Battlestar Galactica

[Ontir]

I know there was another thread, but after scanning 4 or 5 pages, I just decided to start fresh. I don't have cable, so I'm going to have to wait for the season box set to hit Netflix, but I'm really looking forward to it. I just added the mini to my Netflix queue, and I think I'm going to watch it over, and over for a few weeks before returning it, that is if I don't just break down and buy it beforehand!

[Steve]

The mini was pretty decent. I've been hearing mostly good things about the TV series so far. Really looking forward this as well. Bring it on.

And I can't wait to see Number Six again. mmmmmmm

[Deathstroke]

I may pick up the miniseries on DVD, but I won't be seeing the series unless it hits DVD as well.

I don't watch the Sci-Fi Channel.

[Slappy san]

I had the dvd in my hand but couldnt convince myself to buy. BS always sucked from what I saw. I don't have much hope for the remake.

[roguespirit]

Its pretty good, well i've been enjoying it anyway. I don't understand why you have to name new characters after old ones when there is absoloutely no connection between them...but there you go

[DF2506]

The miniseries is, imo, great! Maybe not Farscape great (what is? Well, maybe Lost is..but there really are not too many other shows that I'd put up there with Scape), but it could very well be Babylon 5 great (which is pretty great, imo).

I saw a new preview for the series today and :eek: !

The preview showed a heck of lot more then they've been showing. It just looked amazing! I can't wait to see this series.

I think Stargate, Stargate: Atlantis, and Battlestar Galatica is going to be the second best night of TV this season (Lost and Alias are prob the first).

DF2506
" Then again, if Battlestar is as great as it sounds and looks, then it might be the best night of tv! "

[Phil Clark]

Anyone know when the episodes of the series start?

[Donald M.]

Anyone know when the episodes of the series start?

Some of us have already seen up to episode ten . . .

On Sci- Fi though, the show premiers on the 14th.

[Slayven]

beauty of the internet and broadcasting rights in different countires. i am all caught up on SG1 and atlantis

[Phil Clark]

Well then, some of you are lucky. Me, I have to wait for the SciFi Premiere. At least that explains why I thought I had missed it. I am looking forward to seeing it. It was pretty good. Hell, even my wife liked it.

[VCreed32]

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I think Stargate, Stargate: Atlantis, and Battlestar Galatica is going to be the second best night of TV this season (Lost and Alias are prob the first).

DF2506
" Then again, if Battlestar is as great as it sounds and looks, then it might be the best night of tv! " Seconded!!

[DF2506]

<Some of us have already seen up to episode ten . . .<

Darn you!

I mean..er....you lucky devil! Yes..thats what I meant. :evilsmile

On Sci- Fi though, the show premiers on the 14th.>

Can't wait! Lost & Alias were great last night! I've got some really good shows coming up tonight, on Friday, and of course Sunday AND Monday are 24!!! Looking forward to that alot. But you know, after Lost & Alias I'm prob looking forward to Battlestar the most.

Anyway, Friday the 14th folks! Here's the schedule:

7:30 pm (central): Battlestar Galactica: The Series Lowdown

Then:

8:00 (central): Battlestar Galactica (I believe its called 33).

and at 9:00 (central): Battlestar Galactica (I believe this one is called Water)

So a behind the scenes & TWO episodes!!! Can't wait!! :)

DF2506
" I think I heard there's 13 episodes in the first season! "

[cljohnston108]

I was majorly impressed with this new version, for all the obvious reasons, but there was one thing that kinda irked me on a more subliminal level:

On the commentary and in the "Lowdown" featurette, the creators spoke of wanting to create a realistic "documentary" look for the CGI, using proper physics and "handheld" camera moves, saying that it had never been done before on "Star Trek".

Ummmm, excuse me, but Babylon 5 pioneered all those techniques!

If you tuned in to your local PTEN affiliate on the night of 2/22/93, and followed the series religiously for the next five years, you could really see the art of CGI develop from that "plastic" look to the kind of photorealism we enjoy today!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5

The show was groundbreaking in many ways, and I find it disturbing that so many opportunities for acknowledgement are simply swept aside.

I read a "Where are they now?" article on Stephen Furst (Vir), for whom Babylon 5 offered the greatest acting challenges of his career and his first chances to direct.

The article simply said, "He spent five years playing an alien on Babylon 5."

It's almost as if it's being systematically erased from the collective memory, kinda like in "The Forgotten"!

[roguespirit]

I was majorly impressed with this new version, for all the obvious reasons, but there was one thing that kinda irked me on a more subliminal level:

On the commentary and in the "Lowdown" featurette, the creators spoke of wanting to create a realistic "documentary" look for the CGI, using proper physics and "handheld" camera moves, saying that it had never been done before on "Star Trek".

Ummmm, excuse me, but Babylon 5 pioneered all those techniques!

If you tuned in to your local PTEN affiliate on the night of 2/22/93, and followed the series religiously for the next five years, you could really see the art of CGI develop from that "plastic" look to the kind of photorealism we enjoy today!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5

The show was groundbreaking in many ways, and I find it disturbing that so many opportunities for acknowledgement are simply swept aside.

I read a "Where are they now?" article on Stephen Furst (Vir), for whom Babylon 5 offered the greatest acting challenges of his career and his first chances to direct.

The article simply said, "He spent five years playing an alien on Babylon 5."

It's almost as if it's being systematically erased from the collective memory, kinda like in "The Forgotten"!


See thats just wrong man

Babylon 5 was an iconic landmark man

[Zero Hunter]

Just a question for those have seen it already. Do they show much of the updated classic Cylons? I thought it was going to be just the human looking Cylons (which sucks), but then I caught a glimpse of one of the updated clasic looking ones running through a jungle or somthing. Just curious if they do use both types in the series, or if it is just little glimpses of the silver guys with the streaming read eye.

[roguespirit]

Just a question for those have seen it already. Do they show much of the updated classic Cylons? I thought it was going to be just the human looking Cylons (which sucks), but then I caught a glimpse of one of the updated clasic looking ones running through a jungle or somthing. Just curious if they do use both types in the series, or if it is just little glimpses of the silver guys with the streaming read eye.

You do get to see a fair amount of the silver guys but the human types are much more prevalent

[Deathstroke]

See thats just wrong man

Babylon 5 was an iconic landmark man


Damn straight!

[Zero Hunter]

You do get to see a fair amount of the silver guys but the human types are much more prevalent


That is very cool. It just wouldn't be any fun without the silver guys at least being around a little. I know it was cheaper for them to just change it so the Cylons looked human, but man that red light across the face was one of the classic things about the old series. I am looking foward to this alot more now.

[Predator]

I taped the mini series last year and thought it was good. The Cylon ships actually being a form of Cylons were cool, I really liked that idea! I'll give the series a few episodes and form an opinion then.

Speaking of Stephen Furst, is he still directing?

[Steve]

Speaking of Stephen Furst, is he still directing?

Looks like it. Check here (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0299122/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxzZz0xfGxtPTIwMHx0dD1vbnxwbj 0wfHE9c3RlcGhlbiBmdXJzdHxodG1sPTF8bm09b24_;fc=1;ft =6).

[Ian J.N.]

I saw the movie tonight and thought it was pretty awesome. Looked up who the writer was, and hey it's Ronald D. Moore, who wrote many of my favorite Star Trek TNG/DS9 episodes.

Then I read that the 3 hour movie I saw was a compressed version of the 4 hour miniseries. :( Does anyone know what was cut out?

[Donald M.]

I saw the movie tonight and thought it was pretty awesome. Looked up who the writer was, and hey it's Ronald D. Moore, who wrote many of my favorite Star Trek TNG/DS9 episodes.

Then I read that the 3 hour movie I saw was a compressed version of the 4 hour miniseries. :( Does anyone know what was cut out?

We're talk 4 broadcast hours here, which, with commercial breaks, comes out to about . . . 3 hours!

If anything at all was cut, it was likely nothing of consequence.

[Steve]

Commericals are usually about three minutes of your time. And there's usually about five breaks (after the beginning credits, the 15 minute mark, the 30 minute mark, the 45 minute mark, and after the ending credits). So that would make it about 15 minutes of commercial time per hour, give or take. I usually record my shows and fast forward the commercials and when I start watching at the 15 minute mark sometimes, I end up nicely at the end of that hour. So, basically, you've missed like 40-45 minutes of the sucker.

[Bright-Raven]

Oddly enough, I couldn't keep interest in when it aired as a two night miniseries on Sci-Fi Channel, but on NBC the one night movie I pretty much watched all the way through.

It felt like it actually belonged more on NBC than Sci-Fi, too. Go figure. I guess it felt more like the old movie pilots for series that NBC (and ABC for that matter) used to regularly make in the 70s and 80s and doesn't do anymore.

Yes, I am quite certain NBC edited it in some manner. But whatever was edited was probably a good thing, as the show actually kept my interest, instead of boring like how I took it as the miniseries on Sci-Fi.

[DF2506]

^^To his or her own I guess.

I love the miniseries on sci-fi. Such a cool mini-series, imo. I stayed away from the NBC verison though. I'm glad it got on NBC, because that'll get people to notice it more..but I wish they hadn't edited it. I heard people saying, well, its better edited, but from what I've heard of it they edited out all the character stuff. Or alot of the character stuff anyway. To me, some of the most interesting bits were the character moments. Ya, the action was awesome, but the characters. Whew.

I can't wait to see the series on Friday!

DF2506
" Needs to re-watch the mini-series! "

[Supergirl05]

I was crushed when I discovered they were using humans for cylons but I gave the show a chance but still nope, can't get into it, what's with that guy continually kissing that blonde that no one else can seem to see? and Starbuck a woman? I'm female and I still don't like it. Also where are all the space battles? they hardly ever get in their ships, just sit around talking. No, no, no, simply won't do. Such a waste of something that could have beem so great.

