Is this as good as it's going to get as a Dick Grayson fan?

[redrobindg1984]

Is this as good as it's going to get as a Dick Grayson fan?

He has been headlining 4 core bat-books (3 now that Streets got cancelled), plus appearances in Powergirl, and Superman/Batman, aswell as being the lead in Justice League of America.

We all know DC will revert to the status quo in the near future, but due to the success of Dick's run as Batman, DC have to ensure that Dick doesn't drop off the radar. DC need to continue to get their top writers/artists working on Dick Grayson (Snyder/Jock/Francavilla - please). If Dick does revert to his Nightwing role I'm sure we will get a big relaunch, and possibly a new costume. If not Nightwing and Dick assumes a new identity - this could be a massive gamble on DC's part by alienating the fans if they get it wrong.

Damian could play a major part in what happens to Dick Grayson. Does he stay with Dick or pair up with Bruce? If Dick is no longer Batman, it is highly unlikely Damian will be Robin alongside him. Will he have a new identity too?

Let's just hope DC ensure that Dick continues to perform in the 'centre-ring'

:smile:

[Godlike13]

Its impossible to know, but its certainly good times for Dick right now. But so were the 80's :cool:.

[Ace Grayson]

I hope not. I would love to see him return as Nightwing and do big things.

[DubManhunter]

I don't know, but all I do know is that they are handling him very well right now. I could see Dick and Damien being partners for a very long time... Even if Dick changes from being Bats I could see Damien following him.
Guess we'll have to see where Morrison takes the Batman scene as a whole...

[The Government Inspector]

As you say, having three titles and leading the JLA, there isn't much more that he can have! Other than having perhaps a Dick Grayson movie or series, I think this is the best it is going to get.

[Dean MD]

As you say, having three titles and leading the JLA, there isn't much more that he can have! Other than having perhaps a Dick Grayson movie or series, I think this is the best it is going to get.

I think a Grayson series would be a good idea. It's a way to get a Batman style live-action show on TV without stepping on the movie's toes and Dick would probably be a more relatable lead than Bruce.

Set it in Bludhaven, have Blockbuster as the bad guy, bring in all the crooked cops and you can even have Oracle and Huntress as characters.

[Death Itself]

No, because Robinson is writing the JLA (automatic fail) and just as Kyle can no longer be shown as being a better Green Lantern than Hal, Dick can never be a better Batman than Bruce so long as Bruce is around. He can, however, be the best Nightwing, so Nightwing back in his own book and leading a JLA written by someone other than Robinson as well as appearances in the other Bat-books is better for me. I personally think a short tenure in Birds of Prey would be nothing short of awesome.

[SJNeal]

He can, however, be the best Nightwing, so Nightwing back in his own book and leading a JLA written by someone other than Robinson as well as appearances in the other Bat-books is better for me. I personally think a short tenure in Birds of Prey would be nothing short of awesome.

Agreed, 100%.

I recently reread the tail end of the Nightwing series (Wolfman - Tomasi) and while not amazing stories, they were solid, and they made me miss that series like crazy!

[Godlike13]

Agreed, 100%.

I recently reread the tail end of the Nightwing series (Wolfman - Tomasi) and while not amazing stories, they were solid, and they made me miss that series like crazy!

Wolfman's run is one of the reasons im not missing it. The Nightwing series was great with Dixon, but after he left it was pitiful till Tomasi. Who's run was pretty decent, but almost too little to late. At that point damage was done, and NY just felt like another city. There was just no connection there IMO.

[Death Itself]

Wolfman's run is one of the reasons im not missing it. The Nightwing series was great with Dixon, but after he left it was pitiful till Tomasi. Who's run was pretty decent, but almost too little to late. At that point damage was done, and NY just felt like another city. There was just no connection there IMO.

