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Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-09.html
I feel a bit scared at how low my favorite books are. :frown::frown:
Don't be scared, SD, Marvel pretty much expected this. They knew it, we knew it, and the whole world knew DC was going to win this month.
They probably won't cancel any low selling books.
As for the next few months, that's the question. I happen to know Marvel has a high cancellation line, and it's tough to beat. But the titles you like, like Avengers Academy and Thunderbolts should stick around.
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:03 PM
Don't be scared, SD, Marvel pretty much expected this. They knew it, we knew it, and the whole world knew DC was going to win this month.
They probably won't cancel any low selling books.
As for the next few months, that's the question. I happen to know Marvel has a high cancellation line, and it's tough to beat. But the titles you like, like Avengers Academy and Thunderbolts should stick around.
Yeah, Gen Hope I'm prepared to lose though.
Also, COME ON! Demon Knights should have sold more!
CyberHubbs
10-10-2011, 08:06 PM
Basically, all of DC's big names/titles did great. The rest...eh. But probably better than they would have had they been introduced outside the relaunch.
Yeah, Gen Hope I'm prepared to lose though.
Also, COME ON! Demon Knights should have sold more!
Personally, after reading Static Shock, THAT should've done better. It was pure fun.
Generation Hope's direction is...interesting, to say the least. In fact, after Regenesis, I'm looking foward to all the X-Title's directions, and how they integrate in their respective spots.
Basically, all of DC's big names/titles did great. The rest...eh. But probably better than they would have had they been introduced outside the relaunch.
Exactly. See, this guy knows what he's talking about. :biggrin:
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:22 PM
Personally, after reading Static Shock, THAT should've done better. It was pure fun.
Generation Hope's direction is...interesting, to say the least. In fact, after Regenesis, I'm looking foward to all the X-Title's directions, and how they integrate in their respective spots.
Exactly. See, this guy knows what he's talking about. :biggrin:
Oh, I loved Static Shock 1.
But Static Shock 2 made me instantly drop the book. Clones? Bad art? I don't know, lost all interests after that.
SuperCooper
10-10-2011, 08:25 PM
Oof Alpha Flight didn't even break the top 100....this does not bode well for an ongoing. :frown: I guess we'll wait and see. I'm impressed with Amazing Spider-Man holding it's own in the top twenty, though, considering it's a pretty tough crowd.
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:30 PM
Oof Alpha Flight didn't even break the top 100....this does not bode well for an ongoing. :frown: I guess we'll wait and see. I'm impressed with Amazing Spider-Man holding it's own in the top twenty, though, considering it's a pretty tough crowd.
It's still the F****** SPider-Man. There's no way it WON'T be up there!
Oh, I loved Static Shock 1.
But Static Shock 2 made me instantly drop the book. Clones? Bad art? I don't know, lost all interests after that.
Me? I thought the 2nd issue was better than the first. Yeah, the clone thing was stupid and random, but the way the villains were being built up as well as Virgil's world was cool.
Oof Alpha Flight didn't even break the top 100....this does not bode well for an ongoing. :frown: I guess we'll wait and see. I'm impressed with Amazing Spider-Man holding it's own in the top twenty, though, considering it's a pretty tough crowd.
ASM will never lose that many readers, really. It just got pushed back. If not, it would probably be one in the top ten and another right behind it like always.
As for Alpha Flight, it's new, and besides, Marvel expected this to happen. If they didn't...yeah, there would be trouble.
It's still the F****** SPider-Man. There's no way it WON'T be up there!
QFT
Say what you will about OMD, but ever since Big Time and now Spider-Island, as well as the new Ultimate Spider-Man, people love their Spider-Man (including me!).
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:33 PM
Me? I thought the 2nd issue was better than the first. Yeah, the clone thing was stupid and random, but the way the villains were being built up as well as Virgil's world was cool.
I don't know. The second issue turned me off so much that I dropped the book. Sorry.
(My DC picks are Birds of Prey, Demon Knights, New Guardians, JLI and Supergirl. The last two I'm VERY shaky on. I mean, MY GOD, Godiva is annoying in JLI!)
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:34 PM
QFT
Say what you will about OMD, but ever since Big Time and now Spider-Island, as well as the new Ultimate Spider-Man, people love their Spider-Man (including me!).