I'm new by the way and already moaning :o , hi :)

[roguespirit]

I was crushed when I discovered they were using humans for cylons but I gave the show a chance but still nope, can't get into it, what's with that guy continually kissing that blonde that no one else can seem to see? and Starbuck a woman? I'm female and I still don't like it. Also where are all the space battles? they hardly ever get in their ships, just sit around talking. No, no, no, simply won't do. Such a waste of something that could have beem so great.

I'm new by the way and already moaning :o , hi :)


Hi supergirl, welcome to CBR you moany cow :D

Like you I was really really pissed about a female Starbuck, the only relationship to the old starbuck is that she smokes a cigar. They should have just called her something else cos as her own character she is cool, but given another characters name and therefore the expectations that she can't live up to is foolish in my opinion. I've learnt to forget about the old series while watching this - believe me you'll enjoy it a lot more if you do.

Oh and there are spacebattles believe me.

[Gaz]

I was crushed when I discovered they were using humans for cylons but I gave the show a chance but still nope, can't get into it, what's with that guy continually kissing that blonde that no one else can seem to see? and Starbuck a woman? I'm female and I still don't like it. Also where are all the space battles? they hardly ever get in their ships, just sit around talking. No, no, no, simply won't do. Such a waste of something that could have beem so great.

I'm new by the way and already moaning :o , hi :)

The Baltar/No 6 thing is supposed to be ambiguous, either his own guilt is causing him to halucinate about the woman who betrayed him and the human race or she is actually appearing to him via a Farscape style neurochip.
And the episodes sort of rotate between intimate char stuff and battles, the 2 parter in seasom 1 has a great battle sequence as does the mini.

[Deathstroke]

Yes, I am quite certain NBC edited it in some manner. But whatever was edited was probably a good thing, as the show actually kept my interest, instead of boring like how I took it as the miniseries on Sci-Fi.

It was edited to run in a single 3 hour time slot instead of the 4 hours length it was cut to run for on Sci Fi.

[DF2506]

I think the new Starbuck is alot cooler then the old Starbuck. Of course, this comes from someone who thinks that the old show is OK and that the mini was a HUGE improvement.

I thought the new Starbuck was very cool in the mini. I especially liked that part near the end with her and Apollo in space. That was so awesome. She just grabbed onto his ship and got him back to the Battlestar the hard way! lol. :)

Gaz

>And the episodes sort of rotate between intimate char stuff and battles, the 2 parter in seasom 1 has a great battle sequence as does the mini.<

VERY happy to hear this. Space battles are cool and the mini has some awesome space battles, but I love the character stuff. The character stuff was what made Farscape great, imo, and its also what made Babylon 5 great. I am definitly looking forward to the character stuff the most, though I'm sure that battle sequence in the two-parter will be awesome!

DF2506
" Man I can't wait to see this show! Come on Friday!! "

[Ontir]

An hour of broadcast programming, as generall about 42 minutes of actual programming. When a show is re-broadcast, they tend to cut a few minutes more - so they can fit more commercials. If they took the 168 original mini, and cut it down to fit in 3 broadcast hours, they must have cut a whole helluvalot! I tried to buy the DVD this weekend, but Target (I have gift cards) didn't carry it, and Virgin wants $27 bucks, so I'm still looking.

I really liked that the Cylon Raiders are now Cylons, and not vehicles FOR Cylons. There was also mention that the old models which, looked like toasters, are still in service. 6 and a rather cryptic note to Adama mention that there are various models in operation. I think the Basestars themselves may each be a Cylon, as well.

They did a great job of updating the original last year, and I'm glad they're going to get the chance to take it further. I don't have cable, and I am also limited in my access to the internet, so at present, I must wait until season one hits DVD. :mad:

[Gaz]

I think the new Starbuck is alot cooler then the old Starbuck. Of course, this comes from someone who thinks that the old show is OK and that the mini was a HUGE improvement.

I thought the new Starbuck was very cool in the mini. I especially liked that part near the end with her and Apollo in space. That was so awesome. She just grabbed onto his ship and got him back to the Battlestar the hard way! lol. :)

Gaz

>And the episodes sort of rotate between intimate char stuff and battles, the 2 parter in seasom 1 has a great battle sequence as does the mini.<

VERY happy to hear this. Space battles are cool and the mini has some awesome space battles, but I love the character stuff. The character stuff was what made Farscape great, imo, and its also what made Babylon 5 great. I am definitly looking forward to the character stuff the most, though I'm sure that battle sequence in the two-parter will be awesome!

DF2506
" Man I can't wait to see this show! Come on Friday!! "

The 2 parter is based around Starbuck training new pilots to bolster the ranks.
I liked the move she used in the mini where she spun 180 and shot behind herself. And ep 1 proper is very character based, showing how they cope under extreme stress, it's a great opener. :)

[Donald M.]

I was crushed when I discovered they were using humans for cylons but I gave the show a chance but still nope, can't get into it, what's with that guy continually kissing that blonde that no one else can seem to see? and Starbuck a woman? I'm female and I still don't like it. Also where are all the space battles? they hardly ever get in their ships, just sit around talking. No, no, no, simply won't do. Such a waste of something that could have beem so great.

I'm new by the way and already moaning :o , hi :)

Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think the original Battlestar was garbage and absolutely adore this new version. The relative lack of space battles is part of what makes me love the show. In the end, unless they're something special space battles are just a time filler and when you're having them all the time then they can't really be anything special, can they?

I like that is a show that's actually about characters and people and their reaction to an extreme situation, instead of just stuff getting blown up in space.

[Steve]

An hour of broadcast programming, as generall about 42 minutes of actual programming. When a show is re-broadcast, they tend to cut a few minutes more - so they can fit more commercials. If they took the 168 original mini, and cut it down to fit in 3 broadcast hours, they must have cut a whole helluvalot! I tried to buy the DVD this weekend, but Target (I have gift cards) didn't carry it, and Virgin wants $27 bucks, so I'm still looking.

I really liked that the Cylon Raiders are now Cylons, and not vehicles FOR Cylons. There was also mention that the old models which, looked like toasters, are still in service. 6 and a rather cryptic note to Adama mention that there are various models in operation. I think the Basestars themselves may each be a Cylon, as well.

They did a great job of updating the original last year, and I'm glad they're going to get the chance to take it further. I don't have cable, and I am also limited in my access to the internet, so at present, I must wait until season one hits DVD. :mad:
DeepDiscount is selling it for around 20.40 with free ship.

[DF2506]

The 2 parter is based around Starbuck training new pilots to bolster the ranks.<

That should be cool. They are definitly going to need all the pilots they can get! Though Starbuck training them...oh boy! :)

>I liked the move she used in the mini where she spun 180 and shot behind herself.>

Ya! Thats the part I meant. My favorite part! That move was just so cool and I really liked how she reacted to it and how Apollo reacted!! Great stuff!

> And ep 1 proper is very character based, showing how they cope under extreme stress, it's a great opener.>

Oh man!! Can't wait!! Thanks for the info!

DF2506
" Is looking forward to the new Battlestar Galatica series a ton! "

[Steve]

For those interested, Sci-Fi is showing the 2 part mini again. Part One at 9 pm tonight and Part Two tomorrow at the same time. The encore of Part One will be shown before Part Two tomorrow as well.

[DF2506]

^^Wish they were running Part 1 and 2 tonight! *sigh*

I have Lost and Alias on Wensday, so I can't watch part 2.

Oh well, I have it on tape! I gotta find the tape and watch it!

DF2506
" Definitly need to re-watch the mini before Friday! "

[Jared]

I really liked that the Cylon Raiders are now Cylons, and not vehicles FOR Cylons. There was also mention that the old models which, looked like toasters, are still in service. 6 and a rather cryptic note to Adama mention that there are various models in operation. I think the Basestars themselves may each be a Cylon, as well.


I liked the new raiders too. Even as a kid, I struck me as really strange that each raider took *three* Cylons inside to fly it! What the hell were all doing?

And speaking of the newer silver warrior type Cylons, has anyone heard them speak? Please tell me they made them sound like Soundwave!

[Steve]

I liked the new raiders too. Even as a kid, I struck me as really strange that each raider took *three* Cylons inside to fly it! What the hell were all doing?

And speaking of the newer silver warrior type Cylons, has anyone heard them speak? Please tell me they made them sound like Soundwave!
"Cylons superior."

"Humans inferior."

[Ontir]

Amazon.com has the mini for $19.95!

[Steve]

Amazon.com has the mini for $19.95!
But no FREE shipping. :)

Unless you're planning to buy something else with it to get you over the 25 dollar hump.

[vertigo_phreeze]

by they way, i saw the mini on DVD at Wal-Mart for $19.82 yesterday.

as someone who doesnt really know anything about they original series other than seeing bits and pieces, but i thought the mini was awesome and i cant wait to see the series.

just out of curiousity, can anyone explain how the mini and the current series relate to the original? i assumed that this run takes place 40 years after the first series, but then when i saw that they were using the same names i thought this was a "remake" of the first. if this is a remake, then was there an original movie or something that chronicles the initial conflict or whatever? also maybe the story that covers the "current" humans and how/why they left Earth.

[une]

What did everyone think of the premeir last night on sci fi channel?

I really liked the first episode, "33," and I thought the second, "water", was pretty good as well. I'm curious as to what the show will do with the second Boomer on Caprica.

[Predator]

I liked the premiere episodes last night. "33" was probably my favorite of the two, seeing how the crew handled under the constant attacks made for a good story. Having Boomer attack the water supply also made sense, since the humans would need water and taking it away would be damaging.

I think that the Caprica subplot is a Cylon test of how humans handle under specific circumstances. Like testing a rat in an obstacle course.

After watching these episodes, they definately have my attention.

