Who MADE Pixie

[darknessatnoon]

Among Pixie Scholars there seems to be an emerging debate as to who "made" the character "great." Who gave her the scooter? Who gave her that extra bit of spice?

Nominees are

Kathryn Immonen - who gave Pixie quite the soft focus in Pixie Strikes Back.

Kyle/Yost - who ripped Pixie's soul apart and had her dump the New X-Men like trash all across the Eastern seaboard.

Scottie Young - who gave her a "look," that je ne sais quoi that made her stand out.

Whedon/Cassaday - Responsible for Charlie Brown looking Pixie but exposed her to the mass public in a best-selling comic.

Carey - (my personal preference) who made Pixie the international focus of Free Comic Book Day with the story of how she - alone out of all the New X-Men - was recruited into the Real X-Men. He also had her defeat the Marauders. Bonus consideration for turning her into the wisacre known as Nightmare.

Fraction - Gave her a real-life, realistic, trauma. Linked her to Oakland or something. Made her a Wolverine side-kick.

Gillen - Made her HATE Dazzler.

[Nevets F]

Much better!

Carey is a good choice also.

[darknessatnoon]

Much better!

Carey is a good choice also.

Til. It was Til who chose Fraction. :mad:

Is it Skottie Young or Scottie Young? I'm not remaking the thread a third time.

[BBeeryan]

I stand by what I said in the first thread.

[Nevets F]

Til. It was Til who chose Fraction. :mad:

Is it Skottie Young or Scottie Young? I'm not remaking the thread a third time.

I...don't know. I seem to remember a K. Could be wrong though.

[jstar!!]

If it weren't for Fraction I wouldn't even know who Pixie was.

[Til]

Mike Carey put Pixie on the road.

Matt Fraction gave her the Vespa to better travel that road and the motivation to stay on it.

Kathryn Immonen showed her some neat things you can do while on the road.

I have to give it to Fraction.

[Zeroedged]

Til. It was Til who chose Fraction. :mad:

Is it Skottie Young or Scottie Young? I'm not remaking the thread a third time.

Skottie, but I really don't think it's a big deal. If people get confused cause you put a c shame on them.

This is difficult cause Skottie Young is one of my favorite artist, but Kyle/Yost made me like the character.

[Deus ex Chris]

Kyle and Yost made her interesting. In fact, they're the only writers to really make her work for me.

[darknessatnoon]

Matt Fraction is underneath OTHER. You are CLEARLY being discouraged to vote for him.

[Talisman]

Skottie Young is who made Pixie for me.

[Til]

Til. It was Til who chose Fraction. :mad:

Is it Skottie Young or Scottie Young? I'm not remaking the thread a third time.

I didn't vote in the beta-version of the thread. That Fraction vote was someone else.

[Filthy Mutie]

I have to go with Carey. When he gave her a nice, normal origin in that Free Comic Book Day issue, it made me not totally hate the character. Of course, that's been muddied-up since then, but he gave it the best try.

I also enjoyed Nightmare, who probably had the best back-story of the Age of X characters.

[darknessatnoon]

I didn't vote in the beta-version of the thread. That Fraction vote was someone else.

Oh ok. Here is Carey's Pixie telling someone to use his brain!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TZev3hP-ryY/SEvQjQ3yoNI/AAAAAAAADAk/n4FraJ1vzgE/s320/6.bmp

Here Carey gives her local flava

http://www.emmafrostfiles.com/gallery/Previews/FCBD/2008/FCBD_X-Men_2008_p3.jpg

[Pixie_Solanas]

Shades of 1bulma1 and "get a brain and fast!"

I really need to see Carey take on Pixie again. He's gotten into a rut with Rogue and <anonymous c-list errata> characters.

[Likewater]

As i said the people who made Pixie Were the Acadamy X folk.

Yes Kyle and Yost, gave her a basic personality. But they are not good creators. Look at their original characters, unless it is surrounding X-23 they are better at destruction than creation.

Without the basic pixie template who would they have used? wolfcub?

Fraction's characters we have seen his original characters, it is nothing impressive, all he did with pixie is make her cheese cake. She gives fan service now.

Yes I red the "Hellfire" arc, and unfortunatly I can never unread it. I will in time...hopefully...forget it.

[AcesX1X]

i don't think we've gotten the definitive pixie yet. she'll emerge soon....possibly after gillen settles into his uncanny chair, but right now she's coalescing...coming together from all the interpretations so far..

