Ultimate Fallout #6 Review

[Wolverine12]

So this week we come to a close on 6 straight weeks of Ultimate Comics dealing with the aftermath of Peter Parkers death as well as setting up the future of the rest of the Ultimate Universe. It's been a fun ride and we've seen a lot of new and interesting ideas and this issue continues that trend. On to the spoilers....


May and Gwen
-The first story we see is about May and Gwen dealing with the crazy media that has been hounding them since Peter died
-First shot is of Aunt May laying in bed wearing what appears to be a old Shang Chi outfit clutching Peter's costume, it's actually really emotional
-Gwen has changed her apperance (cut her hair short and died it black, totally stealing Jean Grey's idea :biggrin:) she suggests that Aunt May should change her look too
-They talk about leaving Queens and Aunt May reveals that Tony Stark will send them anywhere they want to go.
-They decide on France, Aunt May has some hesitation about accepting a free handout, but Gwen uses the "it's what Peter would want" argument to win her over
-Stark gives them a villa on the French Riviera. It would appear this move will be permanent, not just a visit

Kitty, Bobby and Johnny

-Shot of the three of them walking around in a sewer, it's extremely obvious where they are going
-Bobby and Johnny keep bugging Kitty to tell them where she is taking them, but she's being annoyingly aloof
-Bobby figures it out but won't tell Johnny, also annoying
-Big shock they are going to hide in the Morlock tunnels!! (Not shocking)
-Apparently Kurt had the "key" to unlock the door to the Morlock tunnels and it was one of the items they kept after burying him.

Nick Fury

Part 1
-Starts off with a shot of a desk jockey typing something, Fury walks in and tells him that "he's ready"
-Some chit chat about how calm things are
-Fury drops the bomb that Cap has quit

Part 2
-MJ is crying over her computer, we see a bunch of envelopes addressed to major news outlets and what appears to be a finished copy of "How the World Killed Spider-Man"
-A Helicopter buzzes her window and Fury is now standing in her room, he just want to talk "face to face"
-He tells MJ that Gwen and May are moving, hinting that maybe she should go too
-He tells MJ that he "loved" Peter and then tells her about how he met Pete when he was baby, how excited he was when Pete got Powers and how he should've slowed down the world so a guy like Pete could grow up to be the man he should've been.
-He tells MJ that she is right to blame him for Peter's death and then cries



Earlier in this post I said we got some new and interesting idea's, I didn't say they were good ideas. This to me was by far the weakest of all the issues.
Bendis's writing on the Gwen/May part I felt was a bit out of character. It sounds like they are trying to run away from there problems, which is understandable given the situation, but neither of these two have ever been one to back down. If I look for reasons for them to leave I can find them, neither of them have any family anymore and their Nephew/Son/BF/BFF just died on their doorstep. Maybe I just don't want Gwen and May to go away and that's why I dislike the story, it just feels like they're getting swept under the rug. Still I felt it could've been a better story.

I'm also assuming that Bendis wrote the second part of the Nick Fury story and if he did I don't know where he is going. Since when has Nick Fury ever cried about anything? He loses men on a daily basis that he works with much closer than he ever did with Pete. Maybe it's because Pete was so young that it hit him so hard but honestly it felt extremely forced. As much foresight as Fury has there is no way he could've predicted Spidey jumping in front of a bullet. It was just akward to see Fury open up to a 16 year old girl like that, that's right MJ is 16 and Fury is there to explain himself to her. I get that it was supposed to be a touching moment and all, but it just didn't make sense. Maybe later we'll see it was just Fury playing MJ so she wouldn't send her story to the media and that would make more sense.

Nick Spencer's part in this issue was probably the most boring. I understand that we need to see where the new base is and it has to be shown at some point but using the Morlock tunnels is probably the least imaginitive place to put them. The whole Kitty being secretive about where they were going while they were in a sewer was just annoying and as a reader the second I saw them in a sewer I knew were they where heading. It bothers me that I didn't like this story so much, because the last issue was just 2 ladies talking at a table and Spencer made that very interesting to me (Clayton Craine definitely helped though). There was some more contrived story about how they couldn't get where they were going if it wasn't for Nightcrawlers key. I'm betting that this was just a "it had to be told at some point" story and now that it's out of the way we'll get back to some interesting stuff in the X part of the Ultimate U.

Hickman's Fury story was nothing special. It wasn't bad but it was so short that it didn't do anything other than tell us that Cap quit. We knew this was coming so no shock there.

As for the art in these issues it ranged from fair to good. Bagley wasn't at his best but it still had that classic Ult Spidey look to it, and I enjoy that. The art on the X-Men part was ok, it was once again too bright for the story and all three looked a way too young, they looked like 13 year olds at most (yes I picked 13 on purpose :tongue:). The art on the Fury story was sufficient, nothing spectacular but it got the job done.

As for the stories, this was just an endcap to what was started in Fallout number 1 and it is a good jumping point to the new #1's. I'm going to say after all 6 issues that I am very interested to see where all of this is going. Hopefully we're done with set up since we've had 6 straight weeks of that but I am definitely excited to move forward. They all have a good feel about them and seem to fit in with the current UU.

