Wolverine and the (real) X-men #3 Schooled

[Songbird/Diamondback]

huh? She seems the same to me. What is it that you find "changed" about her? :O

From the super religious and very self doubting girl to the girl who shouts "He's Kid Galactus!" with a smile like she's a 8 year old seeing Mickey Mouse, it doesn't seem like the same character.
It seems like the moment she got put into the JGI, she's suddenly flipped behaviors. Where she was cynical and doubtful, now she's suddenly running around like a super happy kid...it's jarring and I really don't like it.
And because it's Aaron and a top selling book, she's going to stay like this. I don't like this new direction for her character.

[teddyeatsyourface]

I never saw self doubt in Idie. There is self loathing, sure. Never doubt. Don't really see the Happy go lucky either, i think Idie is trying to adjust to her new environment.We're going to see her ups and downs. Her cracking a smile every now and then shouldn't be a problem. She's still just a kid on the inside.

Aaron is no fool, I believe he's going to continue working on Idie as a character. Her self-loathing, her "acceptance" of being a "monster", the fact that she's now a killer. All of these things aren't just going to vanish overnight.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I never saw self doubt in Idie. There is self loathing, sure. Never doubt. Don't really see the Happy go lucky either, i think Idie is trying to adjust to her new environment.We're going to see her ups and downs. Her cracking a smile every now and then shouldn't be a problem. She's still just a kid on the inside.

Aaron is no fool, I believe he's going to continue working on Idie as a character. Her self-loathing, her "acceptance" of being a "monster", the fact that she's now a killer. All of these things aren't just going to vanish overnight.

Well, she kinda admitted "I thought I caused the Schism" pretty gleefully.

As much as I enjoyed issues 1 and 3, I can't help but feel focusing on Idie, Broo, Kid Gladiator and Omega as your student body is kinda a missed opportunity when you got many of the New X-men.
I mean, why do we need Kid Gladiator when Rockslide is pretty much the same thing?

[Relique]

From the super religious and very self doubting girl to the girl who shouts "He's Kid Galactus!" with a smile like she's a 8 year old seeing Mickey Mouse, it doesn't seem like the same character.
It seems like the moment she got put into the JGI, she's suddenly flipped behaviors. Where she was cynical and doubtful, now she's suddenly running around like a super happy kid...it's jarring and I really don't like it.
And because it's Aaron and a top selling book, she's going to stay like this. I don't like this new direction for her character.

I actually think it could be justified due to various psychological reasons.

Living on a barren island (that you are not allowed to leave) vs living in suburbia.

Being psychically tethered to a militant that lived in a post apocalyptic future who treats you like a soldier vs being allowed to go to school and play because your mentor wants you to experience life.

The religious change could be a result of her "leaving the cult of Hope" and her realizing that she can be redeemed even if she was a monster now that she abandoned her false messiah*.


* The false messiah made her sin = Instant absolution!

[SayOcean]

I actually think it could be justified due to various psychological reasons.

Living on a barren island (that you are not allowed to leave) vs living in suburbia.

Being psychically tethered to a militant that lived in a post apocalyptic future who treats you like a soldier vs being allowed to go to school and play because your mentor wants you to experience life.

The religious change could be a result of her "leaving the cult of Hope" and her realizing that she can be redeemed even if she was a monster now that she abandoned her false messiah*.


* The false messiah made her sin = Instant absolution!lol going to a mutant school where there's ice buildings, monsters attacking you, and the ground trying to kill you is suburbia?

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I actually think it could be justified due to various psychological reasons.

Living on a barren island (that you are not allowed to leave) vs living in suburbia.

Being psychically tethered to a militant that lived in a post apocalyptic future who treats you like a soldier vs being allowed to go to school and play because your mentor wants you to experience life.

The religious change could be a result of her "leaving the cult of Hope" and her realizing that she can be redeemed even if she was a monster now that she abandoned her false messiah*.


* The false messiah made her sin = Instant absolution!

I guess.
But again, if Idie ends up being the only Generation Hope kid to remain relevant after next year's event, I'm going to be very bummed out.
I like fishgirl. :frown:

[Relique]

lol going to a mutant school where there's ice buildings, monsters attacking you, and the ground trying to kill you is suburbia?

It is when you sneak off campus, walk across the stree, then go hang out in the surrounding neighborhood.

[SayOcean]

It is when you sneak off campus, walk across the stree, then go hang out in the surrounding neighborhood.lol You know the only black people they allow in Westchesters is Mutants, since they kicked stevie hunter out.

[Relique]

I guess.
But again, if Idie ends up being the only Generation Hope kid to remain relevant after next year's event, I'm going to be very bummed out.
I like fishgirl. :frown:

The only lights that i really wouldn't care if they die are Teon and Gabriel. However Gabriel is guaranteed not to die for a while since he's Latino.

Transonic would be interesting in a support role / foil to some adventurer (hopefully Hope if she survives and becomes Cable II).

Kenji needs to lead a group of nihilistic terrorists.

