WHy is Fantomex allowed to be an X-man???..He is not a mutant.

[RolandJP]

Fantomex is the name of a superhero associated with the X-Men. Fantomex first appeared in New X-Men #128 (August, 2002) and was created by Grant Morrison and Igor Kordey.



Fantomex was created by the Weapon Plus Program to serve as a super-sentinel against Earth's mutant population. . Like the rest of his people, he was born and raised in The World, a man-made environment designed to create super-sentinels. Although his nationality is technically British, as The World was located in England, Fantomex was not raised in British culture. He adopted a French sense of identity and persona out of a fascination with the French language, particularly because of its usefulness for cursing and distracting people

Fantomex contains multiple brains for parallel and independent thinking as well as nano-active blood; the nanites in his brain prohibit him from believing in anything greater than himself, such as gods or any supernatural beings LOL

Fantomex is unable to believe in THOR, Hercules, Ares, Storm, etc. The Asgard. Olympians. etc. He is a liability, but he is allowed to remain on the team. Altho he is even more soulless than X-23.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Xmen143.jpg





This dude is F***ed up










Why is such a faker allowed to be on an X-team. He's not a Mutant. And he's been eying Emma's wardrobe.


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[teddyeatsyourface]

He's hired help. Same as deadpool.

[Jake V]

They're rewarding him for killing Darkstar.

[RolandJP]

He's hired help. Same as deadpool.

I always joked about the current state of the x-men, wondering when they would have a sentinel on the team. And I hadnt realized they have two on the team already. Fantomess is a super-sentinel

Scott might as well call Shaw, Leland and the boys to join.

[darknessatnoon]

I do not consider him one.

[stk]

Isn't the X-Men about inclusiveness? Doesn't excluding Fantomex based on the fact he was born different from the others on the team kind of negate the whole point of the X-Men in the first place?

From a meta standpoint, yeah, I expect to read about a team of mutants when I pick up an X-comic. But within the world of the comics, how does this kind of "reverse racism" or whatever you'd want to call it make any sense to the characters? "No, buddy. See that sign? Mutants only." Doesn't that kind of attitude help perpetuate the bigoted status quo they are supposedly fighting against?


All that said, I'm not a huge Fantomex fan and if he were to disappear into a black hole, I would not be sad.

[T Hedge Coke]

The best example of inclusivity and integrated functionality the X-Men ever demonstrated was the team that took down Magneto in Planet X. Mutants, humans, even machine people got in on the action. Charlie there helped the X-Men live their dream, plus he's faux French. Of course they'd want him back.

[Flinkman]

Longshot wasn't a mutant, Warlock isn't either. Jubilee is now a vampire and Dani's depowered, but they're still hanging out on Utopia. Carol Danvers, while never an official X-Man, hung around for awhile. As did Madelyne Pryor.

Part of the X-Men's whole schtick has always been tolerance.

[Skaddix]

Are u allowed to be an X-men and not believe in Hope Summers and the Pheonix? Fantomex needs to keep his sacreligious tendencies to himself or Hope's cult and Scott will have to put him out to pasture.

[darknessatnoon]

Are u allowed to be an X-men and not believe in Hope Summers and the Pheonix? Fantomex needs to keep his sacreligious tendencies to himself or Hope's cult and Scott will have to put him out to pasture.

You got it, Skaddix.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Juggernaut and Hepzibah can also be added to the list of non-mutants. I don't think Omega Sentinel is a mutant, either. Fiz was also not a human-based mutant.

[Psylocke1902]

Geez, idk, wud u want a uber sentinnel sorta on ur side or floating around as free agent who could be hired 2 decimate u ?

[wafflez]

Haven't Cloak and Dagger worked with the X-Men? They're not mutants either.
And anyways, I don't really think of Fantomex as an official member, he's more of an associate of the X-Men.

[Likewater]

Isn't he a paid merc?

after al Fantomx dose not believe in the dream, dose not need the security, does not care for guidance.

The whole 'inclusion' dosen't make sense either, all X-men are assumed mutants by the public anyway. Isn't juggernaut often mistaken as a mutant by the public in Marvel, hell, he often gets retconned into one in many works.

So why does fantomx even care?

[DevilishRogue]

Well Wade or Warlock aren't mutants so its too late to discriminate. I'm not pro or anti Fantomex. Just pointing that out.

