Star Wars Fan Already in Line!

[John S Osen]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30205

[mattbib]

What a loser. Just use frickin' Fandango like a sane person.

[Pedalhome]

What a loser. Just use frickin' Fandango like a sane person.

I'm not going to call this guy a loser, but this is taking the whole traditional Star Wars line up a little too far. I mean, does this guy not have anything better to do for next four months? I can't help but feel that this poor guy is a touch misguided. It's okay for him to think that "Star Wars is the quintessential modern myth," but come on man, there's more to life than waiting for Revenge of the Sith to open. I guess it takes all kinds...

[SteelTownr]

Do you know what time he will see the movie?

The same time as the folks who didn't wait four months in line.

If he really has that much spare time, he should go over to Sri Lanka and help out. That's what a real Jedi would do.

Mark B.

[Punchy]

Here's his blog:
http://www.waitingforstarwars.blogspot.com/

Some interesting stuff there.

[Buried Alien]

In the words of Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn: "This is not a good idea."

Especially since rain and snow are not uncommon during Seattle winters and springs.


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[SMKSPY]

yeah, I'm sorry, but this guy is a loser....5 months for 2 hours..sheez

[MacQuarrie]

I reserve my contempt for the idiots who subsidize and enable this sort of nonsense. Tell him to get a frigging job and take care of himself. The guy is a vagrant with a clever gimmick.

[Buried Alien]

I reserve my contempt for the idiots who subsidize and enable this sort of nonsense. Tell him to get a frigging job and take care of himself. The guy is a vagrant with a clever gimmick.

To quote STAR WARS yet again, "Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool that follows him?" ;)


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[CitizenKing]

Interesting way to sell your products. (http://www.cafepress.com/superfan1138/)

[K'Nort]

I figure at this point, people are doing it for the publicity and the free stuff, not out of fandom. The first guy in line somewhere makes the news -- that's the incentive.

[Punchy]

This is from the aforementioned blog of his. I geuss some religious professor sent him this letter:

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing to you in regards to, arguably, the world's greatest Star Wars fan, Jeff Tweiten. This name may not mean anything to you, but you may recall his exploits: Jeff was one of the guys who waited in line for over three and a half months outside Seattle's Cinerama for Star Wars Episode II.

Well now Jeff is at it again. As of January 1st, Jeff set his ass down on the concrete, and he's been there ever since. He will be there, in fact, for over five months until 'Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith' is released. I believe he allows himself ten-fifteen minutes a day to shower across the street at a Hotel (someone saves his space in "line"), but other than that, Jeff is Seattle's latest fixture: an odd mix of devotion, philosophy, and human spectacle. Most people, of course, think of this stunt as ridiculous, and the knee-jerk reaction is always to write him off as some type of lunatic fanatic.

I am writing to you because this is not the case, and someone with prominence in the science-fiction/fantasy community needs to take notice of him. Briefly: Jeff is not an attention-seeker or a local media hound, he will continue his wait with or without any recognition from the wider world; rather, Jeff is someone who, as odd as it may seem to conventional society, feels deeply motivated by the idea of "waiting" for things of value, and in a consumer driven, materialistic culture he sees as spiritually drained, this is where he's putting his time and energy down as a worthy investment. All Star Wars fans are moved by how these films capture mythic themes of heroism, discipline, and inner strength, but I would wager that very few of them have been as thoroughly transformed by these ideals as Jeff Tweiten.

I can tell you this: I have had the pleasure of meeting many astounding and impressive spiritual 'masters' in my time - I have my Masters of Divinity from Columbia's Union Theological Seminary, and I worked for many years with the Venerable Lama Pema Wangdak here in New York City and throughout India, but until the day I die, Jeff will be in my own personal top 5 list of the most creative and uniquely powerful individuals I have ever met. A successful artist from Bainbridge Island, Jeff's genius comes not only from his talent, but from that unique ability to truly transcend the opinions of contemporary society in his path to let imagination re-create him. I recognize that this still sounds like a raving fanboy at best, and a complete lunatic at worst, but here's the proof that Jeff's the real thing. Are you ready? JEFF WAITED OUTSIDE IN LINE FOR A MOVIE FOR OVER FOUR MONTHS! And now he's at it again!! I don't think any of us can really have an accurate idea of what this entails. The elements, the mental and physical demands alone would surely weed out anyone who was simply crazy or posturing. Jeff is neither, and maintains his vigil with grace, compassion, and humor.

Remember: while I'm writing this, Jeff is out on the street. He's out on the street while you're reading this, too, and while you go for lunch, forget about all of this for a few hours, and then revisit it again in your mind, Jeff is still out there, right now, on the street, waiting for Star Wars. You may very well forget about this for months, and > it won't be until April that you'll think about it again, but Jeff will still be there, constant, disciplined, a mad hatter bodhisattva manifesting as the one thing all the stuffed shirts out there will be sure to mock and look over: a sci-fi fanboy on crusade, a modern Don Quixote who is unimpressed by the siren appeals of modern culture, and instead has chosen to wait for something of true value and excitement. Whatever any of us - or him - feels about the Star Wars films, (I know his favorite is still 'Empire Strikes Back') is irrelevant, it is the ideals behind these images that moves him, and it is to these timeless and unpopular ideals that he has committed himself. Jeff is not without a sense of irony, and perhaps it is all the more appropriate that this seat of American monasticism finds its most dedicated and insulted hero waiting for a big-budget juggernaut blockbuster.

