Official Ultimate Fighter thread.

[Royal]

Don't mind this thread right now. I'm posting this so I don't forget to do it.

Season Premier is Jan 17. Here (http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/index.jhtml?seriesID=14176&refID=ultimatefighter#) is some information. Feel free to ask questions. :)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yep....I'm gonna watch this after RAW on Mondays. I'm happy to see the UFC get a prime cable spot. With the USA Network becoming a player In the RAW sweepstakes now....UFC could get the Spike TV Monday Night spot down the road.

[vertigo_phreeze]

just making sure i dont lose this thread. i cant wait to check this show out.

[i_mmmchocolate]

Yay!!

I can't wait to check out this on January 17th. The premise sounds great AND it's not on Pay-Per-View which is a definite plus.

Here's hoping it's just as good as how they describe.

I *wish* they had a mini bio of all the fighters participating.

[FOX]

Yeah I hope everyone checks this out...

I think MMA could use some good exposure, most people think that the UFC is like the toughman competitions.

[Taltos]

UFC....I watched it once and i was dissapointed. I was expecting something alot more raw. In my mind i saw it as quickpaced wrestling with punching, kicking, and biting. I think i'll stick with RAW and the occasional Smackdown, plus some wrestling when i can get it.

Sidenote: I missed the olympic wrestling because I was camping. :(

[kmeyers]

UFC....I watched it once and i was dissapointed. I was expecting something alot more raw. In my mind i saw it as quickpaced wrestling with punching, kicking, and biting.

biting? were you sure this was UFC? Biting's never been allowed in UFC.

[Royal]

UFC....I watched it once and i was dissapointed. I was expecting something alot more raw. In my mind i saw it as quickpaced wrestling with punching, kicking, and biting.

Not really. UFC was based on "The Gracie Challenge". In fact, the first UFC cards were really PPV infomercials selling people the brilliance of Brazillian Jiu-jitsu.

It resembles pankration matches now days. It isn't about who's style is the best anymore but who builds off their base & trains harder. Many wrestlers have made the change to MMA gracefully. Even Roulon Gurner. He beat a judoka & famed Mixed Martial Artist just last week.

[Royal]

MIDDLEWEIGHT

Kenny Florian (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=8021) (Boston BJJ)
Alex Karalexis (South Shore Sportfight)
Josh Koschek (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=9418) (AKA)
Chris Leben (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=6258) (Quest)
Nate Quarry (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2383) (Quest)
Diego Sanchez (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=4824) (Jackson's Submission Wrestling)
Chris Sanford (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2656) (Gracie Academy: Cesar School)
Mike Swick (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5199) (AKA)

LIGHT-HEAVY

Stephan Bonner (Gracie Academy: Carlson School)
Forrest Griffin (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=3526) (Hard Core)
Sam Hoger (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=6445) (Miletich Fight System)
Josh Raferty (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2682) (Meat Truck Inc.)
Bobby Southworth (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=551) (AKA)
Lowden Kincaid
Alex Schoenauer
Jason Thacker

Thanks to Tanner Rhoden

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Gonna check this out. The last UFC PPV I watched was 2 years ago with Tito Ortiz losing to Chuck Liddell. Plus It has a timeslot where a lotta young fans will see It. Should be good.

[i_mmmchocolate]

MIDDLEWEIGHT

Kenny Florian (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=8021) (Boston BJJ)
Alex Karalexis (South Shore Sportfight)
Josh Koschek (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=9418) (AKA)
Chris Leben (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=6258) (Quest)
Nate Quarry (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2383) (Quest)
Diego Sanchez (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=4824) (Jackson's Submission Wrestling)
Chris Sanford (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2656) (Gracie Academy: Cesar School)
Mike Swick (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5199) (AKA)

LIGHT-HEAVY

Stephan Bonner (Gracie Academy: Carlson School)
Forrest Griffin (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=3526) (Hard Core)
Sam Hoger (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=6445) (Miletich Fight System)
Josh Raferty (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=2682) (Meat Truck Inc.)
Bobby Southworth (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=551) (AKA)
Lowden Kincaid
Alex Schoenauer
Jason Thacker

Thanks to Tanner Rhoden


Thanks! It's always to get bio info on competitors. That way before the series premiere, I'll have some idea of who each guy is, i.e. background training, and physical stats.

[Agent Wax]

Im beyond excited for this. My friends and I try to get together every UFC PPV, and when we do, its just a good time. From the commercials Im getting a sort of reality show feel from it, does anyone know what the format is going to be like?
Either way im going to tune in.
-WAX-
xxx

[Slappy san]

Don't mind this thread right now. I'm posting this so I don't forget to do it.

Season Premier is Jan 17. Here (http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/index.jhtml?seriesID=14176&refID=ultimatefighter#) is some information. Feel free to ask questions. :)

Agh. I dunno. It's probably going to end up as bad as Tougn Enough and all the reality shows.

[Royal]

Hey all. Greg Kilikas will be interviewing Willa Ford & Josh Raferty on http://prokarateweekly.com/ tomorrow if you're interested.

[Royal]

Agh. I dunno. It's probably going to end up as bad as Tougn Enough and all the reality shows.

I see this as more of a documentary style event. It doesn't matter who wins or loses, they're all winners because they're gonna take what they learned from Randy & Chuck...& apply it to the current fightstyle they're comfortable with. Chris Leben could be out the show the first week, he still be looked at by the pro orginizations.

[Royal]

Opening Sequence (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/video/show_open.wmv)

Thanks to Tanner Rhoden

[i_mmmchocolate]

Opening Sequence (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/video/show_open.wmv)

Thanks to Tanner Rhoden

Is it January 17th yet? : )

That preview kicked ass!

It reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask you. How/Why do fighters get that mushroom look in their ears? Is it excessive punching over a period of time?

[Royal]

Is it January 17th yet? : )

That preview kicked ass!

It reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask you. How/Why do fighters get that mushroom look in their ears? Is it excessive punching over a period of time?

Y'mean "Califlower ears"? It does come from striking. It also comes from excessive grappling & getting out of locks & chokes around the head. Over time, the ears gathers fluid from the excessive damage & if not properly drained, calcifies & hardens into what you see.

[Royal]

The Official site is up.

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/index.php

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i think it's going to suck. i'd rather they just have a tournament, and hasn't 1 of those guys already fought in pride??

[i_mmmchocolate]

i think it's going to suck. i'd rather they just have a tournament, and hasn't 1 of those guys already fought in pride??

I have no idea.

I'll be watching, it's cheaper than paying for PPV.

[Royal]

i think it's going to suck. i'd rather they just have a tournament, and hasn't 1 of those guys already fought in pride??

Only Southworth. During that time, he was pretty green. He got choked by Vitor Belfort. All the rest have fought in either KoTC &/or WEC.

[vertigo_phreeze]

Is it January 17th yet? : )

That preview kicked ass!

agreed, i cant wait.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I have no idea.

I'll be watching, it's cheaper than paying for PPV.


people actually pay for ppv still??

[Sheldon]

Indeed they do....it kinda helps pay the bills for the fighters....

[Royal]

Laimon shows The Kimura (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/training/otm_4.wmv).

[ragnarok_2012]

Cauliflower ears cost about $250 to fix, I believe. When I was studying BJJ the class was given a lengthy lecture as to why we should wear headgear to protect our ears.

[Sadyv]

It is pretty easy to fix, but most high level grapplers don't want to spend the time off from training letting it heal up after its drained, so they just keep wrestling and get the cauliflower.

[Royal]

Mike Coughlin (http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=12219) posts some interesting thoughts.

[Royal]

Spike TV will be post a highlight of Swick/Leben fight from WEC shortly.

http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/index.jhtml?seriesID=14176&refID=ultimatefighter#

[i_mmmchocolate]

It's on tonight on SPIKE TV, people.

[vertigo_phreeze]

keep me posted, i have to work tonite. let me know if its good...will watch tomorrow.

[Royal]

http://www.insidefighting.com/images/photos/mma/banners/ultfight_button.gif

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The 1st epiosde set the stage pretty well. That Jason guy will odds are be bounced outta the contest pretty quick. Guy looks like he just doesn't have It.

Chris Is the drunken fool of the reality shows as usual. Its a staple by now, good reality show , have a moronic guy show up. Where does TV find these people.

That one guy seems nice. The one who coached John from quitting. Knowing the Reality TV Gods he has no shot of winning though.

[Royal]

The 1st epiosde set the stage pretty well. That Jason guy will odds are be bounced outta the contest pretty quick. Guy looks like he just doesn't have It.

Chris Is the drunken fool of the reality shows as usual. Its a staple by now, good reality show , have a moronic guy show up. Where does TV find these people.

That one guy seems nice. The one who coached John from quitting. Knowing the Reality TV Gods he has no shot of winning though.

