Was 616 Nick Fury doomed to Obscurity...

[ShadowDemon]

with the introduction of (and apparent super-popularity of) Ultimate Nick? Jackson-Nick is all over the place (Ultimate-verse, the movies, Earth's Mightiest, etc). 616 Nick barely gets mentioned nowadays, being a renegade fugitive from SHIELD.

Was this the inevitable result of Marvel not having enough respect for their readers to know that different universes had different Nick Furies? Or is this an example of PC at work at Marvel, because 616 Nick is Caucasian, and brings down the "diversity quotient"?

[Lord Black Cat]

Black Fury is just so much cooler than 616 Fury; I don't think there's anything negative with the switchover. And as long as 616 is around, that Fury will still be there.

[Apathy Lad]

with the introduction of (and apparent super-popularity of) Ultimate Nick? Jackson-Nick is all over the place (Ultimate-verse, the movies, Earth's Mightiest, etc). 616 Nick barely gets mentioned nowadays, being a renegade fugitive from SHIELD.

Was this the inevitable result of Marvel not having enough respect for their readers to know that different universes had different Nick Furies? Or is this an example of PC at work at Marvel, because 616 Nick is Caucasian, and brings down the "diversity quotient"?

You should feel ashamed for thinking this.

Greater Pop Culture has accepted that Nick Fury is black thanks to cartoons, films, and video games. Nobody cares about Comic!Nick Fury.

[Sean Walsh]

Obscurity? You mean, being a part of mainstream Marvel comics (the star of SECRET WARRIORS for 2+ years, plus a regular star in SECRET AVENGERS and NEW AVENGERS) is the definition of obscure now??

(I get your point - just the word chosen makes me all :confused: )

[Seresecros]

They're both great, but when Samuel L. Jackson gives his permission to use his likeness YOU DAMN WELL USE IT!

[SpideyCzar]

616 Nick Fury has starred in Secret Warriors since it's launch, I don't consider that being lost to obscurity.

[XPac]

Nick Fury will be fine. He's still showing up in marvel books, and in all likelihood will continue to do so.

Bendis and Hickman both clearly like using the character, so I suspect he'll be published fairly frequently in the near future.

[Lord Bravery]

I've always prefered 616 Fury. And i don't think he is obscure. He's just a shady spy, being all over the place would sorta, defeat the object.

The movies are using Jackson Fury because he was specifically designed as Sam L Jackon. So when the movies came along, it was inevitable.

[Expletive Deleted]

616 Nick barely gets mentioned nowadays.Even if you ignore Secret Warriors (and you shouldn't, because he's the main character), he's a regular guest-star in the Avengers titles. He's even headlining the flashback portion of the current New Avengers storyline.

Most people would kill (figuratively speaking) for their favorite character to be that obscure.

[FanboyStranger]

Black Fury is just so much cooler than 616 Fury; I don't think there's anything negative with the switchover. And as long as 616 is around, that Fury will still be there.

See, I don't think so. I don't think that Ultimate Fury is even remotely as interesting as the 616 version. He certainly doesn't have the rich history or backstory. He has Sam Jackson's likeness and a bit more attitude, but I find him a mediocre substitute for the real deal.

[AcesX1X]

do you guys think they will eventually change 616 nick fury's race to match the movies?

[InSovietRussia]

do you guys think they will eventually change 616 nick fury's race to match the movies?

I doubt it.

[Hero Girl]

do you guys think they will eventually change 616 nick fury's race to match the movies?

I hope not. Only because there isn't a way to do it that isn't hokey and forced, like when Sin became the Red Skull.

I would like to see it used as a disguise at some point though

[Rimmer]

do you guys think they will eventually change 616 nick fury's race to match the movies?

Never. There's no need.

Personally I LOVE 616 Nick Fury. I've loved him since I was a kid, and never thought he needed changing. He's the ultimate bad@$$ in my book. He's all business, all the time, not afraid to push his weight around, and he's always got the 'greater good' in his mind, as far as why he does the things he does, no matter how shady. HE does them because they need doing. He's not there to be buddies with Steve or Tony, he's there to get things done to protect the common good. He's awesome, and I'll be very sad when Hickman's Secret Warriors ends. Hopefully he'll still appear in other books often, or perhaps get another series of his own.

[AcesX1X]

that's an interesting thought, hero girl.

the disguise would be cool to see. you know, it would be head-spinning if 616 nick fury reveals his caucasian identity has been a disguise all-along.

