Changes you'd make to the TITANS franchise

[theXfactor]

As it is, I'm happy with only half of the franchise (Teen Titans), but Titans has been unreadable since its launch. What would you do make the Titans books better?

As much as I like the current direction of Teen Titans, I'm not very happy with tthe line-up. For a team named TEEN Titans, it's really odd that half of the members aren't even teens.
Here's the line-up I'd put in the book:

Wonder Girl (team leader)
Superboy (second in command)
Red Robin (sporadic member)
Kid Flash
Aqualad
Ravager
Zatara or Solstice

They would be San Francisco's defenders.
I'd also introduce a new Titans East based in NYC:

Supergirl (leader)
Batgirl
Cass Cain
Static
Offspring
Más y Menos
Aquagirl

Deathstroke's Titans would disband and the older Titans would return to the book. In contrast to the League (which would protect Earth from large scale threats), the Titans would face more localized threats all around the world. The team would be:

Wonder Lass (Donna Troy)
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven
Beast Boy
Jericho
and a new Nightwing

I think that's it :tongue:

[theyallfalldown]

Where are your signature micro heroes in this post?!!

I know that at the moment raven was de-aged upon her rebirth making her a teen again,and beast boy I think was retconned to be younger at some point!

I will have to think of what I would do with the franchise personally!

[theXfactor]

Where are your signature micro heroes in this post?!!

I know that at the moment raven was de-aged upon her rebirth making her a teen again,and beast boy I think was retconned to be younger at some point!

I will have to think of what I would do with the franchise personally!

Didn't think anyone would miss them :tongue:
I want to make my own versions of them, but that would take a lot longer and I'm having some problems with my computer, so it'll take some time until I finish them. I'll post them as soon as I can.
About Raven, I know about the body thing, but her mind is still the same, so I don't consider her a teen. Beast Boy does tend to act as a teen, though. :smile:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Make the Titans a JL farm team again. Put back Cyborg, Starfire, maybe Red Robin, etc etc. Teen Titans are fine, even though some aren't teens... But "Teen Titans" has a better ring than "Young Justice".

Also, I'd add a somewhat more reputable creative team to Titans, kind of like Teen Titans' current creative team. Maybe something like Paul Dini + Fernando Pasarin or something like that. Doesn't have to be All-Star quality, but...yeah.

edit: btw, I like your idea Xfactor. DC has enough teen heroes now to have 2 teen teams. A 2nd Teen Titans team/book is a great idea, imo.

[Cardinal!]

First of all, consolidate. At the moment we don't need two Titans books. The Deathstroke team was a crappy idea, and until more of the breadwinners who were the initial draw of the Titans book are free to return (Donna, Nightwing, Starfire, etc.), there's no point.

Secondly, with the Teen Titans book; just tell good stories. Respect past characterizations (which, yes, in the case of many of the characters, that means let them be happy and have fun regularly rather than mopey and angry all the time); let Wonder Girl be funny again; let Superboy be a smart aleck again; let Bart be Bart again; get rid of this Raven/Beast Boy relationship that never made any freaking sense. Get away from this "we're a family" BS that needs to quit being explicitly stated, and actually develop the team dynamics a little bit to actually show readers that the team members have a close bond. Quit trying to be the '80s Titans. The '80s Titans didn't become the '80s Titans by mimicking and recycling plotline after plotline from the Titans volume that preceded it; it built on the foundation that was there and added to it, rather than trying to rebuild it altogether.

And bring back Ms. Martian!!!

[theyallfalldown]

One thing I would like is to see argent out and about again,but I have no idea where she would fit in now!I mean is she late teens so therefore too old for the teen titans?or is she early twenties?but still too old to fit in with the old guard?

[bongoes]

Here's the line-up I'd put in the book:

Wonder Girl (team leader)
Superboy (second in command)
Red Robin (sporadic member)
Kid Flash
Aqualad
Ravager
Zatara or Solstice

They would be San Francisco's defenders.
I'd also introduce a new Titans East based in NYC:

Supergirl (leader)
Batgirl
Cass Cain
Static
Offspring
Más y Menos
Aquagirl


I like those teams, but I would add Blue Beetle and Miss Martian. Probably Miss Martain to the SF team and Blue Beetle to the NYC team. Though I wouldn't mind seeing a rotating membership of all those characters, but with a core of Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Miss Martian and Aqualad.

[theXfactor]

Make the Titans a JL farm team again. Put back Cyborg, Starfire, maybe Red Robin, etc etc. Teen Titans are fine, even though some aren't teens... But "Teen Titans" has a better ring than "Young Justice".

Also, I'd add a somewhat more reputable creative team to Titans, kind of like Teen Titans' current creative team. Maybe something like Paul Dini + Fernando Pasarin or something like that. Doesn't have to be All-Star quality, but...yeah.

edit: btw, I like your idea Xfactor. DC has enough teen heroes now to have 2 teen teams. A 2nd Teen Titans team/book is a great idea, imo.

Agreed on the creative team. I think Krul would also be a good choice to write Titans and maybe Sterling Gates could write TT:East


I like those teams, but I would add Blue Beetle and Miss Martian. Probably Miss Martain to the SF team and Blue Beetle to the NYC team. Though I wouldn't mind seeing a rotating membership of all those characters, but with a core of Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Miss Martian and Aqualad.

I'd didn't add them because they'd be part of my JLI. :tongue:

[FHIZ]

Needs more dead cat.

[missferris]

First of all, consolidate. At the moment we don't need two Titans books. The Deathstroke team was a crappy idea, and until more of the breadwinners who were the initial draw of the Titans book are free to return (Donna, Nightwing, Starfire, etc.), there's no point.

Secondly, with the Teen Titans book; just tell good stories. Respect past characterizations (which, yes, in the case of many of the characters, that means let them be happy and have fun regularly rather than mopey and angry all the time); let Wonder Girl be funny again; let Superboy be a smart aleck again; let Bart be Bart again; get rid of this Raven/Beast Boy relationship that never made any freaking sense. Get away from this "we're a family" BS that needs to quit being explicitly stated, and actually develop the team dynamics a little bit to actually show readers that the team members have a close bond. Quit trying to be the '80s Titans. The '80s Titans didn't become the '80s Titans by mimicking and recycling plotline after plotline from the Titans volume that preceded it; it built on the foundation that was there and added to it, rather than trying to rebuild it altogether.

And bring back Ms. Martian!!!

Pretty much this.

[RockinRobin182]

I wanna see a Titans with Red Robin, Superboy, Kid Flash, WonderGirl, Mary Marvel, Blue Beetle, and Miss Martian.

[theXfactor]

About there being no need for more than one Titans book, I agree, but is there the need for more than 8 Bat-titles, 3 GL books, 4 Avengers books and so on?
No, but it would be stupid if companies did not capitalize on popular franchises.


I wanna see a Titans with Red Robin, Superboy, Kid Flash, WonderGirl, Mary Marvel, Blue Beetle, and Miss Martian.

Very cool team!

[TJKernan]

I'd disband Deathstroke's Titans team, a replace them with a very different team, based more on troubled young heroes passing from being kids into adulthood, struggling to be heroes.

The team:
-Nightwing (actually Deathwing, looking for some redemption in life, trying to make up for the wrongs of his past and trying to prove to Mirage that he can be a good man)
-Raven (she adds Classic Titans cred to the team...)
-Sasha Martens (the forgotten 'Hawk' from Mike baron's 87 limited series, she needs a new name, maybe the new Golden Eagle-and I would kill off slacker Dove dude in the first story arc)
-Fade and Flashback from Blood Syndicate. Brother and sister, trying to get out of the ghetto and gang life and they pass into adulthood.
-Bombshell

Visually fascinating team, ethnically diverse, and ripe for conflict.