Ratings

Writing
7/10
Art
7/10
Story (just issue 6)
7/10
Story (Overall for all 6 issues)
9/10

Overall rating for the entire fallout series
8.5/10

[CMBMOOL]

Or maybe DEEP DEEP DEEP DOWN within his heart, Nick Fury did actually cared about Peter Parker. :redface:

[Russ840]

Or maybe DEEP DEEP DEEP DOWN within his heart, Nick Fury did actually cared about Peter Parker. :redface:

i agree with this sentiment.

[DoctorOak]

I think the point of Fury's story is that between the build-up of stress and the presumed genuine sadness he felt for Peter's death, he let a crack form in his otherwise perfectly cool facade.

I think it was a good note to end the series on, even if it was a bit forced.

I don't even understand Gwen and Aunt May's part of the story - since we know they're meant to be part of Miles' story, to begin with at least. Their moving to France cannot be the last we'll see of these two.

[Samorai_black]

I thought that this was the weakest issue. It was not bad by any means it just felt like a nice slow ride into the relaunch.

Bendis and Bagely- I didnt really care for this part of the story, I am happy that Gwen and May are getting away from it all. To me the most powerful moment in this book came from Nick Fury and MJ's talk and even more so by the last page of this issue. Bagely's art was great. The first page with May and the final page with Fury were beautiful and at the same time very simple. Im not liking Gwens new looks though.

Spencer and Nguyen- My favourite part of the book. I dont know about anyone else but as soon as I seem them in the sewer I already knew what was about to happen. Kitty, Johnny and Bobby are now calling the Morlock tunnles home. I loved the art in this one as well but Johnny's design bothered me. The detail of the swers got better and better each panel. I would like to see Eric Nguyen do a few issues with these characters again.

Hickman and M. Breitweiser- This story was quick and for me flet like it went right down to business. "Things" are in order and Cap is done. The art was really good in capturing the mood of the room and what is happening to S.H.I.E.L.D. Fury seems like he is even running out of ideas which is something I would have never thought possible.

Overall I liked it, but it felt like it was way to quick of a read. Everything seems to be set in place to start with the relaunch. Characters have changed, the world has changed its really a new ultimate universe and I cant wait for it to start.

[Ryder]

I know I sound like a bit of a broken record but Spider-Woman didn't get so much as a mention? I mean Aunt May, Gwen, and MJ moving to France is a huge deal, that means everyone she remebers being family and friends is either dead, in hiding, or no longer in the country.

[Joseph C.]

I think the reason why I have been disappointed by Fallout is mostly because it's not the big epic I thought i twas gonna be. The covers gave this image that some big s**t was gonna go down between the heroes after Peter's death, but it's been all set up by a few big characters and the introduction of Miles. That's what it felt like to me. Also, it feels almost criminal how Spider-Woman has been left out of everything the past year.

[OrpheusTelos]

Ehh about Fury, Although crying may have gone overboard, at the same time Pete was the one person in the entire Ultimate Universe that Fury had a soft spot for. So in that sense, yeah I think it's understandable for Fury to get emotional over Peter's death over the death of a regular soldier.

[Kurolegacy]

With Aunt May and Gwen moving to France, does it at all feel kinda like Bendis is basically clearing the board of Peter's supporting cast to make room for Miles'? I mean I can understand them wanting to get away from it all by laying low somewhere else for a while but this is literally them moving away. Given that, I can really only see them realistically making cameos at best rather than really being anything too important. It just kinda feels a bit like Bendis is wiping away the traces of Peter's run as Spider-Man minus the fact that he had been Spider-Man before Miles.

[robcastor729]

With Aunt May and Gwen moving to France, does it at all feel kinda like Bendis is basically clearing the board of Peter's supporting cast to make room for Miles'? I mean I can understand them wanting to get away from it all by laying low somewhere else for a while but this is literally them moving away. Given that, I can really only see them realistically making cameos at best rather than really being anything too important. It just kinda feels a bit like Bendis is wiping away the traces of Peter's run as Spider-Man minus the fact that he had been Spider-Man before Miles.

Or Bendis is building for the shock of them finding out that someone is wear a "Spider-Man Outfit". They hear the news while in there new home:biggrin:

[Kurolegacy]

Or Bendis is building for the shock of them finding out that someone is wear a "Spider-Man Outfit". They hear the news while in there new home:biggrin:Yea but then what're they gonna do? It's not really like Johnny where they can just come back on the drop of a hat and join the new cast.

[robcastor729]

Yea but then what're they gonna do? It's not really like Johnny where they can just come back on the drop of a hat and join the new cast.

Aunt May finds out and try's to find out who it is to tell his parents. Gwen Stacy freaks out and turns back into Carnage :biggrin:

[kitonok]

Yea but then what're they gonna do? It's not really like Johnny where they can just come back on the drop of a hat and join the new cast.
to your title try Spectazing )))

[Skaddix]

Ehh about Fury, Although crying may have gone overboard, at the same time Pete was the one person in the entire Ultimate Universe that Fury had a soft spot for. So in that sense, yeah I think it's understandable for Fury to get emotional over Peter's death over the death of a regular soldier.

