Obama Administration Fails On Promise To Put Solar Panels On White House Roof By June

[longdecember]

Obama Administration Fails On Promise To Put Solar Panels On White House Roof By June 21

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/solar-panels-white-house-roof_n_880940.html

How did he spend the weekend? Oh that's right playing golf with Boehner.

We seriously need a 3rd party in the USA.

[RolandJP]

2 wars (10 years in duration). BP Oil Spill. Tornadoes. Floods. An economic collapse. And peeps wanna waste time on Solar Panels.


AT this point Im waiting for this headline. "Obama comes in second at hotdog eating contest"

[longdecember]

2 wars (10 years in duration). BP Oil Spill. Tornadoes. Floods. An economic collapse. And peeps wanna waste time on Solar Panels.


AT this point Im waiting for this headline. "Obama comes in second at hotdog eating contest"

Oh I know he is a busy guy. But the people who were to put this project in were not working on Afganistan, the oil spill, floods, etc.

Michelle got the garden in, and still got the rest of her stuff done.

Edit: from the article


Clearly it's disheartening, because when they want to, this administration gets things done ... much harder things than this. It doesn't require SEAL Team Six to put up the solar panels,

[Slam_Bradley]

How did he spend the weekend? Oh that's right playing golf with Boehner.



Did you expect him to be on the White House roof swinging a hammer installing them?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That no good...piece of shiiiiiit. Obama ...you have failed us here. Solar Panels on the White House not happening ? WHAT THE FUCK ?!!


I demand we impeach Obama over this. Who is with me ?

[xgeek52]

*bows to superE and others*

thank you for pointing out the absurdity...

[Gary_B]

The President of the United States of America promised to do something and then didn't follow through? It was bound to happen sooner or later. I'm outraged. Outraged, I tell you!

[Disrupter]

I'm honestly not surprised.

[longdecember]

*bows to superE and others*

thank you for pointing out the absurdity...

yup.


"The White House will lead by example," United States Secretary of Energy Steven Chu said during remarks at the GreenGov Symposium on Oct. 5, 2010. "I'm pleased to announce that by the end of this spring, there will be solar panels that convert sunlight to energy and a solar hot water heater on the roof of the White House."

What has changed so significantly in the wars, the economy, etc. since October, that the Energy Secretary could not get this done? Did they have to invent the solar panel? Did he have to go fight in Afghanistan? Did the Ozone layer heal itself?

I am not bashing the Dems any more than the Pubs. We need a 3rd party. That is my point.

[Disrupter]

I'm honestly not surprised at all.

Edit: Crap, I double posted. Sorry about that.

[Ben D]

How did he spend the weekend? Oh that's right playing golf with Boehner.


so you'd rather have obama work on things that don't concern non-partisan issues, and helping the economy on weekends?

[longdecember]

so you'd rather have obama work on things that don't concern non-partisan issues, and helping the economy on weekends?

Part of the economic recovery plan is to include green jobs.

[Ben D]

Part of the economic recovery plan is to include green jobs.

But not the only part. Obama was talking about other parts with Boehner

[Slam_Bradley]

I am not bashing the Dems any more than the Pubs. We need a 3rd party. That is my point.


We have third parties. And you're not saying anything about how this alleged third party would make any difference with regard to this particular problem.

[thwhtGuardian]

Part of the economic recovery plan is to include green jobs.

How many jobs would putting up some panels on the White House really create?

Plus how much would the panels actually save as compared to how much it would cost to install and maintain them?

[longdecember]

How many jobs would putting up some panels on the White House really create?

One would probably be enough for the person who got it.



Plus how much would the panels actually save as compared to how much it would cost to install and maintain them?

Probably should ask the Secretary of Energy. I doubt the cost benefit, even if political/symbolic, changed since the announcement in October. Along those lines, how much would the veggies in the white house garden sell for if they were sold on the open market?

"Do. Or do not do. There is no try."

[Iangould]

The Energy Department remains on the path to complete the White House solar demonstration project, in keeping with our commitment, and we look forward to sharing more information—including additional details on the timing of this project—after the competitive procurement process is completed.

