Avengers: Children's Crusade #6 *Preview*

[CMBMOOL]

She's back.....:evilsmile:

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[Songbird/Diamondback]

Moment of father being proud of Stature.

She's a goner.

[John Ossie]

Sounds like a good one

[Washout]

Hopefully this quiets all the people complaining that Wanda is too much of a coward to kill herself.

[AcesX1X]

awesome. wanda has a moment of clarity and tries to do the right thing -- kill herself. too bad that little punk billy is sticking his nose in her business. let her be a hero, "wiccan."

[Prodigy55]

omg so cute

[Prodigy55]

i can't remember last issue. when the heck did beast show up?

[Washout]

i can't remember last issue. when the heck did beast show up?

Lol, I don't remember that either. Perhaps this series is in real time.

[yanapryde]

i can't remember last issue. when the heck did beast show up?


Lol, I don't remember that either. Perhaps this series is in real time.

The pages we're viewing in the preview are not the first pages of the issue.
I too was confused.
Last issue, the team returned to their timeline, with Daddy Antman in tow, and Miss Wanda was flying high glowing bright pink.

[AcesX1X]

beast has probably been on this adventure the whole time, hiding in the bushes.

[Skaddix]

awesome. wanda has a moment of clarity and tries to do the right thing -- kill herself. too bad that little punk billy is sticking his nose in her business. let her be a hero, "wiccan."

Yes since this is issue 6 of 9, I think we can all tell this is going to be a stupid decision.

[Swie]

It might not even matter, who knows if Wanda CAN kill herself. Why is Wanda so calm anyway?

I wish Hawkeye were the one talking her down... you know... being that he actually knows her... rather than a boy she's met like, once... but of course the only thing that can cure Wanda's womb-craze is the possibility that the soul of the child she never had has been put inside a teenager.

[Sabrewulf]

Ah good writing on Avengers. I love it. It's like a guilty pleasure these days.

Is that characterisation. How the hell did Alosnso let that slip through.

[Skaddix]

Ah good writing on Avengers. I love it. It's like a guilty pleasure these days.

Is that characterisation. How the hell did Alosnso let that slip through.

Some writers get to do whatever they want. I mean they iced YA just so he could come back.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yes since this is issue 6 of 9, I think we can all tell this is going to be a stupid decision.

nine? look, i don't want to be retirement age when this b.s. ends. can't they shorten it to 7 issues or something?

[Skaddix]

nine? look, i don't want to be retirement age when this b.s. ends. can't they shorten it to 7 issues or something?

Well it should finish by December.

[Biyu]

Confirmation of Clint having banged a Doombot in Transia. Awesome.

[Moriarty]

can't wait for this issue. going on the preview, i guess the Wanda that Hawkeye slept with was a Doombot. i kinda saw that coming, and i'm glad it was retconned.

[ImmortalIronFist]

nine? look, i don't want to be retirement age when this b.s. ends. can't they shorten it to 7 issues or something?

Seriously, bi-monthly books are dumb. I love this mini, but every time a new one comes out i have to get re-caught up to speed on what happened because the first one came out a year ago.

[XPac]

Confirmation of Clint having banged a Doombot in Transia. Awesome.

The really funny thing is I'm not certain Clint even seems to mind.

[Monty_Cristo]

can't wait for this issue. going on the preview, i guess the Wanda that Hawkeye slept with was a Doombot. i kinda saw that coming, and i'm glad it was retconned.

so now he attempted to take advantage of Wanda w/o realizing that she was artificial. creepy.

[XPac]

It might not even matter, who knows if Wanda CAN kill herself. Why is Wanda so calm anyway?

I wish Hawkeye were the one talking her down... you know... being that he actually knows her... rather than a boy she's met like, once... but of course the only thing that can cure Wanda's womb-craze is the possibility that the soul of the child she never had has been put inside a teenager.

This way is arguably more practical though.

They still need to fight off the Kree ships, and if Wiccan is powerful he can't really help in that department. Clint conversely considers himself an "expert" at it. So Wicca might as well try and talk to Wanda instead.

Besides, Clints last few attempts at communicating with Wanda, both in NA and in House of M, had pretty questionable results. It's perhaps best to not go there again.

[AcesX1X]

The really funny thing is I'm not certain Clint even seems to mind.

actually, the really funny thing is that he seems to have gossiped to jessica jones about it.

[Washout]

actually, the really funny thing is that he seems to have gossiped to jessica jones about it.

I giggled at that, too.

[Monty_Cristo]

actually, the really funny thing is that he seems to have gossiped to jessica jones about it.

i don't think he told her. you're forgetting that "Jessica" is really just Bendis in a wig. he wrote the story. he should know about it.

[Beast]

Confirmation of Clint having banged a Doombot in Transia. Awesome.
That's not confirmation of anything. She was obviously replaced afterwards. Unless Doombots can stop time.

[Majinoaw]

awesome. wanda has a moment of clarity and tries to do the right thing -- kill herself. too bad that little punk billy is sticking his nose in her business. let her be a hero, "wiccan."

