I hate math

[Buried Alien]

I really do. I hate it. It's silly to hate an abstract concept, but it's given me so much grief over the course of my life that I can't help it. My hatred of math goes to absurd levels. I hate it the way Batman hates criminals with guns. I hate it the way Lex Luthor hates Superman. Hell, I hate it the way Bin Laden hates the West.

I hate, hate, hate numbers.


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[Smoogis]

so you don't like 1337 then?

[Deathstroke]

I really do. I hate it. It's silly to hate an abstract concept, but it's given me so much grief over the course of my life that I can't help it. My hatred of math goes to absurd levels. I hate it the way Batman hates criminals with guns. I hate it the way Lex Luthor hates Superman. Hell, I hate it the way Bin Laden hates the West.

I hate, hate, hate numbers.


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Messed up your checkbook again, huh?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I really do. I hate it. It's silly to hate an abstract concept, but it's given me so much grief over the course of my life that I can't help it. My hatred of math goes to absurd levels. I hate it the way Batman hates criminals with guns. I hate it the way Lex Luthor hates Superman. Hell, I hate it the way Bin Laden hates the West.

I hate, hate, hate numbers.


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Math was always my toughiest subject. Unlike History or Science I never did like Math at all. When I went back to school to get my Highschool Dilploma I took my tests In fright!

I took my Tests and of course no one believes me at all. Not my friends or family. I'd sit down and guess answers. Hmmmm ok that answer seems ok...go with It.

I passed well enough god willing. When In doubt ..Guess Is my answer.

[Nightcrawler]

With things like SATs, where it is multiple choice, I just do some of the math then take a reasonable guess.

[bert]

In the Immortal words of Barbie:

"Math class is hard"

[LtMarvel]

I've always found mathematics to be the easiest of subjects. It's just getting the rules down and applying them to the numbers.

The other subjects didn't have rules, only guidelines.

[MacQuarrie]

If you focus on how much you hate math, it makes the problems that much harder to solve.

Math defines the universe. Math is truth. You have to overcome your hatred (which is rooted in fear) and embrace reality. Math is your friend.

The problem is you were taught badly as a kid.

When you see the word cow, you think of a cow. The symbols represent a real thing. But when you hear the word five, you don't think of five dots or five fingers or five poker chips, you think of the number 5. One symbol (five) represents another one (5), and neither of them is ever really connected to a real object. Hence, math becomes an abstract concept instead of a way of ordering and manipulating reality.

You have some unlearning to do.

[Spike-X]

I found maths to be pretty easy all the way through school.

Until we got to calculus. Then I hit the wall so hard I don't think I've ever recovered from the shock.

[soda]

my experience was the polar opposite. Calculus was EASY for me, no problem, in fact, it was the easiest subject I ever took in mathematics. Most of my friends (who are also grad students in math) agree with that assesment. There's nothing inherently hard about calculus, in fact, it's inherently easy, because there are FAR fewer rules you have to know to master it. There are only about five different operations you need to know total.

[Sanagi]

"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."
-Galileo Galilei

Sorry, B.A., but math is everywhere. You can't escape it.

[west3man]

I think MacQuarrie's got the right idea, BA.


Personally, I LOVE mathematics. One summer, when I planned to be a teacher, I was in a program that, among other things, sharpened my math aptitude AND attitude. It was like finding that Twilight Zone typewriter - the world's obstacles didn't seem so insurmountable, anymore.

[Spike-X]

my experience was the polar opposite. Calculus was EASY for me, no problem, in fact, it was the easiest subject I ever took in mathematics. Most of my friends (who are also grad students in math) agree with that assesment. There's nothing inherently hard about calculus, in fact, it's inherently easy, because there are FAR fewer rules you have to know to master it. There are only about five different operations you need to know total.
I think the problem for me was, I wasn't paying attention in the first class, and by the time I realised I didn't have a damn clue what I was doing, it was too late to catch up.

[howyadoin]

I found maths to be pretty easy all the way through school.

Until we got to calculus. Then I hit the wall so hard I don't think I've ever recovered from the shock.Me too. I was a whiz in geometry and algebra, but calculus kicked my ass.

Part of that might've been bad professors, though.

[kmeyers]

math = suck

I had an art teacher that tried to teach comparing art to math...we didn't get along at all...I got a new professor.

