can say after being deceived by a blatant lie- especially when she's like, the ultimate lie detector.

Sad to say, but Toph got pwned verbally this episode. That was Toph's worst verbal showing EVER. This was like Toph vs the Boulder. She was never really in it from the start as Azula basically with words obliterated Toph.

From the "Oh really, you think you can tell when I'm lying? Try this...." to "I'm rolling my eyes" and in both cases Toph's response nowhere near as jaw.

I'm supporting Sokka and Azula forever now. He's the only one that has a chance to even meet Azula on the mental battlefield.

Although, a kid with Azula's tendencies and with both her and Sokka's brains is the SCARIEST thing I can imagine the Avatar world ever facing.

[cappa donna]

Damnit, I so hate Azula, Toph and Aang can bring her down, and she even more a challenge bending wise.

And Mai, why didn't Zuko take her with him? I wish he took her with him to find Iroh and the Avatar, hopefull Mai and Ty Lee catch a ride and seek out zuko, their little adventure or something.

Oh and Toph kicks ass, enough said, but it pisses me off she doesn't have a witty retort for her like Azula did her.

Dan you mike and bryan.

Why do you have to hate on Azula, just to give credit to the characters you like? That's not cool.

[Young Avenger]

Why do you have to hate on Azula, just to give credit to the characters you like? That's not cool.

I see what you did there.

[Len Ikari145]

Why do you have to hate on Azula, just to give credit to the characters you like? That's not cool.

So much hypocrisy....

[K.O.V.G]

So it seems Zuko can now do lighting blast or at least redirect it, I have a feeling He's going to be doing some blue flames of his own pretty soon.

[Young Avenger]

^Heard of spoiler tags?

[K.O.V.G]

^Heard of spoiler tags?

Nope and besides they are gonna find out sooner or later as it is.

[Young Avenger]

Yea but still. Episodes haven't aired anywhere yet. Don't want to spoil episodes for people want to see them on TV.

[CDB]

Sad to say, but Toph got pwned verbally this episode. That was Toph's worst verbal showing EVER. This was like Toph vs the Boulder. She was never really in it from the start as Azula basically with words obliterated Toph.

From the "Oh really, you think you can tell when I'm lying? Try this...." to "I'm rolling my eyes" and in both cases Toph's response nowhere near as jaw.

I'm supporting Sokka and Azula forever now. He's the only one that has a chance to even meet Azula on the mental battlefield.



I know there's no shame in getting wtfpwn3d by Azula, but damn Toph got spanked by Azula.

Sokka is the only individual to even engage Azula in the mental arena, but she had his trump card in this epsiode. :(

[Ghost]

So it seems Zuko can now do lighting blast or at least redirect it, I have a feeling He's going to be doing some blue flames of his own pretty soon.

This isn't news. He's known how to redirect lightning ever since Bitter Work, which was, like, ages ago. He just haven't actually done it until now.

He's still nowhere near actually throwing his own lightning around, or blue fire for that matter.

[Nega Knight]

This isn't news. He's known how to redirect lightning ever since Bitter Work, which was, like, ages ago. He just haven't actually done it until now.

He's still nowhere near actually throwing his own lightning around, or blue fire for that matter.


I dunno, the lightning at least might be coming. The whole reason he couldn't do it before was because of his inner-turmoil, which is most likely gone now.

[Maikofan]

Azula > Toph at being a trash talk biotch?:confused:

[Ghost]

I dunno, the lightning at least might be coming. The whole reason he couldn't do it before was because of his inner-turmoil, which is most likely gone now.

Point taken.

[Maikofan]

Zuko looked sick directing that Lighting back at is faggot father. Ozai is so generic. Zuko was real when he faced him, Ozai was just typically predictable.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Ozai wasn´t much impressive in that "fight" either, anyone else thinks Azula could take him down?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Ozai wasn´t much impressive in that "fight" either, anyone else thinks Azula could take him down?Well, he did pull of the biggest lightning attack we've seen in the series. I think that should count for something.

Bt yeah, right now it looks like they're setting up Azula to be the big bad of the series finale.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

This isn't news. He's known how to redirect lightning ever since Bitter Work, which was, like, ages ago. He just haven't actually done it until now.