[Pixie_Solanas]

If he does, he better have a full-on power afro.

[the4thpip]

Here in Germany, everybody thinks of Nick Fury as white because of the insanely popular TV movie with David Hasselhoff.

[InSovietRussia]

Ultimate Fury's okay, but he comes off as far too much of an action-only character compared to regular Fury. I'd like to see his past fleshed out some more.

[Prince Of Orphans]

616 Nick Fury > Ultimate Nick Fury

616 Nick Fury is just a boss. 'Nuff said,

Also he isn't obscure. I'm not sure what makes you think that OP :S.

Nick Fury being black in the Ultimate books, the movies and the cartoons is definitely some kind of diversity quota. I wish it weren't, because then Marvel would be compelled to use guys like Falcon and Black Panther more instead of just opting for the easy out and changing the skin colour of a character they were going to use.

[The Black Guardian]

616 Fury will always be orders of magnitude better.

[AcesX1X]

nick fury is good in that it doesn't matter if his character is black or white. he's still insanely influential and powerful regardless.

the more that i think about it, the more i really do think having a black 616 fury would be an awesome idea.

[Hulk_Is]

do you guys think they will eventually change 616 nick fury's race to match the movies?

No, they don't do that. Simply two different universes.

[Prince Of Orphans]

the more that i think about it, the more i really do think having a black 616 fury would be an awesome idea.

Out of curiosity, can you explain why exactly?

[AcesX1X]

Out of curiosity, can you explain why exactly?

i think it will be easier for new movie fans to transition into comics. instead of sending movie-fans to the ultimate universe to see their favorite character, they can switch him up to match his movie and ultimate counterpart, and fans would get three times the enjoyment. think of the marketing benefits!

[Shadey10]

I like ultimate nick fury better so the more unf the better.

[andybmcd]

Here in Germany, everybody thinks of Nick Fury as white because of the insanely popular TV movie with David Hasselhoff.

Oh god that movie was horrible. Unintentionally hilarious though.

[Prince Of Orphans]

i think it will be easier for new movie fans to transition into comics. instead of sending movie-fans to the ultimate universe to see their favorite character, they can switch him up to match his movie and ultimate counterpart, and fans would get three times the enjoyment. think of the marketing benefits!

I respectfully disagree. Personally, I'd say "to hell with the movie fans" :P, but I see what you're saying.

I'd be furiously against changing 616 Nick Fury's skin colour for the sake of movie fans. I wouldn't be okay with throwing 60+ years of continuity out the window. Plus, i would consider it a slap to the face to the real fans, the ones who have read comics before they were cool to the wider audience. And i don't think there's a way to do it which wouldn't seem stupid.

With the dwindling sales of Ultimate comics after Ultimatum, I think it would be smarter to direct movie fans there to begin with.

[DaUltimateSheild]

I wouldn't Be against Nick getting "Psylocked"

[Nomads1]

Here in Germany, everybody thinks of Nick Fury as white because of the insanely popular TV movie with David Hasselhoff.

Dawm, you beat me to it. I was so ready to blow this thread apart with that gem from the past.:biggrin:

Peace

[AcesX1X]

I wouldn't Be against Nick getting "Psylocked"

same here! it's been done before with huge financial success! it's a win-win for pretty much everybody. real fans of the character will stay true to his core no matter what color he is.

[Prince Of Orphans]

same here! it's been done before with huge financial success! it's a win-win for pretty much everybody. real fans of the character will stay true to his core no matter what color he is.

It's the fact if they'd change it for movie fans is what I'd hate. It's like ditching your old, loyal friends for cooler ones lol. That, and it would serve absolutely no purpose :S

[AcesX1X]

It's the fact if they'd change it for movie fans is what I'd hate. It's like ditching your old, loyal friends for cooler ones lol.

well, think of it in terms of $$$. it would reinvigorate the character and bring a unity between the ultimate/616/movie versions.

[Prince Of Orphans]

well, think of it in terms of $$$. it would reinvigorate the character and bring a unity between the ultimate/616/movie versions.

The movies have never had definitive statistics indicating a boost in comic sales alongside the movie coming out. The boost usually associates itself with relaunching the title with a big shiny #1.

I don't think a unity between 616 and the Ultimate universe is needed. The whole point of the ultimate universe is to have a different feel and look than 616. This would defeat the purpose.

Also, i don't see at all how it would reinvigorate the character. He doesn't need reinvigorating, he is fine as he is. I don't think having Nick Fury's skin suddenly turn black to relate closer the movie will amount to any monetary profit. Fans of the movie will more likely follow one of the big three before concerning themselves with Nick Fury.