[motherofpearl1]

From the super religious and very self doubting girl to the girl who shouts "He's Kid Galactus!" with a smile like she's a 8 year old seeing Mickey Mouse, it doesn't seem like the same character.
It seems like the moment she got put into the JGI, she's suddenly flipped behaviors. Where she was cynical and doubtful, now she's suddenly running around like a super happy kid...it's jarring and I really don't like it.
And because it's Aaron and a top selling book, she's going to stay like this. I don't like this new direction for her character.

I think it's because Aaron wants WATXM to be a lighthearted book that kids as well as adults enjoy, which is why another poster said his kids loved it as well as he did. I've noticed a big change in Hellion as well - he's gone from a mentally and physically damaged young man into a jokey teen 'jock'.
it's part of the aim to appeal to younger readers, which is why a fortysomething 'dinosaur' like me doesn't like it much.

I do wonder, however, how they're going to explain Kitty's alien pregnancy without offending parents though.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

The only lights that i really wouldn't care if they die are Teon and Gabriel. However Gabriel is guaranteed not to die for a while since he's Latino.

Transonic would be interesting in a support role / foil to some adventurer (hopefully Hope if she survives and becomes Cable II).

Kenji needs to lead a group of nihilistic terrorists.

Gabtiel is actually a sure thing to die now that his powers are killing him. He's getting older faster.

And Kenji is most likely going to become a continual X-Men villain.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I think it's because Aaron wants WATXM to be a lighthearted book that kids as well as adults enjoy, which is why another poster said his kids loved it as well as he did. I've noticed a big change in Hellion as well - he's gone from a mentally and physically damaged young man into a jokey teen 'jock'.
it's part of the aim to appeal to younger readers, which is why a fortysomething 'dinosaur' like me doesn't like it much.

I do wonder, however, how they're going to explain Kitty's alien pregnancy without offending parents though.

Did it offend people in Aliens?

[DeadXMan]

Did it offend people in Aliens?

In Alien vs predator: Requiem it did, but only in the shear stupidity of it.

[Gene M.]

This is the X-Men book I've been waiting for since Morrison's run ended. The cast is already shaping up to be a classic. Old characters are being put in new situations. New characters are getting a chance to stand out. Half the cast being named "Kid Something." Bachalo. Bradshaw. Love it.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

This book is fun, I wouldn't change it for the world.


I do think his Beast's Dialogue needs to change a tad bit, he sounds zany and like a weird scientist.

[DeadXMan]

This book is fun, I wouldn't change it for the world.


I do think his Beast's Dialogue needs to change a tad bit, he sounds zany and like a weird scientist.

that how he use to sound until he went all angsty in Morrison's run.

And has anyone else noticed execite for the face He back into his second form?

[IN-A-SYNCH]

that how he use to sound until he went all angsty in Morrison's run.

And has anyone else noticed execite for the face He back into his second form?


When Fabian N and Scott Lobdell was writing him, he sounded more reserved, he qouted authors and passages from books, Called Scott Fearless Leader and all, cracked jokes.

When is the Last time he has said "oh my stars and garters"?

It just sounds off

One of my favorite issues is Uncanny X-men 318. Beast was key for Skin joining the Mass. Academy.

[doodude]

I do wonder, however, how they're going to explain Kitty's alien pregnancy without offending parents though.

She phased a baby. No problem.

[fod_xp]

I have no worries about Aaron writing Henry, his zany, mad scientist persona is a delightful treat. He hasn't been this much fun to read since Gillen's and Elllis' respective versions of Henry. Can't wait to see what crazy things Henry does...with SCIENCE!!!

[Songbird/Diamondback]

In Alien vs predator: Requiem it did, but only in the shear stupidity of it.

Doing that to pregnant women was like bizarre fetish territory.

[Relique]

Gabtiel is actually a sure thing to die now that his powers are killing him. He's getting older faster.

Trust me, he will age but then get fixed as a result of "The Cosmic Turkey Event" or once Marvel realizes that 30 - 40% of all Americans are Latino. Of course, if a new Latino character is introduced before he bites it then he is a goner.

[wolvie616]

This book is quite literally everything I love about X-Men. I'm just glad I had my dream creative team together for the first 3 issues. It's rare when a fan gets exactly what he wanted from a comicbook, and I got it for three issues in a row.

Here's to Wolverine and the X-Men being the best flagship ever.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Trust me, he will age but then get fixed as a result of "The Cosmic Turkey Event" or once Marvel realizes that 30 - 40% of all Americans are Latino. Of course, if a new Latino character is introduced before he bites it then he is a goner.

They already have Reptil and Spider-Girl.
Not to mention, my friend kept calling Velocidad Reptil, so I guess that shows how much he matters.

[fod_xp]

Doing that to pregnant women was like bizarre fetish territory.