Nah Fury has a soft spot for a few characters. He also had a soft spot for Hawkeye's family.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Yea but then what're they gonna do? It's not really like Johnny where they can just come back on the drop of a hat and join the new cast.

Well we already know that they're showing up within the first four issues. I don't expect either of them to just leave Miles alone.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Nah Fury has a soft spot for a few characters. He also had a soft spot for Hawkeye's family.

Wasn't he the godfather of Clint's kids?

[Plawsky]

Like the last issue - nothing amazing. It was all well done; solid setup, good dialogue, interesting ideas, but it was just kind of a bland issue that didn't accomplish a whole lot. I especially didn't care for Fury's speech to MJ. I believe that he really did care for Peter, but this was too much for me. Even if Peter's death would bring him to tears, I think he would wait until he was alone to show it. He should have just told MJ she was right, then gone off to be alone or something.

And while I get that the main point of this issue was to see how the Spidey gang was doing, Bendis used too much space. The most interesting parts of the issues only took up 7 pages. I love the revelation that they're using the Morlock Tunnels (even though I figured it out on the first page in the sewers...I'm so smart :biggrin:), and the Nick Fury scene was great - but they were both so short.

The other big letdown in the issue was Mark Bagley. His art was awesome on Death of Spider-man, but he was not his usual self here. I think some of that has to do with the absence of the amazing Justin Ponsor, which is unfortunate. The final page with Fury was great, though (even though I wasn't a huge fan story-wise). On the other hand Eric Nguyen's section was solid, and Mitch Breitweiser is fantastic.


I think the reason why I have been disappointed by Fallout is mostly because it's not the big epic I thought i twas gonna be. The covers gave this image that some big s**t was gonna go down between the heroes after Peter's death, but it's been all set up by a few big characters and the introduction of Miles.

I agree. I understand why they need all the setup, but I think six issues of it was a little much. I would have at least liked a more consistent ongoing story. I didn't really think that the MJ/Fury scene was all that special, and it didn't provide much closure for MJ's story.

I think it would have been much better if they just did an oversized Ultimate Spider-man #161 or a big "Ultimate Spider-man Finale" one-shot, which included the material from issues #1 and 2, plus the parts from the other issues that directly involved reactions to Peter's death. The rest of the stuff (Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Captain America quitting, etc) could have been covered in the early issues of the new books instead.

But at the end of the day, I suppose the story would be the same either way. And if we get great payoff in the new series - which I really think we will - then I won't mind.

[Sardorim]

I think the point of Fury's story is that between the build-up of stress and the presumed genuine sadness he felt for Peter's death, he let a crack form in his otherwise perfectly cool facade.

I think it was a good note to end the series on, even if it was a bit forced.

I don't even understand Gwen and Aunt May's part of the story - since we know they're meant to be part of Miles' story, to begin with at least. Their moving to France cannot be the last we'll see of these two.

Perhaps May reliezes that they're just running from their problems and they move back after that revelation?

[5cents]

Do you guys think it would of been better if they had each issue focus on a few characters? One focus on Aunt May/Gwen, one on the x-men etc instead of three stories in one issue?

[kitonok]

Do you guys think it would of been better if they had each issue focus on a few characters? One focus on Aunt May/Gwen, one on the x-men etc instead of three stories in one issue?
Yep. I think that would've done the trick.

[OrpheusTelos]

Nah Fury has a soft spot for a few characters. He also had a soft spot for Hawkeye's family.

Softer spot then. :tongue:

[Balfro]

I don't even understand Gwen and Aunt May's part of the story - since we know they're meant to be part of Miles' story, to begin with at least. Their moving to France cannot be the last we'll see of these two.

Bendis already stated that the first arc of Ultimate Comics Spider-Man take place before Peter dies, when Miles gets his powers. So he meets May and Gwen BEFORE he even becomes Spider-Man. May and Gwen now live in France; their (current) story is over. Kong moved away. So the only non-hero character that might make a regular appearance is MJ.

Bendis interview:


In "Ultimate Comics Fallout" #4, readers got a quick glimpse of Miles in one of his first outings as Spider-Man. In "Ultimate Comics Spider-Man" #1, Bendis and Pichelli rewind the clock to properly introduce readers to the new Spidey, revealing how he came to take up the mantle of the Web-Slinger.

"We're going to show you exactly how he got his powers and where he came from. Then we will drive up to the moment of Peter's death, the moment where he first puts on the costume and the fallout in his life afterwords. That's all in the first arc of the series," Bendis said. "First, you're going to learn how long he's had these powers and what he has or hasn't been doing with them. He realizes all that's been a mistake once he discovers the true meaning of Peter Parker's life and sacrifice."

"You'll meet Miles' parents in our first arc, along with his best friend, who is my favorite person to write and Sarah's favorite person to draw," Bendis continued. "The cast will get larger and larger as we go. Some of the cast members will be from Peter Parker's life. Jessica Drew will make an appearance, and so will Gwen Stacy and Aunt May."


