Is Luke Cage's Thunderbolts any good?

[ChristmasFanatic]

I stopped buying monthlies, and in TB's case, stopped when Dark Reign stopped. Didnt pick up Cage's TB. Just wondering if its any good?

I for one want a villain team book. Dark Avengers was great for me(my favorite Avengers book at that time), cuz of the crazy characters scheming/talking trash to one another. I like that. Ego wars. Is it the same for the Thunderbolts? Or is their villainy watered down due to Cage guidance?

THANKS!

[blank_space]

Buy it you'll love it, plenty of scheming and definitely trash talking.

[andybmcd]

Yyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssss!.

[ChristmasFanatic]

Thanks guys! How is it compared to Thunderbolts during Dark Reign(under "Black Widow II")? My only problem is that the characters aint as awesome as in Dark Avengers. Thats why I didnt enjoy TB as I did with Dark Avengers back then.

[blank_space]

Thanks guys! How is it compared to Thunderbolts during Dark Reign(under "Black Widow II")? My only problem is that the characters aint as awesome as in Dark Avengers. Thats why I didnt enjoy TB as I did with Dark Avengers back then.

Honestly I can't give much of a fair viewpoint since I began reading Thunderbolts regularly when Jeff Parker came on board. All I can say is that I did read some issues here and there during dark reign, but it wasn't to my taste.

[ChristmasFanatic]

OK Many thanks man! I didnt enjoyed it as much either. Z-list characters, not my liking. lol

[Genki Sudo]

You should like it as Ghost, Songbird and Moonstone are still there. I like this better then the DR team and I really love that version

[XPac]

I stopped buying monthlies, and in TB's case, stopped when Dark Reign stopped. Didnt pick up Cage's TB. Just wondering if its any good?

I for one want a villain team book. Dark Avengers was great for me(my favorite Avengers book at that time), cuz of the crazy characters scheming/talking trash to one another. I like that. Ego wars. Is it the same for the Thunderbolts? Or is their villainy watered down due to Cage guidance?

THANKS!

Though I do believe the overall quality of the book is at least on par (if not above) the Dark Reign TBolts book, I do think it's fair to say that the villainy is a bit more watered down.

They're still nowhere near as heroic as the pre-Civil War TBolts team... but they're not leashed monsters that we had for most of the post CW TBolts books. It's somewhere in between.

[ChristmasFanatic]

Though I do believe the overall quality of the book is at least on par (if not above) the Dark Reign TBolts book, I do think it's fair to say that the villainy is a bit more watered down.

They're still nowhere near as heroic as the pre-Civil War TBolts team... but they're not leashed monsters that we had for most of the post CW TBolts books. It's somewhere in between.

Darn. Ill probably pass, aside from trying to save for a better future(dont we all?), I just want leashed monsters as you say it, trying to kill eachother and everyone else.

[ChristmasFanatic]

Oh and XPac, all your moves are cool except that Bronco Buster. Looks silly.

[JudgeMortis]

Darn. Ill probably pass, aside from trying to save for a better future(dont we all?), I just want leashed monsters as you say it, trying to kill eachother and everyone else.

Then read Ellis' TB run. Waaaay better than the current run (both in writing and art)

Thats where Dark Avengers got it from.

[ChristmasFanatic]

Then read Ellis' TB run. Waaaay better than the current run (both in writing and art)

Thats where Dark Avengers got it from.

Yeah I got it already.

[Jabare]

This is honestly my favorite marvel team book at the moment. It has everything I want and more. I recommend picking this up

[finfangfool]

I'd say there've been only about 20-30 issues of the series since the debut that haven't been good. If only they'd reprint them (though they are easy to find at cons in the dollar bins).

[Fatguy]

Darn. Ill probably pass, aside from trying to save for a better future(dont we all?), I just want leashed monsters as you say it, trying to kill eachother and everyone else.

It's a really, REALLY good book. One of the best out there right now IMHO. But yeah, if you're just looking for purely bad guys, it's probably not what you're looking for. No more feeding hookers to Venom in between missions type stuff.

[scouse mouse]

Its my joint favourite team book, tied with also amazing Avengers Academy. I like the dynamics of the team and the mojority of the members, even Luke Cage who I had gone off because of his Mary Sueishness under Bendis. The only problem with the book is a fault that leads from Bendis again and that is Parker is writing Moonstone the way Bendis did in Dark Avengers. So instead of the devious, ferociously intelligent manipulator we had in the past; we have a foul mouthed, immature sounding tart instead. I'm hoping Parker will quietly change her back again because then the book will be perfect!

[Kieran_Frost]

I stopped buying monthlies, and in TB's case, stopped when Dark Reign stopped. Didnt pick up Cage's TB. Just wondering if its any good?

I for one want a villain team book. Dark Avengers was great for me(my favorite Avengers book at that time), cuz of the crazy characters scheming/talking trash to one another. I like that. Ego wars. Is it the same for the Thunderbolts? Or is their villainy watered down due to Cage guidance?

THANKS!
It's AMAZING!!! The best comic (in my opinion) month in, month out. And what Parker does so well is balance the darker nature of the characters, with glimmers of redemption/heroism. Moonstone is still manipulative and dangerous, Crossbones added the "monstrous" element similar to Warren Ellis' Venom. Juggernaut does many great, very noble things, while ALSO aiding in revenge and murder. Satana has been added last issue, too.

The two-part arc with "King" Hyperion is a great example of the darker elements of Parker's run. And the new Beta Team is adding some more "monsters on leashes" in the form of Mr. Hyde.
:smile:

[Mr MajestiK]

Darn. Ill probably pass, aside from trying to save for a better future(dont we all?), I just want leashed monsters as you say it, trying to kill eachother and everyone else.

How about you just pick up the first few issues of the book and make up your own mind? :confused:

That usually does the trick. :wink:

If it's barely leashed monsters you're after Crossbones definitely fitted that description in the inaugral issues and for sheer machiavellian intrigue and conspiracy theory mayhem Ghost and Moonstone are still on hand.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the book myself but don't take my word for it.

Check it out yourself. :smile:

[The Fist of Goa]

I'm not up to date with the Tbolts, but honestly, judging from what it sounds like OP is looking for, Uncanny X-Force might be a good book for him to checkout.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

It's great. I highly recommend it.
And it NEEDS buyer support!

[tesh_karde]

Is Atlas still around? I haven't read the book since Fabian was the writer, but Atlas was always my favorite.

[Mr MajestiK]

Is Atlas still around? I haven't read the book since Fabian was the writer, but Atlas was always my favorite.

Agents of ATLAS got cancelled which is unfortunate as it was one of my favourite books alongside Thunderbolts. :frown:

[ChristmasFanatic]

I'm not up to date with the Tbolts, but honestly, judging from what it sounds like OP is looking for, Uncanny X-Force might be a good book for him to checkout.

Ill def. buy the HC of UXF. Its already on my list.

Anyway I cant buy past issues. I live in the Philippines, and once theyre gone, theyre gone. lol. Have to settle with the HC.