[Skaddix]

Haven't Cloak and Dagger worked with the X-Men? They're not mutants either.
And anyways, I don't really think of Fantomex as an official member, he's more of an associate of the X-Men.

Exactly he is a second class citizen. His job was to chauffeur Ms. Frost and Kitty. He has to work for his keep while all the non x-men mutants get to sit around and enjoy the communist system.

[DevilishRogue]

Isn't he a paid merc?

after al Fantomx dose not believe in the dream, dose not need the security, does not care for guidance.

The whole 'inclusion' dosen't make sense either, all X-men are assumed mutants by the public anyway. Isn't juggernaut often mistaken as a mutant by the public in Marvel, hell, he often gets retconned into one in many works.

So why does fantomx even care?

One word: Buttfloss.

[Skaddix]

Well Wade or Warlock aren't mutants so its too late to discriminate. I'm not pro or anti Fantomex. Just pointing that out.

Wade is a hired gun not a real x-men and Warlock is tech support that comes as a package deal with cypher.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Geez, idk, wud u want a uber sentinnel sorta on ur side or floating around as free agent who could be hired 2 decimate u ?

You mean like...her?

http://www.daveshouseofwaywardmen.com/images/characters/omega_sentinel.jpg


Wade is a hired gun not a real x-men and Warlock is tech support that comes as a package deal with cypher.

Wade's very clearly not in it for the money.

And if you accuse him of not being a real X-Man, he has a Marvel Girl outfit that says differently.

[Likewater]

One word: Buttfloss.


He is trying to muscle in on warrens action?

He is either very brave, or very crazy.

[Skaddix]

You mean like...her?

http://www.daveshouseofwaywardmen.com/images/characters/omega_sentinel.jpg



Wade's very clearly not in it for the money.

And if you accuse him of not being a real X-Man, he has a Marvel Girl outfit that says differently.

Ah yes Omega Sentinel lived up to her name more effective then an entire army.

Wade did not cash the checks but he does not live on Utopia and is not on a non-official team that does not even have tacit Summers support.

[DevilishRogue]

He is trying to muscle in on warrens action?

He is either very brave, or very crazy.

He ogled her body while she was unconscious. I don't think Warren is aware of it.


Wade is a hired gun not a real x-men and Warlock is tech support that comes as a package deal with cypher.

Yes but they dont know that.

[RolandJP]

Just playing the devil's advocate. I would love to see more non-mutant interaction with the X-men. Yes, those who know me, know where i am going with this: evil laughter:

[The Lucky One]

Juggernaut and Hepzibah can also be added to the list of non-mutants. I don't think Omega Sentinel is a mutant, either. Fiz was also not a human-based mutant.

All true. Neither was Mimic. And they tried to recruit Spider-Man back in the '60s. Having non-mutant X-Men is not exactly a new concept.

-D

[fortyseven]

According to the list, Fantomex is not an X-Man.

[Filthy Mutie]

Fantomex is a member of X-Force and a vagrant, but not an X-Man. However, he is more effective and helpful than most proper X-Men.

[fod_xp]

Fantomex is not a mutant in the purely "biological" sense of the word.

However, Morrison had Fantomex explain that while he was a bleeding-edge sentinel-organic (possibly a cyborg). Dr. Sublime [a part of the Sublime bacteria colony] made a "Corny" superhero theme Super Sentinel team to kill Mutants int he coming Human/Mutant war for existence. Fantomex was created too smart for his own good and thus rebelled against his programming and his purpose.

He even calls himself (his tone dripping in irony) a mutant sentinel because of his unexpected self autonomy. So, that could be an "in continuity" excuse, but the real reason is Marvel and the X-Franchise are dying, and Marvel precieves that bringing back things in Morrison's run will bring back readers, or at least slow down the number of readers dropping the books.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Haven't recent Uncanny X-Men stories and Uncanny X-Force both referred to him as a mutant/Sentinal hybrid?

From Fraptions, narration boxes, recap pages, everything...

[Cayman]

It's because he is amazing.

[Regino]

He's really Xorn who is really Magneto.

[fod_xp]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;12695372']Haven't recent Uncanny X-Men stories and Uncanny X-Force both referred to him as a mutant/Sentinal hybrid?

From Fraptions, narration boxes, recap pages, everything...