[Skaddix]

I wanna see a Titans with Red Robin, Superboy, Kid Flash, WonderGirl, Mary Marvel, Blue Beetle, and Miss Martian.

that's a nice team kinda redundant on skills but seems cool.

If was going to make two Titans team or teenage teams I would go

Wondergirl, Superboy, Red Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Solstice, Ravager

Supergirl, Mary Marvel, Ms Martian, Batgirl, Static, Blue Beetle, Zatara

[theXfactor]

that's a nice team kinda redundant on skills but seems cool.

If was going to make two Titans team or teenage teams I would go

Wondergirl, Superboy, Red Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Solstice, Ravager

Supergirl, Mary Marvel, Ms Martian, Batgirl, Static, Blue Beetle, Zatara

I like your first team (obviously :tongue:) and the second one is also very cool. Supergirl and Mary Marvel on the same team would be awesome.

[Skaddix]

I like your first team (obviously :tongue:) and the second one is also very cool. Supergirl and Mary Marvel on the same team would be awesome.

Yeah, the first one is pretty much just giving Krul most of he wants but with Raven and Beast Boy leaving to other stuff and Damian gone. The second one was just me going with a diverse team with a frontline of interesting heavy hitters, some diverse other characters, and a good female/male balance.

[Wonder39]

I liked the idea of having the Titans and the Teen Titans (I love my "old" Titans, but I like the new kids to ^_^)-- it's just that neither was well written or well drawn...lol

I've NEVER seen (or liked) the Titans as "JL in training"-- they're their own team. JLA isn't training to become the JSA, etc, so why would any of the Titans books be any different? It's really limiting and suffocating, imo. NTT flourished because they carved out their own chunk of the hero biz and railed against being JL Junior...

For me--

Teen Titans:
Wonder Girl
Kid Flash
Robin (Tim)
Superboy
Miss Martian
Ravager
Kid Devil
Speedy (Mia in a better costume)
Blue Beetle
-- put them on the West Coast

Titans:
Troia
Nightwing
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven (at her proper age)
Changeling (yes, I called him Changeling-- calling him BB is stupid)
Arsenal (retconned away from all the Cry for Justice garbage)
Flash (Wally)
Tempest (back from the dead, or never died)
--keep them on the East Coast

Matt

[Anxy]

1. Knock it off with Titans, already. It was weak from the start, but at least it started out with some relevancy and offered the promise of decent storytelling for fans of the 80s New Teen Titans characters. The whole Deathstroke revamp is ridiculous and nobody's buying it. Take it out back to the shed and put it out of its misery.

2. Distinguish Teen Titans from Young Justice, but build a bridge between the two. Young Justice would have more of a "Son of JLA" feel, and Teen Titans would extend the legacy of New Teen Titans, and could also feature a "Not Ready for Prime Time" cast of b-list sidekicks and newer a-list sidekick characters. Teen Titans should feel more like a training camp, and Young Justice should be more of an active group of kids who think they're ready to lose the training wheels but have a few more spins around the block left yet.

3. Create a new generation of young heroes in addition to the existing TT/YJ characters. A new team altogether. New characters.

[Skaddix]

1. Knock it off with Titans, already. It was weak from the start, but at least it started out with some relevancy and offered the promise of decent storytelling for fans of the 80s New Teen Titans characters. The whole Deathstroke revamp is ridiculous and nobody's buying it. Take it out back to the shed and put it out of its misery.

2. Distinguish Teen Titans from Young Justice, but build a bridge between the two. Young Justice would have more of a "Son of JLA" feel, and Teen Titans would extend the legacy of New Teen Titans, and could also feature a "Not Ready for Prime Time" cast of b-list sidekicks and newer a-list sidekick characters. Teen Titans should feel more like a training camp, and Young Justice should be more of an active group of kids who think they're ready to lose the training wheels but have a few more spins around the block left yet.

3. Create a new generation of young heroes in addition to the existing TT/YJ characters. A new team altogether. New characters.

I agree with the first two, not sure about the second this is probably a bad economy for a third teen book unless u have a superstar writer.

[lonewolf23k]

Number One: Deathstroke's Titans team gets disbanded.

...No, better yet: It gets beaten down by the Secret Six, due to Giganta wanting Payback for Ryan Choi's death. Kill off the unimportant members, and have the JLA show up to arrest the survivors.

Number Two: Revamp the concept of the Teen Titans entirely. This should be where Young Supers go to learn how to be Heroes. And as such, let's not have them just hang around the Titans Tower without supervision.

I'm fine with the idea of the Teens having their own team structure, but they should be getting a few Adult heroes to operate as mentors, visiting the Tower to supervise training sessions, or provide advice about the current situation.

[theXfactor]

Number Two: Revamp the concept of the Teen Titans entirely. This should be where Young Supers go to learn how to be Heroes. And as such, let's not have them just hang around the Titans Tower without supervision.

I'm fine with the idea of the Teens having their own team structure, but they should be getting a few Adult heroes to operate as mentors, visiting the Tower to supervise training sessions, or provide advice about the current situation.

This used to be JSA's mission statement. They trained young heroes who unlike the Titans didn't have their own mentors.
I think most of the Teen Titans are experienced enough and don't need adult supervising anymore.
I guess the older Titans could pop in every once in a while, but the Teen Titans certainly can operate on their own.

[Cayman]

I'd definitely bring back Kid Devil. He was fun and they killed him off way too soon. Wouldn't mind seeing Squire introduced into the cast.

If she's still around, I'd get rid of Bombshell. I didn't find anything to like about that character.

[raporfest]

My Teen Titans line-up:

Superboy
Wonder Girl
Kid Flash
Red Robin
Bushido (Superboy-Prime can kiss my ass)
Aqualad
Solstice
Kid Devil
Miss Martian
Blue Beetle
Ravager

I would probably focus a lot more of the fact that these heroes are teenagers and get more insight into their daily lives and personal drama and conflict. I'm not talking about "oh Conner's dead, I miss him so much!" or "one of the Titans has betrayed us." More like problems with school, friends who aren't superheroes, conflicts with their mentors, etc.

I would also have the stories be a DCU stories as opposed to be cornered up in the Titans section of the universe, however they still connect to the Titans personally like Black Manta being hired to steal the blue beetle scrab or something like that thus obivously leading to a conflict of Aqualad getting sick of being assulted with the idea that " the apple doesn't fall far from tree" from the other members, one of the Titans becoming a political prisonar in China and taken by Great Ten and one of the members of the Great Ten having a very no so friendly past with Bushido's ansectors for the crimes they committed WWII, or Ares having Conner battle him to see if he is truly worth having a relationship with the daughter of a god.

[Flash Gordon]

Teen Titans - San Fransico; A Justice League Junior, with jazz.

Wonder Girl (leader)
Superboy
Kid Flash
Red Robin
Speedy (Mia)
Miss Martian
Aqualad
Secret

The Titans. - New York City; They are a team of young adults that try to make the world a better place apart from the influence of their elders.

Supergirl (leader)
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)
Blue Beetle
Raven
Beast Boy
Starfire
Kid Devil
Bulleteer

[Wilder Midnight]

Right now I'm feeling a new Titans series featuring all the original B-list Teen Titans that didn't get included when Marv and George took over could be fun. Bring them up into the forefront.

The initial core cast would include:

Hawk and Dove
The Guardian and
Bumblebee
the Harlequin and
Red Star.