THANKS AGAIN all of you!

[Angrel]

Then read Ellis' TB run. Waaaay better than the current run (both in writing and art)

Thats where Dark Avengers got it from.

Ellis' run is bad in comparison to Busiek and Fabian's runs.

The new run feels more like early Bolts so if you liked that (I LOVED it) you'll like it.

Cage thankfully doesn't hogs as much panel time.

[marvell2100]

Is Atlas still around? I haven't read the book since Fabian was the writer, but Atlas was always my favorite.


Agents of ATLAS got cancelled which is unfortunate as it was one of my favourite books alongside Thunderbolts. :frown:

I think he means Atlas the character :wink:. No Atlas isn't on this version and hasn't been on the team for a while.

The book is pretty good and so far, the interesting character to me has been the Ghost. Can't quite figure him out just yet. For some reason, I don't really think he was telling Karla the whole truth about his origin.

[Mr MajestiK]

Ill def. buy the HC of UXF. Its already on my list.

Anyway I cant buy past issues. I live in the Philippines, and once theyre gone, theyre gone. lol. Have to settle with the HC.

THANKS AGAIN all of you!

I'll see what I can do to help you with those back issues. :smile:

[Mr MajestiK]

I think he means Atlas the character :wink:. No Atlas isn't on this version and hasn't been on the team for a while.

The book is pretty good and so far, the interesting character to me has been the Ghost. Can't quite figure him out just yet. For some reason, I don't really think he was telling Karla the whole truth about his origin.

Lol! Thanks for the correction. :biggrin:

[marvell2100]

It's great. I highly recommend it.
And it NEEDS buyer support!

This message has been brought to you by the Songbird Fan Club :biggrin:!

[marvell2100]

Lol! Thanks for the correction. :biggrin:

No problem. I don't hold grudges(Filthy Cities).

[SamSpade]

It's great. I highly recommend it.
And it NEEDS buyer support!

This. I've had alot of fun with it and I love how it spotlights underused characters like Manthing and Hyperion. So yeah, it's 2.99 and it's a good read, what more can you ask for from the house of ideas?

[XPac]

Is Atlas still around? I haven't read the book since Fabian was the writer, but Atlas was always my favorite.

I think the last time we saw him was when Nighthawk briefly hired him in the Last Defenders.

[Mr MajestiK]

No problem. I don't hold grudges(Filthy Cities).

Did you actually get to watch the whole thing? :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeD79bcvXUQ

:biggrin::biggrin:

[marvell2100]

Did you actually get to watch the whole thing? :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeD79bcvXUQ

:biggrin::biggrin:

In small doses. Like a minute at at time. The vomit factor was on high alert.

[crossbones]

Is Thunderbolts(Under Luke Cage) Any Good?

in a word - ABSOLUTELY.

since #144 it's been my favorite Marvel book.

and i used to love the Ellis run. but this is way, way better than that was.

[Mr MajestiK]

In small doses. Like a minute at at time. The vomit factor was on high alert.

If you think that was bad you should see the Filthy Cities: Paris one.

That one was infinitely worse. :biggrin:

[marvell2100]

If you think that was bad you should see the Filthy Cities: Paris one.

That one was infinitely worse. :biggrin:

I'll make sure I watch it about two hours after I eat, lol.

[blehbeh]

Santana has been added last issue, too.


Sweet! His magic guitar-playing skills will really help the team out of some jams! :tongue:

Seriously though, I love this book right now.

[Mr MajestiK]

I'll make sure I watch it about two hours after I eat, lol.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Kieran_Frost]

Sweet! His magic guitar-playing skills will really help the team out of some jams! :tongue:
HAHAHA!!! Whoops! I'll go and edit that post now!
:biggrin:

[Angrel]

This message has been brought to you by the Songbird Fan Club :biggrin:!

And Moonstone's. :wink:

[sparticus]

I'm adding my plus 1 to all those who say this is one of the best books right now. It really is. I'm not a huge fan of gore and blood and violence, I never really got Dark Avengers or X-Force consequentially, but this has an element of that in it, while still being entertaining and comic book. It doesn't do that modern comic book depressiveness. I like the way there was a hint that crossbones was redeemable, and then it slammed shut on him. It's definitely worth picking up the first arc in trade at least. You'll like it.

[Mr MajestiK]

I'm adding my plus 1 to all those who say this is one of the best books right now. It really is. I'm not a huge fan of gore and blood and violence, I never really got Dark Avengers or X-Force consequentially, but this has an element of that in it, while still being entertaining and comic book. It doesn't do that modern comic book depressiveness. I like the way there was a hint that crossbones was redeemable, and then it slammed shut on him. It's definitely worth picking up the first arc in trade at least. You'll like it.

Agreeing with you 100% :biggrin:

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I'm adding my plus 1 to all those who say this is one of the best books right now. It really is. I'm not a huge fan of gore and blood and violence, I never really got Dark Avengers or X-Force consequentially, but this has an element of that in it, while still being entertaining and comic book. It doesn't do that modern comic book depressiveness. I like the way there was a hint that crossbones was redeemable, and then it slammed shut on him. It's definitely worth picking up the first arc in trade at least. You'll like it.

This.
It's dark, but not bloodshed and killing pregnant moms dark. It's almost a light dark series, if that makes sense. You don't have to worry about characters being killed.

[marvell2100]

This.
It's dark, but not bloodshed and killing pregnant moms dark. It's almost a light dark series, if that makes sense. You don't have to worry about characters being killed.

But you have to think that someone is going to get killed somewhere down the line. Maybe someone on the Beta team. I think someone may try to do something foolish like try to escape or not follow orders on a mission and get killed. Lot of underutilized characters out there to make examples of.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

But you have to think that someone is going to get killed somewhere down the line. Maybe someone on the Beta team. I think someone may try to do something foolish like try to escape or not follow orders on a mission and get killed. Lot of underutilized characters out there to make examples of.

True.
I think Parker will be more respectful with character deaths though compared to most other writers.

[strathcona]

I think the line-up is the best it's been since Nicieza left the title, but despite that, it probably is the weakest writing on the title ever (discounting the fightbolts, which I never read, and therefore don't know). I love Parker's work, but for some reason his T-Bolts is not as good as what I am used to from him... but it's still miles better than some of the 'big name' writers that Marvel has. All of this said, I feel the book has been getting better since the 150th issue. It could easily surpass both Diggle and Gage's runs quite soon, and be on par with Ellis's.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I think the line-up is the best it's been since Nicieza left the title, but despite that, it probably is the weakest writing on the title ever (discounting the fightbolts, which I never read, and therefore don't know). I love Parker's work, but for some reason his T-Bolts is not as good as what I am used to from him... but it's still miles better than some of the 'big name' writers that Marvel has. All of this said, I feel the book has been getting better since the 150th issue. It could easily surpass both Diggle and Gage's runs quite soon, and be on par with Ellis's.