My point is this: people should sit up and take notice of this guy. Someone fantastic and funny is happening in our midst, and when we look back to tell the story ten years from now, do we want to be one of those ants who lacked vision and mocked him, or one of his fellow crickets who played the violin all winter with him, just out of the sheer joy of myth and fantasy? What are you waiting for? What are any of us waiting for? People should get the word out, write up a story or two, and show Jeff some support. You can reach him at superfan1138@waitingforstarwars.com.

Thank you for your time,

Michael Ellick, M.Div.

[Alex]

The funny thing is, the guys who do this, are always the ones who end up bitching the most.

[Michael P]

If headlines had to be honest, this would read "Jackass Needs To Get Real Job."

[MacQuarrie]

This is from the aforementioned blog of his. I geuss some religious professor sent him this letter:
Wow, did that guy miss the point!

The ant was the hero of the story with the cricket. The cricket was the one who needed to learn the lesson, not the ant. It's easy to use fables to defend foolishness if you're okay with reversing their meaning when it suits you.

"If any would not work, neither should they eat." -Saul of Tarsus

[MacQuarrie]

HEEE!

I just sent the lie-waiting guy an e-mail....

Jeff,

Hate to break it to you, but that guy who wrote about you is nowhere near as bright as he thinks he is. He says:

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My point is this: people should sit up and take notice of this guy. Someone fantastic and funny is happening in our midst, and when we look back to tell the story ten years from now, do we want to be one of those ants who lacked vision and mocked him, or one of his fellow crickets who played the violin all winter with him, just out of the sheer joy of myth and fantasy?
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Problem is, that's exactly the opposite of the point of the Aesop's fable he's referencing. The ant is the hero of that story, not the cricket. The cricket wastes his time and fails to prepare for winter, and the ant has to rescue him from his own foolishness before he dies. The only reason the cricket lives to play his violin at all is because the hardworking ant has compassion on him.

Now then, if the guy who wrote you this letter sees you as the cricket in this story, what are we to make of that?

Best,

Jim MacQuarrie
Monkey Spit

[Slappy san]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30205

Dork!







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[Nate C.]

Well the minister is obviously coming from a Budhist worldview, which fits nicely within the Star Wars mythos.

I think a life lived on a couch is a wasted life, whether said couch is in my living room or on a public sidewalk.

Vagrants unite. Just say you're waiting for Spider-Man 6, and tell the coppers to go screw off!!!

[Deathstroke]

Hey I like and am eagerly anticipating the next Star Wars movie, but man, no freaking way.

[Punchy]

HEEE!

I just sent the lie-waiting guy an e-mail....

Jeff,

Hate to break it to you, but that guy who wrote about you is nowhere near as bright as he thinks he is. He says:

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My point is this: people should sit up and take notice of this guy. Someone fantastic and funny is happening in our midst, and when we look back to tell the story ten years from now, do we want to be one of those ants who lacked vision and mocked him, or one of his fellow crickets who played the violin all winter with him, just out of the sheer joy of myth and fantasy?
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Problem is, that's exactly the opposite of the point of the Aesop's fable he's referencing. The ant is the hero of that story, not the cricket. The cricket wastes his time and fails to prepare for winter, and the ant has to rescue him from his own foolishness before he dies. The only reason the cricket lives to play his violin at all is because the hardworking ant has compassion on him.

Now then, if the guy who wrote you this letter sees you as the cricket in this story, what are we to make of that?

Best,

Jim MacQuarrie
Monkey Spit

Nice one! I hope he responds.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Okay, I don't say this for very many things, but really, this particular guy truly does need to get a life.

[atoningunifex]

I dunno....

This guy knows what he wants to do and he's doing it. You can debate the merits of it and make comments about him getting a life and whatnot, but if he's doing exactly what he wants to do and he's not hurting anyone else...then good for him.

It's the kooky people who follow their bliss who make life interesting. I certainly wouldn't do it. But if he feels he needs to and he can, well, I hope he gets everything he wants out of it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I dunno....

This guy knows what he wants to do and he's doing it. You can debate the merits of it and make comments about him getting a life and whatnot, but if he's doing exactly what he wants to do and he's not hurting anyone else...then good for him.

It's the kooky people who follow their bliss who make life interesting. I certainly wouldn't do it. But if he feels he needs to and he can, well, I hope he gets everything he wants out of it.


Sure, he's not doing any harm, and he could certainly be doing worse things, such as donating money to Fred Phelps or producing child porn, but the fact is, something can be harmless and still be foolish.