I get the impression that you think people will be "voted" off. Lay that thought to rest dude. There will be no votes.

Everyone thought BJ Penn & Wanderlei Silva "didn't have it". They're hot commodities in MMA today. These guys are like Transformers. It's more of getting used to the regimen & facilities. most of these guys never have the oppertunity to work out with guys like Sifu Fairtex & Sensei Laimon. It's mostly with friends in an abandoned warehouse in the dead of winter with no heat. That's how much heart they put in the sport. That's how hardcore they are.

I'm kinda sad that Leben is one of Randy's kids. I thought all of Quest were great guys as well as fighters. At least Quarry is holding up that end. I found it funny that Randy pick those two to be in his team & then pick Leben's rival, Swick.

unlike the other guys, Southworth has been there. He's been in the Pro league. He knows how hard & long it takes to get there. Glad he's pushing Thacker. Those dudes are right though, they're aren't going to help you up. You got to do it for yourself.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I get the impression that you think people will be "voted" off. Lay that thought to rest dude. There will be no votes.


No votes ? Thier gonna fight It out ? If so Jason will go faster. He doesn't want to be there and hell...he was picked last. He nearly quit . Plus even he questioned If he was In good enough shape to hang with the others.


I did like the guy saying that they all should eat bananas and drink gatorade. And not drink beer. Part of me was thinking...damn thats the Tank Abbott work out plan right there. Good to see Chris following It.

Ya know the more I think about It...the more I want Chris to win. Guy drinks like hell. Stays up all night and keeps everyone awake. Guys a drunken fool. I so want to see him make It.

[Royal]

No votes ? Thier gonna fight It out ? If so Jason will go faster. He doesn't want to be there and hell...he was picked last. He nearly quit . Plus even he questioned If he was In good enough shape to hang with the others.


I did like the guy saying that they all should eat bananas and drink gatorade. And not drink beer. Part of me was thinking...damn thats the Tank Abbott work out plan right there. Good to see Chris following It.

Ya know the more I think about It...the more I want Chris to win. Guy drinks like hell. Stays up all night and keeps everyone awake. Guys a drunken fool. I so want to see him make It.

Yep. They're gonna fight it out. One fight each division. Fighters chosen by staff.

Again, don't judge a guy by his first day.

Randy is right. You drink that much before training, you're gonna lose most of your potassium & B-12. Bananas & Gatoraide replenishes them. That's why Leben's leg froze up & cramped on him.

I'm pulling for Deigo & Quarry. Gotta show love for comic book folk.

[Royal]

Laimon shows off Jujikatame (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/training/otm_2.wmv) aka Straight Armlock

[Royal]

Bump bump bump

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I enjoyed the show , Royal. I really did . This Is what the UFC needs and It shows these guys as real humans who love what they do. If I was a fighter I'd want to be on Chuck Liddall's team. Guy looks like a bad ass.

[i_mmmchocolate]

I'm pulling for Deigo & Quarry. Gotta show love for comic book folk.

I'm all about Diego making it to the end too. I need to watch the episode again because I don't remember the guys names off the top of my head...yet.

I thought it was a great first episode. I think they put the liquor there as a tease- the guys that didn't drink will definitely be ahead of the game.

I hope they rerun the episodes over the weekends because I won't be able to catch the show when it first airs!

Damn last friggin' semester.

[i_mmmchocolate]

Also,

I liked how the Liddell and Couture were not intimidating them or doing any of that reality scare tactic garbage. What they are doing is actual training. They're taking it seriously and giving the guys good advice/pointers/improvements.

[Royal]

That's one of the cool things about MMA. Everybody can kick each others ass one month & work out together the next. The commeradrie that goes on there is intense. It's to the point where, if a fighter has a problem with a certain aspect, they're not afraid to pick up the phone & call up an opponent & tell him to get his gear & come work out.

[Royal]

Fri, January 21 @ 12:00 AM
Sat, January 22 @ 7:00 PM
Sun, January 23 @ 5:00 PM
Mon, January 24 @ 11:00 PM
Fri, January 28 @ 12:00 AM
Sat, January 29 @ 7:00 PM
Sun, January 30 @ 5:00 PM

[Royal]

Randy Couture is being interviewed by m'man Greg Kilikas at http://www.prokarateweekly.com/ . If you send an email to answer the question of the week, you'll be instantly in the sweepstakes for an autographed portrait of Couture, painted by Brad Utterstrom (http://www.brads-art.com/index.html).

http://www.brads-art.com/couture6x8.jpg

[Royal]

Any predictions on who will be in the first two matchups?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well to the shock of.....no one , Jason was sent packing. To say I was shocked would be an understatement.



I do like Locane. Guys funny as hell. Walking around screwing with the guys acting gay made me laugh my ass off. The one honestly wondered If he was!


Nice show as Chris gets reamed out by Randy for actin like an asshole to everyone. This Is a fun show.

[Royal]

Well to the shock of.....no one , Jason was sent packing. To say I was shocked would be an understatement.



I do like Locane. Guys funny as hell. Walking around screwing with the guys acting gay made me laugh my ass off. The one honestly wondered If he was!


Nice show as Chris gets reamed out by Randy for actin like an asshole to everyone. This Is a fun show.

Yeah. Thacker was pretty much on the block.

I was surprised about Sanford was tossed. The only reason Randy kept Leben was that he's Quest.

I'd definatly pay to see a Leben/Swick rematch.

[Royal]

Quote of the day"

"Y'know? Asperagus? The Green vegtable that makes your piss stink?

[Royal]

This Sunday at midnight, FSN will be showing a UFC special & will be replaying Feb. 4 at 4:00 PM. The fights on the card:

Dave Menne vs. Phil Baroni (AKA WWE's Favorite Match)
Tim Sylvia vs. Ricco Rodriguez
Interpromotional match: Andre Arlovski (UFC) vs. Ian "The Machine" Freeman (Cage Rage)

I urge you all to catch it but don't expect 100% of the game. FSN had been hardline with the UFC in that they want all Stand-Up matches. This means that any semblance of groundwork will not be shown on FSN.

Just letting y'all know. Hope you enjoy.

[Royal]

So...what you all think?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

To bad the funniest guy on the show was taken down. But Lodune just over looked Bobby. He felt he would beat him easy after he dropped nearly 20 pounds In 2 days!

Bobby won and most likely showed Chuck he does have some heart.

[Royal]

It's just me & Super now? Wow!

Imagine doing that for a big event (there have been times like that EX: Ortiz/Cote fight). Bobby's problem & somewhat blessing is that he got too used to fighting in Japan. They allow at least a five pound difference. So being sloppy in weight wasn't a problem with him. The other part is that he's mentally stubborn. He wants to be a fighter, it's just he doesn't want to put the work in to it. He should humbly thank Koschek & Liddell for the help.

Also, the fight showed a bit of what's wrong with Unified rules. Sure Bobby got a sweet 1-2-3 combo going on Lodune & Lodune went down like a sack, but we didn't know if Lodune was KO'd or not because Big John got in the way. We also don't know how well he could have recovered. This especially hurts the fighters with rock hard jaws. If Mark Hunt or Cabbage took a nice combo & fell in a weird angle due to physics, the fight would be called & given to their opponent basicly for throwing a nice combo. You literally have to defy physics to keep the fight going.

[Royal]

Coach Welsh shows how to set up The Jab (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/training/welch_jab.wmv)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's just me & Super now? Wow!

Imagine doing that for a big event (there have been times like that EX: Ortiz/Cote fight). Bobby's problem & somewhat blessing is that he got too used to fighting in Japan. They allow at least a five pound difference. So being sloppy in weight wasn't a problem with him. The other part is that he's mentally stubborn. He wants to be a fighter, it's just he doesn't want to put the work in to it. He should humbly thank Koschek & Liddell for the help.

Also, the fight showed a bit of what's wrong with Unified rules. Sure Bobby got a sweet 1-2-3 combo going on Lodune & Lodune went down like a sack, but we didn't know if Lodune was KO'd or not because Big John got in the way. We also don't know how well he could have recovered. This especially hurts the fighters with rock hard jaws. If Mark Hunt or Cabbage took a nice combo & fell in a weird angle due to physics, the fight would be called & given to their opponent basicly for throwing a nice combo. You literally have to defy physics to keep the fight going.


I think they called It because Lodune was cut open and he went down. I think If he kept going they feared he would get more hurt. I do think Couture was dissapointed In Lodune. The match was his. Bobby was spent and really had to suck It up to make It.

The funniest things I saw was the Couture's group mad because Bobby was happy. Hell If that was me I'd be doing somersaults. Dropping all that wieght In 2 days and then having to go In as an underdog was something.

[Royal]

Nah man. The cut wasn't a burden. If it was, the doc would have called it.