You're not alone. I had such hopes for Tomasi, who clearly loves Dick and got his personality right, but the stories were just listless and dull. And that silliness with extreme skydiving and bland girlfriend....yawn. His Batman is a little better. Again, I'd love to let Gail Simone write him in any context. In BOP is fine, but her helming him as Nightwing is even better.

[T Hedge Coke]

Agreed, 100%.

I recently reread the tail end of the Nightwing series (Wolfman - Tomasi) and while not amazing stories, they were solid, and they made me miss that series like crazy!

Nightwing in general had pretty strong stuff, especially between Dixon and Grayson and even when editorial interference was so thickly implied you could cut it with one of those metaphoric knives.

[Godlike13]

You're not alone. I had such hopes for Tomasi, who clearly loves Dick and got his personality right, but the stories were just listless and dull. And that silliness with extreme skydiving and bland girlfriend....yawn. His Batman is a little better. Again, I'd love to let Gail Simone write him in any context. In BOP is fine, but her helming him as Nightwing is even better.

I loved his B&R so far. Gleason helps a lot, and i liked White Knight. It has more panazz and originality than his Nightwing had. I didn't find his Nightwing bad or anything by any means, but at the same time there was a dullness to it. It was still better than anything the book saw after Dixon, but it didn't take much for it to be.

Also Gail Simone writing Dick doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. I'd be all for it.

[SJNeal]

Don't get me wrong, Dixon will always be my favorite Nightwing writer. I just mentioned the Wolfman/Tomasi stuff because it's what I read most recently...

[Godlike13]

Don't get me wrong, Dixon will always be my favorite Nightwing writer. I just mentioned the Wolfman/Tomasi stuff because it's what I read most recently...

I really have a bone to pick with Wolfman's stuff. When he was announced a lot of us thought he'd be Nightwing's saving grace, and why not he was one of Dick's greatest writers. He created Nightwing for crying out loud. But unfortunately, he just shat on him too. For Vigilante no less. Such a shame. That was the moment i realized the character was in some serious trouble, not only did he just barely manage to stay alive, now his creator is dumping on him. It was just shameful. And as a die hard Nightwing it was just torture.

[Theozilla]

No, because Robinson is writing the JLA (automatic fail) and just as Kyle can no longer be shown as being a better Green Lantern than Hal, Dick can never be a better Batman than Bruce so long as Bruce is around. He can, however, be the best Nightwing, so Nightwing back in his own book and leading a JLA written by someone other than Robinson as well as appearances in the other Bat-books is better for me. I personally think a short tenure in Birds of Prey would be nothing short of awesome.

It is not like it is a competition between the two. Neither character has been written in a way that is trying to say that one is better than the other. I really hate when people have mind set that one character has to "better" than the other. They are both great characters. Check out Detective Comics its full of great Batman (Dick Grayson) stuff.

[SJNeal]

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[SJNeal]

I really have a bone to pick with Wolfman's stuff. When he was announced a lot of us thought he'd be Nightwing's saving grace, and why not he was one of Dick's greatest writers. He created Nightwing for crying out loud. But unfortunately, he just shat on him too. For Vigilante no less. Such a shame. That was the moment i realized the character was in some serious trouble, not only did he just barely mange to stay alive, now his creator is dumping on him. It was just shameful. And as a die hard Nightwing it was just torture.

Good points. Rather than blame Wolfman, I like to believe this shatting-upon was an editorial mandate, meant to drum up interest in the new Vigilante series; and we all know how well that went over...

[zur en arrh]

Is this as good as it gets? That's up to Scott Snyder. If he keeps getting better, so will Dick Grayson stories.

[theloupgaroukid]

Good points. Rather than blame Wolfman, I like to believe this shatting-upon was an editorial mandate, meant to drum up interest in the new Vigilante series; and we all know how well that went over...

I wouldn't let Wolfman off the hook so easily. Nightwing barely escaped from the New Titans book (as written by Wolfman) with any credibility as a leading character left. Anything leading up to and after New Titans 100 was dreck, and the less said about 'Deathwing' the better...