They're coming, it's just taking longer than intended.

But I agree, this is obviously far more important than negotiations with Boehner over authorisation for military action in Libya or raising the debt ceiling.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Whats absurd is ...its solar panels ...I'm sure on the list of important shit :

1.) Economy

2.) Greece

3.) Terrorism

4.) Afghanistan


Solar panels on the White House ranks about next to , recycling at the White House.

[Donald M.]

I am not bashing the Dems any more than the Pubs. We need a 3rd party. That is my point.

There are plenty of parties that aren't the Democrats or the Republicans, but not enough people vote for them.

To get anyone to vote for them they'd need to be just like the Democrats and the Republicans, then you'd be complaining that we need a fourth party.

What I'm saying is, having a viable third party changes nothing unless you can also figure out a way to change the way people think and vote.

[longdecember]

We have third parties. And you're not saying anything about how this alleged third party would make any difference with regard to this particular problem.

Because the two party system in the USA always gives the politicians somebody easy to blame. Divide and conquer. Or as I am learning from some of the smarter people here "False Dichotomy"

[longdecember]

There are plenty of parties that aren't the Democrats or the Republicans, but not enough people vote for them.

To get anyone to vote for them they'd need to be just like the Democrats and the Republicans, then you'd be complaining that we need a fourth party.

What I'm saying is, having a viable third party changes nothing unless you can also figure out a way to change the way people think and vote.

See above. False Dichotomy. Divide and conquer. People here say I do it all the time, but at least I am trying to learn. Why can't the american people?

Also, did anybody catch Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC last night supporting Ron Paul's idea about marriage equality? Ron Paul is about as 3rd party as it gets, and got a partial/qualified nod from a relatively progressive journalist.

[Donald M.]

Because the two party system in the USA always gives the politicians somebody easy to blame. Divide and conquer. Or as I am learning from some of the smarter people here "False Dichotomy"

Adding a viable third party to the mix doesn't really change this though, unless you think increasing the number of potential scapegoats by a whopping one is going to make the whole thing so complicated that the politicians will just give up and start actually having honest discourse about the issues.

[longdecember]

Adding a viable third party to the mix doesn't really change this though, unless you think increasing the number of potential scapegoats by a whopping one is going to make the whole thing so complicated that the politicians will just give up and start actually having honest discourse about the issues.

I see your point. But the next step that feet make after the left one and the right one is usually in the forward direction.

[Donald M.]

See above. False Dichotomy. Divide and conquer. People here say I do it all the time, but at least I am trying to learn. Why can't the american people?


So then . . . you agree with me that people need to change before your idea has any merit?

[Donald M.]

I see your point. But the next step that feet make after the left one and the right one is usually in the forward direction.

Um . . . okay. Sure, why not?

[USArmyParatrooper]

Obama Administration Fails On Promise To Put Solar Panels On White House Roof By June 21

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/solar-panels-white-house-roof_n_880940.html

How did he spend the weekend? Oh that's right playing golf with Boehner.

We seriously need a 3rd party in the USA.

There is one. And Bush thanks that party greatly.

And you seriously think any person of any party would be able to keep every promise made during a campaign? I love puritans.

[longdecember]

Um . . . okay. Sure, why not?

let me do it another way. I can not find the clip on youtube but the scene is from Braveheart.

The old man (representing the people) tanks an arrow. They get a hot poker ready to cauterize the wound. They pull out the arrow.

#1: "You do it, I'll hold him down" (passes the hot poker and goes to the left)
#2: "You do it, I'll hold him down" (passes the hot poker and goes to the right)
#3: Does the right thing cauterizes the wound, but takes a beating from the old man for it.

[thwhtGuardian]

One would probably be enough for the person who got it.



Probably should ask the Secretary of Energy. I doubt the cost benefit, even if political/symbolic, changed since the announcement in October. Along those lines, how much would the veggies in the white house garden sell for if they were sold on the open market?

"Do. Or do not do. There is no try."