[DF2506]

Count me as another person who liked "33" the most, but thought "Water" was also really good too. "33" was just so intense and gripping. "Water" was pretty good too, mainly because of the Boomer plot, which is, imo, VERY good at the moment. Boomer is definitly my favorite character right now!

Can't wait to see next weeks episode!

DF2506
" My full review of "33" and "Water" are up at my message board at: http://df2506.proboards5.com/index.cgi The reviews are in the Battlestar Galactica section."

[roguespirit]

I think that the Caprica subplot is a Cylon test of how humans handle under specific circumstances. Like testing a rat in an obstacle course.



Damn it I so want to spoil it for you...but I'll be good

[Dark Monarch]

Really liked both shows and like almost everyone else 33 was my favorite. And I know have a new sci-fi crush in the sexy number 6!

[Inkthinker]

I'm a little annoyed by some of the drama that seems... I don't know, illogical, uneccessary?


Like Apollo of all people, torn up over the destruction of that ship, when it was pretty obvious that there was no-one left alive on it (there was no visual contact with any living person on their close passes, they even showed that), and even if there was, it was the only decision to make. They're harping on it a little much.

And what really sucks is that the plot device would have worked, with a little tweak... If the Olympic Carrier had only been five or ten mintues late, instead of several HOURS, and then the Cylon attack had also suddenly been late by the same amount, forcing the decision to destroy the ship without being absolutely certain that there was a positive correlation, then I could see being torn up about the decision.

But with them being gone for hours, and then suddenly showing up, and it being kind of obvious that something was screwy, why all the drama?

I mean, if anything, when Apollo did his closeup flyby and looked in the windows, perhaps if he'd seen some children or something in there, I could understand his misery over it. But no confirmation of people + no radio contact + 3 hours late + loaded with nukes = SMOKE DAT BITCH, to quote Stormy.

If the writers wanted me to feel bad about the Olympic Carrier, they could have done better.

I like the tally board, that's a clever bit, and I'm sure we'll be seeing it again. And some of the character subplots are pretty interesting... Boomer's a bit of an enigma, since she appears to have a sort of cross-programming.

***

I've gotten over any real distaste over the differences between this and the original, given that I've come to realize that my childhood memories are better than the reality. I watched an episode of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century recently and had to come to face the fact that the show sucks. I mean, the dogfights are slow, the characters are all insipid, the sets are straight from Doctor Who, it's just not good stuff anymore. Admittedly, I think classic Galactica (aka Disco Galactica) was probably better than that, but just the same, I think the new series can stand on its own.

[roguespirit]

I'm a little annoyed by some of the drama that seems... I don't know, illogical, uneccessary?



I like the tally board, that's a clever bit, and I'm sure we'll be seeing it again. And some of the character subplots are pretty interesting... Boomer's a bit of an enigma, since she appears to have a sort of cross-programming.

***

I've gotten over any real distaste over the differences between this and the original, given that I've come to realize that my childhood memories are better than the reality. I watched an episode of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century recently and had to come to face the fact that the show sucks. I mean, the dogfights are slow, the characters are all insipid, the sets are straight from Doctor Who, it's just not good stuff anymore. Admittedly, I think classic Galactica (aka Disco Galactica) was probably better than that, but just the same, I think the new series can stand on its own.


I completely agree with what you put in your spoiler section I was thinking exactly the same thing. I'm wondering how many cigarettes and cigars these people managed to save.

I recently watched the old Galactica series and it is awful but so damned enjoyable

[ghostrider666]

Does anybody know what scifi's plans for airing this show is? I see that they're airing 2 new episodes, 33 & water, for example, at a time. Are they going to keep showing 2 1hr shows at a shot, or drop it back to 1 1hr show at a time? I looked around scifi.com but couldnt find any info.

Nevermind, I found it. Looks like they're going to go to 1 new show at a time.

Now, can anybody tell me what happened in the 1st 30 min of 33? Send me a private message, please.....

[torippu]

I vaguely recall the show from the 70s so I don't have any attachment to the previous characters. That having been said, I was pleasantly surprised with the first two episodes that I watched last night. "33" was an intense opening episode that hooked me for the duration of the series run. My only confusion lay with the doctor who was having visions/hallucinations of the blond cylon. What's up with that?

The effects were also fantastic. I'm having trouble remembering right now, but did ZOIC also do the effects for Firefly? The fast zoom up to ships in space looked a lot like some of the effects that were utilized on Firefly.

[Jared]

I was surprised that there's a subplot involving the character Helo on Caprica. It's interesting, and there's alot of potential, though I was originally expecting that we'd never see the Colonies again, as I assumed the Cylons were exterminating everyone with nukes.

The show is not a sequel to the original series, it's a remake with its own continuity.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Just watched the first two episodes "33" and "Water". Both were intense, yet very human stories. Things are being slowly played out, yet NOT too slowly. This might become my favorite scifi show, if the quality stays this good!

[Slayven]

i hate the jumping camera

[Deathstroke]

Okay, I admit I gave in.

I taped the two episodes.

I haven't watched them yet, but with all the build up I was worn down and will probably end up watching the series.

I'm such a TV Whore.

[DF2506]

^^^Ya, Deathstroke!

I know you're still upset about Sci-Fi canceling Farscape, heck I am too, but they did show the mini-series, plus they have been getting a little bit better imo. Stargate and Stargate Altantis, imo, have been good (and Ben & Claudia being in season 9 of Stargate is going to make it that show even better, imo).

Most of all, Battlestar Galactica, imo, seems like a really good show (may even be a great show. time will tell). I hope you like the first two! I think their great! Especially "33".

DF2506
" Can't wait to see more! Next week is the Richard Hatch episode! "

[Toonimator]

And some of the character subplots are pretty interesting... Boomer's a bit of an enigma, since she appears to have a sort of cross-programming.
Not cross-programming... very SPECIFIC programming. She's a sleeper agent, programmed to think she's human (they mention that either in the miniseries or, I think, "33"... I just think it was prior to Boomer actually acting out any Cylon missions). When the Cylons need her to do something, they activate her mission protocols, which are likely separate from her human behavior programming, and when the missions are complete and her human programming kicks in, she has no memory of what she did.

One part that was kinda odd was when her screen was showing positive water contacts... I get that she was fighting her Cylon programming there, but what's with the bomb? Was her Cylon programming reaching toward it to set it off if her human side confirmed positive contacts? It didn't quite make sense, because she DIDN'T touch it even when she managed to confirm the positive contact. Her hand flew away from it, in fact.

Oh, yeah, I love this show. So far, so great!

[Phil Clark]

Maybe her hand moved away from it BECAUSE she broke her cylon programming and confirmed water?

This could prove to be an interesting situation, so long as they don't over play it.

[Gaz]

Maybe her hand moved away from it BECAUSE she broke her cylon programming and confirmed water?

This could prove to be an interesting situation, so long as they don't over play it.

As someone who's seen most of the season, they don't overuse it really, but she gets a little creepy later on.

[Inkthinker]

I was surprised that there's a subplot involving the character Helo on Caprica. It's interesting, and there's alot of potential, though I was originally expecting that we'd never see the Colonies again, as I assumed the Cylons were exterminating everyone with nukes.

And given that Helo is using limited supplies to stave off radiation poisoning and traveling unaware with a Cylon, he's probably going to come to a bad end, sadly. But it is an interesting subplot.

[Karl J. Barnes]

And given that Helo is using limited supplies to stave off radiation poisoning and traveling unaware with a Cylon, he's probably going to come to a bad end, sadly. But it is an interesting subplot.

I'm still not sure if the Boomer on the Galactica is not also a Cylon. The episode "Water" really kind solidfied my thoughts that she is a Cylon, but her "human" half is getting the upper hand. Which I think showed when the blonde Cylon tried to help Helo out at the begining of "Water".

[roguespirit]

As someone who's seen most of the season, they don't overuse it really, but she gets a little creepy later on.

Don't she just

[Gaz]

*hums sweetly*

[Ontir]

by they way, i saw the mini on DVD at Wal-Mart for $19.82 yesterday.

as someone who doesnt really know anything about they original series other than seeing bits and pieces, but i thought the mini was awesome and i cant wait to see the series.

just out of curiousity, can anyone explain how the mini and the current series relate to the original? i assumed that this run takes place 40 years after the first series, but then when i saw that they were using the same names i thought this was a "remake" of the first. if this is a remake, then was there an original movie or something that chronicles the initial conflict or whatever? also maybe the story that covers the "current" humans and how/why they left Earth.

This doesn't really relate directly to the original. They DID bring in some of the earlier models, as exhibits in the new museum Galactica in the mini, but essentially, this is a complete re-make, and unbeholden to the original.

In the first series, the Cylons were robots built by the original, organic Cylons. They overthrew their masters, and declared war on all organic lifeforms.

This time out, the Cylons were a servant robot race, who rebelled against their creators. There was a prolonged war, which ended in an ceasefire, but no real peace treaty. The humas assumed the Cylons had just gone away, and gotten over their hatred of them. 40 years later, after a great deal of R&D, and intense planning and infiltration, humanity on the twelve worlds, found out just how wrong they were.

The new series is also far less "Mormons in Space," than the original. The basics are still there, but it's far less overt. It's also a great deal more adult than the original. What I've seen thus far, makes it the best sci-fi on TV right now, and on par with Farscape and JMS' Babylon,Crusade series. I don't have cable, so I'm going to have to wait for the box-set, for which I'm already drooling!!!

[vertigo_phreeze]

This time out, the Cylons were a servant robot race, who rebelled against their creators. There was a prolonged war, which ended in an ceasefire, but no real peace treaty. The humas assumed the Cylons had just gone away, and gotten over their hatred of them. 40 years later, after a great deal of R&D, and intense planning and infiltration, humanity on the twelve worlds, found out just how wrong they were.

did they just talk about the "prolonged war" or did they actually show that somewhere else (in the original or current)? or maybe we'll get some flashbacks? thanks for the reply.

also, since i found out that when i watched the mini on network tv the otherday it was the 3 hour cut, i have decided i am going to buy it on DVD since i liked it so much. havent got to watch the first 2 episodes yet, they actually recorded during a re-air today...cant'wait.