It was under the control of the Bat-editors that Nightwing finally got to star in a solo mini-series, sub for Bruce in 'Prodigal', and eventually launch the Dixon-McDaniel awesomeness.

[Death Itself]

It is not like it is a competition between the two. Neither character has been written in a way that is trying to say that one is better than the other. I really hate when people have mind set that one character has to "better" than the other. They are both great characters. Check out Detective Comics its full of great Batman (Dick Grayson) stuff.

It's not a competition. It's just the status quo. Superboy and Supergirl can't be better than Superman. Wally can no longer be the best possible Flash because Barry's back. Donna can't be more "wonderous" than Diana. Kyle can't be "the" Green Lantern with Hal back, etc... It's just the way it is. And that's fine, no one should be a better Batman than Bruce. Unfortunately, that places a cap on Dick Grayson-as-Batman, a cap that doesn't exist as Nightwing which is kinda why I want Nightwing back.

[Dean MD]

I want the middle parts of the Nightwing series to be collected in trade.

[Theozilla]

It's not a competition. It's just the status quo. Superboy and Supergirl can't be better than Superman. Wally can no longer be the best possible Flash because Barry's back. Donna can't be more "wonderous" than Diana. Kyle can't be "the" Green Lantern with Hal back, etc... It's just the way it is. And that's fine, no one should be a better Batman than Bruce. Unfortunately, that places a cap on Dick Grayson-as-Batman, a cap that doesn't exist as Nightwing which is kinda why I want Nightwing back.

Even if I agreed with your perspective of "betterness" I would argue that Dick would still be limited as Nightwing, just like any Robin would.

But I don't. So No, IMO status quo doesn't say that this character is inherently better than this character. That is the limit fans put on themselves. From what I have seen no editor or writer (sure they have their favorites) ever told any fan that Barry is a objectively better Flash than Wally, sure Barry has the main focus but that does not make him better unless you think it. I personally think that Dick's feats Batman & Robin and Detective and Batman are/were just as good/awesome as Bruce's are/were in Incorporated and Batman. Editorial/commercial/promotional focus does not equal being the best in my book.

[pantslesssociety]

Yeah, I think this is a big zenith for Dick Grayson, at least for a really long time. I remember at one point earlier this year, Dick was hanging with Power Girl and training Nightrunner and leading the JLA and headlining in three books etc and it got me wondering when this kid finds the time to sleep.

I'm not complaining though! It's a pretty good time for Grayson fans, and it's really hard to get better than Snyder and Jock's Tec comics right now.

[zomg]

Is this as good as it's going to get as a Dick Grayson fan?Pretty much, when he gets back as Nightwing I doubt he'll star in three books plus team book.

[boine]

Ya it is gonna be hard to make him more important then he is now it is nice to see him get a strong run in most of the bat books. Morrison still has a while on Batman Inc so hopefully we get another year or two of Grayson being the bat I just hope they do not kill him at the end of Morrison run (although I read they did want to kill at the end of Infinite Crisis but got a very negative response from the writers so they bailed on it.)

[Ramage]

It'd be interesting to see Dick or Kyle or Wally on panel aknowledged as a better hero. I'd love to see that for Kyle over Hal.

[Captain Jim]

unfortunately, he just shat on him too. For Vigilante no less.

Wolfman was told by editorial to do that Vigilante storyline.

[Buried Alien]

It'd be interesting to see Dick or Kyle or Wally on panel aknowledged as a better hero. I'd love to see that for Kyle over Hal.

I'd rather it not be constantly treated as a competition. No matter who gets crowned *best*, it's going to piss somebody somewhere off. Why bother? It's a needless distraction.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Theozilla]

I'd rather it not be constantly treated as a competition. No matter who gets crowned *best*, it's going to piss somebody somewhere off. Why bother? It's a needless distraction.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

My feelings exactly.

[Death Itself]

Even if I agreed with your perspective of "betterness" I would argue that Dick would still be limited as Nightwing, just like any Robin would.