Fight got stopped cause he got downed.

[Royal]

Yes, it's that time again. I was hoping for Leben too.

[Royal]

So no reply about Diego's sweet submission skils?

[Dark Monarch]

So no reply about Diego's sweet submission skils?


That float over into the choke hold was pure poetry!

It seems like The Iceman is a better coach than The Natural.

I mean they have won both fights and all but one challenge.

And what do you think of thier rematch in UFC 52?

[Royal]

That float over into the choke hold was pure poetry!

It seems like The Iceman is a better coach than The Natural.

I mean they have won both fights and all but one challenge.

And what do you think of thier rematch in UFC 52?

If Liddell doesn't learn anything about clinch work, he's gonna repeat himself.

[Dark Monarch]

If Liddell doesn't learn anything about clinch work, he's gonna repeat himself.


I see Couture beating him again. he stood toe to toe with Liddell last time and he is the far better grappler.

[Royal]

From Royal's Numbah 1 Fight Source, Celia McG via Japan:

Bobby kicked Lodune`s ass. He was not going to recover from that combo before Bobby grinded him out on the mat. Lodune was an inflated 202 pounder and had no business being in there with a legitimate LHW, let alone a possible Heavyweight in Bobby. Weight matters, size matters, when it comes to fights. You can literally power through opponent`s guards or move the guard around to hit them in ways you want to hit them. Lodune held off Bobby for a round and that was all he was capable of doing. If he wasn`t out from the combo, he would have been out later on. Either directly from ground and pound or from another standing flurry. Bobby had his number and could hit him at will. Plus Lodune was mentally crippled. The guy lists his laundry list of problems and talks about how bad he has it ALL the time. He`s got a drinking problem. He`s got serious emotional immaturity. Yeah Sanchez has the brain of a dried up vegetable and Leben is a spazzy midget, but at least they`re both MENTALLY in their zone. They eat, drink and think fighting. Lodune was eating, drinking and thinking LODUNE before, during and after the fight. He lost before he got in the ring.

And Jason Thacker? What the hell was THAT??! The guy has no record, no one I`ve talked to has ever heard of him in either my MMA or Kickboxing circles and he used to be on the Canadian`s Gymnastics team? Can you say STUDIO PLANT? I mean is that suppose to be Dana White taking a page out of Vince McMahon`s book, trying to make Canada look bad to pander to America`s lowest common denominator sense of patrotism? Funny how Leben seems much less of an asshole since 'Strange Brew' left. Gee, I wonder if Chris was being fed dialogue? hmmmmmmmmmmm...

Man, that Thacker stunt was just seriously low-class and an insult to every decent Canadian MMA fighter cutting their teeth trying to make a head way in this business. I mean if they wanted a Canadian fighter, why not bring in Ivan Merger? Ooooooh wait. That`s right. Cause he`s classier, more handsome and a better fighter then Sanchez, Quarry and Leben combined. Far be it for Dana to actually let a foreign fighter excel in his promotion.

Just look at Andrei Arlovsky only had to wait over a year to trounce Tim Sylvia and he`ll probably have to wait another year before getting a shot at Mir. If he EVER gets his shot. Let`s not talk about Vitor and Verissimo. Or Genki Sudo. Or Bustamante. Etc, Etc, Etc.

And Dana wonders why PRIDE kicks his ass like they own it.

[Royal]

bumped up for today's episode.

I'll give my thoughts later, but just warning Greg Hatcher right now. I'm not gonna watch myself when I do. I know I usually do it when quoting and stuff, but this is going to come from my heart & my beliefs as a martial artist. I just don't thinking holding back will justify it.

[Royal]

You don't....bring personal things up to hurt someone if you're a fighter. That's something you should NEVER cross. If you have a problem with ffight style, way they care themselves, anything else is fine. You do NOT bring up personal issues. What Southworth did was crossing the fucking line. Drunk or not drunk, he used what he knew in the most poisonous way. Southworth not only crossed the line of honor but he also crossed the line of Bushido as well & deserves to be cut down right where he fucking stands. And Koschek. He's a fucking coach. what image is he presenting to his kids by fucking spraying Leben. It's ok to salt wounds? I hope Leben fucks him up.

[Jamal]

Royal I completely agree, what Southworth said was wrong I don't care how much of an ass Leben had been there are lines you just don't cross. Then spraying the guy with water was just stupid especialy from grown men over 25. What made the whole thing worst was the fact that they didn't own up to it. If your a true warrior and man of honor you own up to everything you do; right or wrong. The fact of the matter is Leben has gotten into these guy's heads; he sometime acted an ass in doing it but it never was with any real malice; the pissing in the bed thing is the only time I saw him take it to far but he own up to it , (Plus Coulture got on him real good for it too ) but the alcohal really showed how much he was in their heads so I can't wait to see how Koschek handles an angered focused Leben. Southworth's lucky that Nat got hurt or he would be getting his ass kicked too.

[Dark Monarch]

Royal I completely agree, what Southworth said was wrong I don't care how much of an ass Leben had been there are lines you just don't cross. Then spraying the guy with water was just stupid especialy from grown men over 25. What made the whole thing worst was the fact that they didn't own up to it. If your a true warrior and man of honor you own up to everything you do; right or wrong. The fact of the matter is Leben has gotten into these guy's heads; he sometime acted an ass in doing it but it never was with any real malice; the pissing in the bed thing is the only time I saw him take it to far but he own up to it , (Plus Coulture got on him real good for it too ) but the alcohal really showed how much he was in their heads so I can't wait to see how Koschek handles an angered focused Leben. Southworth's lucky that Nat got hurt or he would be getting his ass kicked too.


Nates a good man who knows what being a stand up guy is all about and I wish he was in Southworths weight class and not hurt so he could kick the hell out of him.

And I was watching UFC 44 the other day and in The Naturals fight with Ortiz, Nate was in Randy's corner!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It was a good show. I hope Leben does kick some ass on Monday! He's angry and pissed off. Seein him destroy the house with his bare hands showed how angry he could get.

[Eumastas]

does anyone remeber tito ortiz's first fight against tank abbot. everyone was like poor rookie about to be killed, but tank slipped on water spilled on the octagon and tito got him i a hold and won.

[Eumastas]

or tank abbot's first fight against the samoan. my god he broke the mans face his face. UFC is a real mans show

[Royal]

Tank Abbot is a failure who has no right to be in the cage.

[kmeyers]

Tank Abbot is a failure who has no right to be in the cage.
when did he fight Tito? it's not listed as one of his fights at sherdog.


...and tank is a dick, and was entertaining for about 5 minutes...but tito is even worse.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Tank Abbot is a failure who has no right to be in the cage.



Tank Is a bar brawler who loves to drink and brag about kickin ass and losing! I watched the UFC Special he did and It shocked me. Man...did WCW miss the boat with Tank Abbott or what ?

[Royal]

And I was watching UFC 44 the other day and in The Naturals fight with Ortiz, Nate was in Randy's corner!

Nate's from Randy's school. So is Leben.

bumped for this episode.

[Royal]

I agree Chris lost & Josh won. But Chris does make a point. If Josh does fight that way, he's only going to fight the amount of shows that's on the contract & he won't be renewed. It's sad but true. Either he does mix it up & fight more exciting or he's going to be fed to Choi Mu Bae or Ryan Gracie.

Again, I accept the win & wish Chris all the best, but fans & fighters alike would say it's a crappy win.

[Jamal]

I wish Leben would have won but I think this will be a good lesson for him in the future. As for Josh if he doesn't get a better attitude somebody's going to hand him his ass one day. Maybe Leben vs. Koscheck 2.

[Royal]

From the lovely & smart Celia McG:

Man considering the pre-hype on both sides, Dana must have been watching this match unravel with a sense of confused terror. He had perfect TV coming into the fight. He had a perfect pro wrestling style set up, with a lot of drama going to the injured hand and Josh`s shoot and Chris`s sprawl. There were so many stories going on there...and when it came to fight time? Bleaaergh.

It really underlined and punctuated everything that is wrong with the UFC right now. How can you win a 'fight' or be considered an 'ultimate fighter' if you don`t fight? I don`t get it. It`s not Ultimate Greco Roman Wrestling. It`s Ultimate Fighting. The UFC seriously has to change it`s rules or else people like Josh (and Tito in the main show) are going to continue to piss off possible fans and waste national tv time.

And man, how could Chuck be so laid back? I mean seriously if it was MY team and Josh was my boy in the ring and I knew my team and my fighters were representing the whole damn business on national tv I would have been utterly bitching him out between rounds to do something. Josh froze up and just held position every single time. It was an embarrassment.

If you had an exhibition fight like that for Pride or K-1, both Josh and Chris would have had their asses booted out the door so fast they wouldn`t know what hit them.