It isn't "like" a bizarre fetish, it IS a disgusting and horribly real sexual fetish. The original Alien 1979 movie was a horror/body horror movie. So that scene was a bit of a throw back to the original. After all the Alien raped Lambert in the original Alien 1979. Then it turned Bret and Dallas into eggs. [deleted scene]

H.R. Giger's, the designer of the Alien xenomorph, art style is body horror sex/death art. Oddly enough I do like his work. It has a sort of disturbing aesthetic I can appreciate.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

It isn't "like" a bizarre fetish, it IS a disgusting and horribly real sexual fetish. The original Alien 1979 movie was a horror/body horror movie. So that scene was a bit of a throw back to the original. After all the Alien raped Lambert in the original Alien 1979. Then it turned Bret and Dallas into eggs. [deleted scene]

H.R. Giger's, the designer of the Alien xenomorph, art style is body horror sex/death art. Oddly enough I do like his work. It has a sort of disturbing aesthetic I can appreciate.

Well I knew that. The aliens were always phallic with their long heads and such.

But the AVP:R pregnant women being pumped full of eggs was like new fetish levels.

[Relique]

They already have Reptil and Spider-Girl.
Not to mention, my friend kept calling Velocidad Reptil, so I guess that shows how much he matters.

Yeah, but they are magically empowered so they don't count.

[fod_xp]

Well I knew that. The aliens were always phallic with their long heads and such.

But the AVP:R pregnant women being pumped full of eggs was like new fetish levels.

Agreed, I didn't care for that movie, but I especially didn't care for that scene either. To be fully honest, I really disliked that scene, it just seemed really tacky.

[worstblogever]

Matt Murdock getting a cameo to litigate against the Hellfire Brats was a welcome sight. The cherry-on-top to those silly bastards getting PWNED by Logan's crew.

Loved the hell out of this. Bachalo and Aaron are a powerhouse creative team, sad it's not permanent, but I'll take what I can get of them tag-teaming together.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Yeah, but they are magically empowered so they don't count.

Spider-Girl is magic? :confused:


Agreed, I didn't care for that movie, but I especially didn't care for that scene either. To be fully honest, I really disliked that scene, it just seemed really tacky.

Especially seeing the creepy fanart about the subject online...

[DeadXMan]

Spider-Girl is magic? :confused:



Especially seeing the creepy fanart about the subject online...

at first she was then she lost those. but now a side effect of spider island is that she keep some of Spidey's powers

[fod_xp]

Spider-Girl is magic? :confused:



Especially seeing the creepy fanart about the subject online...

o_O

I try my best not end up at those sites, lest I tear my eyes out like Blind Mag did at the end of Repo the Genetic Opera.

[the Hornet]

Gambit and Rachel have been real X-Men for longer.

Yeah I guess that's the best explanation. Though that can be manipulated due to the sliding time line. Sam has been a student and a hero longer than both and you could say that he might have joined the X-Men from X-force only a year after Remy and he was in X-treme x-men plus in Carey's team and all that can be summed up to a period as long as Remy or Rachel.

Ah well, as long as they (Sam in particular) get regular cast status in Legacy, I am happy.

Thanks.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

I have no worries about Aaron writing Henry, his zany, mad scientist persona is a delightful treat. He hasn't been this much fun to read since Gillen's and Elllis' respective versions of Henry. Can't wait to see what crazy things Henry does...with SCIENCE!!!


Maybe it is just the way he is speaking, when i read it is seems to nerdish, like he is a newbie to what he is doing.

[DeadXMan]

it how he always spoke until Morrison's run. A mile a minute with ten obscure references. He is Zany and fun loving especially around Wonder man and Logan ( see Beast's tenure as an Avenger and Terri wolverine Run)

[Terror and Love]

Man its going to be weird when a writer tries to take the things that appeared in this run and makes them all dour and serious.

[FigLogan]

I'm not sure how to post it here. But after scanning the Wolverine and the X-Men team shot, I got my girlfriend to make wallpaper of it. If anyone wants it, please let me know how to share, and I will. :)
It's now my desktop background and I'm kinda in love with it. We made it high res as best we could.
It's the moment Wolverine tells the Hellfire-Brats to "Stay the hell away from my school"
Anyway, just trying to spread some love.

[fortyseven]

Ooo upload it on here as an attachment!

[fod_xp]

Maybe it is just the way he is speaking, when i read it is seems to nerdish, like he is a newbie to what he is doing.

Eh, I take what I can get. Aaron isn't Morrison, Ellis, or Gillen, but as far as I am concerned, Aaron is entitled to write Henry the way he wants.


it how he always spoke until Morrison's run. A mile a minute with ten obscure references. He is Zany and fun loving especially around Wonder man and Logan ( see Beast's tenure as an Avenger and Terri wolverine Run)

Morrison's Henry reminded me of a particular University Professor I adored and took many classes from, so I loved Morrison's Henry. Ellis and Gillen did the mile by minute with ten obscure references in their respective runs. The zaniness was toned down a bit, but he was great fun to read.

[FigLogan]

Ooo upload it on here as an attachment!

I'm out of touch. Tell me how! lol

[fortyseven]

I'm out of touch. Tell me how! lol

Look at the picture I just uploaded. Press the paperclip button in the screen where you post messages.

[RockyBanks]

I like fun comics, and WatXM has definitely established itself as the fun X-Men title.

