Why do people complain about the way Rob Liefeld draws feet?

[Ben D]

hello people

this may seem like a weird thread, but after looking at some Rob Liefeld jokes I actually started to look at a bunch of feet in comics to prove how bad Liefeld was at drawing them.



it turns out most comic book artists suck at drawing feet actually.

Just saying out of all the fair criticisms of Liefeld that one, while most common, is actually the least fair.

[Matt Algren]

Usually people talk about how he doesn't draw feet.

And I'm not sure it's the most common critique.

[napafish77]

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld4.html


http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/bill10.jpg




From the same website


Oh man, this has EVERYTHING and then some. You’ve got the terrible feet AND feet being blocked, the terrible grasp of anatomy (check out David Bowie there with the ridiculous elongated neck all offset onto one of her shoulders, arms different lengths, like nine feet tall, and the coup de grace, both legs forming one ridiculous slender leg. Look at the knees! THAT IS ONLY ONE LEG).

This is a tremendous example of Liefeld’s knack of drawing people interacting with things but not actually drawn as such. You’ve got Cable sitting on some kind of hover…bike? And his foot isn’t touching it at all, and his hand is just kinda noncommittally NEAR any supposed controls. I swear Liefeld probably drew Cable standing on the dock, crouched and ready, then looked down and said “Whoops! Heh, got a little more page down at the bottom there!” /scribble scribble

[Spike-X]

To be fair, it's not just feet. People complain about the way Rob Liefeld draws everything (i.e. badly).

[howyadoin]

it turns out most comic book artists suck at drawing feet actually.I've seen plenty who can draw feet. Can you name many who can't?

[Duy]

In order to avoid drawing feet naturally, he draws them standing on their TIPTOES.

[the4thpip]

According to CBR's "Comic Book Legends Revealed", Rob handed in the art for the later issues of Hawk and Dove without any hands or feet and had inker Karl Kesel draw them in for him entirely.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/03/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-136/

[Ben D]

I've seen plenty who can draw feet. Can you name many who can't?

Jim Lee. Humberto Ramos. Marc Silvestri. Matthew Clark.

[Ben D]

To be fair, it's not just feet. People complain about the way Rob Liefeld draws everything (i.e. badly).

true. very very true.


except for shatterstar every once and a while for some reason.

[jesse_custer]

Jim Lee. Humberto Ramos. Marc Silvestri. Matthew Clark.

You set the bar low, don't you?

[Ben D]

You set the bar low, don't you?

John Byrne, Ivan Reis, Ethan Van Sciver.


The only ones who actually draw them correct or close enough are Dave Gibbons, Perez (and follower Jimenez), Adams and Ross

[Lord Bravery]

I wouldn't say Liefeld's inability to draw feet is his biggest fault.

His inability to draw humans with correct anatomy and proportions in general are.

Do I have to bring out that infamous Captain America drawing?

[Ben D]

I wouldn't say Liefeld's inability to draw feet is his biggest fault.

His inability to draw humans with correct anatomy and proportions in general are.

Do I have to bring out that infamous Captain America drawing?

You don't have to...


but it would be hilarious to look at. :cool:

[Lord Bravery]

Well to be fair to Eradicaar, his feet, if you can call them that, do get a lot of flack. But they are definitely not the biggest problem with his work.

And just for shits and giggles...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh66/Madame1to66/RedAnd%20Knockout/liefeld_cap_thumb_sm.jpg

[Adam C]

John Byrne, Ivan Reis, Ethan Van Sciver.


Again, setting the bar fairly low.


The only ones who actually draw them correct or close enough are Dave Gibbons, Perez (and follower Jimenez), Adams and Ross

I don't know Doug Mankhe, Frank Quitely, Jamie Hernandez, Darwyn Cooke, Cameron Stewart, Alan Davis (and Bryan Hitch), Steve Dillon, Paul Duffield, Darick Robertson, J.H. Williams, John Romita Jr (though his feet are bit overlong and blocky), Dale Eaglesham, etc, etc... seem to draw feet well enough. And that's just a few artists who are still drawing.