But I don't. So No, IMO status quo doesn't say that this character is inherently better than this character. That is the limit fans put on themselves. From what I have seen no editor or writer (sure they have their favorites) ever told any fan that Barry is a objectively better Flash than Wally, sure Barry has the main focus but that does not make him better unless you think it. I personally think that Dick's feats Batman & Robin and Detective and Batman are/were just as good/awesome as Bruce's are/were in Incorporated and Batman. Editorial/commercial/promotional focus does not equal being the best in my book.

Is Wally the focus of Flashpoint? No. Would he have been five years ago? Yes. But he cannot be a more important hero than Barry now that Barry is back. Is Kyle the star of Green Lantern? No. He's in Green Lantern Corps with Guy. He cannot be "the" Green Lantern now that Hal is back. It was Barry & Hal in Blackest Night leading the charge, not Wally & Kyle the way it would have been. There is a hierarchy and simply not liking it or approving of it doesn't change its existence or that it applies to Dick as Batman. He is "a" Batman, but not "the" Batman so in whatever "big" Batman story comes next, at the end of the day Bruce will face off with the villain to save the day, not Dick. I'd sooner see him rule in hell as Nightwing than serve in heaven as a Batman.

[Scud]

I'd sooner see him rule in hell as Nightwing than serve in heaven as a Batman.

Nightwing kicking some demon ass? Sign me up.

[Theozilla]

Is Wally the focus of Flashpoint? No. Would he have been five years ago? Yes. But he cannot be a more important hero than Barry now that Barry is back. Is Kyle the star of Green Lantern? No. He's in Green Lantern Corps with Guy. He cannot be "the" Green Lantern now that Hal is back. It was Barry & Hal in Blackest Night leading the charge, not Wally & Kyle the way it would have been. There is a hierarchy and simply not liking it or approving of it doesn't change its existence or that it applies to Dick as Batman. He is "a" Batman, but not "the" Batman so in whatever "big" Batman story comes next, at the end of the day Bruce will face off with the villain to save the day, not Dick. I'd sooner see him rule in hell as Nightwing than serve in heaven as a Batman.

Yeah, but my point is that focus/importance doesn't equal better character. Sure Hal and Barry have the main focus right now, but none of their actions are making Wally or Kyle look bad, they are (well Kyle is) still fighting villains and saving the day. It is unnecessary to view it as competition, people can enjoy both characters equally.

And I would argue that Dick at the moment (in the comics) has equal importance with Bruce considering the fact that Dick is staring in more books than Bruce is in. And Dick is going to have more attention being Batman than he would have as Nightwing.

[Godlike13]

Wolfman was told by editorial to do that Vigilante storyline.

Wolfman was told by editorial the have Vigilante kick Nightwing's ass all over his own book, and make him look like a fool?

[Godlike13]

I'd sooner see him rule in hell as Nightwing than serve in heaven as a Batman.

If ruling in hell as Nightwing was what the last 10 years of him as Nightwing was, then i'd take him serving in heaven as Batman any day of the week.

Not too mention, when the "big" Batman story came up, at the end of the day Dick didn't face off with the villain to save the day as Nigtwing either. This hierarchy of yours applied to Dick when he was Nightwing, so what's ur point? U'd rather Dick not be a more important hero than Bruce as Nightwing, then as Batman? At least as Batman he's gets 3 books a month, leads the JLA, and gets semi "big" Batman stories where he is the focus. Like the Judgment on Gotham crossover and the Gates of Gotham mini coming up :cool:.

[Vakanai]

Well, as a non-Grayson fan this is as 'meh' as it gets (never really cared for him).
Happy for you guys though.

[Death Itself]

If ruling in hell as Nightwing was what the last 10 years of him as Nightwing was, then i'd take him serving in heaven as Batman any day of the week.