[Fabian]

I love math, it was my favorite subject. It was also one of the subjects II thought was pretty easy and oculdn't understand why people had troubles with it. Of course, I finished all my math requirements by Junior year in high school, for college too. I'm done with math unless I go into engineering and go for whatever's above Advanced Cal

Its the Japanese

[Buried Alien]

I can't believe I've spent my whole New Year's day upset because of numbers.

And after all the good advice here and an otherwise pretty good day, I'm *still* steaming hot at math.

Oh, God, if I could tell you how math has ruined my entire life from the first day I was taught to count to this very moment.

I wish math were tangible...real...so I could slash it with a lightsaber. Use Dark Force lightning on it. Smash it to atoms and reconstitute it only to smash it again. Do obscene things to it that people get the death penalty for.

Yes, I hate it that much.

I wish I could round up every last number to infinity and put it in some giant poison gas chamber.


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[MacQuarrie]

Nowadays they teach math using manipulatives. Sounds like you should have had that. Get a jar of pennies or a box of legos and work math problems in reality. Practice.

[Buried Alien]

Nowadays they teach math using manipulatives. Sounds like you should have had that. Get a jar of pennies or a box of legos and work math problems in reality. Practice.

Oh, I can do math when I need to, Jim...it's just that I have a seemingly preordained destiny to screw it up (no matter how simple). Even when I know how to do it...I just manage to screw it up somehow. Even the simplest things...like counting. It doesn't get easier than counting, does it? But I screw that up REGULARLY as well.

I don't think I need a math teacher. I think I need a psychologist. I'm hating an abstract universal concept...hating to the point of smashing furniture and thinking murderous thoughts (although I don't know how one would murder a number).

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[Doug Strange]

Jesus, Buried, what the hell happened?

Math has "ruined your life?"

This requires an explanation.

[Buried Alien]

Jesus, Buried, what the hell happened?

Math has "ruined your life?"

This requires an explanation.

I wish I could, Doug. I can't even get it straight myself. It's just that somehow, since I was about four years old, numbers have come between me and every goal I've ever set for myself. Not only that, nearly every personally humiliating moment I've ever had resulted from some conflict involving numbers.

In some cases, I can't go into much detail because I don't remember that well. In other cases, it's too tedious to go into. In yet other cases, it's because this problem is so unique to me that I don't think anybody else would understand it. Most of all, it's because all of the above is too personally embarrassing to discuss.


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[Solaris]

When I've had to tally votes here, this is what I do:

Grab a piece of paper and a pencil. I read each post, and write down each new name and put a mark beside it. When that name gets another vote, I put another mark. Once I've gone through the thread, I count the marks and write a number (for the marks, I use the old system of doing four lines and with the fifth, make a diagonal line through the first four, so they're in groups of "5").

Then, I go back through the thread again and do the same thing on a fresh sheet of paper, and compare the two sheets when done. If they match, yay. If not, I check it again. (And that's why when I vote for something I usually bold my choice---makes it easier for the counting person to spot it in the text.)

Anyhow, don't worry about it, B.A.---and if you want a laugh over it, go read my post in your thread in the back room. ;) It might give you a little breather, and some needed perspective, hon. :)

*hugs*

[Hawk]

I like Math. Not sure if it would be my favorite subject, but I always liked sitting down and solving a complex equation...it was kind of like solving a hard puzzle.

[JadeDragon]

I really do. I hate it. It's silly to hate an abstract concept, but it's given me so much grief over the course of my life that I can't help it. My hatred of math goes to absurd levels. I hate it the way Batman hates criminals with guns. I hate it the way Lex Luthor hates Superman. Hell, I hate it the way Bin Laden hates the West.

I hate, hate, hate numbers.


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Here is a number Im sure you will like!

#21!

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/6558/gcomic6yt.jpg

Just thought Id try to cheer ya up a little.~~~JadeDragon

[Spike-X]

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/6558/gcomic6yt.jpg


That's hilarious!

"I bite you, you bite me..." Love it.

[DDM]

I took Advanced Grammar in college, but I thought it was perverse how similar sentence structure was to math--particularly Algebra! Literally, for most of the semester, we diagrammed sentences. I thought it was fun. I pulled a B though. I thought I deserved an A. Although--despite the parallel--math still gave me headaches. Numbers just throw me off.

[Buried Alien]

Here is a number Im sure you will like!

#21!

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/6558/gcomic6yt.jpg

Just thought Id try to cheer ya up a little.~~~JadeDragon

Heh. Pretty good, thanks, but I liked #s 7 and 8 the most from that series. :)


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[Karl J. Barnes]

I found maths to be pretty easy all the way through school.

