How is this "Science" Team Working for You?

[AcesX1X]

utopia is busy establishing itself as a reputable resource for the united states government.

recently, dr. nemesis yelled at magneto for being stressed out over the number of science projects he has going on right now. ever since beast was asked to leave utopia, it seems like the science team has their hands full.

magneto had a credible interest over the breakworld bullet and was pushed out of the lab by dr. death.

my question is: is the science team working out, or are they over-taxed?

does dr. bradley need some help in the labs?

dr. rao seems stressed too....she is having trouble identifying how mutant powers are supposed to work (kitty).

i would say they need some more help than they do. madison jeffries may be on his way out as well, but where are we going to get some mutant scientists? reed richards is gobbling up all the smart people in the marvel universe in some crazy power bid.

[darknessatnoon]

Force Madrox to clean test tubes.

[Skaddix]

They can put Mags, Xavier, Kitty, Cypher and Prodigy in the lab.

Rao is too busy picking up Madison's slack and testing viruses via injecting herself.

Madison is too busy trying to bang toasters instead of building stuff.

And Nemesis is too busy harassing little girls and screwing things over.

[Swashbuckler]

It seems to me they have several resources that they are neglecting to use. Professor X knows a lot about genetics, and his ability to read minds would make him an asset to the group. If he didn't quite get something, he could just glean it. CeCe Reyes is also underutilized. Like she couldn't give the bratty lights their daily physicals? No, it seems to me the snobbery from Nemesis has caused him to loose sight of the important goals, and instead he's stuck being ADD about all the problems at once. Have they even asked the Atlanteans for their thoughts on the Lights? Or on Kitty's condition? Loa is a phaser as well, has she not been consulted?

P.S. Prodigy is only good as a lab rat.

[teddyeatsyourface]

They're less stressed now that they don't have to deal with Beast's giant blue hairballs. :D

How many people do the X-men know and can trust (blackmail) that are smart enough to run utopia's science club? I mean Kitty might help at times, Magneto will help under conditions, Emma.....is Emma she won't do a damn thing. So who else is there besides Dr. Rao and Doc Nemesis?

[AcesX1X]

i think the science team's real problem is a lack of administration. there is no one to delegate responsibilities and all of the scientists are stepping on each others toes.

there needs to be someone assigning tasks, maybe this would be a good place for husk since she's very good at internet research, and has an affinity for using a computer.

cece reyes should absolutely be handling most of the medical care. nurse annie needs to be flown out to utopia to assist her.

they should also stop trying to steal technology from atlantis because they don't know how it works. maybe bringing in an atlantean scientist would probably help them work the technology.

also, madison jeffries needs to be locked out of the lab permanently. he breaks nearly everything he touches and is going to get someone killed sooner or later.

[Swashbuckler]

Madison Jeffries just wants to sex up all the equipment.

[fortyseven]

i think the science team's real problem is a lack of administration. there is no one to delegate responsibilities and all of the scientists are stepping on each others toes.

there needs to be someone assigning tasks, maybe this would be a good place for husk since she's very good at internet research, and has an affinity for using a computer.

cece reyes should absolutely be handling most of the medical care. nurse annie needs to be flown out to utopia to assist her.

they should also stop trying to steal technology from atlantis because they don't know how it works. maybe bringing in an atlantean scientist would probably help them work the technology.

I agree with this.

Example:
Madison Jefferies should not be bandaging up severed legs. Let Cecelia Reyes do that.

[AcesX1X]

also, someone needs to be keeping an eye on dr. rao almost constantly. don't forget this is a woman who tried to "cure" mutants of their genetic disease. she should have a very low clearance, if any.

[Skaddix]

I agree with this.

Example:
Madison Jefferies should not be bandaging up severed legs. Let Cecelia Reyes do that.

Agreed also Rao should not be building Prosthetic Limbs.


also, someone needs to be keeping an eye on dr. rao almost constantly. don't forget this is a woman who tried to "cure" mutants of their genetic disease. she should have a very low clearance, if any.

Nah, just have Emma rewrite her mind and turn her into a mutant lover.

Still I am confused on why Rao is necessary when Xavier is the foremost expert in the field.

[fortyseven]

Agreed also Rao should not be building Prosthetic Limbs.

I thought Jeffries built those? He made Karma's leg. I thought Rao just gave Hellion his, but Jeffries built it.

[AcesX1X]

there is also the issue with bad equipment. xi'an coy manh should absolutely sue the science team for malpractice.

[Skaddix]

I thought Jeffries built those? He made Karma's leg. I thought Rao just gave Hellion his, but Jeffries built it.

Really, it was her lab so I thought she did it. It was confusing though.

[fortyseven]

I want Forge to come back. I miss Forge.
But I do like the Science Team too.

[AcesX1X]

the science team definitely has a lot of potential in my opinion. they are just really disorganized.

japaneseguy shouldn't have died as soon as he did. i really feel like if he were around, there wouldn't be this much chaos in the labs.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Force Madrox to clean test tubes.

I really don't know why they don't use this jerk character and his dupes for menial duties. Every panel should have a dupe of his working on something in the background - taking out trash, replenishing tp rolls, mopping floors, disposing of Hank's armada of used litterboxes. Force him to serve the greater good and his mutant brothers.