If Mark Waid had only been given the book like he wanted... It's a cruel irony it went to Devin Grayson. Then Bruce Jones showed us it was in fact possible to be worse and Marv Wolfman toiled in mediocrity. But better writers could do a better job. It doesn't matter how good any writer is, he's still bound by being "a" Batman and not "the" Batman.


Not too mention, when the "big" Batman story came up, at the end of the day Dick didn't face off with the villain to save the day as Nigtwing either. This hierarchy of yours applied to Dick when he was Nightwing, so what's ur point? U'd rather Dick not be a more important hero than Bruce as Nightwing, then as Batman? At least as Batman he's gets 3 books a month, leads the JLA, and gets semi "big" Batman stories where he is the focus. Like the Judgment on Gotham crossover and the Gates of Gotham mini coming up :cool:.

But he's not more important than Bruce as Batman, but at Nightwing he can have his own life he can be the best at, whereas he can never be the best at Batman.

[Death Itself]

Yeah, but my point is that focus/importance doesn't equal better character. Sure Hal and Barry have the main focus right now, but none of their actions are making Wally or Kyle look bad, they are (well Kyle is) still fighting villains and saving the day. It is unnecessary to view it as competition, people can enjoy both characters equally.

How exactly is a Kyle or Wally fan enjoying their character "equally" when Barry and Hal are the focus and they're been reduced to a supporting role in a place where they once had the lead? I never said it was a competition. Competition implies Kyle, Wally and Dick have a chance to be the primary again and they don't.

[Theozilla]

If Mark Waid had only been given the book like he wanted... It's a cruel irony it went to Devin Grayson. Then Bruce Jones showed us it was in fact possible to be worse and Marv Wolfman toiled in mediocrity. But better writers could do a better job. It doesn't matter how good any writer is, he's still bound by being "a" Batman and not "the" Batman.

But he's not more important than Bruce as Batman, but at Nightwing he can have his own life he can be the best at, whereas he can never be the best at Batman.

He would be just as bound or more being Nightwing. Dick as Nightwing never got this amount of attention, I would argue Dick is the more important/primary Batman in the comics right now than Bruce considering the fact he is starring in so many books. Dick has his own life right now, and "best" is subjective to some fans Dick is the best Batman right now.

As for Kyle yeah he does not have the main focus in the DCU now, but he is still the lead character in his own series.

When I said can enjoy characters equally, I meant that focus doesn't equal quality of character. I enjoy Hal, Kyle, John, and Guy equally as characters. Wally and Kyle not being the primary anymore that does not suddenly make them worse characters.

[Godlike13]

If Mark Waid had only been given the book like he wanted... It's a cruel irony it went to Devin Grayson. Then Bruce Jones showed us it was in fact possible to be worse and Marv Wolfman toiled in mediocrity. But better writers could do a better job. It doesn't matter how good any writer is, he's still bound by being "a" Batman and not "the" Batman.

But he's not more important than Bruce as Batman, but at Nightwing he can have his own life he can be the best at, whereas he can never be the best at Batman.

He wasn't more important than Bruce as Nightwing. So he can be Nightwing and never be better than Batman, or be Batman and never be better than Bruce. So no matter what, by ur logic he's bound. Again, at least as Batman he's gets 3 books a month, leads the JLA, and gets semi "big" Batman stories where he is the focus. At least as Batman we get high quality production, and not just if's and could's.

Maybe if when he was Nightwing he didn't get pulled into every Bat event, and didn't come running when Bruce called i could see what ur saying. But Nightwing was just bound as u claim he is as Batman, but at least as Batman the production level and quality of his stories is much better.

[Action Ace]

Reading about Dick Grayson in the 1970s I wondered what it would be like when he grew up and replaced Batman. Since I missed most of the 1980s, I've never bought into the Dick as his own man idea from Marv Wolfman in New Teen Titans. It's been nice to see him as Batman with the additional stroke of genius of making his Robin the "grim and gritty" one. I like this new inverted Dynamic Duo and hope it survives beyond the current Bat regime. I will always prefer Dick Grayson most of all as Robin, but this is the new runner up.

