Thread Drift: The times the Spider-marriage was worth mocking.

[RDMacQ]

From another discussion... (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=363623)


sorry, but that sounds like the worst premise for a Spider-Man story I have ever heard


I have one. Spider-Man sells his marriage to the devil, has his history altered and repeats the same few events of his life over and over again, only with references to different movies each time.


infinitely better than, "Spider-Man lets people die because he's arguing with his wife, or is stuck teaching 3rd period Science class. it's pop quiz day true believers!"

Well, then that's a good thing none of those stories ever happened.

[Ben Smith]

Well, then that's a good thing none of those stories ever happened.

I know, they were even worse. IN THIS ISSUE: MARY JANE CRIES ABOUT JONATHAN CEASAR!!!

[RDMacQ]

I know, they were even worse. IN THIS ISSUE: MARY JANE CRIES ABOUT JONATHAN CEASAR!!!

Which proves you never actually read the comic, since that never happened either.

Could you at least TRY to be upset about something that actually happened? Rather than invent stuff to be offended about?

[entzauberung]

Which proves you never actually read the comic, since that never happened either.


Amazing #308. Last page.

[Dean MD]

If Gwen cried over being kidnapped and held hostage, it would be exciting and acceptable.

[RDMacQ]

Amazing #308. Last page.

Because that's ALL she did in that story.

[RDMacQ]

If Gwen cried over being kidnapped and held hostage, it would be exciting and acceptable.

Actually, apparently just Gwen crying is acceptable and always within reason. If she cried while being held hostage, it would further prove how much she is Peter's One True Love.

MJ crying while being held hostage in ONE story is OBVIOUSLY a sign of EVERY story she's ever been in, regardless of what ELSE she did in that arc. Like- you know- actually defeating Jonathon Ceaser, freeing HERSELF from the prison he was keeping her in, and actually coming to Spider-Man's rescue.

[entzauberung]

Because that's ALL she did in that story.

No, but that wasn't the question at hand. The question was "did Mary Jane cry about Joanthon Ceasar?" You claimed it didn't happen on a post on this very page. Were you or were you not wrong?

[RDMacQ]

No, but that wasn't the question at hand. The question was "did Mary Jane cry about Joanthon Ceasar?" You claimed it didn't happen on a post on this very page. Were you or were you not wrong?

Actually, the implication was that was ALL that MJ did in that story and that it was based on an earlier assumption that Peter spent time arguing with his wife and teaching elementary school students at the expense of innocent lives (which was something that never happened), but I get where you're coming from.

But I'd also put out that someone who sees that story and ONLY takes from it is the ONE scene where MJ cried, and not the other parts where she actively participates in her own rescue and even saves Spider-Man herself isn't really taking the full story into account and is looking at it with a seriously biased perspective. Saying the stories we got were "even worse" than that is especially silly, given the example the person uses is from a story where MJ is actually NOT a damsel in distress and is actually one of the stories where she takes a more proactive role in the story's resolution.

[Ben Smith]

Actually, the implication was that was ALL that MJ did in that story and that it was based on an earlier assumption that Peter spent time arguing with his wife and teaching elementary school students at the expense of innocent lives (which was something that never happened), but I get where you're coming from.

But I'd also put out that someone who sees that story and ONLY takes from it is the ONE scene where MJ cried, and not the other parts where she actively participates in her own rescue and even saves Spider-Man herself isn't really taking the full story into account and is looking at it with a seriously biased perspective. Saying the stories we got were "even worse" than that is especially silly, given the example the person uses is from a story where MJ is actually NOT a damsel in distress and is actually one of the stories where she takes a more proactive role in the story's resolution.

don't stand for this. this is unacceptable!!

[Duy]

don't stand for this. this is unacceptable!!
HEEHEEEHEEEHEE! I can't believe it, I'm gone for like a month and he's still typing the same arguments, and sarcasm still goes way over his head.

PS, I love how this thread went from the Spider-Man/Peter Parker dichotomy to a Mary Jane crying thread.

[Ben Smith]

Actually, apparently just Gwen crying is acceptable and always within reason. If she cried while being held hostage, it would further prove how much she is Peter's One True Love.

MJ crying while being held hostage in ONE story is OBVIOUSLY a sign of EVERY story she's ever been in, regardless of what ELSE she did in that arc. Like- you know- actually defeating Jonathon Ceaser, freeing HERSELF from the prison he was keeping her in, and actually coming to Spider-Man's rescue.

MJ is kewl

[Duy]

MJ is kewl
Mary Jane is groovy, baby.

[RDMacQ]

don't stand for this. this is unacceptable!!

Yes. Only pay attention to the stuff that fits your pre-conceived notions, and ignore everything else. Also, try to portray things in the worst light possible, and don't actually go by what is IN the books, but what you WANT to have happened, because that's easier to argue than- you know- facts.

[RDMacQ]

MJ is kewl

No, didn't you hear? She cried in at the end of one story. That apparently makes her- and any story she was featured in- boring. Because we only pay attention to the stuff that already backs up what we want to believe. Not to the stuff that actually happened.

[Duy]

Yes. Only pay attention to the stuff that fits your pre-conceived notions, and ignore everything else. Also, try to portray things in the worst light possible, and don't actually go by what is IN the books, but what you WANT to have happened, because that's easier to argue than- you know- facts.

Oh, you silly goose. Don't you ever change!

[Mikey Brown]

Haha, talk about movin those goalposts! And it wasnt even a serious post! Ah man, freakin hilarious, gotta love the spidey boards!

[Mikey Brown]

Oh, you silly goose. Don't you ever change!
Its the gift that keeps on giving!

[Duy]

Its the gift that keeps on giving!
Tell me about it, I'm gone for a month and he's still at it.

[Ben Smith]

Yes. Only pay attention to the stuff that fits your pre-conceived notions, and ignore everything else. Also, try to portray things in the worst light possible, and don't actually go by what is IN the books, but what you WANT to have happened, because that's easier to argue than- you know- facts.

oh sure. so, how did you like the latest issue? oh, I forgot ... you don't read Spider-Man comics

[Ben Smith]

No, didn't you hear? She cried in at the end of one story. That apparently makes her- and any story she was featured in- boring. Because we only pay attention to the stuff that already backs up what we want to believe. Not to the stuff that actually happened.

MJ is kewl!

[Ben Smith]

No, didn't you hear? She cried in at the end of one story. That apparently makes her- and any story she was featured in- boring. Because we only pay attention to the stuff that already backs up what we want to believe. Not to the stuff that actually happened.

it's not even fun proving you wrong anymore.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/mj.jpg

would you like me to post more? I can ...

[Duy]

it's not even fun proving you wrong anymore.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/mj.jpg

would you like me to post more? I can ...
Get that horrible dialogue away fromm me!

[Ben Smith]

Get that horrible dialogue away fromm me!

forget the dialogue, look at Peter's shirt!

[Duy]

forget the dialogue, look at Peter's shirt!
What the hell is that thing?

[DarkKnghtJared]

What the hell is that thing?

