View Full Version : so how many people cant wait to get Hawk and Dove?
By Rob Liefield too, I see DC has spared no expense. It is an injustice that this hasnt sold out faster! :tongue:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9672
Icefalcon
09-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Was hugely interested until I discovered it was Liefeld and after that it lost all interest for me
DarkKnghtJared
09-02-2011, 11:03 PM
Well, the book's one of them that's been sold out, so either they ordered REALLY low printing for it, or there are a lot of people and they just don't admit it on message boards.
The preview, writing-wise, doesn't look too bad, kinda interesting to see Don being not as peaceful in his past, but the art just kills any interest for me.
batmanjones
09-02-2011, 11:14 PM
I'm fond of Sterling Gates and I love Hawk and Dove. I'm also pleased about the Dove/Deadman relationship which is so bizarre. The idea of Dove having some connection to Don Hall is super intriguing. I'm very put off by Liefield's art and I thought I wouldn't get this book but I think I'm going to suffer the art for the story. After all, I did it with the Morrison/Porter JLA. I'm as turned off by Porter as I am by Liefield.
zurenarrh
09-03-2011, 12:32 AM
Liefeld's art kills it for me too. Go look at Infinite #1, just awful stuff.
Cavemold
09-03-2011, 12:38 AM
im glad such a left field title can be so sucessfull. I have no intrest in the hawk or dove . Im glad theres a fan base for them. I think the 90s style is cool but agian no intrest in hawk or dove , or swan. I want to know how many were printed?? At least we can say now dc 52 was sucess for now.
Arnold Layne
09-03-2011, 01:01 AM
This book couldn't possibly be any worse than Justice League 1. It couldn't possibly...
krammocon
09-03-2011, 02:41 AM
It's funny how this thread's title is "How Many People Can't Wait to Get Hawk and Dove?" and those who aren't even getting it are the ones who kept on posting. O_o
sethysquare
09-03-2011, 03:38 AM
This book couldn't possibly be any worse than Justice League 1. It couldn't possibly...
I don't think Justice League 1 as bad as you made it sound. angry much?
Also, I'll get it in trade. Just dont have that much spare cash
Comet Man
09-03-2011, 04:59 AM
I'm looking forward to getting Hawk and Dove next week!
Yttrium
09-03-2011, 05:25 AM
It's going to be a great first week! Justice League International, Batgirl, and Hawk & Dove are all titles that are all high on my list for the new 52. Apparently lots of other people think the same, since all three of those have sold out.
Rakzo
09-03-2011, 05:42 AM
Yeah i'm actually excited for Hawk & Dove, Liefeld's art looks fine to me and Sterling Gates looks like is making a great plot for these characters.
It's funny how this thread's title is "How Many People Can't Wait to Get Hawk and Dove?" and those who aren't even getting it are the ones who kept on posting. O_o
Probably because the people that are buying it don't usually post in message boards and forum fanboys usually like to tell everybody what they hate.
As usual, no offense guys, love you all.
Bone2pick
09-03-2011, 06:11 AM
I'm picking this up, not sure what to expect from the characters but I'm hoping for the best.
Chris Beveridge
09-03-2011, 06:15 AM
I'm still waffling on whether to get it same day digital or wait a month. H&D was a miniseries I read way, way back in the day and really liked since Liefeld was unknown then and had a pretty striking style compared to other books on the shelf at the time. The follow-up stuff was fun and I disliked how the two characters got reworked over the years in the Events that followed. Getting back to some of the basics in Brightest Day definitely made me glad, and this book looks like it could be fun. But it may be same-day for the first and +1 after that.
Chuckles
09-03-2011, 06:36 AM
My tastes are inconsistent when it comes to Liefeld. I didn't like the preview pages from Infinite #1 at all, but those from Hawk & Dove look all right to me.
I'll be picking this up. Sterling Gates is a great writer working on characters that I like. Plus, I don't mind Rob Liefeld's artwork when he doesn't just go wild with things.
The Man From Room X
09-03-2011, 07:47 AM
I'll give Hawk & Dove a fair chance, but i don't have a lot of hope for Liefeld. Atleast he can draw something resembling feet now.
AdamYJ
09-03-2011, 07:53 AM
I'm looking forward to it. My comic collecting days started with me fishing copies of Hawk and Dove and Blue Beetle from the '80s out of a bin at a used book store. So, it'll be nice to see a Hawk and Dove book out again.