[atoningunifex]

Sure, he's not doing any harm, and he could certainly be doing worse things, such as donating money to Fred Phelps or producing child porn, but the fact is, something can be harmless and still be foolish.

Like posting on message boards.........

[SPAfreak]

If headlines had to be honest, this would read "Jackass Needs To Get Real Job."

He does. He's advertising for his graphic design work as we speak. He's got a nice free ad campaign going too.

[thetechnocrat]

This guy is obviously delusional and can't find anything worthwile to do with his time. I love Star Wars as much as anybody. Empire was the first movie I saw in the theater. But c'mon, this is just for publicity or he's just sad. Remember all those people waiting for Episode I? I just walked up to the box office and purchased tickets for the first show while all the line weirdos were still getting out of their tents and crap.

Episode II was no hype at all. Not even 1/3 of the people camped out for that one, except for the attention starved people like this person who want to get in the news. It's not like there is gonna be a huge rush to get tickets to this one either.

I remember when Adam Carolla & Jimmy Kimmel tried to bust into line at one of those things. Funny stuff.

[MacQuarrie]

The ants and the grasshopper...

http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?1&TheAntsandtheGrasshopper

Yep, this guy's the grasshopper.

[John S Osen]

He's not too bright. 5 - 1 = 4. He's waiting for 4 months, but the banner on his blog says 5. If he's doing it for attention, more power to him. If not, he's an idiot doing nothing for a third of a year with his life.

[Boldido]

Why is it being said that he isn't doing any harm? He is creating a public eyesore, he is using the resources of others for a pointless endeavor without giving anything back.

Sure, the harm he is doing is minute, barely perceptible, but waste is harm in a sense. He is using resources while contributing nothing. There is nothing spiritual or special about sloth. Just because it isn't always comfortable for him as the letter writer pointed out, doesn't make it somesort of hajj, it is still sloth.

I am amazed that the theater owners don't issue a trespass warning. What would the liablility of these folks be if this jackass comes down with pneumonia while living on their property, or more realistically, gets the crap kicked out of him by someone who wants to steal his laptop at three in the morning?

[Alex]

Why is it being said that he isn't doing any harm? He is creating a public eyesore, he is using the resources of others for a pointless endeavor without giving anything back.

He's probably giving george lucas hope.
Hope that he can film a dead animal for five hours, and people will line up a month in advance to see it if he puts a lightsaber on it.

[Julie Hatcher]

I was talking with someone at church about this and unfortunately the theater that he is waiting for the movie at is not 100% guaranteed to have the movie. Yes it's Paul Allen's theater (has one of the best sound systems and screens in the city) and Yes, this theater had the last opening where this guy waited with a friend for a hecka long time, but there is no guarantee that this theater will have it.

Most people I have talked to are embarrassed for the guy.

He won't freeze or anything because the homeless shelters around the city check on people who are outside on sidewalks etc.

[JeffreyWKramer]

He won't freeze or anything because the homeless shelters around the city check on people who are outside on sidewalks etc.

So, they're wasting resources which could be going to help actual homeless folk on this clown? Bad call on their part, IMHO.

Let 'im freeze. Maybe it would give him happy memories of Luke during the first part of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This guy has some mental problems thats for sure. No ones In huge lines demanding to see this. And odds are he'd get a ticket on opening night. These Prequels aren't as good as the 1st 3 movies.

He's doing It for fame. But casting himself as a loser who will sit & camp out to wait on a Movies thats gonna hit 3,000 Theators. The Prof. who sang his praises Is as deluded as he Is.

[Buried Alien]

He's probably giving george lucas hope.
Hope that he can film a dead animal for five hours, and people will line up a month in advance to see it if he puts a lightsaber on it.

Let's not let a discussion of one looney or scam artist (depending on how you see it) turn into another invitation to bash Lucas. That's been overdone to death already.


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[SteelTownr]

So, they're wasting resources which could be going to help actual homeless folk on this clown? Bad call on their part, IMHO.

Let 'im freeze. Maybe it would give him happy memories of Luke during the first part of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

Maybe a Wampa will come along and eat him.

Mark B.

[MacQuarrie]

I was talking with someone at church about this and unfortunately the theater that he is waiting for the movie at is not 100% guaranteed to have the movie. Yes it's Paul Allen's theater (has one of the best sound systems and screens in the city) and Yes, this theater had the last opening where this guy waited with a friend for a hecka long time, but there is no guarantee that this theater will have it.
If I owned the theater, I would make sure to not have it. That would be the funniest thing ever! "Gee, sorry. The Odeon across town has it..."

[mattbib]

No ones In huge lines demanding to see this. And odds are he'd get a ticket on opening night. These Prequels aren't as good as the 1st 3 movies.He'd definitely be able to get tickets for opening night. Tickets will likely go on sale at the box office, if not served by an online service like Fandango, a few days to a week prior to the film opening.

And quality of the film has little to do with lack of crowds these days. Theaters hold so many more people and run so many more screenings of projected blockbuster new releases that it'd almost be impossible to NOT get a ticket.

