View Full Version : Bette Kane: Flamebird????
Winghead
06-13-2011, 05:43 PM
How long before Nightwing becomes Nightwing and Flamebird?
RonnieThunderbolts
06-13-2011, 06:05 PM
How long before Nightwing becomes Nightwing and Flamebird?
Bette Kane has been Flamebird since the first Crisis. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever that the new Nightwing series becomes Nightwing and Flamebird, especially since Bette as Flamebird is going to be a supporting character in Kate Kane's Batwoman book.
Jabare
06-13-2011, 06:10 PM
Bette Kane isn't a big enough character at the moment to warrant her own co-title. I don't see what she would bring to the Nightwing book unless they retconned her or made her a love interest.
MajorHoy
06-13-2011, 06:26 PM
I understand the original reasoning behind the "Flamebird" name for her, but since DC has already used "Nightwing and Flamebird" for at least two other Kryptonian-related pairings in the 21st century, do you think DC could come up with a different code-name for Bette these days? (This "reboot-that's-not-a-reboot" change would be the perfect time to try!)
P.S. - Hopefully they won't pair her up with Dick anytime soon.
shingi70
06-13-2011, 06:40 PM
Bette Kane isn't a big enough character at the moment to warrant her own co-title. I don't see what she would bring to the Nightwing book unless they retconned her or made her a love interest.
She's been rebooted into a younger hero who's trying to become batwoman's sidekick.
She's been rebooted into a younger hero who's trying to become batwoman's sidekick.
And that's too bad since she's been doing the hero thing a lot longer than Kate. I hope they make her a full partner, not a sidekick. But who knows what will happen in the new DC.
Munkiman
06-13-2011, 07:14 PM
And that's too bad since she's been doing the hero thing a lot longer than Kate. I hope they make her a full partner, not a sidekick. But who knows what will happen in the new DC.
I don't think they're removing the idea of Bette having done the superhero thing longer than Kate, but she's still younger - she's college age, while Kate seems to be about thirty.
Anyway, yeah. Bette has nothing to do with Nightwing and everything to do with Batwoman. I'm personally hoping she becomes hyphenated Bat-Girl as her cousin's partner/sidekick. :biggrin:
Winghead
06-13-2011, 07:43 PM
I thought maybe a tighter Batwoman/Nightwing connection or partnership might have something to do with Nightwing wearing red instead of Blue. Maybe i'm off base about the Flamebird thing.
Munkiman
06-13-2011, 08:05 PM
Somehow I doubt that Batwoman will suddenly become so inspiring to Dick over the course of a few issues. Still, interesting idea.
shingi70
06-13-2011, 08:14 PM
Does Batman get a new origin? I mean she first appeared in a series that doesn't take place anymore.
also any news on if any of the batbooks will have backup stories?
How long before Nightwing becomes Nightwing and Flamebird?
Now, how awesome would it be for Flamebird to be the original one: Jimmy Olsen? :)
Munkiman
06-13-2011, 08:23 PM
Does Batman get a new origin? I mean she first appeared in a series that doesn't take place anymore.
also any news on if any of the batbooks will have backup stories?
Post-Crisis Bette was never Bat-Girl, only teen hero Flamebird. Is that what you're asking about?
shingi70
06-13-2011, 08:26 PM
Post-Crisis Bette was never Bat-Girl, only teen hero Flamebird. Is that what you're asking about?
Batwoman she appeared in 52 which never happened now so does she get a new origin story.
Munkiman
06-13-2011, 08:28 PM
Batwoman she appeared in 52 which never happened now so does she get a new origin story.
Nobody has said that 52 never happened. It's not a reboot.
Also, Batwoman's origin isn't in 52, just her first appearance. Her origin was told in Detective Comics.
Jabare
06-13-2011, 08:42 PM
Now, how awesome would it be for Flamebird to be the original one: Jimmy Olsen? :)
Ugh!!!! God please no!!!! I thought there was an unwritten rule not to bring that up again
Munkiman
06-13-2011, 08:59 PM
Ugh!!!! God please no!!!! I thought there was an unwritten rule not to bring that up again
I for one am extremely upset that DC didn't use this relaunch as an opportunity to bring back the original Nightwing: Clark Kent! Who is this Dick Grayson punk? All the real, classic stories about Nightwing have Clark in the costume, everyone knows this!
I don't think they're removing the idea of Bette having done the superhero thing longer than Kate, but she's still younger - she's college age, while Kate seems to be about thirty.
Anyway, yeah. Bette has nothing to do with Nightwing and everything to do with Batwoman. I'm personally hoping she becomes hyphenated Bat-Girl as her cousin's partner/sidekick. :biggrin:
Yes, I know Kate is older. I was just saying that Bette *should* be more experienced. Bette just never got respect. I was really hoping that she would be shown more when she "got serious" in the Beast Boy mini years ago.
You know, I wouldn't mind her going back to Bat-Girl..can't see DC doing that though. Seeing as she is one of Gil Kane's creations who has survived all of the hiccups DC has had, they can give her a little more love. :wink:
Vidocq
06-14-2011, 12:12 PM
I totally forgot she even existed. I was a second away to look her up in Wikipedia even.