[Skaddix]

I want Forge to come back. I miss Forge.
But I do like the Science Team too.

Forge would but them all out of their jobs though.

[Swashbuckler]

I really don't know why they don't use this jerk character and his dupes for menial duties. Every panel should have a dupe of his working on something in the background - taking out trash, replenishing tp rolls, mopping floors, disposing of Hank's armada of used litterboxes. Force him to serve the greater good and his mutant brothers.

At the very least, Rogue could borrow his power and take of this issue. Or Hope could emulate him.

[AcesX1X]

I really don't know why they don't use this jerk character and his dupes for menial duties. Every panel should have a dupe of his working on something in the background - taking out trash, replenishing tp rolls, mopping floors, disposing of Hank's armada of used litterboxes. Force him to serve the greater good and his mutant brothers.

yes, exactly. madrox may have idealogical differences with scott summers, but surely one of his rogue dupes believes in the mutant cause? its really beyond plausibility that not a single dupe has any interest in the utopia model for mutant society.

all hands on deck!

[boobot]

I really don't know why they don't use this jerk character and his dupes for menial duties. Every panel should have a dupe of his working on something in the background - taking out trash, replenishing tp rolls, mopping floors, disposing of Hank's armada of used litterboxes. Force him to serve the greater good and his mutant brothers.

Probably because he's out in the real world, running a business and providing jobs to mutants instead of mooching off Warren.

[AcesX1X]

Probably because he's out in the real world, running a business and providing jobs to mutants instead of mooching off Warren.

less of this please. the mutant race is standing on one leg, and madrox has skills that can be mined for the greater good. running a detective agency for the lost and unwanted isn't helping mutants. the president of the united states himself has gone on record to say that utopia is a precious resource to our government.

[Leirus]

The time for Ciber-Zombie-Moira has arrived. Fueled with Scotch Whiskey and disdain.

[Swashbuckler]

The time for Ciber-Zombie-Moira has arrived. Fueled with Scotch Whiskey and disdain.

Please tell me she wears her Shadow King influenced costume.

[AcesX1X]

The time for Ciber-Zombie-Moira has arrived. Fueled with Scotch Whiskey and disdain.

i can guarantee you if moira was running that lab, she would not tolerate madrox running around solving the mystery of pip the troll's wild nights in vegas.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Probably because he's out in the real world, running a business and providing jobs to mutants instead of mooching off Warren.

This is why I think the character is a jerk. His "detective agency" or whatever goes on in that non-X book is 100% not devoted to the mutant struggle. Mutantdom's very existence is at stake and he's over there in Detroit or wherever, playing wanky wanky under some trenchcoat with an Italian stereotype and some broads and a few pseudo-gay men. Horrible! Where is his devotion? Either sign up or be counted as an enemy.

[Seresecros]

The time for Ciber-Zombie-Moira has arrived. Fueled with Scotch Whiskey and disdain.

We demand it, Marvel!

[Pixie_Solanas]

We demand it, Marvel!

And snug-fit lab unitards! Begorrah!

[AcesX1X]

And snug-fit lab unitards! Begorrah!

"accushla."

[Pixie_Solanas]

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/m_1d/mactaggartmoira.jpg

[AcesX1X]

i can't believe emma/pixie had to go to the avengers for help with getting to the negative zone properly. beyond acceptable.

[Pixie_Solanas]

i can't believe emma/pixie had to go to the avengers for help with getting to the negative zone properly. beyond acceptable.

Par for the course. Why diddle around with Best Buy's "Geek Squad" when you can get some real tech support courtesy of Starktech?

[AcesX1X]

does tony stark employ any mutants that he can assign to utopia? i don't follow his series.

[Pixie_Solanas]

does tony stark employ any mutants that he can assign to utopia? i don't follow his series.

He seems to only employ some shrieking harridan/girl friday that's beyond insufferable.

[Leirus]

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/m_1d/mactaggartmoira.jpg

RaaaaaaaaaaaRRRrrrr!!!

Seriously, Moira would put that Nazi Doctor in his damn place.

[boobot]

This is why I think the character is a jerk. His "detective agency" or whatever goes on in that non-X book is 100% not devoted to the mutant struggle. Mutantdom's very existence is at stake and he's over there in Detroit or wherever, playing wanky wanky under some trenchcoat with an Italian stereotype and some broads and a few pseudo-gay men. Horrible! Where is his devotion? Either sign up or be counted as an enemy.

To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined by finding ways to deal with a world that hates and fears them, IMO Madrox does 1000x more to help mutants by running a mutant business that helps both non-mutants and humans alike than Cyclops's X-Men are doing by openly running a paramilitary force on a quasi-independent rock fortress just off the U.S. Coast. And now openly harboring publicly-known former criminals and terrorists, I might add.

To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined as avoiding extinction by rescuing the "savior" figure, he helped out there as well, at significant personal cost. The guy has to run around with an "M" genetically tattooed onto his face for his trouble.

[Pixie_Solanas]

RaaaaaaaaaaaRRRrrrr!!!

Seriously, Moira would put that Nazi Doctor in his damn place.