I liked the Fury and MJ scene. I also thought it was touching when Fury told MJ that Peter dying was in fact his fault, though he meant it more along the lines that he should have trained Peter better (or at all, for that matter) and he died because he didn't, rather than MJ's conspiracy theory that Fury did it on purpose, or whatever was going through her head.

Might not have been the strongest issue, but it was a great sendoff to the Post-Ultimatum era of the UU. It left me on a sort of mourning note, like issue #1 did.

Now bring on Post-DoSM :biggrin:

[taylor51]

I think it would have been much better if they just did an oversized Ultimate Spider-man #161 or a big "Ultimate Spider-man Finale" one-shot, which included the material from issues #1 and 2, plus the parts from the other issues that directly involved reactions to Peter's death. The rest of the stuff (Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Captain America quitting, etc) could have been covered in the early issues of the new books instead.

But at the end of the day, I suppose the story would be the same either way. And if we get great payoff in the new series - which I really think we will - then I won't mind.

I'm with you on this one. I feel like issues 2(post Aunt May leaving the funeral)-6 have been one big sleight of hand to stretch 3 basic plots over 4 issues: Peter's funeral (where we saw the UU's reactions to his death), how Gwen and May will move on and Nick Fury vs. MJ. The reaction to Peter's death would have been much better served in an oversized Finale issue, imo. The rest of Ultimate Fallout felt super watered down because of a). nothing actually happening and b). the 3 story per issue approach. The rest of the setup (Reed Richards, Kitty-Johnny-Bobby, Rogue freaking out, Quicksilver, the mutant media leak, Iron Man's Illuminati, Cap quitting, etc) really should have been told mainline in the new #1's. Grr...

Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and say that I really liked Fury's scene with MJ. The fact that he's holding himself accountable to a 16 year old girl shows to me that these events have really broken him, not forced-ness or awkwardness. Honestly, I don't think he gives a rat's @$$ if she attacks him in the press. He's Nick Fury, he knows his way around a media snafu.

Again, I think this is another one of those "you have to have read all 160 issues of USM" to understand why Nick Fury would be so deeply affected by this. He's mentored him nearly since day one. He wanted him to join the Ultimates. They connected in that scene after the Clone Saga, etc. To each their own.

[agent_graves]

The story was touching (Tony's a stand up guy,an Fury actually has a heart) but overall,there wasn't much excitement,or anything that actually got you excited for what's to come in the relaunch,and the Fury part,had some pretty bad art to begin with,and worst of all,no Miles appearance,or even a mention (inaccurate solicts) of the new suit.

[Robsy]

I would have liked a conspiracy theory with Fury but I guess Bendis is basically wiping the board clean and starting again. It's disappointing in a way because I loved the Ultimate Universe for what it was but now it's so...different. I'm not really sure what to think of it, really. He killed Spidey, he killed the X-Men, the Ultimates have pretty much disbanded and now...we have a new Spidey, new X-Men and probably new Ultimates as well. I suppose I'm holding onto the previous characters a bit much but they could have continued their stories.
Gwen and Aunt May's move felt a bit forced and I'm disappointed to see them go. Do they just go to Paris, learn French, and live their lives? We will ever see them again? Or this the end of Spider-Man as we know it?
Never mind. I still have hope. Thor can always bring the heroes back to the Ultimate Universe and that would be fairly interesting to see how they interact with the next generation of heroes :p

[Balfro]

I also liked how Bagley's final frame in the UU is a nice headshot of Fury... though is his ear horrendously tiny or is it just me? :eek:

[Wolverine12]

Bendis already stated that the first arc of Ultimate Comics Spider-Man take place before Peter dies, when Miles gets his powers. So he meets May and Gwen BEFORE he even becomes Spider-Man. May and Gwen now live in France; their (current) story is over. Kong moved away. So the only non-hero character that might make a regular appearance is MJ.

I didn't see anywhere in the Bendis quote where it says Miles meets Gwen and May before Peter dies, could you post that for me. I mean if Miles isn't out and about being Spidey why would Gwen and May ever notice him.

[Balfro]

I didn't see anywhere in the Bendis quote where it says Miles meets Gwen and May before Peter dies, could you post that for me. I mean if Miles isn't out and about being Spidey why would Gwen and May ever notice him.

"We're going to show you exactly how he got his powers and where he came from. Then we will drive up to the moment of Peter's death, the moment where he first puts on the costume and the fallout in his life afterwords. That's all in the first arc of the series."

"You'll meet Miles' parents in our first arc, along with his best friend, who is my favorite person to write and Sarah's favorite person to draw," Bendis continued. "The cast will get larger and larger as we go. Some of the cast members will be from Peter Parker's life. Jessica Drew will make an appearance, and so will Gwen Stacy and Aunt May."



I realize this makes it sound like they will be shown AFTER the first arc, but I'm pretty sure that Bendis stated before this in another interview that May and Gwen would be in the first arc, and the first arc takes place before DoSM, as stated above.