Some time ago, I swore to stop buying X-books. Thanks to this title, I am reconsidering this position.

Hell, I might buy this book just to read Broo. :biggrin:

[ARCHER9]

Well, she kinda admitted "I thought I caused the Schism" pretty gleefully.

As much as I enjoyed issues 1 and 3, I can't help but feel focusing on Idie, Broo, Kid Gladiator and Omega as your student body is kinda a missed opportunity when you got many of the New X-men.
I mean, why do we need Kid Gladiator when Rockslide is pretty much the same thing?

Because IMO Kid Gladiator is an awesome new character with a ton of potential. Rockslide and most of the New X-Men suck.

[trajikflp]

As someone who grew up on beaches, lolno.

JGS = Paradise, Utopia = Dead Island

Wolverine bringing the kids back to Westchester is like a battered wife going back to her abusive husband. His logic that they'll be safer in a school environment is flawed. The school's been attacked more than Utopia so that's just silly. And I don't think it should be a surprise that Mondo is back considering Bachalo may have had some input in his creation since he was supposed to have been a bigger part of Generation X but somehow wasn't. I'd choose Utopia over the Westchester school any day.

Do you want to pretend that Atlantis and the Atlanteans aren't living in the support column of Utopia? How's that for back-up? Westchester has the Avengers? Really? Westchester got policed with Sentinels and the Avengers were cool with that. 'kay.

[trajikflp]

Because IMO Kid Gladiator is an awesome new character with a ton of potential. Rockslide and most of the New X-Men suck.

..to the extent that the New X-men were more developed than a retread of Gladiator. Ton of potential? He's an obnoxious prick, like Hellion. He's superpowered, like his dad. He'll be this misunderstood muscle man and fall in love with the more genteel of the new female students, like Colossus. He'll have father issues, like Xavier. He might even have a brother or sister that he'll envy because people will act like he's the greatest, oh, like Cyclops.

In essence, Kid Gladiator will be just like any of the 4 or 5 characters I listed above. Not so cool. Kinda' boring...

[ARCHER9]

..to the extent that the New X-men were more developed than a retread of Gladiator. Ton of potential? He's an obnoxious prick, like Hellion. He's superpowered, like his dad. He'll be this misunderstood muscle man and fall in love with the more genteel of the new female students, like Colossus. He'll have father issues, like Xavier. He might even have a brother or sister that he'll envy because people will act like he's the greatest, oh, like Cyclops.

In essence, Kid Gladiator will be just like any of the 4 or 5 characters I listed above. Not so cool. Kinda' boring...

All that may be true and he'd still be more interesting to me than the New X-Men. I used to love those characters and they were ruined for me over the years. The only ones I care about anymore are X-23 and Dust.

So I'll take "boring" Kid Gladiator over the garbage New X-Men anyday. :biggrin:

[Deus ex Chris]

..to the extent that the New X-men were more developed than a retread of Gladiator. Ton of potential? He's an obnoxious prick, like Hellion. He's superpowered, like his dad. He'll be this misunderstood muscle man and fall in love with the more genteel of the new female students, like Colossus. He'll have father issues, like Xavier. He might even have a brother or sister that he'll envy because people will act like he's the greatest, oh, like Cyclops.

In essence, Kid Gladiator will be just like any of the 4 or 5 characters I listed above. Not so cool. Kinda' boring...
Well, he's not boring yet, and that's what matters.

[Relique]

Wolverine bringing the kids back to Westchester is like a battered wife going back to her abusive husband. His logic that they'll be safer in a school environment is flawed. The school's been attacked more than Utopia so that's just silly. And I don't think it should be a surprise that Mondo is back considering Bachalo may have had some input in his creation since he was supposed to have been a bigger part of Generation X but somehow wasn't. I'd choose Utopia over the Westchester school any day.

Do you want to pretend that Atlantis and the Atlanteans aren't living in the support column of Utopia? How's that for back-up? Westchester has the Avengers? Really? Westchester got policed with Sentinels and the Avengers were cool with that. 'kay.

No, the school is safer because Wolverine is not getting into a pissing contest against the entire world. All it would take if for one stray comment or one incursion from eXtinTeam for a country to declared war on Utopia. Secon d Coming proved how vulnerable Utopia is against and attack against someone with a brain and technological ability, they only survived by cause Bastion was a complete idiot and didn't build the other side of that "time portal" outside of the earth's atmosphere an in the path of a,massive solar flare or even thought about contracting the dome so it crushed everyone within it.

Sure, Westchester is not immune from attack, but the people who live there did not renounce their US citizenship as part of a global pissing match. Therefore they have constitutional rights and since the SHRA was repelled, no sentinels will policewestchester as a result of the X-Men not wanting to register as part of the h the Avenger Initiative.

Also, if Ron Paul becomes president you could bet your ass he will try to get Sentinels outlawed since technology and laws that targets individuals based on race (genetic makeup)/ sex / creed is unconstitutional.