Apparently Peter was moonlighting as a Chipndales dancer for extra cash and he had to wear his stripper outfit home.

[Mikey Brown]

forget the dialogue, look at Peter's shirt!

Post more! Post more! Post more!

Check out MJs lovely flowing hair. What a beauty. Petes shirts got nothin on that rats nest.

[Ben Smith]

Post more! Post more! Post more!

Check out MJs lovely flowing hair. What a beauty. Petes shirts got nothin on that rats nest.

she's not technically crying in this one, but it's got the same effect on me

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/MJ2.jpg

[Duy]

she's not technically crying in this one, but it's got the same effect on me

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/MJ2.jpg
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGh!!!!

[Ben Smith]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGh!!!!

this one isn't about Ceasar, but the dialogue is just as awesome

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/MJ3.jpg

[Duy]

Cringeworthy. Just absolutely cringeworthy.

[Ben Smith]

Cringeworthy. Just absolutely cringeworthy.

"well, listen to this buster ..."

please Marvel, bring back this melodrama

[Duy]

"well, listen to this buster ..."

please Marvel, bring back this melodrama
I should dig up the first appearance of Annex, that was great MJ comedic gold.

"Peter?? You promised to take me to this awards show!! Why can't you let the police handle the armored maniac with a ton of weapons??"

[Ben Smith]

I should dig up the first appearance of Annex, that was great MJ comedic gold.

"Peter?? You promised to take me to this awards show!! Why can't you let the police handle the armored maniac with a ton of weapons??"

but I thought arguing with his wife never kept him from his duty?

[Dean MD]

this one isn't about Ceasar, but the dialogue is just as awesome

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/MJ3.jpg

What issue is that from? Anyone know?

I've read it before but the number escapes me. Good dialogue too, I could post an example of poor dialogue but I don't think that is necessary. You guys are the only ones missing out.

[Duy]

What issue is that from? Anyone know?

I've read it before but the number escapes me. Good dialogue too, I could post an example of poor dialogue but I don't think that is necessary. You guys are the only ones missing out.
This has some of the most putrid dialogue I've ever had to read.

We're glad you enjoy it though. It speaks to you.

[Dean MD]

This has some of the most putrid dialogue I've ever had to read.

We're glad you enjoy it though. It speaks to you.

If that is the case, then to you I say:


HAHA this is the most hyperbolic statement i've ever, ever read. You are either flat out lying... or you really need to read some more stuff.

What issue was it, by the way?

[Duy]

If that is the case, then to you I say:



What issue was it, by the way?
I said "some of," I didn't say it was the absolute.

From what little I've read of OMD, that goes in that pile too.

I edit manuscripts as a sideline. I'm exposed to a LOT of bad writing, and that, sir, was bad writing.

Also, that's Todd McFarlane art, so somewhere in between ASM 300 and 330.

[Dean MD]

I said "some of," I didn't say it was the absolute.

The quote still applies to "some of" in my opinion.


Also, that's Todd McFarlane art, so somewhere in between ASM 300 and 330.

I thought it was. That means it will be collected in the McFarlane omnibus coming next month. I can't wait to have an image of MJ punching a wall on over-sized, high quality paper.

[Duy]

The quote still applies to "some of" in my opinion.


It's some of the most putrid dialogue I've ever read that's made its way to publication, definitely.



I thought it was. That means it will be collected in the McFarlane omnibus coming next month. I can't wait to have an image of MJ punching a wall on over-sized, high quality paper.

Do you know if they're fixing the coloring? I'm assuming the pink tints aren't going to look so good on nice paper.

[Dean MD]

Do you know if they're fixing the coloring? I'm assuming the pink tints aren't going to look so good on nice paper.

I don't know, but I assume so.

I did a brief search but could only find forum topics about it. Not even a listing on Amazon. It sucks that Marvel's main character only has one omnibus to his name, and as glad as I am to get this one I would have thought a Lee-Romita, DeMatties-Buscema or a Roger Stern/Hobgoblin omnibus would have been out before this one.

[Duy]

I don't know, but I assume so.

I did a brief search but could only find forum topics about it. Not even a listing on Amazon. It sucks that Marvel's main character only has one omnibus to his name, and as glad as I am to get this one I would have thought a Lee-Romita, DeMatties-Buscema or a Roger Stern/Hobgoblin omnibus would have been out before this one.
I would be happy if they just did Omnibus after Omnibus in chronological order, at the very least until the death of Gwen, which I think is as good an endpoint as any. (The only other endpoint afterward chronologically is right before SPEC launched, and I'm not sure what was going on in ASM at the time, and it may not be a full story.)

This removes a lot of gems, such as my favorite non-Ditko story, "The Longest Hundred Yards," but it gets to what is essentially one complete chapter in Spider-Man's life before setting us up for the next one.

Then again, I guess there's the concern that it wouldn't sell.

[Ben Smith]

I would be happy if they just did Omnibus after Omnibus in chronological order, at the very least until the death of Gwen, which I think is as good an endpoint as any. (The only other endpoint afterward chronologically is right before SPEC launched, and I'm not sure what was going on in ASM at the time, and it may not be a full story.)

This removes a lot of gems, such as my favorite non-Ditko story, "The Longest Hundred Yards," but it gets to what is essentially one complete chapter in Spider-Man's life before setting us up for the next one.

Then again, I guess there's the concern that it wouldn't sell.

I'd probably expand that out to the end of the original Clone Saga (#150) and then start again when Roger Stern takes over (#220-ish), all the way through to #289

[Dean MD]

I would be happy if they just did Omnibus after Omnibus in chronological order, at the very least until the death of Gwen, which I think is as good an endpoint as any. (The only other endpoint afterward chronologically is right before SPEC launched, and I'm not sure what was going on in ASM at the time, and it may not be a full story.)

This removes a lot of gems, such as my favorite non-Ditko story, "The Longest Hundred Yards," but it gets to what is essentially one complete chapter in Spider-Man's life before setting us up for the next one.

Then again, I guess there's the concern that it wouldn't sell.


I'd probably expand that out to the end of the original Clone Saga (#150) and then start again when Roger Stern takes over (#220-ish), all the way through to #289

Both of those ideas would be good. I think the end of the original clone saga would be a good omnibus stopping point, but that would still be quite a few books.

Ideally, I'd prefer a series of cheaper paperbacks that publish the complete Spider-Man run, every issue of all the major titles, in chronological order. At least up to where the Clone Saga books begin.

[SamSpade]

I dunno, I just don't think that older comics look all that great printed up to todays standards. I like the old news print look and feel when I pick up an old back issue, alot of times, reprints end up looking like garbage when you put them in a format they weren't designed for. The colors stick out too much on glossy paper. Besides, everything after the clone saga, including Stern's run on the character is pretty accessable, why not just track down the back issues and enjoy the stories the way they were meant to be read?

[Ben Smith]

Both of those ideas would be good. I think the end of the original clone saga would be a good omnibus stopping point, but that would still be quite a few books.