He's still nowhere near actually throwing his own lightning around, or blue fire for that matter.

How do you figure? It is Avatar stuff, redirecting the lighting, in that it is multi-disciplinary bending. Iroh used a Water Bending technique to create redirecting lightning. Iroh invented it, no one else knows how to do it, and it is from using methods that Firebenders DON'T use, I think it easy to say, it may be very difficult, and Iroh said, even after teaching him, he would NEVER try it on him. If it were a cinch to learn how to do, why wouldn't he just have him practice a bit, it'd be safe. It seemed to me like a dangerous thing, and perhaps a difficult move to master, and seemed pretty impressive sending it back to his dad. I mean, Ozai looked more screwed up than Zuko did afterwards. If he's mastered that, then he is invulernable to lightning, they haven't learned that, so they're VERY vulnerable to him redirecting it, doesn't seem like is is "no where near" throwing lightning to me at all, it seems better.

[Jack]

How do you figure? It is Avatar stuff, redirecting the lighting, in that it is multi-disciplinary bending. Iroh used a Water Bending technique to create redirecting lightning. Iroh invented it, no one else knows how to do it, and it is from using methods that Firebenders DON'T use, I think it easy to say, it may be very difficult, and Iroh said, even after teaching him, he would NEVER try it on him. If it were a cinch to learn how to do, why wouldn't he just have him practice a bit, it'd be safe. It seemed to me like a dangerous thing, and perhaps a difficult move to master, and seemed pretty impressive sending it back to his dad. I mean, Ozai looked more screwed up than Zuko did afterwards. If he's mastered that, then he is invulernable to lightning, they haven't learned that, so they're VERY vulnerable to him redirecting it, doesn't seem like is is "no where near" throwing lightning to me at all, it seems better.
I've thought before that Azula might meet her end in trying to copy Zuko's use of the technique and failing, letting the lightning pass through her heart.

[Gorthaur]

I loved how they animated Ozai's attack "Force Lightning" style. They just love those little Star Wars references, don't they?

Oh, and "Pants are an illusion... as is death." I lolled.

[Ghost]

How do you figure? It is Avatar stuff, redirecting the lighting, in that it is multi-disciplinary bending. Iroh used a Water Bending technique to create redirecting lightning. Iroh invented it, no one else knows how to do it, and it is from using methods that Firebenders DON'T use, I think it easy to say, it may be very difficult, and Iroh said, even after teaching him, he would NEVER try it on him. If it were a cinch to learn how to do, why wouldn't he just have him practice a bit, it'd be safe. It seemed to me like a dangerous thing, and perhaps a difficult move to master, and seemed pretty impressive sending it back to his dad.

What I meant was: we all knew Zuko could redirect lightning since the only reason they'd have Iroh teach it to him in the first place would be for him to use it on either Azula or Ozai.

It's not like they could have had him fail such a critical manouvre, could they?

I mean, Ozai looked more screwed up than Zuko did afterwards. If he's mastered that, then he is invulernable to lightning, they haven't learned that, so they're VERY vulnerable to him redirecting it, doesn't seem like is is "no where near" throwing lightning to me at all, it seems better.

In terms of efficiency, perhaps. In terms of skill, no. The whole reason Iroh taught him how to do it was because Zuko simply lacked the peace of mind and focus to be able to learn actual lightningbending.

Lightning redirecting still strikes me as much easier to learn in theory because the basic idea is very simplistic. It just happens to be insanely dangerous to use in practice.

[lonewolf23k]

In terms of efficiency, perhaps. In terms of skill, no. The whole reason Iroh taught him how to do it was because Zuko simply lacked the peace of mind and focus to be able to learn actual lightningbending.

Of course, now that he's driven himself to a new goal, he might actually find the peace of mind and focus he needs to learn how to lightningbend.

Edit: And if he needs help... Well, who says the whole teaching thing needs to just go one way?

[Ghost]

Of course, now that he's driven himself to a new goal, he might actually find the peace of mind and focus he needs to learn how to lightningbend.

Edit: And if he needs help... Well, who says the whole teaching thing needs to just go one way?

Good point. If anyone can get Zuko to loosen up and achieve inner peace, it's Aang. :)

[NeoSapien]

Good point. If anyone can get Zuko to loosen up and achieve inner peace, it's Aang. :)

Oh no, have the slashers gotten to you?!