Bone2pick
09-03-2011, 08:05 AM
I was just looking over some preview pages from this book and I gotta say, while I'm not in love with all of Rob's art, I really like the Deadman stuff I'm seeing from him. Wish I had some pics to link for you guys.
Blazen
09-03-2011, 08:28 AM
I don't think Liefeld's art is that bad in this comic. Besides, he's drawn them before.
Also, for those interested, or keeping track. Mystery Woman is on the top left of preview page 3.
Nevets F
09-03-2011, 08:47 AM
I can't wait for it...should be great.
I'll give Hawk & Dove a fair chance, but i don't have a lot of hope for Liefeld. Atleast he can draw something resembling feet now.
I've noticed that. lol
Can anybody answer me why don't they use the female Hawk?
Yttrium
09-03-2011, 10:22 AM
Can anybody answer me why don't they use the female Hawk?
They killed her off in Blackest Night to clear the way for resurrecting Hank.
They killed her off in Blackest Night to clear the way for resurrecting Hank.
Yeah, but that was the DCoU this is the reboot. I thought things didn't exactly correspond to the old universe.
Yttrium
09-03-2011, 10:25 AM
Yeah, but that was the DCoU this is the reboot. I thought things didn't exactly correspond to the old universe.
They're keeping Hawk and Dove pretty much the same. Dove's even still got the same relationship to Deadman that formed in Brightest Day.
El Sombrero
09-03-2011, 10:27 AM
Honestly Liefeld is the only appeal of this book to me. Even though I think his art sucks on a technical level I think it's fun to look at. But I read the preview and I'm like, I just can't get into this. I think Hawk and Dove are extremely lame characters and Sterling Gates' writing didn't do anything for me.
Dustin Neal
09-03-2011, 10:45 AM
This book couldn't possibly be any worse than Justice League 1. It couldn't possibly...
Wow. We sure are a tough crowd to please. It wasn't that bad. Actually, I liked it.
SJNeal
09-03-2011, 10:49 AM
I love the characters, and am really looking forward to it. Sure, Liefeld's not the best, but he's not the worst either. Gates has always been solid.
Honestly Liefeld is the only appeal of this book to me. Even though I think his art sucks on a technical level I think it's fun to look at. But I read the preview and I'm like, I just can't get into this. I think Hawk and Dove are extremely lame characters and Sterling Gates' writing didn't do anything for me.
Liefield is the only appeal and his artwork is fun to look at :confused:
Not a very strong endorsement.
I love the characters, and am really looking forward to it. Sure, Liefeld's not the best, but he's not the worst either. Gates has always been solid.
Who be the worst? Ms. Liefield got into comics for awhile there?
AndroidAR
09-03-2011, 02:45 PM
I'm thinking about getting this solely because of Liefeld. Not really a fan of his art, I'm more of an "ironic" fan, who wants to get it because Liefeld's style isn't stellar. (Definitely better than his 90's work, as said, he can draw feet now, and eyes too!) Plus I need some Liefeld for my meager collection. I might try to find old copies of Youngblood so I go into this with higher expectations.
As for the characters, I have never read a single issue of any volume, but I do know a little about them. I might make a review of this since I am going into this comic (partially) blind.
Flash Gordon
09-03-2011, 02:53 PM
I'm very put off by Liefield's art and I thought I wouldn't get this book but I think I'm going to suffer the art for the story.
Exactly the same with this guy. I love Sterling Gates, and I'd follow him on any project. He's going to be huge one day, just watch.
Gabe De Los Muertos
09-03-2011, 03:32 PM
Not buying this book because I'm not a big of fan of Hawk or Dove. But I just wanted to say that a artist is never the deciding factor in me buying a book. I can always look past bad art. Not bad writing.
Rasputin9977
09-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Well, the book's one of them that's been sold out, so either they ordered REALLY low printing for it, or there are a lot of people and they just don't admit it on message boards.
The preview, writing-wise, doesn't look too bad, kinda interesting to see Don being not as peaceful in his past, but the art just kills any interest for me.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/02/hawk-and-dove-1-jli-1-and-batman-and-robin-1-sell-out/
According to Bleeding Cool, they had significant overprints for Hawk and Dove and it still sold out. Slap Liefeld's name on a book and it'll sell out because the man is a good artist.
Disrupter
09-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Y'know, as most users on this board I am not a fan of Liefeld. However, on the first preview page, on the bottom right next to last panel where it's just Hank in his mask looking pissed...that looks pretty damn good to me.