[Gorthaur]

If headlines had to be honest, this would read "Jackass Needs To Get Real Job."Yep. One more drone who sits at a desk from nine to five and then goes home to watch some tv before going to sleep and repeating the same cycle, certainly never even dreaming of doing something as out of the ordinary as this, is exactly what this world so desperately needs.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Yep. One more drone who sits at a desk from nine to five and then goes home to watch some tv before going to sleep and repeating the same cycle, certainly never even dreaming of doing something as out of the ordinary as this, is exactly what this world so desperately needs.


Dude, it's not like he's climbing everest or curing cancer or building homes for the poor. Not all activities are equal, and not everything that is unconventional is daring and cool and liberating. Some things are rarely done because they don't make sense.

If this is the guy's dream, he needs to not only get a life, he needs to get a better fantasy life, too.

[Boldido]

Just because something is out of the ordinary doesn't mean its good. Shoving a roadflare up the ass of a labrador is out of the ordinary, not good. Pasting naked pictures of Bea Arthur up on every telephone pole in town is out of the ordinary, not good. Jar-Jar Binks is out of the ordinary, definitely not good.

Likewise, ordinary isn't always bad, quite the opposite. The grocery store maintaining the same hours year in and year out is pretty nice.

What this guy is doing is out of the ordinary and it a complete waste of not only his time, but also those of other people for what in essence will be a B-movie with an enormous budget.

Does what this guy is doing take guts? Perhaps, but so does rubbing a cheese grater on your bare ass for fifteen minutes and sitting in a bucket of gin. Neither of these is a particularly smart thing to do.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Jar-Jar Binks is out of the ordinary, definitely not good.


I must say, though, that if this film features Jar-Jar getting beheaded via lightsaber, that will be good.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This guy does have a fantasy life. He believes he's Han Solo and Luke Skywalker , all rolled Into one. Thats why he's out there on the sidewalk waiting ona movie for 4 months.


I remember people who love Rock Bands who camp out at a site for 2 to 3 weeks to get a great front row spot. Thats cool In a lotta ways. You want that ticket closer to stage. This guy wants the 1st Star Wars ticket.

[Gorthaur]

Not all activities are equal, and not everything that is unconventional is daring and cool and liberating.Assuming that we're talking about activities that people engage in for personal enjoyment, I really don't see the difference. What value does any such an activity have except whatever the person gives it? Some things are rarely done because they don't make sense. Again, why does climbing the mount Everest make any more sense? Because more people think it's cool?

[Gorthaur]

Just because something is out of the ordinary doesn't mean its good.Not always, no. But it sure as heck puts a smile on my face most of the time.What this guy is doing is out of the ordinary and it a complete waste of not only his time,I would be interested in knowing how you can objectively say when someone is wasting their time, cause I've managed to live this long thinking that it's a pretty subjective thing. Would reading a book, for example, be a proper use for one's time, or should you be out partying with your friends instead? but also those of other people for what in essence will be a B-movie with an enormous budget. And those people all seem quite happy to let him. Heck, I would.Does what this guy is doing take guts? Perhaps, but so does rubbing a cheese grater on your bare ass for fifteen minutes and sitting in a bucket of gin. Neither of these is a particularly smart thing to do.Obviously not, from your point of view. I tend to think people who go to church or bow towards Mecca every day are silly, too. Doesn't mean that it's not the smart thing to do, for them.

[MacQuarrie]

Yep. One more drone who sits at a desk from nine to five and then goes home to watch some tv before going to sleep and repeating the same cycle, certainly never even dreaming of doing something as out of the ordinary as this, is exactly what this world so desperately needs.
That's a lovely sentiment. Unfortunately, it all falls apart at the point where somebody has to pay for it. Why should anybody else have to provide groceries for an able-bodied guy in the prime of life, fully capable of working for a living, who chooses to sit on his useless ass in front of a movie theater for four months? The idea that the underfunded and stretched-thin homeless programs have to expend their limited resources to provide for this idiot makes me want to puke. If he were my kid, I would disown him.

[MacQuarrie]

I would be interested in knowing how you can objectively say when someone is wasting their time, cause I've managed to live this long thinking that it's a pretty subjective thing. Would reading a book, for example, be a proper use for one's time, or should you be out partying with your friends instead?
Reading a book would be a waste of time if you didn't know where your next meal was coming from. There's this silly idea called having priorities. Work first, then play. It's what grownups do.

[K'Nort]

That's a lovely sentiment. Unfortunately, it all falls apart at the point where somebody has to pay for it.

I doubt anyone would argue that someone else has to pay for it though. If the homeless agencies are really keeping an eye on him, that's very irresponsible. And they'll probably be told to cut it out pretty promptly.

[Gorthaur]

That's a lovely sentiment. Unfortunately, it all falls apart at the point where somebody has to pay for it. Why should anybody else have to provideHas to? Should? Doesn't look to me like he's taking anything people don't freely give.

