So...you can't talk Political Correctness and DC Comics

[brodyoliverlives]

So I've been ranting about how DC Comics has turned the Justice League of America to the Social Justice League of America with their reboot. It pisses me off that they are replacing Martian Manhunter with Cyborg. It's not that Cyborg is black (I say this because this is the first thing people think, "He' hates African-Americans, he's a racist"). I'm pissed because the Martian Manhunter is my favorite DC character and he's getting the shaft to bring diversity (which I have no problem with the diversity part) to the JLA. I understand the JLA is pretty vanilla, but come on, CYBORG?

Anyway, I bring this up because I started a post about political correctness and DC and they deleted it. I swear, it's like the boards are being run by Kim Jong-Il or something. I wasn't disrespectful to anyone or graphic or anything. I was just stating my displeasure that Geoffry Johns would replace MM with Cyborg when A) MM is awesome and deserves to still be a JLA founder and B) there are several African-American characters that deserve to be on the team waaaay ahead of Cyborg. That is all. :mad:

[beetlebum]

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[finfangfool]

Maybe it is Martian Manhunter, just in disguise. Wouldn't be the first time he's posed as a black superhero. Read it and see.

[brodyoliverlives]

thats what im hoping for:biggrin:

[Paul McEnery]

It's perfectly reasonable to signal your displeasure that your favorite character isn't going to be on the team.

But you might want to consider using less inflammatory language to do so.

And also consider that your big complaint is that Cyborg will be on the team instead of the Martian Manhunter. I can't imagine this is an "instead of" situation (who knows, I'm frequently wrong), so it seems a bit odd to say "how come that guy's on the team instead of my favorite".

Especially when picking out the black guy, and shouting the odds about political correctness and social justice.

Especially when the term "social justice" has been recently used by right wing commentators as part of a racist attack on American progressives.

[Monty_Cristo]

why is it Martian Manhunter he is replacing instead of some other leaguer? :confused:

[Michael P]

The full roster includes more than just the people on the cover, so it's entirely possible that J'onn is on the team.

[Michael P]

why is it Martian Manhunter he is replacing instead of some other leaguer? :confused:

Technically, he's not replacing J'onn at all, since he's not a member of the current team. Really, he's replacing either Congorilla or Starman.

[Paul McEnery]

The full roster includes more than just the people on the cover, so it's entirely possible that J'onn is on the team.

I think it's more likely they're doing something else with the character.

[Pól Rua]

It's perfectly reasonable to signal your displeasure that your favorite character isn't going to be on the team.

But you might want to consider using less inflammatory language to do so.

Indeed. If the central and primary point of your argument is that Martian Manhunter isn't on the team, why frame it inside a ton of racist passive-aggressive horseshit?

[Shawn Hopkins]

But Martian Manhunter is black. Haven't you seen Smallville?

[Spike-X]

This thread is so gay.

[InSovietRussia]

why is it Martian Manhunter he is replacing instead of some other leaguer? :confused:

Like Hal Jordan, who has all the charm and personality of a block of wood. :wink:

[brodyoliverlives]

This thread is so gay.

i agree with you sir.

[Pól Rua]

I'm reminded of a really neat short sketch that Mel Smith and Griff Rhys Jones did way way back.

"I'm not racist, but I think it can be better if different cultures don't mix, in order to protect their way of life."

"I'm not sexist, but I think that there are some jobs that men can do better than women."

"I'm not a plumber, but I do charge money to work on people's household water pipes and fixtures."

[Tages]

Somebody ought to compile a reference guide for Far Right dogwhistle rhetoric. I'll start:

Social justice (implying such a thing is negative)="Uppities don't know their place."
Political correctness="How come I can't say 'nigger' and they can?"
International financiers="JEEEEEWWWWWSSSS!!!"

[Spike-X]

Somebody ought to compile a reference guide for Far Right dogwhistle rhetoric. I'll start:

Social justice (implying such a thing is negative)="Uppities don't know their place."
Political correctness="How come I can't say 'nigger' and they can?"
International financiers="JEEEEEWWWWWSSSS!!!"
The Homosexual Lobby = people who just want to be left the fuck alone for once in their lives.

[brodyoliverlives]

Somebody ought to compile a reference guide for Far Right dogwhistle rhetoric. I'll start:

Social justice (implying such a thing is negative)="Uppities don't know their place."
Political correctness="How come I can't say 'nigger' and they can?"
International financiers="JEEEEEWWWWWSSSS!!!"

I am offended you would use the N word. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[J. Robb]

We should probably stop humouring this kid.

[Tages]

If it helps, I was ashamed of myself before I entered the discussion.

So why exactly are you focusing so much attention on a black character getting exposure and referring to "social justice" with the same tone most of us would use to refer to bowel cancer?

[Spike-X]

I am offended you would use the N word. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Soon we won't be able to type on message boards at all without offending somebody. we'll have to resort to pictograms, like the cavemen.