Exactly.
Batman and Spider-Man will NEVER sell low. (I'm talking the main book, not the side books)
SuperCooper
10-10-2011, 08:35 PM
ASM will never lose that many readers, really. It just got pushed back. If not, it would probably be one in the top ten and another right behind it like always.
As for Alpha Flight, it's new, and besides, Marvel expected this to happen. If they didn't...yeah, there would be trouble.
That's true on both accounts. I'm just glad (though not entirely surprised, considering some of the titles) that DC didn't mop the floor with Marvel. ASM really has staying power.
With regards to Alpha Flight, I'd agree that Marvel expectations of the series probably aren't spectacularly high, but I just don't want to see the new ongoing fold after a dozen issues, as seems to be common with oh so may books nowadays. Hopefully those numbers can get bumped back up.
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 08:35 PM
Well, if these numbers are accurate then it shows a few things.
DC Sold well.
And Marvel's numbers really didn't decline. But we also didn't see their numbers increase any (as could be the case if new readers arrived at the comic stores and bought more then just DC)
And its highly doubtful DC will outsell Marvel next month, but we will see.
andybmcd
10-10-2011, 08:39 PM
Kinda sad to see most of my favorite titles near the bottom of the heap (from all companies).
I don't know. The second issue turned me off so much that I dropped the book. Sorry.
(My DC picks are Birds of Prey, Demon Knights, New Guardians, JLI and Supergirl. The last two I'm VERY shaky on. I mean, MY GOD, Godiva is annoying in JLI!)
How is Birds of Prey? I heard it wasn't recieved well.
Exactly.
Batman and Spider-Man will NEVER sell low. (I'm talking the main book, not the side books)
That's why Marvel cut Spider-Man's books down to one and sold it thrice monthly (which is about the smartest thing they did in BND). Something DC can learn too (I'm looking at you, 15 Bat-Books).
That's true on both accounts. I'm just glad (though not entirely surprised, considering some of the titles) that DC didn't mop the floor with Marvel. ASM really has staying power.
With regards to Alpha Flight, I'd agree that Marvel expectations of the series probably aren't spectacularly high, but I just don't want to see the new ongoing fold after a dozen issues, as seems to be common with oh so may books nowadays. Hopefully those numbers can get bumped back up.
They probably will. But at the same time, just like Dan Didio said with DC's cancellation line, they can't carry dead fat. If fans or critics love it, but it's selling low, then yeah, it's dead. That's why they do banners and start series from events and Point Ones, just to make it more visible and noticeable. It helps too, really.
Well, if these numbers are accurate then it shows a few things.
DC Sold well.
And Marvel's numbers really didn't decline. But we also didn't see their numbers increase any (as could be the case if new readers arrived at the comic stores and bought more then just DC)
And its highly doubtful DC will outsell Marvel next month, but we will see.
I think Marvel and DC will be even, and then DC will be right back where it started: selling a little below Marvel. Not a slam on DC, but how many new readers can they keep?
FriendRoss
10-10-2011, 08:44 PM
Kinda sad to see most of my favorite titles near the bottom of the heap (from all companies).
i know.... who buys all that other stuff
i know.... who buys all that other stuff
Haha...!
That's F***ed up. :biggrin:
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 08:49 PM
How is Birds of Prey? I heard it wasn't recieved well.
That's why Marvel cut Spider-Man's books down to one and sold it thrice monthly (which is about the smartest thing they did in BND). Something DC can learn too (I'm looking at you, 15 Bat-Books).
They probably will. But at the same time, just like Dan Didio said with DC's cancellation line, they can't carry dead fat. If fans or critics love it, but it's selling low, then yeah, it's dead. That's why they do banners and start series from events and Point Ones, just to make it more visible and noticeable. It helps too, really.
I think Marvel and DC will be even, and then DC will be right back where it started: selling a little below Marvel. Not a slam on DC, but how many new readers can they keep?
Thats the problem, for all intents and purposes they are even this month.
Thats the problem, for all intents and purposes they are even this month.
Really? I keep hearing on the DC boards that DC pulled out humongously on the relaunch ahead of Marvel.