I`ll give credit to Josh for the takedowns and almost getting himself into side mount, but if that was Pride, his ass would have been stood up several times and both he and Leben would have been yellow-carded, if not red-carded for not trying anything on each other. Like EVER. Josh was frozen solid like a deer in the headlights for 99% of that match and it was embarrassing to watch. Not that Leben was a virtuoso either. I was actually shocked to see Leben go for both a Kimura and an omaplata (or was it a giga-plata I get them mixed up?) late in the match, but there should have been a HELL of a lot more of that going on from round 1. For the most part Chris just closed his guard and did nothing. He blames Josh for the boring match, but Chris has the skills to fight on the ground and do damage and win fights there, I know he does. He didn`t want to take a chance and that cost him the fight.

If you look at the great fighters out there like Genki Sudo, BJ Penn, Kazushi Sakuraba, Wanderlei Silva, Fedor, Gomi, Sato, Nog, Crocop, Rampage, Igor they all take huge chances in a match. Well Rampage used to at least... Ugggh.

Hell Saku would do a flying Mongolian chop if he thought it would look cool. But more then just looking good in a fight and making the fight interesting, that kind of attitude helps to control the pace of the fight. By just closing up and letting Josh have the top position Chris gave Josh the pace of the match and Chris is just as much to blame for it being boring and crappy. He can play the bad boy and talk it up until he`s blue in the face, when his back was up against the wall, he froze. If you`re just locking up into closed guard and hoping to ride out the worst, you`re making a fight suck just as much as your opponent who`s not trying to do anything.

All in all it was bad reffing, bad fighting, and a really mediocre performance from two gigantic loud mouths. Both guys come in talking tough, both guys come in acting like it`s Christmas all over again and both guys fight the single most conservative, laid back match I`ve seen since Kimo/Dan Sevren in Pride 1. I`d like to think that this would prove to Dana that it takes more then an attitude to have an exciting fight, but I won`t hold my breath.

The Middleweights bore me. Barring freak injury, Sanchez has the division. If Quarry is out due to injury, Sanchez has it in the bag. Nobody will even be able to touch him. I`m more interested in the Light Heavyweights at the moment. It looks way more competitive there and I wanna see 'Mr. Flawless Victory' get his face smashed in.

Royal: So what you're saying is, PRIDE fights are usually a lot better?

Most of the time? Yeah. And it`s not the fault of the fighters in UFC either. Chuck, Randy, Vitor, Diaz, Karo, Andrei, Hughes, Newton, Verissimo, Trigg, Tanner, Yves are all amazing fighters. But when one group has rules that say 'no stalling', 'win by pushing the fight and doing everything you can to win' and 'win by damage done to your opponent', not to mention having refs who will give a yellow card (costing you 10% of your pay) if you make a boring fight? Meanwhile the other organization says 'win by positioning'? Well it`s simple logic who`s gonna have the better fights. Although their are cases when fighters get screwed for more popular opponents in Pride (like Ninja/Rampage and Kondo/Henderson). But that`s the exception, not the rule.

Plus Pride has more money to scalp the best fighters in the world (it currently has four olympic gold medalists under it`s belt) and isn`t afraid to push a foreign fighter as champion, while Dana almost always HAS to have an American champion and actively tries to sabotage the careers of foreign fighters in the UFC by constantly sticking them on the under-card no matter how popular they are with the fans. In many ways, Dana and Zuffa make their own bed and damage their own reputations with boring fights that don`t have to be, bad booking (see: UFC 51) and bad judging that rewards mediocrity.

[Bright-Raven]

1) So damned glad they're getting rid of the alcohol. You're supposed to be in training and alcohol is verboten when training. Obviously the booze is put there as a temptation and to create chaos. Congratulations, ya morons. You've succeeded.

If any of these guys had any brains whatsoever, they'd have sworn off the booze before ever entering the house. Why allow yourself the potential to have your judgment impaired? Why not have the advantage over everyone else in the house by staying even-keeled and sober, focused on your goals? *shakes head*

2) Even if Nate Quarry is medically cleared, I would cut him, because he's too vulnerable now. The ankle is a known weakness that will not be 100% healed and you know whomever he's fighting will have been trained to take him to the mat and go for that injury to injure it to the point where he cannot continue. I doubt they'll have a second season for this show, but Nate's in Couture's school. If he's ever good enough to be in the ring, he will be brought in.

3) I'm betting Josh Lafferty is the next guy to get sent over to Couture's team, because Couture's got no middleweights left, and there is no way Koschek will be accepted by Couture's team and Diego's too damn good with a 14-0 record in MMA matches. Lidell won't part with him.

4) From the ads for next week they're looking to pit Forrest against one of the LHWs on Couture's team, probably Alex Schoenau as that was one of the guys Lidell dropped early on and will be likely be considered a weak competitor by Liddell.

I'm hoping that Swick or Bonnar get their hands on Southworth soon.

[Dennis K]

I watched this after RAW, and quite frankly, I was disappointed. I expected a good fight and was instead shown one guy with a ridiculous blonde dye job dry hump a guy with a ridiculous red dye job.

[Royal]

I watched this after RAW, and quite frankly, I was disappointed. I expected a good fight and was instead shown one guy with a ridiculous blonde dye job dry hump a guy with a ridiculous red dye job.

Please read what I & Celia wrote about the situation. Koschek kept top position to get the judges descion. It wasn't "dry humping".

[Dennis K]

Please read what I & Celia wrote about the situation. Koschek kept top position to get the judges descion. It wasn't "dry humping".

Hey, all I know is that one guy in shorts had his ankles locked around the waist of another guy in shorts. Sounds like dry humping to me. All we needed was a little peck on the cheek and we would have been into gay porn.

[Royal]

Hey, all I know is that one guy in shorts had his ankles locked around the waist of another guy in shorts. Sounds like dry humping to me. All we needed was a little peck on the cheek and we would have been into gay porn.

Well the reason he locked his ankles that way as to stop any chance for Koschek to sit on top of him & ground & pound the crap out of him. This is called a "natural guard". It's a standard move in most grapple based martial arts.

[Bright-Raven]

What I don't get is why Leben didn't destroy Koscheck from the Guard position. Koscheck left himself open to back elbows to the head, ribs and kidneys were exposed and yet Leben barely punched at the guy's sides. Koscheck was also vulnerable to a front face lock and submission move, if Leben just let the fool in, because Koscheck was only trying to wrestle, not fight. Leben could have let him past the guard and choked him out while punching at the guy's neck, all while Koscheck was in the "top / dominant" position.

But Leben just took it, and I cannot for the life of me understand why.

[Royal]

What I don't get is why Leben didn't destroy Koscheck from the Guard position. Koscheck left himself open to back elbows to the head, ribs and kidneys were exposed and yet Leben barely punched at the guy's sides. Koscheck was also vulnerable to a front face lock and submission move, if Leben just let the fool in, because Koscheck was only trying to wrestle, not fight. Leben could have let him past the guard and choked him out while punching at the guy's neck, all while Koscheck was in the "top / dominant" position.

But Leben just took it, and I cannot for the life of me understand why.

Leben was looking for the right moment and he hesitated. He hesitated in front of a NCAA champ. All Koschek had to do is control the situation & he did it. No matter how hard Leben punched & tried submission attempts, Koschek had control & the judges ruled he was the dominate force.

Would Koschek win like that in real life? Yeah, but he would catch a whole lot of flack from not only fans but fighters as well. Why? Because it's a stupid judging set up if all you need to do in UFC fight is just lay & control your opponent. Fighters try to stay away from that arrangement, but you do have the odd guy using it to his advntage.

[Royal]

From The Scherer:

The Ultimate Fighter that followed it did a 2.0 cable rating, with a 4.4 share, for the Chris vs. Josh fight. UFC has to be ecstatic with that number as its the best they have done yet.

We did it. WE DID IT!

[BoosterBronze]

I havent watched Ultimate Fights since the early Gracie days, but caught Monday's episode.

God, I hated that little red-head bastard. Aarogant, loathsome little brat. As he talked sh*t and acted like a badass, I began to project onto him everyone I've ever hated, and SO much wished he would lose the fight.

I'm glad he lost.

But watching him CRYING LIKE A GIRL at the end was one of the most cathartic moments I've ever seen on TV, and I still smile when I think about it. I wish I'd tivoed it.

(hee hee... he cried... hee hee)

[Royal]

anyone see this episode?

[Royal]

Don't you LOVE NSAC judges? :D

[Captain Trips]

I was getting really sick of Bobby Southworth. I was glad he lost, but it was such a close fight. They should have gone to a third round.

[Royal]

I was getting really sick of Bobby Southworth. I was glad he lost, but it was such a close fight. They should have gone to a third round.