[Blue_Collar_Nerd]

Also, if Ron Paul becomes president you could bet your ass he will try to get Sentinels outlawed since technology and laws that targets individuals based on race (genetic makeup)/ sex / creed is unconstitutional.

He'd be against discriminatory laws and registries, sure, but the technology itself? I don't know. What if I want to buy a used sentinel, someday? Do I need a tax stamp for a killer robot that shoots energy beams? Do I write "For all lawful uses" on my Form 1 when I submit it to the ATF?

[anyajenkins]

Wolverine bringing the kids back to Westchester is like a battered wife going back to her abusive husband. His logic that they'll be safer in a school environment is flawed. The school's been attacked more than Utopia so that's just silly. And I don't think it should be a surprise that Mondo is back considering Bachalo may have had some input in his creation since he was supposed to have been a bigger part of Generation X but somehow wasn't. I'd choose Utopia over the Westchester school any day.

Do you want to pretend that Atlantis and the Atlanteans aren't living in the support column of Utopia? How's that for back-up? Westchester has the Avengers? Really? Westchester got policed with Sentinels and the Avengers were cool with that. 'kay.
Utopia's constantly getting attacked, how is that 'safer' than the school. And utopia's doesn't have any toliet paper. It's obvious where most people would want to be. :P

[AcesX1X]

Utopia's constantly getting attacked, how is that 'safer' than the school. And utopia's doesn't have any toliet paper. It's obvious where most people would want to be. :P

jgg school was attacked on the first day. quentin is the only person on that property with any sense.

[Relique]

jgg school was attacked on the first day.

As did Utopia. :wink:

Hell utopia then got attacked a week later... a week after that... a week after with fatalities, then guess what, a week after that with even more fatalities!

You notice a pattern? Yes... no place is safe for mutants.

[AcesX1X]

As did Utopia. :wink:

did it? i don't recall.

[Relique]

Utopia was established.... then the Dark Avengers attacked.

After that attack, a week passed then Lobe sent his predators.

A week after that Bishop attacked.

A week after that Necrosha Happened.

A week after Necrosha Second comming happened.

A one to two week after Second coming the Reavers attacked.... a week after the reavers came, a robocrab attacked. The next day Kr'uun came then kicked everyone's ass until Kitty and Colossus kicked his but. You get the point.

[AcesX1X]

well, now sabretooth is going to eat some mutie kid and eventually jgg school will be tit-for-tat.

[Phoenix Egg]

Neither Utopia nor the Jean Grey is totally safe...

mostly because these are superhero action comics.

Blueys should stop trying to make the safety point. It's not as if Utopia is an off-world base.

[Jackraow21]

I'm not sure how to post it here. But after scanning the Wolverine and the X-Men team shot, I got my girlfriend to make wallpaper of it. If anyone wants it, please let me know how to share, and I will. :)
It's now my desktop background and I'm kinda in love with it. We made it high res as best we could.
It's the moment Wolverine tells the Hellfire-Brats to "Stay the hell away from my school"
Anyway, just trying to spread some love.

I'd be interested in seeing it. Loved that spread. Might make it my desktop background on my home computer as well.

[Ebon Phantom]

No, the school is safer because Wolverine is not getting into a pissing contest against the entire world. All it would take if for one stray comment or one incursion from eXtinTeam for a country to declared war on Utopia. Secon d Coming proved how vulnerable Utopia is against and attack against someone with a brain and technological ability, they only survived by cause Bastion was a complete idiot and didn't build the other side of that "time portal" outside of the earth's atmosphere an in the path of a,massive solar flare or even thought about contracting the dome so it crushed everyone within it.

Sure, Westchester is not immune from attack, but the people who live there did not renounce their US citizenship as part of a global pissing match. Therefore they have constitutional rights and since the SHRA was repelled, no sentinels will policewestchester as a result of the X-Men not wanting to register as part of the h the Avenger Initiative.

Also, if Ron Paul becomes president you could bet your ass he will try to get Sentinels outlawed since technology and laws that targets individuals based on race (genetic makeup)/ sex / creed is unconstitutional. When has anyone ever needed an actual reason to attack mutants or even the school? The school's a target simply because it holds mutants, just like always. The only difference this time is there's a group of mutants on the other coast making a big show of things and such. Hopefully that will pull all the focus away from the school.

[beserkerclaw]

Matt Murdock getting a cameo to litigate against the Hellfire Brats was a welcome sight. The cherry-on-top to those silly bastards getting PWNED by Logan's crew.

Loved the hell out of this. Bachalo and Aaron are a powerhouse creative team, sad it's not permanent, but I'll take what I can get of them tag-teaming together. WBE what are you talking about who said its not permenent Bachalo is probably taking a break so the Bradshaw can do his arc and Bachalo will Rotate back in. in interviews they established that bachalo and Bradshaw are the rotation artists on the book for the long term. Chris will probably draw the tie ins to AVX which should be in the april previews since i believe that the brood story is over with #7:cool:

[Jackraow21]

Bachalo is back with issue #8. Jason Aaron said so on Twitter.