[Balfro]

Although I'm realizing now that obviously the last little bit of the first arc must take place in the present so I guess he could meet them at that point. However with them in Paris I'm leaning more towards them being in the flashback part of the arc.

[UltimateMarvel_Fan501]

I liked this issue. I also don't have a problem with Fury crying. I don't think it's out of character. It's not like Spider-man and Cap decided to give up during battle (jokes...)

I do agree that I'm getting a little frustrated that we're not hearing anything about Jessica. I'm sure they're doing so because they want people to be more interested in Miles right now.

I'm excited about the Ultimate X-men stuff. I'm really looking forward to what's coming up in the Ultimate Universe.

[Balfro]

Oh no I killed the thread :eek:

[Wolverine12]

I guess it's just worded funny, still I guess they could meet Miles before the leave for France.

[Jer]

Finally got a chance to read this. I think my favorite part is Fury talking to MJ. I wasn't too big on the crying but whatever.

As for the Morlock tunnels ... who didn't see that coming? You don't have to be a genius or anything ;)

I guess the reason why I liked it is because we got to see a different side of Nick Fury. We know Nick Fury the calculating strategist but Nick Fury the human ... not so much.
And I didn't even look at it as him explaining things to a 16 year old.

I looked at it as he was trying to comfort a person who just lost someone special to her and maybe he just felt the need to explain it to Peter's gf because she was taking it so hard.

Maybe he's after some jailbait? Who knows with Nick? ... really, who's going to arrest him? He's top cop of the world. lol
I just had to throw that in there.

But it was nice for MJ to finally get some decent screen time. Even if it did feel alittle force.

[Captain France]

Living in France, I can only laugh about the May & Gwen's destination.
I mean, the south of France is very hot, in summer, with a lot of fires, a lack of of water, and in winter, we have floods! What a good place ^^
Plus the fact that the euro is more expensive than the dollar, and the fact that France is the european country to have the most of taxes and a lot of unemployement!

And if we have money to leave France, a lot of people would choose Canada or USA!

Bendis is erasing all his characters to create the new life of Miles: I really don't like that.

Other than that, Kitty, Bobby and Johnny going to the Morlocks is lame.
I thought Prof X and the X-Men had put a lot of secret HQs in New York and other places.
Why not going in one of them, and put an X-Men suit which hides the X-gene to all?

Fury crying is a little WTF.
I would have liked to see a final page when Fury changes his face and say something about playing this sad scene.
After all, even if Fury cared about Peter, all characters of the ultimate universe are pieces on his chessboard.

[Kurolegacy]

Living in France, I can only laugh about the May & Gwen's destination.
I mean, the south of France is very hot, in summer, with a lot of fires, a lack of of water, and in winter, we have floods! What a good place ^^
Plus the fact that the euro is more expensive than the dollar, and the fact that France is the european country to have the most of taxes and a lot of unemployement!

And if we have money to leave France, a lot of people would choose Canada or USA!

Bendis is erasing all his characters to create the new life of Miles: I really don't like that.

Other than that, Kitty, Bobby and Johnny going to the Morlocks is lame.
I thought Prof X and the X-Men had put a lot of secret HQs in New York and other places.
Why not going in one of them, and put an X-Men suit which hides the X-gene to all?

Fury crying is a little WTF.
I would have liked to see a final page when Fury changes his face and say something about playing this sad scene.
After all, even if Fury cared about Peter, all characters of the ultimate universe are pieces on his chessboard.
Funny thing is, I can picture asshole Steve's reaction to Aunt May and Gwen's going to France. " France? France?! We're losing people to France of all places now?!"

Also I really do wonder just what Kitty and Bobby did with their X-Men uniforms. I mean Johnny's not in the FF anymore but he kept his uniform, you'd think they'd keep uniforms that are that useful. And I really do wonder why the safehouses were never brought up again after Return of the King. You'd think they'd make use of them, especially in a situation like this.

And I agree that I don't like that Bendis is clearing Peter's cast out. I'm willing to give Miles a chance and don't have anything against him but it just feels kinda forced to me. Peter may not be around anymore, but these are the people who were the closest to him so with someone else being Spider-Man you'd think they'd be important to the new series to act as support and give him insight.

[horsehead]

So were the Morlocks in their tunnels? I don't recall any stories of them dying or vacating........

[zenbullet]

Obviously the safe houses were destroyed in the flood.

Or alternatively, they can't be trusted to be safe, or they only found out about them mentally as needed. I can see Kitty not really being shown any safe houses, although Bobby was part of the team from the start.

It could be a lot of reasons, but it's probably just thematic...

[Captain France]

Obviously the safe houses were destroyed in the flood.

And the Morlocks who live in the sewers, not? They always have their place? Come on... the sewers... the first place where all is drowned and flooded with a lot of clay and other things.

[Drz]

Wasn't he the godfather of Clint's kids?

Yeah he was.

Ultmate Fallout #6 ends with a sweet surprise by Bendis regarding Nick Fury & Spider-Man, but besides that nothing really happens yet again and it's really a setup for the relaunch.