[darknessatnoon]

Shades of 1bulma1 and "get a brain and fast!"

I really need to see Carey take on Pixie again. He's gotten into a rut with Rogue and <anonymous c-list errata> characters.

Yes, he seemed to have fun with her. Here's Beast asking Pixie to go down on him.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/seraphinious/Comics/fcd3.jpg

[Nevets F]

As i said the people who made Pixie Were the Acadamy X folk.

Yes Kyle and Yost, gave her a basic personality. But they are not good creators. Look at their original characters, unless it is surrounding X-23 they are better at destruction than creation.

Without the basic pixie template who would they have used? wolfcub?

Fraction's characters we have seen his original characters, it is nothing impressive, all he did with pixie is make her cheese cake. She gives fan service now.

Yes I red the "Hellfire" arc, and unfortunatly I can never unread it. I will in time...hopefully...forget it.

Gross. They did nothing...if anything, the artist from back then should get credit. He created her, and Rockslide, and several others before the writers knew anything about them.

[wader0069]

I said other, because no one has MADE Pixie. To me at least, the character is tolerable at best....

[Seresecros]

I'm taking this under advisement. Will post my thoughts tomorrow.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I said other, because no one has MADE Pixie. To me at least, the character is tolerable at best....

This thread is a celebration, not a burial. Negative nancy.

[darknessatnoon]

Carey invented Pixie Strikes Back.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/seraphinious/Comics/fcd2.jpg

[wader0069]

This thread is a celebration, not a burial. Negative nancy.

I gave an honest answer, take it or move on.....

[Pixie_Solanas]

reposted from invalid thread, updated:

As the preeminent Pixie scholar, I have to give Fraction his due. He pushed her. I also like Carey's one-shot because it firmly entrenched her as a valid X-Man, and not a junior class member - even if a lot of her supposed Welsh-lineage was all a ruse.

But if we're talking who made her great, and not just gave her a promotional push or valid team membership, it has to be Immonen's seminal miniseries. A true fleshing-out of the character and probably my favorite story, ever.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3347/1220099-pixie_4.jpg

And i'll take her as ruddy-cheeked background support under Weir/Defillipis before I even begin to consider Kyle/Yost's treatment of the character.

[Prodigy55]

I don't have time to post my essay, but I will own all of you Pixie "pretenders" soon.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I gave an honest answer, take it or move on.....

I think you can sufficiently infer what I did with your honest answer, wader0069.

[AcesX1X]

I don't have time to post my essay, but I will own all of you Pixie "pretenders" soon.

include my theory that pixie would be a stronger character if she ingested some pym particles.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I don't have time to post my essay, but I will own all of you Pixie "pretenders" soon.

It shocks me that you're taking the Pixie/Dazzler dynamic at face value, Prodigy. It's a bit more layered than that. Lines need to be read between.

[darknessatnoon]

include my theory that pixie would be a stronger character if she ingested some pym particles.

Sounds stupid. Make a thread: Who is Worse to Read About - Hank Pym or Ray Palmer?

[Peter F.]

include my theory that pixie would be a stronger character if she ingested some pym particles.

So she could shrink to Wasp size?

Or grow to giant size and spread her Pixie Dust over entire cities?

[darknessatnoon]

It shocks me that you're taking the Pixie/Dazzler dynamic at face value, Prodigy. It's a bit more layered than that. Lines need to be read between.

He's threatened. Because if Carey crushed it before Gillen, then I was a hardcore Pixie fan before he was.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Sounds stupid. Make a thread: Who is Worse to Read About - Hank Pym or Ray Palmer?

One beats his wife, the other travels through phone lines. I can't say which is worse, both suck.

[AcesX1X]

who is ray Palmer?

[Prodigy55]

How about making a third thread in which you include the actual creators of Pixie: Nunzio DeFillipis, Christina Weir and Michael Ryan.

[Washout]

I'm going to have to say Kyle and Yost. I liked the bizarre eager beaver they made her out to be.

[darknessatnoon]

How about making a third thread in which you include the actual creators of Pixie: Nunzio DeFillipis, Christina Weir and Michael Ryan.

Other, Please Elaborate.

[xgeek52]

are you being serious aces...

[Faded]

1. Skottie Young
2. Kyle/Yost / Kathryn Immomen

I actually don't care for Carey's Pixie (unless we're counting Nightmare then he wins the game). She was so boring in the FCBD issue.

[jstar!!]