She could oscillate that electron microscope with that rigid, unyielding cameltoe of scientific prowess.

Eat that, Rao.


To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined by finding ways to deal with a world that hates and fears them, IMO Madrox does 1000x more to help mutants by running a mutant business that helps both non-mutants and humans alike than Cyclops's X-Men are doing by openly running a paramilitary force on a quasi-independent rock fortress just off the U.S. Coast. And now openly harboring publicly-known former criminals and terrorists, I might add.

To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined as avoiding extinction by rescuing the "savior" figure, he helped out there as well, at significant personal cost. The guy has to run around with an "M" genetically tattooed onto his face for his trouble.

That "mutant business" only exists because of the valiant struggles of those mutants willing to fight and die for their cause, their doctrine, their ideology. He's hiding in the bushes.

[darknessatnoon]

RaaaaaaaaaaaRRRrrrr!!!

Seriously, Moira would put that Nazi Doctor in his damn place.

well, it can't be a coincidence that the a Moira anti-body developed in response to Nemesis.

[Prodigy55]

New science club:

Husk
Shadowcat
Dr. Moira (zombie/robot)
Prodigy
Forge
Danger Cave

[AcesX1X]

boobot, i can't tell if you're being serious or not.

can you please cite specific examples of what madrox' detective agency has accomplished since he broke off from utopia that you consider a "help" to the mutant cause?

[boobot]

That "mutant business" only exists because of the valiant struggles of those mutants willing to fight and die for their cause, their doctrine, their ideology. He's hiding in the bushes.

Struggles of which he was once a part, but now he's gone on to run that helpful business. And that business continues to contribute to the mutant struggle in its own way. Defining an entire group as having to contribute to a struggle in the exact same manner in complete ideological lockstep is abhorrent.

[boobot]

boobot, i can't tell if you're being serious or not.

can you please cite specific examples of what madrox' detective agency has accomplished since he broke off from utopia that you consider a "help" to the mutant cause?

I am being serious. There hasn't been a single act - aiding the mutant struggle doesn't have to be defined in terms of it always being a life-or-death struggle. X-Factor investigations is widely known to have mutants in its employ, and are starting to gain a reputation - at least enough to garner business, mostly non-mutant business. Just the sheer fact of that is helpful to mutantkind in general.

[Leirus]

well, it can't be a coincidence that the a Moira anti-body developed in response to Nemesis.

Lol, that is brilliant. Carey is great on more levels than he himself knows.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Struggles of which he was once a part, but now he's gone on to run that helpful business. And that business continues to contribute to the mutant struggle in its own way. Defining an entire group as having to contribute to a struggle in the exact same manner in complete ideological lockstep is abhorrent.

abhorrent to whose rules? The student-led toppling of the French government in 1968 could be construed as an "entire group in complete ideological lockstep". I'd defy anyone without narrow constriction of terminology to define that event as "abhorrent".

Fine, he doesn't want to play with? Don't trade off the mutant commodification. Go your own way without your powerset.

[darknessatnoon]

Lol, that is brilliant. Carey is great on more levels than he himself knows.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=366019

[Optic Rage]

To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined by finding ways to deal with a world that hates and fears them, IMO Madrox does 1000x more to help mutants by running a mutant business that helps both non-mutants and humans alike than Cyclops's X-Men are doing by openly running a paramilitary force on a quasi-independent rock fortress just off the U.S. Coast. And now openly harboring publicly-known former criminals and terrorists, I might add.

To the extent that the mutant struggle is defined as avoiding extinction by rescuing the "savior" figure, he helped out there as well, at significant personal cost. The guy has to run around with an "M" genetically tattooed onto his face for his trouble.

lol.

101010101010

[AcesX1X]

I am being serious. There hasn't been a single act - aiding the mutant struggle doesn't have to be defined in terms of it always being a life-or-death struggle. X-Factor investigations is widely known to have mutants in its employ, and are starting to gain a reputation - at least enough to garner business, mostly non-mutant business. Just the sheer fact of that is helpful to mutantkind in general.

with 198 mutants left on the planet, i really don't think this is helpful to mutants at all. no results?? it sounds like madrox is just going off-plan for arbitrary reasons.

[Pixie_Solanas]

with 198 mutants left on the planet, i really don't think this is helpful to mutants at all. no results?? it sounds like madrox is just going off-plan for arbitrary reasons.

He's trying to get one of his dupes laid with M. That's all.

[darknessatnoon]

Sounds like boobot thinks that if I opened a 711, I'd be advancing the Arab cause because I spend all day serving up Big Gulps to white ppl.

[boobot]

abhorrent to whose rules? The student-led toppling of the French government in 1968 could be construed as an "entire group in complete ideological lockstep". I'd defy anyone without narrow constriction of terminology to define that event as "abhorrent".

Any one example isn't going to establish that "marching in ideological lockstep" is inherently abhorrent or not. Rather, what I am saying is abhorrent is suggesting that anyone of a certain group who doesn't contribute to a struggle in the exact same manner as some other subset of that group is somehow not contributing, or worthless, etc. It's the old "with or against us" mentality that turns righteous struggles into oppressive regimes so effectively.