Until we got to calculus. Then I hit the wall so hard I don't think I've ever recovered from the shock.

Ditto. Theroms...whaaaaaaaaaaa?

[Pinnacle]

I liked math including calculus until I got to college and became an engineering major. I had already decided that I did not want to be an engineer but I stupidly stuck with the major anyway. Calculus I frightened me but I did manage to pull one of the few As out of the class. Calculus II killed me as I got my first grade lower than a B which was a D. Differentials are the Devil!!! Calculus III wasn't to bad and kind of fun since it was three dimensional and all but I did have a nightmare about it in which I argued with my roommate, who hates math and avoids it at all cost, about a solution which was a real life entity. That's when you really know math is destroying you. I hung on and got another D in Diff. Equations but after that I was finished with it. I became a History/English major. I'm now over my battle with Math but let me tell you Physics was even worse. I love Carl Sagan's books and stuff of that nature but having to actually do it myself I could never get it correct. Have patience and don't let the Math Demons drag you into their frustrating abyss. :)

[Shades0077]

I'm hating an abstract universal concept...hating to the point of smashing furniture and thinking murderous thoughts (although I don't know how one would murder a number).
I think you should talk to 7. Word on the street is that he found out how to do away with 9 in quite the cannibalistic fashion.

[Buried Alien]

One more thing I neglected to mention in my previous math rant: when I see arrangements of numbers, unless they're overwhelmingly simple like a number line or 1st Grade math like 1+1 = 2, then my mind automatically begins to space out. I don't mean just losing interest...I mean *nearly* losing consciousness. I stop thinking PERIOD...not just about math, but about EVERYTHING. The brain just seems to shut down. What kind of reaction is this?


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[mgs]

In the Immortal words of Barbie:

"Math class is hard"
did she really say that bert? O.o

that, is such a wrong message to give to little girls.... :(

[Buried Alien]

This is a stupid question that I probably know the answer to, but I've just GOT to hear it from someone else: does my ability or inability to master math define my entire worth as a human being and, more specifically, as a man?

I'm guessing, "No,", but I feel like people have been subtly drilling "Yes" into my head for my entire life.

Sometimes I hate the people I grew up with. I really do. Maybe that's why I'm such a STAR WARS fan. I want to be Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. I want to embrace evil and the Dark Side and turn against those who were my "allies" when I was young.


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[Sanagi]

This is a stupid question that I probably know the answer to, but I've just GOT to hear it from someone else: does my ability or inability to master math define my entire worth as a human being and, more specifically, as a man?

I'm guessing, "No,", but I feel like people have been subtly drilling "Yes" into my head for my entire life.

Well, a position that extreme was posited by Robert Heinlein(who, it should be noted, was writing in character, albeit in a character who was supposedly very wise) - that a human being unable to cope with math is barely better than a monkey.

I think that's going too far(makes a snappy quote, though). Math is important, to the extent that it is the most fundamental tool for understanding the world and any process in it.

But "the entire worth" of a human being? If anything determines that, it's what a person gives to the people around him or her. You don't need math to make a difference in the world. It can help. But it's not the only thing.

[Loren]

Math defines the universe. Math is truth. You have to overcome your hatred (which is rooted in fear) and embrace reality. Math is your friend.

"That's Mathematics," by Tom Lehrer:

Counting sheep
When you're trying to sleep;
Being fair
When there's something to share;
Being neat
When you're folding a sheet;
That's mathematics

When a ball
Bounces off of a wall;
When you cook
From a recipe book;
When you know
How much money you owe;
That's mathematics

How much gold can you hold in an elephant's ear?
When it's noon on the moon then what time is it here?
If you could count for a year would you get to infinity
Or somewhere in that vicinity?

When you choose
How much postage to use;
When you know
What's the chance it will snow;
When you bet
And you end up in debt;
Oh try as you may
You just can't get away
From mathematics

Andrew Wiles gently smiles
Does his thing and voila
QED we agree
And we all shout hurrah
As he confirms what Fermat
Jotted down in that margin
Which could've used some enlargin'

Tap your feet
Keepin' time to a beat;
Of a song
While you're singing along;
Harmonize
With the rest of the guys;
Yes try as you may
You just can't get away
From mathematics

[Sam A. Robrin]

did she really say that bert? O.o

that, is such a wrong message to give to little girls.... :(Oh, that was just another bimbocratic tempest-in-a-C-cup* designed to attract attention over nothing. When Cosmic Boy said "Wow, that was tough" after math class in Adventure #300, my 8-year-old self identified with it, and found it inspirational that a hero would have trouble with math class, just like I did.