[anilbangkok]

ULT Fury is a big sissy *sniff*

[EliThe13th]

The story made me want to find the issue where Nick Fury and Peter Parker first met.

[kitonok]

The story made me want to find the issue where Nick Fury and Peter Parker first met.
Technically it's Ultimate Origins.

[E.L. Berquist]

I know I sound like a bit of a broken record but Spider-Woman didn't get so much as a mention? I mean Aunt May, Gwen, and MJ moving to France is a huge deal, that means everyone she remebers being family and friends is either dead, in hiding, or no longer in the country.

Completely agree.

[Sentinel Supreme]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryder View Post
I know I sound like a bit of a broken record but Spider-Woman didn't get so much as a mention? I mean spoilers:
Aunt May, Gwen, and MJ moving to France is a huge deal, that means everyone she remebers being family and friends is either dead, in hiding, or no longer in the country.
end of spoilers
Completely agree.

Yeah I agree too. I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Jessica Drew in Ultimate Spider-Man, and I wouldn't doubt if she and Miles have a confrontation before they become friends ("if" they become friends). It will probably be a huge shock to see someone else wearing a version of the costume that your now dead brother (I mean, she was Peter's clone, but same DNA, which would make her his sister- if not half-sister, right?). Yeah, I don't think she's going to be all that cool with Miles right off the bat.

[DoctorOak]

MJ hasn't gone anywhere. It makes me wonder if she's going to wind up being a bit of a 'mentor' to Miles in Peter's place.

[Kurolegacy]

And the Morlocks who live in the sewers, not? They always have their place? Come on... the sewers... the first place where all is drowned and flooded with a lot of clay and other things.

Even stranger considering that Wolverine found Nightcrawler's body in the sewers meaning that the sewers had to have filled with water at some point during the flood for it to have washed up there.

[Nick Spencer]

The sewers, yes. The tunnels were sealed off. Even still, you can see water damage all over from leaks and seepage.

The safe houses are long gone.

You guys can do better than that. :)

[Kurolegacy]

The sewers, yes. The tunnels were sealed off. Even still, you can see water damage all over from leaks and seepage.

The safe houses are long gone.

You guys can do better than that. :)

The safe houses weren't all in New York as the Ultimate War had shown with the one Moira had been using. Professor X had them scattered all around the place. Now the one the X-Men used, yea I can see that one being long gone since it was right on the pier, but I doubt all the other ones have been destroyed.

[Nick Spencer]

The safe houses weren't all in New York as the Ultimate War had shown with the one Moira had been using. Professor X had them scattered all around the place. Now the one the X-Men used, yea I can see that one being long gone since it was right on the pier, but I doubt all the other ones have been destroyed.

Read Ultimate Fallout 05 again. All properties owned by known mutants have been relinquished to the feds.

[Drz]

I have to comment i really liked the synergy with Bobby, John and Kitty in this issue, it was really good to see them act like teenagers in the sense that they had good and happy moments, not that they weren't behaving like teenagers when they we're sad, all i'm saying is: Ya optism!

[EliThe13th]

Mutants with Optimism impossible they technically just became sewer mutants so unless they are living right next to the teen-aged mutant ninja turtles I cant see how this is something to be optimistic about.

[Balfro]

I think it's a neat idea that the X-Men are now using the old Morlock tunnels. It's an element that was already established so it's not like it's being pulled out of thin air, and it's more realistic that a group of teenagers are using some underground system formerly used by outcasts rather than having a house or building to operate out of, cause let's face it it's not like any of them have a job and even still they're too young to own property. I guess Johnny could rent them an apartment, but that's too Ultimates 2 Defenders for my taste :tongue:


The only thing that bugs me is that whenever I'll see them in their new base I'll always think of Ninja Turtles 2: The Secret of the Ooze...:biggrin:

[CutthroatCrook]

The sewers, yes. The tunnels were sealed off. Even still, you can see water damage all over from leaks and seepage.

The safe houses are long gone.

You guys can do better than that. :)

I got something better, can you kill off Jimmy? Please.

[Balfro]

I got something better, can you kill off Jimmy? Please.

But then we'd have no Wolverine, and that's just unacceptable...

[CutthroatCrook]

But then we'd have no Wolverine, and that's just unacceptable...

They calling him Wolverine now?

[Balfro]

They calling him Wolverine now?



Um... What would you call him?

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[robcastor729]

They calling him Wolverine now?

No, In Ultimate X #5 Karen Grant tells the team that they will not have code names :biggrin:

[Balfro]

No, In Ultimate X #5 Karen Grant tells the team that they will not have code names :biggrin:

Karen Grant isn't in the X-Men, so she really gets no say. :cool:

[Captain France]

Read Ultimate Fallout 05 again. All properties owned by known mutants have been relinquished to the feds.

Yes, by known mutants who have bought properties.

Secret Head Quarters are secret like someone buying a property with a false name.

Anyway, it's not an error or a real retcon, and I can't wait for Ultimate X-Men v2.

I have only one (for now) suggestion: please change the cartoon 616 costumes to more real, original and ultimate ones.