The most fitting end for her really. Dissassembled has ruined any chance of Wanda returning to the Avengers/

nine? look, i don't want to be retirement age when this b.s. ends. can't they shorten it to 7 issues or something?
Schism will be over by the time this is done.

Well it should finish by December.

Should is a key word.

[Sabrewulf]

Im not sure it was always a Doombot. Wasnt Doom dead or in the future or somethin for ages. Didnt he abdicate. Seriously they should try and make some sense of when this all happened.

[Moriarty]

The most fitting end for her really. Dissassembled has ruined any chance of Wanda returning to the Avengers/


no character is beyond redemption. if Magneto can sink a submarine full of Russians and Wolverine is given free reign to kill whoever he wants then Wanda can be forgiven. granted, what she did was worst but still. i'd hate to see Wanda thrown away simply because Bendis wanted to use her for asinine stories.

[XPac]

Im not sure it was always a Doombot. Wasnt Doom dead or in the future or somethin for ages. Didnt he abdicate. Seriously they should try and make some sense of when this all happened.

Doom came back from hell right before Civil War I believe... and Clint banged the alleged Doombot right after Civil War.

So I don't think anything in Doom's timeline at that point necessarily conflicts.

[XPac]

no character is beyond redemption. if Magneto can sink a submarine full of Russians and Wolverine is given free reign to kill whoever he wants then Wanda can be forgiven. granted, what she did was worst but still. i'd hate to see Wanda thrown away simply because Bendis wanted to use her for asinine stories.

Since Wanda's actions were due to mental illness, I really don't think it'll take that much to justify her rejoining the team down the line.

People like Jean Grey and Hal Jordon have actually done far worse, in terms of a body count. And they made it back on their perspective teams when the time was right to return them.

[Moriarty]

Since Wanda's actions were due to mental illness, I really don't think it'll take that much to justify her rejoining the team down the line.

People like Jean Grey and Hal Jordon have actually done far worse, in terms of a body count. And they made it back on their perspective teams when the time was right to return them.

exactly. Wolverine can forgive and forget that Jean killed millions as Phoenix, but he's keen to murder Wanda? bah.

[AcesX1X]

exactly. Wolverine can forgive and forget that Jean killed millions as Phoenix, but he's keen to murder Wanda? bah.

IIRC the x-men sent a kill squad after jean grey the last time she came back to life and wolverine murdered her several times over within a few pages. let's correct our facts, people.

[XPac]

IIRC the x-men sent a kill squad after jean grey the last time she came back to life and wolverine murdered her several times over within a few pages. let's correct our facts, people.

The first time Jean returned, no one tried to kill her. She joined X-Factor and eventually the X-Men again, and for the most part people were cool with it.

When Xavier became Onslaught, they didn't try to kill him afterwards either.

So the X-Men can go either way on the matter. Truthfully I imagine some will want to kill her, and others won't (though the ones that don't will likely get their way).

[AcesX1X]

the x-men sent xavier to prison after onslaught.

[Moriarty]

the x-men sent xavier to prison after onslaught.

they didn't send him to prision. Xavier turned himself over to the government...who turned him over to Bastion.

[Washout]

I love Wanda, and I don't think she did anything wrong (although I admit that that is 100% skewed by my love for her), but Jean Grey did find redemption through her suicide. I think at this point, she should die at the end of this mini. In a couple years, she can come back to life and possibly find her own redemption, but at this point, Wiccan isn't helping anyone, and he's acting selfishly, which is I guess exactly how we should expect a teenage boy to act toward the woman he thinks is his mother.

[AcesX1X]

they didn't send him to prision. Xavier turned himself over to the government...who turned him over to Bastion.

val cooper marched in and told the x-men that if they didn't let her take xavier to prison that she'd have them all arrested.

[Skaddix]

I love Wanda, and I don't think she did anything wrong (although I admit that that is 100% skewed by my love for her), but Jean Grey did find redemption through her suicide. I think at this point, she should die at the end of this mini. In a couple years, she can come back to life and possibly find her own redemption, but at this point, Wiccan isn't helping anyone, and he's acting selfishly, which is I guess exactly how we should expect a teenage boy to act toward the woman he thinks is his mother.

Pretty much I think we all know Wiccan is going to cause serious problems.

[Vivica Kang]

She's here! She's finally here!!! And crazier than ever!!!:biggrin: I love it! Someone get Stature and Wiccan outta there because they could be the one getting killed with that attitude!

[Washout]

She's here! She's finally here!!! And crazier than ever!!!:biggrin: I love it! Someone get Stature and Wiccan outta there because they could be the one getting killed with that attitude!

We can only hope (lol jk).

[Mark_S]

Does this come out once every six months or so? I can't remember when the last issue was. I thought all of marvel was into the Fear Itself event. Does this happen before or after that?

At any rate while I think it'd be nice for Wanda to wipe everyone out of existence and start over again I can't see it happening. I can't really tell what is going to happen but I'm torn. I like Wanda as a character but if she comes back she might be in Avengers and that puts her into Bendis territory. I think I'd rather she stay dead than the man who created Dissasembled and tossed her into the compost heap to begin with is given another crack at her.

Mark_S

[Washout]

Does this come out once every six months or so? I can't remember when the last issue was. I thought all of marvel was into the Fear Itself event. Does this happen before or after that?