Other than that it's meh, but I still may give it a shot eventually.
That closeup up Deadman was atrocious though.
AndroidAR
09-03-2011, 05:11 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/02/hawk-and-dove-1-jli-1-and-batman-and-robin-1-sell-out/
According to Bleeding Cool, they had significant overprints for Hawk and Dove and it still sold out. Slap Liefeld's name on a book and it'll sell out because the man is a good artist.
Actually, I think people buy his work nowadays not because his art is good, but because it's infamously mediocre and lulzy. At least, that's the reason I'm buying this. If the art had his 90's hallmarks like Youngblood's disease and things-that-are-supposed-to-be-feet (and pouches), I'd actually want to buy it more, at least it'd be good for a laugh.
doordoor123
09-03-2011, 05:21 PM
Im sorry but Dove is one of my favorite characters. I never liked her under his pen and I still don't. The way he draws her is disgusting and kind of disrespectful to the Dove she has come so far to be. Its not the same Dawn as he once knew and he draws her just like he used to. I spit on his version of her.
Nevets F
09-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Actually, I think people buy his work nowadays not because his art is good, but because it's infamously mediocre and lulzy. At least, that's the reason I'm buying this. If the art had his 90's hallmarks like Youngblood's disease and things-that-are-supposed-to-be-feet (and pouches), I'd actually want to buy it more, at least it'd be good for a laugh.
I'm buying it because his art is fun. It's a hell of a lot better than some artists people on CBR drool over, like Bachalo and Ramos.
El Sombrero
09-03-2011, 06:52 PM
I'm buying it because his art is fun. It's a hell of a lot better than some artists people on CBR drool over, like Bachalo and Ramos.
Bachalo and Ramos are my favorite artists at Marvel...you're crazy. :eek:
They are both super awesome. I would be ecstatic if DC signed either one.
Yttrium
09-03-2011, 07:04 PM
The only Marvel artist I know of who I really like is Alan Davis. I'm not familiar with Bachalo and Ramos, but they haven't caught my interest. Meanwhile, I can rattle off a number of DC artists who I really like.
And yes, I like Liefeld's art, as long as he's not excessively overdoing the pouches and shoulder pads.
Well, the book's one of them that's been sold out, so either they ordered REALLY low printing for it, or there are a lot of people and they just don't admit it on message boards.
Issue 3 or 4 will be closer to what the real numbers are, once you get past the auto-collectors who order multiple #1's in some vain hope that 1995 will come again.
Vic Vega
09-03-2011, 07:44 PM
The preview looked ok. I was expecting a train wreck.
That said, it should be manditory that Liefield work with an inker.
He is tolerable to decent when he has a inker.
Arnold Layne
09-03-2011, 08:26 PM
I don't think Justice League 1 as bad as you made it sound. angry much?
Also, I'll get it in trade. Just dont have that much spare cash
I realize my original post was just dripping with rage.
It's not anything I'm losing sleep over, but yeah, I thought it was awful.
Hawk and Dove have always been on my list of characters I enjoyed; their episode in Blackest Night was both horrifying, with Holly's death, and yet fun, since Dawn was a "Life-bullet" shot at the Anti-Monitor. I loved them both in Brightest Day too.
I listened to a podcast where Sterling Gates talked about it, and he seemed genuinely thrilled to be working with Liefeld, with whom I have no beef (even if his art seems amateurish). He also gave some hints to a large cosmic threat and an expansion on the idea of the Lords of Chaos and Order.
This alone would have made me buy the book, even if I hadn't heard of the characters. Expanding the mythos of the DC magical universe? Yes please!
Toreador
09-03-2011, 09:56 PM
Not a fan of Liefield but I like the characters Hawk & Dove so I'll give the series a shot.
matt_hatyber
09-03-2011, 10:07 PM
I get really sick of people being so down on Liefeld. Yes his anatomy isn't that great, but very few comic artist have great anatomy. His art is more kinetic than almost all artist out there if you ask me. The man gets action. I can't wait for Hawk and Dove
Flash Gordon
09-03-2011, 10:42 PM
The man gets action.
As long as the 'action' doesn't involve feet...
SJNeal
09-04-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm buying it because his art is fun. It's a hell of a lot better than some artists people on CBR drool over, like Bachalo and Ramos.
I didn't wanna mention names, so thanks for doing it for me. :wink:
I'd rather look at Liefeld's disproportionate figures than the muddy, sloppy pages of Bachalo or Ramos. Who want's to study each page with a magnifying glass just to see what the hell is going on?