Hawk and Dove would be pretty much as we know them with an emphasis on them as avatars of order and chaos...a status that has them bring together this group of titans. Theres this whole thing with the two of them where Hank eventually begins channeling energy from the lords of order as well yet remains Hawk securing that every so the lords of chaos will cause trouble for the team (and all of existence in the process).

I hate that Mal Duncan gets ignored. Technically he really is DC's first black superhero in an ongoing series. Don't matter that he didn't have powers or a fancy costume...he fought along side the Teen Titans as an equal and all that Hornblower/Herald/Vox nonsense just needs to go away. Not quite sure if I'd give him cybernetic enhancements or external equipment or powers but Mal gets an indestructible force shield. In fact when he's in action think Captain America. He's fast, tough, athletic and amazing at using it.

Bumblebee and shrinking powers just go hand in hand. Its something I wanted for the character since she was first introduced. When she displayed the power during her re debut as an animated character I plotzed. Karen's the teams techie and science whiz. She can shrink and fly, has "sonic stings" and a buzz that can disorient opponents.

Harlequin would be a mystery. She doesn't talk much, you never see her face,her silver reflective face mask is always on. shes kind of deadly and fast. She uses an arsenal of weaponry adapted from golden age villains including the original Harlequin (her face mask), the Monocle (lazerbeams), the icicle (little throwing diamonds that explode into a block of ice) among other. Eventually she'll come into possession of the medusa mask.

Red Star would be the teams strong guy. First and foremost I'd get rid of all traces of that hideous red and yellow monstrosity he's seen wearing and up play the fact this guy is powered by red solar energy. The idea of combining superstrength with invulnerability throw in some flight with that whole ignition thing and Leonid becomes a living red star.

[Skaddix]

i am honestly not sure that book would sell unless u put an a-list writer and artist on it. Although it could float just by having Titans on the cover.

[Cardinal!]

About there being no need for more than one Titans book, I agree, but is there the need for more than 8 Bat-titles, 3 GL books, 4 Avengers books and so on?
No, but it would be stupid if companies did not capitalize on popular franchises.



Very cool team!

All of those franchises are both way more successful than the Titans are right now, and they encompass multiple characters that are popular enough to support their own spin-offs (Batwoman, Batgirl, Red Robin, Green Lantern Corps, etc). There are a LOT of great characters who could be featured in a second Titans title, but it's questionable whether they would really be able to pull their own weight sales-wise without having to "borrow" fan-favorites from the regular title. Maybe once they can re-gather Dick, Donna, and Wally they can entertain the idea of a second series again, but until then I think we'd be better off if they just concentrated on making one title successful.

[theXfactor]

All of those franchises are both way more successful than the Titans are right now, and they encompass multiple characters that are popular enough to support their own spin-offs (Batwoman, Batgirl, Red Robin, Green Lantern Corps, etc). There are a LOT of great characters who could be featured in a second Titans title, but it's questionable whether they would really be able to pull their own weight sales-wise without having to "borrow" fan-favorites from the regular title. Maybe once they can re-gather Dick, Donna, and Wally they can entertain the idea of a second series again, but until then I think we'd be better off if they just concentrated on making one title successful.

Yes, obviously the Titans are not what they used to be in terms of popularity, but they still have huge potential and are very recognizable, even to those that don't read comics.
I think that with the line-ups I proposed, all three titles would sell reasonably well.
The hardest sell (Titans:East) would feature popular characters like Supergirl and Batgirl, both capable of supporting their own ongoigns.

[carabas]

I think that what it really needs is given a rest. Cancel all related books. Let the memories of terrible stories die. Wait three years or so. Then get a motivated creative team. Make sure that they know they're fired if they even think about killing or mutilating or villainising characters. And see if it does better than it does now.

[Sean Walsh]

One Teen Titans team. Some sort of mix of the old and the new. That's it.

If the backups were still around, maybe give some other Titans (past members, relevant characters to the main feature, maybe a potential new recruit here and there) short 1-or-2-issue stories.

And for God's sake, either disband Deathstroke's team or rename them. Those are not Titans and it's kind of a shame someone at DC thought it'd be a good idea to collect them under that name.

[protege]

My Teen Titans line-up:

Superboy
Wonder Girl
Kid Flash
Red Robin
Bushido (Superboy-Prime can kiss my ass)
Aqualad
Solstice
Kid Devil
Miss Martian
Blue Beetle
Ravager

I would probably focus a lot more of the fact that these heroes are teenagers and get more insight into their daily lives and personal drama and conflict. I'm not talking about "oh Conner's dead, I miss him so much!" or "one of the Titans has betrayed us." More like problems with school, friends who aren't superheroes, conflicts with their mentors, etc.

I would also have the stories be a DCU stories as opposed to be cornered up in the Titans section of the universe, however they still connect to the Titans personally like Black Manta being hired to steal the blue beetle scrab or something like that thus obivously leading to a conflict of Aqualad getting sick of being assulted with the idea that " the apple doesn't fall far from tree" from the other members, one of the Titans becoming a political prisonar in China and taken by Great Ten and one of the members of the Great Ten having a very no so friendly past with Bushido's ansectors for the crimes they committed WWII, or Ares having Conner battle him to see if he is truly worth having a relationship with the daughter of a god.

It's kind of interesting to see a couple of people wanting Solstice on their Titans team, when we haven't even seen her in action yet. I'm kind of looking forward to her myself. But- when does the new Aqualad show up?

[theyallfalldown]

It's kind of interesting to see a couple of people wanting Solstice on their Titans team, whenm we haven't even seen her in action yet. I'm kind of looking forward to her myself. But- when does the new Aqualad show up?

I find this interesting too,and quite exciting!a new minority character that people are excited about before the debut!sounds good to me!!

We don't know when new aqualad shows up other than that he does at some point as far as I'm aware!

[raporfest]

Well I want racial and cultural diversity on the team with members like Blue Beetle, Bushido, Solstice, and the new Aqualad as opposed to the team being made up of a bunch of pretty looking Disney Channel white teenagers.

[theyallfalldown]

Right now I'm feeling a new Titans series featuring all the original B-list Teen Titans that didn't get included when Marv and George took over could be fun. Bring them up into the forefront.

The initial core cast would include:

Hawk and Dove
The Guardian and
Bumblebee
the Harlequin and
Red star

A really well thought out post!I'd read it!but I would maybe add in bette Kane as well!

Are we talking about dove as don granger or Dawn?I think I missed that part of the post?

I would drffinitely read it!maybe build on the ideas that were set up in the beast boy mini from a few years ago of another team made up of the lesser knowns?!

Or you could go in a completely different direction and set this in the past,have the adventures take place when the new teen titans were formed and these guys weren't invited along for the ride.get Clifford Chiang or similar on art duties?

Another thing you could do,and sorry to go on,Is have these as the cast of s book called the titans,replace the emo squad of deathstroke.have the likes of starfire, Donna,nightwing having passed on the idea of reforming,and have these supposed second stringers take up the mantle,to reclaim the name from the villains.

There is enough room with most of these characters to reintroduce them to a whole new generation

[Wilder Midnight]

I love Bette...I always thought a story pitting all the various Harlequins (and Harley) would be fun...throw in all the Batgirls (and Bat-Girl) too!

Maybe if I got an A-list writer and artist because...you know.

I'm liking the current series well enough. I didn't get a chance to pick up the current issue (#90). By the time I got to the shop it actually sold out which hopefully means good things are about to happen for the title. Gonna have to wait a few.