Yes, and Chuck Austen retconned Ernst as a rehabilitated Cassandra Nova Xavier from Morrison's New X-Men to imprisoned in the X-Mansion basement in New X-Men issues #155 and #156. Both of these issues were just segue issues written by Chuck Austen at the behest of Marvel Editorial in order to better transition back to the costumes and the boring ass X-Men=Superheroes in body condoms status quo.

[Prodigy55]

yeah but omega sentinel isn't white

[Dreighton]

Haven't Cloak and Dagger worked with the X-Men? They're not mutants either

Actually, Cloak and Dagger are Mutants. From Marvel Universe http://marvel.com/universe/Cloak :

Cloak & Dagger befriended the super-powered preteens Power Pack and twice aided the New Mutants, junior trainees of the X-Men. The duo eventually learned they were mutants themselves, and that Marshall's drug had awakened their latent powers.

[fortyseven]

Actually, Cloak and Dagger are Mutants. From Marvel Universe http://marvel.com/universe/Cloak :

Cloak & Dagger befriended the super-powered preteens Power Pack and twice aided the New Mutants, junior trainees of the X-Men. The duo eventually learned they were mutants themselves, and that Marshall's drug had awakened their latent powers.

Wasn't that more recently retconned though?

[Faded]

He's part of X-Force, which only has two mutants on the team anyway.

[mimic_616]

Isn't the X-Men about inclusiveness? Doesn't excluding Fantomex based on the fact he was born different from the others on the team kind of negate the whole point of the X-Men in the first place?


Exactly. Well said.

[Goggindowner]

Actually, from what I remember, Fantomex did in fact live in the world, which was a location that had time moving at insanely fast rates, where generations would live and die in a matter of months or years (I forget exactly). Fantomex, and the other Weapon Plus subjects, where forced mutations from this gene pool. So technically, he is a mutant.

[RolandJP]

Actually, from what I remember, Fantomex did in fact live in the world, which was a location that had time moving at insanely fast rates, where generations would live and die in a matter of months or years (I forget exactly). Fantomex, and the other Weapon Plus subjects, where forced mutations from this gene pool. So technically, he is a mutant.


Like Spider-man (by Bug), Black Panther (by herb) or Luke Cage (By jail juice)who were also genetically mutated??

[Goggindowner]

Like Spider-man (by Bug), Black Panther (by herb) or Luke Cage (By jail juice)who were also genetically mutated??

Well, from a certain point of view. However, Fantomex is more of an actual evolutionary mutant model.

[RolandJP]

Well, from a certain point of view. However, Fantomex is more of an actual evolutionary mutant model.

So as long as the mutation is evolutionary. Mentally. I gather from your preference. That means Longshot. Juggernaut. Magneto who was re-powered/re-mutated by science. Quicksilver who was re-powered by Terigenenenen mists or whatever. And X-23, Xavier who was cloned. ALL would be gone.

Yikes.

[RolandJP]

Well, from a certain point of view. However, Fantomex is more of an actual evolutionary mutant model.

Also it wasn't actual evolution. It was an evolutionary construct. Actual Evolution requires unforeseen incalculable elements/Variables. Morrison assumes this is TIME. Which is why he supposed an infinite creation cycle for the birthing matrix for Fantomex.

The moment it was designed...that variable was removed. Such as, man can not make sugar. We can make a substitute or a variable of natural occurring sugar. But to assume that one simply has to copy factors in order to get the same results as those in nature. Is mathematically and logically incorrect. That is why in Mathematics there is a X. to guesstimate or quantify The unknown.

The X-men are an X. Grant Morrison has put his faith in Science. Altho I find it humorous that he would abhor the word "FAITH" The fact remains he has--PSYCHOLOGICALLY speaking.

Fantomex is Morrison's Male surrogate EGO. Just as, Emma Frost is his Female Surrogate. I bet he doesn't see the connection. They are linked--Hence why they both wear white clothing. Which denotes something else going on in his mind. Perhaps Purity.

I really should save this for my X-psychological thread.

[Seresecros]

I propose that Fantomex is killed off immediately.

[Dreighton]

Wasn't that more recently retconned though?

Well, that one I wouldn't know, as I don't buy much anymore, and it would be very easy to retcon that in a book I'm not reading.

But...if I use my way back machine in my head with out reading the comics as I remember (which granted, isn't always correct) they were Mutants to start off with, Then they weren't as they got their powers from the Street Drugs, then they were mutants again, with the Drugs activating their mutant abilities.