Eh, the even one is enough argument doesn't really fly if you're going try to say that not putting up the solar panels is a contradiction to the green jobs for economic recovery. If this project represented multiple sustainable jobs? Sure, but that seems unlikely.

And as for the veggies? Yeah they are symbolic much like the solar panels...but unlike the panels they only cost a couple dollars to buy and maintain. They're hardly the same thing.

This is just a silly complaint over all.

[Ben D]

I love puritans.

What does that have to do with anything?

[longdecember]

Eh, the even one is enough argument doesn't really fly if you're going try to say that not putting up the solar panels is a contradiction to the green jobs for economic recovery. If this project represented multiple sustainable jobs? Sure, but that seems unlikely.

And as for the veggies? Yeah they are symbolic much like the solar panels...but unlike the panels they only cost a couple dollars to buy and maintain. They're hardly the same thing.

This is just a silly complaint over all.

Then why did it reach the visibility of the Secretary of Energy if it was silly?

[Ben D]

Then why did it reach the visibility of the Secretary of Energy if it was silly?

Do you know how much petitions and such all the Secretaries of our country get thrown at them all the time?

[thwhtGuardian]

Then why did it reach the visibility of the Secretary of Energy if it was silly?

The idea isn't silly, your complaint is. It's no big deal that they haven't been installed yet, certainly not a large enough gaffe to warrant your remark that we desperately need a third party.

In the grand scheme of things Obama should be worrying about installing solar panels on the White House is only slightly above him personally sending me a card on my birthday. But only just slightly.

[longdecember]

Do you know how much petitions and such all the Secretaries of our country get thrown at them all the time?

yeah, but he adopted this one. he had his own staff work on it. Check out the article. Or post a better one (for my benefit) if the huffpost is getting it wrong.

[Ben D]

The idea isn't silly, your complaint is. It's no big deal that they haven't been installed yet, certainly not a large enough gaffe to warrant your remark that we desperately need a third party.

Actually I think the third party remark was a complaint about Obama and Boehner golfing.

[Ben D]

yeah, but he adopted this one. he had his own staff work on it. Check out the article. Or post a better one (for my benefit) if the huffpost is getting it wrong.

He adopted this one. It doesn't mean it's the only thing he's working on at the moment.

[thwhtGuardian]

Actually I think the third party remark was a complaint about Obama and Boehner golfing.

Which was there to try and say that's what he was doing instead of putting panels on the roof.

[longdecember]

The idea isn't silly, your complaint is. It's no big deal that they haven't been installed yet, certainly not a large enough gaffe to warrant your remark that we desperately need a third party.

In the grand scheme of things Obama should be worrying about installing solar panels on the White House is just slightly above him personally sending me a card on my birthday. But only just slightly.

fair enough. but it seems most of the things we complain about here, for many many years seem to be the same, regardless of the party that is in power. They never get solved. perhaps a false dichotomy is the two party system?



1.) Economy

2.) Greece

3.) Terrorism

4.) Afghanistan

[Ben D]

Which was there to try and say that's what he was doing instead of putting panels on the roof.

Well, yes but I also looked at it as the nothing's getting done with bi-partisanship.

[longdecember]

Well, yes but I also looked at it as the nothing's getting done with bi-partisanship.

Agreed. We have been in these wars and poor economy under both parties. And no matter who you blame for getting us in these situations, it was one of the two parties. False Dichotomy.

[7thangel]

everybody knows, once you have a third party everything gets solved.

a fourth, heaven on earth

a fifth, orgies for everybody

[Ben D]

everybody knows, once you have a third party everything gets solved.

a fourth, heaven on earth

a fifth, orgies for everybody

and the six: the film batman and robin is wiped from everybody's memory.

[longdecember]

and the six: the film batman and robin is wiped from everybody's memory.


7. Cynthia McKinney really, seriously, needs to be punched repeatedly in the face.

She ran as the green party candidate. I don't think you guys understand what the word false dichotomy means.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

and the six: the film batman and robin is wiped from everybody's memory.