_________________________
And if you don't dry those out afterwards, you know what you have?
Alge-bra!

[bert]

did she really say that bert? O.o

that, is such a wrong message to give to little girls.... :(


heh.

don't you remember the big flap about the talking-teacher Barbie :)

That was one of the quotes that people went into a tizzy over, so it's kinda interesting that you make the same arguement the protesters did to make them change the saying.


(unless you are being sarcastic. . in which case, "Good one")

[Michael P]

heh.

don't you remember the big flap about the talking-teacher Barbie :)

That was one of the quotes that people went into a tizzy over, so it's kinda interesting that you make the same arguement the protesters did to make them change the saying.


(unless you are being sarcastic. . in which case, "Good one")
Honestly, the funniest part of that whole thing was how some Talking Barbies and Talking GI Joes got their voice chips mixed up.

[Buried Alien]

Well, a position that extreme was posited by Robert Heinlein(who, it should be noted, was writing in character, albeit in a character who was supposedly very wise) - that a human being unable to cope with math is barely better than a monkey.

Can I say the same about language? That's a realm that I have mastered.


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[Buried Alien]

But "the entire worth" of a human being? If anything determines that, it's what a person gives to the people around him or her. You don't need math to make a difference in the world. It can help. But it's not the only thing.

For some reason, I've grown to believe that if only I had been skilled in math, I could've been equal to God Himself. Because I can't, I'm lower than dung.

Yes, it's insane, but it's what my upbringing has driven me to.



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[Punchy]

For some reason, I've grown to believe that if only I had been skilled in math, I could've been equal to God Himself. Because I can't, I'm lower than dung.


Not much leeway there, huh?

These posts are pretty intense BA. Please see everyone's advice on your other thread.

[JadeDragon]

Sorry to hear you are still having a bad time with our number buddies, Buried Alien.

Maybe this number will take you back to a happy place.

NUMBER 7:

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/3276/70nt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Peace out, home slice.

:)~~~JadeDragon

[Buried Alien]

Sorry to hear you are still having a bad time with our number buddies, Buried Alien.

Maybe this number will take you back to a happy place.

NUMBER 7:

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/3276/70nt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Peace out, home slice.

:)~~~JadeDragon

That's the very first comic book I ever owned, Jade. Thanks. :)

I still have probably seven or eight copies of it (but not the original one; the closest thing I have is the second copy I owned, which I obtained in February, 1984...I believe I got the original in December, 1977, but I didn't own that one for long). I've got at least two or three complete runs of Marvel's GODZILLA and SHOGUN WARRIORS series...the only complete comics runs (of American comics, anyway) that I have (that are not limited series like CRISIS).








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[JadeDragon]

That's the very first comic book I ever owned, Jade. Thanks. :)

I still have probably seven or eight copies of it (but not the original one; the closest thing I have is the second copy I owned, which I obtained in February, 1984...I believe I got the original in December, 1977, but I didn't own that one for long). I've got at least two or three complete runs of Marvel's GODZILLA and SHOGUN WARRIORS series...the only complete comics runs (of American comics, anyway) that I have (that are not limited series like CRISIS).
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Thats why I always felt a connection with you, Buried. We havent talked much over the years here at CBR, but I always remember you mentioning that you loved Godzilla and Shogun Warriors comics. I havent met too many other comic guys that share my childhood love of those two series. I loved them with all the love a child's heart can muster for such things. These were my favorite comics. I have branched out to other things over the years, but nothing can ever replace that passion I had for completing my runs of these books.

Im curious though. Why did you feel the need to buy multiple copies of these? That idea never occured to me, I guess since I felt that once I had a complete run, I could read them whenever I wanted. Had no plans of selling them EVER or thinking that maybe they might be worth a lot of money some day. What they meant to me was more than that. A place of imagination I could slip into whenever I wanted the world to hold more magic for me.

I dont think it's wierd or anything (Ive bought multiple copies of quite a few comics I loved...including my first memorable X-Men purchase....number 137)....Im just wondering if you remember what prompted you to purchase 3 complete runs of these series. Were you planning to sell off runs at a later date? And did you?