[Boldido]

Assuming that we're talking about activities that people engage in for personal enjoyment, I really don't see the difference. What value does any such an activity have except whatever the person gives it?Again, why does climbing the mount Everest make any more sense? Because more people think it's cool?

What this guy is doing is costing people money and resources. He is a leech. Lets look at what some people do for personal enjoyment.

MarkB likes football. He likes to go to football games, which employs vendors, ushers, ticket takers, ticket sellers, trainers, coaches, players, beer manuafacturers (they probably benefiit most of all), etc.

JeffreyKramer likes to go to swingers parties which puts money in the pockets of lube manufacturers, condom suppliers, whip and chain manufacturers, etc.

I like to go scuba diving which employs scuba shops, boat captains, hotel employees, etc.

This guy likes to sit on his ass for four months so he can see a movie which starts at the exact same time for him as it will for thousands of other people who will spend that same four months contributing to society and doing something besides leeching off of their friends and others too kind or stupid to kick him off of their property.

[Gorthaur]

What this guy is doing is costing people money and resources. He is a leech.You know, I'd still really like to know what exactly trhis guy is costing to you, or MacQuarrie, or anyone who doesn't want to share their money and resources with him.

I'm not even going to bother answering the part where you basically claim that the validity of an activity is directly proportional to how much it boosts consumerism.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Maybe most of us think this guys a moron. I mean...get a damn life man. Why would ya sit 4 months In front of a movie theator for a movie that most will see at the same damn time!

Its pretty clear this guy has little of a life at this stage. If Star Wars can draw someone to drop things for 4 months and play homeless hermit then you can tell he has little outside his life to do.


I wish as a cosmic joke the Theator doesn't carry the movie eithor. If It was me doing this my parents would kick my ass. Hell I'd kick my own ass for being this dumb!

[Gorthaur]

What makes you so sure that Star Wars is even the point?

One of the things I like most in life is being on a train, going somewhere. Just sitting in the restaurant car, sipping on a drink, reading a paper and looking at the changing scenery. Now, it doesn't matter where I'm going - I often get the feeling even when I don't actually want to be wherever it is I'm heading. I just love that feeling of being in transition, in between places, existing, for a moment, free of the responsibilities of both your destination and point of origin.

I get the feeling that what this guy is doing is something similar.

...But then again, maybe not. Who knows. I still don't see how it could bother anyone that much, though.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

What makes you so sure that Star Wars is even the point?

One of the things I like most in life is being on a train, going somewhere. Just sitting in the restaurant car, sipping on a drink, reading a paper and looking at the changing scenery. Now, it doesn't matter where I'm going - I often get the feeling even when I don't actually want to be wherever it is I'm heading. I just love that feeling of being in transition, in between places, existing, for a moment, free of the responsibilities of both your destination and point of origin.

I get the feeling that what this guy is doing is something similar.

...But then again, maybe not. Who knows. I still don't see how it could bother anyone that much, though.


Ask yourself this: Would you sit and ride the train for 4 months ?


Think carefully. You'd lose your job odds are. How would you pay bills riding the Train , letting your cares slip away ? Some people have responsibilities. Some don't.

This guy doesn't It appears.

[Gorthaur]

Ask yourself this: Would you sit and ride the train for 4 months ? Hah! It would certainly be an experience.
Think carefully. You'd lose your job odds are. How would you pay bills riding the Train , letting your cares slip away ? Some people have responsibilities. Some don't.

This guy doesn't It appears.It appears that he can make ends meet by taking the odd job, selling his work and the like, so it's a moot point. And if he can afford it, then why the heck not.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It appears that he can make ends meet by taking the odd job, selling his work and the like, so it's a moot point. And if he can afford it, then why the heck not.


He'll make masks and odds are make a few bucks sittin on the street. Plus he's gonna use the local businesses bathrooms , friends will bring him food , and he'll get by like that.


Again Its good to know that someone has some responsibilities though. I'm pulling for the Theator to still not have the movie . Whats even wackier Is he's gonna lose his apartment so he can brag to people 30 years down the road:

" I sit on the street to see Anakin turn to the Darkside!"

[Davideaux]

This dude is harmless. Wouldya tell Thoreau to leave Walden and get a job?

[Punchy]

This dude is harmless. Wouldya tell Thoreau to leave Walden and get a job?

HA! Great analogy.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Originally Posted by Davideaux

This dude is harmless. Wouldya tell Thoreau to leave Walden and get a job?

I'm glad Punchy gets the anology. But who Is Thoreau and Walden ? The names escape me at the moment .

[MacQuarrie]

You know, I'd still really like to know what exactly trhis guy is costing to you, or MacQuarrie, or anyone who doesn't want to share their money and resources with him.
Working people pay taxes. Some of their tax money goes to social services agencies. Some of it is given in grant form to non-government charities.

This guy is the recipient of aid from those agencies.

The hotel down the street allows him to take showers there. The hot water, soap, shampoo, laundry service for towels, along with the housekeeping staff's pay to clean the bathroom when he's done, are all added to the hotel's operating expenses, which are paid for by other guests in the form of higher rates.

