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Leogam
07-13-2011, 07:57 AM
Can the general public ever truly trust wanda & pietro to be Avengers again (as the children of magneto, and after M-Day ?)

I_Captain Blanco
07-13-2011, 09:20 AM
I dunno, but I want my Wanda back (the one who was a loyal and trusted Avenger and was married to the Vision). Come to that, I want my Vision back, too...

Kevinroc
07-13-2011, 10:08 AM
The general public doesn't know Wanda was responsible for M-Day. So the answer for her is "yes."

As far as Pietro, he blamed his actions on a Skrull imposter. While the other captured (Hank Pym, Jarvis, etc.) knew he was full of it, the general public believed him. And since none of the captured ever called him out on it, it looks like the public does trust him.

Monty_Cristo
07-13-2011, 01:33 PM
doesn't matter, really. they started out distrusting them and the rest of the kooky quartet. the twins weren't heroes for reasons of self-image. :)

XPac
07-13-2011, 04:27 PM
The general public doesn't know Wanda was responsible for M-Day. So the answer for her is "yes."

As far as Pietro, he blamed his actions on a Skrull imposter. While the other captured (Hank Pym, Jarvis, etc.) knew he was full of it, the general public believed him. And since none of the captured ever called him out on it, it looks like the public does trust him.

Course, if the general public knew about M Day would they even have a problem with it? I'll wager plenty of people would actualy be thankful that Wanda depowered a majority of the mutant community.

marvell2100
07-13-2011, 04:30 PM
Course, if the general public knew about M Day would they even have a problem with it? I'll wager plenty of people would actualy be thankful that Wanda depowered a majority of the mutant community.

Some would probably try to manipulate her into doing more.

Mark_S
07-13-2011, 06:22 PM
This is marvel, trust isn't something the writers do very well.

Mark_S

Zoom's Doorway
07-13-2011, 06:38 PM
Eh, they've trusted Tony Stark after every thing he's done. They can trust Wanda, who actually appears to have remorse.

XPac
07-13-2011, 06:49 PM
As far as trust goes, I do suppose the fact that she's Dr. Dooms fiancee might be a check in the minus column.

But if people are okay with her being Magneto's daughter, maybe they'll be fine with her being Dr. Dooms bride to be.

Mr.Logan
07-13-2011, 06:53 PM
As far as trust goes, I do suppose the fact that she's Dr. Dooms fiancee might be a check in the minus column.

But if people are okay with her being Magneto's daughter, maybe they'll be fine with her being Dr. Dooms bride to be.

What the ? when did this happen,is this a plot line in the mini series she's in with the young avengers ? If so maybe I should have pick up the series,I thought it was another throw away series.

XPac
07-13-2011, 07:01 PM
What the ? when did this happen,is this a plot line in the mini series she's in with the young avengers ? If so maybe I should have pick up the series,I thought it was another throw away series.

If you enjoyed Young Avengers, I'd recommend checking this out.

medinnus
07-13-2011, 07:06 PM
Sure they can - its not like the editorial at Marvel values continuity, characterization, or consistency.

Finganforn
07-13-2011, 10:21 PM
Sure they can - its not like the editorial at Marvel values continuity, characterization, or consistency.
That was what got her in this hole in the first place, in an strange way that would be some sort of justice to the character imo.

The Black Guardian
07-13-2011, 10:51 PM
The general public trusted Norman Osborn to control the US Super-Military...

After that, they can probably trust anyone with anything.

Cthulhudrew
07-13-2011, 10:54 PM
How much did the general public know about anything either of them did? As mentioned upthread, the Scarlet Witch's role in M-Day shouldn't be known much outside the superhero community (and even then, in limited circles).

What all did Quicksilver do that they general public might know about? I can't think of much of anything.

The_Greatest_Username
07-13-2011, 11:00 PM
If the public knows that Wanda caused M-Day they'll probably welcome her with open arms.

Mark_S
07-14-2011, 09:48 AM
As far as trust goes, I do suppose the fact that she's Dr. Dooms fiancee might be a check in the minus column.

But if people are okay with her being Magneto's daughter, maybe they'll be fine with her being Dr. Dooms bride to be.

Sue was Dr. Doom's fiance once.

Mark_S

Push You Down
07-14-2011, 09:49 AM
How much did the general public know about anything either of them did? As mentioned upthread, the Scarlet Witch's role in M-Day shouldn't be known much outside the superhero community (and even then, in limited circles).

What all did Quicksilver do that they general public might know about? I can't think of much of anything.

...yeah the OPs question doesn't make any sense. The general public doesn't know anything. Quicksilver played off any of the negative things he did post-M day as being a Skrull. No reason they have not to believe him.

Nomads1
07-14-2011, 09:57 AM
...yeah the OPs question doesn't make any sense. The general public doesn't know anything. Quicksilver played off any of the negative things he did post-M day as being a Skrull. No reason they have not to believe him.

My knowledge of that period is a little bit sketchy, but isn't it known that he was responsible for almost starting a war between Humans and Inhumans? I know he placed the blame on the shoulders of a ficticious Skrull playing him, but the general public was aware that A Quicksilver was the reason for said almost war, right?

Peace

infernohara
07-14-2011, 10:16 AM
My knowledge of that period is a little bit sketchy, but isn't it known that he was responsible for almost starting a war between Humans and Inhumans? I know he placed the blame on the shoulders of a ficticious Skrull playing him, but the general public was aware that A Quicksilver was the reason for said almost war, right?

Peace

Believe so, but Quicksilver played it off to everyone that that Quicksilver was a skrull. The only people that know anything I believe are his daughter, Hank pym and Finesse (who is blackmailing him currently with this info).