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 08:52 PM
How is Birds of Prey? I heard it wasn't recieved well.
I enjoyed it. Sterling, the new character, is pretty awesome.
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 08:53 PM
Really? I keep hearing on the DC boards that DC pulled out humongously on the relaunch ahead of Marvel.
they are half a percent over marvel in dollar share.
I enjoyed it. Sterling, the new character, is pretty awesome.
It looks cool. What about New Guardians and Demon Knights? I liked Knight's concept, but I couldn't find it at my LCS.
they are half a percent over marvel in dollar share.
AHA!!! Talk about exaggeration, then! I keep reading some people over there saying "suck it Marvel" and I'm like, what? They didn't do the best they could, really. Ah. Silly fans.
Anyway, is that the real number?
Jumpoff!
10-10-2011, 09:00 PM
So since ghost rider is so low can we please get rid of chick rider and get blaze or ketch back so I can buy the book
So since ghost rider is so low can we please get rid of chick rider and get blaze or ketch back so I can buy the book
It's not low because of story. It's low because of DC. :wink:
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 09:02 PM
It looks cool. What about New Guardians and Demon Knights? I liked Knight's concept, but I couldn't find it at my LCS.
AHA!!! Talk about exaggeration, then! I keep reading some people over there saying "suck it Marvel" and I'm like, what? They didn't do the best they could, really. Ah. Silly fans.
Anyway, is that the real number?
Demon Knights is GREAT. Fantastic art, Midevil setting, though the pace is VERY fast, you'll have fun.
New Guardians is getting started, and taking it's time, but I really love the color use and such.
You know you can buy them digitally now.
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 09:02 PM
It looks cool. What about New Guardians and Demon Knights? I liked Knight's concept, but I couldn't find it at my LCS.
AHA!!! Talk about exaggeration, then! I keep reading some people over there saying "suck it Marvel" and I'm like, what? They didn't do the best they could, really. Ah. Silly fans.
Anyway, is that the real number?
The other thing going around is an unsourced rumor that "DC has confirmed they will sell more books next month then this month!"
which would be great but come on.
Demon Knights is GREAT. Fantastic art, Midevil setting, though the pace is VERY fast, you'll have fun.
New Guardians is getting started, and taking it's time, but I really love the color use and such.
You know you can buy them digitally now.
Oh yeah. I almost forgot about that.
The other thing going around is an unsourced rumor that "DC has confirmed they will sell more books next month then this month!"
which would be great but come on.
Which would be great, but it's unsourced, and the data's faulty.
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 09:09 PM
Oh yeah. I almost forgot about that.
Which would be great, but it's unsourced, and the data's faulty.
it also seems to go against reality
Awesome!
10-10-2011, 09:13 PM
Something else to keep in mind is that all of DC's 41 returnable titles are being reported with lower than actual units sold due to the possibility of returns. Diamond won't release the actual numbers until next year. With how these things flew off the shelves though I don't think there will be too many returns.
link7521
10-10-2011, 09:14 PM
they are half a percent over marvel in dollar share.
to be fair marvel also published 2x the amount of book's that dc published and dc number's are decresed by 20% for possibilty of return's and don't include reorder's and second print's or 3ed.
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 09:16 PM
Something else to keep in mind is that all of DC's 41 returnable titles are being reported with lower than actual units sold due to the possibility of returns. Diamond won't release the actual numbers until next year. With how these things flew off the shelves though I don't think there will be too many returns.
Call me a cynic, but I really do wish DC well and a few of the titles are quite good, but even if nothing is returned, and they have only about a 20 percent drop from #1 to #2 next month I am still not blown away by it.
Its just not enough to to really move them from Number #2 to Number #1... and I am not seeing any evidence here, and I may be wrong, that they actually brought in lapsed or new readers in large enough numbers to mater.
It kind of looks like DC fans just bought 4 times the books they normally do, and Marvel fans picked up a handful as well.
DaUltimateSheild
10-10-2011, 09:18 PM
with the Exception of x23 all my favorite books are sitting pretty!
Songbird/Diamondback
10-10-2011, 09:21 PM
with the Exception of x23 all my favorite books are sitting pretty!