Bradshaw is doing issues 4-7, then Bach is back. :cool:

[steve2275]

Ssssshhh... Don't tell Scott that Wolverine has all the powerhouses in training. :D

If you think about it, its nice how both the main student team and the adult team in this book seems to fit the 5-man band trope. (Yes I posted this before today).

Genesis -- The Hero
Oya -- The Chick
Kid Omega -- The Lancer
Broo -- The smart guy
Kid Gladiator -- The big guy

Wolverine -- The Hero
Beast -- Smart Guy
Rachel --The big guy (Cute Bruiser variant)
Kitty -- The chick
Iceman -- The Lancer

Support Characters
Warbird -- ??
Angel -- The Medic (assuming he takes an active role starting next issue)
i rather like it

[Greg Anderson]

Bachalo is back with issue #8. Jason Aaron said so on Twitter.

Bradshaw is doing issues 4-7, then Bach is back. :cool:

That's far too long a wait. :frown:

[trajikflp]

Comics rotated artists in the mid '80s too, specifically Silvestri and Lee on Uncanny.

Silvestri and Lee did not tag team each other for an issue or two. They had runs that lasted more than 4 issues. Silvestri did a significant number of issues before Marvel would get a fill-in issue with a stand-alone story and then Silvestri would be back on for another set of issues.

I'm not going to bother going through my back issues and count how many issues Silvestri or Lee did before a fill-in artist came on and did an issue or two. I'm sure, however, there's someone out there who can easily do that. Have fun with that because I'd welcome someone to correct me without the grade school insults and superior attitude.

[trajikflp]

In the recent issues when the countries were activating their Sentinels, Wolverine demanded that Cyclops hand over Quentin Quire to Captain America. Wolverine made a big stink about Cyclops insisting that the mutant community deal with Quire. Now, how is it all the Cyclops haters kept their collective mouths shut and blocked any memory of this as they read the first few pages of this issue where Wolverine basically does the exact same thing, but the only difference is that he tells Captain America?

Based on those first few pages, there's reasonable doubt that Cyclops is the complete buffoon all of you make him out to be if Wolverine pretty much does the same thing. Wolverine. Best at what he does - takes other people's ideas and passes them off as his own. That's not brilliance. That's stupidity.

Cyclops 1. Wolverine 0.

[trajikflp]

Utopia was established.... then the Dark Avengers attacked.

After that attack, a week passed then Lobe sent his predators.

A week after that Bishop attacked.

A week after that Necrosha Happened.

A week after Necrosha Second comming happened.

A one to two week after Second coming the Reavers attacked.... a week after the reavers came, a robocrab attacked. The next day Kr'uun came then kicked everyone's ass until Kitty and Colossus kicked his but. You get the point.

Do you remember the school being attacked? Something with the Human League? Black Tom Cassidy? Reverend Stryker? Do you remember the Scarlet Witch and her "no more mutants" bit? Yeah, that one. How is Utopia responsible for Necrosha?

You've simplistically recalled the past 4 years worth of storylines to fit your reasoning. Your Cliff Notes versions of those storylines are inadequate and problematic.

[JaggedFel]

In the recent issues when the countries were activating their Sentinels, Wolverine demanded that Cyclops hand over Quentin Quire to Captain America. Wolverine made a big stink about Cyclops insisting that the mutant community deal with Quire. Now, how is it all the Cyclops haters kept their collective mouths shut and blocked any memory of this as they read the first few pages of this issue where Wolverine basically does the exact same thing, but the only difference is that he tells Captain America?

Based on those first few pages, there's reasonable doubt that Cyclops is the complete buffoon all of you make him out to be if Wolverine pretty much does the same thing. Wolverine. Best at what he does - takes other people's ideas and passes them off as his own. That's not brilliance. That's stupidity.

Cyclops 1. Wolverine 0.

IMO, Talking to Captain America and negotiating a deal is a pretty big difference. As of now, Scott acts like he is above all laws be they international or US. He would be much smarter to not needlessly antagonize people when he can make a deal like Wolverine did.

[bladeofdarkness]

as much as i dislike the concept of giving wolverine praise, i have to actually give him this much.
letting QQ stay on Utopia would have led to a full scale conflict between humans and mutants.

it might get glossed over, but what QQ did in schism is more then enough of a reason for full on WAR, and while the X-men did manage to put down some of the flames with the whole sentinal put down biz, the truth is that once it became known QQ was on Utopia, people would have demanded his extradition.

scott would NOT have done that, and didn't have the strings to negotiate an agreement with Captain america (director of shield) about it.

Wolverine taking QQ from Utopia prevented a conflict that would have been unavoidable, and whatever he does with QQ after that (free him or fry him), at least THAT part was for the greater good.

a nation refusing to extradite a wanted international criminal is not the same as a school refusing to turn over a juvenile delinquent and the later carries with it much lesser chance of full scale war.