Fine, he doesn't want to play with? Don't trade off the mutant commodification. Go your own way without your powerset.

Even if doing so were completely "struggle-neutral," Madrox should be able to trade off any skill set he possesses, including his mutant powers. The fact that he does openly commodify his mutant powers actually aids in mutantkind's struggle by promoting integration in a more open, public, and effective way than anything the X-Men are doing right now.

[AcesX1X]

i think its very telling that cyclops is willing to write off the four x-factor mutants as "acceptable losses."

their priorities are horribly askew. utopia can't afford that kind of attitude when the survival of the race is at hand.

[Optic Rage]

I just googled ''Team Gulp'' You'd be pissing for days.

[boobot]

with 198 mutants left on the planet, i really don't think this is helpful to mutants at all. no results?? it sounds like madrox is just going off-plan for arbitrary reasons.

The results are non-mutants actually patronizing a mutant business. This is a model of integration.


i think its very telling that cyclops is willing to write off the four x-factor mutants as "acceptable losses."

their priorities are horribly askew. utopia can't afford that kind of attitude when the survival of the race is at hand.

What's Utopia going to do? Forcibly relocate any mutants who don't comply?

[AcesX1X]

What's Utopia going to do? Forcibly relocate any mutants who don't comply?

no, publicly embarrass them would be my tactic, but they are doing a fine enough job of that themselves.

[Pixie_Solanas]

The results are non-mutants actually patronizing a mutant business. This is a model of integration.


Even back in Claremont's second run, commercially-integrated mutant marketing was absolutely acceptable. Remember the theme bar Mutie's, where Laura was trussed up in retro gear, barwenching?

There's nothing trailblazing about Madrox's agency.

[boobot]

no, publicly embarrass them would be my tactic, but they are doing a fine enough job of that themselves.

So you think it would be good for the mutant struggle for the X-Men to publicly embarrass and thereby undermine the only publicly-known mutant-owned business outside of Warren's publicly-traded company?

How does this help mutantkind?

[darknessatnoon]

So you think it would be good for the mutant struggle for the X-Men to publicly embarrass and thereby undermine the only publicly-known mutant-owned business outside of Warren's publicly-traded company?

How does this help mutantkind?

Frost Industries is mutant-owned AND out. Madrox isn't following the dream. He's following Sebastian Shaw's business plan.

[AcesX1X]

So you think it would be good for the mutant struggle for the X-Men to publicly embarrass and thereby undermine the only publicly-known mutant-owned business outside of Warren's publicly-traded company?

How does this help mutantkind?

helping pip the troll piece together his vegas hangover and setting him up with an internet account is not helping mutantkind.

when the mutant race is re-established as a solid community again, then madrox can go run play detective. meanwhile, the rest of the mutants are trying to figure out how to keep everyone alive. priorities.

[boobot]

Even back in Claremont's second run, commercially-integrated mutant marketing was absolutely acceptable. Remember the theme bar Mutie's, where Laura was trussed up in retro gear, barwenching?

There's nothing trailblazing about Madrox's agency.

In the post-House of M world, there absolutely is. Even if House of M had never occurred, and there were still an entire section of NY called Mutant Town, a mutant-owned business that integrated and provided services to both mutants and non-mutants alike that wasn't a seedy bar or a brothel would be incredibly trailblazing.

[Swashbuckler]

Madrox is going directly against Cyclops. He's throwing his few followers into the line of fire. Don't tell me you haven't seen Wednesdays cover!!

http://www.legionofcomics.co.uk/acatalog/X-FACTOR_218.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

There is nothing seedier than a detective agency.

[AcesX1X]

rahne is also an agent of cyclops and hasn't been fully deprogrammed for her x-force days. i am convinced there is a switch-word built into her somewhere as a fail safe for x-factor's follies. the second they start actively interferring in mutant affairs, cyclops is going to throw it.

[Leirus]

Madrox is going directly against Cyclops. He's throwing his few followers into the line of fire. Don't tell me you haven't seen Wednesdays cover!!

I remember I thought it was a bit sad when, in Nation X, Madrox was presented as an alternative to Utopia. On one hand, all the mutantkind, on the other, four guys in trenchcoats.

That said, it would have been great if the center of detention of mutants appearing in Messiah Complex was indeed Utopia (the very same place) gone wrong.

[Skaddix]

Lol, clearly its a front. Why else would they be so chummy with Mayor Flattop, hater of all superheroes and super-powered individuals.

[Swashbuckler]

How many mutants is Madrox supervising right now anyhow? M, Banshee, Guido, Rahne? Is that all? It Layla a mutant?

[boobot]

helping pip the troll piece together his vegas hangover and setting him up with an internet account is not helping mutantkind.

Neither is setting up a love nest for Madison Jeffries to pursue his machine fetish, but we both know that neither of these characterizations is a valid summation of what goes on in either X-Factor Investigations or Utopia.


when the mutant race is re-established as a solid community again, then madrox can go run play detective. meanwhile, the rest of the mutants are trying to figure out how to keep everyone alive. priorities.