[Wolverine12]

The sewers, yes. The tunnels were sealed off. Even still, you can see water damage all over from leaks and seepage.

The safe houses are long gone.

You guys can do better than that. :)

So I have a couple of questions,

1) Did the Morlocks lock themselves out of their home or in it? What I mean is are they still alive and living in the tunnels.

2) Is the "key" they used to open the tunnels the Nightcrawler role that was mentioned in early interviews or does he still play more of a part in your story.

Bonus question) What do I have to give you to get you to bring back the original Wolverine?? :biggrin:

[spiderfreak1011]

Aunt May finds out and try's to find out who it is to tell his parents. Gwen Stacy freaks out and turns back into Carnage :biggrin:

Yeah that would be cool, but it would have been cooler that in DOSM Spider-Woman came to help Peter fight Norman, and that Gwen freaked out then and becomes Carnage to help fight Norman too(and because of WOTS we know she can control the Carnage symbiote enough to not attack Peter). Anyway Fury cleared up the Mary and Richards death saying he was there and saw peter as a baby after his parents got killed by dumb Bruce Banner, but in USM we saw that Peter got to spend time with his parents until he was 5, so maybe the parents he got to spend time with, werent his real parents, but since Peter is dead, his parents true death may never be clear, cause i dont see Miles trying to figure that out, since it's personal to Peter and not him.

[CutthroatCrook]

Seriously though I think instead of making Miles Morales gay, I think they should make Jimmy gay. I could really get behind this, anyone else feel the same way?

[Balfro]

Seriously though I think instead of making Miles Morales gay, I think they should make Jimmy gay. I could really get behind this, anyone else feel the sme way?

Neither of them are gay :cool:

[Kurolegacy]

Neither of them are gay :cool:Seconded. It'd just feel like they're trying to turn Miles into a walking political statement if they did that. I mean half African American, half Pueto Rican and gay? It'd just feel too forced.

[Balfro]

Seconded. It'd just feel like they're trying to turn Miles into a walking political statement if they did that. I mean half African American, half Pueto Rican and gay? It'd just feel too forced.

I agree. And Marvel agrees. That's why they confirmed that he isn't gay. It was just a rumor started because a media outlet misinterpreted something that Sara Pichelli said during an interview. And they misinterpreted it pretty stupidly too because anyone with half a brain could understand what she really said, but they twisted her words to make it sound like she was saying that Miles is gay. Oh the media. Remember when they said Bush was behind 9/11? Priceless.

[pgtyner]

Neither of them are gay :cool:

THANK YOU!:biggrin:

[Balfro]

THANK YOU!:biggrin:

You're welcome, though it wasn't my decision to make him not gay. You should thank Brian Bendis :biggrin:

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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[taylor51]

Yeah that would be cool, but it would have been cooler that in DOSM Spider-Woman came to help Peter fight Norman, and that Gwen freaked out then and becomes Carnage to help fight Norman too(and because of WOTS we know she can control the Carnage symbiote enough to not attack Peter). Anyway Fury cleared up the Mary and Richards death saying he was there and saw peter as a baby after his parents got killed by dumb Bruce Banner, but in USM we saw that Peter got to spend time with his parents until he was 5, so maybe the parents he got to spend time with, werent his real parents, but since Peter is dead, his parents true death may never be clear, cause i dont see Miles trying to figure that out, since it's personal to Peter and not him.

I don't think Fury's statements can be construed to mean Peter's parents died in Ultimate Origin. If anything, I'd say it clears things up by acknowledging Ultimate Origins in the main title, proving it canonical. Fury met the Parkers when Peter was just born, then maintained a relationship with them until they were killed in the plane crash. That's how I read it at least...

[Balfro]

I don't think Fury's statements can be construed to mean Peter's parents died in Ultimate Origin. If anything, I'd say it clears things up by acknowledging Ultimate Origins in the main title, proving it canonical. Fury met the Parkers when Peter was just born, then maintained a relationship with them until they were killed in the plane crash. That's how I read it at least...

You, sir, are correct.

[eliyanimoses]

I just think Fury faked the tears to hide the fact that Peter's alive. Maybe Bendis intentionally didn't show peters body so he could bring him back if Miles doesn't work out. I hope. But ill check out Miles anyway.

[Darth Tigris]

As someone that, before I turned 30, lost all of my grandparents and both parents, I GOT the Aunt May/Gwen part of this ish. When my mom died, the world just felt wrong. It wasn't just grief, it felt ... wrong. If I had an incredible offer like they did to go somewhere amazing and just start a new life, I would've taken it in a New York minute. It was the closest they could get to a happy ending, and I couldn't feel better for them. It was needed and it was right.

[Balfro]

It was the closest they could get to a happy ending, and I couldn't feel better for them. It was needed and it was right.

That was a perfect way to describe it. Kudos :cool:

[zenbullet]

Nick Spencer is laughing at us.

Think on that board, and feel shame.

[Heroid]

First, why would it be bad for Miles to be gay? Gay-bashing is no better than racial slurs. There are plenty of people of mixed race (and non-mixed race too) who are gay. And at 13, he might not know if he's gay or straight. It might be an aspect of his development that Bendis could explore.