[trajikflp]

No, the school is safer because Wolverine is not getting into a pissing contest against the entire world. All it would take if for one stray comment or one incursion from eXtinTeam for a country to declared war on Utopia. Secon d Coming proved how vulnerable Utopia is against and attack against someone with a brain and technological ability, they only survived by cause Bastion was a complete idiot and didn't build the other side of that "time portal" outside of the earth's atmosphere an in the path of a,massive solar flare or even thought about contracting the dome so it crushed everyone within it.

Sure, Westchester is not immune from attack, but the people who live there did not renounce their US citizenship as part of a global pissing match. Therefore they have constitutional rights and since the SHRA was repelled, no sentinels will policewestchester as a result of the X-Men not wanting to register as part of the h the Avenger Initiative.

Also, if Ron Paul becomes president you could bet your ass he will try to get Sentinels outlawed since technology and laws that targets individuals based on race (genetic makeup)/ sex / creed is unconstitutional.

Wolverine spent the better half of his sorry life in pissing contests with every other superhero team that got in his and the X-men's way. How'd Ron Paul factor in your summation about how the Westchester school is better than Utopia? Let's put your political beliefs back in check because that's just another can of worms you don't want to be opening up. Second Coming did not prove how vulnerable Utopia was. Collectively, they were able to beat Bastion, and with the "kids" helping too. Wolverine showed no real interest that any of the other "kids" were in danger, except for his clone and maybe the "healing guy". Five bucks says Wolverine probably doesn't even know Elixir's real name.

The writers want to stack up the school with the terrain of Krakoa and all the space age gadgets Bachalo can squeeze into one shot. No problem. But let's not kid ourselves and pretend that this incarnation of the school won't get blown up. That it won't be targeted by any anti-mutant super team. That no one in the school will die. That Wolverine is omnipotent. That the school's staff doesn't have it's fair share of neuroses. If you do, then I'm sorry to have burst your bubble. Really, I am. We should all be so lucky to live in a world where every good kid gets a pony and money grows on trees.

[trajikflp]

as much as i dislike the concept of giving wolverine praise, i have to actually give him this much.
letting QQ stay on Utopia would have led to a full scale conflict between humans and mutants.

it might get glossed over, but what QQ did in schism is more then enough of a reason for full on WAR, and while the X-men did manage to put down some of the flames with the whole sentinal put down biz, the truth is that once it became known QQ was on Utopia, people would have demanded his extradition.

scott would NOT have done that, and didn't have the strings to negotiate an agreement with Captain america (director of shield) about it.

Wolverine taking QQ from Utopia prevented a conflict that would have been unavoidable, and whatever he does with QQ after that (free him or fry him), at least THAT part was for the greater good.

a nation refusing to extradite a wanted international criminal is not the same as a school refusing to turn over a juvenile delinquent and the later carries with it much lesser chance of full scale war.

Cyclops was the one who insisted that the mutant community deal with Quintin Quire on their own. Besides telling Captain America, how is that any different than what Wolverine just did in this issue? In either scenario, Captain America and the Avengers would have came down on either Utopia or the school if Quintin Quire effed up royally. It wouldn't have mattered if it were Cyclops or Wolverine. It would have went down badly for whichever of them had Quintin Quire and failed to keep him in check.

[jarrod]

But let's not kid ourselves and pretend that this incarnation of the school won't get blown up. That it won't be targeted by any anti-mutant super team. That no one in the school will die. That Wolverine is omnipotent. That the school's staff doesn't have it's fair share of neuroses. If you do, then I'm sorry to have burst your bubble. Really, I am. We should all be so lucky to live in a world where every good kid gets a pony and money grows on trees.
Good thing no one's saying, implying or alluding to any of that!

[jarrod]

Cyclops was the one who insisted that the mutant community deal with Quintin Quire on their own. Besides telling Captain America, how is that any different than what Wolverine just did in this issue? In either scenario, Captain America and the Avengers would have came down on either Utopia or the school if Quintin Quire effed up royally. It wouldn't have mattered if it were Cyclops or Wolverine. It would have went down badly for whichever of them had Quintin Quire and failed to keep him in check.
If you really can't discern the significant difference in Scott's vs Logan's responses to Rogers concerning QQ, and how that key difference could potentially impact the X-Men at large, then I really don't know what to say. Might as well end it all now, there's no hope.

[bladeofdarkness]

Cyclops was the one who insisted that the mutant community deal with Quintin Quire on their own. Besides telling Captain America, how is that any different than what Wolverine just did in this issue? In either scenario, Captain America and the Avengers would have came down on either Utopia or the school if Quintin Quire effed up royally. It wouldn't have mattered if it were Cyclops or Wolverine. It would have went down badly for whichever of them had Quintin Quire and failed to keep him in check.

Cyclops is, for all intent and purpose, the leader of the Mutant nation.
Wolverine is headmaster in a private school.

one of them refusing to turn over QQ would lead to war
the other would, at worse, risk having his school shut down and possibly face jail time for harboring a wanted criminal.

QQ doesn't have to royally effe up in order to provoke this response.
he already DID that in schism.

[trajikflp]

IMO, Talking to Captain America and negotiating a deal is a pretty big difference. As of now, Scott acts like he is above all laws be they international or US. He would be much smarter to not needlessly antagonize people when he can make a deal like Wolverine did.