Winghead
06-14-2011, 12:27 PM
I guess having Dick and her team up for an arc, just for the sake of putting Nightwing and Flamebird on the cover would work too
OberonOsiris
06-14-2011, 01:47 PM
Oberon here,
From the reading of Batman, INC., it is not so easy to say that "Bat-Girl" was erased out of continuity. We don't know how, but it appears that a fix will be in.
So why not (or maybe eventually) Nightwing and Flamebird?
Batman and Nightwing, other "bat" characters often appear in a number of comics, so why should Flamebird be limited to "Batwoman"?
Also, for what its worth, the idea that Bat-Girl was interested in Robin (Dick, at that time) held through with some of the revision of Flamebird in the post -Crisis stories.
My own particular idea is that Bat-girl or Flamebird is about to get more interesting. It is clear that something of her past haunts her, from the final issues of "Cutter" in Detective a year or so back. Now what could that be?
Since her immediate appearances as Flamebird did not show they had a previous relationship, of sorts(but Batman, InC. shows it), and because some of those INC stories involve resolving or reimagining those trippy early '60s stories, my own guess is something made her forget she knew Robin and Batman from before. Has she ever mentioned the original Batwoman?
I think when all is said and done there will be a reason, a good one and story too, that will fill in the blanks.
Maybe the eventual team-up will happen. It need not give her title billing, but if there can be "Batman" comic and "Batman and Robin" comic
then why can't there a second, Nightwing and Flamebird comic?
Munkiman
06-14-2011, 05:03 PM
I think Betty Kane and Bette Kane are now separate characters, just as Kathy and Kate are. Though you never know.
Yes, I know Kate is older. I was just saying that Bette *should* be more experienced. Bette just never got respect. I was really hoping that she would be shown more when she "got serious" in the Beast Boy mini years ago.
You know, I wouldn't mind her going back to Bat-Girl..can't see DC doing that though. Seeing as she is one of Gil Kane's creations who has survived all of the hiccups DC has had, they can give her a little more love. :wink:
Yeah, but nobody said she isn't more experienced. She is. In the Batwoman comic, too, or at least it's implied.
I guess having Dick and her team up for an arc, just for the sake of putting Nightwing and Flamebird on the cover would work too
But is Nightwing and Flamebird together actually a selling point? I don't think many people care.
RonnieThunderbolts
06-14-2011, 05:58 PM
I think Betty Kane and Bette Kane are now separate characters, just as Kathy and Kate are. Though you never know.
With there being a connection between all the Kanes, and how both Betty and Bette are supposed to be just a little younger than Dick Grayson, and fan girls who wanted to emulate/impress him and founded the Titans West, I think their origins and beginning adventures are similar/common enough to warrant them being the same character, as opposed to Kate and Kathy, who are different in almost every way other than their real and superhero names.
I think Betty Kane and Bette Kane are now separate characters, just as Kathy and Kate are. Though you never know.
Yeah, but nobody said she isn't more experienced. She is. In the Batwoman comic, too, or at least it's implied.
What I was responding to was the idea that Bette would be Kate's sidekick. Sidekick in the DCU is usually someone younger and less experienced doing a type of "apprenticeship" under an older, more experienced hero. I think Stripsey is the only exception, but then, you can say the Star Spangled Kid had more crime fighting experience.
If we were talking about Bette being Kate's partner or ally, then that doesn't imply any level of experience.
Munkiman
06-14-2011, 07:16 PM
What I was responding to was the idea that Bette would be Kate's sidekick. Sidekick in the DCU is usually someone younger and less experienced doing a type of "apprenticeship" under an older, more experienced hero. I think Stripsey is the only exception, but then, you can say the Star Spangled Kid had more crime fighting experience.
If we were talking about Bette being Kate's partner or ally, then that doesn't imply any level of experience.
Well, all we know is that Bette shows up at Kate's door in her costume saying "I want in." Their exact relationship as heroes hasn't been shown yet.
Captain Jim
06-14-2011, 08:13 PM
How long before Nightwing becomes Nightwing and Flamebird?
Never...........
Knightwing
06-14-2011, 08:59 PM
It seems to me that "written out of continuity" will mean "not accounted for by Barry Allen when he tries to undo Thawne's messing with the timestream.
Well, all we know is that Bette shows up at Kate's door in her costume saying "I want in." Their exact relationship as heroes hasn't been shown yet.
Right. :smile: I'm looking forward to seeing what will happen.
OberonOsiris
06-15-2011, 07:10 AM
Here is my speculation on a possible back-story regarding the confusion between her silver age identity and the current.
If the original Batwoman was being used by Dr. Daedalus, as in Batman INC, then these folks also were aware of Batwoman's sidekick and could possibly threaten or hold her hostage to their needs. It may not be revealed yet, but that too, could possibly be one of the reasons Kathy broke things off with Bruce; the possible life and health of her niece, her brother-in-law's daughter, was also in the mix...
Maybe that's the reason why "Bette" seems to start out on the West Coast, rather than Gotham with any other "Kane"s . Her father, Batwoman, someone, was forced to get her out of (more) harm's way from Spyral/Spy plot that was using Batwoman....
A part of this "witness protection plan" might have involved the full or partial blanking out or altering of Betty/e's original Bat-Girl memories.
So I think I've listed some potential answers or new back-story, but I imagine there could be other scenarios. I haven't even started on where Robin/Dick, or Bruce for that matter, have roles in any of this. I might have hinted at the idea a few weeks back, though.
cheers!
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