Diggle's run was pretty bad though. The team was uninteresting beyond Ghost and were all quite dull.

[JudgeMortis]

Ellis' run is bad in comparison to Busiek and Fabian's runs.

The new run feels more like early Bolts so if you liked that (I LOVED it) you'll like it.

Cage thankfully doesn't hogs as much panel time.

I loved Busiek and Fabian's Truebolts run as much as i did ellis'. (Fabian's era though is my all time favorite.) I havent bought an issue of Thunderbolts since the end of Dark Lame's Failbots when it look like Diggle was bringing back Songbird, Mach V and Fixer.

The current run for me has been a mixture of eh to meh at its best. (Which i feel is far and few between) Though the last issue or two have somewhat caught my attention (the cover of Songbird vs Juggernaut looks awesome). Till then I'll wait a tad longer before i added it back to my pick up list, when it starts feeling like Thunderbolts again. (this Songbird beta team might be what i've been waiting for)

I'll agree i've noticed it seems like they're toning down on the whole 'Cage-factor' in the solicits.

[Skaddix]

There was never a Cage factor in solicits. Its not like Fear Itself tie-in is the first time he has been gone for most of the arc.

[JudgeMortis]

There was never a Cage factor in solicits. Its not like Fear Itself tie-in is the first time he has been gone for most of the arc.

Actually, during the Scared Straight arc (read it mainly for the Avengers Academy ties) the only main character mention is Cage, despite Warden Walker and Songbird having big scenes themselves. Same with Shadowland tie-in.

And now that you mention it, that something that bugs me too. Considering he's always gone, they still call it Cage's Thunderbolts despite Walker the one actually in charge and the old school Bolts leading the team.

[Skaddix]

Actually, during the Scared Straight arc (read it mainly for the Avengers Academy ties) the only main character mention is Cage, despite Warden Walker and Songbird having big scenes themselves. Same with Shadowland tie-in.

And now that you mention it, that something that bugs me too. Considering he's always gone, they still call it Cage's Thunderbolts despite Walker the one actually in charge and the old school Bolts leading the team.

Not really. Walker is in charge of the Raft. Cage is in charge of the Thunderbolts Program. Songbird is now in charge of Beta. The fact remains without Cage the government will shut down the The whole Thunderbolts Program.

Also the Shadowland reference was basically saying Cage was away to deal with his friend daredevil, which is true and the only reason the T-bolts got invited.

[JudgeMortis]

Not really. Walker is in charge of the Raft. Cage is in charge of the Thunderbolts Program. Songbird is now in charge of Beta. The fact remains without Cage the government will shut down the The whole Thunderbolts Program.

Also the Shadowland reference was basically saying Cage was away to deal with his friend daredevil, which is true and the only reason the T-bolts got invited.
Honestly that wouldn't bother me a bit if they shut down the 'program'. The book was better (imo) when it wasn't a bunch of felons on a work release program with nanite leashes. When villains actually were honest about reforming and proving they were better than anyone thought they could be.

[XPac]

Honestly that wouldn't bother me a bit if they shut down the 'program'. The book was better (imo) when it wasn't a bunch of felons on a work release program with nanite leashes. When villains actually were honest about reforming and proving they were better than anyone thought they could be.

This books is sort of a compromise.

Fabians book was villains that for the most part were genuinely trying to seek redemption and become heroes. Ellis book, as I argued earlier, was simply about leashed monsters. Both were very good well received books.

This kind of falls somewhere in the middle. It's got elements of both. Whether that's a good thing or a bad I suppose depends on the reader.

[Mr MajestiK]

Honestly that wouldn't bother me a bit if they shut down the 'program'. The book was better (imo) when it wasn't a bunch of felons on a work release program with nanite leashes. When villains actually were honest about reforming and proving they were better than anyone thought they could be.

So far, the book has been an interesting ride as far as storytelling and character exposition has been concerned and to be quite frank, Luke Cage's portrayal in this book has been nothing short of stellar.

Thankfully, the same can be said for all the other characters featured in the book with possible exception of Moonstone who I feel is not being used to her full potential.

Crossbone's cold blooded murder of the policeman they were sent to rescue was well within the boundaries of his character and Ghost remains as enigmatic as ever in his role as pessimistic conspiracy theorist who may know a lot more about the inner workings of the world than most would want to admit.

Man Thing is just surreal and other worldly on so many planes that just increases the overall enjoyment of the book and Cain Marko is a character who I just find myself liking more and more with each appearance.

I am however looking forward to seeing more of Songbird with the Thunderbolts Beta initiative so all-in-all I'm pretty much impressed with what's been on offer so far.

It's a thoroughly enjoyable book. :smile:

[marvell2100]

The recent developments in Thunderbolts look pretty good. Songbird getting her own team. I'm glad they gave her some input on picking people for the Beta team. Ghost had an excellent story and is always involved in the storylines. Everyone gets their share of the spotlight and the book has never really been Cage heavy. I want to see who Songbird has on her team. I'm sure Gunna will be one of the members.

[Mr MajestiK]

The recent developments in Thunderbolts look pretty good. Songbird getting her own team. I'm glad they gave her some input on picking people for the Beta team. Ghost had an excellent story and is always involved in the storylines. Everyone gets their share of the spotlight and the book has never really been Cage heavy. I want to see who Songbird has on her team. I'm sure Gunna will be one of the members.

The funny thing is that even if the book had been "Cage heavy" (whatever the heck that's supposed to mean) why would that have been looked at as being a problem?

Every team based book has a leader but in this particular book, Cage has been given the responsibility of setting the Thunderbolt's inductee's on the right path by virtue of firstly, his history as an ex-con (albeit falsely imprisoned) and secondly, his experience as a super powered adventurer wo's still remained grounded in spite of his previous history.

Cage actually serves a valid purpose in this book as opposed to th lack of direction that's characterized his supposed "leadership" of the New Avengers under the pen of Brian Bendis.

Walker gets on my damn nerves but you'd never catch me saying that he has no place within the pages of the Thunderbolts book or that he's hogging face time because I respect the fact that he's part of the integral makeup of the book and accept him as being such.

The balance of Luke Cage when juxtaposed alongside his Thunderbolt charges is well balanced and fair so there's really no need for anyone to complain either way.

Wicked post by the way. :biggrin:

[marvell2100]

The funny thing is that even if the book had been "Cage heavy" (whatever the heck that's supposed to mean) why would that have been looked at as being a problem?

Every team based book has a leader but in this particular book, Cage has been given the responsibility of setting the Thunderbolt's inductee's on the right path by virtue of firstly, his history as an ex-con (albeit falsely imprisoned) and secondly, his experience as a super powered adventurer wo's still remained grounded in spite of his previous history.

Cage actually serves a valid purpose in this book as opposed to th lack of direction that's characterized his supposed "leadership" of the New Avengers under the pen of Brian Bendis.

Walker gets on my damn nerves but you'd never catch me saying that he has no place within the pages of the Thunderbolts book or that he's hogging face time because I respect the fact that he's part of the integral makeup of the book and accept him as being such.