Of course...
joemauer
10-10-2011, 10:02 PM
Anyone else notice how many issue #1's at the top of the chart? I guess issue #1's really do sell better then your typical issues. Wonder how long til Marvel re f ups the numbering on my comics again with more issue #1's? Or DC for that matter.
Anyway it really saddens me to see X Men vol. 3 selling 43,000 while X factor is selling 23,000. Should be reversed.
Anyone else notice how many issue #1's at the top of the chart? I guess issue #1's really do sell better then your typical issues. Wonder how long til Marvel re f ups the numbering on my comics again with more issue #1's? Or DC for that matter.
Anyway it really saddens me to see X Men vol. 3 selling 43,000 while X factor is selling 23,000. Should be reversed.
Well, Marvel's already had several new #1's in the past few years with Avengers, New Avengers, Secret Avengers, Captain America, Incredible Hulk, Uncanny X-Men, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine and the X-Men, Mighty Thor, Defenders, FF, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, and the Ultimates
Cavemold
10-10-2011, 10:10 PM
Iron man 2.0 is gone . Lol 15k
Iron man 2.0 is gone . Lol 15k
That low? I thought it was cancelled anyway. :biggrin:
The_Ronin
10-10-2011, 10:15 PM
Anyone else notice how many issue #1's at the top of the chart? I guess issue #1's really do sell better then your typical issues. Wonder how long til Marvel re f ups the numbering on my comics again with more issue #1's? Or DC for that matter.
Anyway it really saddens me to see X Men vol. 3 selling 43,000 while X factor is selling 23,000. Should be reversed.
#1s don't just sell better they sell drastically better.
Hopefully Marvel will also learn the lesson of hype and advertisements. They already make badass video ads for their comics.. they just don't release them anywhere but comic websites and their website.
#1s don't just sell better they sell drastically better.
Hopefully Marvel will also learn the lesson of hype and advertisements. They already make badass video ads for their comics.. they just don't release them anywhere but comic websites and their website.
Quoted For Truth!
They still have that YouTube page no one knows about, though. It has all their awesome trailers. My favorite one is the Spider-Man: Big Time trailer. I catch it every now and then to watch. That's how good they are.
Brother Justin Crowe
10-10-2011, 10:25 PM
Iron man 2.0 is gone . Lol 15k
Black Panther, Generation Hope, Ghost Rider and Alpha Flight aren't far behind.
Shame. I was kind of enjoying BP and GR and am looking forward to Asmus on GH.
Babylon23
10-10-2011, 11:08 PM
Really? I keep hearing on the DC boards that DC pulled out humongously on the relaunch ahead of Marvel.
I think people are basing that more on the fact that DC has outsold Marvel producing around 60 titles to Marvel's 100, with the bulk of their books being priced at $2.99 as opposed to Marvel having 1/4 of their tooks at $3.99.
Also, the figures don't include 2nd, 3rd and 4th priniting of the #1's. According to DC, all of their books have at least gone to 2nd printing.
But the most important number, the one that gets overlooked by all the Marvel vs. DC bickering, is that over 1 million more comics were sold in September than in August. In august, the top 300 books sold 6.2 million issues. In September, they sold 7.27 million. that's good for the industry as a whole and hopefully all companies will reap the benefits from the renewed interest generated by DC's relaunch.
Nova2814.1
10-10-2011, 11:44 PM
But we also didn't see their numbers increase any (as could be the case if new readers arrived at the comic stores and bought more then just DC)
It could be the case that the new/returning readers bought some Marvel as well as DC in September, but we won't see that affect retailers orders (and in turn the sales charts) for another month or two.
link7521
10-11-2011, 12:03 AM
It could be the case that the new/returning readers bought some Marvel as well as DC in September, but we won't see that affect retailers orders (and in turn the sales charts) for another month or two.
I would be surprised if we don't see a increse in sale's for all publisher's over next couple month's.since more cash in there pocket's is more cash for ordering and they no there's alot of buzz now and people are in the store's.
USERNAME TAKEN
10-11-2011, 01:40 AM
Iron man 2.0 is gone . Lol 15k
Yeah and good riddance.
Horrible book. I'm not impressed by Nick Spencer so far.
Nova2814.1
10-11-2011, 01:42 AM
I would be surprised if we don't see a increse in sale's for all publisher's over next couple month's.since more cash in there pocket's is more cash for ordering and they no there's alot of buzz now and people are in the store's.