Pixie's early infatuation with Dazzler underscored Pixie's unique status on the team. She was a young girl whose interests included pop culture and having fun, not super-heroing. Eventually (just in time for the end of Fraction's run) she and her idol became friends and teammates. Pixie grew into an equal and into an X-Man in Fraction's run.

[Peter F.]

I actually don't care for Carey's Pixie (unless we're counting Nightmare then he wins the game). She was so boring in the FCBD issue.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5392/287709-12589-pixie_large.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

1. Skottie Young
2. Kyle/Yost / Kathryn Immomen

I actually don't care for Carey's Pixie (unless we're counting Nightmare then he wins the game). She was so boring in the FCBD issue.

I liked it. I felt empowered by her empowerment. I even enjoyed Land's art that issue. It made me feel excited for when she became an X-Man! Yea! Go Pixie, Go!

I also liked when she beat that subaltern, Karima.

[AcesX1X]

if pixie could shrink to palm size, Disney could market her as a tinkerbell and marvel would make a better profit. everyone wins, the math is flawless.

[Pixie_Solanas]

This is turning into one of my favorite threads ever - thanks! I am now going to commute home happy.

[Likewater]

who is ray Palmer?

Didn't you watch justice Legaue...that guy who shrunk.

[xgeek52]

ray palmer is the original atom...

i know there is/was another and i read something about d.c. bringing palmer back...

[Maestro]

Greg Land made her a woman

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/R_Z4zDP2pTI/AAAAAAAAGZc/MhG1t8vOAR0/s400/LandPixie.jpg

[wader0069]

I think you can sufficiently infer what I did with your honest answer, wader0069.

Meh, you can't please everyone.... :wink:

[ohsnapulon5000]

strange. there are two of these threads...

[Washout]

strange. there are two of these threads...


[That] thread is closed


There is your answer.

[Silent Sigh]

I'll go for Kyle and Yost, they made her a useful character, I think everything started then.

[Swashbuckler]

Maestro is partially right. Pixie became popular when Skottie Young redesigned her. Land pushed her to the max when he turned her into another generic looking porn girl in a bathing suit. If Loa had shown up all sexy and on a vespa she'd be in same place as Pixie right now. It's all about the image. Her character is still fairly one note and plays the role of noob teen hero, much like Jubilee did. I don't hate Pixie, but I don't think she's anything new or exciting either. I find her to be "meh", and the fact they tied her to magic doesn't help.

I somewhat understand when people say she was aged to fast, but over all I still think that's Land's fault. Her character still acts like a child.

[Piston]

According to Pixie Strikes Back, Mastermind made Pixie when he took Pixie's momma back to his house of illusions for some mutant-on-faerie-action.

[Nevets F]

who is ray Palmer?

You used a capital letter!

[AcesX1X]

You used a capital letter!

i hate when my phone autocorrects me.

[Washout]

i hate when my phone autocorrects me.

That's a weird thing to autocorrect.

You're like the e.e. cummings of CBR.

[Nevets F]

i hate when my phone autocorrects me.

That's more like it.

(I also hate stupid autocorrect. Yesterday, mine kept changing my "bastard" to "mustard".)

[Washout]

That's more like it.

(I also hate stupid autocorrect. Yesterday, mine kept changing my "bastard" to "mustard".)

Mine changes "yay" to "gay."

On topic, Skottie Young talked briefly spoke about Pixie at the conference I saw him at. He said he was very nervous about his designs of Anole and her because they could make or break the characters considering they were finally becoming important.

[Nevets F]

Mine changes "yay" to "gay."

On topic, Skottie Young talked briefly about Pixie at the conference I saw him at. He said he was very nervous about his designs of Anole and her because they could more or break the characters considering they were finally becoming important.

I was never a big fan of Skottie's art, but I loved his New X-Men art. His Pixie and Anole are how I still picture those characters.

[Skaddix]

kyle and yost, they took her soul and made her relevant. worked for Angel every time, Angelus was always more entertaining.

[Deus ex Chris]

Mine changes "yay" to "gay."

On topic, Skottie Young talked briefly spoke about Pixie at the conference I saw him at. He said he was very nervous about his designs of Anole and her because they could make or break the characters considering they were finally becoming important.

Kyle, Yost, and Young were a great team. I hate that they didn't have a longer run together.