Of course I have trouble drawing feet, so I can understand an artist have problem with that. However, the solution to that is to look at examples of feet and draw them, as well as have a drawing book handy that lays out some useful principles for doing so. Liefield's laziness is pretty inexcusable.

[Ben D]

I don't know Doug Mankhe, Frank Quitely, Jamie Hernandez, Darwyn Cooke, Cameron Stewart, Alan Davis (and Bryan Hitch), Steve Dillon, Paul Duffield, Darick Robertson, J.H. Williams, John Romita Jr (though his feet are bit overlong and blocky), Dale Eaglesham, etc, etc... seem to draw feet well enough. And that's just a few artists who are still drawing.

Of course I have trouble drawing feet, so I can understand an artist have problem with that. However, the solution to that is to look at examples of feet and draw them, as well as have a drawing book handy that lays out some useful principles for doing so. Liefield's laziness is pretty inexcusable.

Doug Mahnke, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Davis and Bryan Hitch aren't good at drawing feet either.

[Jeff Brady]

Doug Mahnke, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Davis and Bryan Hitch aren't good at drawing feet either.

Wow. Considering Hitch uses photo reference, you're wrong on at least that one.

[Spike-X]

Well to be fair to Eradicaar, his feet, if you can call them that, do get a lot of flack. But they are definitely not the biggest problem with his work.

And just for shits and giggles...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh66/Madame1to66/RedAnd%20Knockout/liefeld_cap_thumb_sm.jpg
I can understand Cap turning his head to (kinda) face the viewer...but turning his chest as well?

[Ben D]

I can understand Cap turning his head to (kinda) face the viewer...but turning his chest as well?

The thing I don't understand is that in the photo the star on his chest appears to be lop-sided.

[Ben D]

Wow. Considering Hitch uses photo reference, you're wrong on at least that one.

Okay I'll admit that was my bad.

http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/FFORCE001_cov.jpg

edit: some of the best feet I've seen drawn actually

[Alan2099]

Rob Liefeld is just an easy target.

[Kasper Cole]

Rob Liefeld is just an easy target.

I think a good chunk of people just rag on Liefeld because it's the "hip" thing to do.

[Spike-X]

I think a good chunk of people just rag on Liefeld because it's the "hip" thing to do.
And because he's a crap artist.

[Kasper Cole]

And because he's a crap artist.

Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.

[Lord Bravery]

The thing I don't understand is that in the photo the star on his chest appears to be lop-sided.

The star? His entire chest itself is lop sided. His left pectoral seems to be coming out about 5 inches further than his right pectoral.

[Ben D]

Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.

well if they complained about his more recent stuff such as Deadpool corps I could understand but that came out in what, 1995? People have been complaining about that longer then I've been alive...

[Spike-X]

Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.
A dead horse that's probably been drawn really, really badly.

[Kasper Cole]

well if they complained about his more recent stuff such as Deadpool corps I could understand but that came out in what, 1995? People have been complaining about that longer then I've been alive...

That's kind of baffling too. His newer stuff gets flat out ignored but you pull out a heroes reborn pic and people go apeshit.

[Lord Bravery]

Deadpool Corps was just all kinds of fail, writing and art.

[Nick Soapdish]

Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.

The joke is still funny to some people. I get a kick whenever I see some of his worse art panels, even if I've seen them dozens of times before.

And sometimes, it comes up because somebody wants to defend him. In fact, that's usually how I've seen Liefeld-bashing threads start.


That's kind of baffling too. His newer stuff gets flat out ignored but you pull out a heroes reborn pic and people go apeshit.

His Teen Titans work is frequently used in those bad examples that get brought up.

[Adam C]

Doug Mahnke, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Davis and Bryan Hitch aren't good at drawing feet either.

I'll concede Davis having looked at more of his work. I mean sometimes he gets it right (http://www.entrecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/x-Alan%20Davis-PatrullaX03.jpg) though in a lot of others (http://www.alandavis-comicart.com/images/Homewebpage3.jpg) he mostly (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9043/excalibur1.gif) exhibits some of the annoying shortcuts (http://1979semifinalist.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/088-alan-davis.jpg) and tics that superhero comics exhibit.

On the other hand he at least tries to draw feet or something resembling them. Liefield on the other hand (http://www.pinkkryptonite.com/images/pinkkryptonite/Liefield1.jpg) really sets new lows (http://www.ifanboy.com/images/ifanboy/youngbloodv1hc_p36_37.jpg) in terms of drawing feet.

Edit: Last link removed due to warnings of Malware being associated with it.

But Cooke and Mankhe?

Cooke:
http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/normal_PARKERSIGNINGCARDS.jpg

http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay_web/WWD_DarwynCooke_l.jpg

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/images/cooke/nf.jpg

Mankhe:

http://www.joystickdivision.com/glc_doug_mahnke.jpg

http://www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fincrcv6.jpg

http://www.ebookpdf.net/screen/cover3/20224144658.jpg

[ChadH]

I'll concede Davis having looked at more of his work. I mean sometimes he gets it right (http://www.entrecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/x-Alan%20Davis-PatrullaX03.jpg) though in a lot of others (http://www.alandavis-comicart.com/images/Homewebpage3.jpg) he mostly (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9043/excalibur1.gif) exhibits some of the annoying shortcuts (http://1979semifinalist.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/088-alan-davis.jpg) and tics that superhero comics exhibit.

On the other hand he at least tries to draw feet or something resembling them. Liefield on the other hand (http://www.pinkkryptonite.com/images/pinkkryptonite/Liefield1.jpg) really sets new lows (http://www.ifanboy.com/images/ifanboy/youngbloodv1hc_p36_37.jpg) in terms of drawing feet (http://img329.imageshack.us/i/fnf83qo0.jpg/).

But Cooke and Mankhe?

Cooke:
http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/normal_PARKERSIGNINGCARDS.jpg

http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay_web/WWD_DarwynCooke_l.jpg

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/images/cooke/nf.jpg

Mankhe:

http://www.joystickdivision.com/glc_doug_mahnke.jpg

http://www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fincrcv6.jpg

http://www.ebookpdf.net/screen/cover3/20224144658.jpg

Adam one of those links to Liefelds' art at ImageShack may have some sort of malware associated with it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Adam one of those links to Liefelds' art at ImageShack may have some sort of malware associated with it.

There is something deeply appropriate to malware being associated with anything having to do with Liefeld's art.

[Duy]

John Byrne, Ivan Reis, Ethan Van Sciver.


The only ones who actually draw them correct or close enough are Dave Gibbons, Perez (and follower Jimenez), Adams and Ross

How many comics have you actually read? There are more, much more.


Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.

Rob Liefeld is simply the standard for bad artists who made it big. Why would we make fun of bad artists who didn't make it?

Rob Liefeld is to comic art what Comic Sans is to fonts.

[Adam C]

Adam one of those links to Liefelds' art at ImageShack may have some sort of malware associated with it.

Thanks. I didn't notice at all when I clicked it but the link has been removed.

This page (http://kleefeldoncomics.blogspot.com/2006/12/definitive-proof-that-rob-liefeld.html) does provide examples of Liefield drawing feet badly, among the numerous other things he draws badly.


Yeah but to the extent that people rag on his stuff YEARS after the fact? I don't know to me it just feels like beating a dead horse at some point.

I actually have to agree. It's been long time since I felt I needed to make an unsolicited comment on his work. He's hardly a presence in comics at all these days and the state of comic art doesn't really bear the marks of his presence. There's not much of reason to bring his art up anymore.

[howyadoin]

John Byrne, Ivan Reis, Ethan Van Sciver.


The only ones who actually draw them correct or close enough are Dave Gibbons, Perez (and follower Jimenez), Adams and Ross


Doug Mahnke, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Davis and Bryan Hitch aren't good at drawing feet either.All you're proving here is your own ignorance about art. But hey, please continue to "educate" us.

[Donald M.]

Why do people keep complaining about Rob Liefeld's art after years and years and years?

Because the classics never get old.

[Ray R.]

Why do people keep complaining about Rob Liefeld's art after years and years and years?

Because the classics never get old.

Yeah, actually they do get old.

Bashing Rob Liefeld with a holier-than-thou sense of condescension and derision pretty much hit its apex in the late '90s.

Between making fun of Liefeld, making fun of Wizard Magazine, and decrying the impending doom of the modern comic book, this forum is looking more and more like it's caught in a sad fanboy timewarp.

[Slam_Bradley]

Between making fun of Liefeld, making fun of Wizard Magazine, and decrying the impending doom of the modern comic book, this forum is looking more and more like it's caught in a sad fanboy timewarp.

It's not as if there's anything to add or to be gained by it. It's more of a "Look at Me!" ploy at this point.

[Ray R.]

It's not as if there's anything to add or to be gained by it. It's more of a "Look at Me!" ploy at this point.

The lowest of the low-hanging fruit.

[the4thpip]

Yeah, actually they do get old.

Bashing Rob Liefeld with a holier-than-thou sense of condescension and derision pretty much hit its apex in the late '90s.

Between making fun of Liefeld, making fun of Wizard Magazine, and decrying the impending doom of the modern comic book, this forum is looking more and more like it's caught in a sad fanboy timewarp.

http://michiganlawyerblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/wet-blanket.jpg

[howyadoin]

Why do people keep complaining about Rob Liefeld's art after years and years and years?

Because the classics never get old.


Yeah, actually they do get old.

Bashing Rob Liefeld with a holier-than-thou sense of condescension and derision pretty much hit its apex in the late '90s.

Between making fun of Liefeld, making fun of Wizard Magazine, and decrying the impending doom of the modern comic book, this forum is looking more and more like it's caught in a sad fanboy timewarp.The pattern I keep seeing is people who are clueless about art starting threads to defend him, and then getting schooled by people who aren't clueless about art.

[Ray R.]

http://michiganlawyerblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/wet-blanket.jpg

Yeah, whatever.

Enjoy picking on the terminally marginalized. Challenging and fun.

[Dreadstar]

The lowest of the low-hanging fruit.

I'll have you know I have a documented childhood accident explaining "low-hanging fruit."

[Ray R.]

The pattern I keep seeing is people who are clueless about art starting threads to defend him, and then getting schooled by people who aren't clueless about art.

Kind of like starting threads about acknowledging asexuality when you don't have a clue about what sex is like.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

[the4thpip]

Kind of like starting threads about acknowledging asexuality when you don't have a clue about what sex is like.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

But enough about Cable.

[Ray R.]

I'll have you know I have a documented childhood accident explaining "low-hanging fruit."

Is this the one about Grampa and the sauna? Sounds familiar.

[Slam_Bradley]

I'll have you know I have a documented childhood accident explaining "low-hanging fruit."

I think that comes under the category of strange fruit.

[StoneGold]

I wouldn't say Liefeld's inability to draw feet is his biggest fault.

His inability to draw humans with correct anatomy and proportions in general are.

Do I have to bring out that infamous Captain America drawing?

Meh. That ain't really it, either. Because that's one plenty of acclaimed artists... OK, having trouble with is the wrong term, but it's a part of their style. The difference being that Liefeld's is no longer considered aesthetically pleasing by most people.

That, or most artists use distorted anatomy and proportions as part of their style to emphasize emotion and story, whereas Rob just kind of draws that way.

[verslibre]

I wouldn't say Liefeld's inability to draw feet is his biggest fault.

His inability to draw humans with correct anatomy and proportions in general are.

That, and his shading and overall chickenscratch approach to linework.

In one panel shown in the CBLR! link, Liefeld depicted a male character (I assume it's Magneto because of the white hair? No, it's Cable, right?) with one of his standardly large chests and 12-pack abs (the chest seems to curve and rest on the top row, like a mantle.) The area from the chin to the (low-hanging) neckline of the shirt is shaded. I have to assume it's daytime or a brightly lit room inside that panel, and nothing suggests a light overhead to produce such a result, especially when it's implied that [Magneto's] chest sticks out like a wine barrel. Liefeld just seems extremely fond of random lines and cross-hatching.

Frank Miller's Daredevil demonstrated proper use of cross-hatching across many issues. (Klaus Janson's mad inking skills made panels look "full" even if there wasn't a lot of actual linework involved in any given area.) John Severin's one of the best guys when it comes to cross-hatching.

The Hawk & The Dove cover looks like a respectable piece of work, and I believe that's due to Karl Kesel's inking.

Liefeld's general style looks like panels inked after somebody took an eraser randomly to lines all over the place. Chickenscratch.

[howyadoin]

Kind of like starting threads about acknowledging asexuality when you don't have a clue about what sex is like.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.You can't possibly understand the pain that Liefeld fans feel.

[Ray R.]

You can't possibly understand the pain that Liefeld fans feel.

Love means never having to say you're sorry.

[Darrell D.]

Seriously, Liefeld doesn't bother me. His work is incredibly easy to avoid.

[Matt Algren]

Yeah, actually they do get old.

Bashing Rob Liefeld with a holier-than-thou sense of condescension and derision pretty much hit its apex in the late '90s.

Between making fun of Liefeld, making fun of Wizard Magazine, and decrying the impending doom of the modern comic book, this forum is looking more and more like it's caught in a sad fanboy timewarp.

I am so looking down my nose at you right now.

[Slam_Bradley]

Seriously, Liefeld doesn't bother me. His work is incredibly easy to avoid.

It's always been easy to avoid. The only thing of his I've purchased ever was the first Hawk & Dove mini. And Karl Kesel's inking almost saved that one.

[Paul McEnery]

I think that comes under the category of strange fruit.

I soooooooo want to follow that up with an utterly distasteful joke.

And will trust that you can draw your own conclusions.

[Slam_Bradley]

I soooooooo want to follow that up with an utterly distasteful joke.

And will trust that you can draw your own conclusions.


I would expect nothing less from you.

[mailedbypostman1]

Liefield draws feet?

Huh, you learn new things everyday.

[Ben D]

The pattern I keep seeing is people who are clueless about art starting threads to defend him, and then getting schooled by people who aren't clueless about art.

Oh, so because I said people don't need to make fun of one little detail that means I don't know a single thing about the art industry.

[Ben D]

You can't possibly understand the pain that Liefeld fans feel.

Yeah fyi I'm not a fan of Liefeld, just that making fun of a one little thing about an artist when many more things can be made fun of about THE SAME ARTIST that aren't exploited nearly as much is silly.

[howyadoin]

Oh, so because I said people don't need to make fun of one little detail that means I don't know a single thing about the art industry.Speaking as an artist, I think the fact that you list a bunch of people who are perfectly capable of drawing feet as examples of people who can't demonstrates how little you know about comic art quite nicely.

The fact of the matter is, feet are a pretty simple thing to draw - certainly no more difficult to draw, if they're not bare, than hands covered in mitts. The fact that Liefeld is afraid to even try is a real indictment of where he is as an artist, and no amount of bullshit "most comic book artists suck at drawing feet" rationalization will ever change that.

[whiteshark]

Speaking as an artist, I think the fact that you list a bunch of people who are perfectly capable of drawing feet as examples of people who can't demonstrates how little you know about comic art quite nicely.

The fact of the matter is, feet are a pretty simple thing to draw - certainly no more difficult to draw, if they're not bare, than hands covered in mitts. The fact that Liefeld is afraid to even try is a real indictment of where he is as an artist, and no amount of bullshit "most comic book artists suck at drawing feet" rationalization will ever change that.


I read once in a interview that one of the most difficult things to a artist draw is vehicles as cars and motorbikes.

Do you as a artist agree with that?

[thespianphryne]

Knowing the history of Liefeld threads, I just want to say right now, Keep it civil. And no sniping.

[Spike-X]

A lot of comicbook artists seem to have trouble drawing guitars.

[whiteshark]

About the topic in the start of the 90s i read X-Force comics,and as a kid i did not mind some bad pannels of Rob Liefield art.
Now that i know a little more about art i concede that Liefield illustrations lack a minimal consistency of quality that several others comic book artist have.
Still i was tempted in getting Deadpool Corps last time when i went to my LCS.:redface:

[Pól Rua]

You can't possibly understand the pain that Liefeld fans feel.


Love means never having to say you're sorry.

Ground mist means never having to draw ankles.

[howyadoin]

I read once in a interview that one of the most difficult things to a artist draw is vehicles as cars and motorbikes.

Do you as a artist agree with that?Hard to say. I don't have any problem drawing them, but I've been doing it for more than 30 years. You really do have to do the research and know how the machinery works to pull it off convincingly, though. Knowing the culture behind it all helps, too.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5182322319_d8f5e28d07_z.jpg

The main thing I have difficulty with is hands, though it is finally starting to get easier. Like anything, the key is practice, not finding "inventive" ways to avoid drawing them.

[snarkbunny]

Confession time:

For all the poor anatomy and flawed techniques of Liefield's drawing, I enjoy the energy he puts into his work. I find a lot of his work has an quality of "This is FUN!!!" for me, and I would take Rob Liefield artwork over someone like Greg Land any day.

[whiteshark]

Hard to say. I don't have any problem drawing them, but I've been doing it for more than 30 years. You really do have to do the research and know how the machinery works to pull it off convincingly, though. Knowing the culture behind it all helps, too.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5182322319_d8f5e28d07_z.jpg

The main thing I have difficulty with is hands, though it is finally starting to get easier. Like anything, the key is practice, not finding "inventive" ways to avoid drawing them.

Cool.
Thanks for the info.

Great illustration there.

I guess it vary from artist to artist which are the most difficult things to illustrate i just remembered that interview in which a artist said it was vehicles and was wondering if it is the same for all the artist´s.

[Ben D]

Confession time:

For all the poor anatomy and flawed techniques of Liefield's drawing, I enjoy the energy he puts into his work. I find a lot of his work has an quality of "This is FUN!!!" for me, and I would take Rob Liefield artwork over someone like Greg Land any day.

well yeah but that's because Land doesn't even bother fixing his "mistakes" like swiping images from other artists or even movies. Liefeld may be as bad when it comes to the actual event (other artists I mean) but he can hide it when he feels like it.

[Adam C]

A lot of comicbook artists seem to have trouble drawing guitars.

Possibly even more so than they have trouble drawing boobs.

The funny part is I kind of understand the problem having tried drawing guitars before I actually sat down and looked at them and what their parts actually were. And even after you get the form down they can be bloody hard to draw.

On the other hand it also betrays a deplorable negligence in regards to the subject matter, since it's like drawing a car with not the slightest clue where the wheels or doors are to go.

I think I've been seeing it less in recent years...or I've just been reading more comics by people who have a genuine interest in music involving that kind of instrument.

[Michael P]

Possibly even more so than they have trouble drawing boobs.

Which is weird, because you'd think most comic artists have at least seen a guitar.

[snarkbunny]

Which is weird, because you'd think most comic artists have at least seen a guitar.

Not really, because like Adam C said, when you really look at a guitar it's quite complicated and it's very easy to draw with parts out of proportion.

[Pól Rua]

The main thing I have difficulty with is hands, though it is finally starting to get easier. Like anything, the key is practice, not finding "inventive" ways to avoid drawing them.

Exactly, and that's my main gripe with artists like Liefeld. Every artist has things that they have difficulty with, but the key is to work on it and improve.
By using low-lying ground mist and rubble, Liefeld is basically throwing his hands up and saying, "Hey, like I give a fuck!"
Honestly, it's the work of a couple of minutes to do a google image search or get a friend to stand there while you sketch them, and if you're being paid to turn in work of a professional standard, I don't think asking a few minutes is too much.

[Jeff Brady]

Not really, because like Adam C said, when you really look at a guitar it's quite complicated and it's very easy to draw with parts out of proportion.

You missed the joke about cartoonists not having seen boobs (up close and in person, that is).

[Adam C]

Not really, because like Adam C said, when you really look at a guitar it's quite complicated and it's very easy to draw with parts out of proportion.

Or just draw its parts all wrong in ways that make no sense until you bother to actually look at the thing.

Also: see how boobs are drawn in modern comics.

[snarkbunny]

You missed the joke about cartoonists not having seen boobs (up close and in person, that is).

There was a joke?

**rereads**

Yeah, that went zipping by 3 metres over my head. Reception error.

[Perry Holley]

A dead horse that's probably been drawn really, really badly.With no feet.

[Bakasama]

Does that dead horse have pouches too?

[Shellhead]

Does that dead horse have pouches too?

Yes, lots of pouches arrayed in bandoliers and belts, because that is badass.

[the4thpip]

Rob Liefeld could have been the Ed Wood of comics, if only he was a lovable scamp. We never forgave him because he just comes over very unpleasant and full of himself. Maybe he should try wearing drag sometimes.

[Pól Rua]

Rob Liefeld could have been the Ed Wood of comics, if only he was a lovable scamp. We never forgave him because he just comes over very unpleasant and full of himself. Maybe he should try wearing drag sometimes.

Oddly enough, I have heard many stories of Rob being quite a nice chap. Very approachable at Cons and such, with a lot of time for his fans and more than willing to shoot the breeze or whatever.
One of the best Liefeld stories I heard was in regards to a comics panel where Captain America was being discussed and someone said, "Well, what's the worst thing you could do with the character?"
From the back of the room, someone shouted, "You could hire an artist who'd draw him with ENORMOUS Boobs!"
And when people turned around, Rob Liefeld was standing there with a little smile on his face.

Honestly, he seems a decent enough chap.
But my problem remains that, while he has the enthusiasm and energy of someone like Ed Wood, he lacks his sheer weird inventive spirit. Yes, Ed Wood was a crank and a hack, but he pushed boundaries. When he found he didn't have the budget to accomplish something, he found a way to do it.
Rob Liefeld, on the other hand, seems content to grind out endless copies of The Hulk and X-Men and instead of addressing his shortcomings, try to brush them under the carpet.

[Duy]

Honestly, he seems a decent enough chap.

Except when he's talking about Alan Moore and making shit up.

[Pól Rua]

Except when he's talking about Alan Moore and making shit up.

There is that.
Plus, he's demonstrated the ability to get some of the most famously even-tempered and calm-headed people in comics angry at him.

[Duy]

With the exception of Liefeld, I've never seen Moore take a potshot at anyone's actual artistic skills. I've seen him criticize some works, but I've never actually heard him flat-out say that someone is "lazy" or "didn't want to do anything." Until he was asked about Liefeld.

[The Black Guardian]

I read once in a interview that one of the most difficult things to a artist draw is vehicles as cars and motorbikes.

Do you as a artist agree with that?
I think something like that tends to vary by the artist. Some have trouble with hands, feet, legs, eyes, lips. For some, static objects (cars and motorbikes) are easy, but things that have a lot of motion are not. Some have trouble with animals. Etc.

Like anything, the more you do it, the easier it gets. As others said, avoiding doing it never works.

[streator]

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld4.html

this was a decent time-wasting link. thanks.

[verslibre]

this was a decent time-wasting link. thanks.

Whether I've visited that link ten times or a thousand times, the line "Christ, he drew a dog's hind quarters on Spider-Man!" still cracks me up.

[whiteshark]

I think something like that tends to vary by the artist. Some have trouble with hands, feet, legs, eyes, lips. For some, static objects (cars and motorbikes) are easy, but things that have a lot of motion are not. Some have trouble with animals. Etc.

Like anything, the more you do it, the easier it gets. As others said, avoiding doing it never works.

Yep.i guess it vary from artist to artist.

I am not a artist,but i never thought illustrating a vehicle is really that difficult thus was surprised to see a artist saying in a interview that the more difficult thing to him to illustrate was a vehicle.

Would be interesting to know which are the things that the better known artists as John Romita Jr,George Perez,Stuart Immonem,Marcos Martin,Mike Deodato,Steve Epting have more difficulty illustrating.