[Len Ikari145]

Good point. If anyone can get Zuko to loosen up and achieve inner peace, it's Aang. :)

That's what I'm looking forward to: Aang and Zuko interaction. It'll be interesting to watch to say the least.:)

[Ghost]

Oh no, have the slashers gotten to you?!

Nah. Though that did come out a bit wrong, didn't it? :D

That's what I'm looking forward to: Aang and Zuko interaction. It'll be interesting to watch to say the least.:)

Something like this, perhaps? (http://sora-ko.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-Teaching-Aang-41351700) ;)

Well, maybe not exactly, but still amusing.

[CDB]

Something like this, perhaps? (http://sora-ko.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-Teaching-Aang-41351700) ;)

Well, maybe not exactly, but still amusing.

Hahahaha. I remember this one...you got that from my faves gallery didn't you. :D

I loved how they animated Ozai's attack "Force Lightning" style. They just love those little Star Wars references, don't they?


I'm glad I'm not the only who caught that little easter egg. :D

[lonewolf23k]

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

[Ghost]

Hahahaha. I remember this one...you got that from my faves gallery didn't you. :D

Nah, I just recalled seeing it and made a DA search. It's pretty popular, so it's one of the first to turn up. :)

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

Okay, this would kick ass.

No, seriously. This is how I want it to end; with everyone as a big happy family. :D

[Len Ikari145]

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

Wow, Zuko and Katara as siblings.

.......You just found the solution to all our problems!:D

[CDB]

Nah, I just recalled seeing it and made a DA search. It's pretty popular, so it's one of the first to turn up. :)


Oh okay.

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

Behold!!

The ultimate answer to end Zutara!!!:evilsmile

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

That is absolutely BRILLIANT!
It kinda torpedoes my dreams of Azokka, though.....

[Ghost]

.......You just solved the solution to all our problems!:D

"Solved the solution"? :p

That is absolutely BRILLIANT!
It kinda torpedoes my dreams of Azokka, though.....

Well, you can't win them all... ;)

[Len Ikari145]

"Solved the solution"? :p

......D'oh! ~.~

I mean, I meant to say that. Yeesss.....


*clobbers Ghost with a pipe and throws his body into a dumpster.

>_>

<_<

[girder]

Here's a disturbing thought I just had.. Sokka and Katara's dad, Hakoda, is currently a widower.

As we've recently discovered, Zuko's mother is still alive, but currently seperated from her husband.

...I wonder if Zutarans would settle for Zuko and Katara becoming in-laws? :evilsmile

Impossible. Zuko is at least three years older than either Sokka or Katara, and his mother only left when he was at least around 9 or 10 years of age, so she couldn't have been Sokka or Katara's mom because she was still in the Fire Nation raising Zuko.

Though the idea does seen like it would result in hilarity if it did come true.

[AllisterH]

Impossible. Zuko is at least three years older than either Sokka or Katara, and his mother only left when he was at least around 9 or 10 years of age, so she couldn't have been Sokka or Katara's mom because she was still in the Fire Nation raising Zuko.

Though the idea does seen like it would result in hilarity if it did come true.

I don't think you get the idea.

We _KNOW_ Ursa isn't Sokka & Katara's mother, but what if Hakoda et al get sprung from their cell by the White Lotus society. One of who happens to be a certain woman.

Feelings develop and then at the last episode we can have Haokda introducing his new wife to his kids.

Can you imagine the Gaang's reaction?

[girder]

I don't think you get the idea.

We _KNOW_ Ursa isn't Sokka & Katara's mother, but what if Hakoda et al get sprung from their cell by the White Lotus society. One of who happens to be a certain woman.

Feelings develop and then at the last episode we can have Haokda introducing his new wife to his kids.

Can you imagine the Gaang's reaction?

Aahh...Well that's another matter entirely.

[Len Ikari145]

I can hear the Zuko/Sokka convos now....

[Ghost]

I can hear the Zuko/Sokka convos now....

Share! Share! oO

[Bakasama]

Something about younger sisters being bossy and pushy I guess. :p

[Ragnorok64]

I've been avoiding the heck out of this thread for fear of spoilers but I couldn't resist sharing this pic from Deviantart.