Dang...I am feeling so nostalgic right now, especially for the Shogun Warriors, which I havent looked through in YEARS. I sure loved Herb Trimpe. And Doug Moench. Did I spell that right?

Thanks, man.~~~JadeDragon

[Buried Alien]

Thats why I always felt a connection with you, Buried. We havent talked much over the years here at CBR, but I always remember you mentioning that you loved Godzilla and Shogun Warriors comics. I havent met too many other comic guys that share my childhood love of those two series. I loved them with all the love a child's heart can muster for such things. These were my favorite comics. I have branched out to other things over the years, but nothing can ever replace that passion I had for completing my runs of these books.

Im curious though. Why did you feel the need to buy multiple copies of these? That idea never occured to me, I guess since I felt that once I had a complete run, I could read them whenever I wanted. Had no plans of selling them EVER or thinking that maybe they might be worth a lot of money some day. What they meant to me was more than that. A place of imagination I could slip into whenever I wanted the world to hold more magic for me.

I dont think it's wierd or anything (Ive bought multiple copies of quite a few comics I loved...including my first memorable X-Men purchase....number 137)....Im just wondering if you remember what prompted you to purchase 3 complete runs of these series. Were you planning to sell off runs at a later date? And did you?

Dang...I am feeling so nostalgic right now, especially for the Shogun Warriors, which I havent looked through in YEARS. I sure loved Herb Trimpe. And Doug Moench. Did I spell that right?

Thanks, man.~~~JadeDragon

I'm not planning to sell either. There's not much profit to be made from selling them (the issues still floating out there can still be found in quarter bins even in near-pristine condition), and demand for them is minimal. It's a collector's thing, I suppose...I've got a sentimental attachment to those books. I have one reading set that I can trash the heck out of, and all the other sets just sit there and look pristine, I suppose. :)

Those books weren't bad gateways to the rest of the Marvel Universe. It was through GODZILLA and SHOGUN WARRIORS that I first learned who the Fantastic Four and the Avengers were.

I always did wish that the Shoguns could've squared off against Red Ronin, though. Could Tony Stark and SHIELD's Shogun-equivalent have handled the real things? I wonder if Stark's stuff was good enough to compete against the Followers of the Light's.

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[JadeDragon]

I always did wish that the Shoguns could've squared off against Red Ronin, though. Could Tony Stark and SHIELD's Shogun-equivalent have handled the real things? I wonder if Stark's stuff was good enough to compete against the Followers of the Light's.

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EeGyads, man. Yeah, I had the same exact fantasy. I always wondered how Red Ronin would fare against Dangaurd Ace, Combatra, and Raydeen (Crap...am I even spelling that right?). But Red Ronin couldnt transform into other modes or split into 5 different ships or anything, so he didnt have a chance. He had the cool sword/shield but I dont think that could compete.

I also wondered how a GODZILLA vs SHOGUN WARRIORS comic would have played out. That would have been sweet. But the thing that bugged me the most was the whole licensing issue in Godzilla. I wanted to see Godzilla fight King Ghidora and Rodan in the comic. And all the other Kaiju. I think that would have really made that comic a true adaptation of the films I loved. But they werent able to do that thanks to silly arguments based on license issues. Too bad, since I think that would have sent the comics into a whole other arena of coolness.

Im just wishful thinking out loud now. Heh! Thanks for giving me this moment of wonderful nostalgia, Buried!

[venuscameback]

I wish I could round up every last number to infinity and put it in some giant poison gas chamber


see, that wouldn't work mate, sorry.

there'd still be one gas chamber in a 'fought World War 2' country protected by three guards who get four times the pay of the four cleaners who only get five dollars for every sixty minutes and send 50% of it home to their six brothers and sisters who still live in Fo(u)rmosa and who are in Seventh heaven when the cheques arrive. By eight o'clock they are already in a queue of nine people waiting for the bank to open at ten past eleven. but they'll wait until the twelfth of never because the bank collapsed overnight, just as friday the thirteenth dawned. Fourteen directors had been fiddling the accounts, and fifteen policemen are now working the case and ... well, enough of that

so even if you poision every last number, there will still be just as many left






"join the dark force, Buried Alien *cue evil laugh* because there is no escape


from NUMBERS!!!!"



venus

[Paradox]

Hmmmm...does this have anything to do with "living up to a stereotype"?

We certainly kid my roomie's Vietnamese boyfriend about being so inept with a computer, but he doesn't seem to take it badly.