Second, I think May and Gwen are going to Paris so that when Peter comes back the writer of the next USM series won't have to say what they have been up to except that they went to Paris. And MJ is going to spend the next few months trying to find out who the new Spider-man is. Like me, she's pissed off that there's a Replacement Spider-man out there.

Zodiac Key. Within a year.

[Kurolegacy]

First, why would it be bad for Miles to be gay? Gay-bashing is no better than racial slurs. There are plenty of people of mixed race (and non-mixed race too) who are gay. And at 13, he might not know if he's gay or straight. It might be an aspect of his development that Bendis could explore.

Second, I think May and Gwen are going to Paris so that when Peter comes back the writer of the next USM series won't have to say what they have been up to except that they went to Paris. And MJ is going to spend the next few months trying to find out who the new Spider-man is. Like me, she's pissed off that there's a Replacement Spider-man out there.

Zodiac Key. Within a year.Yes, I'm very well aware of this. In fact one of my friends from high school fits that description. I just think that after how big of a deal was made about him being of a minority that it would feel a bit like they're trying to just take the Spider-Man name to attach as many political symbols to him as they can.

As for the Zodiac key, I don't know what Bendis has planned for it, if he has a plan for it. But I'm just hoping it doesn't become another Scorpion, plot element seen in someone important's custody only to go forgotten in the plot from that point on, and be seen on the cover again later down the line having nothing to do with anything.

[TheSensationalSean]

I liked this issue, mostly because Bagley was back! I hope MJ continues to have a big role Ultimate Spidey, her reaction to Miles will be interesting. Kinda like a Reign of the Supermen, with only one Spidey....

[Kurolegacy]

For me, the issue was alright, felt more interesting to read than issue 5 that is. The Morlock Tunnels look a lot different than they had back in Ultimate X-Men and I don't mean changes from flood damage. The entire layout looks different than it did. I wonder where the Morlocks are though. I mean they were shown to be alive and well back in Ultimate X-Men 100 and since they don't mingle with the surface world, I doubt that they were all taken since then.

With the part with the Ultimates, I wonder why exactly they didn't show asshole Steve's face when it was so obviously him. It seems that he's not only quit the Ultimates but quit as Captain America as well. It seems that the entire thing of what happened to Peter has made him really question his outlook on life, realizing just how many things he's actually caused by his closed mindedness and I guess he's going to find himself and his place in the world. I'm hoping that when he returns that he's become a better person who can actually represent what Captain America stands for.

And I've gotta say, the final part was actually very touching. You can really see that Nick Fury's taken Peter's death hard as all the others who were close to him. It's nice to have a chance to see Nick Fury as the man rather than just as director of SHIELD. This also helped to dispel any thought that Peter was just another sacrifice to be made so that he could get his job back. He blames himself possibly more than anyone else for Peter's death, having not been able to prepare him better. It's one thing that makes me think that had Fury not lost his job as director, that DoSM would have never happened. It really just seems that he would have been able to better train Peter than Carol's idea of the Ultimates doing it. It must be even harder on him knowing that he has both of Peter's living clones (Jessica and Scorpion Peter) are in his custody, like a constant reminder of what he probably considers one of his biggest failures.

One thing that I found a bit disappointing was that despite the fact that they had May Jane at the end like I thought they would do, we never really got to see even a summery of what she had written in her story.

[Red Lotus]

Perhaps May reliezes that they're just running from their problems and they move back after that revelation?

Maybe they hear about a new Spider-man and come back to find out if its Peter.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

I liked this issue, mostly because Bagley was back! I hope MJ continues to have a big role Ultimate Spidey, her reaction to Miles will be interesting. Kinda like a Reign of the Supermen, with only one Spidey....

Agreed. I don't want her to play the mentor kind of role, but it's gonna be interesting to see her get involved in Miles story. I see her taking a kind of stance against it, saying that the Spider-Man legacy should have died with Peter.

Where did the subject of Miles' sexuality come up at? We don't even know the kids middle name yet and we're talking sexuality for a 13 year old. 'kay.

Anyhow, the rest of the issue was on point. Nick Fury crying!? And to Mary Jane of all people....genius!

Can't wait for how the Ultimate universe plays out after Fallout.

[Sparrowsabre7]

What started with a rumble of thunder ended with a wet fart. F1 and 2 were both very powerful comics but the rest underwhelmed me greatly. Splicing 3 stories into each issue was a bad choice as it really cut the amount of development given for each. The rest of Fallout felt like a teaser of what's to come instead of a denouement to Ultimate Spider-man like it should have.

I did like Fury's reaction at the end, even though it was rather an abrupt end. I kinda feel like maybe MJ should've reacted to that statement, either hit him or hugged him or something, but "you were right" seems like a cliffhanger style ending than any sense of finality.

ANyway, on with the new show. But by lord Ultimate Comics: Ultimates is going to make internet searches a pain, though less so than Ultimate Comics: Spider-man (new one)