Sorry, I mean Neanderthal-Americans*.

[Spike-X]

We should probably stop humouring this kid.
Humouring? I thought I was mocking?

*checks*

Yes, my tone switch is definitely set to Mock.

[Pól Rua]

I am offended you would use the N word. You should be ashamed of yourself.
dis·in·gen·u·ous
   [dis-in-jen-yoo-uhs]
–adjective
lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere: Her excuse was rather disingenuous.

[brodyoliverlives]

If it helps, I was ashamed of myself before I entered the discussion.

So why exactly are you focusing so much attention on a black character getting exposure and referring to "social justice" with the same tone most of us would use to refer to bowel cancer?

The focus was on the character being a replacement for martian manhunter. the reason why he was put on and MM kicked out of this new origin was because he is black. theres nothing wrong with him being black as ive stated time and time again, its the fact that my favorite character was axed so they could get some "color" into the league so they, DC, do not seem as social dinosaurs. i just think its a cheap way of building up Cyborgs fame.

[J. Robb]

Humouring? I thought I was mocking?

*checks*

Yes, my tone switch is definitely set to Mock.
Me too, but any attention is a win for someone seeking attention.

[dupont2005]

The focus was on the character being a replacement for martian manhunter. the reason why he was put on and MM kicked out of this new origin was because he is black. theres nothing wrong with him being black as ive stated time and time again, its the fact that my favorite character was axed so they could get some "color" into the league so they, DC, do not seem as social dinosaurs. i just think its a cheap way of building up Cyborgs fame.

Next thing you know they'll let a Jew play on our course.

[Michael P]

Next thing you know they'll let a Jew play on our course.

I know a girl who's half-Jewish. Can she play the front nine?

[Pól Rua]

The focus was on the character being a replacement for martian manhunter. the reason why he was put on and MM kicked out of this new origin was because he is black. theres nothing wrong with him being black as ive stated time and time again, its the fact that my favorite character was axed so they could get some "color" into the league so they, DC, do not seem as social dinosaurs. i just think its a cheap way of building up Cyborgs fame.

Then maybe you shouldn't frame it as

RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
i like martian manhunter
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT

Maybe if you framed your discussions as actual discussions instead of burying them in a bunch of mealy-mouthed right-wing doubletalk, people would actually interact with you.
Maybe if your every post wasn't a poorly conceived minefield of 'mercy me, the gays and the blacks and the lib'ruls are oppressing me' faux-martyrdom , we could actually cut through this crap and decide that you're just being a shit-stirring race-baiter and put you on ignore.

[dupont2005]

I know a girl who's half-Jewish. Can she play the front nine?

A woman? We're talking golf, not croquet.

[Matt Algren]

http://www.notracistbut.com/

[brodyoliverlives]

Then maybe you shouldn't frame it as

RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
i like martian manhunter
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT
RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT RACIST BULLSHIT

Maybe if you framed your discussions as actual discussions instead of burying them in a bunch of mealy-mouthed right-wing doubletalk, people would actually interact with you.
Maybe if your every post wasn't a poorly conceived minefield of 'mercy me, the gays and the blacks and the lib'ruls are oppressing me' faux-martyrdom , we could actually cut through this crap and decide that you're just being a shit-stirring race-baiter and put you on ignore.


So, tell me what is racist about my opinion about the Cyborg for Martian Manhunter swap DC is doing? They did it for the Justice League Cartoon by adding John Stewart instead of Kyle Rayner specifically for having an African-American on the team. I rather enjoyed that because I don't like Kyle as a character, but I liked John Stewart. So tell me, what's racist about my opinion? I've mentioned several times that I like Cyborg and he should be on the team, but not as a founding member. What the hell is racist about that?! You are overly sensitive. :biggrin:

[Spike-X]

its the fact that my favorite character was axed so they could get some "color" into the league

Why would they do that? Green is a colour.

[Nick Soapdish]

So, tell me what is racist about my opinion about the Cyborg for Martian Manhunter swap DC is doing? They did it for the Justice League Cartoon by adding John Stewart instead of Kyle Rayner specifically for having an African-American on the team. I rather enjoyed that because I don't like Kyle as a character, but I liked John Stewart. So tell me, what's racist about my opinion? I've mentioned several times that I like Cyborg and he should be on the team, but not as a founding member. What the hell is racist about that?! You are overly sensitive. :biggrin:

How do you know that they swapped Vic for J'onn? We've only seen 7 of the 14 characters. And how do you know that J'onn was the character that got switched out? Especially since he isn't a member of JLA right now.

[Spike-X]

I know a girl who's half-Jewish. Can she play the front nine?
I hear she prefers the back nine.




























If you know what I mean.

[Michael P]

So, tell me what is racist about my opinion about the Cyborg for Martian Manhunter swap DC is doing?

It's couched in terminology and arguments devised and popularized by racists.

If you'd just said, "I hate Cyborg, he sucks. I'd rather have Martian Manhunter," we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[brodyoliverlives]

It's couched in terminology and arguments devised and popularized by racists.