Ideally, I'd prefer a series of cheaper paperbacks that publish the complete Spider-Man run, every issue of all the major titles, in chronological order. At least up to where the Clone Saga books begin.

I wouldn't get paperbacks. I have the entire series up to #530-something on my iPad, they are just scans of the old comics from the Complete Spider-Man DVD (a good buy if you can find one). but I am a complete sucker for the Omnibus editions

[Ben Smith]

I dunno, I just don't think that older comics look all that great printed up to todays standards. I like the old news print look and feel when I pick up an old back issue, alot of times, reprints end up looking like garbage when you put them in a format they weren't designed for. The colors stick out too much on glossy paper. Besides, everything after the clone saga, including Stern's run on the character is pretty accessable, why not just track down the back issues and enjoy the stories the way they were meant to be read?

yeah, the translation isn't always that great.

that's what I like about the DVD, it has all the ads, letters pages, and Stan's Soapbox

[Duy]

Both of those ideas would be good. I think the end of the original clone saga would be a good omnibus stopping point, but that would still be quite a few books.

I think it's apt that both suggested endings involve either Peter or MJ closing a door.

I'm good with this, although I think the Night Gwen Stacy Died is a more powerful comic to end on (and I think the Mary Jane/Peter ending there is more powerful than the one at the end of the Clone Saga).



Ideally, I'd prefer a series of cheaper paperbacks that publish the complete Spider-Man run, every issue of all the major titles, in chronological order. At least up to where the Clone Saga books begin.

The essentials do that; they're just in black and white.


I'd probably expand that out to the end of the original Clone Saga (#150) and then start again when Roger Stern takes over (#220-ish), all the way through to #289

...What the hell happens in the middle there anyway?

289 is the one where MJ reveals that she's always known he was Peter, right? That's when it jumps the shark for me (not that I've read every single issue).


I dunno, I just don't think that older comics look all that great printed up to todays standards. I like the old news print look and feel when I pick up an old back issue, alot of times, reprints end up looking like garbage when you put them in a format they weren't designed for. The colors stick out too much on glossy paper. Besides, everything after the clone saga, including Stern's run on the character is pretty accessable, why not just track down the back issues and enjoy the stories the way they were meant to be read?

I don't think Stern's run is accessible at all. I definitely can't find those issues - then again, I'm in the Philippines.

And until very recently, his Juggernaut story was unreprinted and ridiculously expensive. I have SPIDER-MAN MEGAZINE though, and was lucky enough to get it when it came out, so I have that story.

And I love the older art. I love discovering and rediscovering them.

[SamSpade]

Call me an old fogey but I love the single issues. I think I basically have OCD where I have to have all the numbers in order or my world doesn't make sense. Ever see the horror movie, the Leprachaun where they distract him by throwing shoes at him that he has to compulsively shine? I'm kinda like that in a way, if I'm missing an issue in a stretch it makes me jittery and angry like a crackhead with withdrawls. A place for everything and everything in it's place.

[Duy]

Call me an old fogey but I love the single issues. I think I basically have OCD where I have to have all the numbers in order or my world doesn't make sense. Ever see the horror movie, the Leprachaun where they distract him by throwing shoes at him that he has to compulsively shine? I'm kinda like that in a way, if I'm missing an issue in a stretch it makes me jittery and angry like a crackhead with withdrawls. A place for everything and everything in it's place.
I'm currently collecting Marv Wolfman and George Perez's NEW TEEN TITANS run in single issues (except for Judas Contract, because I already had that on TPB from years before). So I won't be getting the Omnibus. And I have every single issue of STARMAN in single issues. I bought them in bulk, instead of trades.

But for someone with my financial resources, there's really no way for me to complete AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Not that I want to, but even certain short runs like Roger Stern's would have big gaping holes in them. (Like that Juggernaut story)

[SamSpade]

I'm currently collecting Marv Wolfman and George Perez's NEW TEEN TITANS run in single issues (except for Judas Contract, because I already had that on TPB from years before). So I won't be getting the Omnibus. And I have every single issue of STARMAN in single issues. I bought them in bulk, instead of trades.

But for someone with my financial resources, there's really no way for me to complete AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Not that I want to, but even certain short runs like Roger Stern's would have big gaping holes in them. (Like that Juggernaut story)

Yeah, I see your point, alot of my backlog was through sniping ebay auctions, then again, many of my back issues aren't totally mint or anything. I picked up most of my Uncanny X-Men collection through cheap mid grade lots going back to issue 160.

I highly recommend checking out Roger Sterns stints on Spectacular Spider-Man too, those are all pretty affordable, not to mention, the series is solid throughout, in particular, Peter Daid's stories as well as Al Milgrom who I always considered vastly underrated. Plus, Sal Bucsema had an epic run pencilling the book and most of those are easy to obtain at a reasonable price.

As for the collecting compulsion, I picked up Jim Lee's short run on Alpha Flight, like 12 issues, and then I had to go back and collect the whole set and I don't even really like Alpha Flight.

[Duy]

Yeah, I see your point, alot of my backlog was through sniping ebay auctions, then again, many of my back issues aren't totally mint or anything. I picked up most of my Uncanny X-Men collection through cheap mid grade lots going back to issue 160.

I highly recommend checking out Roger Sterns stints on Spectacular Spider-Man too, those are all pretty affordable, not to mention, the series is solid throughout, in particular, Peter Daid's stories as well as Al Milgrom who I always considered vastly underrated. Plus, Sal Bucsema had an epic run pencilling the book and most of those are easy to obtain at a reasonable price.

As for the collecting compulsion, I picked up Jim Lee's short run on Alpha Flight, like 12 issues, and then I had to go back and collect the whole set and I don't even really like Alpha Flight.
I have every issue of the Ron Marz/Ron Lim SILVER SURFER too. That's what got me into comics. :D

[Dean MD]

I wouldn't get paperbacks. I have the entire series up to #530-something on my iPad, they are just scans of the old comics from the Complete Spider-Man DVD (a good buy if you can find one). but I am a complete sucker for the Omnibus editions

I have that set as well, but I'd still prefer a hardcover. I wish they would put out a set like that for the other series too.


I think it's apt that both suggested endings involve either Peter or MJ closing a door.

I'm good with this, although I think the Night Gwen Stacy Died is a more powerful comic to end on (and I think the Mary Jane/Peter ending there is more powerful than the one at the end of the Clone Saga).

...What the hell happens in the middle there anyway?


I agree that both are good places to end it, and ending with Gwen's death will result in less books but I think there is still some worth in collecting Conway's entire run. The Punisher gets introduced inbetween Gwen's death and the Clone Saga and a lot of other good stories too. This was where the Spider Mobile appeared.


The essentials do that; they're just in black and white.

I don't like the black and white myself, and those issues don't have comics from the different series.


I don't think Stern's run is accessible at all. I definitely can't find those issues - then again, I'm in the Philippines.

Agreed. I don't think much of Amazing is accessible without collected editions and none of Stern's run has really been collected apart from the Juggernaut stuff in the Gauntlet trade (which I'm tempted to get, I liked the Scorpion story but not the "updated" Juggernaut one).