Now is as good a time as any. Madrox played the role assigned to him to protect the mutant messiah, who was the only thing anyone could think of to re-establish mutantkind. Madrox is free to think that providing additional wallpaper by posing heroically in the background for Cyclops's mutant fortress isn't really providing any additional aid in the struggle.

[AcesX1X]

layla is someone who could be helping the science club with her advanced knowledge and access to doom's technology. another wasted resource.

i'd love for you to provide a "valid summation" of what goes on in x-factor for the forum.

[fortyseven]

lol I love that everyone says "Cyclops is a ruthless dictator. Why are mutants even on Utopia?" but on the other hand will say "Madrox is bad because he isn't a part of the mutant race and won't join Utopia!!"

[boobot]

layla is someone who could be helping the science club with her advanced knowledge and access to doom's technology. another wasted resource.

Pah. If Layla Miller thought that the best place for her to be was Utopia, she'd be on Utopia. Hell, she herself has said she wouldn't really even have any choice in the matter.

[Skaddix]

How many mutants is Madrox supervising right now anyhow? M, Banshee, Guido, Rahne? Is that all? It Layla a mutant?

Layla is a Scarlet Witch Construct. But yes he had four right now. 6 depending on how u count shatterstar and longshot.

[darknessatnoon]

Wouldn't it be nice if the one mutant detective agency solved important mutant mysteries, such as what caused Age of X?

[Skaddix]

lol I love that everyone says "Cyclops is a ruthless dictator. Why are mutants even on Utopia?" but on the other hand will say "Madrox is bad because he isn't a part of the mutant race and won't join Utopia!!"

Hypocrisy is fun without it these boards and the x-books would be boring.

[AcesX1X]

so are you saying that layla knows that x-factor is irrelevant to the mutant cause? very telling information she's let us all in on.

[boobot]

lol I love that everyone says "Cyclops is a ruthless dictator. Why are mutants even on Utopia?" but on the other hand will say "Madrox is bad because he isn't a part of the mutant race and won't join Utopia!!"

I didn't say that. I don't think Cyclops is acting like a dictator. I'm just saying that disagreeing with Cyclops's vision of Utopia doesn't mean that Madrox isn't contributing to the struggle. However, some of the posters' arguments for what Cyclops should do with Madrox would make him a dictator.

[Filthy Mutie]

I never understood how people can say X-Factor does anything for Mutantkind after they went off-plan (fixing M-Day). How long has it been since that thread was even mentioned? Two years? (Remember the 'Second Coming' tie-in? LOL!) We might be getting that again soon in 'Children's Crusade', but geeze--not even the same book, nor the same writer.

Additionally, I never understood why people try to paint Cyclops in a fascist/dictator/communist-as-evil-doer(lol) light. He sent out an invitation for mutants (present, former, and their families) to come to Utopia. He's kept things organized on the field and at a high-level. I don't love the character, but he's not forcing anyone to do anything--unless you're really angry about Anole having to help provide for the community like everyone else on the island.

[Prodigy55]

anole is an x-man, not an x-farmer

[AcesX1X]

cyclops has a society to run and a race to protect and x-factor has two people who know how to operate lab equipment. one of those people also has government operative training.

madrox has a personal problem with cyclops and is running a detective agency to the superpowered stars. it's not hard to see whose priorities are out of line here.

[boobot]

so are you saying that layla knows that x-factor is irrelevant to the mutant cause? very telling information she's let us all in on.

Just the opposite. If Layla Miller "knows stuff" and acts according to her knowledge (usually not by choice) to make things happen according to a certain direction, then it shows that X-Factor isn't irrelevant to the mutant cause.

[Prodigy55]

i don't really trust layla's judgement though. she's from bishop's future...

[AcesX1X]

Just the opposite. If Layla Miller "knows stuff" and acts according to her knowledge (usually not by choice) to make things happen according to a certain direction, then it shows that X-Factor isn't irrelevant to the mutant cause.

or perhaps she's just resigned herself to her fate.

[Leirus]

I never understood how people can say X-Factor does anything for Mutantkind after they went off-plan (fixing M-Day). How long has it been since that thread was even mentioned? Two years? (Remember the 'Second Coming' tie-in? LOL!) We might be getting that again soon in 'Children's Crusade', but geeze--not even the same book, nor the same writer.

Additionally, I never understood why people try to paint Cyclops in a fascist/dictator/communist-as-evil-doer(lol) light. He sent out an invitation for mutants (present, former, and their families) to come to Utopia. He's kept things organized on the field and at a high-level. I don't love the character, but he's not forcing anyone to do anything--unless you're really angry about Anole having to help provide for the community like everyone else on the island.

Well, to be fair there is a trend in the real world of "fighters for the people" and "leaders of the revolution" that never leave the power they adquired while leading their folk in difficult times. There is some ominous, I think unintentional subtext going on there.

[darknessatnoon]

Just the opposite. If Layla Miller "knows stuff" and acts according to her knowledge (usually not by choice) to make things happen according to a certain direction, then it shows that X-Factor isn't irrelevant to the mutant cause.

Her self-proclaimed job is to maintain the status quo, not to improve the mutant cause. In fact, she'd fight anyone who wanted to stop the camps that Bishop grows up in.