[Toonimator]

I'm still not sure if the Boomer on the Galactica is not also a Cylon. The episode "Water" really kind solidfied my thoughts that she is a Cylon, but her "human" half is getting the upper hand. Which I think showed when the blonde Cylon tried to help Helo out at the begining of "Water".
Boomer IS a Cylon. "Water" proved that, if the reveal of a Boomer-looking Cylon at the end of the miniseries wasn't enough. Boomer, on Galactica, is simply a Cylon sleeper agent, programmed to think she really IS a human, unaware of her Cylon nature. Except now, as of "Water", she's becoming aware that something's wrong.

Boomer v1, on Galactica, is malfunctioning. Something's obviously going wrong with her programming, which may be intentional, as she probably wouldn't normally "wake up" mid-mission like in Water (still dripping wet, with one bomb left) and also was able to notice the discrepency when her monitor said "H2O Positive" and she kept saying "Negative"... is her programming breaking down? Is it a Cylon plot to further some larger goal by making their agent think she's going crazy, worried that she's actually a Cylon or being used by them at least? Why would they do that? Be interesting to find out!!

Boomer v2 seems to be sent to gain Helo's trust for some reason. Her killing the Six that approached Helo wasn't the human side of either of the lady Cylons, it was a setup. V2 was supposed to kill that Six unit, to gain Helo's trust... if she simply showed up, that'd be more suspicious, so the whole thing with her Raptor and all was staged... the Cylons took a captured Raptor, stashed it in the woods, and had Centurions swarm it, so Boomer V2 could maintain her cover. Helo may know Cylons can look like people now (don't recall if that was made clear), but he's got no reason to suspect "Sharon" at the moment.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I am still of a mind that maybe the Cylons made their sleeper clones too well or that could be the case. I don't know, I just have a feeling that Sharon might be the exception to the rule...but of course, having a feeling isn't the same as having evidence to back it up.

[Toonimator]

did they just talk about the "prolonged war" or did they actually show that somewhere else (in the original or current)? or maybe we'll get some flashbacks? thanks for the reply.
Nothing was shown, in the original (far as I recall) or the new.

In the original series, I don't think an actual Cylon was ever shown, unless the Imperious Leader was supposed to be one, and even then we only got shadowy views of him. I don't recall specifically that the reptilian Cylons were wiped out by their robotic creations... I thought they just used 'em as cannon fodder & servants. But it's been a long time.

In the new series, the look of the OLD series (Centurions, Viper Mark IIs) is part of the world, but from the past, the first Cylon War 40+ years earlier (in which the Galactica was a key player). That's when old Vipers were new, when Cylon Basestars looked like two of those inflatable frisbee-balloons stacked atop each other, and Centurions were walking chrome toasters (as Baltar called 'em).

Flashbacks might be fun, but not very practical, as none of the characters on the show would've been part of that 40-year-old war (The President, Adama, and Col. Tigh would've been kids during it)

I am still of a mind that maybe the Cylons made their sleeper clones too well or that could be the case. I don't know, I just have a feeling that Sharon might be the exception to the rule...but of course, having a feeling isn't the same as having evidence to back it up.
Huh? I don't really understand what you're saying then. Sharon is DEFINITELY a Cylon, far as we know. Where her loyalties lie, however, is a different matter entirely. Her "human" programming may win out ultimately, but to your original post which said you were thinking she MIGHT be a Cylon, there's no "might" about it: she is one. She fared much better than anyone else during the long sleepless hours of "33"; she placed several bombs in water tanks, apparently without any breathing apparatus, in "Water", and she was obviously fighting some force that compelled her to deny finding signs of water. I suppose it COULD turn out later that she's just been implanted with something and/or hypnotized into behaving a certain way, casting doubt on her humanity, and was simply used as a template for a model of Cylon people, but for now, everyone should be agreed that she IS one.

But if she's not, CPO Tyrol probably IS, and managed to "program" Sharon thru their relationship (ala fake-Francie programming Will in Season 2 of Alias). That'd be a ballsy move on their part... in which case Tyrol is probably deflecting suspicion from himself by "aiding" Sharon in hiding her behavior... but his reactions in "Water" when nobody could see his face don't give any impression but a very shocked & worried lover.

[Inkthinker]

Helo may know Cylons can look like people now (don't recall if that was made clear), but he's got no reason to suspect "Sharon" at the moment.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't know... after all, they established that only a handful of people know it for a fact in the Fleet (but rumours are running rampant), and Helo was left on Caprica long before Baltar let the cat out.

He's definitely being set up by the Cylons, but for what... well, only our British viewers (and those out there with a mind to download these things) know for sure.

BTW, bravo to all who have seen this series in the UK and elsewhere for not tossing out spoilers. Much appreciated, this is a series that should be properly enjoyed without being spoiled.

[Gaz]

I've tried to tease w/o spoiling. Glad I managed it.:)

[ghostrider666]

(Still waiting for a recap of the 1st 30 min of "33")

One thing I still dont understand in the story, is; the human-looking cylons say that when they "die" their consciousness is beamed to another body, ok. Then it looks like Boomer is receiving orders from the rest of the robots. So, the whole cylon party really knows where the galactica is, so why dont they just decend on them with overwhelming numbers & as bender would say "kill all humans"?

[Toonimator]

One thing I still dont understand in the story, is; the human-looking cylons say that when they "die" their consciousness is beamed to another body, ok. Then it looks like Boomer is receiving orders from the rest of the robots. So, the whole cylon party really knows where the galactica is, so why dont they just decend on them with overwhelming numbers & as bender would say "kill all humans"?
When they die, the consciousness is beamed to another body... there's nothing been said about a continuous transmission. Boomer's Cylon orders may've been programmed before the Galactica went on the run, or beamed to her, without her knowledge, during the many attacks from the Mini to "33". If she dies, however, something in her body will transmit her knowledge to another Boomer unit... and THEN they'd know where the humans are, or were, provided they act quick. Perhaps that's why she's discovered something's wrong with her... if she gets outed as a Cylon & executed, ping! Instant Homing Beacon.

To the comment about Helo not knowing about Cylons being human, I just wasn't sure if Boomer v2 mentioned it after killing the Six unit, or if he puzzled it out for himself yet. He may have... he's gotta wonder why Boomer killed what appeared to be a harmless woman.

[The Adventurer]

Best new Sci-Fi in a while. It's dramatic dark tones make it unique from all other previous Sci-Fi shows, it's not just your average "Ships in Space" show. It's definitly Farscape/Babylon 5 quality. But maybe not quite Firefly good. It's a solid compliment to Stargate's Action/Adventure, giving you two unique space shows in one great night.

The shaky cam is cool as hell, I like how it swings around focusing, and not doing the Wide Still Shots thing that Babylon 5 seemed to love.

This better make it to season 2.


On the topic of the previous Human/Cylon War as took place in the new series. Commander Adama was a fighter pilot on Galactica during that conflict, he battled Cylons who had the classic series likenesses, flying wing maned Cylon fighters, Twin Frisby Basestars, and Walking Toster Cylon Centurions. I liked that injoke when it was revealed in the mini-series.

An interesting note, there's going to be a Battlestar Galactica Video game that will be a prequal to the New Series, you'll play Adama the Fighter Pilot during the first Cylon/Human war. So it'll be like playing in the Original TV Series world, except not.

[vertigo_phreeze]

An interesting note, there's going to be a Battlestar Galactica Video game that will be a prequal to the New Series, you'll play Adama the Fighter Pilot during the first Cylon/Human war. So it'll be like playing in the Original TV Series world, except not.

that sounds cool. who is making the game?

[Deathstroke]

I finally got around to watching the tape of the first two hours last night.

I fell asleep.

[MrHymes01]

so far so good... it's not a spectacular as i thought it would be, but it's definitely apart of my friday line-up now. this kind of reminds me of that old fox series "space: above and beyond"... while not AS dark as that show, there are a LOT of similarities...

[The Adventurer]

I finally got around to watching the tape of the first two hours last night.

I fell asleep.


I guess the show just isn't for you, got watch something else. It's a good time for TV, Lost, 24, Alias, Stargate SG-1, and Stargate Atlantis. Something good for everyone. I personaly watch them all, I have a varrity of tastes and am not very choosy of genres or themes.

[DF2506]

It's a good time for TV, Lost, 24, Alias, Stargate SG-1, and Stargate Atlantis. Something good for everyone.<

Definitly agree with you there. Lost, 24, Alias, Stargate, and Stargate: Atlantis are all really good programs (especially Lost, which was my favorite show of the fall and still one of my favorites). Battlestar Galactica looks like its going to join the ranks of those great programs. Too bad you didn't like it Deathstroke. Hmm. I'd have thought you would have liked it with liking shows like Lost and West Wing. Battlestar seems to be that type of program. More about the characters, less about the story (thought "33", imo, is a pretty intense episode. "Water" is much more about the Boomer character). Hmm. Maybe you were just tired...(he didn't say he didn't like it. He just said he fell asleep. lol. oh whatever!).

At least we can still agree that Joan of Arcadia is a great show (the musical episode was pretty good!).

DF2506
" Can't wait to see the next Battlestar Galactica episode! Richard Hatch is guest-staring! Looks exciting! "

[Predator]

Let's bring this puppy back as the offical Battlestar thread.

Another really good episode last night. It did take me a while to figure out that there were two funerals going on, not just one. It was nice to actually see Starbuck vulnderable instead of just a blowhard. They actually give her some character material, like the scene with Adama.