The guy is a leech. They should let him starve and freeze in his own filth until he catches a clue and gets a job.

[MacQuarrie]

This dude is harmless. Wouldya tell Thoreau to leave Walden and get a job?
Thoreau produced something of value. And he didn't expect the local homeless agency to provide him with groceries while he wrote. See, he wrote. He didn't sit on his ass on a street corner crying out for attention.

If Star Wars guy can make enough off his CafePress site to keep himself clothed and fed, then more power to him. Otherwise, work or starve.

[Boldido]

This dude is harmless. Wouldya tell Thoreau to leave Walden and get a job?

Writing Walden = leeching off others while waiting for a sci-fi movie?!

Put down the crack pipe.

[MacQuarrie]

I'm glad Punchy gets the anology. But who Is Thoreau and Walden ? The names escape me at the moment .
Get thee to a library!

Or as I tell my kids, look it up. It's good for you.

[Boldido]

I'm not even going to bother answering the part where you basically claim that the validity of an activity is directly proportional to how much it boosts consumerism.

Okay, let me pose this to you. What is the value in what he is doing? How is he contributing to society or even to himself by waiting needlessly for four months?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Get thee to a library!

Or as I tell my kids, look it up. It's good for you.


Is Walden the guy who made Wal-Marts ? It makes sense then considering this guy wants to pander to people on the street . And Wal-Mart panders to the public.


You could tell me what he's written. Be easier. Our Library here doesn't have the smartest people to look up books. They didn't know who "John Fienstien" was. Of course I had to tell them , Season on The Brink, Play Ball: A Season In the MLB , til they found me the book I was looking for.

[howyadoin]

"Jeff is not an attention-seeker or a local media hound, he will continue his wait with or without any recognition from the wider world; rather, Jeff is someone who, as odd as it may seem to conventional society, feels deeply motivated by the idea of "waiting" for things of value, and in a consumer driven, materialistic culture he sees as spiritually drained, this is where he's putting his time and energy down as a worthy investment."My God, that is a steaming load of horseshit.

[Michael P]

Is Walden the guy who made Wal-Marts ? It makes sense then considering this guy wants to pander to people on the street . And Wal-Mart panders to the public.
Good God, I hope you're kidding. Suffice it to say, the Walden in question has nothing to do with Sam Walton, founder of Wal-Mart.

[Nate C.]

Is Walden the guy who made Wal-Marts ? It makes sense then considering this guy wants to pander to people on the street . And Wal-Mart panders to the public.


You could tell me what he's written. Be easier. Our Library here doesn't have the smartest people to look up books. They didn't know who "John Fienstien" was. Of course I had to tell them , Season on The Brink, Play Ball: A Season In the MLB , til they found me the book I was looking for.

Thoreou wrote "Walden", and was a student of Emerson, both of the American Transcendentalist movement, two (and Whitman being the third) of the great American poets, from late nineteenth century.

"I went to the woods because I wanted to live deliberately" is much more profound than "I camped out for four months to be first in line at a crass commercial film".

Also, check out "Civil Disobedience"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Michael Pullmann:Good God, I hope you're kidding. Suffice it to say, the Walden in question has nothing to do with Sam Walton, founder of Wal-Mart.


Ha ha ...Its not every day I can make some posters blink. ;)




Thoreou wrote "Walden", and was a student of Emerson, both of the American Transcendentalist movement, two (and Whitman being the third) of the great American poets, from late nineteenth century.

"I went to the woods because I wanted to live deliberately" is much more profound than "I camped out for four months to be first in line at a crass commercial film".

Also, check out "Civil Disobedience"


Cool I'll check em out when I can. I've wrote the names down and will remind myself to take a look at thier works when I can.

[Davideaux]

Thoreau produced something of value. And he didn't expect the local homeless agency to provide him with groceries while he wrote. See, he wrote. He didn't sit on his ass on a street corner crying out for attention.

If Star Wars guy can make enough off his CafePress site to keep himself clothed and fed, then more power to him. Otherwise, work or starve.

Yes Thoreau wrote but the people of his day were calling him a loser just as you are this guy. For all we know this Jeff might be producing something of importance. And even if he isn't, he's not hurting anyone.

[Davideaux]

Writing Walden = leeching off others while waiting for a sci-fi movie?!

Put down the crack pipe.

Maybe you envy this guy's position. Wanna take time off from work but you can't and you're feeling a little envious... :)

Hey people thought Thoreau was wasting his time and talent all by himself in the woods, they didn't know he was writing an American masterpiece.

[howyadoin]

And even if he isn't, he's not hurting anyone.He's wasting the resources of the homeless shelter that sends people out to check on him. Resources that could be used for people who actually need them.

[Davideaux]

He's wasting the resources of the homeless shelter that sends people out to check on him. Resources that could be used for people who actually need them.

Don't many shelters go unfilled? It's not like he's pushing them out of their shelter bed then.