[AcesX1X]

it's fine if you disagree. i think it would be best for him to be black tho.

[Prince Of Orphans]

it's fine if you disagree. i think it would be best for him to be black tho.

That's fine with me. It's your opinion.

[ghostplanet]

If he's written well, i don't give a damn what he looks like.

I could imagine it's appealing and heartening to the millions of not-white readers (or potential readers) to have someone who looks like you front-and-center among the Marvel U.

I'm happy to see Luke Cage leading New Avengers (and Thunderbolts, which I actually read). But I still think Marvel can do better in terms of diversity with regards to both race and gender.

But then, I'm an 80s/90s X-men fan - so my whole concept of a hero team is giving each person a foreign language catchphrase. :wink:

[Prince Of Orphans]

I could imagine it's appealing and heartening to the millions of not-white readers (or potential readers) to have someone who looks like you front-and-center among the Marvel U.


I wouldn't say Nick Fury is front and center in 616, nor do i think all non-whites look the same.

[Mechano]

i can't stand Ultimate Fury...

http://www.aboutheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ultimatum21.jpg


REAL Nick Fury for me, thank you.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4142579893_d865e4023d.jpg

[Kasper Cole]

616 Nick Fury > Ultimate Nick Fury

616 Nick Fury is just a boss. 'Nuff said,

Also he isn't obscure. I'm not sure what makes you think that OP :S.

Nick Fury being black in the Ultimate books, the movies and the cartoons is definitely some kind of diversity quota. I wish it weren't, because then Marvel would be compelled to use guys like Falcon and Black Panther more instead of just opting for the easy out and changing the skin colour of a character they were going to use.

Or maybe it's just that people really like Ultimate version of Nick Fury?

[AcesX1X]

Or maybe it's just that people really like Ultimate version of Nick Fury?

yes, this exactly. im ready for ultimate nick fury to be in the 616.

[Rasputin9977]

See, I don't think so. I don't think that Ultimate Fury is even remotely as interesting as the 616 version. He certainly doesn't have the rich history or backstory. He has Sam Jackson's likeness and a bit more attitude, but I find him a mediocre substitute for the real deal.

This is how i feel. Ultimate Fury is cool but he is nothing compared to 616 Fury. Personally I think they should get permission to use the likeness of big name stars

[Jabare]

Personally I haven't really cared for 616 Fury for a while now. He was interesting when I got into marvel.


But he has been nothing but boring since Secret Invasion. And now that he is no longer the man in 616 I don't really care about him.

So ultimate Nick Fury is more appealing in that sense. he also has some really bad ass lines.

Also 616 Fury fought in WWII? I mean its 2011, how long can marvel actually run with that and have him be so mobile and active. Unless he becomes a meta i don't see it. This is the problem with comic characters that were established to be around at specific years. (Barring Cap and Bucky with the glacier freezing thing) You either have to retconn 616 Fury or he doesn't work.

[The Predator101]

When comes to things like this I feel Marvel can do what ever they want with their characters, I've "gotten over" the fan boy ownership some of us have over what we want to happen, but on that note... I think ultimate/cartoon Fury is good... I've collected enough cancelled SHIELD/Nick Fury books to know that his popularity is better than ever now, and you can contribute that to his other successes even though he may be a different race in the other media.

I would love to see Marvel create more compelling original IP characters that are ethnic as apposed to just changing them, but since movies, cartoon and other media are basically different continuities it really should bother people... you'll always have your 616 old Nick if you have an issue with race.

I just love them both...

PS they kept him Caucasian in the Video games.

[Shellhead]

Also 616 Fury fought in WWII? I mean its 2011, how long can marvel actually run with that and have him be so mobile and active. Unless he becomes a meta i don't see it. This is the problem with comic characters that were established to be around at specific years. (Barring Cap and Bucky with the glacier freezing thing) You either have to retconn 616 Fury or he doesn't work.

This is only a problem for someone who is unfamiliar with the real Nick Fury. Otherwise, you would know about the Infinity Formula.

[InSovietRussia]

This is only a problem for someone who is unfamiliar with the real Nick Fury. Otherwise, you would know about the Infinity Formula.

I'm guessing he's also not reading any of Hickman's stuff if he thinks Fury's not been up to much lately.

[Jabare]

This is only a problem for someone who is unfamiliar with the real Nick Fury. Otherwise, you would know about the Infinity Formula.