Hopefully we'll see that. Does anyone know if publishers (not just Marvel) are offering retailers any special incentives or extra discounts over the next few months? Or has anyone's LCS offered any special deals for non-DC comics?
USERNAME TAKEN
10-11-2011, 01:51 AM
DC were always going to win this month regardless of Marvels output.
DC sold really, really well.
While i don't believe for one second that sooo many new readers were brought in (if they were, these numbers would be much,much higher), i do believe that DC brought back a lot of lapsed readers and also encouraged a HUGE number of Marvel fans to pick up DC books.
When its all said and done, Marvel really do need to get their act together. While i don't think the new 52 will significantly affect Marvel's fortunes they still need to do something. Re-booting is definitely not the way to go but they do need to get themselves out of this static that they find themselves.
The_Ronin
10-11-2011, 02:07 AM
It could be the case that the new/returning readers bought some Marvel as well as DC in September, but we won't see that affect retailers orders (and in turn the sales charts) for another month or two.
fair enough.
The_Ronin
10-11-2011, 02:13 AM
But the most important number, the one that gets overlooked by all the Marvel vs. DC bickering, is that over 1 million more comics were sold in September than in August. In august, the top 300 books sold 6.2 million issues. In September, they sold 7.27 million. that's good for the industry as a whole and hopefully all companies will reap the benefits from the renewed interest generated by DC's relaunch.
Nobody is over looking this.
however we also don't know if those extra books represent any 'new' readers at all.
We do, however, know that DC's new sales did not cannibalize Marvel's sales. which would of been a worst case scenario for the industry. Meaning there are just no more dollars out there to be had. That was not the case though.
As pointed out it might take a month or two before the costumer's actions are actually reflected in the diamond numbers, but (and I don't know about you guys) but I didn't exactly see a whole bunch of Marvel books sitting on the shelves gathering dust this month.
Cavemold
10-11-2011, 02:24 AM
Black Panther, Generation Hope, Ghost Rider and Alpha Flight aren't far behind.
Shame. I was kind of enjoying BP and GR and am looking forward to Asmus on GH.
Yea ... And I hate nick Spencer I refuse to buy anything he has a part in. It may be extreme but i could write a better war machine book. No I don't care about rhodey supporting cast that much!! Seriously , and palmer addlley isnt not worth a whole dam arch . Thanks to nick war machine getting a new on going is slim to none.
sethysquare
10-11-2011, 02:44 AM
Nobody is over looking this.
however we also don't know if those extra books represent any 'new' readers at all.
We do, however, know that DC's new sales did not cannibalize Marvel's sales. which would of been a worst case scenario for the industry. Meaning there are just no more dollars out there to be had. That was not the case though.
As pointed out it might take a month or two before the costumer's actions are actually reflected in the diamond numbers, but (and I don't know about you guys) but I didn't exactly see a whole bunch of Marvel books sitting on the shelves gathering dust this month.
Actually many retailers have reported new readers from websites like bleeding cool n cbr. Also if u check out dc forums new readers n have been trickling in and there lotsa threads like hi im a new reader and id just like to ask a question.. Personally i was one of those that got sucked into new 52 since i heard the news few months ago. Then lots others have been coming to dc boards.
Also we wont know if the increase in dc books will result in decrease of marvel books until oct n nov's books are released.
Sabrewulf
10-11-2011, 04:05 AM
I don't know what ICV2 have done this mont but there figures are most definatley off.
There is now way Uncanny X-Men, Avengers, New Avengers, Mighty Thor, Wolverine, Schism, Fear Itself all made significant jumps mid-arc.
Generation Hpe Regensis or not can't be long for this world.
And we prove yet again that despites Marels best efforts Vampires don't sell.
Sadly neither does Cloak and Dagger.