[howyadoin]

Don't many shelters go unfilled? It's not like he's pushing them out of their shelter bed then.That's not what I'm saying at all.

And I don't know about Seattle, but shelters here are often turning people away.

[Gorthaur]

Working people pay taxes. Some of their tax money goes to social services agencies. Some of it is given in grant form to non-government charities.

This guy is the recipient of aid from those agencies.You make it sound as though the guy is living off your tax money, when the only thing that even hinted to that direction was an off-hand comment that homeless shelters might check up on him.

Come on.

The hotel down the street allows him to take showers there.So now you're likening getting donations to leeching off taxpayers? Even private individuals and business owners shouldn't be allowed to use their resources the way they see fit, to sponsor this guy? Nevermind that said businesses are likely to do it because it gets them a bit of publicity at a relatively low cost, benefitting both parties.
Thoreau produced something of value. And he didn't expect the local homeless agency to provide him with groceries while he wrote. See, he wrote. He didn't sit on his ass on a street corner crying out for attention.And this guy is a graphic artist who spends his time on the street, among other things, creating designs. So what's your point?

[Gorthaur]

He's wasting the resources of the homeless shelter that sends people out to check on him. Resources that could be used for people who actually need them.Those people aren't machines, you know. It's not like every bit of energy and time spent an a task automatically comes out of something else. Heck, checking up on the local eccentric might even do the exact opposite, because, you know, people are funny that way - sometimes completely pointless things like a short chat with a stranger will replenish us.

[Boldido]

And this guy is a graphic artist who spends his time on the street, among other things, creating designs. So what's your point?

No way, not the same. Thoreau made his own meals, chopped his own wood, grew his own food and built his own shelter. He took care of himself, not mooched off others.

No one is dogging the guy for creating designs, we are taking issue with him wasting four months of his life for no good reason. For Thoreau, Walden was about the complete simplicity of life and whether he could survive entirely on his own and pare his life down to the absolute essentials and thus learn what nature had to teach. This guy is mooching off of others and planting his ass on an ugly couch for four months so he can be the "first" to see a movie.

You didn't answer the question I posed about what is worthwhile in what this guy is doing. He is waiting to see a movie, which many other people are also waiting to see. They, on the other hand, are doing exactly what he is doing without wasting four months of their lives to do it. They are going to work and going out and contributing to charities and some are knocking over liquor stores and some are working on cures for diseases. Some are beating their wives and others creating beautiful works of art. The difference between all of them and this guy is that they are living, while he is needlessly waiting. There is nothing wrong with waiting, but for him to wait needlessly for that long a period of time shows no respect for the gift of life he was given.

[SMKSPY]

I think I will try to top this guy by getting in line for Spider-man 3 tomorrow...

[Gorthaur]

No way, not the same. Thoreau made his own meals, chopped his own wood, grew his own food and built his own shelter. He took care of himself, not mooched off others.And this guy only mooches off people who either don't mind, or think they can benefit from, being "mooched off" of. Seems to me that it's a symbiotic relationship, rather than a parasitic one.

And since I'm getting kinda tired of repeating this over and over again, I suggest you now jump back and read the previous chapter again for, say, ten or so times.
No one is dogging the guy for creating designs, we are taking issue with him wasting four months of his life for no good reason.Obviously he doesn't see it that way. And, guess what, it's his life.
You didn't answer the question I posed about what is worthwhile in what this guy is doing.Because your question is absurd. What a person considers to be a worthwhile way of passing time is entirely subjective. The difference between all of them and this guy is that they are living, while he is needlessly waiting.You're assuming that he's not getting anything out of the experience of waiting itself. Which seems unlikely, to say the least. There is nothing wrong with waiting, but for him to wait needlessly for that long a period of time shows no respect for the gift of life he was given.In other words, you still fail to understand that people are different. What's "wasting the gift of life" to one person can just as easily be living said life to it's fullest to another.

[SteelTownr]

I think I will try to top this guy by getting in line for Spider-man 3 tomorrow...

Sorry Dude, I'm in line for Hulk 2 and it isn't even a definite yet.

Mark B.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMKSPY
I think I will try to top this guy by getting in line for Spider-man 3 tomorrow... .



Sorry Dude, I'm in line for Hulk 2 and it isn't even a definite yet.

Mark B


Screw that....I'm In line for Deadpool and they haven't even cast It yet!

[MacQuarrie]

.You're assuming that he's not getting anything out of the experience of waiting itself.
We call that masturbation.

[Alex]

Sorry Dude, I'm in line for Hulk 2 and it isn't even a definite yet.

Mark B.
I've been in line for Street Fighter2 for over 10 years.
And they aren't even planing on making one.

[Buried Alien]

I think the guy is a bit silly for doing this myself, but I think the outrage being directed towards him is a bit disproportionate to the actual offense (if you'd even call it that). I don't see any coercion here: just an oddity resulting from the decisions of several willing parties.