[Dreighton]

Well, from a certain point of view. However, Fantomex is more of an actual evolutionary mutant model.

which reminds me of a question from a long time ago, in the vagueness of "what is a mutant" and that is are the creations of the High Evolutionary mutants?

[Goggindowner]

Also it wasn't actual evolution. It was an evolutionary construct. Actual Evolution requires unforeseen incalculable elements/Variables. Morrison assumes this is TIME. Which is why he supposed an infinite creation cycle for the birthing matrix for Fantomex.

The moment it was designed...that variable was removed. Such as, man can not make sugar. We can make a substitute or a variable of natural occurring sugar. But to assume that one simply has to copy factors in order to get the same results as those in nature. Is mathematically and logically incorrect. That is why in Mathematics there is a X. to guesstimate or quantify The unknown.

The X-men are an X. Grant Morrison has put his faith in Science. Altho I find it humorous that he would abhor the word "FAITH" The fact remains he has--PSYCHOLOGICALLY speaking.

Fantomex is Morrison's Male surrogate EGO. Just as, Emma Frost is his Female Surrogate. I bet he doesn't see the connection. They are linked--Hence why they both wear white clothing. Which denotes something else going on in his mind. Perhaps Purity.

I really should save this for my X-psychological thread.

You're right!!! Splenda should join X-Force, too!!!:biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

Listen Roland,

no one wants T'Challa on the X-Men except you. T'Challa doesn't want to be on the X-Men. He has no motivation to be there (though currently he has no motivation at all). He doesn't even like mutants. He only proposed to Storm after M-Day, when he could be sure that his children wouldn't have the X-Gene.

[wafflez]

Wasn't that more recently retconned though?

Yes, in the Cloak and Dagger one-shot that came out not too long ago. Dr. Nemesis confirmed that Dagger isn't a mutant.

[Jackraow21]

In that latest issue of Uncanny X-Force he said that he was a mutant. Artificially evolved with nano-Sentinels, of course. But he does say that he was a mutant. At least I seem to remember him saying that...

[CMBMOOL]

Can Marvel be sued for Copyright laws now ?

Because they need to change the costume to not make it look like GI Joe Storm Shadow and give him a better background, in order to avoid a lawsuit. :frown:

[CMBMOOL]

Listen Roland,

no one wants T'Challa on the X-Men except you. T'Challa doesn't want to be on the X-Men. He has no motivation to be there (though currently he has no motivation at all). He doesn't even like mutants. He only proposed to Storm after M-Day, when he could be sure that his children wouldn't have the X-Gene.

But Storm still does have the X-gene and unless he has some powerful power dampers devices on her, their kids will carry the X-gene as well. :frown:

[Goggindowner]

But Storm still does have the X-gene and unless he has some powerful power dampers devices on her, their kids will carry the X-gene as well. :frown:

Yes but......"No more mutants." The only active mutants were shielded by Doctor Strange. Scarlett Witch made the x-gene disappear from the fabric of space and time.

Which I think has been all but negated at this point, so I expect a divorce of the century cross-over soon.

[RolandJP]

Listen Roland,

no one wants T'Challa on the X-Men except you. T'Challa doesn't want to be on the X-Men. He has no motivation to be there (though currently he has no motivation at all). He doesn't even like mutants. He only proposed to Storm after M-Day, when he could be sure that his children wouldn't have the X-Gene.

TOO late. :tongue:

Azari

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[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Listen Roland,

no one wants T'Challa on the X-Men except you. T'Challa doesn't want to be on the X-Men. He has no motivation to be there (though currently he has no motivation at all). He doesn't even like mutants. He only proposed to Storm after M-Day, when he could be sure that his children wouldn't have the X-Gene.

This just might be the best jab ever directed at the pairing.

[RolandJP]

This just might be the best jab ever directed at the pairing.

:yawn: Not really. T'challa rescued Storm from House of M. It is my belief that she would have been Kitty Bulleted, NightCrawlered or Beasted.

If some had their way she would be X-farced.

[Aguja]

Listen Roland,

no one wants T'Challa on the X-Men except you. T'Challa doesn't want to be on the X-Men. He has no motivation to be there (though currently he has no motivation at all). He doesn't even like mutants. He only proposed to Storm after M-Day, when he could be sure that his children wouldn't have the X-Gene.