John Ossie
07-14-2011, 10:19 AM
Eh, they've trusted Tony Stark after every thing he's done. They can trust Wanda, who actually appears to have remorse.

Precisely I agree

Iron Maiden
07-14-2011, 10:23 AM
Joe Q Public in Marvel has never been portrayed as very bright. Do they even know their Hero of Secret Invasion, Osborn, engineered the the incident at Soldier Field in Chicago just so he could start the Siege of Asgard? Their was a great loss of life there, which Marvel has once again never made specific. IIRC some comics said it was thousands...IIRC capacity of the stadium is around 60,000.

As for being Doom's fiance, well he could always say he was an once an ally of Osborn's but then that could cut both ways. And now Doom is working with Reed Richards.

XPac
07-14-2011, 12:05 PM
Joe Q Public in Marvel has never been portrayed as very bright. Do they even know their Hero of Secret Invasion, Osborn, engineered the the incident at Soldier Field in Chicago just so he could start the Siege of Asgard? Their was a great loss of life there, which Marvel has once again never made specific. IIRC some comics said it was thousands...IIRC capacity of the stadium is around 60,000.

As for being Doom's fiance, well he could always say he was an once an ally of Osborn's but then that could cut both ways. And now Doom is working with Reed Richards.

I actually think Siege potrayed the public and government in an OK light for a change. The point of blowing Soldiers field was to garner support for Osborns invasion of Asgard... but I don't think to any real degree that actually happened.

I think part of the reason that Osborns reign (along with the SHRA and Initiative as a whole) was toppled to quickly and easily was because everyone realized Osborn went too far and jumped ship.

Monty_Cristo
07-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Sue was Dr. Doom's fiance once.

Mark_S

i think she gets a pass since she knew it was Reed under the armor.

Home made ectoplasm
07-14-2011, 01:51 PM
I suspect The Children's Crusade is meant to redeem Wanda which I'm not particularly happy about, but if it does, hopefully Bendis will get to write her again and have her commit another atrocity.

Chalk0073
07-14-2011, 02:14 PM
The general public would probably give Wanda a medal.

earl
07-14-2011, 04:12 PM
You know I often thought how the characters are portrayed in the Marvel Universe media is an angle often under utilized.

Does the public at large know that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are Magneto's children? The Avengers and the X-men would know, but it is it common knowledge?

To be honest, as much as cities are destroyed and crazy crap going on, I'd think people would be paranoid and scared at all times living there, especially in NYC.

Babylon23
07-14-2011, 06:53 PM
The Marvel public can be incredibly forgiving. Even if they knew everything that Quicksilver and Wanda were involved in, I'm sure they'd forgive them eventually.

Hell, back in the 80's, Quicksilver tried to destroy the Avengers as leader of the Zodiac. That didn't affect his public standing in the long run and he was brought back into the fold eventually.

A look back at everything the heroes have done over the years shows that no matter how bad you are, redemption in the public eye is relatively easy to obtain.

Monty_Cristo
07-14-2011, 07:10 PM
the general public suffer collectively from post-traumatic stress disorder. they have bigger things to worry about than who is on the Avengers' roster. Thanos could join tomorrow and call himself Purple Hulk.

Swie
07-14-2011, 07:56 PM
^ Exactly. The Magneto connection is not even on the scale of things to worry about in the MU. Unless they start happily tearing through Manhattan with the old man no one will care.

As for the other stuff it's not public knowledge. Before HoM they went nuts, but it was all mind-control and they were back on teams afterwards so I guess someone gave a press-conference at some point. It's probably a common occurance in the MU, the "post-rampage explanation".

Monty_Cristo
07-14-2011, 08:14 PM
^ Exactly. The Magneto connection is not even on the scale of things to worry about in the MU. Unless they start happily tearing through Manhattan with the old man no one will care.

As for the other stuff it's not public knowledge. Before HoM they went nuts, but it was all mind-control and they were back on teams afterwards so I guess someone gave a press-conference at some point. It's probably a common occurance in the MU, the "post-rampage explanation".

when Jan returns she should become the Avengers' primary public relations director. she's has a lot of contacts through being a socialite. it might be a way to promote her/make her stand out from the other Avengers.

Swie
07-14-2011, 08:37 PM
when Jan returns she should become the Avengers' primary public relations director. she's has a lot of contacts through being a socialite. it might be a way to promote her/make her stand out from the other Avengers.And she'd put together new costumes for people coming off a crazy-streak. New look = new start! Apologize and then disassociate from your mistakes! Public signings and rescue as many babies as possible! Be seen as a cute couple with someone in fashionable restaurants.

She could be like the liaisons except she'd also kick ass and actually be fun to read about.

Monty_Cristo
07-14-2011, 08:42 PM
And she'd put together new costumes for people coming off a crazy-streak. New look = new start! Apologize and then disassociate from your mistakes! Public signings and rescue as many babies as possible! Be seen as a cute couple with someone in fashionable restaurants.

O'Grady has already pledged to save college co-eds with eating disorders (but not overeating). he's also pro-cougar.

Swie
07-14-2011, 08:47 PM
O'Grady has already pledged to save college co-eds with eating disorders (but not overeating). he's also pro-cougar.Clearly Jan's ability to spin bad news items is going to be needed.

Hypestyle
07-15-2011, 12:02 PM
...What is Scarlet Witch's status now, does she have powers or no? has it been clarified once and for all the difference between chaos magic and her mutant hexes?

Taiso
07-15-2011, 12:38 PM
The OP's question was answered back on page one with this:


The general public trusted Norman Osborn to control the US Super-Military...

After that, they can probably trust anyone with anything.

I'm all for off topic discussion, but the matter has been settled.