The idea that this is more appealing than the two mention before this.. is so true.

[Nick Soapdish]

There are plenty of parties that aren't the Democrats or the Republicans, but not enough people vote for them.

To get anyone to vote for them they'd need to be just like the Democrats and the Republicans, then you'd be complaining that we need a fourth party.

What I'm saying is, having a viable third party changes nothing unless you can also figure out a way to change the way people think and vote.

They don't need to be just like the Republicans or Democrats, but not being nuts would be a start. Or maybe acting nuts is the only way that they can get attention, but I wouldn't trust any of the candidates that I've seen on any political level.

Then again, a fair number of Republicans and Democrats are also nuts.

[Iangould]

In a first past the post voting system, the emergence of a thrid party typically results not in greater choice or accountability but in one the two pre-existing major parties having their vote split and the other major party becoming the semi-permanent party of government.

People in the US who want more political choice first need to fix the voting system.

[RatFace]

See above. False Dichotomy. Divide and conquer. People here say I do it all the time, but at least I am trying to learn. Why can't the american people?

Also, did anybody catch Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC last night supporting Ron Paul's idea about marriage equality? Ron Paul is about as 3rd party as it gets, and got a partial/qualified nod from a relatively progressive journalist.

Ron Paul's a Republican, that doesn't sound very 3rd party to me.

And as to the OP, do you mean to tell me that a politician didn't accomplish something he promised to do? How shocking.

[Tom]

Sounds like someone took the "Liberals are disappointed with Obama" story at face value.

[marvell2100]

Obama Administration Fails On Promise To Put Solar Panels On White House Roof By June 21

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/solar-panels-white-house-roof_n_880940.html

How did he spend the weekend? Oh that's right playing golf with Boehner.

We seriously need a 3rd party in the USA.

That's my fault. I asked 'Bama to help me with a few projects over the weekend. I was sanding and refinishing my deck while building a firepit and a water feature in my back yard. Didn't you see us on Yard Crashers?

[worstblogever]

While "start of summer" means June 21st for most, maybe he was speaking in broad strokes and meant, "Sometime by July".


But I mean, C'mon, calling him out over this? Lame.

[thwhtGuardian]

fair enough. but it seems most of the things we complain about here, for many many years seem to be the same, regardless of the party that is in power. They never get solved. perhaps a false dichotomy is the two party system?

It seems more like a false conclusion to jump to.

[longdecember]

Sounds like someone took the "Liberals are disappointed with Obama" story at face value.

Yes! Finally somebody who is not just reacting, but is also thinking.

Paul has been educating me on two major concepts.

Liberal is a scope within the political spectrum that encompass progressive to conservative idealologies, but stops short on each end of subversive/regressive systems such as Fascism and Communism.

False Dichotomy is an argumentative technique setting up two seeming diametrically opposed sides, to the end that progress twords real solutions are obscured/obstructed. (either intentionally or negligently)

And then there is my innate aversion to people who threaten or actually use violence to subvert (non hate speak) ideas.

[longdecember]

It seems more like a false conclusion to jump to.

tried to cover it in above post.

[longdecember]

Ron Paul's a Republican, that doesn't sound very 3rd party to me.

And as to the OP, do you mean to tell me that a politician didn't accomplish something he promised to do? How shocking.

I meant Ron Paul is one the few highly visible people who openly advocate for 3rd parties. He consistently sponsors 3rd party activities including the "unofficial" presidential debates in the last few elections on CSPAN.

He admits the only reason he is a republican is to get on the ballots in the presidential elections. You know the pubs scorn him, especially if guys like MSNBCs Lawrence O'Donnell give him props.

And as far as the President not getting it done. Not all his fault, but they spent the money on the research to do it. So do it! Need something, even small, to show (non-military) leadership on in this crappy economy.

[USArmyParatrooper]

I worked in the private sector in an industry that is very sensitive to the economy (the semiconductor industry). During this period I had been through a number of recessions, and even the "small" ones would take about a year or so to recover from.