I totally agree. That's why Dana said "Don't leave it to the judges." It's not to make the match exciting, it's because it's out of his f'n hands.

[Captain Trips]

I liked how, after Southworth lost, he flipped off that guy Sam and said, "F*ck you, traitor."

I just thought it was ironic that he and Koschek made fun of the way Lebin handled himself after he lost, and Southworth does pretty much the same thing. It's one thing to disagree with the ruling, but it's another to call one of your teammates out as a traitor. Southworth was mad that he had to fight, and he thought Sam didn't do his part in the challenge. I am not going to miss seeing him on that show.

[Dennis K]

I've watched this show for two weeks in a row, and I'm not sure it has earned a third chance. I thought these guys were supposed to be "real fighters"? Boring, boring, boring, just a lot of standing around, a couple of punches that nearly connect, then a whole lot of rolling around on the mat. *Yawn* I hope the guys with more experience put on a better show because these last two "fights" I've seen have been dull. Now that I think about it, are all the contestants complete punks? Have none of them heard of losing gracefully? They act like they're the first ones to ever have anything bad happen to them. Grow up and be men for crying out loud instead petulant dopes.

[Royal]

I've watched this show for two weeks in a row, and I'm not sure it has earned a third chance. I thought these guys were supposed to be "real fighters"? Boring, boring, boring, just a lot of standing around, a couple of punches that nearly connect, then a whole lot of rolling around on the mat. *Yawn* I hope the guys with more experience put on a better show because these last two "fights" I've seen have been dull. Now that I think about it, are all the contestants complete punks? Have none of them heard of losing gracefully? They act like they're the first ones to ever have anything bad happen to them. Grow up and be men for crying out loud instead petulant dopes.

oh. They are real fighters. It's just that the ingrained idea of "real fighting" is that of a one punch mentality. Leaving the outcome of a match up to a lucky punch or a lucky kick & when he's down, he's out. There are many more diamentions to fighting then that. What you saw as rolling around in the ring, I saw as a couple attempts at a guillotine choke & proper guarding ability.

I can understand your feelings of the Leben/Koschek match though. Koschek played to judges who really judge boxing events, so all he had to do was control the pace & lay on Chris while he froze up. The difference between Koschek/Leben & Boner/Southworth is that Boner controled the pace & was aggressive all throughout the match. Judges like aggressiveness. So they gave it to him.

[Bright-Raven]

That was an interesting match between Bonnar and Southworth, though I wished Bonnar had been even more aggressive. It was too even a match and should have gone the third round. Hell, I was almost afraid they'd give it to Southworth for controls. Just glad Southworth is gone (hopefully for good, seeing as supposedly one of the people who was kicked off the show is allowed to come back to the show soon for some reason or another).

Now if they could just dump Koscheck...

[Captain Trips]

That was an interesting match between Bonnar and Southworth, though I wished Bonnar had been even more aggressive. It was too even a match and should have gone the third round. Hell, I was almost afraid they'd give it to Southworth for controls. Just glad Southworth is gone (hopefully for good, seeing as supposedly one of the people who was kicked off the show is allowed to come back to the show soon for some reason or another).

Now if they could just dump Koscheck...


They are bringing back a middleweight to be on Coture's team. I have a feeling this will be because Nate Quarry, the guy with the injured ankle, will have to leave the show once he gets the results of his MRI. I think it will either be Leben or Alex Karalexis.

[Dennis K]

oh. They are real fighters. It's just that the ingrained idea of "real fighting" is that of a one punch mentality. Leaving the outcome of a match up to a lucky punch or a lucky kick & when he's down, he's out. There are many more diamentions to fighting then that. What you saw as rolling around in the ring, I saw as a couple attempts at a guillotine choke & proper guarding ability.

I can understand your feelings of the Leben/Koschek match though. Koschek played to judges who really judge boxing events, so all he had to do was control the pace & lay on Chris while he froze up. The difference between Koschek/Leben & Boner/Southworth is that Boner controled the pace & was aggressive all throughout the match. Judges like aggressiveness. So they gave it to him.

Here's the problem, and it really doesn't have anything to do with a one-punch mentality. It has to do with entertainment. What was so entertaining about the last two weeks contests? Nothing! Watching a couple of guys try to hit each other then end up rolling around on the ground simply isn't entertaining.

[Royal]

Here's the problem, and it really doesn't have anything to do with a one-punch mentality. It has to do with entertainment. What was so entertaining about the last two weeks contests? Nothing! Watching a couple of guys try to hit each other then end up rolling around on the ground simply isn't entertaining.

I understand.

I think the reason they seem hesitant to be agressive is that is an all or nothing deal they're in. They want to throw, but they're too afraid of making a mistake. I assure you, once the live finale comes around, you will see all guns fully loaded & both barrels blasting.

[Bright-Raven]

Ground work is boring to Bad Santa, basically. Then you shouldn't watch MMA, Bad Santa. You should stick to kickboxing or boxing or sports entertainment.

[Dennis K]

Ground work is boring to Bad Santa, basically. Then you shouldn't watch MMA, Bad Santa. You should stick to kickboxing or boxing or sports entertainment.


Ground work is boring to just about everybody, not just me, or is there a lot of NCAA wrestling on TV that I'm not aware of?

[Royal]

Ground work is boring to just about everybody, not just me, or is there a lot of NCAA wrestling on TV that I'm not aware of?

http://realprowrestling.com/

Even though I hate their intentions & definatly hate how they treated everyone who tried to help start a Catch division for them.

[Bright-Raven]

Bad Santa:

I'd rather watch the collegiate wrestling than bowling, golf, tennis, and a variety of other "sports" they show on TV.

[Royal]

Now now. He's possibly into MMA. Just the K-1 variety is all.

[Dennis K]

Bad Santa:

I'd rather watch the collegiate wrestling than bowling, golf, tennis, and a variety of other "sports" they show on TV.


That's nice, but so what? At least bowling, golf, tennis and whatever other sport you were thinking about as reached a level of popularity that it will be televised, and companies are willing to spend money to advertise on the broadcasts. Collegiate wrestling would have to absolutely surge in popularity before it warrants the 2:30-3:00 a.m. spot on Fox Sports Net.

[Bright-Raven]

Bad Santa:

You obviously do not understand how televised sports works. Golf and Bowling and Tennis have multiconglomerate businesses funding them and sponsoring their events. College sports generally does not, save for football's bowl games.

This is something ABC / ESPN has realized and it is why they are now starting that new channel ESPN-U which is all collegiate sports that do not recieve the corporate sponsorships. There will be all sorts of collegiate sports that will be getting the spotlight. Wouldn't be surprised if college wrestling is one of them.

[Dennis K]

Bad Santa:

You obviously do not understand how televised sports works. Golf and Bowling and Tennis have multiconglomerate businesses funding them and sponsoring their events. College sports generally does not, save for football's bowl games.

This is something ABC / ESPN has realized and it is why they are now starting that new channel ESPN-U which is all collegiate sports that do not recieve the corporate sponsorships. There will be all sorts of collegiate sports that will be getting the spotlight. Wouldn't be surprised if college wrestling is one of them.

Bright:

You know what, I think you're onto something here. I think you're right, ESPNU is going to start showing collegiate wrestling and its popularity is going to skyrocket! People all across this country, no, scratch that, people all over the world are going to put down their golf clubs and take up wrestling! Bowlers will give up beer frames so they can acquire cauliflower ears! Tennis enthusiasts will put away their rackets so they can wear unitards! Oh yes, Bright, I can see it now, wrestling is the leisure activity of the new millenium! How could I have been so blind? :rolleyes:

[Bright-Raven]

Bad Santa:

Nice that you call Bowling, Tennis, and Golf "leisure activities" instead of sports (not that I disagree), but let's face it, there are a lot of "sports" that get more TV coverage than actual athletic events. Not because they are more interesting or entertaining to watch, but because rich conglomerates support them because members of the rich society can actually participate in the activity, whereas they can't in REAL sports.

[Royal]

bumpaty bump bump

[Royal]

Josh commited suicide.

[Royal]

BTW, am I the only one sad that Geek Pride died with Quarry being eliminated?

[Bright-Raven]

Yeah, that was a mess. Can't believe the kid picked Diego. Diego's probably the best guy there, pound for pound.

It's pretty clear UFC is not giving up on Nate and plan on eventually signing him to a contract, even if he couldn't complete this. Bobby Southworth could have probably gotten one off camera also if he hadn't acted like such a jerk to Dana.

Leben coming back - enh. I don't know if that was a wise choice by Nate, but I wasn't surprised by it.

[Royal]

Leben coming back - enh. I don't know if that was a wise choice by Nate, but I wasn't surprised by it.

He's a Quest teammate.

[Royal]

Bump.

The fight was awesome tonight!

[FOX]

This was a great episode...