I agree with the sentiment that Beast Boy and Raven need to go. None of the old guard should be on this team. My own dream team would consist of ten member:

Robin
Wondergirl
Kid Flash
Superboy
Miss Martian
Ravager
Kid Devil
Aqualad
Traci 13 and
Natasha Irons as the new Bumblebee!

[Skaddix]

Well I want racial and cultural diversity on the team with members like Blue Beetle, Bushido, Solstice, and the new Aqualad as opposed to the team being made up of a bunch of pretty looking Disney Channel white teenagers.

I have to agree with this the most annoying thing about Krul's new team was him saying all the minorities were not a-list enough.

[theyallfalldown]

I think that if I were doing teen titans I would have quite a big team,I liked re idea of this being somewhere for these young heroes to come to to train on weekends or after school,so I would go with this still.I would have a few older people around to keep in mind that this is sorta a mentoring program,so k might have argent as a aorta in between councillor type,with cyborg arous as j really think he would excel in this role.as the guardian type,and the occasional visits from others as and when needed! Will draw up my member list at some point!

Damn there are too many good characters in titans lore!

[Skaddix]

I think that if I were doing teen titans I would have quite a big team,I liked re idea of this being somewhere for these young heroes to come to to train on weekends or after school,so I would go with this still.I would have a few older people around to keep in mind that this is sorta a mentoring program,so k might have argent as a aorta in between councillor type,with cyborg arous as j really think he would excel in this role.as the guardian type,and the occasional visits from others as and when needed! Will draw up my member list at some point!

Damn there are too many good characters in titans lore!

DC is working on this by slaughtering titans during every event.

[BohemiaDrinker]

Teen Titans: I`d put the Young Justice core four (Tim, Cassie, Bart and Conner) plus Miss Martian, Aqualad and Blue Beetle.

Titans: scrap the whole Deathstroke Titans concept. Make it a book like "the Brave and the Bold", without a fixed line-up, just shoowing two or three characters which belonged to the Team until the end of the Wolfman/Perez days, sometimes corssing paths on a case, sometimes having that friday night beer with friends interrupted by an alien invasion or Trigon or something. Use this title to showcase this chracters relationships with each other and places in the DC Universe, in and out of costume. No need for a secret HeadQuarters or stuff like that,

[jrp001]

While it seems like DC has been hell bent killing or maiming every young hero out there… there are still A LOT of young/teen/inexperienced heroes in the DCU. So hypothesizing here… cancel Teen Titens and Titans.

Create 3 NEW titans branded books

Book 1: Teen Titans
Cassie, Miss Martian, NuAqualad, kid flash, Blue Beetle, Cyclone (why not), Super boy and Speedy operating out of Titans Tower in SF. This book will be the Titan Flagship, fighting the “big” fights. This will also be the book with Arsenal/Red Arrow, will be located… this will be where the creative team can begin to get the dead cat stink off of him/rehab his character

Book 2: Titans
Training Academy (or some other snazzy name)
Have all of the elder statesmen of the titans (excluding members already on other teams, and those with solo books). Leaders will be Cyborg, Raven, Beast Boy, Tempest, Bumblebee, Mal/Vox, Redstar. They will be operating out of Hub City - I think this is still a crazy crime ridden city - in a state-of-the-art Titans Tower, responsible form training all of the “new” heroes. This series will be centered on cleaning up Hub City/stopping street level crime and training the newbie. As the series co-stars, aka the new heroes “graduate” they will leave Titans Tower be able to set up new Titans Towers in other cities… Opal, Gateway, LA, El Paso, Moscow, etc…

Book 3: Titans Spotlight (bi monthly/oversized)
This will be book will have 2 to 3 stories in it… it will be team-ups/solo stories, stories about “new” Towers, membership drives…

[glennsim]

Teen Titans: I`d put the Young Justice core four (Tim, Cassie, Bart and Conner) plus Miss Martian, Aqualad and Blue Beetle.

Titans: scrap the whole Deathstroke Titans concept. Make it a book like "the Brave and the Bold", without a fixed line-up, just shoowing two or three characters which belonged to the Team until the end of the Wolfman/Perez days, sometimes corssing paths on a case, sometimes having that friday night beer with friends interrupted by an alien invasion or Trigon or something. Use this title to showcase this chracters relationships with each other and places in the DC Universe, in and out of costume. No need for a secret HeadQuarters or stuff like that,

I like this. I think you could have a Titans book that just features stories where the characters get together and have adventures, without it being a formal team with a headquarters and whatnot. With so many characters from Dick and Tim's generations, there's a ton of stories to tell without necessarily having a formal construct.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

I just wish we could get some focus on all of the other teen heroes out there. :frown:

[theXfactor]

As it is, I'm happy with only half of the franchise (Teen Titans), but Titans has been unreadable since its launch. What would you do make the Titans books better?

As much as I like the current direction of Teen Titans, I'm not very happy with tthe line-up. For a team named TEEN Titans, it's really odd that half of the members aren't even teens.
Here's the line-up I'd put in the book:

Wonder Girl (team leader)
Superboy (second in command)
Red Robin (sporadic member)
Kid Flash
Aqualad
Ravager
Zatara or Solstice

They would be San Francisco's defenders.
I'd also introduce a new Titans East based in NYC:

Supergirl (leader)
Batgirl
Cass Cain
Static
Offspring
Más y Menos
Aquagirl

Deathstroke's Titans would disband and the older Titans would return to the book. In contrast to the League (which would protect Earth from large scale threats), the Titans would face more localized threats all around the world. The team would be:

Wonder Lass (Donna Troy)
Cyborg
Starfire
Raven
Beast Boy
Jericho
and a new Nightwing

I think that's it

Adding creative teams:

Teen Titans
Writer: JT Krul
Artist: Nicola Scott (why fix what isn't broken? :wink:)

Teen Titans: East
Writer: Nick Spencer or Sterling Gates
Artist: Chris Batista

Titans
Writers: Marv Wolfman and Tony Bedard
Artist: Drew Johnson

[Animation]

One Teen Titans team. Some sort of mix of the old and the new. That's it.

But aren't they all old characters? In the sense that we've seen them all before time and time again. And in the sense that, even considering the sliding reality of comic book time, are any of them even teens anymore?

2 books:

1) Young Justice ... consisting of good characters mentioned in this thread

2) Teen Titans ... 100% brand new characters, all about age 13-15.

Go crazy with a cool origin story, but I want to see new and/or actually young characters in Teen Titans. Let the now-adults or 18-29 types go in Young Justice or the Justice League or wherever. They are adults (mostly).

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Now if i were an actual editor and could make team and creative team changes, I'd go as is:

Titans - Peter Tomasi, Gary Frank
Flash (Wally West), Starfire, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Changeling, Raven

Teen Titans West - Adam Beechen, Nicola Scott
Wonder Girl, Superboy, Static, Miss Martian, Aquagirl, Blue Beetle

Teen Titans East - JT Krul, Amanda Conner
Supergirl, Kid Flash, Ravager, Solstice, Aqualad, Flamebird

[theXfactor]

But aren't they all old characters? In the sense that we've seen them all before time and time again. And in the sense that, even considering the sliding reality of comic book time, are any of them even teens anymore?

2 books:

1) Young Justice ... consisting of good characters mentioned in this thread

2) Teen Titans ... 100% brand new characters, all about age 13-15.

Go crazy with a cool origin story, but I want to see new and/or actually young characters in Teen Titans. Let the now-adults or 18-29 types go in Young Justice or the Justice League or wherever. They are adults (mostly).

As far as I know, characters like Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Blue Beetle and others are all still teenagers.

[Free-Man]

Given how it turned out last time with Generation X....er, I mean the Dan Jurgens Teen Titans, I wouldn't try a completely new team of new characters. If they're going to call it Teen Titans, I think you should have at least two well known members anchoring the team.