Still not sure exactly what the Cylons are doing with Helo, but I guess we'll just have to wait.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Still not sure exactly what the Cylons are doing with Helo, but I guess we'll just have to wait.

You know that this is a big question for me. It seems obvivious(or maybe not) that they are using him as a study subject of some sort, but studying him for what? Do they want to see how humans react to being in a traumatic state(planet all blowed up)? Or are they testing him to see if he would make a good Cyclon clone?

I have a feeling that we won't get a BIG revelation until the season end, but Karl/Helo has become the one "ordinary" character , who's story I want to see more than what is happening on the Galactica.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I liked how it verged on the melodramatic, yet never got there. It was nice to see Hot Dog try to help out Starbuck, but not save the day and the confession of Starbuck to Adama was honest and brutal, loved that scene.

[Steve]

Just when you thought there'd be no action, the last 6 minutes or so last night proved me wrong. Good interaction between Adama and Starbuck last night though.

[DF2506]

Really good episode! This show continues to be a great series. Definitly one of my favorite shows on right now! :)

DF2506
" For my full review of this episode, please go to: http://df2506.proboards5.com/index.cgi?board=Galatica&action=display&num=1106975989 "

[Inkthinker]

...the confession of Starbuck to Adama was honest and brutal, loved that scene.


Totally gotta give props to Olmos in that scene, he played the role well. He had the perfect expression of barely contained fury and sadness combined.

The starfighter scenes in this are pretty good, but I don't care much for the sound effects of the guns. I guess they're supposed to be some sort of reflected echo within the cockpit or something, and that's why they sound so muted?

[Steve]

You hardly get emotion out of Olmos. He was always like that during Miami Vice.

[Karl J. Barnes]

You hardly get emotion out of Olmos. He was always like that during Miami Vice.

You see Olmos' emotions in his eyes and his body language. I like his minimal acting style, alot of other actors would have thrown a fit.

[Steve]

You see Olmos' emotions in his eyes and his body language. I like his minimal acting style, alot of other actors would have thrown a fit.
Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't show emotion during that scene, nor that I didn't see emotion coming from him. Just that most of the acting I've previously seen from the guy, he comes off hard, not showing much emotion.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't show emotion during that scene, nor that I didn't see emotion coming from him. Just that most of the acting I've previously seen from the guy, he comes off hard, not showing much emotion.


Oh. Okay, but he is a very minimal emoting type of actor though I can and do enjoy how Al Pacino can munch on the scenery, it is the quiet and reflective actor that can draw you more into the performance, since you've got to pay attention. And you're right, Olmos from Miami Vice to Blade Runner to Stand And Deliver has had that restrained acting method, but it is so right for him.

[Steve]

What, no opinions on last night's episode?

My jaw dropped when Kara discovered what was inside that Cylon Raider.

Overall, probably my favorite epsiode yet.

[DF2506]

My jaw dropped when Kara discovered what was inside that Cylon Raider. <

Ditto! Also thought the part on Caprica was awesome and of course I liked the part with Starbuck, the Cylon Raider, and Apollo near the end! :)

<Overall, probably my favorite epsiode yet.<

Definitly one of my favorites so far. Not sure if its my favorite (might be). This show is so great. I've enjoyed all the episodes alot so far!

Can't wait till next episode! Looks great!

DF2506
" Thinks the new Battlestar is an awesome series! "

[Steve]

My jaw dropped when Kara discovered what was inside that Cylon Raider. <

Ditto! Also thought the part on Caprica was awesome and of course I liked the part with Starbuck, the Cylon Raider, and Apollo near the end! :)

<Overall, probably my favorite epsiode yet.<

Definitly one of my favorites so far. Not sure if its my favorite (might be). This show is so great. I've enjoyed all the episodes alot so far!

Can't wait till next episode! Looks great!

DF2506
" Thinks the new Battlestar is an awesome series! "

I hope they keep this up cause it will very likely be a DVD purchase for me.

[DF2506]

I hope they keep this up cause it will very likely be a DVD purchase for me.<

I have no doubt that when this comes to dvd, that it will be a MUST buy for me! This series is just so awesome. I can't wait to see what Ron Moore and co. do next!

DF2506
" Battlestar is definitly my favorite show on Friday nights right now! "

[scyfli]

I'm loving this series and will definitely buy it on DVD when it comes out.

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Did anyone else find the Cylon invasion of Helo and Boomer's makeshift base on Caprica to be a little too convenient? Almost as though they were looking to give Boomer a reason to disappear for a while and get new orders/brief the Cylons? I'm still trying to figure out why they've paired her with Helo. Some sort of experiment on human reactions, maybe? Anybody have any thoughts about this?

And I think the good Doctor is close to unhinged.

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[cactusmaac]

This is a really, really good show.

Only complaint is that Starbuck looks too much like Macaulay Culkin.

[Jared]

I can't figure what's going on with Helo either. At first I thought maybe they were using him to help locate other survivors or resistance fighters, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of that.

And does Baltar remind anyone else of Dr. Bashir?

[scyfli]

I can't figure what's going on with Helo either. At first I thought maybe they were using him to help locate other survivors or resistance fighters, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of that.

And does Baltar remind anyone else of Dr. Bashir?

Yes! You hit it right on the nose, Jared. I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with my friends about this show where I nearly called Baltar Bashir. And it's not just his mannerisms or the accent. He actually looks a bit like Bashir too. He has the same narrow face.

Not that it's a bad thing, really. Bashir was one of my favorite characters on DS9.

[Phil Clark]

I loved the episode. And to try to keep from spoiling it for anyone, lets just say... I look forward to seeing what gets done with Starbucks souvenir. This show just keeps getting better and better. Come on, season two!!!!

[Private America]

What, no opinions on last night's episode?

My jaw dropped when Kara discovered what was inside that Cylon Raider.

Overall, probably my favorite epsiode yet.

So...what exactly WAS inside the Cylon raider?

I know it was a lifeform of some kind, but what kind of lifeform?

I haven't seen the mini, but have seen all the individual episodes.

[Donald M.]

So...what exactly WAS inside the Cylon raider?

I know it was a lifeform of some kind, but what kind of lifeform?

I haven't seen the mini, but have seen all the individual episodes.

The Raider is the lifeform. It's alive and intelligent, a type of Cylon loosely based on the same cloning/cybernetic technology used to develop the human-type Cylons.

[Captain Trips]

I just caught the last two episodes that I had missed last night (the two-parter). I have to say that part two was my least favorite of the series so far. I thought it was silly that Starbuck would be able to fly that Cylon ship so quickly and easily. She was outmaneuvering Apollo in a ship that she had just figured out the controls to (somehow) only a few minutes before. Plus, her only vision was through the narrow slit at the head of the ship, yet she was able to see pretty well. Not a terrible episode by any stretch, but the weakest one so far in my opinion.

[Donald M.]

I just caught the last two episodes that I had missed last night (the two-parter). I have to say that part two was my least favorite of the series so far. I thought it was silly that Starbuck would be able to fly that Cylon ship so quickly and easily. She was outmaneuvering Apollo in a ship that she had just figured out the controls to (somehow) only a few minutes before. Plus, her only vision was through the narrow slit at the head of the ship, yet she was able to see pretty well. Not a terrible episode by any stretch, but the weakest one so far in my opinion.

Yeah. In as series that is far more realistic (relatively speaking) than most TV sci-fi, that did stretch credulity just a bit.

[DF2506]

I loved part 2. It was even better then part 1. Just so much great stuff in the episode (especially all the Cylon ship stuff with Starbuck and of course the part with Helo on Caprica was pretty cool, imo)! Part 2 is prob the best episode of the new Battlestar Galactica yet, imo! And thats saying alot since this show has already had a ton of great episodes!

Btw, Battlestar Galactica has been renewed for a second season!!!!!! :D :D :D

I'm VERY happy about this! This show is so great!

Read the news here: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30357

DF2506
" Can't wait to see more episodes!! "

[Steve]

Btw, Battlestar Galactica has been renewed for a second season!!!!!! :D :D :D
Heck yeah!

[Inkthinker]

I'm with the "that was a bit much" group concerning Starbuck's escape method in pt. II, but I'm still very into this show.

It wasn't so much that she learned how to fly a completely alien ship with no real controls to speak of in less than a day, and then flew it like a pro... I can take that, she's a heroic character and heroic characters do stuff like that.

Naw, what bugged me was that she was able to hermetically seal a breach in the hull of the ship and then take it from atmosphere to space and survive... by stuffing her jacket in the hole. I mean... damn, people, she should have burned up and froze to death. Maybe if she'd kept on her suit through the whole thing, I could have bought it, but the second she took off her helmet I was like, "Bwah?" and reality went out the window.

Just the same, I am digging this show and happy as heck to hear about a second season. I just wish they'd thought the writing through on that a little more...

For instance, I'd have had much less trouble with it had they shown her rigging her own tanks to the Cylon air tube and staying in the suit, and plugging that hole with a piece of scrap metal and a tool in her kit.

[Inkthinker]

BTW, for anyone with TiVo or whatnot... did anyone notice the tote board behind the President when Baltar was getting his requisitions signed (and his fingers tickled by his personal hallucination)? I've been wondering if the number on it had changed to reflect the pilots lost in the previous episode.

[ghostrider666]

Ok, I liked the newest episode. I dig how the cylons are now really a lifeform. Between their A.I. & their evolved bio-tech, they are a life form of their own.
This brings up another question I have. What's the cylon's motive of killing all humans (ala bender)? They too are now a lifeform, & having created a model that so close to human, you cant really tell the difference, what's up?
Is it the whole Frankenstein thing, a creation abandoned by its creator then turns & kills its creator, or is there something more.
I'd hate it if the cylons are so pissed off because their daddy wouldnt play ball with them.

[cactusmaac]

They think humans are evil.