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[MacQuarrie]

I think the guy is a bit silly for doing this myself, but I think the outrage being directed towards him is a bit disproportionate to the actual offense (if you'd even call it that). I don't see any coercion here: just an oddity resulting from the decision of several willing parties.


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No outrage. Merely disgust and eye-rolling.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

No outrage. Merely disgust and eye-rolling.


And people laughing and questioning whether he's ever gotten laid.

[Davideaux]

No outrage. Merely disgust and eye-rolling.

You'd disown your son if he disgusted you?

[Boldido]

Because your question is absurd. What a person considers to be a worthwhile way of passing time is entirely subjective.

There is nothing absurd about the question. Even things that are subjective can be described in objective terms. What I consider a beautiful girl and what you consider a beautiful girl is subjective, I am more than capable of giving you objective qualities that I find meet my subjective criteria, however. The fact that you cannot do this to support what leach boy is doing is prima facie evidence of what a complete waste of time this is.

[Boldido]

You'd disown your son if he disgusted you?

Don't twist words, its bad form. Mac said he would disown his son if he used (or rather misuesed) resources meant for the homeless so he could wait in line for four months to be the "first" to see robots and spaceships.

[Gorthaur]

There is nothing absurd about the question. Even things that are subjective can be described in objective terms. What I consider a beautiful girl and what you consider a beautiful girl is subjective,Yeees... I am more than capable of giving you objective qualities that I find meet my subjective criteria, however.I'm sure this is quite true, as well. The fact that you cannot do this to support what leach boy is doing is prima facie evidence of what a complete waste of time this is.Alright, there seems to be a slight misunderstanding here. I'm not actually the guy. That's right, I'm someone else entirely, and as such not privy to his motivations.

So no, you're not going to claim victory just because I'm not pretentious enough to claim that I know what's going on inside the guy's head.

[Gorthaur]

We call that masturbation.Classy.
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[Boldido]

Yeees...I'm sure this is quite true, as well.Alright, there seems to be a slight misunderstanding here. I'm not actually the guy. That's right, I'm someone else entirely, and as such not privy to his motivations.

So no, you're not going to claim victory just because I'm not pretentious enough to claim that I know what's going on inside the guy's head.
You seem to believe that there is something admirable in what this guy is doing. There is nothing pretentious about saying what YOU find that to be.

Edit: BTW, its not about claiming victory Gorthaur, this is a discussion, nothing more.

[SteelTownr]

I've been in line for Street Fighter2 for over 10 years.
And they aren't even planing on making one.

You and Supe are F*cking Hardcore!

Mark B.

[MacQuarrie]

Classy.
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And accurate.

Sofa boy is engaging in the societal equivalent. It serves no purpose, benefits nobody, and serves only to satisfy his own urge. Nothing to be ashamed of, but nothing to be particularly proud of either, and not the sort of thing one generally wants announced in the press.

[MacQuarrie]

So no, you're not going to claim victory just because I'm not pretentious enough to claim that I know what's going on inside the guy's head.
And yet you claim to know that something is in fact going on in his head. You ascribe all sorts of spiritual and artistic motivations to him and scold the rest of us for being too blind to grasp the incredible significance of what he's doing.

In what meaningful way is he any different from the guys loitering in front of the liquor store on the next block?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm gonna annouce to the Press that until I win PowerBall Lotto , I will sit on my ass In front of the local store. I will not stop til I have won. People I also take donations, food, and the occasional free showers.

[SteelTownr]

I also take donations, food, and the occasional free showers.

So people should come by and whiz on you?

Mark B.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So people should come by and whiz on you?

Mark B.


Yes as long as they toss spare change In my general direction and bring me food. Again I don't do this to be someone In the media. I do this because I want the PowerBall Jackpot people.

[Buried Alien]

It's over. (http://www.swsaga.com/e3news.html#jan05-10)


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[SteelTownr]

It's over. (http://www.swsaga.com/e3news.html#jan05-10)


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OK, who called?

Mark B.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

OK, who called?

Mark B.


Sweet jesus christ. He's acting like they took away he rights. He set out there for 4 months and half on a movie that doesn't open til May 19th. I'd love to have his money to goof off like that.


I'm thinking someone who works at a restraunt or theator called because they got tired of seeing the guy camp out there.

[Boldido]

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would revive this one. Apparently Star Wars fans who are waiting in line won't take no for an answer.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=790&e=1&u=/ap/20050406/ap_en_mo/star_wars_geeks

Despite being told that Grauman's Chinese Theater won't be showing Episode III, a group insists on waiting there. I suppose they think the theater is trying to dupe them somehow.

[Buried Alien]

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would revive this one. Apparently Star Wars fans who are waiting in line won't take no for an answer.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=790&e=1&u=/ap/20050406/ap_en_mo/star_wars_geeks

Despite being told that Grauman's Chinese Theater won't be showing Episode III, a group insists on waiting there. I suppose they think the theater is trying to dupe them somehow.

Want to bet that some of these guys are the same yokels that post at the ROTS Spoiler Forum at TheForce.net? :D

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