With that being said, what President Obama interited was fricking epic. It absolutely dwarfed anything I had experienced. The entire financial system on the brink of a meltdown - to include the big names like Bank of America. The entire American automotive industry on the verge of total collapse. Job losses snowballing month after month, getting bigger and bigger - reaching 750,000 lost jobs per month when President Obama took over.

Now, for about a year and a half (give or take) we've had positive jobs growth every month. Granted amount of jobs gained is a slow trickle, but the fact that we've already been talking about the pace of the recovery is amazing.

And all of this with the Republican opposition working in militant unity to block every single thing the President and the Democrats want to accomplish.

"Here's a bill that will -" NO!

"But you cosponsored this very same bi -" NO!

"Um.. OK... well here's some mundane, non-controversial appointments that will fill-" NO!

And of course these "NO!" Republicans voted against, and spoke out against simulous money - saying they created "no jobs" while asking for stimulous money touting the jobs they created in their letters. Not ot mention showing up to ribbon cutting ceremonies for projects completed using stimulous money they opposed. Let us not forget showing up to visit GM plants after opposing bailing out GM.

[Vic Vega]

This would make a really good sitcom episode.

So who is the wacky neighbor?

[finfangfool]

Is it disappointing? Yep. Is it so serious we need to change the entire political system over it, or even make it the basis of reconsidering whether we should reelect the guy? Not at all. If you want to go that route, how about being disappointed by our "pull out" of Iraq which kept 10s of thousands of troops and permanent bases there? Or how about the continuing use of Guantanamo Bay to illegally hold prisoners of war indefinitely without a trial (whatever the previous administration, and to be fair now the current one, may have chosen to label them in order to muddle legal details and get away with, if not murder, torture and illegal imprisonment)?

How about the half measure healthcare law that not only doesn't provide 100% healthcare for all (as an opt-in Medicare-for-all could have), but it doesn't even take care of one of the biggest issues it was supposed to fix: preexisting conditions. They're not banned, insurance companies are just fined heavily if they don't cover them (though in many cases, not so heavily that it would be cost-prohibitive to drop coverage). How about railing against the Patriot Act in the campaign, only to use statements like "the safety of our nation depends upon the renewal of this Act" recently? Far better things to worry about than solar panels.

[longdecember]

And all of this with the Republican opposition working in militant unity to block every single thing the President and the Democrats want to accomplish.



Exactly. No matter what label anyone wants to put on me I am not a democrat or a republican. I am progressive on some things and conservative on others.

The republicans signed a "Norquist pledge" stating they will not vote for anything that "raises" taxes. What that really means is that the republicans like the set of loopholes as it is set up now in the tax code and can use a bunch of lawyers to pay no taxes.

On the democratic side, they are more flexible, but they still (IMHO) pander to constituents with crap that even poor people should not need or want, and generally keep expanding government such that people become less and less self reliant, and do not plan appropriately for the future, cause they think there will be some new subsidy dribbled out of washington.

That's where if a 3rd party could take hold, at even 10%, they could be the swing vote for the cage match bullshit. They could tell the people "we voted this way cause in this case the dems/pubs were simply out for revenge, and that does not help anybody but themselves."

It is pretty much the way everywhere else in the world runs their governments. But the USA and Jamaica got that "exceptional-ism" thing going.

[longdecember]

Is it disappointing? Yep. Is it so serious we need to change the entire political system over it, or even make it the basis of reconsidering whether we should reelect the guy? Not at all.

....

Far better things to worry about than solar panels.

Sure. But if partisanship keeps the guy from doing something that the other party could not legitimately stop him from doing, what type of system of government is that?

What other major country in the world, other than Jamaica, has a two-party system of government? Where legislatures have less than 1% third party representation?

[USArmyParatrooper]

how about being disappointed by our "pull out" of Iraq which kept 10s of thousands of troops and permanent bases there? Or how about the continuing use of Guantanamo Bay to illegally hold prisoners of war indefinitely without a trial (whatever the previous administration, and to be fair now the current one, may have chosen to label them in order to muddle legal details and get away with, if not murder, torture and illegal imprisonment)?