The drama with SAm stealing was slightly entertaining...

But see the guys watch UFC 50 and their reactions was awesome. Everyone flipped out when Matt Hughes Arm Barred Georges St. Pierre...

The challenge was cool...

But the Fight between Forest, and Alex was the best one so far. Forest was losing the fight when they were standing, and looked slightly rocked a couple times. If he didn't get the take down I think he would have gotten KTFO. Alex needs to work on his takedown defense if he has no ground game...

I don't think Forrest will be able to continue with the show because the cut on his eye is BAD...

Return of Southworth maybe?

[Bright-Raven]

Southworth returning in place of Forrest? That would suck worse than Leben returning. It would be Koscheck and Southworth being pricks again. At least Koscheck is calmed down some without his buddy backing him up.

[Royal]

Hey all.

Diego Sanchez will be on Pro Karate Weekly this week. Go check it out!

http://www.prokarateweekly.com/

[grendel824]

Diego really does seem like a jerk to me (granted, we just see what's shown on TV, and anyone can look like anything depending on editing so I'm really talking about his "character" as shown on TV - I never met any of these guys and if I did I'd hope I'd give them a fair shake). Not as bad as Bobby or Chris, but he's got an attitude (like when the guy was telling him not to just cut the heads off the asparagus and just put them back without telling anyone), as though now that he's a fighter he doesn't have to listen to criticism because he can beat someone in a fight. None of these guys seem that mature.

I still love the show, though, but I wish they'd show more training and martial arts-oriented stuff rather than stupid challenges - we can get those on any other "reality" show.

[Taltos]

Is anyone else watching right now?

[Taltos]

Well given today’s outcome the middle weight finals are going to be less than amazing. Kenny F. (who was getting beat by Chris) is going to get his ass whooped by either Diego or Josh K.
I think its going be Diego in the finals because he is a lot more aggressive than Josh, and he has a wrestling background (unlike most of Josh's opponents). Then again Josh (the NCAA champ) is a world class wrestler he isn’t going to be forced to submit on the ground. Against anyone else I would give Josh the win but he is just too much of a pussy (very uncharacteristic of a NCAA champ) to beat Diego. Ethier way this is going to be the best match yet 15 mins of bliss.

[Royal]

Unless Koschek can sit on Diego for three rounds...he's pretty much screwed.

"This is going to be the best asskicking ever!"

[Taltos]

Unless Koschek can sit on Diego for three rounds...he's pretty much screwed.
"This is going to be the best asskicking ever!"

Which he cant :D seeing as how in folkstlye wrestling everyone immeadiatly turns to there stomachs. But in MMA you turn to your back and punch your opponent in the face. I see Josh taking Diego down with a good take down and then he'll have to let him go because he is a pussy. Then josh will go on the defensive and Diego will punish him.

Im relativly uninterested in the light hvy wieghts. Seeing as how Forrest may be out and Bobby already lost.

[Dark Monarch]

I am looking forward to seeing if Sam is as big a pussy as he seems to be and if Mike is as good as almost all the Lt Heavyweights seem to think he is.

[2Easy]

Swick is that good and you all will soon find out.

I like his chances the most, especially if Forrest can't heal up in time.

Bonnar is too sloppy and Mike is too technically sound.

Bobby would give him a good fight, but I think Swick takes him.

And Hoger? Well I don't know what Hoger can offer but would hate to see him in the UFC. Actually I'd love for him to be in the UFC for a good ass whooping.

[Royal]

Hey Easy. Welcome to the thread.

For all you CBR folk, 2 Easy is a frequent poster in the ever popular Ironlife (http://www.ironlife.com/forum/index.php?) Forums.

Now if I can only get Tanner Rhoden, Greg Kilikas or Mr. Boobs to post here. That would be sweet.

[2Easy]

Thanks Royal. I'm also on tqfc.net, a pretty good and informative forum. And Tanner is a nut, I'll get him to make a cameo.

Very, very nice forum you guys have here.

[Royal]

Thanks. Glad you like.

I do agree about Hoger. He has "Can" written all over him.

[Royal]

bumped up


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[Royal]

Awesome Awesome match.

It was cool that they followed Dana around as he did his as well.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

not a big fan of the show, but good fight tonight. i hope diego goes on to do well in the ufc. us mexicans don't have a whole lot of athletes to look up to, so i hope him and joey villasenor both make it to and do well in the ufc, because tito ortiz makes me sick.

[Sheldon]

Great match. Diego was soooo close with a few of those submissions. He'll be great given a bit more time.

[Dark Monarch]

I totally agree with the judges in giving the victory to Diego. Pound for pound Diego is probably the most impressive MMA fighter on the entire show. He has great grappling skills, impressive standup and fantastic submission skills and he is very focused. I see him defeating Kenny and going on to the UFC where I think he will do very well.

Josh has the potential of being a great fighter as well. His problem is that he is locked in to a wrestlers mentality. He focuses on getting the fight on the ground but once he gets the takedown he is simply lost in what to do next. He needs to learn how to strike on the ground and advance his position.

[Sheldon]

Josh would have benefited from training with Randy more than Chuck. We was pretty lost when it came to ground and pound.

[Royal]

not a big fan of the show, but good fight tonight. i hope diego goes on to do well in the ufc. us mexicans don't have a whole lot of athletes to look up to, so i hope him and joey villasenor both make it to and do well in the ufc, because tito ortiz makes me sick.

Don't forget about Gilbert Melendez & OLAF.

[Royal]

Did anyone else laugh when that one judge gave it to Koschek?

[Dark Monarch]

Did anyone else laugh when that one judge gave it to Koschek?


He gave it to him by a 30-27 score too! I was like what the F**k is that dude on and where can I get some of it cause it has got to be strong as hell!

[Jamal]

That fight made my night, I am so happy that Diego gave Koschek a sound
@ss kicking. Don't get me wrong Koschek is a very good fighter and held his own against Diego but He ( Koschek ) is an immature punk who does not need to be in the UFC at this time. He's too old to be acting the way he does and hopefully he'll look back at the season and realize how much of a Jackass he's been. Now if they can get rid of Southworth again I'll really be happy because he's needs to grow up too.

[Royal]

WE MADE 2.0! WE MADE 2.0!!

*celebrates like Kurt Angle*

[lboinyamouf4sho]

That fight made my night, I am so happy that Diego gave Koschek a sound
@ss kicking. Don't get me wrong Koschek is a very good fighter and held his own against Diego but He ( Koschek ) is an immature punk who does not need to be in the UFC at this time. He's too old to be acting the way he does and hopefully he'll look back at the season and realize how much of a Jackass he's been. Now if they can get rid of Southworth again I'll really be happy because he's needs to grow up too.



did you hear that idiot southworth saying "that was a bullshit decision!!" what a jerkoff.

[Dark Monarch]

did you hear that idiot southworth saying "that was a bullshit decision!!" what a jerkoff.


He says that about any decision that goes against him or one of his boys! I would tell Southworth to look at Diego's face and then go look at Koscheks face and tell me then what a bullshit decision it was. Diego had a slight bloody nose Josh looked like he had been dead for 6 months!


Anyone have any opinions on the upcoming fights?

Diego vs Kenny

Mike vs Stephan

Sam vs Forrest or Bobby

[lboinyamouf4sho]

He says that about any decision that goes against him or one of his boys! I would tell Southworth to look at Diego's face and then go look at Koscheks face and tell me then what a bullshit decision it was. Diego had a slight bloody nose Josh looked like he had been dead for 6 months!


Anyone have any opinions on the upcoming fights?

Diego vs Kenny

Mike vs Stephan

Sam vs Forrest or Bobby


diego should submit kenny, only problem is this will be diegos 4th fight in around 9 weeks and he could be getting a little burnt out mentaly and physicaly. swick should take bonnar, and hogar will get his ass kicked by who ever, hopefully forrest

[Royal]

Hey All. Mail from Nate Quarry!

First off let me say thank you to everyone who has supported our show from the beginning and thank you to those of you that have come in along the way.

No one expected the response to be so overwhelming with millions of viewers every week. It seems that everyone had something to love about the show and something to hate, now that's good tv!

Now on to the reason for this email. In case you didn't know, our sport is just in its infancy. with that being the case, all 16 of us fighters are struggling to make a living and train as hard as necessary to become a champion. While we are helping to pioneer out sport and bring it mainstream I'm asking you to help your favorite fighter. Most of us are coming out with gear and accessories that people can purchase. This money goes directly into the fighters pocket to help alleviate expenses so we can focus on our training and bring you the best show possible.