At any rate while I think it'd be nice for Wanda to wipe everyone out of existence and start over again I can't see it happening. I can't really tell what is going to happen but I'm torn. I like Wanda as a character but if she comes back she might be in Avengers and that puts her into Bendis territory. I think I'd rather she stay dead than the man who created Dissasembled and tossed her into the compost heap to begin with is given another crack at her.

Mark_S


I think this happens at the point in Marvel history when the last issue debuts. It seems to only happen in a couple days Marvel time. It's like the Astonishing X-men of the Avengers books.

[Moriarty]

val cooper marched in and told the x-men that if they didn't let her take xavier to prison that she'd have them all arrested.

true. but that still doesn't equal 'the x-men sent him to prison'. Xavier turned himself over to Val without a fight.

[Prodigy55]

val cooper marched in and told the x-men that if they didn't let her take xavier to prison that she'd have them all arrested.

how is this woman even an ally? i read an x-treme issue the other day where she was scheming with the president to re-instate sentinels and talking about how mutants were such a threat.

[CaptainLiberty76]

What I am about to type will probably not set well with some folks--but I hope that the end-game here is the redemption of Wanda Maximoff. There are several reasons why I feel that way (chief among them is her rather storied history with the Avengers); but another is that her fall from grace was such a crap-tastic abuse of the character and her history that redemption is not only necessary but immensely justified. It has been good in the course of this mini to have read something that actually represents the Avengers (as opposed to what fans have had to endure for the past decade). Hienberg has the 'voices' right and distinct--he has cracked the possibility that Wanda's behavior was not due to some foolish 'mental imbalance' (which in truth is NOT accurate to her history--yes I know others differ in opinion on this point--but having lived through the majority of her publishing history first-hand I believe that statement is not only accurate but truthful as well).

Here's hoping that Wanda is restored to her former greatness as one of top seven mainstays of the Avengers and the past decade can be relagated to the realm of a 'Pam Ewing Dream' where it belongs.

Bring Back the Avengers! Cap, Wanda, Clint, Vish, Thor, Iron Man, & Janet!

Shalom!

[Moriarty]

What I am about to type will probably not set well with some folks--but I hope that the end-game here is the redemption of Wanda Maximoff. There are several reasons why I feel that way (chief among them is her rather storied history with the Avengers); but another is that her fall from grace was such a crap-tastic abuse of the character and her history that redemption is not only necessary but immensely justified. It has been good in the course of this mini to have read something that actually represents the Avengers (as opposed to what fans have had to endure for the past decade). Hienberg has the 'voices' right and distinct--he has cracked the possibility that Wanda's behavior was not due to some foolish 'mental imbalance' (which in truth is NOT accurate to her history--yes I know others differ in opinion on this point--but having lived through the majority of her publishing history first-hand I believe that statement is not only accurate but truthful as well).

Here's hoping that Wanda is restored to her former greatness as one of top seven mainstays of the Avengers and the past decade can be relagated to the realm of a 'Pam Ewing Dream' where it belongs.

Bring Back the Avengers! Cap, Wanda, Clint, Vish, Thor, Iron Man, & Janet!

Shalom!

i completely agree with you. i pretty much despise everything that has been done to the Avengers since Bendis took over with Disassembled.

[AcesX1X]

how is this woman even an ally? i read an x-treme issue the other day where she was scheming with the president to re-instate sentinels and talking about how mutants were such a threat.

she may enjoy a cup of coffee with the occasional mutant, but val has a job. bills have to be paid.

[Mark_S]

she may enjoy a cup of coffee with the occasional mutant, but val has a job. bills have to be paid.

Also in marvel whether you are a good person or a bad person often depends on what the story needs rather than what the character is.

Mark_S

[tigerkaya]

I knew she was possessed by outside forces. I'm betting its Cthon out of all of them. Sure it might be Morgan or Immortus but since Cthon was there when she was born and she draws her powers from him it has to be him. Immortus I don't think could be the one he seems more observant of the timeline these days.

[Moriarty]

ah, lets just pull a Avengers Forever and say crazy Wanda was a Space Phantom :tongue:

[Washout]

I knew she was possessed by outside forces. I'm betting its Cthon out of all of them. Sure it might be Morgan or Immortus but since Cthon was there when she was born and she draws her powers from him it has to be him. Immortus I don't think could be the one he seems more observant of the timeline these days.

I didn't get that from this preview.

[Sterling]

That's not confirmation of anything. She was obviously replaced afterwards. Unless Doombots can stop time.

When was time stopped in that issue?

[Beast]

That Which Endures. Nuff Said.

[TonyStark1012]

Looks good as usual. I wish they would make this monthly.

[Telos]

What I am about to type will probably not set well with some folks--but I hope that the end-game here is the redemption of Wanda Maximoff. There are several reasons why I feel that way (chief among them is her rather storied history with the Avengers); but another is that her fall from grace was such a crap-tastic abuse of the character and her history that redemption is not only necessary but immensely justified. It has been good in the course of this mini to have read something that actually represents the Avengers (as opposed to what fans have had to endure for the past decade). Hienberg has the 'voices' right and distinct--he has cracked the possibility that Wanda's behavior was not due to some foolish 'mental imbalance' (which in truth is NOT accurate to her history--yes I know others differ in opinion on this point--but having lived through the majority of her publishing history first-hand I believe that statement is not only accurate but truthful as well).