[Nicoclaws]

The editors and Fraction fell in love with KY's emancipation and growing fan-base of a character created by De Fillipis and Weir.
Carey is a good writer and could write well any character.
I don't think Young's design helped, as they didn't kept it.
Can't remember when she appeared in Astonishing.

[SamSpade]

I thought Kyle and Yost and Mike Carey tried to make her all gritty and bad ass and when you try to make a character like Pixie "gritty". She produces dust that make people hallucinate and see pink unicorns, teddy bears, and bright girly junk, how gritty does a character like that need to be in order to be realevant?

At any rate, I went with Fraction on this one, in particular, the trauma from the beating she took from the Hellfire cult I felt was a powerful story and made me care for the character alot more than I had previously.

[Seres]

I made Pixie.

[Filip]

I made Pixie.

What were ingredients? Sugar and spice and everything nice?

[Seres]

What were ingredients? Sugar and spice and everything nice?

I pre-date all but Weir and DeFillipis.

[Seresecros]

Yeah, we're going to need a third version of the poll which includes Seres.

[Deus ex Chris]

I thought Kyle and Yost and Mike Carey tried to make her all gritty and bad ass and when you try to make a character like Pixie "gritty". She produces dust that make people hallucinate and see pink unicorns, teddy bears, and bright girly junk, how gritty does a character like that need to be in order to be realevant?
I don't think that's what Kyle and Yost tried to do at all. After losing a piece of her soul, her big dark moment was to almost call Magik a bitch. Pixie was still Pixie despite the little bit of darkness inside of her. She got a dye job and a knife out of the deal, but that was about it.

She was way darker under Fraction--at least in the story you just praised him for--and yet, you voted for him. Strange.

[boobot]

I don't think that's what Kyle and Yost tried to do at all. After losing a piece of her soul, her big dark moment was to almost call Magik a bitch. Pixie was still Pixie despite the little bit of darkness inside of her. She got a dye job and a knife out of the deal, but that was about it.

What was her line about that? She lost a piece of her soul but had plenty to spare?

After going through Limbo, Pixie comes back and still *gulps* at the thought of training with Wolverine in the Danger room, then throws up some Pixie dust and makes him see unicorns. This, plus "something awesome I bet" are the definitive Pixie moments in my mind. Sadly, I don't think we can go back.


She was way darker under Fraction--at least in the story you just praised him for--and yet, you voted for him. Strange.

The whole Hellfire Cult mess was just unnecessary, IMO.

[MartinRedmond]

Weir and DeFilippis, she was perfect and disturbing to the majority of cynical comic book readers, she's vanillafied now.

[Prodigy55]

Weir/DeFillipis laid the groundwork for future writers. Vespa? What do you think her Helmet (TM) was for? She was riding a motor scooter before Fractions SF hipster scene, it was just subtle. Omega level? She was taking down the Hulk while Hellion was in detention for unzipping Jean Grey's blouse in TK class. Strange acceptance of Dazzler and Northstar? This chick was voted FRIENDLIEST STUDENT in 2k5. She has no qualms about pandering to the masses. She's out for #1. First, last and always, PIXIE is an X-Man.

[Seresecros]

Weir/DeFillipis laid the groundwork for future writers. Vespa? What do you think her Helmet (TM) was for? She was riding a motor scooter before Fractions SF hipster scene, it was just subtle. Omega level? She was taking down the Hulk while Hellion was in detention for unzipping Jean Grey's blouse in TK class. Strange acceptance of Dazzler and Northstar? This chick was voted FRIENDLIEST STUDENT in 2k5. She has no qualms about pandering to the masses. She's out for #1. First, last and always, PIXIE is an X-Man.

Powerful prose.

[darknessatnoon]

Weir/DeFillipis laid the groundwork for future writers. Vespa? What do you think her Helmet (TM) was for? She was riding a motor scooter before Fractions SF hipster scene, it was just subtle. Omega level? She was taking down the Hulk while Hellion was in detention for unzipping Jean Grey's blouse in TK class. Strange acceptance of Dazzler and Northstar? This chick was voted FRIENDLIEST STUDENT in 2k5. She has no qualms about pandering to the masses. She's out for #1. First, last and always, PIXIE is an X-Man.

Sorry, that wasn't a scooter helmet. It was one of those helmets for special needs children.

[Prodigy55]

Wrong, it was an aerodynamic bike helmet.

Classic PIXIE image.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Pixie1.jpg?t=1302881277

[MartinRedmond]

Her wings made rainbows instead of all pink too, amirite? Vanillafied...