Yeah I don't get it either. I mean it's pretty canon that Wakandans are some of the most prejudiced people in the MU. So I really can't see them liking their 'king' working with the X-Men. Does Wakanda even have mutants? Or did them 'cure' them all?

As for Fantomex. He is allowed because he is good at what he does and the X-Men currently have need of his services.

[Justin Slotman]

Can Marvel be sued for Copyright laws now ?

Because they need to change the costume to not make it look like GI Joe Storm Shadow and give him a better background, in order to avoid a lawsuit. :frown:

I always think he looks like Firefly myself.

[RolandJP]

Yeah I don't get it either. I mean it's pretty canon that Wakandans are some of the most prejudiced people in the MU. So I really can't see them liking their 'king' working with the X-Men. Does Wakanda even have mutants? Or did them 'cure' them all?

Why does Namor and the Atlanteans get a pass. He straight up tried to kill the X-men. And During Atlantis attacks they tried to take over the world. Yet WAKANDA gets the label of prejudiced douches. Last I read they didnt try to take over the world. And no Mutants live down there. At least Storm, Gentile represent Mutant tolerance in Wakanda. DOUBLE STANDARD

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[Jake V]

I guess the X-Men would rather recieve help from whichever culture was the least xenophobic.

[Aguja]

Why does Namor and the Atlanteans get a pass. He straight up tried to kill the X-men. And During Atlantis attacks they tried to take over the world. Yet WAKANDA gets the label of prejudiced douches. Last I read they didnt try to take over the world. And no Mutants live down there. At least Storm, Gentile represent Mutant tolerance in Wakanda. DOUBLE STANDARD



Stop deflecting. You brought T'Challa and Wakanda into this. So don't bring up Atlantis to change the subject I wasn't even talking about them. And you might want to remove Gentle from your example since his own Wakandan mother kicked him out and T'Challa sentenced him to death lol. So if Wakandans won't even except a half Wakanda teenage mutant you think they will accept non Wakandan mutants?

And isn't Wakanda's xenophobia something it's die hard fans love?

[CMBMOOL]

Makes me wonder just how the people of Wakanda tend to tolerate Storm's pressences in their land, given their attitude towards outsiders ? :frown:

[Kieran_Frost]

It's because he is amazing.
THERE IT IS!!! :biggrin:

I really enjoyed Fantomex in the first arc of Uncanny X-force... but that last issue! WOW!!! It instantly catapulted him into my "Top 25" favourite Marvel characters EVER. I was really moved when Spiderlocke killed his "mother". FANTOMEX IS AMAZING!!!! And I need to catch-up on my Grant Morrison's New X-men (I bought the second "Ultimate" TPB... LOVE that series!) to increase my Fantomex love!!!

P.S. love your avatar! Namora is sooooo awesome!!! :smile:

[iamjason]

X-men needs badass like Fantomex to shoot baby in the head
he's that awesome!

[Rasputin9977]

You don't have to be a mutant to be an XMan. Mimic, Cap Britain, Longshot, Katie Power, several of the Muir Island era XMen etc.

[fortyseven]

You don't have to be a mutant to be an XMan. Mimic, Cap Britain, Longshot, Katie Power, several of the Muir Island era XMen etc.

None of those characters are X-Men.

[Valeria Kementari]

Satellite X-Teams as KNOWN for having non mutants on their teams, from Shatterstar to Cerize there have been several X-amples of this. HE is on X-Force, he is not an X-Man.

And there have been non mutant X-Men before, Longshot, Moira McTaggert, Sharon Friedlander, Mimic, and others throughout the X-History, so it wouldn't be new even if he were. They do preach "coexistence" with other races after all

[Munkiman]

Deadpool isn't a mutant either, and he's on X-Force.

And I think Fantomex is technically considered a mutant. He was created through artificial evolution in the World, IIRC, so he's an artificial mutant at least. I know E.V.A., his external nervous system, is considered his "mutation" - though maybe he was lying about that, since he called her his mutation when he was pretending to be a normal mutant in his initial NXM arc.

[Valeria Kementari]

I propose that Fantomex is killed off immediately.

I agree to that, also let's up the stakes and erase what is left of Morrison's run altogether

[Ben D]

Because to not let non mutants join the x-men would be xenophobic. What do the x-men stand against?