[Buried Alien]

How exactly is a Kyle or Wally fan enjoying their character "equally" when Barry and Hal are the focus and they're been reduced to a supporting role in a place where they once had the lead? I never said it was a competition. Competition implies Kyle, Wally and Dick have a chance to be the primary again and they don't.

Well, put yourself in the shoes of Barry and Hal fans...one group of which had to endure twenty-five years of its favorite character being "dead" and thus, off limits except for the occasional flashback or time-travel story, and the other of which witnesed its favorite character arbitrarily turned into a villain and then a lost soul for a decade. Considering that *at least* Wally and Kyle are still around, still hold their Flash and GL roles, and haven't been twisted out of character, it's *really* difficult to be very sympathetic from this position.

Barry and Hal fans having been in this position, albeit worse, are willing to extend a sympathetic hand, but when that hand keeps getting slapped away...it's going to stop reaching out sooner or later.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Lancerman]

Is Wally the focus of Flashpoint? No. Would he have been five years ago? Yes. But he cannot be a more important hero than Barry now that Barry is back. Is Kyle the star of Green Lantern? No. He's in Green Lantern Corps with Guy. He cannot be "the" Green Lantern now that Hal is back. It was Barry & Hal in Blackest Night leading the charge, not Wally & Kyle the way it would have been. There is a hierarchy and simply not liking it or approving of it doesn't change its existence or that it applies to Dick as Batman. He is "a" Batman, but not "the" Batman so in whatever "big" Batman story comes next, at the end of the day Bruce will face off with the villain to save the day, not Dick. I'd sooner see him rule in hell as Nightwing than serve in heaven as a Batman.

The thing is that in the grand scheme of things it will always be Batman>Nightwing as far as importance and showcase within the franchise. Dick is just as limited as Nightwing if not more so because Nightwing has always been treated as a step above Robin and a step below Batman.

Saying Dick is better off as a Nightwing because Bruce is around is the equivalent of saying that Wally is better off as Kid Flash because he can't surpass the recently returned Barry. Newsflash, no matter what those characters do they will never usurp the patriarch character in there franchise.

In the Batman franchise the pinnacle role you can achieve is being Batman. Bruce being the first and for the majority of 70+ years the only Batman has given him a stature that it would take decades to undo. When Jean Paul Valley became Batman his stock rose immediatly to the top of the franchise. He immediatly surpassed every character in importance, even Nightwing. Because the Batman role is the top role. When Dick became Batman he became more important than he ever was at any point in his history. Everything he did as Nightwing for almost two decades was immediatly overshadowed the moment he began his first story arc as the caped crusader.

With Dick as Batman it's saying that this character is good enough to be in that top role. Even if he can never surpass Bruce, he is still better off than he is as Nightwing because the character itself will always be a lesser role. I'd argue that the limitations put on Dick by being Nightwing are far greater than the limitation put on him by being the other Batman. Because the name Nightwing will always mean less than Batman, even if its the other Batman.

To go back to the main question. Yes this is as good as it gets for Dick Grayson fans. He's in the most important position he will ever be in. He is featured in more books than any single member of the Big 7. He's fulfilled his potential finally. The only way he could ever improve his place in the DC pantheon is if Bruce died for good and Dick was the only Batman. Otherwise Dick Grayson has peaked.

[Captain Jim]

Wolfman was told by editorial the have Vigilante kick Nightwing's ass all over his own book, and make him look like a fool?

He was told to create a new Vigilante character in the Nightwing book.

[Godlike13]

He was told to create a new Vigilante character in the Nightwing book.

So it was his choice to do that by pooping on Nightwing, good to to know :cool:. He didn't have to have Vigilante kick Nightwing ass all over his own book to introduce Vigilante, but unfortunately that's exactly what he did.