Here's hoping that Wanda is restored to her former greatness as one of top seven mainstays of the Avengers and the past decade can be relagated to the realm of a 'Pam Ewing Dream' where it belongs.

Bring Back the Avengers! Cap, Wanda, Clint, Vish, Thor, Iron Man, Hank & Janet!

Shalom!

Quoted for truth. (although it's actually the top 8 mainstays, add Hank Pym to the list :tongue:)

[XPac]

the x-men sent xavier to prison after onslaught.

If my memory serves me, it was the government that went after Xavier. The X-Men themselves actually were willing to fight to keep Xavier from being taken away until Xavier himself agreed to go.

SO arguing that the X-Men sent Xavier anywhere isn't really accurate. And they certainly didn't try to kill him (or Jean at least the first time), which is kind of what I was getting at with Wanda.

Like I said, odds are SOME of the X-Men will want Wanda dead. Some won't. And the ones that won't will probably get their way.

[Swie]

This way is arguably more practical though.

They still need to fight off the Kree ships, and if Wiccan is powerless he can't really help in that department. Clint conversely considers himself an "expert" at it. So Wicca might as well try and talk to Wanda instead.

Besides, Clints last few attempts at communicating with Wanda, both in NA and in House of M, had pretty questionable results. It's perhaps best to not go there again.True that it's impractical. Guess I just really want Hawkeye to forgive her.

Their other meetings were when they were both messed up. Now Wanda seems very calm (contrast w/ HoM where she's constantly crying) and Hawkeye's had over a year to get his act together. Maybe in the rest of the issue some of the Avengers get to talk to her. Hell, I'd love for the X-Men (not Wolverine) to talk to her. Or her brother/father. Or anyone she knows marginally well...

[Monty_Cristo]

Clint really doesn't have anything to complain about. his death was instant. he didn't have any family or a job before dying. and he wasn't dead very long. plus it was Wanda, herself, who brought him back. if anyone should be mad, it's Scott Lang. Wanda upended his life. and she didn't resurrect him. but, if he is actually back, i'm sure that Scott would forgive her as well.

[Telos]

Doom came back from hell right before Civil War I believe... and Clint banged the alleged Doombot right after Civil War.

So I don't think anything in Doom's timeline at that point necessarily conflicts.

I'm pretty sure Clint banged Wanda(bot?) right after House of M, immediately following his resurrection.

[XPac]

That Which Endures. Nuff Said.

It's funny how that whole story arc threw That Which Endures, Master Pandemonium, Mephisto, Magneto, and Immortus all at Wanda almost all at once.

In that era alone there are almost half a dozen potential candidates for pulling Wanda's strings.

[Sterling]

That Which Endures. Nuff Said.

Mr. Beast if this is your answer to my question I don't know what you mean.

But If it was not supposed to be an answer then I apologize.

[Swie]

Clint really doesn't have anything to complain about. his death was instant. he didn't have any family or a job before dying. and he wasn't dead very long. plus it was Wanda, herself, who brought him back. if anyone should be mad, it's Scott Lang. Wanda upended his life. and she didn't resurrect him. but, if he is actually back, i'm sure that Scott would forgive her as well.Clint took it really badly though... the first time he tried to kill her, the second he changed his name and since then has been acting different... it'd be nice if that all came to a head. Though if they have a Scott Lang/Wanda scene instead I will also be very happy. It'd be a great scene if, with her ready to die for her sins, someone says, "We forgive you, don't go."

You'd think instead of instant suicide, she'd at least bring back the dead first... if not reverse M-Day since maybe that was hard/maybe she doesn't remember. She's already using her powers to control the Kree to attack her. Is bringing the Vision back that hard?

[Godlike13]

Why do they have to have Jessica Jones pollute this book, having her stand next to Scott telling him how good his daughter is even. Ugh..

[XPac]

Why do they have to have Jessica Jones pollute this book, having her stand next to Scott telling him how good his daughter is even. Ugh..

She is Scott's ex-girlfriend. And she actually did have a fair bit of interaction with the Young Avengers in their first mini. So I think she actually makes a lot of sense.

[XPac]

Clint took it really badly though... the first time he tried to kill her, the second he changed his name and since then has been acting different... it'd be nice if that all came to a head. Though if they have a Scott Lang/Wanda scene instead I will also be very happy. It'd be a great scene if, with her ready to die for her sins, someone says, "We forgive you, don't go."

You'd think instead of instant suicide, she'd at least bring back the dead first... if not reverse M-Day since maybe that was hard/maybe she doesn't remember. She's already using her powers to control the Kree to attack her. Is bringing the Vision back that hard?

It is kind of interesting that Wanda brought Clint back twice, but never bothered bringing Vision back once.

[Swie]

It is kind of interesting that Wanda brought Clint back twice, but never bothered bringing Vision back once.If she wants babies, Clint kinda has the advantage...