Xenophobia of any kind

[Skaddix]

Because to not let non mutants join the x-men would be xenophobic. What do the x-men stand against?

Xenophobia of any kind

Hell no Mags was right, Mutant superiority its the truth.

[Ben D]

Hell no Mags was right, Mutant superiority its the truth.

Yep he was.

That's why he shouldn't be allowed on the x-men :cool:

[Cyke]

Haven't Cloak and Dagger worked with the X-Men? They're not mutants either.

That's semi-false I think, in that they joined the X-Men thinking they *were* mutants. Once it was proven that they weren't traditional mutants, they left the team.

However, they still could have stayed. I agree with you and everyone else here that non-mutants can and have joined the X-Men. I just believe that Cloak and Dagger aren't good examples of the X-Men's inclusion is all.


None of those characters are X-Men.

Longshot was an X-Man back in the 80s, and came back for various stints with the team.

Speaking of the 80s, I'm surprised no one mentioned Tom Corsi and Sharon Friedlander. While they were rarely with the team in action, they were still part of the teaching staff. For the most part, to be a teacher you'd have to be an X-Man, though while there's certainly an exception for Corsi and Friedlander, it still denotes a rather large amount of inclusion on the X-Men's part.

[fortyseven]

Speaking of the 80s, I'm surprised no one mentioned Tom Corsi and Sharon Friedlander. While they were rarely with the team in action, they were still part of the teaching staff. For the most part, to be a teacher you'd have to be an X-Man, though while there's certainly an exception for Corsi and Friedlander, it still denotes a rather large amount of inclusion on the X-Men's part.

I'll give you Longshot.
But you don't need to be an X-Man to teach at the school. Dani, Karma and Magma weren't X-Men when they taught.

[Valeria Kementari]

I'll give you Longshot.
But you don't need to be an X-Man to teach at the school. Dani, Karma and Magma weren't X-Men when they taught.

Sharon was an X-Man during the Muir Island debacle back in UX 254

[Rasputin9977]

None of those characters are X-Men.
Sure they are. Aside from Cap, they have all been X-Men in the past.

[fortyseven]

Sure they are. Aside from Cap, they have all been X-Men in the past.

Yuck. Not real X-Men.

[Ben D]

Yuck. Not real X-Men.

Namor is not a real x-man. The others are though

[fortyseven]

Namor is not a real x-man. The others are though

You're right, Namor is not a real X-Man. At least not yet.
The others are not.

[Cyke]

I'll give you Longshot.
But you don't need to be an X-Man to teach at the school. Dani, Karma and Magma weren't X-Men when they taught.

Like I said, they're an exception in that they're teaching staff who aren't X-Men. But the fact that they're humans teaching mutants at a mutant school says something about the team's willingness to accept non-mutants into their world.

[Jason Abbadon]

Jeez! "Fantomex is not a mutant! "
"He-should-not be-allowed-to-join-the-all-mutants-totally-racist-gang!"

Give me a break- turn that noise around and imagine Cap saying "The Avengers dont accept mutants as members" and you'd see just how wildly racist the whole "mutants only" premise of the X-men has become.

The biggest failing of X-Writers is not mandatng a mixed team of X-Men: with both mutants and humans working together.
You know...that whole silly "Xavier's Dream" thing...which, ironicly, has never been acted upon by Charles himself.

Small wonder they're all feared and hated- a bunch of super-powered people, wildly wealthy, living on their own private island compound, acting as an armed militia and associating with known terrorists.

Yeah...I can see the anti-mutant groups having an easy time recruiting new members with an image like that!

[Maestro]

Real answer: Fantomex debuted in the pages of X-Men so he belongs to them.

[darknessatnoon]

Jeez! "Fantomex is not a mutant! "
"He-should-not be-allowed-to-join-the-all-mutants-totally-racist-gang!"

Give me a break- turn that noise around and imagine Cap saying "The Avengers dont accept mutants as members" and you'd see just how wildly racist the whole "mutants only" premise of the X-men has become.

The biggest failing of X-Writers is not mandatng a mixed team of X-Men: with both mutants and humans working together.
You know...that whole silly "Xavier's Dream" thing...which, ironicly, has never been acted upon by Charles himself.

Small wonder they're all feared and hated- a bunch of super-powered people, wildly wealthy, living on their own private island compound, acting as an armed militia and associating with known terrorists.