No I'm aware.


I don't really care for Secret Warriors. And New Avengers is just painful.


The infinity formula is a very poor and not well thought out concept if we get right down to it

[InSovietRussia]

The infinity formula is a very poor and not well thought out concept if we get right down to it

I suppose so, but then again, so are 99% of all comic book ideas:

- Gamma radiation turning people into super-powered beings instead of killing them painfully?
- Healing factors that allow characters to regrow limbs in no time flat without adding to their body mass first?
- The heart-shaped herb only working on the Wakandan royal family?
- Cat-Beast: since when the hell did Hank McCoy have any feline DNA?
- The people of earth envisioning the destroyer of worlds (Galactus) as a giant wearing a skirt with a purple bucket on his head?

...and so on.

[Shellhead]

- The super soldier serum not being used en masse by the Allies once it was clear Cap was a success?


Unless Cap's origin has been retconned, the scientist who created the super soldier serum was killed by a Nazi saboteur right after Steve got his dose. And most of his notes were destroyed at the same time.

[InSovietRussia]

Unless Cap's origin has been retconned, the scientist who created the super soldier serum was killed by a Nazi saboteur right after Steve got his dose. And most of his notes were destroyed at the same time.

Ah, okay then. Still, that doesn't explain why no one in the modern day hasn't gotten their hands on some of his cells or blood and tried reverse-engineering it.

[Lord Bravery]

All these people saying replace 616 Fury with Ultimate Fury... how about we replace 616 Cap with his jingoistic douche bag counterpart from the Ultimate universe too?

No... just no. 616 Fury rocks. He's like a superspy Clint Eastwood.

[AcesX1X]

All these people saying replace 616 Fury with Ultimate Fury... how about we replace 616 Cap with his jingoistic douche bag counterpart from the Ultimate universe too?

No... just no. 616 Fury rocks. He's like a superspy Clint Eastwood.

i would support this move if the jingo-cap proved to be more popular! definitely. will it sell more comics? that's where i am thinking. i definitely think ultimate fury would sell more comics in the 616 than current fury.

[UKFan]

All these people saying replace 616 Fury with Ultimate Fury... how about we replace 616 Cap with his jingoistic douche bag counterpart from the Ultimate universe too?

No... just no. 616 Fury rocks. He's like a superspy Clint Eastwood.

Yeah, the real Fury.

[Kasper Cole]

Ah, okay then. Still, that doesn't explain why no one in the modern day hasn't gotten their hands on some of his cells or blood and tried reverse-engineering it.

You don't read much Captain America do you?

[West]

Ah, okay then. Still, that doesn't explain why no one in the modern day hasn't gotten their hands on some of his cells or blood and tried reverse-engineering it.

Never heard of Protocide, Red Skull or 1950's cap did you?

[britishmixedwhiskey]

Main question in the thread title doesnt make sense as Nick Fury is one of the least obscure characters who dont have powers in the whole Marvel Universe (I dont count the infinity Formula but maybe i should) but i think i understand what you mean .

To me i enjoy the movies and Samuel Jackson's fury is a perfect fit (Much like Hasselhoffs wasnt) , BUT in the 616 Nick fury is Nick fury not white fury not black fury not blue fury just Nick fury . His character is defined on him as a human being not his race (Even though where all the same race ...human race) but there wouldent be any need to change the 616 version as thats the version that everyone who reads comics knows.

Will the movie version be more popular ? probably because more people watch superhero Films then read Superhero comics but Movie Spidey had organic webbing which except for the "other" wasnt really followed on in the comics because it didnt make sense story wise , Storms american or at least sounds it in the movies and thats cool , Colosuss sounds American and he's suppose to be russian lol .

What im trying to say is for fans of Nick Fury as he is dont worry he'll still be there and a focal point im sure for years to come , and for those that prefer the movie version or the Ultimate version thats cool also. I dont get why people make it a VS thing or "My Furys better then yours" debate ??? I Know i spelt Piotr's Aka wrong oh well you know who i mean .

[Huthaifa]

There is no racial quota. DC/MARVEL have tons of "minority" characters. It is merely modern day writer/artist choice. Marvel wanted to make more modern version of the Avengers, and they did so. Some of the changes were popular like Sam L as Nick Fury, and some werent like an Asian Wasp.