How about the half measure healthcare law that not only doesn't provide 100% healthcare for all (as an opt-in Medicare-for-all could have), but it doesn't even take care of one of the biggest issues it was supposed to fix: preexisting conditions. They're not banned, insurance companies are just fined heavily if they don't cover them (though in many cases, not so heavily that it would be cost-prohibitive to drop coverage). How about railing against the Patriot Act in the campaign, only to use statements like "the safety of our nation depends upon the renewal of this Act" recently? Far better things to worry about than solar panels.

Obama flatout said the pullout would be a phased withdrawal and that after the 16 month timeline there would be a residual force left behind.

There ARE NO PERMINANT US BASES in Iraq.

After multiple attempts to close Gitmo, including an executive order to do so (almost immediately after he took office) - both sides of the isle in Congress opposed him every step of the way, even stripping funding for closure and relocation from the appropriations bill.

No form of single-payer, including "medicare for all" ever had even the slightest chance of making it through congress. The bill that did pass did so with the slimest of margins.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Exactly. No matter what label anyone wants to put on me I am not a democrat or a republican. I am progressive on some things and conservative on others.

The republicans signed a "Norquist pledge" stating they will not vote for anything that "raises" taxes. What that really means is that the republicans like the set of loopholes as it is set up now in the tax code and can use a bunch of lawyers to pay no taxes.

On the democratic side, they are more flexible, but they still (IMHO) pander to constituents with crap that even poor people should not need or want, and generally keep expanding government such that people become less and less self reliant, and do not plan appropriately for the future, cause they think there will be some new subsidy dribbled out of washington.

That's where if a 3rd party could take hold, at even 10%, they could be the swing vote for the cage match bullshit. They could tell the people "we voted this way cause in this case the dems/pubs were simply out for revenge, and that does not help anybody but themselves."

It is pretty much the way everywhere else in the world runs their governments. But the USA and Jamaica got that "exceptional-ism" thing going.

I would favor a four party system, containing Democrats, Republicans, Green Party and Libertarian.

Let the extremists flock to the Green and Libertarian parties, and then the center left and right parties can then resume rational conversations.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't think you guys understand what the word false dichotomy means.

i understand that you are more anti-Obama than you are pro-third party.

[longdecember]

I would favor a four party system, containing Democrats, Republicans, Green Party and Libertarian.

Let the extremists flock to the Green and Libertarian parties, and then the center left and right parties can then resume rational conversations.

Do you know of any countries in the world that have a two party system? you seem well traveled.

Edit: or anyone else who has traveled around the world.

[longdecember]

i understand that you are more anti-Obama than you are pro-third party.

Why do you say that? I have more against Bush II & Clinton policy than I do against Obama's. You are going to have to trust me on that, or not.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Do you know of any countries in the world that have a two party system? you seem well traveled.

Edit: or anyone else who has traveled around the world.

For pleasure I've been to Mexico and Jamaica. For "work" I've been to Iraq, only touching down in Ireland and Germany along the way. I'm not very well versed on foreign governments.

With that being said, how would you feel about three viable parties (in actuality there's a bunch) if they consisted of the Democrats, Republicans, and "Tea Party"? Would you support such a thing knowing the conservative split would give the Democrats a huge edge?

[Kid Omega]

Do you know of any countries in the world that have a two party system? you seem well traveled.

Edit: or anyone else who has traveled around the world.

Are you aware that we are not a "two party system"?

There are two dominant parties, but other parties show up on the ballots all the time.

You seem to think that there is a lever somewhere that will just create a third party, with viable, sane candidates, billions of campaign dollars, and working internal systems. And voters that want them.

[longdecember]

For pleasure I've been to Mexico and Jamaica. For "work" I've been to Iraq, only touching down in Ireland and Germany along the way. I'm not very well versed on foreign governments.

With that being said, how would you feel about three viable parties (in actuality there's a bunch) if they consisted of the Democrats, Republicans, and "Tea Party"? Would you support such a thing knowing the conservative split would give the Democrats a huge edge?