[XPac]

If she wants babies, Clint kinda has the advantage...

We've got Clint, Vision, Wanda, and a Wanda Doom bot.

There's enough on the table for everyone to walk away happy here.

[Peter F.]

We've got Clint, Vision, Wanda, and a Wanda Doom bot.

There's enough on the table for everyone to walk away happy here.

I'm pretty sure Magneto dismantled Wandabot.

[Swie]

I'm pretty sure Magneto dismantled Wandabot.Doom has 20 more where that came from.

Beside you know Magneto's gonna reassemble her and make her dance.

[ExodusCloak]

If my memory serves me, it was the government that went after Xavier. The X-Men themselves actually were willing to fight to keep Xavier from being taken away until Xavier himself agreed to go.

SO arguing that the X-Men sent Xavier anywhere isn't really accurate. And they certainly didn't try to kill him (or Jean at least the first time), which is kind of what I was getting at with Wanda.

That was Phoenix not Jean. I personally think they should have just left it as Jean but the editors wouldn't allow it.They put Jean in a cacoon, duplicated her body and took a bit of her soul. That wasn't Jean, they swept it under the rug...later on she got bits of her soul and memories back.

[tornshattered]

I don't want to be glass half empty, but even though the story is really interesting, I think the art is worse than it was before. Or is it just me?

[yanapryde]

IF ....and it's a big IF....but IF... somehow Wiccan finds a way to prove that some outside malicious force is responsible (either via longer term dormant possession or continued re-manipulating over time or something) for Wanda's hand in Disassembled and later on in the House of M, there is still the question mark hanging over her power levels, right?

I mean, say that she wasn't in control and something was making her do the things she'd done...again...big IF...but...she's still crazy powerful, so will the heroes want her around in the event she is manipulated again?

Perhaps whatever force was driving her, also augmented her powers (?) which is what drove her crazy in the first place?

Given the heroes belief that Billy should be under observation and/or lock and key, I'm just DYING to find out how they'll reconcile either of them.

[motteditor]

i don't think he told her. you're forgetting that "Jessica" is really just Bendis in a wig. he wrote the story. he should know about it.

Heh. I never heard that, but I may have to steal it. I loathe that that character is at all present in this title. She has absolutely nothing to do with the Avengers and a Bendis Mary Sue shouldn't be involved with trying to fix Wanda after what Bendis did to her. (Or in the YA after what Bendis did to the Avengers, for that matter). She's one of the main reasons I'm not getting this series.

Not pleased that they said Vision's alive, even with the hedging in the statement. Kid Vision is NOT Vision. Different characters.


Since Wanda's actions were due to mental illness, I really don't think it'll take that much to justify her rejoining the team down the line.

People like Jean Grey and Hal Jordon have actually done far worse, in terms of a body count. And they made it back on their perspective teams when the time was right to return them.

Not to mention Wolverine, who's killed far more people, far more often, than Wanda. But it's ludicrous for Wanda to return to the Avengers, unfortunately. This is a group that has now tried to murder her on at least one occasion and done nothing about a so-called member who's tried several other times (and advocated the cold-blooded murder of a teenager who's done nothing wrong). Why in the world would she let herself be associated with that band of thugs? And that's not to mention their so-called helping her by leaving her in a graveyard with a supposedly dead terrorist she loathes. Honestly, she should probably be part of Simon's Revengers.


Quoted for truth. (although it's actually the top 8 mainstays, add Hank Pym to the list :tongue:)

Top Nine. Simon belongs on that list as well. Of course, Bendis is tossing him into the garbage alone with Jan, Vizh, Wanda and Clint now, so yay for that.


IF ....and it's a big IF....but IF... somehow Wiccan finds a way to prove that some outside malicious force is responsible (either via longer term dormant possession or continued re-manipulating over time or something) for Wanda's hand in Disassembled and later on in the House of M, there is still the question mark hanging over her power levels, right?

Well, hopefully this series will also return Wanda to her real, actual powers as per 40 years of comic books, as opposed to the brand new powers Bendis created along with her new personality to have her fit his deck-clearing plot. Problem solved there pretty easily.

[Nomads1]

Top Nine. Simon belongs on that list as well. Of course, Bendis is tossing him into the garbage alone with Jan, Vizh, Wanda and Clint now, so yay for that.



Add She-Hulk, OR Ms. Marvel, and you have a perfect 10.

Peace

[Nomads1]

Huummm! This got me thinking. That's a pretty great line-up.

Cap
Thor
Iron-Man
Wasp
Giant-Man
Scarlet Witch
Hawkeye
Vision
Wonder-Man
She-Hulk (went with Jen because Bendis has used Carol a lot)

I wonder how they fare against Bendis Avengers.

Cage
Spider-Woman
Echo
Wolverine
Spider-Man (he was an Avenger before Bendis, but never so used)
Jewel
Protector
Iron Fist
Thing (same as Spider-Man)
Sentry

What the you guys think? Maybe I should make a thread out of this: The real Avengers vs. Bendis Avengers (Yeah, that's right. Nothing biased about it).