[AcesX1X]

Well, to be fair there is a trend in the real world of "fighters for the people" and "leaders of the revolution" that never leave the power they adquired while leading their folk in difficult times. There is some ominous, I think unintentional subtext going on there.

then madrox has a duty to stay on utopia and provide oversight to cyclops if he doesn't believe in what is happening. running around with thor is not helpful.

[Skaddix]

i don't really trust layla's judgement though. she's from bishop's future...

Well Layla set Bishop up so she either wants Hope dead or toughened up. Seeing as Hope now acts like a pampered princess, if Layla is going option 2, her plan has clearly failed. Option 1 might still work.

[Filthy Mutie]

anole is an x-man, not an x-farmer

Everyone is doing their part (mostly off-panel) where their powers are most useful. Iceman helps with garbage disposal, Magneto builds stuff, Warpath guards the fridge, David Alleyne keeps everyone caffeinated, Box builds other stuff, Gambit goes into town for toilet paper, Colossus lifts things, Magik keeps everyone motivated, and Dr. Death gives people their flu shots. What else would Anole be useful for? (I need not mention how important food is on an island nation that is not regarded by the UN.)


Well, to be fair there is a trend in the real world of "fighters for the people" and "leaders of the revolution" that never leave the power they adquired while leading their folk in difficult times. There is some ominous, I think unintentional subtext going on there.
That is true, and the chickens are coming home to roost ('Schism', 'F-Itself'), but we haven't actually seen this yet.

[boobot]

Additionally, I never understood why people try to paint Cyclops in a fascist/dictator/communist-as-evil-doer(lol) light. He sent out an invitation for mutants (present, former, and their families) to come to Utopia. He's kept things organized on the field and at a high-level. I don't love the character, but he's not forcing anyone to do anything--unless you're really angry about Anole having to help provide for the community like everyone else on the island.

Again, I didn't say Cyclops was a dictator. I'm just pointing out that he would be if he thought along the lines of some of the posters in this thread.


i don't really trust layla's judgement though. she's from bishop's future...

Sure. It could be that Layla Miller is leading them all on in some attempt to eliminate the few remaining mutants, just like it could be that Bishop was right about Hope all along. We won't know until we get there.

[Skaddix]

Everyone is doing their part (mostly off-panel) where their powers are most useful. Iceman helps with garbage disposal, Magneto builds stuff, Warpath guards the fridge, David Alleyne keeps everyone caffeinated, Box builds other stuff, Gambit goes into town for toilet paper, Colossus lifts things, Magik keeps everyone motivated, and Dr. Death gives people their flu shots. What else would Anole be useful for? (I need not mention how important food is on an island nation that is not regarded by the UN.)

Experimentation, I am sure Doctor Nemesis would love to test Anole's limb regrowth ability.

[MartinRedmond]

Gambit goes into town for toilet paper

Hurray, coolest Gambit stories ever.

[DeniseXfrost]

Emma.....is Emma she won't do a damn thing. So who else is there besides Dr. Rao and Doc Nemesis?
Being the resident's telephone is a full time job. Okay?

[Leirus]

then madrox has a duty to stay on utopia and provide oversight to cyclops if he doesn't believe in what is happening. running around with thor is not helpful.

Actually it would be nice to have someone asking that kind of questions. Are they a community? A sect? A state? An autocracy? but I am going really off topic.

[AcesX1X]

you'd think a smart madrox would at least pop out a dupe to stay on the island and monitor some things. that version of madrox could help out the science team, since he was moira's intern for so long.

[Prodigy55]

Well Layla set Bishop up so she either wants Hope dead or toughened up. Seeing as Hope now acts like a pampered princess, if Layla is going option 2, her plan has clearly failed. Option 1 might still work.

i really want carey to write layla miller vs hope.

[Filthy Mutie]

Again, I didn't say Cyclops was a dictator. I'm just pointing out that he would be if he thought along the lines of some of the posters in this thread.

Not talking about you. It's a fairly wide-spread sentiment. When Cyclops starts making the hard decisions, because almost everyone else around him is too nice, he then becomes "mean" and that automatically makes him a "fascist/dictator/communist-as-evil-doer(lol)."


Hurray, coolest Gambit stories ever.
Stealing toilet paper is probably very difficult, MartinRedmond. You can't hide those in your trench coat very well, let alone the multipacks. Besides, I bet he puts in all kinds of extra time casing the convenience stores, sussing out their anti-shrink systems, and keeping his patterns very random-yet-organized so as to not alert the authorities.

[Skaddix]

Stealing toilet paper is probably very difficult, MartinRedmond. You can't hide those in your trench coat very well, let alone the multipacks. Besides, I bet he puts in all kinds of extra time casing the convenience stores, sussing out their anti-shrink systems, and keeping his patterns very random-yet-organized so as to not alert the authorities.

Just send Pixie or Illyana to port out the toilet paper after Gambit disables all the security and makes it look like petty theft.

[AcesX1X]

did mimic absorb any of beast's intellect? i know he's mental, and beast doesn't have the best brain to absorb, but it's something.

[MartinRedmond]

I was gonna write "mass shoplifting tp", but I didn't want to influence any CBR reader into commiting that crime.