So if you are able and want to show your support for your fighters that you love, or love to hate, toss them a little of your disposable income. We also are starting to pick up sponsors. This is making a huge difference in our training budget so please support the sponsors that are supporting us. I myself am just now being supported by Sportsbook.com, an online betting site; Bite Me Mouthguards, the most convenient and best company to work with, no more boil and bite for me; Sprawl Shorts, making durable shorts for us to train and fight in; Venti's Cafe in my hometown of Salem, OR. Dino Venti has been there since my very first amateur fight feeding me and taking care of me and Kurt at Salem Healthfoods, always getting me supplements to keep me healthy.

Please support our sponsors, and if you are able and really want to be involved you can sponsor a fighter as well. I know of quite a few fighters that just have fans that want to feel like a part of the process and take care of their favorite fighters.

Thanks again for all your support and check out my t-shirts at http://www.sindicateindustries.com/
Nathan "Rock" Quarry

I got a list of the other guys sponsors. I'll post it next.

Support The Rock. Geeks Gotta stick up for one another.

[Royal]

Forrest Griffin T-Shirt...
www.cafepress.com/frankiscool

Alex Karalexis T-Shirts…
www.alexkaralexis.com/shirts.htm

Chris Leben Gear…
http://chrisleben.com/gear.html
http://www.ninjastar.tv

Josh Koscheck Gear…
https://ssl.comeshome.com/sslorders...ers.aspx?eid=32

Nate Quarry T-Shirts…
www.sindicateindustries.com

Diego Sanchez Store…
http://www.4diego.com/store.php

Mike Swick T-Shirt…
http://www.mikeswick.com/images/shirtwhite.gif
(Information on how to order Mike's shirt is listed in his fan club.)

Bobby Southworth is in the designing process for some shirts and sweaters, be on the lookout for further info...

Lodune Sincaid is also in the process of developing some shirts.

[Sheldon]

C'mon Forrest!

[Sheldon]

He was pretty tentative, but when he started with the knees I knew it was over.

Lets hope the next match is good too.

[Sheldon]

Nice ground work and a slick sub by Bonnar. Much more active match than the 1st one. Good episode.

[Royal]

Awesome floating triangle. Very beautiful!

[Royal]

What's your impression of the series? Has TUF gained you a new or changed your perspective of MMA? Will you delve further into the sport or just watch UFC? Will you help further the sport & help support the fighters and their orginizations?

feel free to share your opinions.

And don't forget about saturday! The guys are gonna need beer money so don't forget to buy some of their gear as well.

[Bright-Raven]

It's simple, really.

If they get the shows on channels one can watch, people will support them. Spike TV is one such channel. But people who live in rural areas like myself who don't get syndication TV save what might be on the satellite, aren't getting the majority of the available programming for MMA, Pro wrestling, and a myriad of other events.

If they can get mainstream without PPVs (because PPVs are simply too expensive), then maybe. I think that's what Dana's show on Spike this Saturday is all about. Seeing what kind of rating they can pull with the new guys and some UFC Names alike.

[Sheldon]

I hope they promote the hell out of the finale. I'm going to try and get as many people I know to watch it.

[Dark Monarch]

What fight where Kenny and the others watching?

He said he and the other fighters thought Josh Kosceck won the fight!

[Jamal]

The show was called "Hoping and Praying." Kenny's a dead man come saturday. He better hope he can cut Diego or he's going to pray that the pain stops.

And in the words Ice Cube and Chris Tucker, "GOD DAMN!" Koscheks face looked like it was hit with a wrecking ball. I'm usually not this heartless but it serves the prick right. That guy needed a good ass kicking and maybe now he can grow up and Southworth got what he deserved twice so "Boo Hoo" to him too.

[Dark Monarch]

The show was called "Hoping and Praying." Kenny's a dead man come saturday. He better hope he can cut Diego or he's going to pray that the pain stops.

And in the words Ice Cube and Chris Tucker, "GOD DAMN!" Koscheks face looked like it was hit with a wrecking ball. I'm usually not this heartless but it serves the prick right. That guy needed a good ass kicking and maybe now he can grow up and Southworth got what he deserved twice so "Boo Hoo" to him too.


It was easy to tell the winner of that fight. Diego looked like he never was in a fight. Koschek looked like he was dropped off a cliff and landed face first. The dude looked like a walking corpse only a corpse looks somewhat better than that.

[Royal]

http://www.sherdog.com/images/pictures/11818.jpg

Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=2639#) covers the weighins. Check out the video as well.

MMAWeekly (http://forums.mmaweekly.com/Toast.asp?sub=show&action=posts&fid=2&tid=69895&page=2) has some coverage as well.

[Sheldon]

Forrest looks like Lowell from Wings....

[Royal]

or a killer Howdy Dudy Doll.

[Royal]

AWESOME AWESOME Fights! Thanks everyone for watching!.

[Predator]

I watched the marathon today, which has been like 99% of my exposure to Ultimate Fighting, and I thought it was pretty good stuff. I can see why MMA guys like this stuff. The best match was definately the final match between Forest and Bonar(?) in the finale. DAMN if that wasn't a bloody brawl! I loved it! Fighting has gained a lot of respect in my book.

[Dark Monarch]

All I can say is that Bonner and Griffen are two studs in that ring! I have watched nearly all the UFC's and I don't recall one fight that was that much of a all-out, take no prisoners war.

They did the right thing in giving both of them contracts. They both proved that they have what it takes to be in that ring.

I bet a lot of the other fighters in the UFC thought that they did not deserve to be in the UFC because they won their way in vie a TV show. I think they earned every fighters respect in that match.

[Sheldon]

Just an amazing show....I was getting ticked off with all the promo material between fights, but Forrest and Stephan were really charismatic and said totally won me over.

What a great brawl!

Poor Ken, he slipped and landed on his but and didnt' know what to do!

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i knew diego was gonna win from the begining, only fight that had me worried was kosheck because he was an even better wrestler than diego himself, but diego was able to make the adjustments and win. i was proud to be a mexican when the mariachi music hit

[Royal]

*takes a page out of Renzo Gracie's book*

He's a mexican version of Gomi.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

*takes a page out of Renzo Gracie's book*

He's a mexican version of Gomi.


gomi would make a great mexican

[Royal]

Even with the fuzzy fro?

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Even with the fuzzy fro?

i've seen mexicans with far worse hair than gomi, you should see the guy who cuts my dads grass :eek:

[Captain Trips]

I knew Diego was going to hand it to Florian. Not that I don't think Florian is tough, he obviously is. But once they got to the ground, Diego is a machine. That fight went pretty much as I thought it might be.

The Stephan Bonner/Forrest Griffin fight was awesome. What a war. I was surprised when they gave Forrest the win. I really thought Bonner won. Regardless, those are two really tough guys. I watched the fight in my favorite sports bar so I couldn't hear the sound, so I didn't know until I read some of the posts here that both guys got contracts. That was a good decision.

[Taltos]

I watched the finally and tuned in on the marathon whenever I was at home (seeing as how I was hardly at home on saturday I missed the Josh and Diego fight again!!!).

The finally was kickass, Kenny got his ass kicked and surprisingly so did Shamrock. The Stephan/Forrest was like watching rocky versus Apollo, straight brawling :D

I thought given all that time to train Florian would have been ready for the onslaught, but i was wrong. Going on hype alone Shamrock was a huge dissapointment, I mean he slipped for gosh sakes and was submitted by punches!

Overall, I think i'll be ordering the Randy/Chuck ppv :)

[grendel824]

That fight with Stephan vs. Forrest was amazing. You hear the word "heart" thrown around quite a bit, but both of these guys really showed it. Nobody lost that fight, and I'm glad we'll be seeing more of them. They seem like real class-acts, too - nice, funny guys.

I too thought, if there HAD to be a decision, that Bonnar would've eked it out - he seemed slightly less gassed and demonstrated more technical moves near the end. I remember thinking before the fight that it was almost a shame, because two of my favorite guys from the show had to fight and I would hate to see one lose. Little did I know...

So, I heard that all of the fighters from the Ultimate Fighter series actually had fights that night but they weren't televised. Is this true? :confused:

[Dark Monarch]

That fight with Stephan vs. Forrest was amazing. You hear the word "heart" thrown around quite a bit, but both of these guys really showed it. Nobody lost that fight, and I'm glad we'll be seeing more of them. They seem like real class-acts, too - nice, funny guys.

I too thought, if there HAD to be a decision, that Bonnar would've eked it out - he seemed slightly less gassed and demonstrated more technical moves near the end. I remember thinking before the fight that it was almost a shame, because two of my favorite guys from the show had to fight and I would hate to see one lose. Little did I know...

So, I heard that all of the fighters from the Ultimate Fighter series actually had fights that night but they weren't televised. Is this true? :confused:


Bonnar and Griffen's sportmanship and class after that WAR made me a fan of both of them for the rest of their careers. They acted like true warriors and men of great poise.

And yes everyone on the show fought on the undercard before the televised event.