Peace

[Vivica Kang]

This could be Scarlet Witch's last stand because it's been pretty quiet plus these upcoming comics soclits show that it Marvel could be having a trick up their sleeve.

[Master of Sound]

Who is the brown haired woman with Hawkeye, is she an Avenger?

Still no X-people in this mini. I thought Marvel claimed they would be in this mini too.

[yanapryde]

Who is the brown haired woman with Hawkeye, is she an Avenger?

Still no X-people in this mini. I thought Marvel claimed they would be in this mini too.

Beast and Magneto and Wolverine are now all involved.

The woman next to Hawkeye is Jewel, Luke Cage's wife, Jessica. Durr!

[Vic Vega]

If my memory serves me, it was the government that went after Xavier. The X-Men themselves actually were willing to fight to keep Xavier from being taken away until Xavier himself agreed to go.

SO arguing that the X-Men sent Xavier anywhere isn't really accurate. And they certainly didn't try to kill him (or Jean at least the first time), which is kind of what I was getting at with Wanda.

Like I said, odds are SOME of the X-Men will want Wanda dead. Some won't. And the ones that won't will probably get their way.

It is all well and good when somebody else's reality warping friend gets set up to be killed. But when its your friend you fight to the last man to protect her.

I pity the poor fool who tries to tell the Richards family that Franklin(who Galactus is scared of) is too dangerous too live.

[yanapryde]

It is all well and good when somebody else's reality warping friend gets set up to be killed. But when its your friend you fight to the last man to protect her.

I pity the poor fool who tries to tell the Richards family that Franklin(who Galactus is scared of) is too dangerous too live.

THAT would be one helluva sh!t storm of rage, wouldn't it??
Whoa baby!

[Nomads1]

It is all well and good when somebody else's reality warping friend gets set up to be killed. But when its your friend you fight to the last man to protect her.

I pity the poor fool who tries to tell the Richards family that Franklin(who Galactus is scared of) is too dangerous too live.

Send Wolverine to do it.:biggrin:

Peace

[AcesX1X]

franklin has never attempted mass genocide.

[Washout]

franklin has never attempted mass genocide.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries some time. Having Sue Richards for a mother would certainly drive me nuts.

[AcesX1X]

susan is a lovely mother. she even cuts off the crust when she make him a sandwich.

[Washout]

susan is a lovely mother. she even cuts off the crust when she make him a sandwich.

I hope she doesn't use white bread.

[Moriarty]

franklin has never attempted mass genocide.

several years ago, i would have said the same about Scarlet Witch.

[Monty_Cristo]

susan is a lovely mother. she even cuts off the crust when she make him a sandwich.

creepy .....................

[Monty_Cristo]

Who is the brown haired woman with Hawkeye, is she an Avenger?


well children, that is a succubus; a demoness sent from Hell to prey on and suck the life out of men.

[Skaddix]

well children, that is a succubus; a demoness sent from Hell to prey on and suck the life out of men.

Well that is one description although she really has only done it to one man.

[Nomads1]

Well that is one description although she really has only done it to one man.

That we know of. What about Scott Lang? The circunstances surrounding his death were quite suspicious. It seems pretty clear that she has a partner in crime.

Peace

[Monty_Cristo]

Well that is one description although she really has only done it to one man.

Clay Quartermain's never been the same either.

[Swie]

Given the heroes belief that Billy should be under observation and/or lock and key, I'm just DYING to find out how they'll reconcile either of them.They didn't say they were putting him under arrest, they wanted him to stay until they could make sure he was in full control of his powers-- AKA training.

If you accidentally put 100 ppl in a coma I say that's the least you should do. Wiccan just can't take criticism in any form. He is basically a mary sue here.

I don't think Wanda should be getting mad at the Avengers either... I mean yeah they left her with her dad but they left her with Xavier and Strange and Pietro, who are basically the best people to help her, and they had to put her somewhere out of the way. And while it's reprehensible that they're letting Wolverine try to gut her, I doubt ms. Suicide is gonna be lecturing them about it. Though someone should.

[U-Foe]

Aint no poontang like Doombot poontang.








Cap
Thor
Iron-Man
Wasp
Giant-Man
Scarlet Witch
Hawkeye
Vision
Wonder-Man
She-Hulk



Add Ms Marvel and Black Panther and that's my perfect Avengers line-up!

[Mark_S]

This series is beginning to remind me of Avengers Prime.

Mark_S

[Nomads1]

This series is beginning to remind me of Avengers Prime.

Mark_S

Why?

Peace

[Vic Vega]

Aint no poontang like Doombot poontang.


And if it WAS a Doombot, then Clint wasn't taking advantage of the mentally ill/amnesiac.

[Nomads1]

And if it WAS a Doombot, then Clint wasn't taking advantage of the mentally ill/amnesiac.

I didn't read it like that. The Wanda in Transia was a Doombot, but she could have been switched after she met and had sex with Clint. Either way, it doesn't make Clint look any better.:frown:

Peace

[West]

I didn't read it like that. The Wanda in Transia was a Doombot, but she could have been switched after she met and had sex with Clint. Either way, it doesn't make Clint look any better.:frown:

Peace

Steve had sex with a Diamondback LMD once, so I don't think he would judge him

[U-Foe]

It's funny because I remember when this series started, a big deal was made about the fact that Steve was drawn in the wrong costume because he didn't resume the role of Captain America after coming back, but it's been going on so long that Steve will be back in the Cap outfit by the time the series ends.