All I can tell you is that I voted for Perot, and Clinton won. I voted for Nader and Bush II one. And Clinton and Bush II set in motion some of the most disastrous, heavy handed policies in history, that Obama is cleaning up.

The two-party system requires these folks to be heavy handed. It is winner take all. They know if they lose it is 4 years before they get back in. Parliamentary systems can have votes of no confidence and smooth transitions to new governments.

Hopefully some of our fellow members have traveled and can provide examples of other two-party systems.

[Paul McEnery]

All I can tell you is that I voted for Perot, and Clinton won. I voted for Nader and Bush II one. And Clinton and Bush II set in motion some of the most disastrous, heavy handed policies in history, that Obama is cleaning up.

The two-party system requires these folks to be heavy handed. It is winner take all. They know if they lose it is 4 years before they get back in. Parliamentary systems can have votes of no confidence and smooth transitions to new governments.

Hopefully some of our fellow members have traveled and can provide examples of other two-party systems.

There are precisely no countries in the world that have a two-party system. None. Zip. Nada. Including the US.

[longdecember]

There are precisely no countries in the world that have a two-party system. None. Zip. Nada. Including the US.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system

Thanks Paul. Did you check out O'Donnell's bit last night about Marriage Equality?

I know, there are never any equal marriages, ever. There are dominating/cuckold men/women and all permutations in between. but there are no and has never been any equality in marriage :biggrin:

[Acecool]

Did they have to invent the solar panel? Did he have to go fight in Afghanistan? Did the Ozone layer heal itself?



Could be that new tech is soon to be available such as print on solar panels. They may have waited to see if there is a major improvement in the tech coming up and would rather draw attention to it instead of the old tech.

[longdecember]

Could be that new tech is soon to be available such as print on solar panels. They may have waited to see if there is a major improvement in the tech coming up and would rather draw attention to it instead of the old tech.

Is this true? Link would be appreciated. as I read it, they have not even got started


The date of the solar panel installation might not be decided until September or later, according to Brad Johnson of ThinkProgress.

Leadership on high tech stuff like this requires iteration. Good engineering would put things like the grid and other infrastructure parts in place, even if less than optimum sub-components are soon to be superceeded.

Rachel Maddow had an awesome piece on the new pope mobile tonight. Pope wants fully electric car. It can't be done right now due to requirements, so they are going to make a hybrid.

[longdecember]

Are you aware that we are not a "two party system"?

There are two dominant parties, but other parties show up on the ballots all the time.


None of the alternative parties have a voice. Guys like Bernie Sanders, Lieberman are marginalized. Fringe members of the two parties like Ron Paul and Kucinich are openly mocked. And not based on the merits of their arguments, but through various "character" or "psychological" deficiencies.



You seem to think that there is a lever somewhere that will just create a third party, with viable, sane candidates, billions of campaign dollars, and working internal systems. And voters that want them.

I don't know. This is a forum for folks who appreciate great works of literature. And the Bard was pretty good at pulling the "A pox on both your houses" lever. and from what hear (I am old, but not that old) The people wanted it, and it echos through parliaments around the globe frequently. Not so much in the US of A.

[Aubergine~!]

Threads like this remind me how disappointed I was when I found out Boehner wasn't pronounced how I thought it was pronounced.

And here I had a few 'Obama playing with his Boehner' jokes all ready to go.

*sigh*

[GozertheGozarian]

Until he became Speaker of the House and started getting TV time, it was pronounced exactly how you think it was.

[Iangould]

And then there is my innate aversion to people who threaten or actually use violence to subvert (non hate speak) ideas.

What McKinney did - making speeches in favor of Gaddafi and defending him at the very time his thugs are massacring hundreds of people a day (not an exaggeration that's the figure provided by a worker in the Tripoli morgue) was far more odious than any amount of "hate speak".

[Ben D]

There are two dominant parties, but other parties show up on the ballots all the time.

We have parties within the two dominant party as well.