Even the JMS and Mackie single issues are hard to find and go for a lot.


Call me an old fogey but I love the single issues. I think I basically have OCD where I have to have all the numbers in order or my world doesn't make sense. Ever see the horror movie, the Leprachaun where they distract him by throwing shoes at him that he has to compulsively shine? I'm kinda like that in a way, if I'm missing an issue in a stretch it makes me jittery and angry like a crackhead with withdrawls. A place for everything and everything in it's place.

I think I'd be like that if I ever attempted to collect them all. I tried once but soon realized it isn't something I'll be able to accomplish - not at this stage of my life anyway.

[SamSpade]

I have every issue of the Ron Marz/Ron Lim SILVER SURFER too. That's what got me into comics. :D

When I was a kid, I subscribed to it back in the day when I had no clue who Ron Martz was. Ron Lim was one of my favorite artists growing up along with Sal Buscema, Erik Larsen, and Jim Lee. In particular, I loved Ron Lim's Silver Surfer and his year long run on Captain America.

As far as Amazing Spider-Man goes, yeah, I'm never going to own every issue, but I've got everything 200 and up and I'm closing the gaps on issues 52-130. It's a big goal but hunting for them is all part of the fun to be honest.

[Ben Smith]

...What the hell happens in the middle there anyway?

289 is the one where MJ reveals that she's always known he was Peter, right? That's when it jumps the shark for me (not that I've read every single issue).

not much, except the first appearances of the Black Cat.

I think the MJ reveal is in the 250s. I didn't mind it by itself, until the retconned that she always knew in Parallel Lives. 289 is the reveal of Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin. inbetween is all the black costume stuff, the Hobgoblin stuff, Gang War, etc.

[Ben Smith]

I'm currently collecting Marv Wolfman and George Perez's NEW TEEN TITANS run in single issues

cool, I did that last year myself. I didn't want to pay way too much for the hardcover editions.


Yeah, I see your point, alot of my backlog was through sniping ebay auctions, then again, many of my back issues aren't totally mint or anything.

yeah, I stopped collecting for "value" within the past year and just buy readers copies of everything.


I highly recommend checking out Roger Sterns stints on Spectacular Spider-Man too, those are all pretty affordable, not to mention, the series is solid throughout, in particular, Peter Daid's stories as well as Al Milgrom who I always considered vastly underrated. Plus, Sal Bucsema had an epic run pencilling the book and most of those are easy to obtain at a reasonable price.

I love Al Milgrom's run from 76-100. one of the best ever for me.

I just bought Buscema's run from 150-175 in the past year. I love the Tombstone stuff, but the MJ stuff was really tedious in that run

[SamSpade]

That could be one reason I wasn't too all broken up when the marriage ended. It seems like alot of the stories tried to focus on MJ with her having a crazed stalker or a bulimic cousin, and all the sitting up at night worrying thing got so done to death that it was a breath of fresh air 15, 20 years when they changed it.

The Tombstone stuff was really good though, so was the Vulture and Green Goblin story with Harry behind the mask along with Vermin. It was a great run until all of that clone junk and other 90's bullshit started happening that kinda ruined the tail end of it for me. The rest of the series is totally solid.

[whiteshark]

The Spider-Marriage took the fun of the Spidey comics,turning the stories over melodramatic,cliched and boring.
So it all the Spider-Marriage is worth mocking.

[Dean MD]

The Spider-Marriage took the fun of the Spidey comics,turning the stories over melodramatic,cliched and boring.
So it all the Spider-Marriage is worth mocking.

I suspected it, but now I am convinced of it. You don't know what "cliched" means.

From the Oxford English Dictionary (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0154640#m_en_gb0154640)

noun

*
1 a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought.
*
a very predictable or unoriginal thing or person.
2 Printing, chiefly British a stereotype or electrotype.

The unmarried Spider-Man is a lot more cliche than the married one.

[Duy]

I suspected it, but now I am convinced of it. You don't know what "cliched" means.

From the Oxford English Dictionary (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0154640#m_en_gb0154640)

noun

*
1 a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought.
*
a very predictable or unoriginal thing or person.
2 Printing, chiefly British a stereotype or electrotype.

The unmarried Spider-Man is a lot more cliche than the married one.
Good thing it's so much more entertaining.

[Xenon]

A)
The essentials do that; they're just in black and white.

They're also missing a huge amount of issues.

B) Now that i know what you're talking about, the whole "crying over Jonathan Caesar" thing is misleading. She was crying over having her professional life and dreams destroyed.

Why are people so quick to describe women that cry in comics negatively? Why is crying so bad?

[Alan2099]

but I thought arguing with his wife never kept him from his duty?

She made him give up being Spider-man during the clone saga. They had a big fight in the final adventure.

[coconutphone]

If Gwen cried over being kidnapped and held hostage, it would be exciting and acceptable.

If Carlie does it's classic Spidey! So good to have him back!!

[CyberHubbs]

Marriage should never, ever be mocked.

It's an institution that is forever.

Like herpes.

[Alan2099]

Marriage should never, ever be mocked.

It's an institution.

Like herpes. Forever.

What about if you don't mock the institution you just mock the people that are married? Is that okay?

[CyberHubbs]

Oh, yeah, that's totally cool. Carry on.

[Scott Taylor]

I'm currently collecting Marv Wolfman and George Perez's NEW TEEN TITANS run in single issues (except for Judas Contract, because I already had that on TPB from years before).

Those are some great comics. Thats one run that I can sit and read through whenever I break the long boxes out. I bet it has very little value to collectors, but its amazingly fun stuff. Two creators at their respective creative peaks.

Generally I just mock the marriage as represented in the McFarlane run. His Spidey was so overrated at the time. He makes some killer Halo toys, though!

[RDMacQ]

The Spider-Marriage took the fun of the Spidey comics,turning the stories over melodramatic,cliched and boring.
So it all the Spider-Marriage is worth mocking.

And removing it STILL kept thing melodramatic, cliched, and boring.

[Alan2099]

And removing it STILL kept thing melodramatic, cliched, and boring.

How would you know? You haven't read the book in years. You opinion on things is just based on how somebody else has said things are. It's little more than just a bad photocopy of a cheap summary.

[RDMacQ]

How would you know? You haven't read the book in years. You opinion on things is just based on how somebody else has said things are. It's little more than just a bad photocopy of a cheap summary.

Uh, I said that I dropped the book sometime last year (don't know exactly when. Kind of like what happened with Generation Lost and the Transformers comic) Not years.

But thanks once again for showing that some people prefer to argue against what they THINK is happening or what they WANT to believe rather than- you know- what actually DID happen.

[Alan2099]

Uh, I said that I dropped the book sometime last year (don't know exactly when. Kind of like what happened with Generation Lost and the Transformers comic) Not years.

But thanks once again for showing that some people prefer to argue against what they THINK is happening or what they WANT to believe rather than- you know- what actually DID happen.

I'm sorry if I can't keep track of your constantly changing story. My fault.

[RDMacQ]

I'm sorry if I can't keep track of your constantly changing story. My fault.