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/213/4/0/Ty_Lee__s_Swimsuit_by_shibamura_prime.png
http://shibamura-prime.deviantart.com/art/Ty-Lee-s-Swimsuit-61184351

[literally exaggerated]

not only does Ty Lee have a great rack and a fun personality, she's a freaking ultraflexible gymnast. Sokka should definitely dig deep into his reservoir of pimp mojo and tap that.

[Maikofan]

Meh, Mai's sexier.

[Ragnorok64]

Meh, Mai's sexier.

If you like females that are flat as cardboard with matching personalities :p .

[CDB]

not only does Ty Lee have a great rack and a fun personality, she's a freaking ultraflexible gymnast. Sokka should definitely dig deep into his reservoir of pimp mojo and tap that.

Quoted for truth!!! :D

[Len Ikari145]

I've said on the Youtube UK video and I'll say it again: An insomniac Aang is worse than Sokka tripped out on cactus juice.

And three times as hilarious.:D

[superbatman86]

I've said on the Youtube UK video and I'll say it again: An insomniac Aang is worse than Sokka tripped out on cactus juice.

And three times as hilarious.:DSamurai Appa and Momo are awesome.

[AllisterH]

Samurai Appa and Momo are awesome.

I was howling with laughter seeing that...

re: You know what's really scary about Ty Lee's "development". She's only 14....

[Maikofan]

If you like females that are flat as cardboard with matching personalities :p .Her personality > TY Lee's plastic and superficial one.

And she's hotter because she's low matince(sp), and real.

You seem to like chicks with plastic boobs and bipolar bitcy attitudes who are fake instead of real.

[cappa donna]

Her personality > TY Lee's plastic and superficial one.

And she's hotter because she's low matince(sp), and real.

You seem to like chicks with plastic boobs and bipolar bitcy attitudes who are fake instead of real.

Hating on others to give Mai props huh? Who has plastic boobs? And who is bipolar and fake? I like all of Ozai's Angels. I wish they'd kill Gaang, but their shouldn't be infighting amongst Ozai Angel fans. WHAT IS THIS?! It's a ploy by the Gaang fans to create disunity, that's what. You're being played. :rolleyes:

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hating on others to give Mai props huh? Who has plastic boobs? And who is bipolar and fake? I like all of Ozai's Angels. I wish they'd kill Gaang, but their shouldn't be infighting amongst Ozai Angel fans. WHAT IS THIS?! It's a ploy by the Gaang fans to create disunity, that's what. You're being played. :rolleyes:What about the people who are fans of both the O.As and the Gaang? I mean, where do we fit into all of this.

[CDB]

I've said on the Youtube UK video and I'll say it again: An insomniac Aang is worse than Sokka tripped out on cactus juice.

And three times as hilarious.:D

Aang cosplaying as Goku is just priceless!!!:D :D

[lonewolf23k]

Her personality > TY Lee's plastic and superficial one.

And she's hotter because she's low matince(sp), and real.

You seem to like chicks with plastic boobs and bipolar bitcy attitudes who are fake instead of real.

Oh geez, please, stop this. Mai and Ty Lee are both awesome, lovely ladies. Just in different ways.

Ty Lee's got that cute, bubbly thing going for her, but she does have some hidden depth to her (like the whole "I don't want to be a matched set" insecurity).

Meanwhile, Mai's got the cool, deep "Ice princess you just want to warm up" aura going. And she's got depth to her personality as well.

[lonewolf23k]

So, has Episode 312 "The Western Air Temple" aired in the UK yet?

[cappa donna]

What about the people who are fans of both the O.As and the Gaang? I mean, where do we fit into all of this.

They're the rational ones. F*&% um! FANBOY OR DIE!!!!!! :evilsmile

But in all seriousness, I really like Toph so I'm kinda in that group too, but Toph is straight firebender in an earthbenders body. Toph was the person saying the same things to Aang that I would say, so I gotta respect that. The rest are just enablers, especially that coddler, Katara. I honestly don't see how anyone could like any of the Angels without respecting Azula. SHE'S THEIR LEADER. She put the whole thing together.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Katara´s more than just an "enabler", she´s a very rich, deep and strong character.
Not every character has to be evil, cold or badass to be interesting.