The balance of Luke Cage when juxtaposed alongside his Thunderbolt charges is well balanced and fair so there's really no need for anyone to complain either way.

Wicked post by the way. :biggrin:

I agree. Luke is the leader of the team and he should get the lion's share of the spotlight. Parker has done a great job of balancing all of the characters and his Cage is well done. Luke is shown as a competant leader who knows his people and has very good leadership skills. And I agree that it's a better showing of him here than in NA at this time. Luke is the right man for the job and the rest of the team is responding to his leadership. And it's done in a way that it doesn't overshadow the rest of the team.

But can I say that I like that Songbird is getting her own team? They have to do a mini with her team sometime soon.

Btw, "Cage heavy" is a way of saying that the book is more focused on Luke than the rest of the team which it isn't.

[XPac]

I agree. Luke is the leader of the team and he should get the lion's share of the spotlight. Parker has done a great job of balancing all of the characters and his Cage is well done. Luke is shown as a competant leader who knows his people and has very good leadership skills. And I agree that it's a better showing of him here than in NA at this time. Luke is the right man for the job and the rest of the team is responding to his leadership. And it's done in a way that it doesn't overshadow the rest of the team.

But can I say that I like that Songbird is getting her own team? They have to do a mini with her team sometime soon.

Btw, "Cage heavy" is a way of saying that the book is more focused on Luke than the rest of the team which it isn't.

The New Avengers is a completely different sort of animal than the TBolts.

I don't think the NA post CW ever really had a leader... nor frankly am I sure they ever needed one. They seemed to decide things collectively, and it worked. I think Cage was sort of the glue that held the team together during some rough times... but overall they were all kind of equals. Even when Clint went out of his way to try and establish some sort of chain in command, the team basically said: "Sure Clint, you can be leader" before continuing to ignore that established chain of command and decide things as a group.

Obviously the Thunderbolts can't be handled in the same manner. They're a bunch of criminals. Cage is there specifically to lead this team around by the leash. No way you can have the inmates running the asylum.

[marvell2100]

The New Avengers is a completely different sort of animal than the TBolts.

I don't think the NA post CW ever really had a leader... nor frankly am I sure they ever needed one. They seemed to decide things collectively, and it worked. I think Cage was sort of the glue that held the team together during some rough times... but overall they were all kind of equals. Even when Clint went out of his way to try and establish some sort of chain in command, the team basically said: "Sure Clint, you can be leader" before continuing to ignore that established chain of command and decide things as a group.

Obviously the Thunderbolts can't be handled in the same manner. They're a bunch of criminals. Cage is there specifically to lead this team around by the leash. No way you can have the inmates running the asylum.

I do think at some point however that they are going to have to formally have a leader in NA. You can't have everyone trying to make key decisions in critical moments. I don't think that can go on like that forever.

[strathcona]

Diggle's run was pretty bad though. The team was uninteresting beyond Ghost and were all quite dull.

I know Diggle's run wasn't that well liked, but I thought it was quite good. Better cast than Ellis had (Ellis may have done a good job, but bringing in Osborn, Venom and Bullseye was a bad move IMO). Yeah, Mr. X and Scourge/Nuke were boring... and I have never been interested in Yelena Bolova, but Ghost was an inspired addition, and I liked Paladin, Ant-Man and Headsman... the had a good rapport going. I was genuinely shocked with Headsman's death.

[Mr MajestiK]

I agree. Luke is the leader of the team and he should get the lion's share of the spotlight. Parker has done a great job of balancing all of the characters and his Cage is well done. Luke is shown as a competant leader who knows his people and has very good leadership skills. And I agree that it's a better showing of him here than in NA at this time. Luke is the right man for the job and the rest of the team is responding to his leadership. And it's done in a way that it doesn't overshadow the rest of the team.

Agreed 100%


But can I say that I like that Songbird is getting her own team? They have to do a mini with her team sometime soon.

LOL!

You don't need anyone's permission to tell what is essentially the truth.

Songbird is a character who's more than earned her right to pick, choose and lead a team by virtue of dedicated service and a genuine desire to do the right thing.


Btw, "Cage heavy" is a way of saying that the book is more focused on Luke than the rest of the team which it isn't.

I knew that and to be quite honest, was not really directing the main thrust of my response towards you. (even though I quoted your post in my response)

I'm in agreement with you that the book is in no way Cage-centric but evenly balanced to give all of the characters a chance to shine equally. :biggrin:

[Mr MajestiK]

I know Diggle's run wasn't that well liked, but I thought it was quite good. Better cast than Ellis had (Ellis may have done a good job, but bringing in Osborn, Venom and Bullseye was a bad move IMO). Yeah, Mr. X and Scourge/Nuke were boring... and I have never been interested in Yelena Bolova, but Ghost was an inspired addition, and I liked Paladin, Ant-Man and Headsman... the had a good rapport going. I was genuinely shocked with Headsman's death.

I really hated the way the Headsman met his waterloo.

He was a cool cat. :frown:

[Angrel]

I loved Busiek and Fabian's Truebolts run as much as i did ellis'. (Fabian's era though is my all time favorite.) I havent bought an issue of Thunderbolts since the end of Dark Lame's Failbots when it look like Diggle was bringing back Songbird, Mach V and Fixer.

The current run for me has been a mixture of eh to meh at its best. (Which i feel is far and few between) Though the last issue or two have somewhat caught my attention (the cover of Songbird vs Juggernaut looks awesome). Till then I'll wait a tad longer before i added it back to my pick up list, when it starts feeling like Thunderbolts again. (this Songbird beta team might be what i've been waiting for)

I'll agree i've noticed it seems like they're toning down on the whole 'Cage-factor' in the solicits.

It truly feels more like an old school feel for Bolts since #144.

I think you should give it a shot as the Hyperion mission and even the Shadowland tie-ins were pretty entertaining.

Only thing that I personally don't like as much is the art but that's just me.

[Angrel]

Not really. Walker is in charge of the Raft. Cage is in charge of the Thunderbolts Program. Songbird is now in charge of Beta. The fact remains without Cage the government will shut down the The whole Thunderbolts Program.

Also the Shadowland reference was basically saying Cage was away to deal with his friend daredevil, which is true and the only reason the T-bolts got invited.

They will shut down the government "pull" on the Bolts but the Bolts aren't government puppets if we go by their origins.

Man, I truly wish the Bolts breakout and escape from the Avengers' shadows and be their own team again.

[Skaddix]

They will shut down the government "pull" on the Bolts but the Bolts aren't government puppets if we go by their origins.

Man, I truly wish the Bolts breakout and escape from the Avengers' shadows and be their own team again.

No it means they sit in their cells. Now they are government puppets. Origins are irrelevant.

Well Juggernaut is busting out for Fear Itself which lets most prisoners escape but the Tbolts still have nanites. Them being on the run would just mean the gov hunts them down.