[C-Cool]

So... the one common change in the franchise most people want is to destroy the farce known as Deathstroke's Titans...

Sounds good to me!

[Hawk_fan]

I agree with others that Deathstroke’s team should not be carrying the Titan moniker. Sometimes I really would like to know the reasoning behind some of these choices/changes DC comes up with.

The problems with past Titans books before weren’t because of the characters, but the creative teams DC elected to put on them. I’d still like to see the original Teen Titans take back the name and make the team a formidable force in the DCU (like the JLofA and JSofA). I’d like to see….

The Titans
Batman (Dick)
Donna (aka The Amazon)
Arsenal
Flash (Wally)
Cyborg
Bumblebee
Golden Eagle
Raven
Beast Boy
Thunder (new member)

I’d like to see Tempest here when he returns. Also, Flamebird would be good too after some character development in the Batwoman Title.

As for the Teen Titans I’m partial to what Geoff Johns was intending for the West Coast Titans Tower. It should be a place where teen heroes go to hang out and train. I could see Hawk and Dove as counselors/trainers. The Teen Titans would be based there as well. I’d hope to see this group of…

Teen Titans
Red Robin
Wonder Girl
Superboy
Kid Flash
Bombshell
Aqualad
Speedy II
Hardline

[OBrianTallent]

I agree with others that Deathstroke’s team should not be carrying the Titan moniker. Sometimes I really would like to know the reasoning behind some of these choices/changes DC comes up with.

The problems with past Titans books before weren’t because of the characters, but the creative teams DC elected to put on them. I’d still like to see the original Teen Titans take back the name and make the team a formidable force in the DCU (like the JLofA and JSofA). I’d like to see….

The Titans
Batman (Dick)
Donna (aka The Amazon)
Arsenal
Flash (Wally)
Cyborg
Bumblebee
Golden Eagle
Raven
Beast Boy
Thunder (new member)

I’d like to see Tempest here when he returns. Also, Flamebird would be good too after some character development in the Batwoman Title.

As for the Teen Titans I’m partial to what Geoff Johns was intending for the West Coast Titans Tower. It should be a place where teen heroes go to hang out and train. I could see Hawk and Dove as counselors/trainers. The Teen Titans would be based there as well. I’d hope to see this group of…

Teen Titans
Red Robin
Wonder Girl
Superboy
Kid Flash
Bombshell
Aqualad
Speedy II
Hardline

I agree with just about everything you said here with the exception of Bombshell, just not a character I care for and Hardline is not ringing any bells...in their place Miss Martian, Argent & Ravager.

[Skaddix]

I am okay with krul's roster even though I don't love BB and really think BB should be gone but ill leave it pretty much as is.

Teen Titans (West)
WonderGirl (Leader)
Superboy
Kid Flash
Beast Boy
Raven
Ravager
Solstice
Aqualad

But the upcoming Supergirl arc solicits suggest a pretty interesting roster although I am not sure what to call them. I would add one character though to round out the team and provide them with some magic which is the one area that they lack in. That would round out there skills nicely although I would note this team is probably more diverse skill wise despite the bat redundancy and definitely has the edge when it comes to science and engineering.

Teen Titans (East)
Supergirl (Leader)
Miss Martian
Batgirl (Steph)
Static
Blue Beetle
Robin (Damian)
Impulse (Iris West)
Zatara


Titans
And the obvious get rid of deathstroke and club on the third book and do it like World's Finest with a bunch of different team up style affairs.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

My proposal is a total NEW TITANS revamp. With several new heroes as Titans mixed with a few established ones. My roster....


Red Robin (Tim Drake) - The leader again. More of a Batman style leader this time around Tim keeps the team on its toes.

Wonder Girl (Cassie) - She is co-leader in the field if things break down. Tim trusts her with that since she has led the team before. But there are problems with the relationship as Tim has started seeing...

Ravager (Rose)- She's the edge character and it doesn't please Cassie that Tim is seeing the former villain. Plus the fact her dad is Deathstroke.

Timber Wolf III - Lon lands on Earth in this century and has no clue what its like. He is the Wolverine of the team and pushes Tim's buttons . But is a very tough fighter. Plus they feel he is best with them til they work a way to re-unite him with his world and LSH.

Conner Hawke- He wanted to retire and run a Florist Shop in LA. Instead he's dragged into the Titans by his gf. I drop the healing and bullcrap Winick put on the character. He has a more Jedi knight look (complete with beard/hair) and uses his hand to hand combat skills more.

Speedy II (Mia) - She drags Conner back into being a hero. He's reluctant and wants to retire after nearly dying. Also the fact is the 2 have kept their relationship secret from Oliver and Dinah.

Animal Boy (Carl Baker) - Buddy's son gets powers and can't really understand or control them at 1st. But with Tim's help the Titans wanna show the young Baker how he can be a hero like his dad.

Kid Lantern (John Jordan ) - Hal's nephew becomes a Green Lantern at a very young age. Usually the JSA wants a legacy but the Titans have never had a GL. And Tim makes the move to bring him in asap. (appears later in series)


I'd face new threats. Like have the team face the Fatal Furies or have em take on Royal Flush Gang. All new threats and villains for em.

[Free-Man]

I am okay with krul's roster even though I don't love BB and really think BB should be gone but ill leave it pretty much as is.

Teen Titans (West)
WonderGirl (Leader)
Superboy
Kid Flash
Beast Boy
Raven
Ravager
Solstice
Aqualad

But the upcoming Supergirl arc solicits suggest a pretty interesting roster although I am not sure what to call them. I would add one character though to round out the team and provide them with some magic which is the one area that they lack in. That would round out there skills nicely although I would note this team is probably more diverse skill wise despite the bat redundancy and definitely has the edge when it comes to science and engineering.

Teen Titans (East)
Supergirl (Leader)
Miss Martian
Batgirl (Steph)
Static
Blue Beetle
Robin (Damian)
Impulse (Iris West)
Zatara


Titans
And the obvious get rid of deathstroke and club on the third book and do it like World's Finest with a bunch of different team up style affairs.

Your Titans East roster sounds good, though I'd add in Speedy II as well. I'd imagine that Blue Beetle would be a no-no because of the inevitable JLI relaunch we'll likely be seeing after Brightest Day. I'd also keep Robin on the Teen Titans, as he has great chemistry with them, and I dont think the Titans East need a Robin AND a Batgirl.

I'd also be heavy on the teen guest-stars. I'd love to have Cassandra Cain and Catgirl (yes, she's growing on me) show up once in a while.

[theXfactor]

Your Titans East roster sounds good, though I'd add in Speedy II as well. I'd imagine that Blue Beetle would be a no-no because of the inevitable JLI relaunch we'll likely be seeing after Brightest Day. I'd also keep Robin on the Teen Titans, as he has great chemistry with them, and I dont think the Titans East need a Robin AND a Batgirl.

I'd also be heavy on the teen guest-stars. I'd love to have Cassandra Cain and Catgirl (yes, she's growing on me) show up once in a while.

I agree that Damian has a good chemistry with the TT, but I think it's even better with Steph. Blue Beetle and Miss Martian I'd put in JLI, though.

[Skaddix]

Your Titans East roster sounds good, though I'd add in Speedy II as well. I'd imagine that Blue Beetle would be a no-no because of the inevitable JLI relaunch we'll likely be seeing after Brightest Day. I'd also keep Robin on the Teen Titans, as he has great chemistry with them, and I dont think the Titans East need a Robin AND a Batgirl.

I'd also be heavy on the teen guest-stars. I'd love to have Cassandra Cain and Catgirl (yes, she's growing on me) show up once in a while.

Interesting I was trying to balance numbers and I think Damian has much better chemistry with Steph then the TT. Also guest starring Cass and Catgirl is essentially spiking your bat characters numbers anyway. Plus I think Wally's kid and Dick's robin would have some interesting interactions.

Good point on the JLI roster, still its not like characters cannot do multiple things at once besides Winick is making Jaime incompetent and useless. His biggest contribution is getting caught.

Speedy is interesting although if I lost Blue Beetle, I would probably had Connor Hawke to balance out the male to female ratio. I don't want the team to go past 10 at max and 8 is already a lot of characters.

[Skaddix]

I agree that Damian has a good chemistry with the TT, but I think it's even better with Steph. Blue Beetle and Miss Martian I'd put in JLI, though.

Hmm why would u put Miss Martian on JLI to the best of my knowledge she has not interacted with most of the team significantly besides Blue Beetle. Is there an in universe reason for this or just personal preference?

[Free-Man]

Hmm why would u put Miss Martian on JLI to the best of my knowledge she has not interacted with most of the team significantly besides Blue Beetle. Is there an in universe reason for this or just personal preference?

She could fill the roll the original Martian Manhunter had in the JLI. Just like how they have the new Rocket Red and BB to stand in for the originals.

As for "spiking my Bat-Characters", it doesn't really matter if it's just guest-spots.

[Skaddix]

She could fill the roll the original Martian Manhunter had in the JLI. Just like how they have the new Rocket Red and BB to stand in for the originals.

As for "spiking my Bat-Characters", it doesn't really matter if it's just guest-spots.

I know that I was just wondering if there was a good IU reason besides replacement. Also the replacements have not had good showings like I said BB contribution is being captured and RR contribution is stereotypical Russian.

True, just pointing it out but yes I take your point.

[Mr. Holmes]

I think the Titans should have a set-up similar to Legion of Superheroes. You have a central base in NYC or LA, but with sub-houses for Titans East, West, etc. but also internationally. In terms of the kind of threats they face, it could be like Winnick's Outsiders, but with a less dysfunctional team and with better chemistry. So you can take characters from rosters like JSA, Outsiders, or Doom Patrol that aren't being used in said team books.

Kind of like how Grant Morrison planned the X-Corporation, and is using a similar idea for Batman Inc, Titans would be an international hero community. Speaking of which, with Dick Grayson's links to both Titans and Batman, Batman Inc could transfer to this idea. Though the Titans would be more like rangers than businessmen.

[theXfactor]

Hmm why would u put Miss Martian on JLI to the best of my knowledge she has not interacted with most of the team significantly besides Blue Beetle. Is there an in universe reason for this or just personal preference?

Not really. :tongue:
I just think she would be a cool replacement for Martian Manhunter.

[Skaddix]

Not really. :tongue:
I just think she would be a cool replacement for Martian Manhunter.

okay thats cool just wondering

[theXfactor]

okay thats cool just wondering

Plus I think it would be interesting to see an innocent character like Miss Martian handling issues like wars and terrorist attacks. Her connection to MM was my first reason for including her on the team, but thinking about it, I think it could provide a good amount of character development for her. :wink:

[Samy]

Revert TITANS to the Winick concept. It was the execution that sucked, not the basic concept. The team should be anchored by Dick, Wally and Donna. Their absolute first priority should be fixing whatever the hell is wrong with Roy right now. They wouldn't let their friend suffer like he is right now, and it just rings so damn wrong that they're not lifting a finger.

TEEN TITANS is mostly fine as it is, except remove Changeling and Raven the hell out of that book. What the hell are they doing there anyway? They have no ties to the characters, they aren't the same age, they are so out of place. The team should be anchored by the classic quartet of Tim, Kon, Cassie and Bart.

[theXfactor]

Where are your signature micro heroes in this post?!!


Ok, I've finished my Titans team:

http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/16/05/73/71/titans10.png

[silents47]

For me, Titans would be Donna, Wally, Kory, Cyborg, Beast Boy and Raven. Dick's moved on to the A-list (not that Wally hadn't, but Barry's return screwed him hard), and in my mind, has no place on any team that isn't the JLA or Batman Inc. (and that second one is questionable). If a leader was required, it'd be Donna, but I'd prefer it to be a more democratic team, if such a thing is possible. I'll be honest, though, not one of those characters matters worth half a crap to me. They could form a team and get crushed by falling rocks in issue #0 and all I'd think is "Aww man, watching Trouble in Tokyo is going to be totally awkward now."

The Teen Titans would be Superboy, Wonder Girl, Bart Allen as Impulse (a guy can dream), Blue Beetle, Ravager, Speedy II, Miss Martian, Aqualad, Static and Damian, with Wonder Girl leading. I feel like Tim's moved too far down his own road to be a Teen Titan any more, even though I obviously couldn't see him not responding to a distress call from them. I'd love to get a Batgirl or Kara Zor-El on this team, but I'm all SG+Brainy4EVAR and want her in the Legion, and I like Steph exactly the way she is. Also, Cassandra doesn't quite strike me as a "teammate."

Also, I'd love to see Teen Titans as a real all-ages book. They can get themselves promoted to the real damn League if they want to get killed off horrifically for no reason.

And it'd be nice to be able to reread the comics without any more "oh, that's right, that guy's a serial rapist" Funny Aneurysm Moments (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FunnyAneurysmMoment).

[Skaddix]

The Teen Titans would be Superboy, Wonder Girl, Bart Allen as Impulse (a guy can dream), Blue Beetle, Ravager, Speedy II, Miss Martian, Aqualad, Static and Damian, with Wonder Girl leading. I feel like Tim's moved too far down his own road to be a Teen Titan any more, even though I obviously couldn't see him not responding to a distress call from them. I'd love to get a Batgirl or Kara Zor-El on this team, but I'm all SG+Brainy4EVAR and want her in the Legion, and I like Steph exactly the way she is. Also, Cassandra doesn't quite strike me as a "teammate."


I like the sound of that team, I would love both kara and steph but when your team starts heading into double digits u need two books. Never been a big fan of SG and the Legion mostly because the Legion has way too many characters who cannot get panel time already and they dont need a big name like SG or SB taking what little they do get.

[silents47]

I like the sound of that team, I would love both kara and steph but when your team starts heading into double digits u need two books. Never been a big fan of SG and the Legion mostly because the Legion has way too many characters who cannot get panel time already and they dont need a big name like SG or SB taking what little they do get.

Looking back on my post, I'm thinking you're right about double digits; the arbitrary limit isn't what bothers me, but the fact that 10 is a hell of a lot for a good team book. Not that I really need to be changing my theoretical lineup until DC hires me *cough*, but Superboy, Wonder Girl, Bart Allen, Blue Beetle, Miss Martian, Aqualad and Damian is probably enough for me.

[Skaddix]

Looking back on my post, I'm thinking you're right about double digits; the arbitrary limit isn't what bothers me, but the fact that 10 is a hell of a lot for a good team book. Not that I really need to be changing my theoretical lineup until DC hires me *cough*, but Superboy, Wonder Girl, Bart Allen, Blue Beetle, Miss Martian, Aqualad and Damian is probably enough for me.

Yeah, I think ideal team roster at max is like 7-8, once u get past that and especially into double digits it becomes really hard to give everyone good panel time and character development. Its not so much about in arbitrary limit as it is feasibility. Naturally of course u can go with more if your going with the rotating cast or if u want to go support group heavy but for a true team book with everyone as roughly equal 7-8 should be about max.