[cappa donna]

Katara´s more than just an "enabler", she´s a very rich, deep and strong character.
Not every character has to be evil, cold or badass to be interesting.

Just look at when Katara uses that soft touch of her's. It's always when Aang's pouting and being a baby. That's when he needs a kick in the pants or to be shoved off a cliff, but Katara has to treat him like a baby because she realizes how much of a baby he is. Even in Book 3 it's like that. Something as simple as covering up his arrow and he starts to act like 2 year old who just got his bottle taken away. Sokka says "be pratical", which is something babies are incapable of. So Katara tells everyone to leave because it's babytalk time. And that's exactly what she does, talk to him like a baby. Katara = CODDLER!

[Maikofan]

Why do people say Katara's a mary sue?

[Gladiaria_Alata]

I was howling with laughter seeing that...

re: You know what's really scary about Ty Lee's "development". She's only 14....

Me too, man, me too. :D

Aang cosplaying as Goku is just priceless!!!:D :D

Who was Aang cosplaying as with the high-collared jacket and chains?

[cappa donna]

Why do people say Katara's a mary sue?

I don't know what that is, but I think people like her because of their obsession with Kataang. Outside of the potential romance between her and aang she's brought the least to the show, even less than Aang. She's useless accept as Aang's hopeful love interest. It's really quite sad. Thank God I despised Aang after Book 1, so I never cared about Kataang or any of that nonsense, but if I was on the boards where that stuff was paramount, I would prolly like these characters for all the wrong reasons too.

[Nega Knight]

I don't know what that is, but I think people like her because of their obsession with Kataang. Outside of the potential romance between her and aang she's brought the least to the show, even less than Aang. She's useless accept as Aang's hopeful love interest. It's really quite sad. Thank God I despised Aang after Book 1, so I never cared about Kataang or any of that nonsense, but if I was on the boards where that stuff was paramount, I would prolly like these characters for all the wrong reasons too.

She's "useless"? You realize she was about to peel Azula like a banana if Zuko hadn't saved her ass at the end of season two, right? And that Aang would be freaking dead if not for her? And after her training with Hama she's become the biggest combat monster in the group.

[Dark Soul # 7]

They're the rational ones. F*&% um! FANBOY OR DIE!!!!!! :evilsmileDamn, the rational people never get heard. Mostly because the irrational people yell out nonsense all the time.
But in all seriousness, I really like Toph so I'm kinda in that group too, but Toph is straight firebender in an earthbenders body. Toph was the person saying the same things to Aang that I would say, so I gotta respect that. The rest are just enablers, especially that coddler, Katara. I honestly don't see how anyone could like any of the Angels without respecting Azula. SHE'S THEIR LEADER. She put the whole thing together.I like all the character except one in each group.

In the Gaang I like Aang, Sokka, Toph, Appa and Momo. They're all awesome.
Katara on the other hand does nothing for me. I don't dislike her or anything. I nothing her.

With Ozai's Angels I find Azula to be a brilliant villain whom can be admired for her skill and power. At the same time I can loathe her for being a bitch.
Mai is good for a chuckle. I miss the way she was before she got together with Zuko.
Ty Lee on the other hand just annoys me.

But Zuko and Iroh are the greatest characters on the show.

[literally exaggerated]

Her personality > TY Lee's plastic and superficial one.

And she's hotter because she's low matince(sp), and real.

You seem to like chicks with plastic boobs and bipolar bitcy attitudes who are fake instead of real.

plastic doesn't exist in the Narutoverse, you know that right? Ty Lee is all natural.

nor is she high maintenance. In fact, unlike Mai who is a sheltered noblewoman and constantly demanding amusement to satisfy her "boredom" (clearly a function of projecting internal disatisfaction and unhappiness onto the world around her), Ty Lee intentionally rejected a sheltered life to join the circus, and committed to trying to be as upbeat and happy as possible. Whats not to love about that?