[marvell2100]

I knew that and to be quite honest, was not really directing the main thrust of my response towards you. (even though I quoted your post in my response)

I'm in agreement with you that the book is in no way Cage-centric but evenly balanced to give all of the characters a chance to shine equally. :biggrin:

I know. I'm still getting back at you for Filthy Cities. I'm doing Paris later in the week.

[Mr MajestiK]

I know. I'm still getting back at you for Filthy Cities. I'm doing Paris later in the week.

Haha!

Part 3 of that series will be broadcast on the 19th of April.

I'll be sure to hoo you up.

You'll never look at Italian spicy sausage meat the same again. :biggrin:

[Angrel]

No it means they sit in their cells. Now they are government puppets. Origins are irrelevant.

Well Juggernaut is busting out for Fear Itself which lets most prisoners escape but the Tbolts still have nanites. Them being on the run would just mean the gov hunts them down.

I'm sure that Fixer would take away the nanites issue if he turns down the government deal.

About the government chasing them, won't be the first time and in the recent from the Vault issue, the Bolts did made an impact on the Denver area and they missed them.

It would just be another relocation effort but they will surpass the Avengers in time...again. :cool:

[Skaddix]

I'm sure that Fixer would take away the nanites issue if he turns down the government deal.

About the government chasing them, won't be the first time and in the recent from the Vault issue, the Bolts did made an impact on the Denver area and they missed them.

It would just be another relocation effort but they will surpass the Avengers in time...again. :cool:

that supposes he has the ability

should be easy the initiative is back as well.

Doubtful.

[Angrel]

Don't underestimate Fixer's skills. He has proven he is top tier with handling many gizmos.

And the Bolts have defeated the Avengers' clearly in the past which is one of the reasons the famous Moonstone incident happened and Steve's hypocritical position regarding them and why the Avengers want them under their thumb.

They are jealous and paranoid of them. Steve knows what's up.

[XPac]

Don't underestimate Fixer's skills. He has proven he is top tier with handling many gizmos.

And the Bolts have defeated the Avengers' clearly in the past which is one of the reasons the famous Moonstone incident happened and Steve's hypocritical position regarding them and why the Avengers want them under their thumb.

They are jealous and paranoid of them. Steve knows what's up.

I think the Avengers want the TBolts under their thumb because the current batch are all criminals.

Past versions of the team at least were trying to be heroes on good days... but the current ones would probably be out there committing crimes if the Avengers didn't keep them under their thunb.

[Angrel]

I think the Avengers want the TBolts under their thumb because the current batch are all criminals.

Past versions of the team at least were trying to be heroes on good days... but the current ones would probably be out there committing crimes if the Avengers didn't keep them under their thunb.

Yeah!

And the same heroes version of the Bolts weren't given the courtesy of explaining the situation on that Bolts/Avengers crossover. Moonstone and even Hawkeye called the Avengers and Steve out on their hipocrisy.

But you are absolutely correct that after Osborn, some measures of security should be taken but it doesn't feel right at all to consider the Bolts, the triple A team for the Avengers considering both teams' history.

[XPac]

Yeah!

And the same heroes version of the Bolts weren't given the courtesy of explaining the situation on that Bolts/Avengers crossover. Moonstone and even Hawkeye called the Avengers and Steve out on their hipocrisy.

But you are absolutely correct that after Osborn, some measures of security should be taken but it doesn't feel right at all to consider the Bolts, the triple A team for the Avengers considering both teams' history.

Considering what Zemo was actually doing in TBolts/Avengers (and frankly what Zemo is doing right now), I don't think the Avengers are losing too much sleep over not giving Zemo the benefit of the doubt.

But either way, this is a very different group of TBolts. I doubt even Songbird would agree that guys like Crossbones should be walking around unsupervised.

[Angrel]

But that wasn't Zemo only. The Avengers didn't even trusted Hawkeye so that speaks volumes.

Agreed on the Crossbones part and eventually, well...Juggernaut. -_-

[shades of eternity]

Other then despirately needing to give Abe his own storyarc, it's pretty fun.

Juggs and ghost have this great give and take that really cements them on the team.

Fixer's planning something with that chip on his shoulder. To what degree remains to be seen. Kinda hope he doesn't go supervillian again, but I'd love him to start being a bit passive aggressive against cage.

[BobfromHR]

Juggernaut does many great, very noble things,


Remember folks. The Juggernaut just appearing on panel not actually killing/destroying is considered a great and noble thing by some people.

[Hypestyle]

the thunderbolts are the best that they have ever been led by Luke Cage..

[Kieran_Frost]

Diggle's run was pretty bad though. The team was uninteresting beyond Ghost and were all quite dull.
I've loved every incarnation of the Thunderbolts, so no surprise I enjoyed Diggle's run too. YES, it probably counts as my "least favourite run", but I still think it was great. Burning Down the House was an AMAZING arc (one of my all time favourites); and the on-going subplot of Songbird putting "the Blues Brothers back together" was great. Diggle's Ghost was fantastic (I still believe it was always intended to be Zemo in disguise), and the way he captured Yelena's Russian accent in dialogue was very impressive. He added a lot of character moments (Ghost/Headsman, Paladin/Ant-Man, Ghost/Yelena) in and amongst the fighting... really the MAJOR problem with Diggle's run is it ended very suddenly, and all his groundwork went no-where (esp. the Songbird subplot of reforming the team). I would love to hear from Diggle what he game-plan was going to be, had he stayed on the team.


Remember folks. The Juggernaut just appearing on panel not actually killing/destroying is considered a great and noble thing by some people.
Actually I was refering to when the Juggernaut dove into the sea to save a drowning Moonstone and Songbird; when he "pretended" to join the jail break, saving the guards life, and getting the convicts captured by the jellyfish; when he went to save the Academy kids from Man-Thing. Or do you not count saving lives as a heroic thing?
:tongue:


I agree. Luke is the leader of the team and he should get the lion's share of the spotlight. Parker has done a great job of balancing all of the characters and his Cage is well done. Luke is shown as a competant leader who knows his people and has very good leadership skills. And I agree that it's a better showing of him here than in NA at this time. Luke is the right man for the job and the rest of the team is responding to his leadership. And it's done in a way that it doesn't overshadow the rest of the team.
I'm all for Cage being the leader, but I don't agree with this statement on principle. I feel a team book should be well balanced about all the cast (and Parker IS doing that, which makes it such a great team book), not just focused on the team leader. That's what put me off Secret Avengers, it's not really a team book, it's Steve Rogers and Co. Credit to Warren Ellis, his Thunderbolts was very well balanced as a team book too (and his Astonishing X-men, which was AWESOME).


It truly feels more like an old school feel for Bolts since #144.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!


Considering what Zemo was actually doing in TBolts/Avengers (and frankly what Zemo is doing right now), I don't think the Avengers are losing too much sleep over not giving Zemo the benefit of the doubt
Was that before or after Zemo saved the universe? :wink:


Fixer's planning something with that chip on his shoulder. To what degree remains to be seen. Kinda hope he doesn't go supervillian again, but I'd love him to start being a bit passive aggressive against cage.
I'm still curious who his ally/benefactor is? Zemo is the obvious choice, but maybe a re-teaming with Mentello is on the cards?