Sam Hogar beat Bobby Southworth- 3 round decision
Josh K beat Chris Sanford- 1st round TKO
Nate Quarry Defeated Lodune Sinclair 2nd round TKO
Mike Swick beat Alex S- 20 seconds into the 1st round- TKO
Chris Leben beat- Jason Thatcher- 1st round TKO
Alex K beat Josh Rafferty- 1st round TKO


There you go my man!

PS According to Dana White all fights will be on The Ultimate Fighter season 1 DVD.

[Royal]

So, I heard that all of the fighters from the Ultimate Fighter series actually had fights that night but they weren't televised. Is this true? :confused:

From Insidefighting.com :

Sam Hogar d Bobby Southworth UJD
Koscheck d Sanford KO 1R
Nate Quarry d Louden Sincaid by TKO (punches) 2R
Mike Swick d Alex Schoenauer KO 1R (20 secs.)
Alex Karalexis d Josh Rafferty KO 1R
Chris Leben d Jason Thacker by KO 1R

[Captain Trips]

From Insidefighting.com :

Sam Hogar d Bobby Southworth UJD
Koscheck d Sanford KO 1R
Nate Quarry d Louden Sincaid by TKO (punches) 2R
Mike Swick d Alex Schoenauer KO 1R (20 secs.)
Alex Karalexis d Josh Rafferty KO 1R
Chris Leben d Jason Thacker by KO 1R


Wow, so big mouth Bobby Southworth lost to the guy he dogged for most of the time he was on the show.

[Jamal]

The show way awesome I wasn't sure about how good Stephan was but after that I am a believer. Forrest 'nuff said.

Diego a "Beast" ( and I mean that with the most respect ).

Southworth= HA HA,
Chuck send it in the very begining, There is a reason why Bobbie never made it the big time. ( He needs to grow up )

And even with a win Koschek still looked like Diego's punching bag. ( HA HA )

By the way that will be the last time I talk mess about those two guys.

In other news= Insomnia Enterertain will be producing a movie set in the world of the UFC. "In the film a soldier returns from the middle east and works his way up to become a top fighter in the UFC." Dana White will be Exec. Producing.

This is not a joke this was in the magazine "Creative Screenwriting" ( New issue with Nicole Kidman on the front) in the spec/pitch sales section.

[Royal]

[QUOTE=Jamal
"In the film a soldier returns from the middle east and works his way up to become a top fighter in the UFC." [/QUOTE]

Not to sound like a meanie...but why do you already have to toughen up an already tough character?

Crazy fact: 15% of the MMA community is or was actual military. Most fighter come from education or medical fields.

[Royal]

[QUOTE=Jamal
"In the film a soldier returns from the middle east and works his way up to become a top fighter in the UFC." [/QUOTE]

Not to sound like a meanie...but why do you already have to toughen up an already tough character?

Crazy fact: 15% of the MMA community is or was actual military. Most fighter come from education or medical fields.

[Royal]

[QUOTE=Jamal
"In the film a soldier returns from the middle east and works his way up to become a top fighter in the UFC." [/QUOTE]

Not to sound like a meanie...but why do you already have to toughen up an already tough character?

Crazy fact: 15% of the MMA community is or was actual military. Most fighter come from education or medical fields.

[Taltos]

Sam Hogar beat Bobby Southworth- 3 round decision
Josh K beat Chris Sanford- 1st round TKO
Nate Quarry Defeated Lodune Sinclair 2nd round TKO
Mike Swick beat Alex S- 20 seconds into the 1st round- TKO
Chris Leben beat- Jason Thatcher- 1st round TKO
Alex K beat Josh Rafferty- 1st round TKO

PS According to Dana White all fights will be on The Ultimate Fighter season 1 DVD.

Sam beat Bobby!!! :D :D Southworth had it coming.

Im glad Josh K won he was one of my favorites. But im also glad he lost to Diego , he was both a pansy and a big shot at the same time. He needed an ass whipping.

Swick's 20 sec win isnt surprising he was whooping Bonnar, he is going to dominate at middle wieght.

I am definantly getting this DVD.

[grendel824]

Bonnar and Griffen's sportmanship and class after that WAR made me a fan of both of them for the rest of their careers. They acted like true warriors and men of great poise.


I wholeheartedly agree. I have a hard time caring about fighters with big mouths (whether they can back it up or not - which was why I wasn't as thrilled for Diego, though he's a young guy and I'm sure he'll show some humility after being in the UFC awhile) - it's great to see fighters with real class and intelligence succeed.


And yes everyone on the show fought on the undercard before the televised event.

Sam Hogar beat Bobby Southworth- 3 round decision
Josh K beat Chris Sanford- 1st round TKO
Nate Quarry Defeated Lodune Sinclair 2nd round TKO
Mike Swick beat Alex S- 20 seconds into the 1st round- TKO
Chris Leben beat- Jason Thatcher- 1st round TKO
Alex K beat Josh Rafferty- 1st round TKO


There you go my man!

PS According to Dana White all fights will be on The Ultimate Fighter season 1 DVD.

Sweet! Thanks for the info - I hope the existence of a "season 1" DVD implies that there'll be a season 2. I think the fights are a lot more interested when we're able to "get to know" the fighters a bit more. I hope if we see a season 2 we'll see a bit more training and a bit less of the "survivor"-type contests.

[StoneGold]

Goddamn, Kenny got his ass kicked like he was still working for Vince McMahon. So much for that ACL being healed up, I guess. Those two slips would seem to say his legs aren't what they used to be.

[BoosterBronze]

Couple quick UFC and MMA questions from an old fan who hasn't watched since about UFC 8.

-Are there still any fat guys? Have the Tank Abbots of the world made way for the fast, lean killing machines that dominated the UFC TV Show?

-What happened to Shamrock? They said this was his comeback... comeback from what?

-Are all the Gracies gone?

[Royal]

Couple quick UFC and MMA questions from an old fan who hasn't watched since about UFC 8.

-Are there still any fat guys? Have the Tank Abbots of the world made way for the fast, lean killing machines that dominated the UFC TV Show?

-What happened to Shamrock? They said this was his comeback... comeback from what?

-Are all the Gracies gone?

1. Tank does come back occasionally, but no. No more fat guys. Big! But not fat.

2. He did a tour of the up & coming fight orginizations of the world (PANCRASE, PRIDE, 2HOT 2HANDLE, etc.) then came back to fight Tito Ortiz only to get his ass beat. He took some time off by working for TNA & then started back up again.

3. Yep. All of them are fight at either PRIDE or K-1 events now.

[Jamal]

Royal I'm not sure what you were talking about in your earlier post?

[Royal]

Royal I'm not sure what you were talking about in your earlier post?

I don't understand making the main character in the movie someone from the military. Most the fighters I know are guys who are from the martial arts sector who are trying to use thier skills to make ends meet. Sure, there are guys who are from the branches who fight, but it's few & far between.

To me, their making the character too tough.

[Jamal]

Yea I feel you, I thought the same thing when I read it but this story line was just the pitch to sell the movie; it can all change when they write the script.

This might sound dumb but do you guys think "Rock" can pull this role off? I'm not a huge fan of his but with the tattoes I think he has a "good look" for a role like this one. No pro wrestling move in the movie of course.

[Royal]

He'd have to train a bit before shooting, but wouldn't say that he can't pull it off.

[Royal]

TUF is already into season 2. They'll begin shooting in June & will be aired in August.

They're going to concentrate on Heavy & Welterweights. It's also rumored that the one of the coaches will possibly be "The Pitbull" Andrei Arlovsky.

http://img144.echo.cx/img144/5968/arlovski0125ja.jpg

[SUPERECWFAN1]

TUF is already into season 2. They'll begin shooting in June & will be aired in August.

They're going to concentrate on Heavy & Welterweights. It's also rumored that the one of the coaches will possibly be "The Pitbull" Andrei Arlovsky.

http://img144.echo.cx/img144/5968/arlovski0125ja.jpg


Season 2# Is always the toughest. Can you Improve on something that was pretty cool In Season 1# ? Its gonna be hard to see It.

Also did anyone check out last week's cool Interview /Feature with Dana White In USA Today Money section ? He's really done a great job at bringing the UFC back from the edge of extiction In 2001.

White mentioned the 9PM Timeslot on Monday's. Which could work. But Spike TV would want 48 to 50 weeks worth of TV a year. This Is what they get from WWE as well. Not saying UFC couldn't slap a show togethor and do It. But could they make " The Ultimate Fighter " and Its spin-off of fights & matches be as good as thier Season 1# of this season ?

Gonna be a long summer and odds are we'll find out this fall.

[Royal]

I think it can. Since it's Heavys & Welters, you're going to see a lot more finishes than decsions & even if it did go down to a decsion, it would be a bit more clear who won.

That's just me though :)