[Skaddix]

There is no racial quota. DC/MARVEL have tons of "minority" characters. It is merely modern day writer/artist choice. Marvel wanted to make more modern version of the Avengers, and they did so. Some of the changes were popular like Sam L as Nick Fury, and some werent like an Asian Wasp.

true marvel said they just base fury on whoever the most badass actor is, they chose samuel l jackson so there u have it.

[StoneGold]

Never heard of Protocide, Red Skull or 1950's cap did you?

Actually, that would be, in order, a failed half-baked predecessor to Steve using the only other vial of the serum and no vita-rays, a clone, and once again the serum without the vita-rays, which leads to mental instability. Apparently, Dr. Erskine was the only guy smart enough to crack the formula. And with no human testing, no less.

[StoneGold]

And they already did the joke of Fury showing up wearing a Sam Jackson hologram. Further made a joke about how it didn't work. I doubt it's going to happen.

[Libaax]

Skin Colour changing is wrong on many levels. Samuel Jackson isnt cool enough to change 60 years history and make Fury black in 616.

Its as disgusting,wrong as when they make black,other skin colored heroes in to white characters. Monet and many others.

Its also very lame to assume black readers would find automaticly black Fury more interesting. Sure its fun to have more characters in your comic universe that look like you but never the sole reason for liking someone.

Black Panther isnt my fav superhero,DD and Nova are in MU. Nothing about skin color even if its cool to read about Falcon and BP etc.

Ultimate U is very lame these days. A generic copy Spiderman and a worthless Cap and Black Fury are never imo to touch 616.

[Kman]

There is no racial quota. DC/MARVEL have tons of "minority" characters. It is merely modern day writer/artist choice. Marvel wanted to make more modern version of the Avengers, and they did so. Some of the changes were popular like Sam L as Nick Fury, and some werent like an Asian Wasp.

According to Marvel, the original idea was to make Ultimate Captain America black and institute aspects of the Tuskegee experiment in his origin. But white fans got so mad, they reversed their decision and made Ultimate Nick Fury black instead. This also led to Marvel putting out The Truth so as not to waste what they felt was a good idea.

[Shellhead]

There's one important thing that 616 Nick Fury has, that Ultimate Nick Fury will never have: lots of great stories. The whole premise of the Ultimate line seemed to be to remake the heroes as jerks, then rehash a bunch of classic stories to feature these jerks. The very limited entertainment value came from the frisson of wrongness, but only because readers were so familiar with the original versions. 616 Nick Fury had an amazing run when written and drawn by Jim Steranko, and has been involved with many other great stories over the years, forming meaningful connections with all the Marvel heroes that we really like.

[AcesX1X]

i don't know. in the 80s, marvel changed psylocke from a rich caucasian woman to a chinese ninja, and her fame really skyrocketed. the asian ninja version of her is now the most iconic version of the character, despite having many years of adventures as a caucasian woman.

i definitely think lightning could strike twice in this instance.

[UKFan]

There's one important thing that 616 Nick Fury has, that Ultimate Nick Fury will never have: lots of great stories. The whole premise of the Ultimate line seemed to be to remake the heroes as jerks, then rehash a bunch of classic stories to feature these jerks. The very limited entertainment value came from the frisson of wrongness, but only because readers were so familiar with the original versions. 616 Nick Fury had an amazing run when written and drawn by Jim Steranko, and has been involved with many other great stories over the years, forming meaningful connections with all the Marvel heroes that we really like.

Exactly, Ultimate's all deconstructist garbage.

Plus, not terribly original, it completely fails to have the sense of granduer or wonder that 616 has at its best.

[UKFan]

i don't know. in the 80s, marvel changed psylocke from a rich caucasian woman to a chinese ninja, and her fame really skyrocketed. the asian ninja version of her is now the most iconic version of the character, despite having many years of adventures as a caucasian woman.

i definitely think lightning could strike twice in this instance.

God, I certainly hope not.

[Will.S]

See, I don't think so. I don't think that Ultimate Fury is even remotely as interesting as the 616 version. He certainly doesn't have the rich history or backstory. He has Sam Jackson's likeness and a bit more attitude, but I find him a mediocre substitute for the real deal.
I feel the same.

I mean yeah, Sam Jackson Nick Fury makes for a cool visual and it works for the movies but otherwise I still vastly prefer regular Nick Fury.

[brundlefly]

There's one important thing that 616 Nick Fury has, that Ultimate Nick Fury will never have: lots of great stories. The whole premise of the Ultimate line seemed to be to remake the heroes as jerks, then rehash a bunch of classic stories to feature these jerks. The very limited entertainment value came from the frisson of wrongness, but only because readers were so familiar with the original versions. 616 Nick Fury had an amazing run when written and drawn by Jim Steranko, and has been involved with many other great stories over the years, forming meaningful connections with all the Marvel heroes that we really like.