Kieran_Frost
10-11-2011, 04:36 AM
Most of my comics are down roughly 1,500 est. sales from the previous month (only Uncanny X-men and Uncanny X-force went UP; both by about 2,500). I'm not too worried; most of my comics are very safe; and while Thunderbolts numbers are nothing to brag about, they stay consistently steady (I'm sure an inevitable upcoming tie-in to the next big event will boost numbers back up; and the .1 sold almost as well as the comic, which is a GOOD sign). And I was thinking of dropping Daken: Dark Wolverine anyway (so the low numbers don't both me). Only Black Panther: Man Without Fear is concerning me... fingers crossed the Kingpin arc brings much needed new fans. :frown:
#25. Uncanny X-Men #543 (58,326)
#32. Uncanny X-Force #15 (53,771)
#66. X-Men: Legacy #255 (39,284)
#67. X-Men: Legacy #256 (38,680)
#83. Venom #7 (33,130)
#84. Astonishing X-Men #42 (32,700)
#87. Journey Into Mystery #627 (29,678)
#89. Journey Into Mystery #628 (28,843)
#97. Thunderbolts #163 (24,199)
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#104. Thunderbolts #163.1 (22,596)
#110. Daken: Dark Wolverine #14 (20,460)
#115. Black Panther: Man Without Fear #523 (18,798)
#126. Black Panther: Most Dangerous Man Alive #523.1 (16,592)
SpideyCzar
10-11-2011, 04:37 AM
Very glad to see Amazing Spider-Man holding it's ground against the New 52 gimmick especially with Spider-Island being so good.
98 Avengers Academy-Sheesh, this book is solid and is probably better month in and month out than half of the New 52 (I feel confident in saying this with reading ZERO DC books, that's more praise of Avengers Academy than bashing the New 52 gimmick). Just goes to show the #1, partial reboot gimmick will bring alot of speculators.
115 Black Panther-Man I really hate to see this book so low as I've highly enjoyed the noir feel of the book since Matt Murdock left Hell's Kitchen. I'm hoping this title can get noticed in this age of events and gimmicky promos.
RLAAMJR.
10-11-2011, 04:38 AM
x-men #1 20 anniversary edition will be number i october, hopefully. :biggrin:
Babylon23
10-11-2011, 03:23 PM
however we also don't know if those extra books represent any 'new' readers at all.
At the moment, all we have is anecdotal evidence presented by retailers posting their stories on the various websites. The general consensus is that the books are attracting new and lapsed readers.
We do, however, know that DC's new sales did not cannibalize Marvel's sales. which would of been a worst case scenario for the industry. Meaning there are just no more dollars out there to be had. That was not the case though.
Exactly right. All indicators show that Marvel's numbers were steady, with some small growth in a few titles. While DC increased their unit sales by almost a million copies, there was no detrimental affect for Marvel. That's a good sign across the board.
jackolover
10-11-2011, 03:43 PM
Those are some of the worst numbers on an Event(Fear Itself) I've have seen for Marvel. I hope it isn't a reflection on Alex Alonso. But I can't see fans dropping marvel books just to buy DC's 52 if they like the Marvel book. Unless we are believe that fans abandon what they like and buy the DC No.1's because of cash considerations?
Mechano
10-11-2011, 04:02 PM
DC blew their wad... this is the highest they will ever be from a print standpoint. It's all downhill from here.
link7521
10-11-2011, 04:05 PM
Those are some of the worst numbers on an Event(Fear Itself) I've have seen for Marvel. I hope it isn't a reflection on Alex Alonso. But I can't see fans dropping marvel books just to buy DC's 52 if they like the Marvel book. Unless we are believe that fans abandon what they like and buy the DC No.1's because of cash considerations?
Why would they not if they like the dc bok's better then the marvel one's,most people buy what they like or at least should.
Awesome!
10-11-2011, 04:10 PM
......
Use the word "gimmick" a few more times in your next post. I don't think everyone got it this time.
The_Ronin
10-11-2011, 04:18 PM
Why would they not if they like the dc bok's better then the marvel one's,most people buy what they like or at least should.
Because they aren't going to abandon a title they are 20 issues into, or what have you to try a new book.
They will pick up the new book, then maybe down the road if cash is tight they will drop something they don't like as much. But aside from a handful of rapid fans no one read Animal Man (using it because it is great) and went "Holy shit, Cancel all of my Marvel and Indy books!"
The_Ronin
10-11-2011, 04:19 PM
Use the word "gimmick" a few more times in your next post. I don't think everyone got it this time.