Rasputin9977
09-04-2011, 02:12 PM
As long as the 'action' doesn't involve feet...
Whats wrong with a little foot fetish?
As long as the 'action' doesn't involve feet...
Well played, clerk
Bone2pick
09-04-2011, 04:27 PM
What kind of power levels does Hawk have? He looks pretty brutish, which is cool, almost like a semi brick brawler kind of warrior. I read he has superior strength but I’m looking for more specifics, like can he lift a car? Is there another superhero he’s comparable to in terms of power? Also where are his combat training and skill levels at?
Yttrium
09-04-2011, 05:31 PM
What kind of power levels does Hawk have? He looks pretty brutish, which is cool, almost like a semi brick brawler kind of warrior. I read he has superior strength but I’m looking for more specifics, like can he lift a car? Is there another superhero he’s comparable to in terms of power? Also where are his combat training and skill levels at?
Hawk's strength is not all that consistent, but I think he's around Spider-Man's level. He can bend metal in his hands, and tear through metal with his claws. He can also regenerate damage fairly quickly, along with being pretty tough. He struggled against Mammoth, but would have a good time fighting Bane or Killer Croc.
He's fond of weapons, and is moderately skilled with just about any weapon he can grab.
Babylon23
09-04-2011, 06:20 PM
I wouldn't say that I "can't wait" for the new series, but I have to admit I'm intrigued. I wasn't planning on picking the series up as I'm not a Liefeld fan but I've read an interview or two with Gates and what he's putting togther does sound kind of interesting. I'll check it out in-store and decide from there.
I'm impressed that the series has sold out and is going to a second printing. Clearly Liefeld's artwork attracts more readers than the messageboards would have you think.
bongoes
09-04-2011, 10:04 PM
I like Hawk and Dove enough, I really want to read more by Sterling Gates, his Supergirl was great. But I can't support a Liefeld book. I don't even have a problem with the way he draws feet. It's his panel composition, proportions, anatomy and the level of unnecessary detail he puts into his work. Detail that is almost always wrong. As in, "there couldn't possibly be a shadow there" type of wrong. I can understand buying for an ironic or nostalgic reason, but otherwise, I don't get it.
Unless he's inked by the amazingly talented Karl Kessel.
http://politedissent.com/images/jun05/hd1end.jpg
He makes Liefeld downright tolerable.
I'm buying it because his art is fun. It's a hell of a lot better than some artists people on CBR drool over, like Bachalo and Ramos.
You don't like Bachalo? :eek: I didn't know it was possible to not like Bachalo.
DrFever
09-05-2011, 04:02 AM
Hawk & Dove might have just made my #52 on the want list if I made one out for all the first issues. I just can't get into the characters. I'm even an old school X-Force & Youngblood fan, so it's not Rob's art that sends me running.
mimic_616
09-05-2011, 05:30 AM
Not me.....they just make me, I don't know, cringe?
pariah-1972
09-05-2011, 07:42 AM
The only thing that bothers me about his art is the cross-hatching/over rendering and only using one or two facial expressions ever.
those are the things to make that make it look ugly and not worth reading.
I don't care too much about anatomy and i really don't care about feet.
Dustin Neal
09-05-2011, 07:47 AM
The only reason I am not getting H&D right away is due to an already overcrowded pull list.
Piratelion
09-05-2011, 10:23 AM
If i find a copy (i go to the CBS on saturday) i will buy it, if not then no loss. I will try to get all of the soldout books in print if i find them.
BrooklynVentrue
09-05-2011, 01:39 PM
I'm going to give it a try. Despite all of his problems, there is still something about Liefeld's art that makes me feel like a giddy kid again.
Hope it's good...
janthonyh
09-05-2011, 02:45 PM
I'm really excited for Hawk and Dove. There are only a few books I"m getting strictly for the art. Red Hood, Batwoman, and Hawk & Dove I have mild interest in any of these characters, and the writers are not in my list of faves. But soley on art, I'll pick these up.
Bone2pick
09-05-2011, 05:23 PM
I’ve become interested in Hawk and Dove as recently as a week ago, and in typical me fashion, that means I obsessed over them. I hit the net up for information on them, reread Brightest Day, I even watched a JL cartoon on Youtube featuring them (but it was the brother version of them). And I gotta say, I really like these characters. More appropriately, I like the storytelling possibility with these characters. And I’m talking about where they are presently in the DCnU. Here’s some stuff about them I love.