If you'd just said, "I hate Cyborg, he sucks. I'd rather have Martian Manhunter," we wouldn't be having this conversation.

could you provide a specific example of anything I've posted in this thread that is "racist?"

[Spike-X]

So, tell me what is racist about my opinion about the Cyborg for Martian Manhunter swap DC is doing?

The suggestion that they're only doing it so they can have a black guy on the team, for starters.

[brodyoliverlives]

How do you know that they swapped Vic for J'onn? We've only seen 7 of the 14 characters. And how do you know that J'onn was the character that got switched out? Especially since he isn't a member of JLA right now.

Well, if MM was part of the Core 7, don't you think he would have been on the poster with the other 6?

[brodyoliverlives]

The suggestion that they're only doing it so they can have a black guy on the team, for starters.

They are doing it to have a black guy on the team. He's become the token black guy...which I hope they don't just have him around to say, "See, we have a black guy on the team. We're not racist..." but then don't develop him a whole lot. DC has added a black guy before for the sake of having a black guy on the team in the JL cartoon by taking out Kyle Rayner and adding John Stewart. It was good and John Stewart was my 2nd fave character behind MM.

[Michael P]

http://www.notracistbut.com/

Is there a purpose to Facebook other than telling the entire world what an asshole you are at the touch of a button?

[Iangould]

The focus was on the character being a replacement for martian manhunter. the reason why he was put on and MM kicked out of this new origin was because he is black. theres nothing wrong with him being black as ive stated time and time again, its the fact that my favorite character was axed so they could get some "color" into the league so they, DC, do not seem as social dinosaurs. i just think its a cheap way of building up Cyborgs fame.

I was going to contribute my own dose of snark but really is anyone getting any benefit from this thread?

[Michael P]

They are doing it to have a black guy on the team. He's become the token black guy

See this bit right here?

Racists say shit like that all the time.

[brodyoliverlives]

See this bit right here?

Racists say shit like that all the time.

Michael P, it's reality. Cyborg is becoming the "we don't want to seem outdated and racist, so lets add a black guy to the mix.." What's racist about me pointing that out?

[Spike-X]

They are doing it to have a black guy on the team.

Is this from an official DC Comics statement?

[brodyoliverlives]

Is this from an official DC Comics statement?

Look at the poster. Plus everyone knows Cyborg is one of Geoffry Johns' favorite characters. It's going to happen.

[RolandJP]

As a Cyborg. I must say.

You are entirely insensitive to our kind. Your Bigotry by way of ignoring our mechanical half is disparaging.

I dont hear people complaining when they get their 5 dollar cup of Starbucks from a machine. But time and time again. We are depicted as Terminators or Assimilaters. The B* word. Rhymes with ORG. (we hate that term)


On behalf of Machines everywhere I say to the OP. "Go FAX yourself!"

[Pól Rua]

This thread has reached 'Condition: Masturbating with a Cheesegrater'.

[Spike-X]

Look at the poster.

Does the poster say, "Here's Cyborg! He's only on the team because he's black!"

?

[Nick Soapdish]

Well, if MM was part of the Core 7, don't you think he would have been on the poster with the other 6?

What "Core 7"? All we know is that there are 14 members and 7 have been shown. They haven't been ranked or anything.

[GeneralReadingMan]

Uh, I'm sure with 26 more books to be announced, and the JL having 7 more members to be revealed, J'onn will end up somewhere.

[brodyoliverlives]

As a Cyborg. I must say.

You are entirely insensitive to our kind. Your Bigotry by way of ignoring our mechanical half is disparaging.

I dont hear people complaining when they get their 5 dollar cup of Starbucks from a machine. But time and time again. We are depicted as Terminators or Assimilaters. The B* word. Rhymes with ORG. (we hate that term)


On behalf of Machines everywhere I say to the OP. "Go FAX yourself!"

ROFL. Yes, I am bigoted towards hybrids. Can Cyborg and a Prius have relations of the sexual nature?

[GeneralReadingMan]

Cyborg I think is being added so the JL ain't so vanilla, but I have no problem with that.

Without him the JL is Batman, Wonder Woman, and the 4 boring white guys barbershop quartet.

[Michael P]

I'd just like to reiterate that J'onn hasn't been on the team at all for the last six years. So it's not like this is anything new.

[Spike-X]

ROFL. Yes, I am bigoted towards hybrids. Can Cyborg and a Prius have relations of the sexual nature?
What they do in their garage is their own business, but I sure as hell don't need to hear all about it!

[brodyoliverlives]

I'd just like to reiterate that J'onn hasn't been on the team at all for the last six years. So it's not like this is anything new.

In those past 6 years...did they reboot the DCU and reboot the JLA origin? didnt think so. youre comparing apples to oranges

[Brian Cronin]

I'd send it to the DC Board, but they'd just close it, as well, so it is better off this way.

-Brian