[sparticus]

Credit to Warren Ellis, his Thunderbolts was very well balanced as a team book too (and his Astonishing X-men, which was AWESOME).



Really? His Astonishing X-Men? Gosh no.

[Countgate]

The earlies issues of the run ranged from good to mediocre, but after the riot at the Raft, the book became consistently good. So, yes (except for Luke Cage). :tongue:

[Farson89]

It's good but it fails to reach the highs of the Warren Ellis era, it's pretty much on par with the dark reign stories.

[Kieran_Frost]

Really? His Astonishing X-Men? Gosh no.
Really? You don't feel it was balanced? In three issue arcs, almost all the main cast, at some point, got to solve (or save) the problem. Storm, Cyclops, Emma and Beast all got story arcs where they played a big role, and Wolverine (while not getting "story time" was nonetheless prominent). Only Armour "lost out", and even then, she still did plenty, and got plenty of fight moments. How come you didn't feel it was balanced? Who do you think stole the arcs every time?

[ChristmasFanatic]

Once again, thanks guys! Only thing I like about Cage though is when he says SWEET CHRISTMAS!

[XPac]

Was that before or after Zemo saved the universe? :wink:




Considering it was his fault the universe was in danger in the first place, I'd say he only breaks even there.

[RC-1138]

Thunderbolts is the Best series I ever read about marvel and the Story now with the Convicts of the Raft and the Old Pals of the team (Fixer & Jenkins) is pure gold higly raccomandet to all fans!

Reading the Last topics I see a little comment about Luke Cage in is leadership role of the Thunderbolts. For what I read in the Comics Luke Cage isn't a bad Choose but neither a good one. Come On! , He is more troubled than satisfed about is work with the Thunderbolts (Understable by many motives: He can't see his Family , His Work with The Avengers take him so much time, etc.) neither the actually Team (Really Masterpiece choises for the members) look at him for necessity or anything. In conclusion by my opinion He is "The Man" who can at Last do his work right but His role isn't comparable with Clint Barton /"Hawkeye" (In my Opinion the Best leader of the Thunderbolts in their entire story) or Baron Helmut Zemo in His best Shape (after the Counter-earth arc).

[brundlefly]

The earlies issues of the run ranged from good to mediocre, but after the riot at the Raft, the book became consistently good. So, yes (except for Luke Cage). :tongue:

That's my take, too (including not caring for the "Cage as T-Bolts leader" aspect). This incarnation had a rough start, but it is steadily improving. It's not at the same level as the Busiek, Nicieza, or Ellis T-Bolts eras, but it's still a quite solid and entertaining read. I like the idea of the Beta team and am curious as to who will end up filling that roster.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd like to lend my voice in support. I've really enjoyed the book since its Heroic Age relaunch. Jeff Parker's been doing a great job, and the artwork is spot on, too.

[Huthaifa]

One of my favorite monthly reads. Its not a Cage book. It is way more balanced than that.

[Professor Moriarty]

Read Thunderbolts or i'll kick you in the shin.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Having never read any of the previous creator/team incarnations, I have been absolutely loving this book and all its characters, immensely since the start of Parker's run...It is certainly on my list of MR/MB (must read/must buy) every month. And to think, I picked it up on a whim initially, solely for the art.

[Imraith Nimphais]

One of my favorite monthly reads. Its not a Cage book. It is way more balanced than that.

...it can be argued that Cage often gets overshadowed by the other characters in the book...in terms of in-panel action, plotline and dialogue...but I agree...it is more balanced than others would make to seem.

[Mr MajestiK]

...it can be argued that Cage often gets overshadowed by the other characters in the book...in terms of in-panel action, plotline and dialogue...but I agree...it is more balanced than others would make to seem.

It's all a matter of perspective.

One almost gets the impression that there's some measure of resentment towards Cage being in charge of the Thunderbolt's for some unfathomable reason. :confused:

[Kieran_Frost]

Considering it was his fault the universe was in danger in the first place, I'd say he only breaks even there.
Ah! Actually, I meant stopping the Grandmaster gaining the power of the Wellspring, but you are right, he did save the multi-verse from Genis' too. So that's TWICE he's saved the universe. Pretty damn cool, for someone who Steve Rogers judges as "not worthy of heroism".


I'd like to lend my voice in support. I've really enjoyed the book since its Heroic Age relaunch. Jeff Parker's been doing a great job, and the artwork is spot on, too.
I 100% agree with these statements!!!


One almost gets the impression that there's some measure of resentment towards Cage being in charge of the Thunderbolt's for some unfathomable reason. :confused:
A few readers dislike Cage being Bendis' favourite and feel any inclusion (not matter how small), is therefore "linked" to Bendis, which makes it a bad thing. Cyclops/Fraction gets the same back-lash... and to a MUCH lesser extent, so does Steve Rogers/Brubaker, at-least when it comes to Secret Avengers.


Reading the Last topics I see a little comment about Luke Cage in is leadership role of the Thunderbolts. For what I read in the Comics Luke Cage isn't a bad Choose but neither a good one. Come On! , He is more troubled than satisfed about is work with the Thunderbolts (Understable by many motives: He can't see his Family , His Work with The Avengers take him so much time, etc.) neither the actually Team (Really Masterpiece choises for the members) look at him for necessity or anything.
I agree, Luke comes across as a much more skilled leader in Thunderbolts, than in New Avengers (I would argue that is obviously due to Parker being better at "strategic planning" writing than Bendis... except Osborn in Dark Avengers came across as incredibly skilled/intelligent as a field leader... so I don't know how to feel about it).
:confused:

[XPac]

Ah! Actually, I meant stopping the Grandmaster gaining the power of the Wellspring, but you are right, he did save the multi-verse from Genis' too. So that's TWICE he's saved the universe. Pretty damn cool, for someone who Steve Rogers judges as "not worthy of heroism".



He wasn't entirely innocent in that whole Grandmaster thing either.

And again, considering what Zemo is presently doing, I think any doubts people have had about him are completely justified.

If Zemo wants to be a hero, he can stand acting like one. If he chooses to act like a villain instead, that's fine too... but he'll be treated accordingly.

[marvell2100]

It's all a matter of perspective.

One almost gets the impression that there's some measure of resentment towards Cage being in charge of the Thunderbolt's for some unfathomable reason. :confused:

I don't get it myself. The current storyline with Songbird getting her own team is great and she get's as much screen time as Cage. They all get a share of the spotlight. Cage is the leader of the team so he is going to appear in alot of the storylines and get alot of play. But it's not like he's the one solving all of the problems or defeating the villains all by himself. This is a good example of a team book where everyone gets a chance to shine.