1. They are polarizing as War and Peace. Think of the potential that has. That means a different approach to everything, how they scout, how they negotiate, how they battle, they’re concept of success versus failure. They can battle conviction against compassion. Here’s the beauty of that, the enemies they face will have a completely different result if Hawk gets to them first rather than Dove. Where Dove disarms the thug and neutralizes them, Hawk breaks his arm and tosses him through a door.
2. Dove is replacing Hawk’s dead brother. That’s freakn fantastic story potential. Those are incredibly big and awkward shoes for Dove to fill, and in some ways she never will. The two of them must work together because from my understanding Hawk is compelled to protect Dove (magically?) but mentally he probably holds a grudge that an “inferior” Dove is joined with him.
3. A male superhero and a female superhero have a plutonic partnership! And this isn’t some temporary partnership that we’re use to seeing, this is a duo built for the long haul. So it will be interesting seeing these two go through physical and emotional struggles together, all the while Dove will be in a relationship with Deadman.
There’s actually more to it but the above is good enough for this thread. Honestly I see a ton of potential for these two characters, I’m really looking forward to this series.
Yttrium
09-05-2011, 05:38 PM
2. Dove is replacing Hawk’s dead brother. That’s freakn fantastic story potential. Those are incredibly big and awkward shoes for Dove to fill, and in some ways she never will. The two of them must work together because from my understanding Hawk is compelled to protect Dove (magically?) but mentally he probably holds a grudge that an “inferior” Dove is joined with him.
The interesting thing about that is that Dawn is a far more effective partner for Hank than Don ever was. Hank and Don never really got along in their hero identities because Don was a complete pacifist. Don was always agonizing over violence. Dawn doesn't hesitate to clobber bad guys, although she'll try to do it in the least violent manner available. Don frequently lectured Hank about the evils of violence, while Dawn simply tries to get Hank to reduce the destruction a bit.
But Don was Hank's brother, and he still feels cheated that Don was taken from him. (And wasn't resurrected, like Hank was.)
Zero Hunter
09-05-2011, 07:56 PM
I just hope that they bring back Kestral. I always loved that character and with it being able to jump from body to body always made a cool visual with it having either a male or female host.
Whats said is I think 75% of the Liefeld hate is just people getting swept up in it. It became the "correct" thing for comic fans to do in hating the guy. I can think of ALOT of artist that have just as many bad quircks as Liefelds "foot" thing, but they all seem to get a pass or even get praised as the best in the bussiness. It a very "herd mentality" thing to see.
Imitorar
09-05-2011, 08:26 PM
The interesting thing about that is that Dawn is a far more effective partner for Hank than Don ever was. Hank and Don never really got along in their hero identities because Don was a complete pacifist. Don was always agonizing over violence. Dawn doesn't hesitate to clobber bad guys, although she'll try to do it in the least violent manner available. Don frequently lectured Hank about the evils of violence, while Dawn simply tries to get Hank to reduce the destruction a bit.
But Don was Hank's brother, and he still feels cheated that Don was taken from him. (And wasn't resurrected, like Hank was.)
I think that's more a reflection of how the original Hawk & Dove series was written. There was apparently a lot of editorial meddling (http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/439/). The episode of Justice League Unlimited that starred them was much better than their series, and showed how the Hawk and Dove concept could work well with brothers, as opposed to a man and a woman unrelated to each other.
That said, I do think that Dawn having taken Don's place makes for a much more interesting relationship between Hawk and Dove, as well as her being female. And a lot of the elements Bone2pick said he was interested in seem to be things that the new series plans on addressing, so that's good. Those are things that interest me about Hawk and Dove also.
Dustin Neal
09-06-2011, 04:37 PM
I doubt I get it because of the art...
http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/liefeldgirl1.gif
There you go.
Oh, and...
http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/liefeldgirl2.gif
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3827/cable2as9.jpg
http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/liefeld%20008.jpg
carterhall1986
09-07-2011, 03:02 PM
Anybody know where we can download, the new issue?
Armando
09-07-2011, 08:14 PM
I am giving all 52 of the DCnU books a chance. Taking it issue by issue. I gave Hawk & Dove a shot and I found nothing enjoyable about it at all.
I knew nothing of the characters and nothing in this book made me want to find out more. Hawk's anger issues came off stiff and cliched. The dialogue felt robotic. The art? Not for me.
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