Yeah...I can see the anti-mutant groups having an easy time recruiting new members with an image like that!

The X-Men no longer operate according to Xavier's unrealistic dream, and that happened 7 years ago (http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Dreams-End-Scott-Lobdell/dp/078511551X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1298807060&sr=8-1).

[Magneto X]

He even calls himself (his tone dripping in irony) a mutant sentinel because of his unexpected self autonomy.

Wasn't something similar said of Warlock and Longshot?

[fortyseven]

Like I said, they're an exception in that they're teaching staff who aren't X-Men. But the fact that they're humans teaching mutants at a mutant school says something about the team's willingness to accept non-mutants into their world.

Ah sorry. I misread your other post.

[Psychic Illusion]

He's bloody awesome thats why. And like I siad before, he is gonna be major and already on the B-List. Thank you Fraction for giving him the push,

[Regino]

Fantomex is the most genius character ever. Marvel realized that they ruined Gambit w/ all the sob-sob Rogue nonsense, so they created a character exactly the same. Rather than making him into a wuss, they gave him guns to show how super-tough he is. Now, everyone loves him like they used to love Gambit.

[Kieran_Frost]

Fantomex is the most genius character ever. Marvel realized that they ruined Gambit w/ all the sob-sob Rogue nonsense, so they created a character exactly the same. Rather than making him into a wuss, they gave him guns to show how super-tough he is. Now, everyone loves him like they used to love Gambit.
WOW!!! You know what... that is SO TRUE!!! So many things I used to love about Gambit are similar in why I instantly started to like Fantomex! GOOD CALL!!! Fantomex IS the "new" Gambit!
:cool:

P.S. I still appreciate Carey doing his best to "undo" all the ruinous damage that poor Gambit's character has suffered!

[Regino]

WOW!!! You know what... that is SO TRUE!!! So many things I used to love about Gambit are similar in why I instantly started to like Fantomex! GOOD CALL!!! Fantomex IS the "new" Gambit!
:cool:

P.S. I still appreciate Carey doing his best to "undo" all the ruinous damage that poor Gambit's character has suffered!

There is nothing wrong w/ this. I used to think Gambit was great and now he is a joke. At least they did something right. It was less transparent than having bunch of Wolverine clones and kids.

[Jason Abbadon]

The X-Men no longer operate according to Xavier's unrealistic dream, and that happened 7 years ago (http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Dreams-End-Scott-Lobdell/dp/078511551X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1298807060&sr=8-1).

That was before they decided to be san fransisco's heroes and before Scott got that pretty medal and Steve's glowing approval.
If they're not hiding in that school, they should just go with the superhero thing and admit anyone qualified to be a hero- genes aside.

[Seresecros]

I am going to kill off Fantomex within the next ten years.

[Filip]

I am going to kill off Fantomex within the next ten years.

Is he going to be alive within the next ten years? Judging by the X-events, someone's got to bite a bullet every year, just so the loss can be 'meaningful'. Why not now, Seresecros??

[Seresecros]

Is he going to be alive within the next ten years? Judging by the X-events, someone's got to bite a bullet every year, just so the loss can be 'meaningful'. Why not now, Seresecros??

First I have to do acclaimed work in an anthology series. Then I get a Hulk one-shot. Then I get to pitch an Iceman miniseries. Then an ongoing title. Then Fantomex dies.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

This thread sounds like more hate than anything if we start questioning why Fantomex is a X-man which he really isn't then we start questioning Scott and Logan's judgement to keep him around.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

He's part of X-Force, which only has two mutants on the team anyway.

Um wait Warren, Logan, Betsy thats three.

[Filip]

First I have to do acclaimed work in an anthology series. Then I get a Hulk one-shot. Then I get to pitch an Iceman miniseries. Then an ongoing title. Then Fantomex dies.

You're telling me Marvel hasn't yet optioned rights for Spanish/Welsh cartoon to release it in TPB?

I wish you well on your Marvel journey, but just don't compromise when the industry sucks you in. Stay true to yourself and kill the faux French.

[Jason Abbadon]

Um wait Warren, Logan, Betsy thats three.
Betsy' more of a half-alien than a Mutant....but in that asian body, who knows? Her mutation, like most of the women in Marvel, seems to be a complete lack of modesty.