Or you could just keep track of my one story, and not go into things with pre-conceived notions about people you disagree with.

Although, I guess it's just easier to argue against what you wish people said than what they actually say. In that case, why not just argue with yourself? It'll cut out the nasty middle man of actually dealing with other people with different opinions than yours!

[Alan2099]

Or you could just keep track of my one story, and not go into things with pre-conceived notions about people you disagree with.

Although, I guess it's just easier to argue against what you wish people said than what they actually say. In that case, why not just argue with yourself? It'll cut out the nasty middle man of actually dealing with other people with different opinions than yours!
Wait! You're saying NOT to go in with preconceived notions and should only argue about what people have ACTUALLY said instead of what you wanted them to say?

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL RDMACQ!?!

[RDMacQ]

Wait! You're saying NOT to go in with preconceived notions and should only argue about what people have ACTUALLY said instead of what you wanted them to say?

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL RDMACQ!?!

More proof that you don't read what I write.

That's OK. Like I said, it's probably easier just to argue against arguments no one is making. Anything to make yourself feel better.

[Alan2099]

Like I said, it's probably easier just to argue against arguments no one is making.

I bow to your experteince on that matter.

[Ben Smith]

Uh, I said that I dropped the book sometime last year (don't know exactly when. Kind of like what happened with Generation Lost and the Transformers comic) Not years.

But thanks once again for showing that some people prefer to argue against what they THINK is happening or what they WANT to believe rather than- you know- what actually DID happen.

once again, deflecting the argument so you don't have to admit you have no actual knowledge on the subject

[Duy]

I bow to your experteince on that matter.


once again, deflecting the argument so you don't have to admit you have no actual knowledge on the subject

It's both classic RD, and another one for the catalog.

[RDMacQ]

once again, deflecting the argument so you don't have to admit you have no actual knowledge on the subject

Once again, picking on an irrelevant point in order to feel "smart" and "win" because that topic has nothing to do with the thread.

[RDMacQ]

It's both classic RD, and another one for the catalog.

You know, for people who keep following my "behavior," it's remarkable exactly how much you get wrong.

[Alan2099]

Once again, picking on an irrelevant point in order to feel "smart" and "win" because that topic has nothing to do with the thread.

Right back at ya'!

Seriously, I don't even have to slightly reword anything for this to work perfectly.

[RDMacQ]

Right back at ya'!

Seriously, I don't even have to slightly reword anything for this to work perfectly.

You also don't seem to need to actually read what is being wrote to make a sly remark, but that's never seem to stop you before, so why start now?

[Alan2099]

You also don't seem to need to actually read what is being wrote to make a sly remark, but that's never seem to stop you before, so why start now?
But at least I read the comics and don't base my opinions on them on what somebody else summarizes.

[Duy]

You know, for people who keep following my "behavior," it's remarkable exactly how much you get wrong.

No,it's remarkable how incredibly wide the gap is between how right you think you are and how right you actually are.

What's even more remarkable is how incredibly humorless you are.

[RDMacQ]

But at least I read the comics and don't base my opinions on them on what somebody else summarizes.

No. You just assume things of people regardless of what they say and argue against that.

At least I am going by what other people have said and not what I think they have said.

But- once again- keep hammering on that point. You'll eventually find a thread where it's remotely relevant.

[Duy]

No. You just assume things of people regardless of what they say and argue against that.

At least I am going by what other people have said and not what I think they have said.

But- once again- keep hammering on that point. You'll eventually find a thread where it's remotely relevant.
If any of what you say is remotely true, it's because Alan's not even bothering to argue with you because you're not worth it anymore.

[RDMacQ]

No,it's remarkable how incredibly wide the gap is between how right you think you are and how right you actually are.

Yes. Because pointing out the rest of a story that a person used as an example of how "boring" one character was supposed to be is just such a wide gap.


What's even more remarkable is how incredibly humorless you are.

What's even more remarkable is how you seem to be OK with the negative behavior of one group of posters, merely because they agree with you, but if anyone disagrees with them, they are the ones without "humor" and exhibit negative traits.

No, wait, not remarkable. What's the exact opposite?

Oh, yes. Completely expected and not surprising at all.

[RDMacQ]

If any of what you say is remotely true, it's because Alan's not even bothering to argue with you because you're not worth it anymore.

And yet he- and you- still keep arguing with me. Despite me being so irrelevant.

That's the best way to show someone he's irrelevant- keep talking to him and reacting to what he is doing. That really shows he doesn't have your attention.

[Duy]

Yes. Because pointing out the rest of a story that a person used as an example of how "boring" one character was supposed to be is just such a wide gap.

Once again, deflecting the question to something we're not even talking about anymore. Nice job.



What's even more remarkable is how you seem to be OK with the negative behavior of one group of posters, merely because they agree with you, but if anyone disagrees with them, they are the ones without "humor" and exhibit negative traits.

No, I'm OK with the behavior of one group of posters because they know when to take it lightly and have fun. Kevin Nichols and RyanParkerMan love the marriage, and I consider them in that group.

You, however, have no sense of humor. I've seen you here bandying around the same tired arguments for three years, and not once have you exhibited any semblance of a sense of humor. You just adhere to your one argument, over and over and over again as if it were your life's crusade.



No, wait, not remarkable. What's the exact opposite?

Oh, yes. Completely expected and not surprising at all.

Case in point.

[Duy]

And yet he- and you- still keep arguing with me. Despite me being so irrelevant.

That's the best way to show someone he's irrelevant- keep talking to him and reacting to what he is doing. That really shows he doesn't have your attention.
Oh, you're not irrelevant. You're very relevant.

As a comedic figure.

But you're right. You're not relevant in any way whatsoever, and sarcasm is completely and totally lost on you. So I will ignore you from here on out.

[Alan2099]

That's the best way to show someone he's irrelevant- keep talking to him and reacting to what he is doing. That really shows he doesn't have your attention.

Have you ever seen those big inflatable toys that you punch, they tip over, and then they stand upright to punch again? There's a bunch of different names for them but I've always stuck with Bop'em buddies. They serve no practicale purpose. They only they they do is get hit tip over and stand up to get hit again.

You probably have no clue where I'm going with this, but I'm sure other people do.

They can be kinda fun. Especially the ones that make funny noises when they get hit, but people can get tired of playing with even the most fun toy.

And if you got nothing else from the post then let's just say my point is, you should buy more toys.

[Schmed]

What issue is that from? Anyone know?

I've read it before but the number escapes me. Good dialogue too, I could post an example of poor dialogue but I don't think that is necessary. You guys are the only ones missing out.

What would you guys do without me...I mean besides stop having to lock up the booze and putting all those parental guards on the internet.....


That was from ASM isue 318 page 16.
I think the MJ reveal is in the 250s. I didn't mind it by itself, until the retconned that she always knew in Parallel Lives. 289 is the reveal of Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin. inbetween is all the black costume stuff, the Hobgoblin stuff, Gang War, etc.


And the MJ reveal was the entire issue of ASM #259.