[roguespirit]

They also seem pretty disgusted that humans don't acknowlegde God

[Phil Clark]

Humans should be their gods, because humans created them. As to why they are trying to kill the humans, I don't know that they ever specified why they went to war in the first place.

[Toonimator]

Humans should be their gods, because humans created them. As to why they are trying to kill the humans, I don't know that they ever specified why they went to war in the first place.
They went to war the first time because they were built to serve humans... once their AI got to a certain level, the typical sci-fi AI idea of "Why serve humans?" popped up and they rebelled violently, then left. Someone must have sparked it, like the Cylon's "God" (possibly the most advanced Cylon of the time who inspired the rest to rebel). And there must be SOME reason peace couldn't be negotiated.

The Mini opens with the neutral space station where they could negotiate, but the Cylons want no part of it. So like the opening of the show indicates, it seems they've got a plan.

And they're not upset because humans don't worship God... because they do, the Lords of Kobol, aka Greek Pantheon (so far, anyway)... they're upset because they don't believe/worship the CYLON God.

[roguespirit]

Humans should be their gods, because humans created them. As to why they are trying to kill the humans, I don't know that they ever specified why they went to war in the first place.


They see God as the creator of all life not just their life, in the same way that christians respond to the fatherhood of God despite having fathers.

[Basara]

Several times now in both the mini and the series, there have been statements by Cylons expressing their belief in the savagery of humans along the lines of:

"We must find them. They will seek their revenge. It is their nature."

"They would have wiped each other out if we had not done so."

They clearly think that large numbers of humans present a threat to their existance. Why else attempt the wholesale genocide of the human race? This might also explain why they are keeping Helo alive on Caprica. Since he is only a single human, they can use him to either study his reactions to situations they engineer or for some express purpose such as possibly ferreting out groups of human survivors for them.

It is possible that the Cylon god is aware of the legend of Earth and is fearful of their possible return one day to avenge the destruction of the twelve colonies. So the Cylons allow Adama's ragtag fleet to escape with the express hope of finding this thirteenth colony (or at least proving that it is nothing but legend). This could very well be their plan, allow Adama to locate any vestiges of humanity that may provide a threat to Cylon security and eradicate them once found.

[scyfli]

Can anybody give me a quick synopsis of the first half of last week's episode?

I was able to catch the last half of the repeat of the episode SciFi aired, but missed the first half.

Thanks in advance.

[ragnarok_2012]

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*Boomer & her bf (Chief Tyrol) hook up at the same time that
a cylon agent blows himself up. A door that was supposed to be locked was left unlocked, and the bomber used it to enter a restricted area. Tyrol is supposed to be on watch, I believe. Also, Tyrol's people were probably a bit too busy covering for Tyrol to see much else.

*After the very public act of sabotage, the President admits that the Cylons have human agents

*A witch hunt ensues

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Chief Tyrol of being a cylon agent

*Tyrol won't admit that he was with Boomer. He has no alibi.

*One of Tyrol's men decides to take the fall for him

*Adama is accused of being a Cylon agent, and (arguably illegally) closes the tribunal.

*Tyrol begs Adama to get his man out of the brig and confesses. Adama refuses but tells him to shape up.

*Tyrol breaks up with Boomer. He can't deal with covering for her anymore. He asks her if she left the door open that the bomber used. She doesn't answer.

[Inkthinker]

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Episode 6 was pretty intense... big props again to Olmos for another excellent dramatic moment, this time as he confronts Tyrol with the reality of what his failure has and will continue to cost him. I also loved that moment in which the Commander forces that poor damn soldier to make the decision that would affect the entire future of the Fleet, by either siding with Adama or the Security Chief.

I've finally figured out what the deal is with Halo, I think... The Cylons are using him as an expirimental observational subject to determine the behaviours of men, and possibly to determine the Cylons' future plans for their dealings with humanity as a whole. If Halo proves to be more concerned with survival than such things as love and loyalty, it will confirm the Cylons' darkest beliefs about the inhumanity of man.

[Donald M.]

Inkthinker:

I've seen the whole of season one, and if you're correct then Helo (and through him, all of humanity) passed the test with flying colors.

[ragnarok_2012]

Thanks Ink!!!


Just to test. I've also seen the entire first season. The people who are just watching it as it premiere's on Sci-Fi are in for a treat with each new episode. And I feel sorry for the Australians. I think episode 1 came out there this past Friday.

[scyfli]

Much obliged ragnarok. I was wondering at some of the things Tyrol said in the parts of the episode that I was able to catch. Now I finally have the answers.

I tell you, I'm chomping at the bit for Friday's episode :D

[UniqueFrequency]

Thanks Ink!!!


Just to test. I've also seen the entire first season. The people who are just watching it as it premiere's on Sci-Fi are in for a treat with each new episode. And I feel sorry for the Australians. I think episode 1 came out there this past Friday.


feel sorry for the Singaporeans. i don't think the show is due here for a LONG time more.

btw, could i just ask, what's the show about?

[ragnarok_2012]

The premise for the new series:

*Humans with futuristic technology create an artificially intelligent slave race called the Cylons. The Cylons decided they should be in charge. A war was fought a generation ago. There is an uneasy peace.

*The Cylons use human agents that they've created in order to infiltrate the human's government and military. Using these resources, they've destroyed perhaps 99% of humanity in the space of a day.

*About 45,000 humans remain, and they're trying to find a mythical planet called Earth.

*They have cylon agents on board many of their ships, and they've being followed by cylons. The agents are sabotaging and subverting their efforts at survival.

*Only one military vessel has survived, because it was created to be just about immune to electronic warfare. Its computer systems are just too "stupid" to be subverted.

It starts out with a short mini-series, and has had a season of 13 episodes filmed already. The second season is currently in the works.

[UniqueFrequency]

The premise for the new series:

*Humans with futuristic technology create an artificially intelligent slave race called the Cylons. The Cylons decided they should be in charge. A war was fought a generation ago. There is an uneasy peace.

*The Cylons use human agents that they've created in order to infiltrate the human's government and military. Using these resources, they've destroyed perhaps 99% of humanity in the space of a day.

*About 45,000 humans remain, and they're trying to find a mythical planet called Earth.

*They have cylon agents on board many of their ships, and they've being followed by cylons. The agents are sabotaging and subverting their efforts at survival.

*Only one military vessel has survived, because it was created to be just about immune to electronic warfare. Its computer systems are just too "stupid" to be subverted.

It starts out with a short mini-series, and has had a season of 13 episodes filmed already. The second season is currently in the works.

thank you very much =) sounds quite cool indeed!

is this linked to the old tv series? or like a completely new take on things?

[roguespirit]

thank you very much =) sounds quite cool indeed!

is this linked to the old tv series? or like a completely new take on things?

same premise but despite the fact that certain characters share names with old characters it is a completely new take.

Eg. Boomer - old series - black dude; new series - asian woman

[Karl J. Barnes]

Tonight's episode , though good, was a bit heavy handed, Baltar accused of helping the Cylons commit genocide and having him "see" the light of a one true God. Actually, the only real cool part of the episode was Boomer finding Cylon written on her mirror in her locker. Next week's episode looks like things are coming to a head.

[Predator]

I wasn't into last night's episode as I have been most of the others. It just left me with a bunch of questions. Why did Baltar need to believe in God? How did "Ms. Godfrey" get off Galactica? Why was Boomer so aroused by the Cyclon fighter? A bit of a disappointment, but it's always fun watching Baltar act wild-eyed and crazy. :)

[Karl J. Barnes]

I wasn't into last night's episode as I have been most of the others. It just left me with a bunch of questions. Why did Baltar need to believe in God? How did "Ms. Godfrey" get off Galactica? Why was Boomer so aroused by the Cyclon fighter? A bit of a disappointment, but it's always fun watching Baltar act wild-eyed and crazy. :)

I don't know, if she was aroused more like a fondness. She did let slip that maybe the fliers were like pets. So maybe for Cylons, the Fliers are like Hawks or something?

[roguespirit]

I wasn't into last night's episode as I have been most of the others. It just left me with a bunch of questions. Why did Baltar need to believe in God? How did "Ms. Godfrey" get off Galactica? Why was Boomer so aroused by the Cyclon fighter? A bit of a disappointment, but it's always fun watching Baltar act wild-eyed and crazy. :)


Believe me it will all becoome clear

[Steve]

I enjoyed last night's episode a lot.

Especially when Boomer expressed her thoughts on that Cylon fighter.

The bathroom scene with Baltar and Gaeta was funny.

And yeah, how DID Ms. Godfrey get off the Galactica?

I thought the momene Godfrey kissed Baltar was bizarre. He had like no reaction.

[Deathstroke]

I'm growing very sick and tired of this Baltar. He acts completely whacked out all the time, and is always talking to himself (Number 6). Let's not forget all the times he is shown making out holding, hugging his fantasy, when no one is actually there, yet no one ever sees this?

Very very strange little attempt at eroticism with Boomer and the Cylon ship.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'm growing very sick and tired of this Baltar. He acts completely whacked out all the time, and is always talking to himself (Number 6). Let's not forget all the times he is shown making out holding, hugging his fantasy, when no one is actually there, yet no one ever sees this?

Very very strange little attempt at eroticism with Boomer and the Cylon ship.

I was hoping with this episode that Baltar would grow a pair. Hopefully by the end of the season, he'll be more of a man and less of a weakling.

[Deathstroke]

I was hoping with this episode that Baltar would grow a pair. Hopefully by the end of the season, he'll be more of a man and less of a weakling.

I'd be happier if he's found out and gets spaced.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'd be happier if he's found out and gets spaced.

I think that would be taking the easy way out. I want to see, if they can redeem Baltar. Here's truely vain and weak man, who uses his talent for his own glory, basically a pretty pathetic man; I'm wondering if the writer's could somehow transform him from this to someone, who becomes a person with integrity and honor. Help him reclaim is humanity.