The sublplots are really good and involve alot of the individual team members. The only one who isn't getting much time right now is Abe. But it's not like he's totally ignored. They just haven't done a storyline revolving around him yet. Regardless this is a good book. I wasn't too sure about the initial lineup(Crossbones being on the team) but alot of the unredeemables have been removed(King Hyperion too).

[Sean Walsh]

I didn't care for the dark turn the book took when Ellis (and later Diggle) took over - thought its theme makes sense overall for a group like this, I guess? - but it's better now.

For me, it was very much always an old school-like superhero book (about redemption), and I got used to it being that. But when the villains retook the asylum, if you will, it got dark and got mean and it lost me.

Parker's made it better. His first few issues (with the old team of meanies) brought back the idea of redemption to the forefront.....

[XPac]

I don't get it myself. The current storyline with Songbird getting her own team is great and she get's as much screen time as Cage. They all get a share of the spotlight. Cage is the leader of the team so he is going to appear in alot of the storylines and get alot of play. But it's not like he's the one solving all of the problems or defeating the villains all by himself. This is a good example of a team book where everyone gets a chance to shine.

The sublplots are really good and involve alot of the individual team members. The only one who isn't getting much time right now is Abe. But it's not like he's totally ignored. They just haven't done a storyline revolving around him yet. Regardless this is a good book. I wasn't too sure about the initial lineup(Crossbones being on the team) but alot of the unredeemables have been removed(King Hyperion too).

Hmmm... perhaps some just don't like the fact that Cage is leader of 2 teams on 2 books and they'd rather have a character that isn't already being given such a high profile position a shot.

If that's the case I can kind of understand it... though I dig Cage, so I'm happy. He can lead ALL the Avenger teams for all I care.

[marvell2100]

Hmmm... perhaps some just don't like the fact that Cage is leader of 2 teams on 2 books and they'd rather have a character that isn't already being given such a high profile position a shot.

If that's the case I can kind of understand it... though I dig Cage, so I'm happy. He can lead ALL the Avenger teams for all I care.

That could be the case. But as you pointed out earlier, Cage isn't the official leader of NA, it's almost done by committe. If that's what it's about, then they are missing out on a great title with some very good character interaction.

[TanGent]

I don't get it myself. The current storyline with Songbird getting her own team is great and she get's as much screen time as Cage. They all get a share of the spotlight. Cage is the leader of the team so he is going to appear in alot of the storylines and get alot of play. But it's not like he's the one solving all of the problems or defeating the villains all by himself. This is a good example of a team book where everyone gets a chance to shine.

The sublplots are really good and involve alot of the individual team members. The only one who isn't getting much time right now is Abe. But it's not like he's totally ignored. They just haven't done a storyline revolving around him yet. Regardless this is a good book. I wasn't too sure about the initial lineup(Crossbones being on the team) but alot of the unredeemables have been removed(King Hyperion too).

The bolded is exactly why I love this title so much. I'm a huge fan of team books(I prefer 'em to solos) and few people do team books as well as Parker does them.

Of course the stylish art and all the cameos of obscure and underused characters only adds to my enjoyment.

I will say this though, things move along rather quickly in this book. If you prefer slower paced stories, this may not be the book for you.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Hmmm... perhaps some just don't like the fact that Cage is leader of 2 teams on 2 books and they'd rather have a character that isn't already being given such a high profile position a shot.
If that's the case I can kind of understand it... though I dig Cage, so I'm happy. He can lead ALL the Avenger teams for all I care.

I do not understand this at all.

If Steve Rogers can be the leader of Avengers and the main character in his books. Likewise Scott Summers in X-Men, then so too can Luke Cage. If you don't like the character...fine...it would not matter where the chsaracter is placed and I would think that you would not be bothered to read any title in which he appears...but to say, in effect, you don't like Luke Cage because he is headlining too many titles...is a tad rediculous. Even more so as he is being written by two vastly different writers.

[marvell2100]

The bolded is exactly why I love this title so much. I'm a huge fan of team books(I prefer 'em to solos) and few people do team books as well as Parker does them.

Of course the stylish art and all the cameos of obscure and underused characters only adds to my enjoyment.

I will say this though, things move along rather quickly in this book. If you prefer slower paced stories, this may not be the book for you.

I do like Kev Walker's art.

[marvell2100]

I do not understand this at all.

If Steve Rogers can be the leader of Avengers and the main character in his books. Likewise Scott Summers in X-Men, then so too can Luke Cage. If you don't like the character...fine...it would not matter where the chsaracter is placed and I would think that you would not be bothered to read any title in which he appears...but to say, in effect, you don't like Luke Cage because he is headlining too many titles...is a tad rediculous. Even more so as he is being written by two vastly different writers.

That's the dilemma they face. :wink:

[Imraith Nimphais]

I do like Kev Walker's art.

There is that...in addition to the pro-points Tangent gave in his post.:biggrin:

[Will.S]

I find it to be a very enjoyable book.

It has a nice mix of character work and full on action and Jeff rotates characters in and out depending on the story. Plus Kev Walker/Declan Shalvey's art on the title has been terrific especially thanks to Frank Martin's awesome coloring.

Definitely pick it up.

[XPac]

I do not understand this at all.

If Steve Rogers can be the leader of Avengers and the main character in his books. Likewise Scott Summers in X-Men, then so too can Luke Cage. If you don't like the character...fine...it would not matter where the chsaracter is placed and I would think that you would not be bothered to read any title in which he appears...but to say, in effect, you don't like Luke Cage because he is headlining too many titles...is a tad rediculous. Even more so as he is being written by two vastly different writers.

It's not really a question of whether or not Cage can or can't be the leader of multiple teams in multiple books... obviously he CAN. He's doing just that.

I think the issue for some would be if Cage wasn't leading TBolts, maybe another character that isn't being used might be able to get the spot. It's similar to the complaint that Spider-Man and Wolverine get... if they weren't both in 2 Avenger teams maybe you could sneak in a few more classic Avengers in there or something. Maybe Photon or She-Hulk or something.

Ultimately you can't make everyone happy all the time. All a writer can do is use the characters they feel are best. That's why I'm fine with this sort of thing. If multiple writers in multiple books want to use Cage or Spider-Man or Wolverine, that's cool. Yeah, it sucks for the characters that aren't getting any panel time anywhere but that's just how it is.

[marvell2100]

I want to know more about this Beta team. Who's going to be on it and what's their first mission? I know Gunna is one member but who did Songbird pick as her other choices?

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I want to know more about this Beta team. Who's going to be on it and what's their first mission? I know Gunna is one member but who did Songbird pick as her other choices?

You want to find out?
You REALLY want to find out?
It's FIND OUT ON WEDNESDAY

[marvell2100]

You want to find out?
You REALLY want to find out?
It's FIND OUT ON WEDNESDAY

Thank you<sobbing happily>! Thank You!

[arachne_azure]

I want to know more about this Beta team. Who's going to be on it and what's their first mission? I know Gunna is one member but who did Songbird pick as her other choices?