Since I file my comics in order of event, rather than by the title, I guess I'll put Children's Crusade after Fear Itself but before the upcoming Avengers annuals since Wonderman is in it but has not formed his team of Revengers yet.

[Monty_Cristo]

And if it WAS a Doombot, then Clint wasn't taking advantage of the mentally ill/amnesiac.

you're right. he just thought he was taking advantage of a mentally ill/amnesiac and bragged about it to Jessica Jones.

[Mark_S]

Why?

Peace

Long, drawn out and I am beginning to fear a non-ending. As with that one I don't think that marvel considers this story very important.

Mark_S

[XPac]

It is all well and good when somebody else's reality warping friend gets set up to be killed. But when its your friend you fight to the last man to protect her.

I pity the poor fool who tries to tell the Richards family that Franklin(who Galactus is scared of) is too dangerous too live.

A lot of the top teams do end up having their own insane cosmic level reality warping member pop up sooner or later... so hopefully that'll lead to some level of empathy in at least some cases.

Avengers have Wanda. X-Men have Phoenix. Fantastic Four have Wanda. So they've all been there.

[XPac]

That was Phoenix not Jean. I personally think they should have just left it as Jean but the editors wouldn't allow it.They put Jean in a cacoon, duplicated her body and took a bit of her soul. That wasn't Jean, they swept it under the rug...later on she got bits of her soul and memories back.

Didn't they retcon Phoenix again to actually being Jean though?

I'm not an X guy so maybe I'm wrong about that.

[DeadXMan]

The really funny thing is I'm not certain Clint even seems to mind.

It just shows how dedicated a craftsman Doom is.:tongue:

[Monty_Cristo]

It just shows how dedicated a craftsman Doom is.:tongue:

you call it dedicated. i call it weird. you realize that the dude had to also recreate the various...bodily fluids associated with love making right? just imagine him there; mixing away.

[DeadXMan]

you call it dedicated. i call it weird. you realize that the dude had to also recreate the various...bodily fluids associated with love making right? just imagine him there; mixing away.


The love doll indusatry is reason why Latveria wasn't ruined after doom wars Like wakainda was.

Doom has once again out smarted the Black Panther.

[CMBMOOL]

Long, drawn out and I am beginning to fear a non-ending. As with that one I don't think that marvel considers this story very important.

Mark_S

I must say I would be very upset if THAT happens, I mean I have been waiting for quite some time for Wanda to get what's coming to her from the X-men and others. :mad:

[Nomads1]

you're right. he just thought he was taking advantage of a mentally ill/amnesiac and bragged about it to Jessica Jones.

And THAT'S why I said it doesn't make him look any better. Nothing at all to do with him sleeping or not with a Doombot (although I think I didn't know about Cap's fetiche...)

Peace

[Nomads1]

Didn't they retcon Phoenix again to actually being Jean though?

I'm not an X guy so maybe I'm wrong about that.

Not exactly (I think. With the X-Universe, it's always kind of a wild guess). From what I understand, at some point, Jean absorbed the Phoenix (and the Goblyn Queen)'s memories, in effect remembering everthing they both did as if she had done it. Then, in Morrison's run, it's revealed that Jean has had the Phoenix force inside her for some time, but I don't think he retconned the cocoon story.

Peace

[Nomads1]

Long, drawn out and I am beginning to fear a non-ending. As with that one I don't think that marvel considers this story very important.

Mark_S

I have to addmit I'm a little afraid of that also. Everybody seems to be thinking that this story will be the cure all that will make Wanda right again. T fear a lot of peaople may end up being disappointed. (myself included.)

Peace

[ImmortalIronFist]

you're right. he just thought he was taking advantage of a mentally ill/amnesiac and bragged about it to Jessica Jones.

Still don't really understand this. It's interesting how people can get different reactions from reading the same thing, I never once believed Clint took advantage of Wanda.

[AcesX1X]

Still don't really understand this. It's interesting how people can get different reactions from reading the same thing, I never once believed Clint took advantage of Wanda.

clint likes to kiss and tell.

[Iron Maiden]

I guess it's Flashback time to New Avengers #26 ...

The hair looks too red to be Wanda IMO but then Maleev didn't get Namor's look down very well either in that one shot.



The love doll industry is reason why Latveria wasn't ruined after doom wars Like wakainda was.

Doom has once again out smarted the Black Panther.

LOL...maybe this is the beta version of Wanda. Doom got the hair color wrong when he was distracted by a file photo of Medusa. As for "body fluids", Clint was too addled to notice the difference between the real thing and artificial.





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[ExodusCloak]

Didn't they retcon Phoenix again to actually being Jean though?

I'm not an X guy so maybe I'm wrong about that.

Nope, in fact the latest to touch on the incident was Fraction in Dark Reign: The Cabal. "The Phoenix was Jean, Jean was not the Phoenix there is a difference"

Jean got Maddie's and the PF's memories plus part of her soul back but that wasn't Jean.