Which gimmicky gimmick did you not like him calling a gimmick?
gimmick is a gimmicky word.
Awesome!
10-11-2011, 04:21 PM
Which gimmicky gimmick did you not like him calling a gimmick?
gimmick is a gimmicky word.
It's just like, dude we get it.
Brad Barton
10-11-2011, 04:48 PM
DC blew their wad... this is the highest they will ever be from a print standpoint. It's all downhill from here.Pretty much what I kept thinking as I was reading the thread. If some overeager DC fanboys are convinced DC's numbers will continue to go up from here, I can't help but think they're slightly delusional.
Every title-- aside from the big, big guns like Supes, Bats and JLA-- will consistently shave 5-10k copies off their numbers every month till they're either cancelled or right back where they started.
jackolover
10-11-2011, 06:37 PM
Because they aren't going to abandon a title they are 20 issues into, or what have you to try a new book.
They will pick up the new book, then maybe down the road if cash is tight they will drop something they don't like as much. But aside from a handful of rapid fans no one read Animal Man (using it because it is great) and went "Holy shit, Cancel all of my Marvel and Indy books!"
That's what I was thinking. No one should just drop Marvel books they like, just to try a DC book. So, to me, the Marvel numbers are very low for an Event. All those negative comments about FI on the board are now translated into sales, to my mind. Not that I think it's a shame, because people don't buy what they don't like. FI hasn't ignited the imagination because of strange books like Monkey King and Hulk vs Dracula. But what did surprise me are the numbers for Youth and Home Front. People must just abandon the Event wholesale, and not even get the better books. Fraction has a lot to answer for with this. I was intrigued by the first hint of this event when that little video came out to start it, about Roosevelt's speech. But none of that angst translated into the event after that.
Will.S
10-11-2011, 06:46 PM
Most of my comics are down roughly 1,500 est. sales from the previous month (only Uncanny X-men and Uncanny X-force went UP; both by about 2,500). I'm not too worried; most of my comics are very safe; and while Thunderbolts numbers are nothing to brag about, they stay consistently steady (I'm sure an inevitable upcoming tie-in to the next big event will boost numbers back up; and the .1 sold almost as well as the comic, which is a GOOD sign). And I was thinking of dropping Daken: Dark Wolverine anyway (so the low numbers don't both me). Only Black Panther: Man Without Fear is concerning me... fingers crossed the Kingpin arc brings much needed new fans. :frown:
#25. Uncanny X-Men #543 (58,326)
#32. Uncanny X-Force #15 (53,771)
#66. X-Men: Legacy #255 (39,284)
#67. X-Men: Legacy #256 (38,680)
#83. Venom #7 (33,130)
#84. Astonishing X-Men #42 (32,700)
#87. Journey Into Mystery #627 (29,678)
#89. Journey Into Mystery #628 (28,843)
#97. Thunderbolts #163 (24,199)
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#104. Thunderbolts #163.1 (22,596)
#110. Daken: Dark Wolverine #14 (20,460)
#115. Black Panther: Man Without Fear #523 (18,798)
#126. Black Panther: Most Dangerous Man Alive #523.1 (16,592)
I purchase and enjoy most if not all of those books so I'm with you.
Parch
10-11-2011, 06:54 PM
DC did great, no surprise, but the important part is that Marvel titles did not suffer massive declines. They held their own and it appears that a huge number of Marvel readers DID NOT switch to the dark side.
Call it a gimmick or whatever, but what DC did is outstanding for the industry. It's hard to estimate just how many new readers showed up, but whatever the number some of them are going to start looking at Marvel titles as well.
DC is a big winner, but Marvel and the rest of the industry also benefits from this.
DC did great, no surprise, but the important part is that Marvel titles did not suffer massive declines. They held their own and it appears that a huge number of Marvel readers DID NOT switch to the dark side.
Call it a gimmick or whatever, but what DC did is outstanding for the industry. It's hard to estimate just how many new readers showed up, but whatever the number some of them are going to start looking at Marvel titles as well.
DC is a big winner, but Marvel and the rest of the industry also benefits from this.
And you know a pattern I noticed? They look towards Marvel's stuff and see some awesome stuff like the Avengers against HYDRA & HAMMER (with the former being in the cartoon), Spider-Man against his own archenemies, and even stuff like the X-Men up against their old enemies in Mr. Sinister and Krakoa.