[RDMacQ]

Oh, you're not irrelevant. You're very relevant.

As a comedic figure.

I thought I had no sense of humor.


But you're right. You're not relevant in any way whatsoever, and sarcasm is completely and totally lost on you. So I will ignore you from here on out.

So why do you keep responding, and hammering home a point that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand?

Have you completely given up on being relevant to the topic?

[RDMacQ]

Have you ever seen those big inflatable toys that you punch, they tip over, and then they stand upright to punch again? There's a bunch of different names for them but I've always stuck with Bop'em buddies. They serve no practicale purpose. They only they they do is get hit tip over and stand up to get hit again.

You probably have no clue where I'm going with this, but I'm sure other people do.

They can be kinda fun. Especially the ones that make funny noises when they get hit, but people can get tired of playing with even the most fun toy.

And if you got nothing else from the post then let's just say my point is, you should buy more toys.

What's funny about this is that you think that you are making such damning arguments that undermine my arguments so much.

It's cute really. Adorable, even.

Guys- seriously- you're not some great orators here. You're hanging on to an irrelevant point under the assumption that it's somehow undermining my entire argument, despite the fact it has nothing to do with the topic.

You're not coming off as witty. You're coming off as jackasses.

You want to be relevant- talk about the topic. Stop hanging on to that ONE point as if it is the "magic bullet" that will save everything. It just makes you look worse.

[Ben Smith]

Once again, picking on an irrelevant point in order to feel "smart" and "win" because that topic has nothing to do with the thread.

no, you don't have to be overly smart to read the book. it is kind of necessary to read the book to be able to talk about current events in it though. it's probably why you get so mad and immediately try to change the subject every time someone brings it up, because you know you have no legitimate counter

so in summary, keep on deflecting

[RDMacQ]

no, you don't have to be overly smart to read the book. it is kind of necessary to read the book to be able to talk about current events in it though.

Hi- welcome to the "The Times the Spider-Marriage was worth mocking" thread.

In other words, this thread ISN'T about current events in the book.

But nice try. You almost had it.


it's probably why you get so mad and immediately try to change the subject every time someone brings it up, because you know you have no legitimate counter

so in summary, keep on deflecting

Or, I could be trying to keeping the conversation on it's actual topic and not try to derail it with irrelevant details- like pointing out that someone hasn't read the book for a few months, maybe a year- despite the fact that the topic is about the years Spider-Man was married which DOESN'T require someone to read about the current issues.

[Ben Smith]

Hi- welcome to the "The Times the Spider-Marriage was worth mocking" thread.

In other words, this thread ISN'T about current events in the book.

still deflecting. nobody argued about the title of the thread. your comment below was specifically being discussed


And removing it STILL kept thing melodramatic, cliched, and boring.

since you don't read the book, you have no idea if it's melodramatic, cliched, or boring. it is factually impossible for you to know. there is no disputing this.

unless you really do read the book, like I suspect

[RDMacQ]

still deflecting. nobody argued about the title of the thread. your comment below was specifically being discussed

No, you're just hanging onto the point that I'm not currently reading the books as if it HAS some relevance to the topic.

In other words, you're deflecting rather than deal with the issue.


since you don't read the book, you have no idea if it's melodramatic, cliched, or boring. it is factually impossible for you to know. there is no disputing this.

unless you really do read the book, like I suspect

The CURRENT books- like the ones published in the last few months- no.

But as I've pointed out- not that I expect you to ACTUALLY read anything that I write- that I HAVE read and merely dropped the book in the past year or so. So I have enough knowledge about the book and how it was done to comment on it.

But keep hanging onto that one point. Like I said, it'll be relevant eventually and won't make you and the other who keep hammering on it look like you have no idea what you are talking about, and are just trying to go for the cheap shot without contributing anything to the conversation.

[Ben Smith]

But as I've pointed out- not that I expect you to ACTUALLY read anything that I write- that I HAVE read and merely dropped the book in the past year or so. So I have enough knowledge about the book and how it was done to comment on it.

why don't you nail that down with an issue number? didn't think so. year or so is vague enough that it could be 3 years.

so what? I watched American Idol Season 1, and haven't watched it since. does that mean I can intelligently comment on any of the other seasons, no.

I guess reviewers should use your method to critique things. after all, the Buffy movie and the first season of Buffy were mediocre, no need to watch the rest of the series to assume it was also mediocre and comment on it accordingly. nobody else does this

[Alan2099]

I liked the Buffy movie.

[Ben Smith]

I liked the Buffy movie.

I liked Pee Wee Herman in it

[Dean MD]

What would you guys do without me...I mean besides stop having to lock up the booze and putting all those parental guards on the internet.....


That was from ASM isue 318 page 16.

Thanks for that :cool:


If Carlie does it's classic Spidey! So good to have him back!!

You're right! It's the rightest thing in the world!

[RDMacQ]

why don't you nail that down with an issue number? didn't think so. year or so is vague enough that it could be 3 years.

No, it's not 3 years.

I really don't know when I stopped collecting. Like I don't know when I stopped collecting Generation Lost, or Transformers, or Booster Gold.

It just sort of fell out of my pattern. I had a lot more things going on, and a lot more comics I was looking forward to.


so what? I watched American Idol Season 1, and haven't watched it since. does that mean I can intelligently comment on any of the other seasons, no.

Wonderful. So when the conversation is about season 1, you can comment with a good deal of knowledge. And that opinion isn't invalidated simply because you haven't seen the current seasons.


I guess reviewers should use your method to critique things. after all, the Buffy movie and the first season of Buffy were mediocre, no need to watch the rest of the series to assume it was also mediocre and comment on it accordingly. nobody else does this

OK, the fact that you are referring to the first season of Buffy as mediocre shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Once again, nice try. But you really aren't very good at this.

[Dean MD]

No, it's not 3 years.

I really don't know when I stopped collecting. Like I don't know when I stopped collecting Generation Lost, or Transformers, or Booster Gold.

It just sort of fell out of my pattern. I had a lot more things going on, and a lot more comics I was looking forward to.

From an "outsider" reading this thread, it seems like these guys are just typing the first insults that they think of and are ignoring your posts/"moving goalposts" and all that. But perhaps it would be handy for these types of debates if you checked which issue you stopped reading at. Then nobody can accuse you of "not reading/having read the book".

Last one I read was #657 and I'm in no hurry to get 658.

[RDMacQ]

From an "outsider" reading this thread, it seems like these guys are just typing the first insults that they think of and are ignoring your posts/"moving goalposts" and all that. But perhaps it would be handy for these types of debates if you checked which issue you stopped reading at. Then nobody can accuse you of "not reading/having read the book".

Last one I read was #657 and I'm in no hurry to get 658.

Somehow, I doubt that would help, given that these guys are bitching about me not reading the current issues when the topic is about "The Times the Spider-Marriage was Worth Mocking."

It's just something to dig their heels into the ground over and not move, in order to actually avoid talking about the issue at hand. Get the other guy to give up, or just shut down the conversation completely, and you've "won."