Yep I would say Gunna's inclusion to a Thunderbolts team is as inevitable as death and taxes (read:very certain, which is a good thing)

[britishmixedwhiskey]

Very Much so , i wasnt a big Thunderbolts fan before but Jeff Parkers Thunderbolts story's are really good , they seem to get a lot done in every issue and it seems like you get more for your pound per page imo .

Also since theres going to be two teams i think it can only get better especially as i wont need to pick up issues that feature the team with characters i dont like as much (Songbird beta team etc).

But yeah i would call it a huge success so far .

The plaudits are all highly deserved :)

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Very Much so , i wasnt a big Thunderbolts fan before but Jeff Parkers Thunderbolts story's are really good , they seem to get a lot done in every issue and it seems like you get more for your pound per page imo .

Also since theres going to be two teams i think it can only get better especially as i wont need to pick up issues that feature the team with characters i dont like as much (Songbird beta team etc).

But yeah i would call it a huge success so far .

The plaudits are all highly deserved :)

How can you say you don't like the Beta Team when you don't even know who's going to be on it?!

[Skaddix]

How can you say you don't like the Beta Team when you don't even know who's going to be on it?!

He might just not like Songbird.

[XPac]

He might just not like Songbird.

Speaking only for myself, I don't like Songbirds haircut.

So Beta team is off to a rocky start.

[britishmixedwhiskey]

He might just not like Songbird.

That is true , i dont really want to learn about the troll that much either if she's on that team , Shocker, Dr. Demonicus, Sandman, Dark Beast, Ana Kraven, Madam Masque, Living Laser, Scarecrow, The Griffin and Brother Grimm only really interested in the bolded ones and even then Songbird leading the team is just off putting to me .

I think it stems from Avengers Forever when she was pushed to supposedly being a future Avenger and an important one at that , ill elaborate more sometime but yeah pretty much just not a fan of the bird who sings (Songbird) .

if Ghost or John Walker was leading i might feel different but alas its not to be .

[Songbird/Diamondback]

That is true , i dont really want to learn about the troll that much either if she's on that team , Shocker, Dr. Demonicus, Sandman, Dark Beast, Ana Kraven, Madam Masque, Living Laser, Scarecrow, The Griffin and Brother Grimm only really interested in the bolded ones and even then Songbird leading the team is just off putting to me .

I think it stems from Avengers Forever when she was pushed to supposedly being a future Avenger and an important one at that , ill elaborate more sometime but yeah pretty much just not a fan of the bird who sings (Songbird).

if Ghost or John Walker was leading i might feel different but alas its not to be .
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5647/unbelievables.png
And POWERS DON'T MAKE THE CHARACTER! Luke Cage isn't popular just cause he has super strength!
Really, it's your lost if you haven't read Songbird stories before. She's a fantastic character deserves every bit of spotlight!
Oh, and you want to know WHY she wasn't made an Avenger? Cause if she joined when she was supposed to, Bendis would have killed her during Avengers Disassembled.


Speaking only for myself, I don't like Songbirds haircut.

So Beta team is off to a rocky start.

You mean the hair that is constantly growing back? Geez, what a HORRIBLE start. Next thing you'll know, it'll be LONG again!

BAH! I mad.

[grphxkindaguy]

I'm really enjoying the book, which I wasn't expecting to, since I can't stand Luke Cage. But he's barely in it!

I love the character interactions and subplots going on. I was never a big Man-Thing fan, but his recent solo issue w/Jennifer Kale was excellent. I love that the Warden, ex-US Agent John Walker, still incites fear in the inmates after his injuries. :biggrin:

The artwork by Kev Walker in the monsters-attack-Japan issues blew me away w the detail he put into the design of the monsters. Great stuff!!!

[strathcona]

Songbird is one the best revamps of an old character ever in the history of comics... Screaming Mimi was a bland, one-note (ha!) character, but Songbird is one of the best characters Marvel has. I attribute this to the great work done by Busiek, Nicieza and even Ellis with her. Just a fantastic character that I wish we saw more of... maybe the Avengers Forever future could come true and she could join the Avengers... but it would have to be when a new writer takes over that title.

That said... Parker hasn't done too much with her, and he current hair is horrible.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Songbird is one the best revamps of an old character ever in the history of comics... Screaming Mimi was a bland, one-note (ha!) character, but Songbird is one of the best characters Marvel has. I attribute this to the great work done by Busiek, Nicieza and even Ellis with her. Just a fantastic character that I wish we saw more of... maybe the Avengers Forever future could come true and she could join the Avengers... but it would have to be when a new writer takes over that title.

That said... Parker hasn't done too much with her, and he current hair is horrible.

Except make her lead her own team now.

[RC-1138]

Hey...I actually like Songbird haircut (She seems more expert and tough just like Maria Hill in the S.H.I.E.L.D.)
But just Curiosity Her original Hair Color is Red Hair or Blonde Hair ? reading the Comics this is a little confused particurarly in the early stories of Thunderbolts.

For the Beta Team Lead by our favourite thunderbolts heroine we must see Tomorrow (I Can Hardly wait..:). I Think is Difficult to guess right who can can be in the List beyond Songbird or Gunna/Troll but I Bet This One can have a chance :

-Man-Killer (Katerina Luisa Van Horn) Why: don't know but just seeing the portrait of Ana Kraven in the cover make me think Her (She Have a similar Feral Apparence)

Just my opinion I don't really have a clue after seeing the Higly Impossible Others in the Cover (Absorbing Man, Abomination, Sandman, etc.) and the more or less possible member (Batroc, Dark Beast). Jeff and the marvel team is making this really a big surprise for Us, Let just see tomorrow...

[Skaddix]

Still this is one of my top books every month, One of the few I actually buy. Still this week has a lot of stuff I want to read I think like 16 books. Still this is one of the few I will actually buy.

[marvell2100]

Still this is one of my top books every month, One of the few I actually buy. Still this week has a lot of stuff I want to read I think like 16 books. Still this is one of the few I will actually buy.

Me too. The team is jelling, the characters are well written and great art. Now we're getting a second team(and hopefully a mini to go with it). One of the better books Marvel has on the market.

[TanGent]

Hey...I actually like Songbird haircut.

Me too! Makes her look like a real BAD@$$, sort of like what the mohawk does for Storm.

Also, New T-Bolts tomorrow!!:biggrin:

[RC-1138]

Not Willing to go Buying the Thunderbolts book is considered an High blasphemy :biggrin: After All The Story this time is Totally worth it :wink:

And As just TanGent said I agreed 100%
[Short Hairs make Marvel womans like Tought girls, Short Hair with good Style like Songbird make them BAD A$$]

[Jabare]

I've said it before and I will say it again. Thunderbolts is the best team book Marvel's got

[Imraith Nimphais]

Me too! Makes her look like a real BAD@$$, sort of like what the mohawk does for Storm.

Also, New T-Bolts tomorrow!!:biggrin:

Me three...and it gave me the same vibe as "Mohawk Storm" also. Pure BAD@$$ for certain.:biggrin: