The poll about whether sexism is still in an issue where you live

[brettc1]

Spinning off from the gender politics thread, this poll is just to acculate raw data on what posters here think regarding the issue of sexism in the country they are from.

The poll asks you to vote on whether you see it as significant in your locale, and also asks you whether you are a male or female voter. We'll keep the identities of voters secret for this one.

For the sake of clarity, let us say that a significant social issue is one that affects equal to or more than 5% of the population. This will account for countries with large variations in social norms across states/territories/etc. So while you live in an area that might be largely unaffected, you might recognize that there are places in your home country where the situation is markedly different.

The 5% figure is a totally arbitrary figure that just seems reasonable to me for the sake of the poll. It means basically that if you live in a country of 20 million and a million people were discriminated against, that would be considered significant for the purposes of looking at the country as a whole in this survey. Personally, I think discrimination against ANY NUMBER of people is significant, but please remember that is in the context of entire countries and if I just said "Is there anyone in your country who is affected by sexism?" then it would be pointless conducting the poll.

So vote. :smile:

PS Aegis I thought for the sake of getting lots of votes we could have this thread as seperate, and then maybe your brilliant self might think of a way to merge the poll into the other gender thread if everyone is agreeable :cool:


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[jelebino]

It's a tricky one, Brett, because in Melbourne I've known so many examples of non-discrimination policy in institutional contexts, I've come to expect it.

But I think the policies are part of a slow fight that's gradually being won for equality. Meanwhile, petty sexism abides.

[dupersuper]

I voted no for now. If Harper has his way though...

[carabas]

I live on planet earth, so, eh, hell yes. Stupid question, really. No offence.

[Silvermoth]

It's a tricky one, Brett, because in Melbourne I've known so many examples of non-discrimination policy in institutional contexts, I've come to expect it.

But I think the policies are part of a slow fight that's gradually being won for equality. Meanwhile, petty sexism abides.

I also live in Melbourne and you're right. If you talk to the average guys there's always this "ladies business" sort of mode of thought. I think in Australia though there's more of a problem of sexism against men not politically but socially. Australian men are always being told they have to constantly prove their masculinity which usually fits in to a dumb, neanderthal kind of stereotype.

It's not a political thing, it's a social thing. Men are constantly told that they have to do things, be tough, remove the lids off sauce bottles, avoid watching or enjoying shows or music that could make them seem "gay". It's the saddest form of discrimination. Internal discrimination.

[Death by Mime]

For the sake of clarity, let us say that a significant social issue is one that affects equal to or more than 5% of the population.

Hey fyi this is a terrible metric because it doesn't take into account scale, intensity, frequency, etc. If I believe literally every person on earth will be affected by sexism at least once in their lives, but also believe that the overall impact of sexism is really minor, I would still have to answer yes to the question as it is phrased. (I don't actually believe this)

As it is people are probably just going to make up their own definition of "significant social issue" and answer yes or no to that.

[TripleX]

Are y'all still on this? From where I'm sitting the answer is "NO". My girl makes 3 times what I make. She demanded to know what she was getting for Valentine's Day, I asked her what I was getting. She said nothing because my birthday is two days later. I called her at work Monday to tell her HVD and that I left her a message on facebook. She replied "What? that's all I'm getting?" I let her think that, but brought her gifts over later in the day. I told her 4 times "Happy Valentine's Day" and every time I barely got a thank you. I asked what was up with that, she said, "it's not leap year, you don't get to celebrate until then" I was like "WTF?" I'm still pissed about it! Tonight's bullshit dinner at Red Lobster is NOT going to make up for it! That's why she's not coming to my real birthday dinner Saturday night at PF Chang's! :evilangry:Sorry, I had to vent.

So again, my answer is NO! :biggrin:

[bathoz]

That sucks, TripleX but doesn't have a lot to do with misogyny.

Sadly, misandry exists. Double standards exist. But that doesn't suddenly excuse misogyny or make it so that it doesn't exist.

I'm always on the look out for misandry. I always check for double standards on things like reproductive issues, sexual assault issues, child custody & relationships. Because all too often the assumptions in those areas are very negative to men, and aren't examined in the same 'fair' light as feminist issues. And they should be.

But, again, their existence doesn't mean it's all suddenly fine for women. Not even a little.

[Gaelforce]

Based simply on wage statistics around the world and in the US, I voted yes.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/the-gender-wage-gap-around-the-world/

[brettc1]

I live on planet earth, so, eh, hell yes. Stupid question, really. No offence.

None taken. But since some people seem to say no, the question seems to justify itself.

[brettc1]

Hey fyi this is a terrible metric because it doesn't take into account scale, intensity, frequency, etc. If I believe literally every person on earth will be affected by sexism at least once in their lives, but also believe that the overall impact of sexism is really minor, I would still have to answer yes to the question as it is phrased. (I don't actually believe this)

As it is people are probably just going to make up their own definition of "significant social issue" and answer yes or no to that.

This is absolutely true and I knew that going in. The question is really about perception, rather than measuring numbers of instances and different ways sexims might be manifest. I'm not runnning a doctoral thesis here and didn't take hours considering the question, but to clarify I would say that significant would mean sustained over a long period and insuch a way as to cause noticeable emotional and/or physical distress.

But again, even that is a fairly broad descriptive and I'm not trying for a research grant here. :wink:

[bathoz]

It's part of the circular argument of the whole patriarchy thing, but certain strident feminists would see the votes of "no" by males as pretty damning in and of themselves.

[brettc1]

It's part of the circular argument of the whole patriarchy thing, but certain strident feminists would see the votes of "no" by males as pretty damning in and of themselves.

I wouldn't say damning, but certainly the the fact that with 18 votes cast all of the 8 no votes are male is interesting from a sociological perspective.

[dshipp17]

Even though I try to see an even balance in this argument by trying to introduce, look for, or get arguments on the males' side to counterpoint the flood of arguments on the female side from feminism to mainstream, in all honesty, in my area, I have to say that this issue is pretty much completely eliminated from an official organized fashion in say corporate and business settings, but is very much in place at the individual level, perhaps giving the illusion that this issue has been eliminated from the corporate and business setting; although I currently live in the southeastern part of the United States, having only recently moved here from the Pacific Northwest, I see this as quite prevalent everywhere I go within the US. It is so prevalent that I would have to say a sense of acceptance has developed, particularly where I live, and people just learn to 'know their place', and I'm using that term as a multiracial person in the southeastern part of the U.S, feeling the pressures in other ways, but I felt that pressure in the Pacific Northwest, also, where racial discrimination in terms of the job application process and employment is perhaps the most blatant in the US, meaning in the Pacific Northwest, as odd as that might seem. And, unfortunately, because addressing these issues at the more individual level is much tougher, the sexism issue will probably linger in my part of the country for years to come, notwithstanding that it will need to be removed from the rest of the country in years to come. However, what I have noticed, is the development of misandry all over the place as a counter, with emerging policies and laws being motivated by misandry, meaning that a revolutionary conflict is possibly starting to brew, although men, whether than responding to their defense, just suppress their response, or try to agree with a lot of the feminist arguments out there, at least in public. Privately, in relationships with their female significant others, well, that might be another story, as this atmosphere of accepting one's place publicly is strongly there. :wink:

[Bound4olympus]

Are y'all still on this? From where I'm sitting the answer is "NO". My girl makes 3 times what I make. She demanded to know what she was getting for Valentine's Day, I asked her what I was getting. She said nothing because my birthday is two days later. I called her at work Monday to tell her HVD and that I left her a message on facebook. She replied "What? that's all I'm getting?" I let her think that, but brought her gifts over later in the day. I told her 4 times "Happy Valentine's Day" and every time I barely got a thank you. I asked what was up with that, she said, "it's not leap year, you don't get to celebrate until then" I was like "WTF?" I'm still pissed about it! Tonight's bullshit dinner at Red Lobster is NOT going to make up for it! That's why she's not coming to my real birthday dinner Saturday night at PF Chang's! :evilangry:Sorry, I had to vent.

So again, my answer is NO! :biggrin:

Lol. Do you have the same feelings about racism in the US as well? give us a very specific and personal example to prove your broader point.

[Nyssane]

Are y'all still on this? From where I'm sitting the answer is "NO". My girl makes 3 times what I make. She demanded to know what she was getting for Valentine's Day, I asked her what I was getting. She said nothing because my birthday is two days later. I called her at work Monday to tell her HVD and that I left her a message on facebook. She replied "What? that's all I'm getting?" I let her think that, but brought her gifts over later in the day. I told her 4 times "Happy Valentine's Day" and every time I barely got a thank you. I asked what was up with that, she said, "it's not leap year, you don't get to celebrate until then" I was like "WTF?" I'm still pissed about it! Tonight's bullshit dinner at Red Lobster is NOT going to make up for it! That's why she's not coming to my real birthday dinner Saturday night at PF Chang's! :evilangry:Sorry, I had to vent.

So again, my answer is NO! :biggrin:

...Exactly why are you dating her? You always make her sound so unappealing.

[MartinRedmond]

Yeah, I think you can do better.

[TripleX]

Thanks for all the Happy Birthdays. Damn.

[jason_w]

Thanks for all the Happy Birthdays. Damn.

Happy Birthday! :smile:

[TripleX]

...Exactly why are you dating her? You always make her sound so unappealing.

She's hood rich, beautiful, classy and accepted by my family, some of my others weren't. She's ALWAYS there for me whenever I need her and she's intelligent. Arguing with her ass is a lot of fun, our friends call us "the Bickersons".

[TripleX]

Happy Birthday! :smile:

Thanks! :smile: I'm not trying to hijack Bret's thread though, but preciate it.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

...Exactly why are you dating her?

The man actually LIKES the Star Wars prequels.

What does that say about his tastes? :wink:

[TripleX]

No, I like "Revenge of the Sith" get it right, and at least I've had sex this week. All you prolly had was the buffet dinner at Golden Coral.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

No, I like "Revenge of the Sith" get it right, and at least I've had sex this week. All you prolly had was the buffet dinner at Golden Coral.

- Objection, your honor! Hearsay!

[LEADER DESSLOK]

This poll confirms what polls of this type usually reveals, that a person who isn't part of the "affected" group, "doesn't see a problem"! What did you hope to achieve by this?

[thwhtGuardian]

This poll confirms what polls of this type usually reveals, that a person who isn't part of the "affected" group, "doesn't see a problem"! What did you hope to achieve by this?

I don't see that at all, both male options for Yes and No have the same amount of votes so I don't see any confirmation that not being a part of the "affected" group has any impact on whether or not they see sexism as a problem. The results are wholly inconclusive in that regard, and I see no way for it to be interpreted any other way. I'm not going to say gender doesn't influence ones perception of the issue, only that this poll doesn't illustrate that at all.

[LEADER DESSLOK]

The man actually LIKES the Star Wars prequels.

What does that say about his tastes? :wink:

I ALSO like the STAR WARS: PREQUEL TRILOGY! The onlyone I had a problem with was The Phantam Menace and that was due to Jar-Jar Binks! But guess, what? When I bought the DVD and activated the close caption function, I found that when I read his dialogue, HE WAS very funny! Lucas scrwewed up by not giving Jar-Jar and the other Gundams sub-titles the way he did with Jabba the Hut!

What does it say about the contributer's tastes? It shows that he can think for himself and not give a crap about what the rest of "the herd" thinks!
For years I used to say that "Empire" was the best of the Original Trilogy and would always have to debate somebody--now many people agree with me!


By the way, REVENGE OF THE SITH is now my favorite of the Six!

[LEADER DESSLOK]

I don't see that at all, both male options for Yes and No have the same amount of votes so I don't see any confirmation that not being a part of the "affected" group has any impact on whether or not they see sexism as a problem. The results are wholly inconclusive in that regard, and I see no way for it to be interpreted any other way. I'm not going to say gender doesn't influence ones perception of the issue, only that this poll doesn't illustrate that at all.

I misread the results. Thanks, good call on that one!

[Donna M.]

I live on planet earth, so, eh, hell yes. Stupid question, really. No offence.

Aw man, you stole my answer! :tongue:

[Michael P]

I live on planet earth, so, eh, hell yes. Stupid question, really. No offence.

I have to agree. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either kidding themselves or painfully unaware.

[AaronJ]

Sexism? No. Not in any socially relevant and entrenched way, at least. Racism is a far bigger, more prevalent problem where I live (the Detroit area). Also, there are huge class problems, with massive numbers of homeless and large numbers of people living in luxury.

So, given all that, sexism is something that really doesn't come up very often.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I ALSO like the STAR WARS: PREQUEL TRILOGY! The onlyone I had a problem with was The Phantam Menace and that was due to Jar-Jar Binks! But guess, what? When I bought the DVD and activated the close caption function, I found that when I read his dialogue, HE WAS very funny! Lucas scrwewed up by not giving Jar-Jar and the other Gundams sub-titles the way he did with Jabba the Hut!

What does it say about the contributer's tastes? It shows that he can think for himself and not give a crap about what the rest of "the herd" thinks!
For years I used to say that "Empire" was the best of the Original Trilogy and would always have to debate somebody--now many people agree with me!


By the way, REVENGE OF THE SITH is now my favorite of the Six!

This posts explains so many things!:biggrin:

[brettc1]

Thanks! :smile: I'm not trying to hijack Bret's thread though, but preciate it.

Happy Birthday X. :smile:

And dont be worried about that - I feel like I pretty much 'jacked Hunter - oops. :eek:

[brettc1]

This poll confirms what polls of this type usually reveals, that a person who isn't part of the "affected" group, "doesn't see a problem"! What did you hope to achieve by this?

Knowledge in an attempt to increase understanding.

Since you like the prequel trilogy, I'm sure the saying "Your perception defines your reality." will not be lost on you. :wink:

[AaronJ]

Knowledge in an attempt to increase understanding.


Well, non-scientific polls where those polled choose to be included don't really grant much knowledge of any kind.

[Zagreus]

I see a lot of sexism. I live in the Philadelphia area, and have worked in human services for many years. I am now a practicing psychotherapist. 75% percent of my colleagues are women. Men, however, are almost always promoted to director level positions and above. I've seen this in nearly all the human services agencies I have worked for. I'm a man, and I'm a clinical director/psychotherapist. The directors and executives are a bunch of cigar smoking dudes... I don't know if this is just how it goes with human services folks in the philly area or what, but I can honestly say, I'm not sure if I'd be where I am right now if I wasn't a guy (at least in this company). So, yeah, sexism is alive and well here.

[brettc1]

Well, non-scientific polls where those polled choose to be included don't really grant much knowledge of any kind.

You could say the thing about a democratic process where people choose whether not to vote.

The fact that people feel motivated is in itself interesting. :smile:

[AaronJ]

You could say the thing about a democratic process where people choose whether not to vote.

The fact that people feel motivated is in itself interesting. :smile:

The democratic process isn't meant to provide knowledge. It's sole purpose is to allow those who qualify for voting to select their elected officials. Those officials then proceed to govern (well or poorly, that's not really the point).

But a poll is meant to garner some sort of information, to increase knowledge. And self-selecting voting only tells you who is drawn to the particular question. It doesn't tell you anything about the subject at hand.

[americanwonder]

And can give you false information - does false info increase knowledge?

eta: Still, it can give you some idea that of those who are here, and of those who chose to vote, this is how they fell about the subject. Not the clearest picture, but not entirely without merit either. Just have to be careful not to read too much into things.

[zryson]

do i think its an issue yes. in many countries around the world women are treated less than equal, and well that sucks. i have no room in my life for sexism. to me everyone is equal. even if other people dont agree.

[dupersuper]

I don't see that at all, both male options for Yes and No have the same amount of votes so I don't see any confirmation that not being a part of the "affected" group has any impact on whether or not they see sexism as a problem. The results are wholly inconclusive in that regard, and I see no way for it to be interpreted any other way. I'm not going to say gender doesn't influence ones perception of the issue, only that this poll doesn't illustrate that at all.

Yeah; it certainly illustrates how many more guys than gals are on CBR though.

[Ben D]

Of course. I live in the Bay Area, the Oakland side. That should say enough, really :frown:

[brettc1]

The democratic process isn't meant to provide knowledge. It's sole purpose is to allow those who qualify for voting to select their elected officials. Those officials then proceed to govern (well or poorly, that's not really the point).

But a poll is meant to garner some sort of information, to increase knowledge. And self-selecting voting only tells you who is drawn to the particular question. It doesn't tell you anything about the subject at hand.

What an interesting idea. I thought the democratic process was to provide knowledge on who the people think should form government. :wink:

Already, this poll has shown that while there are those who will say that sexism is no longer significant in a broad social context, there are at least equal numbers among the posters here who are prepared to disagree. This shows that not all people have an equal perception about the degree to which sexism impacts on society in their various homelands.

I am generally interested in what people think, because from there you can move on to why they think it.

[brettc1]

And can give you false information - does false info increase knowledge?

eta: Still, it can give you some idea that of those who are here, and of those who chose to vote, this is how they fell about the subject. Not the clearest picture, but not entirely without merit either. Just have to be careful not to read too much into things.

Yes. Any peice of data should always be the subject of critical analaysis. Statistics can be made to prove anything.

[AaronJ]

What an interesting idea. I thought the democratic process was to provide knowledge on who the people think should form government. :wink:

Already, this poll has shown that while there are those who will say that sexism is no longer significant in a broad social context, there are at least equal numbers among the posters here who are prepared to disagree. This shows that not all people have an equal perception about the degree to which sexism impacts on society in their various homelands.

I am generally interested in what people think, because from there you can move on to why they think it.

I think you and I could have predicted the results beforehand, frankly.

[brettc1]

I think you and I could have predicted the results beforehand, frankly.

Perhaps. But why do you feel that folks have voted this way? There is certainly an unscientific amount of ambiguity in the question, I will be the first to admit.

[AaronJ]

Perhaps. But why do you feel that folks have voted this way? There is certainly an unscientific amount of ambiguity in the question, I will be the first to admit.

I think most people probably do believe that society is sexist. But there's a decent percentage of people who also feel it's a small problem. *shrug*

[brettc1]

I think most people probably do believe that society is sexist. But there's a decent percentage of people who also feel it's a small problem. *shrug*

So the question then becomes why do those people feel that way.

Also, I was non-specific as to the type of sexism. I think there are people who have posted on the forum who would argue strongly that there are instances of sexism against men.

[AaronJ]

So the question then becomes why do those people feel that way.

Also, I was non-specific as to the type of sexism. I think there are people who have posted on the forum who would argue strongly that there are instances of sexism against men.

Except that, lately, this board is starting to feel far more like a (particularly poor) sociology class, rather than a message board about Wonder Woman.

I don't get it. I'm sure others do. But if I wanted to go back to school, I would enroll, and be taught by actual professors.

[jason_w]

Except that, lately, this board is starting to feel far more like a (particularly poor) sociology class, rather than a message board about Wonder Woman.

I don't get it. I'm sure others do. But if I wanted to go back to school, I would enroll, and be taught by actual professors.

QFT.

Lately it seems like everybody feels the need to show off their edumication.

It's sucking the fun out of the board.

[ChrisDonaghy]

So the question then becomes why do those people feel that way.

Also, I was non-specific as to the type of sexism. I think there are people who have posted on the forum who would argue strongly that there are instances of sexism against men.

I think you are conflating sexism and misandry, which is a mistake. There is a significant difference between the two, as there is between bigotry and racism.

The difference is the power necessary to create a sexist or racist system. It simply doesn't exist on any significant scale for men to be subject to sexism. This doesn't mean American women can't be misandrous, or African Americans bigoted, but they simply CANNOT be sexist or racist. They do not have the power to do what white males did for centuries before now.

If people on these boards want to argue that, they can, but they do not have a strong argument, because it is drawn on the common ignorance of what the words being thrown around actually mean. And ignorance is never a position of strength.

[brettc1]

I think you are conflating sexism and misandry, which is a mistake. There is a significant difference between the two, as there is between bigotry and racism.

The difference is the power necessary to create a sexist or racist system. It simply doesn't exist on any significant scale for men to be subject to sexism. This doesn't mean American women can't be misandrous, or African Americans bigoted, but they simply CANNOT be sexist or racist. They do not have the power to do what white males did for centuries before now.



