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T Hedge Coke
02-25-2011, 06:57 PM
Comics can - sometimes - be behind the curve on presenting social realities, on being fair with representation on racial, cultural, gender, religious, political and other fronts. Especially superhero comics. Jack Kirby's Fourth World era may have been the first time hippies were present in the DCU and could be cool and sensible human beings, for instance. Hammy as that scene of a guy questioning Green Lantern (and, really, comics in general and the comics community) about inclusivity and representation, about involvement, it was kinda past due by the time it came.

Comics are full of hip on the move folks, though, so sometimes you get a comic shooting past the curve to actually be in their time, while other media are lagging.

You read Kirby's Mister Miracle, and Barda is unlike any woman in the DCU at that point. She's actually got depth and two feet she can stand on without swooning to death and no one was going to spank her for getting up in their business, you know? Her body language is unlike at other woman of that era in the DCU, even other superhuman women.

Batman and Nightwing have both been victims of rape, now, and were not for a second treated as weaker or lesser for it (even if some folks haaaaaate Damian, but whatev').

Arsenal, during Grayson's Titans run, was able to successfully clarify the difference between genetics and culture, so that it becomes clear that he is Dine, he thinks in Dine, counts in Dine, that's who he is. And she did it without having him suddenly sport a medicine wheel tattoo on his chest and half a dozen feathers poking out of his hair while he gained newly-discovered ancient NDN majikz.

Dwayne McDuffie got one great moment out of the JLA team he was sort of backed into, when it's clarified in dialogue how damn powerful that JLA team is that because it's full of women and nonwhite characters no one's going to care anyway; where's Superman and Flash?

What moments/comics have you read where you stop and kinda go, "It was time, but I'm surprised this comic went there when others weren't"?

Apathy Lad
02-25-2011, 07:55 PM
Sometimes I have to acknowledge that comic companies are trying their best to showcase diversity in a medium populated by middle aged heterosexual white guys who want to continue reading about middle aged heterosexual white guys, but then they go and do what they did to Ice in Generation Lost and kill every single non-white hero they have.

benicio127
02-25-2011, 08:10 PM
I was glad they went there with Mia Dearden and her HIV positivity. I mean, it's sad and her background is one that can sometimes be too common with female characters (sexual assault, rape survivor) and the concern is that it's another female character being presented as a victim. But she's defied that stereotype. She's one of my favourite characters and it really started off with a "Hey, so there's this character who's HIV positive" comment to me in which I was like "oh wow, I'd like to learn more!" And I proceeded to buy everything I could with her in it after reading Quiver and Moving Targets. And of course, Mia is so much more than her HIV status. And Krul's hinted he'll be putting her on Teen Titans sooooooon, so I can't wait!

I'd like to see more racial diversity, interracial couples (ie. Solstice and Cyborg or Grace&Anissa <3) and a more prominent gay male couple in DC. I would also like to see DC add its first trans* character (and not as a trope to be saved).

*man or woman

Theozilla
02-25-2011, 08:16 PM
I'd like to see more racial diversity, interracial couples (ie. Solstice and Cyborg or Grace&Anissa <3) and a more prominent gay male couple in DC. I would also like to see DC add its first trans* character (and not as a trope to be saved).

*man or woman

Robinson's planning on having Starman and Tasmanian Devil be a couple.

Cyborg is getting the spotlight in Flashpoint and Andy Kubert's design looks awesome.

I do not know if this counts for you but Danny the Street from Doom Patrol is a transvestite...:tongue:

benicio127
02-25-2011, 08:34 PM
Robinson's planning on having Starman and Tasmanian Devil be a couple.

Cyborg is getting the spotlight in Flashpoint and Andy Kubert's design looks awesome.

I do not know if this counts for you but Danny the Street from Doom Patrol is a transvestite...:tongue:

Oh yeah, I saw the stuff about Tasmanian Devil! (and also what had initially happened with him in C4J, that was absolutely horrible) But I think I mean with even more prominence than those two -- look at the prominence Batwoman has been given as a positive gay hero/role model.
And I also saw Vic is getting a boost with Flashpoint, so that's awesome to see he'll be getting a more prominent role, because Vic has always been cool and I don't think ever gets enough love.

I actually meant a trans* character as being someone who is not the gender they were assigned at birth. (ie. a person born with male genitalia who identifies as a woman, etc.) The most prominent trans* character I can think of up the top of my head in comics is Wanda Mann, from The Sandman, who is a trans woman.

T Hedge Coke
02-25-2011, 08:41 PM
I actually meant a trans* character as being someone who is not the gender they were assigned at birth. (ie. a person born with male genitalia who identifies as a woman, etc.) The most prominent trans* character I can think of up the top of my head in comics is Wanda Mann, from The Sandman, who is a trans woman.

Shade's gone there. The Invisibles. Doom Patrol's been there three or for times. At least the DP characters can have comebacks, which is rare or utterly unlikely with different Sandman characters, and all three series featured transgendered primary characters.