If you mean she uses boys and is a flirt, well, thats completely true. Mai does seem a tad more suited to monogamy. But who cares? Ty Lee isn't cheating on anyone or lying, she's perfectly straightforward about her behavior, and the boys around her make their own decisions fully aware that they are being obviously used. While its true that men are often stupid, especially when it comes to attractive women, women are mistaken in believing that we aren't aware of our stupidity. We are, its just for the right girl, our brain and all its awareness get hijacked by a slightly lower region. I don't see anything wrong with how Ty Lee behaves, and while I'd like to think that I'd be smarter than to get used like that, I know that if I were 14 again and animated, I'd probably be one of those buffoons standing in the way of the sun for her just because she's got a great chest and a cute smile. And for all that you call Ty Lee "fake" (for, essentially, hiding her issues behind a smile and a positive attitude instead of wallowing in them), she seems to be the least malicious of the Angels. Azula is a pyscho, and Mai gave up her baby brother to a guerilla army without the slightest bit of remorse. Compared to either of those Ty Lee's primary sin (apart from simply fighting for the wrong side, something the entire gang is guilty of) namely laughing along when Azula pushed Mai and Zuko down, seems ridiculously minor.

I just hate the stereotype that anyone pretty and popular is automatically a superficial, stupid, fake, snobby and all those other jock and cheerleader stereotypes, while anyone dour and asocial is automatically deep and intelligent and good. As someone who is often dour and asocial (and was president of both the robotics club and the lit mag in high school), I feel confident saying it simply isn't true. The primary differentiator in popularity at that age (and really, at any age) is confidence, and to a lesser extent things like looks and athletic ability (but really to a lesser extent. confidence is always the biggest thing). Some people who are confident and pretty and athletic and therefor popular are mean or stupid or superficial, and some are not. Just like some of those loners are really brilliant or sensitive or interesting, and some are not. Ty Lee is easily the nicest person in general on the Fire Nation side (not including Iroh, obviously, and Zuko's so all over the place he's tough to gauge, though I imagine he'll improve a lot in this area). When she sees a cute boy, she goes up and talks to him, when she sees a friend is down she cheers her up, and in general she greets the day smiling, confident, and in a mood to meet new people. These traits don't make her a bad person, and calling her boobs fake in a setting where that is literally impossible just smacks of sour grapes.

[cappa donna]

She's "useless"? You realize she was about to peel Azula like a banana if Zuko hadn't saved her ass at the end of season two, right? And that Aang would be freaking dead if not for her? And after her training with Hama she's become the biggest combat monster in the group.

LMAO! You have no clue what was going to happen to Azula there, so please don't give me your baseless theories. Katara never showed any precision in the control her water whips or tentacles beyond what she did there by simply grabbing hold of Azula, so to say she was going to do anything else has NOTHING to support it but your hopes and dreams. AFAIK, all she was going to do was try and keep Azula of balence, preventing her from launching attacks. That's all I could get out of the, what 2 SECONDS she had a hold on her.

She lifted Azula about a foot off the ground, yet I've seen everything from "She was going to slam her hard into the ground" or "launch her high into air" and all this nonsense that has no basis in what we've seen not just in that scene, but throughout the show. If Katara used those water as extensions of her arms then I could understand the extrpolations, but she hasn't so I don't. It's all just wishful thinking that means nothing since Katara/Aang ended up losing the fight. I'd take this stuff seriously if someone said she would freeze the tentacles, because that has legitimate basis in the source material. Without that, all you've got is the fanfiction you're writing in your head.

[literally exaggerated]

Also, I believe all the character serve their function admirably within the show.

Aang is the protagonist undergoing the hero's journey. He's Frodo or Luke or Naruto. That means he needs to be naive, at least initially. It means that while he has personal strength and kindness and empathy, he can't start out too wise, or too powerful or too matured, because the entire point of the story is him becoming those things. Now, often this can translate to an irritating character who just seems stupid or weirdly immature, and the writers have neatly sidestepped that by making Aang not only extremely young, but also 100 years removed from his rightful time period. It doesn't just make sense that he is the way he is, it would be downright unbelievable if he wasn't. A 12 year old kid essentially transported from a pacifist utopia to a world being torn apart by war, who is good-natured, kind, brave while also being rash, playful and occasionally immature makes sense as the sort of character likely to become a hero in a way that, say, a 22 year old character who shares those traits would not. To me, Aang seems unusually mature considering his age and circumstance.