Quintin Quire's actions revealed that no world power trusted the mutants enough, even after they were decimated to a couple hundred, to dismantle their secret stash of Sentinels. Cyclops' letter advising them of his Extinction Team (hate the name, tbh) is no different than a democratic leader advising the collective world that they won't tolerate terrorism. Cyclops didn't go to another country, decimate it with his eye beams; didn't have Magneto rip out and toss around all the metal structures in said country; nor have Storm pull out a rainstorm/snowstorm to cause floods and what-not. It was a letter.

True, Cyclops has been characterized as being above the law, but if you recall, part of their reason creating Utopia was for it to be a sovereign state/country. Even then, the mutants haven't been going around pillaging countries and nations to get their resources to survive. Wolverine had an in with Captain America since they're both Avengers. Captain America even said it himself that it's because Wolverine is an Avenger that he was affording Wolverine some lee-way that he would not offer to anyone else. I imagine Cyclops knew this and didn't want to ask, for sh*ts and giggles. But in essence, what Cyclops wanted to do with Quire and what Wolverine is doing with Quire are the same thing. Wolverine. Still a hypocrite since 2011.

[trajikflp]

If you really can't discern the significant difference in Scott's vs Logan's responses to Rogers concerning QQ, and how that key difference could potentially impact the X-Men at large, then I really don't know what to say. Might as well end it all now, there's no hope.

...is irrelevant. Because you and I will never see eye to eye on the matter does not make you right and me wrong. Please learn that. The extent at which you go to get your sh*ts and giggles is at best childish.

[jarrod]

...is irrelevant. Because you and I will never see eye to eye on the matter does not make you right and me wrong. Please learn that. The extent at which you go to get your sh*ts and giggles is at best childish.
I don't feel your ignorance is irrelevant, it's just sad. :(

[Bronze Badger]

I'm not going to bother going through my back issues and count how many issues Silvestri or Lee did before a fill-in artist came on and did an issue or two. I'm sure, however, there's someone out there who can easily do that. Have fun with that because I'd welcome someone to correct me without the grade school insults and superior attitude.

So you make a ridiculous statement and your defense is to that you're too lazy to prove your point? The burden of proof lies with the noob who argues with others 2 weeks after a counterargument is given. You can stick your condescending attitude up your ass as well.

[Relique]

Quintin Quire's actions revealed that no world power trusted the mutants enough, even after they were decimated to a couple hundred, to dismantle their secret stash of Sentinels. Cyclops' letter advising them of his Extinction Team (hate the name, tbh) is no different than a democratic leader advising the collective world that they won't tolerate terrorism. Cyclops didn't go to another country, decimate it with his eye beams; didn't have Magneto rip out and toss around all the metal structures in said country; nor have Storm pull out a rainstorm/snowstorm to cause floods and what-not. It was a letter.

True, Cyclops has been characterized as being above the law, but if you recall, part of their reason creating Utopia was for it to be a sovereign state/country. Even then, the mutants haven't been going around pillaging countries and nations to get their resources to survive. Yet.. didn't Magneto ( and xorn if you buy the retcon) and many on Utopia do that years before on multiple occurances? According to your logic Quadaffi should still be alive and an ally of the Us because he turned his back on terrorists when Bush said, we kill terroristrs dead. Yet we turned on him and helped the Libyans kill his ass as soon as we had the chance. Just because Magneto is now a general of a nation NO ONEin the UN recognizes four years after his country was leveled to the ground does not absolve him from his warcrimes nor does it hid the fact that he was marching humans into the ovens a few years ago while on a coke and Meth binge ( and playing a meat puppet to sublime).

[JaggedFel]

Yet.. didn't Magneto ( and xorn if you buy the retcon) and many on Utopia do that years before on multiple occurances? According to your logic Quadaffi should still be alive and an ally of the Us because he turned his back on terrorists when Bush said, we kill terroristrs dead. Yet we turned on him and helped the Libyans kill his ass as soon as we had the chance. Just because Magneto is now a general of a nation NO ONEin the UN recognizes four years after his country was leveled to the ground does not absolve him from his warcrimes nor does it hid the fact that he was marching humans into the ovens a few years ago while on a coke and Meth binge ( and playing a meat puppet to sublime).

Xorn was doing the ovens but its not like anyone besides the x-men know it was Xorn.

[jarrod]

Xorn was doing the ovens but its not like anyone besides the x-men know it was Xorn.

The world knows it was Xorn too. What everyone doesn't know is that Xorn was the real Magneto and the current Magneto is really Wanda's stray brainfart.

[DeadXMan]

The world knows it was Xorn too. What everyone doesn't know is that Xorn was the real Magneto and the current Magneto is really Wanda's stray brainfart.

Or that Xorn was what Doom pictured what Magneto is when he manipulated Wanda.

[Maxwell Maniac]

In the last page, it seems to me that another villain appeared before Sabretooth (top right 2 panels), don't you think? If that's suppose to be Sabretooth, less points for the art in the book!