[theyallfalldown]

Ok, I've finished my Titans team:

http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/16/05/73/71/titans10.png

See this is why I love your posts!you gave starfire pants!I always actually liked the pants on her that she wore during Devon graysons titans series!

I'd say include wally just because he isn't doing much at the moment,and I'd be tempted to include argent as the viewer focus and the energy wielder akin to a green lantern,but maybe not!!Throw on tempest too why not!?lol

[Skaddix]

Ok, I've finished my Titans team:

http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/16/05/73/71/titans10.png

Nice I could definitely go that although I would add Wally and probably Roy. After all I fully support BB and Raven off Teen Titans if given the option.

[theXfactor]

Thanks, guys. I think I'll add Wally and Roy, too.

[theyallfalldown]

Thanks, guys. I think I'll add Wally and Roy, too.

Not Roy!anything but Roy! Sorry I kinda hate him now,have done since he was in the new justice league,very underwhelmed by him which is a shame I quite liked him in outsiders!

[theXfactor]

Not Roy!anything but Roy! Sorry I kinda hate him now,have done since he was in the new justice league,very underwhelmed by him which is a shame I quite liked him in outsiders!

I thought his ride to redemption would be a good plot point. In the ned he'd look more like the Outsiders version ;)
I thought more about it and I will include Argent as well instead of Wally (he'd get his own ongoing).

[theyallfalldown]

I thought his ride to redemption would be a good plot point. In the ned he'd look more like the Outsiders version ;)
I thought more about it and I will include Argent as well instead of Wally (he'd get his own ongoing).

I love argent as a character,but it's what to do with her,in my eyes she would be too ok to be a teen titan,but some might say too young to be a Titan?it's difficult!I likes your Donna costume too!!

[theXfactor]

I love argent as a character,but it's what to do with her,in my eyes she would be too ok to be a teen titan,but some might say too young to be a Titan?it's difficult!

I liked your suggestion about including her, it would offer a good dynamic to have someone who didn't grow up with the others. She'd be more of an outsiders and would provide a fresh view on things. Plus she has already worked together with Roy, Donna and Beast Boy.


I likes your Donna costume too!!

Thanks ;)

[4sake]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/JLT.jpg

Cyborg leads a new Justice League team. The JLT..

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/YJ2.jpg

Tim D. & Super Boy reform Young Justice after the break up of the TT..

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/TTT.jpg

After the TT break up.. Static & Blue Beetle began to team each other & slowly create a new Teen Titans..

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Wth, I just checked my 4 sites of reference and couldn't find some of these. Want to know where you guys got...


http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/16/05/73/71/titans10.png
I guess everyone. The females have a face I've never seen.


[IMG]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/TTT.jpg

Damian

Thanks guys!

[the Hornet]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/JLT.jpg

Cyborg leads a new Justice League team. The JLT..

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/YJ2.jpg

Tim D. & Super Boy reform Young Justice after the break up of the TT..

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/TTT.jpg

After the TT break up.. Static & Blue Beetle began to team each other & slowly create a new Teen Titans..

I like it, particularly the Justice League Titans part. It can be an official Justice League team and yet have its root from the Titans.

But arent YJ suppossed to be a younger group than The Teen Titans? Shouldnt the membership be the other way round as in Tim in TT and robin in YJ ?

[Skaddix]

I like it, particularly the Justice League Titans part. It can be an official Justice League team and yet have its root from the Titans.

But arent YJ suppossed to be a younger group than The Teen Titans? Shouldnt the membership be the other way round as in Tim in TT and robin in YJ ?

Not really the YJ4 probably should be on the YJ team not to mention aqualad, miss martian and speedy should be there because of the show.

[silents47]

Not really the YJ4 probably should be on the YJ team not to mention aqualad, miss martian and speedy should be there because of the show.

Speedy's not even on the team in the show :redface:

[theXfactor]

Wth, I just checked my 4 sites of reference and couldn't find some of these. Want to know where you guys got...

I guess everyone. The females have a face I've never seen.



I made them myself ;)

[theXfactor]

Cool teams, 4. My favorite is Teen Titans. I decided to change my TT a bit, I'll post it as soon as I finish my micros.

[4sake]

I like it, particularly the Justice League Titans part. It can be an official Justice League team and yet have its root from the Titans.

But arent YJ suppossed to be a younger group than The Teen Titans? Shouldnt the membership be the other way round as in Tim in TT and robin in YJ ?

Glad you like the JLT. YJ was Tim & etc team so I didn't think made sense (with in story) make YJ team with all new roster.. Plus I wanted the roster of the YJ to look similar to the t.v. roster

Like why would Static & Blue Beetle restarted YJ when they could restart TT if they really want to make a team.

With TT I wanted to do a mostly all new TT team with mostly this generation heroes/new heroes (BB, Dam, Impulse Twins, Lorena, Offspring.. While Static was created way before then he was used/brought back my DC till recently.)



Damian

Thanks guys!

Glad you like..:cool:


Cool teams, 4. My favorite is Teen Titans. I decided to change my TT a bit, I'll post it as soon as I finish my micros.

Glad ya think so & that you like the TT set up. OK cool look forward to seeing them..

[Skaddix]

Speedy's not even on the team in the show :redface:

I know but she is the only female archer they have so rough equivalency still holds.

[theyallfalldown]

i made a last minute sub from tim drake to batgirl(cass) hey there can be two green arrows, a million green lanterns but not two batgirls? this can be her home, as she doesnt have one at the moment, and i feel she really could do with the family aspect.

so overall a pretty diverse team hopefully

also i made wondergirl less stupid bi,bo girl(after helping her out in dcu online i realised how much she has changed) reverting more towards her tomboyish ways, and more inline with the vision we saw of her from the young justice sins of youth series.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee286/domino1987/youngjusticejl.jpg

also who wouldnt wanna see more ravager and batgirl?it would be like a beautiful balet but with violence.

steel provides tech support and knowledge, speedy is back and embodying more of her little red riding hood aspect, and blue beetle because hes blue beetle! a list potential for sure!

[silents47]

I know but she is the only female archer they have so rough equivalency still holds.

You mean Artemis? Mia Dearden, the only female Speedy, doesn't even exist in the YJ show universe (Earth-16).

[Skaddix]

You mean Artemis? Mia Dearden, the only female Speedy, doesn't even exist in the YJ show universe (Earth-16).

Yes thats why its rough equivalency the only female teen archer available in DC comics is really Mia so u swap her in for Artemis. Much like u change Bart for Wally.

[silents47]

Yes thats why its rough equivalency the only female teen archer available in DC comics is really Mia so u swap her in for Artemis. Much like u change Bart for Wally.

Mia's only the only one if you ignore Arrowette from the original YJ... who Artemis basically is. Are you suggesting that it would have been better if they left Roy-Speedy out, left the original YJ archer out, and replaced both of them with Mia?

Don't really see DC going for it.

[TAG]

Revert TITANS to the Winick concept. It was the execution that sucked, not the basic concept. The team should be anchored by Dick, Wally and Donna. Their absolute first priority should be fixing whatever the hell is wrong with Roy right now. They wouldn't let their friend suffer like he is right now, and it just rings so damn wrong that they're not lifting a finger.

Samy, I'm with you...from the Winick concept to the Titans being Dick, Wally, Donna, and Roy. I'd also add that it would be great to see Dick and Wally get their own books back. Let's see if it ever happens.:confused:

[Skaddix]

Mia's only the only one if you ignore Arrowette from the original YJ... who Artemis basically is. Are you suggesting that it would have been better if they left Roy-Speedy out, left the original YJ archer out, and replaced both of them with Mia?