[Mark_S]

Nope, in fact the latest to touch on the incident was Fraction in Dark Reign: The Cabal. "The Phoenix was Jean, Jean was not the Phoenix there is a difference"

Jean got Maddie's and the PF's memories plus part of her soul back but that wasn't Jean.

But that is not what they might say a few days from now.

Mark_S

[the Hornet]

The first time Jean returned, no one tried to kill her. She joined X-Factor and eventually the X-Men again, and for the most part people were cool with it.

When Xavier became Onslaught, they didn't try to kill him afterwards either.

So the X-Men can go either way on the matter. Truthfully I imagine some will want to kill her, and others won't (though the ones that don't will likely get their way).

Not saying you are wrong but at the time that jean returned, it was established that she was a seperate entity from the Phoenix who did all those things. i cant bee 100% sure what the official story is now, whether it was Jean corrupted by the Phoenix or something else but I think most people still think that "Dark Phoenix" was not really the real Jean.

As for Onslaught, I think they let it go because of mind corruption as well.

Wanda's case did not seem to be due to her being corrupted or influenced but rather her own mental breakdown. Still, for a person who saved the world hundreds of times, they should be trying to treat her instead of killing her. Why does no one remember Leech, except for when Rogue wants to have sex?:eek:

[Skaddix]

Not saying you are wrong but at the time that jean returned, it was established that she was a seperate entity from the Phoenix who did all those things. i cant bee 100% sure what the official story is now, whether it was Jean corrupted by the Phoenix or something else but I think most people still think that "Dark Phoenix" was not really the real Jean.

As for Onslaught, I think they let it go because of mind corruption as well.

Wanda's case did not seem to be due to her being corrupted or influenced but rather her own mental breakdown. Still, for a person who saved the world hundreds of times, they should be trying to treat her instead of killing her. Why does no one remember Leech, except for when Rogue wants to have sex?:eek:

Well Leech is already containing Franklin. I don't think he can contain two really powerful reality warpers at the same exact time. So not really an option.

As for help. They had Doc Strange and Prof Xavier try and those two failed.

They should let her commit suicide.

[the Hornet]

Man, I bet Clint is g :biggrin:oing to develop a fetish for female synthezoids now

[Swie]

They should let her commit suicide.If she really wants to, none of them can stop her, they don't need to "let" her. On the other hand, she can bring herself back to life. So if she has any kind of doubts about dying, she'd just bring herself back subconsciously. And who wouldn't have doubts about dying.

And encouraging her to kill herself is just low, imo. It's impossible to look at a hero as a hero after they tell a mentally ill friend "yeah for the good of all go and kill yourself!"

[Skaddix]

If she really wants to, none of them can stop her, they don't need to "let" her. On the other hand, she can bring herself back to life. So if she has any kind of doubts about dying, she'd just bring herself back subconsciously. And who wouldn't have doubts about dying.

And encouraging her to kill herself is just low, imo. It's impossible to look at a hero as a hero after they tell a mentally ill friend "yeah for the good of all go and kill yourself!"

Sometimes the tough choices have to be made. This friend just wiped out the mutant population because her dad was a bad dad.

Still i do wonder if Wanda would go off the deep end again if she met Hope.

All I can say is this is issue 6, so we all know this is still going to backfire horribly. Wiccan naturally is unawares but given his current behavior i doubt he cares.

[Vivica Kang]

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What the f?! Since when did Wanda go red hair on everyone? That skrull was a dumb one.:eek:

[Swie]

Sometimes the tough choices have to be made. This friend just wiped out the mutant population because her dad was a bad dad.

Still i do wonder if Wanda would go off the deep end again if she met Hope.

All I can say is this is issue 6, so we all know this is still going to backfire horribly. Wiccan naturally is unawares but given his current behavior i doubt he cares.and because she wasn't in her right mind. I mean sure in reality, I'd say yeah making her want to kill herself through a guilt-trip is probably a good way of dealing with her.

In comics where these characters have certain standards I'd find it distasteful and gross, and I wouldn't want to read it or to read them congratulating themselves on another job well done (or angsting about how they had no other way). I'd at least prefer they find some way to kill her honestly.

I'm still hoping it backfires in the sense that Wiccan's words don't mean anything to her and he finally gets it that having her babies back doesn't magically cure her, not that there is no cure. I hope they don't tank Wanda's redemption just to teach some brat a lesson.

[Skaddix]

and because she wasn't in her right mind. I mean sure in reality, I'd say yeah making her want to kill herself through a guilt-trip is probably a good way of dealing with her.

In comics where these characters have certain standards I'd find it distasteful and gross, and I wouldn't want to read it or to read them congratulating themselves on another job well done (or angsting about how they had no other way). I'd at least prefer they find some way to kill her honestly.

I'm still hoping it backfires in the sense that Wiccan's words don't mean anything to her and he finally gets it that having her babies back doesn't magically cure her, not that there is no cure. I hope they don't tank Wanda's redemption just to teach some brat a lesson.

Alright then agreed.

Hmm interesting point.

Its going to tank no redemption until the end if any.