Marvel plays their cards right, they don't need a relaunch: they just need to do what they've always been doing.
But otherwise, yes, I agree. This is good for everyone.
link7521
10-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Because they aren't going to abandon a title they are 20 issues into, or what have you to try a new book.
They will pick up the new book, then maybe down the road if cash is tight they will drop something they don't like as much. But aside from a handful of rapid fans no one read Animal Man (using it because it is great) and went "Holy shit, Cancel all of my Marvel and Indy books!"
why would they cancel all and not 1?
make's sense to me if someone read animal man and they are on a budget like many,they would drop 1 book to make room for it.
djsweet
10-11-2011, 09:16 PM
So, this is my complete Marvel September. If any of you haven't bought Debt of Death, you really should! I think it was last week that Axel mentioned that Deadpoolmax was dropping down to 20 pages. (Actually I think he didn't say it outright, just "if we have to cut 2 pages to keep two talented...bla bla bla)
Anyway, the book felt short. And I guess it's the only $4 Marvel book I will buy
Wolverine Debt of Death was like 34 pages btw
64 20.95 $2.99 MAR Daredevil (2011) 3 39,477
93 14.11 $2.99 MAR Hulk 40 26,591
94 13.84 $2.99 MAR Hulk 41 26,084
97 12.84 $2.99 MAR Thunderbolts 163 24,199
104 11.99 $2.99 MAR Thunderbolts 163.1 22,596
124 8.92 $3.99 MAR Wolverine Debt of Death 1 16,814
144 7.70 $3.99 MAR Deadpoolmax 12 14,507 11 14,627
The_Ronin
10-12-2011, 12:14 AM
That's what I was thinking. No one should just drop Marvel books they like, just to try a DC book. So, to me, the Marvel numbers are very low for an Event. All those negative comments about FI on the board are now translated into sales, to my mind. Not that I think it's a shame, because people don't buy what they don't like. FI hasn't ignited the imagination because of strange books like Monkey King and Hulk vs Dracula. But what did surprise me are the numbers for Youth and Home Front. People must just abandon the Event wholesale, and not even get the better books. Fraction has a lot to answer for with this. I was intrigued by the first hint of this event when that little video came out to start it, about Roosevelt's speech. But none of that angst translated into the event after that.
Well the FI numbers suck do to unrelated reasons to the DC relaunch.
Its 3 issues of stories dragged out over 7 months, so no one cares at this point.
On top of the shrinking market place.
The_Ronin
10-12-2011, 12:17 AM
why would they cancel all and not 1?
make's sense to me if someone read animal man and they are on a budget like many,they would drop 1 book to make room for it.
Most people can fudge 3 bucks a month in a budget. The only people who dropped a marvel book because they loved animal man, are people who were already looking for a reason to drop a marvel book.
don't get to crazy now just to fit your narrative you crafted.
At any rate we have zero evidence to suggest DC's sales are at the expense of Marvel.
And no, 3 guys posting on a DC web forum are not evidence.
The_Ronin
10-12-2011, 12:20 AM
It's just like, dude we get it.
Get what? you didn't answer my question at all!
Nova2814.1
10-12-2011, 12:20 AM
I think it was last week that Axel mentioned that Deadpoolmax was dropping down to 20 pages. (Actually I think he didn't say it outright, just "if we have to cut 2 pages to keep two talented...bla bla bla)
Anyway, the book felt short. And I guess it's the only $4 Marvel book I will buy
The most recent issue, #12, was 20 pages. Based on that, and Axel's comments, Vol/Season 2 will probably be 20 pages.
djsweet
10-12-2011, 02:18 PM
The most recent issue, #12, was 20 pages. Based on that, and Axel's comments, Vol./Season 2 will probably be 20 pages.
I might count it as 21 because they did sneak in that ORIGINAL page of art teasing Vol. 2, but it read like the script was edited down to 20pages. Still, I will continue to buy it. I would trade wait, but i'll pay for originality and talent and support a low selling Max book.
That Lapham/DeLaTorre book will totally be a "wait for cheap trade" thou. That will defiantly be $4
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