[Steve]

Has anyone been checking out the Battlestar Galactica (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/) site? They have lots of deleted scenes you should check out. This is per episode too. Just go to the Episodes section and scroll down. Hopefully, they'll integrate these into the DVD sets.

Here's one (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/107/deleted1.html) from the last episode. Is that Cylon poop? lol

[DF2506]

He acts completely whacked out all the time, and is always talking to himself (Number 6). <

Well John Crichton was whacked out all the time (well, MOST of the time anyway) and talked to himself quiete a bit and that was an amazing character, imo!

Sure, Baltar is no John Crichton, but I like the character (not as much as John, but he's definitly one of the best characters on BSG imo). I think its great that BSG has a whacked out guy who talks to himself all the time! I think every show should have one! Ok, maybe not every show, but you know...a few more crazy people on network tv shows couldn't hurt, imo! :)

Seriously, I love crazy/slightly crazy characters (John was the best). Crazy characters are cool! :)

That said, Boomer is prob my favorite character on the show, followed by Starbuck, then Baltar, then Adama, Apollo, Helo, the Chief, etc.

Six is prob my least favorite character really, BUT I do like the mystery of her and I'm interested in her motives with Baltar and elsewhere. And she's MUCH better then characters like Seven of 9 or T'Pol (and better looking to boot).

IMO, every single character on Galactica has something interesting about them.

Man, this show is so great! This and Lost are definitly my favorite shows right now (then 24, Joan, House, Alias, and there's others).

As for Fridays episode, prob the weakest episode yet (but even a weak episode of this show is pretty good imo). My favorite parts were definitly with Starbuck, Boomer (both of them), the Chief, etc. Though Baltar had some really good scenes...like that bathroom scene! LOL! " You forgot to wash your hands! " lol!

DF2506
" Another great line from the episode: Apollo to Starbuck (while Starbuck is in the Cylon ship): " Don't shoot anything! " heheh. "

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I'm liking this series a lot as well. Olmos hits it near-perfect as Adama. Mary McDonnell is also very good as the President. Some of the other actors, however, are not as impressive. I have to agree that I find James Callis' Baltar too twitchy and neurotic to be believable. Katee Sackhoff has not impressed me as Starbuck either. Perhaps she has not hit her stride with the character yet, but he overacting destroys the mood in many of the scenes. Aaron Douglas, however, does a nice job as Tyrol. The jury is out for me on Boomer, Helo and many of the other characters. I haven't seen every episode that's been shown in the U.S. yet, but I'm intrigued enough to keep watching.

One thing that did bother me, however, was the ease with which Helo dispatched the Cylons chasing him. A couple shots to the head seems a little easy for what looks to be such a formidible machine.

[Karl J. Barnes]

One thing that did bother me, however, was the ease with which Helo dispatched the Cylons chasing him. A couple shots to the head seems a little easy for what looks to be such a formidible machine.


Well, they don't want to kill him, yet. So it has to LOOK harder than it is, at least that is how I see it.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Well, they don't want to ill him, yet. So it has to LOOK harder than it is, at least that is how I see it.

That's a good point. It may be that the human-looking Cylons are instructing the robot-Cylons to harrass Helo and Cylon-Boomer2, but not kill them.

[Inkthinker]

I'm growing somewhat fascinated by the thought that the Cylons are actually fully capable of destroying the remaining humans and their rag-tag little fleet at any time, but are holding off on their destruction while determining if humanity is perhaps worth sparing.

It seems likely that if there are Cylons in the fleet, then the greater force of Cylons could track or communicate with their agents, so the fleet's location is probably known... but the expiriments with Helo, and Six's continual attempts to save Baltar's soul by convincing him of the existence of God, as well as other possible observational expiriments that might be happening elsewhere, are the only thing that prevents the hammer from dropping.

I'm not sure of Galactica Boomer's purpose, but it seems to me that if the Cylons really wanted to destroy the Galactica or seriously cripple the fleet, that there are more effective places she could have sabotaged than the water tanks... she's a well-known and trusted Lieutenant and could probably have placed charges near the engines, life support or even in the command area, if the Cylon's purpose was to wipe out the remnants of humankind. It's possible that her relationship with Tyrol and his actions in response to their illicit affair and it's consequences are also being taken into account as the Cylons weigh humanities virtues against their sins...

I got a kick out of the deeper understanding of the Cylon Raiders... bio-organic creatures that are more akin to dogs or hawks makes a lot of sense.

[Inkthinker]

More good news:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30466

20 new episodes are greenlit, and the show is set to premiere late this summer.

Woo-hoo!! :D

[Steve]

Late Summer? That's excellent.

[Steve]

So was that a glitch on Baltar's comp when testing Galactica's Boomer? I still for the life of me can't figure out if she's a Cylon or not. Am I the only one who feels this way? Did I miss any other clues other than her facination for the Cylon Raider as a pet?

Its interesting what that Cylon agent said to Kara and whispered to President Roslin.

[Deathstroke]

I think Boomer is a Cylon. Which will make in interesting when she is finally found out because she's one of my favorites.

[Atomic Horror]

So was that a glitch on Baltar's comp when testing Galactica's Boomer? I still for the life of me can't figure out if she's a Cylon or not. Am I the only one who feels this way? Did I miss any other clues other than her facination for the Cylon Raider as a pet?

Its interesting what that Cylon agent said to Kara and whispered to President Roslin.


It was revealed at the end of the original miniseries that Boomer is, in fact, a Cylon. It's also mentioned in the "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" bit at the start of some episodes ("some Cylons are programmed to think they are human" over a shot of Boomer)

[Inkthinker]

For crying out loud, how could there be any doubt?!? THERE'S TWO OF HER, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

Boomer is a Cylon. DONE. Why would there even be a question about this?

Yeesh. :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel any better, both versions of her are probably going to turn traitor to the Cylons and side with humanity (British viewers would know more about that, but they're being nice and not spoiling it for us latecomers).

[Steve]

For crying out loud, how could there be any doubt?!? THERE'S TWO OF HER, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

Boomer is a Cylon. DONE. Why would there even be a question about this?

Yeesh. :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel any better, both versions of her are probably going to turn traitor to the Cylons and side with humanity (British viewers would know more about that, but they're being nice and not spoiling it for us latecomers).
Geez, talk about overreacting.

[Inkthinker]

It's a talent.

:D

[Karl J. Barnes]

Last nights episode seemed to clarify things for me. The Boomer/Helo(Sharon/Karl) thing seems to me that the Cylons have kept Karl alive to see if Cylons and humans can mate/are compatible. The reason for this thought, is it looked as if Sharon was having morning sickness in the barn or maybe I'm reading to much into the fact that she threw up(not knowing if Cylons are susceptible to any illnesses.).

The whole prophecy thing is intriguing, but it is a slippery slope to travel. I'm not sure how I feel that the President is able to forsee the future.

[Predator]

I know it's becoming a weekly thing I say, but last night was another good episode. There's finally a conflict with Cylon forces! Of all that's been done this season, they haven't done that very often and it was good to see. When the plan was going as scheduled I was just saying "Come on, come on, you've GOT to have a back-up for this!" Sure enough, they proved me right. :)

I'm still not sure where the Boomer/Helo plot will end, but it's still holding my interest.

As for Number Six convincing Baltar of God, I'm thinking that it's some sort of brainwashing to get Baltar on the side of the Cyclon's. Common I know, but it seems to be the most likely.

Only, what, two episodes left this season? Sure feels like it's gone by quick.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I know that they won't, but I would love to see a full episode of of Boomer/Helo. I'm more intrigued by what is going on between them and the dupilcate Cylons than anything happening on the Galactica, if only barely.

[VCreed32]

Is there a sci-fi/drama category or is this show just sci-fi.
Because to just call it sci fi demeans it.

[VCreed32]

I can't figure what's going on with Helo either. At first I thought maybe they were using him to help locate other survivors or resistance fighters, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of that.

And does Baltar remind anyone else of Dr. Bashir?
Mixed with a little Wes as well.
Is Apollo still the President's military advisor?

[roguespirit]

Is there a sci-fi/drama category or is this show just sci-fi.
Because to just call it sci fi demeans it.

not at all what the general public doesnt realise is that sci -fi is a very broad cate gory containing anytngfrmrandtecve to drama t uaitawetegener publctksof sci-fi al they thinkof ar laser andobits

[roguespirit]

so drunk i'mgonatrthatg in the mornin

[ragnarok_2012]

Mixed with a little Wes as well.
Is Apollo still the President's military advisor?

I believe so.

[Predator]

Mixed with a little Wes as well.
Is Apollo still the President's military advisor?

I believe so. Haven't heard anything to the contrary. BTW, am I the only one who thought there was going to be something going on between Apollo and the President? I could swear that's where they were headed, but then it just went nowhere.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I believe so. Haven't heard anything to the contrary. BTW, am I the only one who thought there was going to be something going on between Apollo and the President? I could swear that's where they were headed, but then it just went nowhere.

Well the President DOES like having younger men around her....


But the question that I asked earlier today, do you think that the Cylons on Caparca are planning for Boomer to mate with Helo to see if they the Cylons can breed with humans?

[yeoman]

I know that they won't, but I would love to see a full episode of of Boomer/Helo. I'm more intrigued by what is going on between them and the dupilcate Cylons than anything happening on the Galactica, if only barely.

I gotta say that when they started the Caprica bits were intrigueing. They started to lose my intrest more and more as it went on though. Now I almost dread them cutting to a Helo/Boomer scene.

[yeoman]

I'm growing very sick and tired of this Baltar. He acts completely whacked out all the time, and is always talking to himself (Number 6). Let's not forget all the times he is shown making out holding, hugging his fantasy, when no one is actually there, yet no one ever sees this?