Don't really see DC going for it.

Sorry never read YJ so I forgot about her. but u make a good point either one works fine. But I assume DC would want the one tied to the Green Arrow Franchise. Also Speedy was a founding member albeit the last, Arrowette was not and is not even considered a core YJ member while Roy was for the original titans.

[Free-Man]

Mia's only the only one if you ignore Arrowette from the original YJ... who Artemis basically is. Are you suggesting that it would have been better if they left Roy-Speedy out, left the original YJ archer out, and replaced both of them with Mia?

Don't really see DC going for it.

I'm not sure if I'd say Artemis is basically arrowette. They have similar deigns, but given that one of the producers just said that Artemis is half-Asian, I don't think she's intended to be Cissie King.

I get what ya mean about her being the Artemis analogue in this case, but she's still retired isn't she?

[theXfactor]

Samy, I'm with you...from the Winick concept to the Titans being Dick, Wally, Donna, and Roy. I'd also add that it would be great to see Dick and Wally get their own books back. Let's see if it ever happens.:confused:

Wally really needs his own book. If I worked at DC I'd launch an ongoing featuring Wally, Iris and the kids called Flash Family. :smile:

[Skaddix]

Wally really needs his won book. If I worked at DC I'd launch an ongoing featuring Wally, Iris and the kids called Flash Family. :smile:

i think that is what flash: speed force is basically going to be.

[silents47]

Sorry never read YJ so I forgot about her. but u make a good point either one works fine. But I assume DC would want the one tied to the Green Arrow Franchise. Also Speedy was a founding member albeit the last, Arrowette was not and is not even considered a core YJ member while Roy was for the original titans.

That's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make if you never read YJ. Of course Arrowette was a "core member" of Young Justice. She was as "core" as Wonder Girl for the majority of the series.

[theXfactor]

i think that is what flash: speed force is basically going to be.

As far as I know, it will be a book about all speedsters, not just Wally and his family.

[Skaddix]

As far as I know, it will be a book about all speedsters, not just Wally and his family.

true but wally and fam should make up the bulk.

[theXfactor]

true but wally and fam should make up the bulk.

Maybe Wally and Impulse, but I don't think his wife and son will get much focus compared to characters like Kid Flash, Jesse Quick, Joel Cyclone and Max Mercury (don't know if Barry will appear).

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Maybe Wally and Impulse, but I don't think his wife and son will get much focus compared to characters like Kid Flash, Jesse Quick, Joel Cyclone and Max Mercury (don't know if Barry will appear).

Joel Cyclone? Who?

[Skaddix]

Joel Cyclone? Who?

Yeah i have no idea who that is either.

[theXfactor]

LOL. Messed up. I meant Jay Garrick. I've just read an article saying that was his name in Brazil. :tongue:

[Mr. Holmes]

Revert TITANS to the Winick concept. It was the execution that sucked, not the basic concept.

I disagree. It was basically a high school reunion of the original Teen Titans without any purpose other than said reunion. I think they should find a stronger premise for the Titans to work. My suggestion is that it becomes a more wide spread superhero training network like Legion of Superheroes (but in the present and on Earth).

[Vic Vega]

I disagree. It was basically a high school reunion of the original Teen Titans without any purpose other than said reunion. I think they should find a stronger premise for the Titans to work. My suggestion is that it becomes a more wide spread superhero training network like Legion of Superheroes (but in the present and on Earth).

That was somewhat the premise of the Johns relaunch. Cyborg Starfire and Changeling were supposed to be training Robin, Superboy and the rest.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

That was somewhat the premise of the Johns relaunch. Cyborg Starfire and Changeling were supposed to be training Robin, Superboy and the rest.

The only problem is that guys like Robin, Superboy, Impulse and WG all have mentors, but there are a lot of teen heroes that don't. They're going about it all wrong if they want to train the next generation. The YJ crew are anything but inexperienced and have faced big threats in their time. They may not be at Justice League level of experience but at their current ages, I'd say they're just as capable if not more so as Cyborg and crew were back then.

If they're going to use the Titans brand as a training ground then they need to spread their reach significantly. Go after all of those kids that wound up in the Dark Side Club. Try to reach out to the kids from the failed Titans East start-up.

Marvel tried something similar with the Initiative and managed to make it work. It's just a matter of finding the right balance of experience and fresh blood.

[Vic Vega]

The only problem is that guys like Robin, Superboy, Impulse and WG all have mentors, but there are a lot of teen heroes that don't. They're going about it all wrong if they want to train the next generation. The YJ crew are anything but inexperienced and have faced big threats in their time. They may not be at Justice League level of experience but at their current ages, I'd say they're just as capable if not more so as Cyborg and crew were back then.

If they're going to use the Titans brand as a training ground then they need to spread their reach significantly. Go after all of those kids that wound up in the Dark Side Club. Try to reach out to the kids from the failed Titans East start-up.

Marvel tried something similar with the Initiative and managed to make it work. It's just a matter of finding the right balance of experience and fresh blood.

Yes, who trains you when you AREN'T a JSA legacy?

They (The Titans) could train up the surviving East Coasters and the "One Year Later Gap" Titans.

Some of those guys like Son Of Vulcan, Offspring and Young Frankenstein were pretty intriguing.

The other thing I'd do, would be to add Supergirl, Kyle Rayner, Grace and Thunder to what we think of as the classic New Titans line up. There are enough crushes, busted romances and hook ups in that bunch to make it interesting for readers soap-opera wise and the Titans line up would finally have enough power for the punch it up fans..

Their job would be to train up the c-listers (and protect the earth while they are at it) but what they are really there for is each other.

[theXfactor]

My Teen Titans:

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/xft_photos/Micros%20sets/teentitans.png

[Ben D]

Make it Titans, and it can have teen and adult titans.

[nj06]

My Teen Titans:

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/xft_photos/Micros%20sets/teentitans.png

That to me is a great line-up.

Although, since I know next to little about Solstice I would probably replace her with Ms. Martian.

[theXfactor]

That to me is a great line-up.

Thanks :wink:


Although, since I know next to little about Solstice I would probably replace her with Ms. Martian.

Solstice sounds very interesting, so I wanted her on the team. Miss Martian would be in my Titans East line-up.

[nj06]

Thanks :wink:



Solstice sounds very interesting, so I wanted her on the team. Miss Martian would be in my Titans East line-up.

Has it been explained what her powers are? I assume that it has something to do with light, but is there anything official about her powers?

[theXfactor]

Has it been explained what her powers are? I assume that it has something to do with light, but is there anything official about her powers?

Not really. In the Wonder Girl one-shot, it looked like she had energy powers, but it wasn't fully explained.

[carabas]

My Teen Titans:

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/xft_photos/Micros%20sets/teentitans.pngWho are the two on the right? Thunder and Grace?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Who are the two on the right? Thunder and Grace?

Solstice (not yet fully introduced, she's been making like 2-page appearances in the last few TT) and the new Aqualad (as seen in Brightest Day)

[theXfactor]

Who are the two on the right? Thunder and Grace?

LOL. "Grace" is a man (Aqualad).


Solstice (not yet fully introduced, she's been making like 2-page appearances in the last few TT) and the new Aqualad (as seen in Brightest Day)

Dr. Cheesesteak got it right :wink:

[JohnnyHorror92182]

Teen Titans is fine as it is.

We don't need another "Original Titans" reunion book. (i.e. Dick, Donna, Roy, Wally, etc.). They have grown up and moved on to better things.

Deathstrokes Titans Rule \m/