Seconded. The Ultimate characters are just shallow copies of the 616 originals, each with their own superficial hook to try to make them 'kewler' for a new generation. Wolverine has a soul patch! Iceman has a do-rag! Nick Fury looks just like Samuel L Jackson!

Other than The Ultimates (which was entertaining enough for its time, but has already aged horribly), none of these books held my attention or interest. And I've never comprehended the views from some that these knockoff remix-versions are somehow 'better' than the original classics they're based off of.

[Kasper Cole]

It should be noted that Ultimate Nick Fury did not originally look like Sam Jackson.

[Lord Bravery]

What did he look like then?

I'm sure he was deliberately designed as Jackson from his inception. They even asked Jackson if it was ok to use his likeness.

[Kman]

Exactly, Ultimate's all deconstructist garbage.

Plus, not terribly original, it completely fails to have the sense of granduer or wonder that 616 has at its best.

It has a fine sense of grandeur. You have to remember, it was created to make the Marvel Universe a more "ground" place so the Marvel Properties would be more palatable for cinema. That way Marvel had some control over it and would be at the mercy of some producer who didn't understand the material. This is before Marvel formed it's own movie studio.

I think it works great. Now, I can almost guarantee that the Avengers movie is going to reflect more of the Ultimates than it will the 616 Avengers.

[Lord Bravery]

The Ultimate verse wasn't created so the properties would be more palatable for cinema.

It was created for new readers who didn't want to go back and research 60 odd years of history.

The films take bits of both, but on the whole, they are 616 adaptations. If not, we'd be getting hippy Thor, cannibal Hulk and jingo douche bag Cap. Which thank the comic book gods, we're not.

[Kasper Cole]

What did he look like then?

I'm sure he was deliberately designed as Jackson from his inception. They even asked Jackson if it was ok to use his likeness.

He was not designed as Jackson from the beginning.

That specific look didn't debut until Ultimates. Before that he just looked like a black version of 616 Nick Fury. People tend to think Ult Nick debuted in Ultimates when in reality the character appeared in Ultimate Marvel team up and Ult X-Men long before that.

[UKFan]

It has a fine sense of grandeur.

Couldn't disagree with more, it doesn't have the legendary storylines and runs of 616.


You have to remember, it was created to make the Marvel Universe a more "ground" place so the Marvel Properties would be more palatable for cinema. That way Marvel had some control over it and would be at the mercy of some producer who didn't understand the material. This is before Marvel formed it's own movie studio.

Eh, I thought it was created as a stand alone reboot, but even if you're right, it doesn't help producers, it does nothing more than muddy the waters.


I think it works great. Now, I can almost guarantee that the Avengers movie is going to reflect more of the Ultimates than it will the 616 Avengers.

I agree, and it's a crying shame. 616 blows Ultimate out of the water.

[4sake]

What did he look like then?

I'm sure he was deliberately designed as Jackson from his inception. They even asked Jackson if it was ok to use his likeness.


He was not designed as Jackson from the beginning.

That specific look didn't debut until Ultimates. Before that he just looked like a black version of 616 Nick Fury. People tend to think Ult Nick debuted in Ultimates when in reality the character appeared in Ultimate Marvel team up and Ult X-Men long before that.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/64034/1189839-ult_nick1_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/ult_nick1/105-1189839/)

[Lord Bravery]

Ahhh i see, thanks.

But it's moot really though, he's Sam Jackson now.

[guttcomics]

616 Nick Fury has starred in Secret Warriors since it's launch, I don't consider that being lost to obscurity.

I agree Secret Warriors is in my top five books that i read right now

[I.Z.O.R.]

Here in Germany, everybody thinks of Nick Fury as white because of the insanely popular TV movie with David Hasselhoff.

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA AA!!!!! David Hasselhoff!!!????!! Popular???!!!???

[Shellhead]

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA AA!!!!! David Hasselhoff!!!????!! Popular???!!!???

David Hasselhoff is incredibly popular in Germany. I don't know why, but that's a fact.

[jdviant]

David Hasselhoff is incredibly popular in Germany. I don't know why, but that's a fact.

Having seen some of the people that are popular here in the US, I'd gladly take the star of Knight Rider and Baywatch as a national treasure.

[Leocomix]

Obscure? He has his own comic book.