From what I see, it's pretty well known. He is, however, the smartest human left living. And was one of the smartest living even before the Cylon attacks. So they cut him slack for his eccentricities.

[roguespirit]

From what I see, it's pretty well known. He is, however, the smartest human left living. And was one of the smartest living even before the Cylon attacks. So they cut him slack for his eccentricities.
eccentricities?!! To any casual observer the guy is plain loonytoons

[Karl J. Barnes]

eccentricities?!! To any casual observer the guy is plain loonytoons


Well last episode when Starbuck and Tigh were talking to Baltar, Starbuck looked over a Tigh for a brief moment with a look of "he sure is strange". So I think that Baltar's actions aren't going unnoticed and I'm sure that they will play some part in the series as a whole. Maybe he'll become the mad prophet of the Cylon's "God".

[yeoman]

Well last episode when Starbuck and Tigh were talking to Baltar, Starbuck looked over a Tigh for a brief moment with a look of "he sure is strange". So I think that Baltar's actions aren't going unnoticed and I'm sure that they will play some part in the series as a whole. Maybe he'll become the mad prophet of the Cylon's "God".

Heck he's gone loony tunes in front of Adama. They know. They just choose to ignore it because outside of some odd physical actions, stammering and occasionally just blacking out, they need him. Badly. And he's not in a position where he has to make desicions.

[Donald M.]

Heck he's gone loony tunes in front of Adama. They know. They just choose to ignore it because outside of some odd physical actions, stammering and occasionally just blacking out, they need him. Badly. And he's not in a position where he has to make desicions.

Sometimes, reading this thread as someone who has already watched the entire first season causes me actual, physical pain, usually from laughter.

*in a singsong voice* I know something you don't know!

[Deathstroke]

Finally watched the episode with the fuel shortage.

You know what struck me? Boomer on Caprica getting sick. I would think that as a Cylon she wouldn't be affected by sickness even if they do LOOK human.

You don't think they are going to introduce some sort of wacked out Human-Cylon pregnancy storyline do you?

[Donald M.]

You don't think they are going to introduce some sort of wacked out Human-Cylon pregnancy storyline do you?

*silence* :evilsmile

[Deathstroke]

*silence* :evilsmile

That is so wrong, you evil smiley faced bastard.

[roguespirit]

Sometimes, reading this thread as someone who has already watched the entire first season causes me actual, physical pain, usually from laughter.

*in a singsong voice* I know something you don't know!

right there with you dude

[Donald M.]

That is so wrong, you evil smiley faced bastard.

Yeah, I should stay away from this thread until the last three eps have aired. There's one particular event in the final episode I'm finding it really hard not to at least hint at.

So I will exercise willpower and simply torture you with vague knowledge.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'll come out and say it: Boomer(on Caprica) is pregnant.

As to this evenings episode, nasty! Looks like Tom Scarit(sp?) will become a major player in the body politic. I like this type of intrigue. Who thinks that Ellen, Col. Tigh's wife, did the deed and killed or had killed the assassin Valentine(I think that was his name)?

Oh and Helo/Karl seeing Boomer's "twin" was priceless!

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

OK, Baltar as VP??? Because he made one nice speech? That was a little hard to believe, especially given his, uh, craziness. I did like the scene where he nailed the reporter in the bathroom. I also like the fact that it seems like he's disengaging from Six's hold over him. The scene with Helo and Boomer was great. I, too, think this Boomer is pregnant. I also think that Ellen was the one that got to Valance(sp?) to get her in with Zarek. Too bad Apollo is going to hook up with Starbuck. Too obvious for my tastes.

[Karl J. Barnes]

OK, Baltar as VP??? Because he made one nice speech? That was a little hard to believe, especially given his, uh, craziness. I did like the scene where he nailed the reporter in the bathroom. I also like the fact that it seems like he's disengaging from Six's hold over him. The scene with Helo and Boomer was great. I, too, think this Boomer is pregnant. I also think that Ellen was the one that got to Valance(sp?) to get her in with Zarek. Too bad Apollo is going to hook up with Starbuck. Too obvious for my tastes.

Well Baltar's "craziness" isn't that widely known among the rest of the colonies, plus he is widely respected, so his choice as not being the typical polictican is a pretty shrewd move by President Rosslin.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Well Baltar's "craziness" isn't that widely known among the rest of the colonies, plus he is widely respected, so his choice as not being the typical polictican is a pretty shrewd move by President Rosslin.

Perhaps, but I do agree that it's shrewd from the "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" perspective that President Roslin alluded to. It's kind of a big jump from suspecting the guy of betraying the human race a couple episodes ago to nominating him to be VP now, though. My problem with Baltar is I don't have any idea whether he's truly nuts or faking it half the time. Does he truly believe he is the hand of God now? Does he really believe in Six's guidance or is he just playing along out of self-preservation? I guess it's fine to keep the audience guessing, but it would be nice to see some sort of insight into his character that would allow one to have a feeling one way or another.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Perhaps, but I do agree that it's shrewd from the "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" perspective that President Roslin alluded to. It's kind of a big jump from suspecting the guy of betraying the human race a couple episodes ago to nominating him to be VP now, though. My problem with Baltar is I don't have any idea whether he's truly nuts or faking it half the time. Does he truly believe he is the hand of God now? Does he really believe in Six's guidance or is he just playing along out of self-preservation? I guess it's fine to keep the audience guessing, but it would be nice to see some sort of insight into his character that would allow one to have a feeling one way or another.

Agreed. Though I'm thinking that Baltar is just playing along and having some "fun"; we'll see in the next two episodes what's what, I think.

[Deathstroke]

That was a priceless moment on Cylon Occupied Caprica when Helo sees Boomer twin.

As for the pregnancy opinions, I share that, and this week's issue of TV Guide, with the hotties of BG on the cover, spoils everything.

[Karl J. Barnes]

That was a priceless moment on Cylon Occupied Caprica when Helo sees Boomer twin.

As for the pregnancy opinions, I share that, and this week's issue of TV Guide, with the hotties of BG on the cover, spoils everything.

Read an interview with Trica Helfer(No. 6) in Stuff magazine, she seems to be pretty centered and normal, plus she's married.(DAMMIT!)

[Karl J. Barnes]

Who thinks that the season finale will have the Galactica Boomer die by saving the ship, Kara finds the Arrow of Apollo with the help of Caprica's Boomer and Helo and Baltar gets rid of his mind cylon No. 6?

[roguespirit]

Who thinks that the season finale will have the Galactica Boomer die by saving the ship, Kara finds the Arrow of Apollo with the help of Caprica's Boomer and Helo and Baltar gets rid of his mind cylon No. 6?

O how I wish I could see your face at the end of the finale

[Donald M.]

O how I wish I could see your face at the end of the finale

No kidding.

I got spoiled on it (dammit) and it still made me shout and jump out of my chair!

[Deathstroke]

O how I wish I could see your face at the end of the finale

I've been spoiled about most of the finale, but I'm still unsure about the last little bit they showed in the previews for next week's finale.

[Predator]

Who thinks that the season finale will have the Galactica Boomer die by saving the ship, Kara finds the Arrow of Apollo with the help of Caprica's Boomer and Helo and Baltar gets rid of his mind cylon No. 6?

I'm with you on Kara meeting Helo and Boomer, but I don't think Baltar will be rid of Number Six yet. Maybe next season, but I don't think it will be this one.

[Steve]

I have yet to be spoiled on anything yet, other than that preview for next week's epsiode. I am so curious about the finale.

[Blueferret]

I'm looking forward to next weeks episode as well. I thought the way Baltar was spazzing out on the Raptor when they were going to Kobol was classic.

[Karl J. Barnes]

O how I wish I could see your face at the end of the finale

Well if you mean that I am way off base, then I hope that I am. I really don't want to able to predict this show. It has surprised me at every turn. The way the writers and actors play with the space opera cliche and give it a nifty twist is something that I don't want to be predictable by me.

[Blueferret]

Another part of last nights show that I thought was great was the fight between Apollo and Starbuck. Apollo busted her in the face without missing a beat. Classic.

[Karl J. Barnes]

You know, I want to see more of Apollo being more of a bad ass. So far, he's just looked like a deer caught in the site of a car's headlights. I want to see a little more initiative by him, right now he's more a react guy. Though he is starting to be more assertive, I just don't by that he really is much of a top pilot and leader right now.

[Blueferret]

I agree about Apollo. Between this weeks Starbuck fight and him picking a bar fight during the Council meeting, he's coming along nicely.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I was so bored by the tedious and pretentious mini-series, I ended up surfing the internet for most of it and barely payed attention to it.

The regular series is a vast improvement in my view. The shorten time available to the writers seems to have kicked them in the ass and forced them to cut the fat and stick to the real meat of the stories and the characters.

I've only seen the first four episodes thus far, but I'm hooked. Well done.

[Inkthinker]

You know, I want to see more of Apollo being more of a bad ass. So far, he's just looked like a deer caught in the site of a car's headlights. I want to see a little more initiative by him, right now he's more a react guy. Though he is starting to be more assertive, I just don't by that he really is much of a top pilot and leader right now.


I'd have to watch the pilot series again, but I believe part of the reason he's "like a deer caught in the headlights" thing (I agree, too) with Apollo is that he's really out of his depth as the the CAG. He's the highest-ranked pilot and the commander's son, but he's most definitely not the best or most experienced pilot (that's Starbuck)...

This is a subplot that needs more development, and we've seen a little of it... his flight along the conveyor passage at the Cylon base showed he has the skills to be the leader, and his experience in the prison revolt showed he has the courage, but in both of those cases it seems like he doesn't realize that himself until just then. Nothing I can recall indicates he has the experience of men like Adama or Tigh, he's not a hardened combat veteran yet... he's not what they really need him to be, and he knows it, but he's got to try, because there's no-one else who can.