[Dean MD]

Somehow, I doubt that would help, given that these guys are bitching about me not reading the current issues when the topic is about "The Times the Spider-Marriage was Worth Mocking."

It's just something to dig their heels into the ground over and not move, in order to actually avoid talking about the issue at hand. Get the other guy to give up, or just shut down the conversation completely, and you've "won."

I don't think it would help either, but it is the mystery surrounding the jump-off point that may lead them or others to believe that you never did read - or that you never stopped.

Not that not reading is a crime. I have read and you can pretty much find out enough to comment on the direction from what is available online. Black Cat loosing her personality doesn't read any better in the books than how I typed it there.

[RDMacQ]

I don't think it would help either, but it is the mystery surrounding the jump-off point that may lead them or others to believe that you never did read - or that you never stopped.

Not that not reading is a crime. I have read and you can pretty much find out enough to comment on the direction from what is available online. Black Cat loosing her personality doesn't read any better in the books than how I typed it there.

Well, I definitely know it was before Shed. So it was at least before #630.

[Dean MD]

Well, I definitely know it was before Shed. So it was at least before #630.

Probably a good time. I didn't like those Juggernaut issues, Shed was good. OMIT was insulting and Origin was awful. Big Time I don't find interesting, although 655-656 were probably the best issues since Shed, or possibly 626.

[Ben Smith]

what would you two do without each other for support against the bullies of the conspiracy?

this whole interraction is even more funny when you consider that I'm pretty sure RDMacQ and DeanMD are the same person.

[Verminous]

No,it's remarkable how incredibly wide the gap is between how right you think you are and how right you actually are.

What's even more remarkable is how incredibly humorless you are.


Oh, you're not irrelevant. You're very relevant.

As a comedic figure.




I thought I had no sense of humor.





Every comedy need a straight man!

[SamSpade]

It seemed that when I was first reading Spider-Man when I was very young, so many of the stories seemed to just devolve into Mary Jane mopping around in the apartment and crying. It's not that I don't identify with that from her perspective now that I'm older but at the same time, it makes for some disinteresting reading. The only time I thought that dynamic worked really well was during Kraven's Last Hunt and it seems that every single writer after that aped that part of the story telling ad nausem.

Then you had the MJ stories where it seemed like the writers were constantly trying to find something for her to do. Stalkers, her running off with some guy making you assume she was having an affair, her cousin with bulimia. It all just got very stale for me.

Many people can make the argument that most of the current stories could be told with Peter still being married but really, wouldn't this sort of thing just end up in the book again?

[Mikey Brown]

this one isn't about Ceasar, but the dialogue is just as awesome

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/cdale78/MJ3.jpg

I just realized......its yet another example of MJ bitching/arguing/complaining in her underwear! We need a thread dedicated to this.

[Mikey Brown]

Oh, you're not irrelevant. You're very relevant.

As a comedic figure.

But you're right. You're not relevant in any way whatsoever, and sarcasm is completely and totally lost on you. So I will ignore you from here on out.

You know you cant ignore him hangman! Its too funny to ignore!

[Mikey Brown]

What's funny about this is that you think that you are making such damning arguments that undermine my arguments so much.

It's cute really. Adorable, even.

Guys- seriously- you're not some great orators here. You're hanging on to an irrelevant point under the assumption that it's somehow undermining my entire argument, despite the fact it has nothing to do with the topic.

You're not coming off as witty. You're coming off as jackasses.

You want to be relevant- talk about the topic. Stop hanging on to that ONE point as if it is the "magic bullet" that will save everything. It just makes you look worse.
You not reading the book is a huge point because it does undermine your entire argument. As for the topic, I dont think youve been talking about the topic either. When you did, you tried to argue MJ never cried about Jonothon Ceasar, which you were quickly proven wrong. But lets discuss the topic, shall we?

[Dean MD]

what would you two do without each other for support against the bullies of the conspiracy?

this whole interraction is even more funny when you consider that I'm pretty sure RDMacQ and DeanMD are the same person.

This is hard to ask without sounding rude, and while you may think it is my intention to be offensive it really isn't. I'm genuinely curious and the answer will determine how I respond to your posts in the future because the way I've been replying so far just doesn't seem to be effective in creating discussion.

So, please don't take this the wrong way, but do you have a learning disability of some kind?

[Alan2099]

I just realized......its yet another example of MJ bitching/arguing/complaining in her underwear! We need a thread dedicated to this.

MJ complaining about Peter being Spider-man and MJ hanging out in her underwear.

That pretty much sums up her role during the marriage.

[entzauberung]

It's just something to dig their heels into the ground over and not move, in order to actually avoid talking about the issue at hand. Get the other guy to give up, or just shut down the conversation completely, and you've "won."

You don't feel this sentence is one bit hypocritical? Not just a tad?

[Ben Smith]

This is hard to ask without sounding rude, and while you may think it is my intention to be offensive it really isn't. I'm genuinely curious and the answer will determine how I respond to your posts in the future because the way I've been replying so far just doesn't seem to be effective in creating discussion.

So, please don't take this the wrong way, but do you have a learning disability of some kind?

If I have any kind of learning disability, it's that I haven't learned not to engage bitter fanboys like yourself, that lived vicariously through a fictional marriage to make up for the shortcomings in their own life.

[RDMacQ]

Every comedy need a straight man!

And it's a good thing Hangmanjury decided to be mine.

[RDMacQ]

what would you two do without each other for support against the bullies of the conspiracy?

Yes. How dare two people agree on something that I disagree with. IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY!


this whole interraction is even more funny when you consider that I'm pretty sure RDMacQ and DeanMD are the same person.

And like most things, you'd be wrong.

This is hilarious. You accuse us of thinking there's a conspiracy, then you imply that two posters are the same person.

[RDMacQ]

You not reading the book is a huge point because it does undermine your entire argument.

No it doesn't, given that this thread isn't about that.


As for the topic, I dont think youve been talking about the topic either.

I would like to, but people keep bitching and complaining about that whole "not reading the current books" think like it's this great, undermining argument, despite the fact that it just makes them look like fools.


When you did, you tried to argue MJ never cried about Jonothon Ceasar, which you were quickly proven wrong. But lets discuss the topic, shall we?

And I also "proved" that wasn't all she did in the story, which is what the initial poster was implying.

I'd like to discuss the topic. But let's have the people who keep trying to make it about something else start first. Might be a step in the right direction.

[RDMacQ]

If I have any kind of learning disability, it's that I haven't learned not to engage bitter fanboys like yourself, that lived vicariously through a fictional marriage to make up for the shortcomings in their own life.

Wow. There is just so much wrong in this sentence it's not even funny.

I mean, it manages to be hypocritical, demeaning, condescending, elitist, and just plain STUPID all at once.

I'm actually impressed that such a short paragraph can be so many things all at once, without getting one thing right at the same time.