[Filthy Mutie]

I was gonna write "mass shoplifting tp", but I didn't want to influence any CBR reader into commiting that crime.

I don't know. The idea of a Gambit cos-player being arrested outside a Walgreens for trying to steal a six-pack of toilet paper (and maybe throwing playing cards at authorities) is pretty amusing.

[AcesX1X]

kitty pryde
paige guthrie
danger cave
prodigy
mimic
nurse annie
miss sinister
layla miller
jamie madrox
siryn
beast (dismissed)
warlock
cypher

[fortyseven]

kitty pryde
paige guthrie
danger cave
prodigy
mimic
nurse annie
miss sinister
layla miller
jamie madrox
siryn
beast (dismissed)
warlock
cypher

Dark Beast should join.

[Filthy Mutie]

Dark Beast should join.

I agree. He's like Beast, but isn't afraid to admit who or what he is, and is way more likable. Plus, more often than not, he gets a writer who gives him some snappy dialog.

[fortyseven]

I agree. He's like Beast, but isn't afraid to admit who or what he is, and is way more likable. Plus, more often than not, he gets a writer who gives him some snappy dialog.

I hope he joins in the aftermath of the current X-Men vol 3 arc.

[InSovietRussia]

with 198 mutants left on the planet, i really don't think this is helpful to mutants at all. no results?? it sounds like madrox is just going off-plan for arbitrary reasons.

There is no plan. They all live on a rocky island off of the Northern California coast (instead of in a city with more room, food, amenities, etc) and the science team dicks around doing absolutely nothing. If they have to depend on a Nazi with horrible fashion sense, a Jean Grey knock-off who's found a grand total of 5 mutants so far (and no one has the slightest idea how it is that they still possess the X-gene) and "General" Summers, the mutant race is doomed.

An actual plan might involve finding the Scarlet Witch, or maybe going to Reed Richards' FF for help. Hell, Wakanda's got a crapload of useful tech, and then there's always the High Evolutionary to ask. But do they do that? No, they mope, and have been doing so for years.

[AcesX1X]

I hope he joins in the aftermath of the current X-Men vol 3 arc.

can you imagine how devastated realbeast would be to see utopia welcome dark beast onto its shores?

[AcesX1X]

utopia has activated five new mutants since mday.

madrox and his crew have activated none, and deleted/absorbed one.

[Swashbuckler]

How is Siryn qualified here? Lets not just jam people into the Science Club for the hell of it. It's an intellectual property, not an AA meeting for crying outloud.

[InSovietRussia]

utopia has activated five new mutants since mday.


No, a time-traveling teenager brought up by Cable did that. Utopia hasn't done a thing other than sit around making the muties an easy target for future Sentinels, vampires, mutant flu, etc.

[AcesX1X]

siryn is only included because she swept the floors for moira, and i assume she picked up some lessons along the way. at the very least, she would be qualified to keep the equipment functional.

havok and lorna are welcome to join when they return as well, since they have scientific educations.

[darknessatnoon]

Dark Beast should join.

The Scarlet Witch is a troll for refusing to depower Beast TWICE.

[Prodigy55]

in an issue of x-force, siryn said she and beast were the only people who knew how to use the x-men's espresso machine.

[Swashbuckler]

siryn is only included because she swept the floors for moira, and i assume she picked up some lessons along the way. at the very least, she would be qualified to keep the equipment functional.

havok and lorna are welcome to join when they return as well, since they have scientific educations.

Didn't Toad once steal some technology and show some scientific skill, or am I thinking of someone else?

[Seresecros]

The Scarlet Witch is a troll for refusing to depower Beast TWICE.

Beast WANTS to be depowered.

[Foon4000]

How is Siryn qualified here? Lets not just jam people into the Science Club for the hell of it. It's an intellectual property, not an AA meeting for crying outloud.

She knows about science since she pickled herself.

[darknessatnoon]

Beast WANTS to be depowered.

I think it would be funny if he tried the cure and found out that Sage had made him immune to it.

[AcesX1X]

toad is an option, but my only reservation about him is health code violations.

[fortyseven]

Marrow knows how to surgically graph a bomb to someone's heart. Would that help?

[AcesX1X]

Marrow knows how to surgically graph a bomb to someone's heart. Would that help?

no, but callisto knows all about other-dimensional technology.

[jstar!!]

Isn't Polaris like an astrophysicist or something? She would be a shoo-in.

[fortyseven]

Isn't Polaris like an astrophysicist or something? She would be a shoe-in.

I thought it was geology.

[darknessatnoon]

Isn't Polaris like an astrophysicist or something?

No. Her head is just in the clouds.

[Pixie_Solanas]

No. Her head is just in the clouds.

Her head is inertly gaseous. Like Saturn.

[Aguja]

Sage and Cypher team up. Makes all of the others obsolete.

[Prodigy55]

cypher is the windows ME version of sage

[KusaSan]

The Science Team should work under Ubuntu.

[Pixie_Solanas]

The Science Team should work under Ubuntu.

Is that Gateway's real name?

[InSovietRussia]

Is that Gateway's real name?

Yes, it is.

[Skaddix]

Lol, well Scott is always in the market for more teleporters.