[AcesX1X]

what's up with those circles on her cheeks? does pixie like face-painting?

[Prodigy55]

More to come on Carey, Fraction, Immonen, Kyle/Yost and Gillen's depictions of Pixie, and how they fail/succeed.

[Seresecros]

More to come on Carey, Fraction, Immonen, Kyle/Yost and Gillen's depictions of Pixie, and how they fail/succeed.

Will you be discussing my seminal PIXIE VS GALACTUS image?

[darknessatnoon]

what's up with those circles on her cheeks? does pixie like face-painting?

She was initially meant to be a mute, hence the helmet and the mime makeup.

[Home made ectoplasm]

She was initially meant to be a mute, hence the helmet and the mime makeup.

To mutes traditionally wear helmets in Wales?

[darknessatnoon]

To mutes traditionally wear helmets in Wales?

Special needs children sometimes wear headgear to protect them.

[Seresecros]

To mutes traditionally wear helmets in Wales?

Nobody in Wales is mute. There's 24/7 nattering across the nation.

[MartinRedmond]

More to come on Carey, Fraction, Immonen, Kyle/Yost and Gillen's depictions of Pixie, and how they fail/succeed.

What's taking so long!??

[Pixie_Solanas]

What's taking so long!??

I think he's finally seen the ironically deeper meaning behind "Tidy!"

He's revising his theories accordingly.

[MartinRedmond]

Original Pixie = Desireless version
Nu Pixie = Kate Ryan version

That's right, I went there, take that, x-office.

[Prodigy55]

What's taking so long!??


I think he's finally seen the ironically deeper meaning behind "Tidy!"

He's revising his theories accordingly.

None of that. I'm mentally exhausted right now. I'm gonna spend my evening listening to Twin Shadow on my balcony.

[Pixie_Solanas]

None of that. I'm mentally exhausted right now. I'm gonna spend my evening listening to Twin Shadow on my balcony.

That music will make you fall asleep and fall off the balcony. Be careful!

On a side note, what's with everyone into 80s lounge cheesy cocaine music now? Dan Bejar's Destroyer just did a whole album devoted to yacht rock (complete with Velveeta smooth saxophone), and this Twin Shadow sounds like more of the same.

It's an interesting little side tangent to current music

[MartinRedmond]

Pixie's prolly listening to Feed the Horse YUM!YUM! right now or some other awful thing.

[Prodigy55]

Mike Carey doesn't care about Pixie. He was probably forced to write about her in the free comic day issue, probably because she was popular from the end of the New X-Men series and Messiah Complex. In the X-Men 192 script, his editor had to suggest the use of "Butterfly Girl" (aka Pixie) and Mike gave her a line using the fake name. THEN the whole character gets cut out of the comic and the line goes to Anole. I give Carey points for writing a good Pixie and inspiring Fraction to use her in Uncanny, but I'm not sure it was his choice.

[fortyseven]

It was Fraction and Immonen.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Original Pixie = Desireless version
Nu Pixie = Kate Ryan version

That's right, I went there, take that, x-office.

Holy Hell, Kate Ryan??

I actually get the reference, but left field doesn't even begin to cover this one, lol.

[Aguja]

Greg Land made Pixie. Once the fanboys were fapping to her she was bound for superstar status. Flat as a wall Jubilee might still be relevant if Land had drawn her earlier.

[Cayman]

Skottie Young.

[jdviant]

ray palmer is the original atom...

i know there is/was another and i read something about d.c. bringing palmer back...

Al Pratt is the original Atom, Ray Palmer was Atom II

[eurazn]

Gillen - Made her HATE Dazzler.

Per Gillen, Pixie LOVED Dazzler's last album and thought it should have sold MILLIONS. Tidy!

[Seresecros]

Seres made Pixie.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

I voted Kyle/Yost and immediately realised the more truthful vote would have been for Skottie Young's visuals, since it was he who bestowed on her an appeal that didn't exist before. But Yost/Kyle is a valid vote since their treatment of her was the basis for which all future changes (good and bad) were made to her. She had to go through that baptism of fire in order to be seen as a worthy X-Man.

Also, she was just a really fun character in Quest for Magik and Children of X-Men.

Immomen and Carey get bonus points for extending Pixie's entertainment franchise. Fraction contributed to her conspicuousness, undoubtedly, but gets minus points for abandoning his attempt at making her his POV character and then trying to turn her into a pathetic underage drunken accessory to the fag and hag.