Katara is the love interest, the feminine ideal. Characters like her are nearly always extremely pretty and kind, but also "spunky" in a way that can get extremely annoying. But I feel they do a great job in Katara's case, because the other characters acknowledge how it can sometimes be annoying and cloying while also being essential, and because they really have done a great job of making sure Katara can hold her own in a fight. I groaned when they introduced "water healing" because the healer role is nearly always the one the love interest gets placed into in a story like this, but while Katara's healing is useful, I'd say she's actually most useful to the group in general as a genuinely dangerous fighter. With the introduction of blood bending, she now also has easily the most dangerous technique of any bender, albeit one that is can only be used under special circumstances.

Just as Sokka is the comic relief/underdog/ordinary guy, but also allowed to be the brains of the group, and just as Azula is the villain, but also gets to win much more than most villains, the writers have come up with excellent ways to take classic archetypes and put twists on them that make the characters much more interesting and engaging.

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Also, I believe all the character serve their function admirably within the show.

Aang is the protagonist undergoing the hero's journey. He's Frodo or Luke or Naruto. That means he needs to be naive, at least initially. It means that while he has personal strength and kindness and empathy, he can't start out too wise, or too powerful or too matured, because the entire point of the story is him becoming those things. Now, often this can translate to an irritating character who just seems stupid or weirdly immature, and the writers have neatly sidestepped that by making Aang not only extremely young, but also 100 years removed from his rightful time period. It doesn't just make sense that he is the way he is, it would be downright unbelievable if he wasn't. A 12 year old kid essentially transported from a pacifist utopia to a world being torn apart by war, who is good-natured, kind, brave while also being rash, playful and occasionally immature makes sense as the sort of character likely to become a hero in a way that, say, a 22 year old character who shares those traits would not. To me, Aang seems unusually mature considering his age and circumstance.

Katara is the love interest, the feminine ideal. Characters like her are nearly always extremely pretty and kind, but also "spunky" in a way that can get extremely annoying. But I feel they do a great job in Katara's case, because the other characters acknowledge how it can sometimes be annoying and cloying while also being essential, and because they really have done a great job of making sure Katara can hold her own in a fight. I groaned when they introduced "water healing" because the healer role is nearly always the one the love interest gets placed into in a story like this, but while Katara's healing is useful, I'd say she's actually most useful to the group in general as a genuinely dangerous fighter. With the introduction of blood bending, she now also has easily the most dangerous technique of any bender, albeit one that is can only be used under special circumstances.

Just as Sokka is the comic relief/underdog/ordinary guy, but also allowed to be the brains of the group, and just as Azula is the villain, but also gets to win much more than most villains, the writers have come up with excellent ways to take classic archetypes and put twists on them that make the characters much more interesting and engaging.


Well said. You do a good job of trying to be fair to everyone.

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Also, I'm seconding the Zuko and Iroh love.


Zuko, because I think the angsty, brooding, rival/antihero badass character is so done to death at this point, both in fiction in general and in anime in particular, that the fact that Zuko seems as genuine and real and as interesting and unpredictable as he does is downright shocking. Zuko's flaws aren't superficial or petty or gary stueish, nor do they slant so far towards evil that him being allowed to join the good side will seem wrong. He is, in a way, the easiest to relate to of any of the characters because he is so confused and so angry and so foolish. But at the same time it hurts to watch him, because his mistakes often ring true to our own. Great, great character.

Iroh, because he steps beyond the mentor role to have real strength and independence of his own. His story is not just limited to his protege's in the way that Dumbledore's is to Harry's or old Obi-Wan/Yoda's were to Luke's. He also seems genuinely enlightened, which is damn tough to write, while also extremely human and easy to sympathize, which is even harder to write. And he does stuff we don't often think of old people doing. kicking ass not with just magic and skill, but muscle. hitting on women, not in a creepy old man type way, and consistently having them return the interest.

great on their own, and even better together. I hope fate reunites them.

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She's "useless"? You realize she was about to peel Azula like a banana if Zuko hadn't saved her ass at the end of season two, right? And that Aang would be freaking dead if not for her? And after her training with Hama she's become the biggest combat monster in the group.

Please, don't even bother trying to contradict him with logic and actual events. It's like trying to talk an adamantium reinforced door into breaking itself down.