[AcesX1X]

gateway is a mystic, not a scientist. aoa gateway was a scientist though, i think?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Is there a little private hut for Gateway on Utopia?

[ExodusCloak]

Lol, well Scott is always in the market for more teleporters.

What was that name of the teleporter from Excalibur v3? What happened to her?

[Monty_Cristo]

cypher is the windows ME version of sage

Shortpack is the ipod shuffle version of Sage.

[Prodigy55]

gateway is a mystic, not a scientist. aoa gateway was a scientist though, i think?

you can be BOTH, aces. like forge (rip)

[Monty_Cristo]

What was that name of the teleporter from Excalibur v3? What happened to her?

Daytripper? she was promoted.
http://www.comicvine.com/amanda-sefton/29-10970/images/

[ExodusCloak]

Daytripper? she was promoted.

Is she alive? Last thing I remember is Magneto blocking her from entering his house.

Edit that's not her. Be right back.

[AcesX1X]

daytripper is not a scientist! she's a flight attendant.

[Leirus]

Is there a little private hut for Gateway on Utopia?

No need, the little guy is waterproof.

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/07/3/5/9/40102911982374580.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

daytripper is not a scientist! she's a flight attendant.

there's a science to handing out drinks and snacks.


they could always recruit Astra if a teleporter is needed.

[ExodusCloak]

daytripper is not a scientist! she's a flight attendant.

Does Claremont and Milligans White Queen count?

Oh yes it was Hub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_(comics)

[Prodigy55]

i'm sure BOOK was a scientist

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/263048-85557-book.jpg

[ExodusCloak]

i'm sure BOOK was a scientist

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/263048-85557-book.jpg

I forgot about Book. Book is super smart. What about Black Box?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Box_(comics)

[Pixie_Solanas]

Does Claremont and Milligans White Queen count?

Oh yes it was Hub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_(comics)

JAU did a great thread extolling the virtues of HUB.

[ExodusCloak]

JAU did a great thread extolling the virtues of HUB.

I'll do a quick search.

[Aguja]

Is she alive? Last thing I remember is Magneto blocking her from entering his house.

Edit that's not her. Be right back.

She showed up in New X-Men a little bit before Illyana's return. She got thrown out and had lost her memory. I think Surge and Hellion went and harassed her about limbo???

Cyclops also mentioned her trying to open a gateway to Limbo when Colossus was throwing a hissy fit.

She would never slum with the mutants on Utopia though.

[ExodusCloak]

She showed up in New X-Men a little bit before Illyana's return. She got thrown out and had lost her memory. I think Surge and Hellion went and harassed her about limbo???

Cyclops also mentioned her trying to open a gateway to Limbo when Colossus was throwing a hissy fit.

She would never slum with the mutants on Utopia though.

Ah yeah, I meant Hub. Akthough didn't Amanda Sefton port in for Nightcrawlers funeral in Second Coming?

[ExodusCloak]

Edit..double post

[Aguja]

Ah yeah, I meant Hub. Although didn't Amanda Sefton port in for Nightcrawlers funeral in Second Coming?

Did she? I hadn't heard about that. I'd be shocked if Fraction even remembered her.

[ExodusCloak]

Did she? I hadn't heard about that. I'd be shocked if Fraction even remembered her.

They phoned her, or forgot to phone. But she was mentioned. Let me check.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Cyke was working on a letter to Sefton during the SC epilogue.

For reference, Bobby was whining during that scene.

[AcesX1X]

do you guys think book lost all her knowledge when the decimation hit, or did she just lose her ability to absorb new info like prodigy?

either way, she'd make a great addition to utopia.

[jstar!!]

they could always recruit Astra if a teleporter is needed.
Or bring back Lila Cheney!

[darknessatnoon]

Or bring back Lila Cheney!

That's so funny that a Dazzler fan is asking for Lila Cheney to come back. Boy, times they are a changin'.

[Pixie_Solanas]

That's so funny that a Dazzler fan is asking for Lila Cheney to come back. Boy, times they are a changin'.

lol. Perhaps they've finally listened and realized that Dazzler is a better character when counterbalanced with an even more interesting "villain" (or antagonist, i.e. Enchantress, Johnny Sax, Pixie, et al). And none of this Lois London noise, either.

[jstar!!]

Lila's grunge would be reinterpreted as hipster for today's market. She has none of the glamor that makes Dazzler, so I'm not threatened by her.

[Prodigy55]

dazzler fell hard

[darknessatnoon]

lol. Perhaps they've finally listened and realized that Dazzler is a better character when counterbalanced with an even more interesting "villain" (or antagonist, i.e. Enchantress, Johnny Sax, Pixie, et al). And none of this Lois London noise, either.

Still, heresy is heresy. It's hard to see without flinching. Sorry jstar!!, bitches can't coexist.

[Aguja]

do you guys think book lost all her knowledge when the decimation hit, or did she just lose her ability to absorb new info like prodigy?

either way, she'd make a great addition to utopia.

I wonder that as well. I'm inclined to think she retained her knowledge but can't get anymore. Although I wonder what types of books she was studying on Genosha?

She was a Claremont treasure. I would like to see her come to Utopia.