KEEP FIGHTING THAT CONSPIRACY BEN! Those imaginary arguments will fall apart and those made up people will surely cringe from your carefully constructed arguments that are way off base and in many ways laughable in their execution. You just keep believing that anyone who disagrees with you is some morally despondent person, and somehow, someday, it might come true. And if not, you can just accuse someone of it because that's a hell of a lot easier than actually responding to what they are arguing and having a grown up conversation.

[Dean MD]

If I have any kind of learning disability, it's that I haven't learned not to engage bitter fanboys like yourself, that lived vicariously through a fictional marriage to make up for the shortcomings in their own life.

There, there.

http://shackinguplife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kleenex.jpg

I was going to post an image of a standard tissue box, but decided to go all out and post a Kleenex. You seem like you need it.

Perhaps, to borrow a phrase, I'll add that accusation to the catalog and bring it out next time you say how relaxed you are or how you never take comics too seriously. In the meantime I'll be living vicariously through a fictional marriage to make up for my own shortcomings.


Wow. There is just so much wrong in this sentence it's not even funny.

I mean, it manages to be hypocritical, demeaning, condescending, elitist, and just plain STUPID all at once.

I'm actually impressed that such a short paragraph can be so many things all at once, without getting one thing right at the same time.

KEEP FIGHTING THAT CONSPIRACY BEN! Those imaginary arguments will fall apart and those made up people will surely cringe from your carefully constructed arguments that are way off base and in many ways laughable in their execution. You just keep believing that anyone who disagrees with you is some morally despondent person, and somehow, someday, it might come true. And if not, you can just accuse someone of it because that's a hell of a lot easier than actually responding to what they are arguing and having a grown up conversation.

Come now, me, there's no need for that. It's well established that anyone who prefers stories with continuity has had a failed life, no matter how old they are and if you disagree with the comic book opinion's of a couple of guys on the internet you're Hitler reincarnated.


KEEP FIGHTING THAT CONSPIRACY BEN!

This line gave me the funniest image but I probably shouldn't share it with the board.

[entzauberung]

No it doesn't, given that this thread isn't about that.



I would like to, but people keep bitching and complaining about that whole "not reading the current books" think like it's this great, undermining argument, despite the fact that it just makes them look like fools.



And I also "proved" that wasn't all she did in the story, which is what the initial poster was implying.

I'd like to discuss the topic. But let's have the people who keep trying to make it about something else start first. Might be a step in the right direction.

No one ever brought up the question "what, in detail, did Mary Jane do during the entirety of Amazing #308-309", so I don't know who you think was actually asking for that proof.

You, however, denied that Mary Jane cried over Jonathon Ceaser, which is false.

[Ben Smith]

There, there.

http://shackinguplife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kleenex.jpg

I was going to post an image of a standard tissue box, but decided to go all out and post a Kleenex. You seem like you need it.

Perhaps, to borrow a phrase, I'll add that accusation to the catalog and bring it out next time you say how relaxed you are or how you never take comics too seriously. In the meantime I'll be living vicariously through a fictional marriage to make up for my own shortcomings.

aww, you're trying so hard. it's cute

[Dean MD]

aww, you're trying so hard. it's cute

So all is forgiven?

[RDMacQ]

aww, you're trying so hard. it's cute

And now you're stealing my material.

[Dean MD]

Surely you don't expect someone to come up with their own replies?

[RDMacQ]

Surely you don't expect someone to come up with their own replies?

Of course. I mean, we're able to come up with two different sets of replies and material despite the fact that we're apparently one person.

[Mikey Brown]

What the hell? Is it opposite day or something?

[RDMacQ]

What the hell? Is it opposite day or something?

Ah, yes. It must be opposite day. Because only one group of people are allowed to mock the other for their posts or their arguments.

[Mikey Brown]

Ah, yes. It must be opposite day. Because only one group of people are allowed to mock the other for their posts or their arguments.

No, thats not it. Its all your posts are exactly the same responses directed to you many, many times. You calling out conspiracy? Hilarious! You pointing out someone doing something over and over and over? Really freaking hilarious!

So April 17th has gotta be opposite day, no doubt about that!

[RDMacQ]

No, thats not it. Its all your posts are exactly the same responses directed to you many, many times.

So, let me get this straight- You're complaint against ME is that I am using the same harsh rhetoric that is often directed at me against those who often use it most, RATHER than those who start using the harsh rhetoric in the first place?

Just wanted to get that straight.


You calling out conspiracy? Hilarious! You pointing out someone doing something over and over and over? Really freaking hilarious!

Someone complaining about one person doing one thing, and turns a blind eye to the other people who did it first and did it repeatedly, and for some reason don't know how hypocritical they are being?

HILARIOUS!

But you probably wouldn't get the joke, since you're not seeing it from my position.


So April 17th has gotta be opposite day, no doubt about that!

Or it's "Pot calling the Kettle black" day, given the hypocritical complaints.

[Duy]

aww, you're trying so hard. It's cute

ben, bulls-pacers game 1 was eeee-lectric!

[mlazic]

..........do you guys even remember what you were arguing over by this point? :P

[Duy]

..........do you guys even remember what you were arguing over by this point? :P
I do, and now I decided to ignore it because my mind is high on D-Rose.

[Ben Smith]

ben, bulls-pacers game 1 was eeee-lectric!

I know, a little too close for comfort. need to step it up if they're going to go all the way

[Duy]

I know, a little too close for comfort. need to step it up if they're going to go all the way
I think Boozer needs to step it way up. If he'd shown up at all, that game wouldn't have been close. We lost a lot of points on his screw-ups.

[Ben Smith]

I think Boozer needs to step it way up. If he'd shown up at all, that game wouldn't have been close. We lost a lot of points on his screw-ups.

I was a bit worried about the Bulls paying him all that money. he's been known to shrink in the playoffs. needs to step it up big time as a max contract level player

[nikbackm]

How did everyone like the presentation of the Spider-marriage in Acts of Vengeance?

I just got started with the Omnibus and I thought it was a bit painful to read at least in the beginning, where Spider-Man fought Graviton and MJ was stalked by some millionaire.

Then again, seems to be in the middle of an ongoing story so that might be my problem with it. Also did not really like how she was drawn. :redface:

[Duy]

How did everyone like the presentation of the Spider-marriage in Acts of Vengeance?

I just got started with the Omnibus and I thought it was a bit painful to read at least in the beginning, where Spider-Man fought Graviton and MJ was stalked by some millionaire.

Then again, seems to be in the middle of an ongoing story so that might be my problem with it. Also did not really like how she was drawn. :redface:
My position on the Spider-Marriage has always been very clear: I have no problem with the concept, but for various reasons, I had many problems with the execution. Although I never read Acts of Vengeance, "painful to read" does sum up the majority of my opinion on the Spider-marriage.

[Ben Smith]

How did everyone like the presentation of the Spider-marriage in Acts of Vengeance?

I just got started with the Omnibus and I thought it was a bit painful to read at least in the beginning, where Spider-Man fought Graviton and MJ was stalked by some millionaire.

Then again, seems to be in the middle of an ongoing story so that might be my problem with it. Also did not really like how she was drawn. :redface:

I just bought and read that very same Omnibus, and I thought it was painful to read as well.