So Chris, would you argue then that he fact that they do NOT have the power to impose an unfair system is evidence that sexism exists?

[americanwonder]

Chris, it's so good to see you again. :smile:

Your point about power is a good one. Yet, I don't know where you're getting your definitions of sexism and/or racism. Sure, African-Americans don't have enough power in the US to make the whole system racist against others (whether that's Caucasions, Asians, etc.), but an individual, or group of individuals, can. For instance, let's say the person(s) in charge of hiring (or promotions or admissions to school or whatever) doesn't like Asians for whatever reason. As such, he/she can choose to not hire Asians, and instead hire an African-American at every opportunity. Would that not still be racist?

Same can be said for women in positions of power. They may not be able to control the whole system in the country, making it sexist against men (though I'm sure some would argue that). Yet, they can use their position to discriminate against men, within their sphere of influence, no?

[Javier Velasco]

People who think that sexism isn't still an issue where they live, just need to open their radar.

I will always remember 5 years ago, when my enlightened, masters-degree-in-computer science, older brother matter-of-factly stated that he was not going to waste his money sending his oldest child (his straight-A-in-school daughter) to college, because he needed to save his money to send his three younger kids (his sons) to college instead. His reasoning was that since she was a woman, she was going to end up getting married and her husband would support her. His sons, on the other hand, needed to go to college because THEY would have families to support.

And to this day, he still believes he was correct in his thinking.

So I am quite sure that there is SOMEONE in your sphere, someone who you would least expect, who would surprise you with their thinking as regards men and women.

Oh by the way, my parents and I helped my niece through college.

[AaronJ]

People who think that sexism isn't still an issue where they live, just need to open their radar.

I will always remember 5 years ago, when my enlightened, masters-degree-in-computer science, older brother matter-of-factly stated that he was not going to waste his money sending his oldest child (his straight-A-in-school daughter) to college, because he needed to save his money to send his three younger kids (his sons) to college instead. His reasoning was that since she was a woman, she was going to end up getting married and her husband would support her. His sons, on the other hand, needed to go to college because THEY would have families to support.

And to this day, he still believes he was correct in his thinking.

So I am quite sure that there is SOMEONE in your sphere, someone who you would least expect, who would surprise you with their thinking as regards men and women.

Oh by the way, my parents and I helped my niece through college.

So, because your brother feels a certain a way, then that means that sexism is a big problem where I live?

Sorry, but it isn't. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that it's not a big deal. There are numerous rare diseases, for instance, that people in the Western world can still get. It's just, compared to all the other problems, they aren't much of a concern.

Where I live, as I said earlier, racism and class problems are far more prevalent problems.

Oh, and as far as college goes? Most graduates in the United States are women.

[Javier Velasco]

So, because your brother feels a certain a way, then that means that sexism is a big problem where I live?

Sorry, but it isn't. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that it's not a big deal. There are numerous rare diseases, for instance, that people in the Western world can still get. It's just, compared to all the other problems, they aren't much of a concern.

Where I live, as I said earlier, racism and class problems are far more prevalent problems.

Oh, and as far as college goes? Most graduates in the United States are women.

No Aaron, the point I was making is that sexism tends to be less obvious than racism or class problems. Or just as likely, we have gotten used to seeing it as "just the way it is." Just look at sports.

The amount of money that is spent on men's sports versus women's sports in public schools, colleges, and the professional arena is totally out of whack.

The same can even be said of women's prison's versus men's prisons. Women's prisons often get half as much $$$ per prisoner as men's prisons.

Could you imagine a prison or school saying that it would spend half as much on a black student as a white student?

These things may not be a "concern" to you, but they effect girls and women on a daily basis. Just because women are not running out on the street in gangs and killing men, doesn't mean that it isn't an issue.

Quite often, that is exactly the reason why sexism continues to exist as pervasively as it does. "Well, its not right, but it isn't as serious as this other "ism" problem that we have."

[Javier Velasco]

I would suggest the following...

Try to remember the last instance of sexism you observed.
Then ask the closest women to you, when they last felt or observed sexism.

The difference may surprise you.

[AaronJ]

No Aaron, the point I was making is that sexism tends to be less obvious than racism or class problems. Or just as likely, we have gotten used to seeing it as "just the way it is." Just look at sports.