[Theozilla]

So it was his choice to do that by pooping on Nightwing, good to to know :cool:. He didn't have to have Vigilante kick Nightwing ass all over his own book to introduce Vigilante, but unfortunately that's exactly what he did.

Too bad Wolfman could/did not connect the new Vigilante to the Seven Soldiers of Victory stuff, where the original Vigilante died and became a ghost.

[Captain Jim]

Too bad Wolfman could/did not connect the new Vigilante to the Seven Soldiers of Victory stuff, where the original Vigilante died and became a ghost.

I believe they specifically wanted a new Vigilante in the same vein as the Adrian Chase character that Wolfman had created years earlier in New Teen Titans (and who had his own title for 50 issues).

[Retro315]

It's pretty good times for Grayson fans. The former, the biggest, the best "Robin" is now on nearly even footing with the original Batman himself. After all, when people think "Batman" they think "Batman and Robin", and the Robin they're all thinking about is Dick.

I'd love to see him stay Batman forever, but imagine he'll go back to Nightwing some day. However, I would like to see his costume stay more Batman-like ... he's done rebelling against Bruce's style now, and it would be great to see a Nightwing costume that isn't too flashy, or too stylish. Something more akin to, well, his current Batman costume, just without a cape and perhaps with a half-cowl. We've seen some great design renders of these sorts of things before.

(I'd still like to see Dick utilize that Black/Blue variant of the classic Batman costume, honestly.)

[Mr. Holmes]

design renders of these sorts of things before.

(I'd still like to see Dick utilize that Black/Blue variant of the classic Batman costume, honestly.)

Yeah I think the blue and gray color scheme of the Batman costume would work really well for Dick, whether he is Batman or goes back to Nightwing.

[Berkey]

Seeing how they toyed with the idea of killing him off around infinite crisis, I'd say he's doing better than I expected. I like the role he has now and with Damian(especially after the latest teen Titans/red robin cross where he states that Grayson is his friend), but if he goes back to nightwing he could still be pretty big, although perhaps now that grayson is a "father like" figure to Damian, perhaps he will pass the Nightwing mantle to him and grayson take on a new persona and still be a team.

[ftbagel]

Not a bad few years for a character who was originally slated to be killed during Infinite Crisis.

As for me, the best that it was going to get for Grayson was during the Dixon years of Nightwing.

[Winghead]

Not even close. As I've said before, I would take 1 Nightwing book that deals with Dick's own villains, love interests and supporting cast over 10 books of what we're getting. As much as I enjoy seeing Richard out of costume talking to Alfred, commissioner Gordon etc., its just not the same. This is Bruce's world. Dick's at its darkest was always lighter. Tony Daniel's Batman basically has him acting like Bruce. 'Tec and B & R are fun reads, but they are good Batman stories, not good Dick Grayson stories. If the rumours that Morrison will be putting the toys back where he found them when he's done are true, I sincerely hope we get a Nightwing book with a great creative team, and Richard Grayson back in the identity he made for himself.

[zur en arrh]

'Tec and B & R are fun reads, but they are good Batman stories, not good Dick Grayson stories.

Snyder's Tec (the Batman side of it, obviously) is all about Dick Grayson specifically. The story thus far has been tailored to fit Dick - put Bruce in the book and the story doesn't work as well.

[zomg]

Dick's own villains*snorts* Give me Pyg, Flamingo heck even White Knight any day of the week over that horrific Nightwing rogues gallery.

[Godlike13]

*snorts* Give me Pyg, Flamingo heck even White Knight any day of the week over that horrific Nightwing rogues gallery.

What, you weren't a fan of this guy...

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/Images/Characters/Stallion.jpg

Ninja Cowboys are the bomb :cool:

[Godlike13]

Tony Daniel's Batman basically has him acting like Bruce.

Not really, maybe a little at first, but Daniel's has made Dick pretty evident in the cowl.

[The Government Inspector]

Is Wally the focus of Flashpoint? No. Would he have been five years ago? Yes.

Five years ago there would not have even been a major Flash event.