The amount of money that is spent on men's sports versus women's sports in public schools, colleges, and the professional arena is totally out of whack.

Actually, you have that backwards. At least in the United States.

Since Title IX was enacted, women's sports programs have exploded at colleges. But none of them bring in revenue. Therefore, football, the largest program at most universities (in some cases basketball) have revenue shifted to support the non-revenue producing programs, many of which are women's sports.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But that's the way it is.


The same can even be said of women's prison's versus men's prisons. Women's prisons often get half as much $$$ per prisoner as men's prisons.


I'm not sure what the figure is now, but back when I worked in a law office, that wasn't true. Also, women's prisons are often smaller institutions, so unless you're talking about per capita, as opposed to gross funding, that would make sense.


Could you imagine a prison or school saying that it would spend half as much on a black student as a white student?

No, because that would be illegal. It would also be illegal, under Title IX, to do that to a woman at a university.


These things may not be a "concern" to you, but they effect girls and women on a daily basis. Just because women are not running out on the street in gangs and killing men, doesn't mean that it isn't an issue.

There are 5 high schools, public and private, where I live. There has never, to my knowledge, been a claim that girls get less funding. Actually, I'm not even sure how one would go about doing that.

Girls graduate high school at a higher rate than boys do, as well. And more young women are enrolled in college than young men.

So, where is this education gap?


Quite often, that is exactly the reason why sexism continues to exist as pervasively as it does. "Well, its not right, but it isn't as serious as this other "ism" problem that we have."

Except for the fact that what you are describing is not the modern world in the United States.

[LEADER DESSLOK]

Knowledge in an attempt to increase understanding.

Since you like the prequel trilogy, I'm sure the saying "Your perception defines your reality." will not be lost on you. :wink:

ThwhtGuardian already called me on this. I misread the results and responded in a kneejerk (or rather jerk) fashion. I am pleased to see my initial response was incorrect.

Yup, I love the prequels! I had a Star Wars Geekathon one Thanksgiving and saw ALL six! I decided that Anakin was a more interesting character than Luke or Han! Looking at it, I see why Lucas cast the inexperienced Christiansen--he looks like he really could have been Luke's father!

[TripleX]

Thanks for the "H.B." Brett.

I changed my mind about Valentine's Day, my girl took me out to dinner for my birthday and got me a black winter Polo jacket with a red pony. It matches the Polo boots I got for Christmas. Too bad it was 70 degrees today, I'm still happy than a mug though. :smile:

[LEADER DESSLOK]

So the question then becomes why do those people feel that way.

Also, I was non-specific as to the type of sexism. I think there are people who have posted on the forum who would argue strongly that there are instances of sexism against men.

And one also has to take into consideration the amount of women who actually PRACTICE SEXISM themselves! We are readers. We read comics and in one respect we don't represent the majority. Among various so-called "minority" groups, there exists the concept of the "sellout" or "inhouse-" racist who operates against his or her "own" group. Likewise, within the so-called "Bible believing" Christian community, there are WOMEN (who are probably NOT comic book readers and less likely to vote in this survey) who think "Feminists" and others who work for gender equality, don't speak for them! They are perceived by these women as against "family values"! In short, many of these women are the very ones who see Sarah Palin as a "heroine" who has been unfairly treated by the "Liberal" media! So in effect, the opposers of gender-equality are NOT always male and the allies not necessarily female!

[brettc1]

It's true that as people who read comics we may fall into a minority group, but looked at as a whole I would say the folks who post here cover a wide variety of demographics regarding culture, ethnicity, emplyment, race, family background, etc

[Silver_Leopard]

In the state I am living in right now, there are very religious people. They involve themselves with the Christian life which is similar to puritans. The problem is that their women are suppose to be like sub-servant while we do most of the work. I have seen this in small towns of the state. The city I am in gives some evidence of that (because some people who go to school come from those areas).

It seems like the more ethical way to deal with things is to live with it and some people just seem to get angry and bitter about life itself.

I see it as a old saying, "When in doubt, leave!"

So yeah, I see it in small cracks of the hole, but the sad thing is, will they ever escape?