Sandman Volume 12? (Dream Hunters, Murder Mysteries, and other various uncollected)

[savagedoctor]

Would anyone be interested if DC were to publish create a new Sandman vol 11 to collect all Gaiman stuff not collected already in the present Sandman & Death volumes? Some or all of this stuff is now collected in the 4 Absolute Sandman + Absolute Death, but if you collect and read the trades, or if you don't can't afford the Absolute Editions, then you don't have access to it unless you do some serious hunting. This is my list of stuff that isn't in any of the existing trades (Sandman Vols 1-10, endless nights, dream hunters (both versions), or the two Death trades). All combined, it would make a really a nice additional vol 11, be approx 150 pages:

-Sandman Midnight Theatre (1995), by Gaiman, where Wesley Dodds, the Golden Age Sandman, meets Lord Morpheus of The Endless, the Modern Age Sandman (currently the only Endless story collected in NEIL GAIMAN'S MIDNIGHT DAYS)
-Death short story "The Wheel" from the 9-11 tribute book
-exclusive Sandman tale in "THE SANDMAN: DUST COVERS - THE COLLECTED SANDMAN COVERS"
-Vertigo: Winter's Edge (1997), a 10-page Desire story by Gaiman and John Bolton
-Vertigo: Winter's Edge 2 (1998), a six-page Death story by Gaiman and Jeff Jones
-Vertigo: Winter's Edge III (1999), a nine-page Desire story by Gaiman and Michael Zulli
-pin-up pages from galleries in THE SANDMAN #50 and SANDMAN SPECIAL #1
-A Death Gallery, a collection of artwork depicting Death.
-The Sandman: A Gallery of Dreams, a collection of artwork depicting Dream.
-The Endless Gallery, a collection of artwork depicting The Endless.
-The Vertigo Gallery: Dreams and Nightmares (1995)

Also apparently the absolute editions contain -"two never-before-reprinted stories by Gaiman (one prose and one illustrated)", I'm not sure what these are.

Is there any other Sandman/ Death/ Endless stuff by Gaiman?

This would be a win-win situation!!! DC would make more money, and the fans would get these stories. Please DC, please publish this book!!!

[thedigitalfacade]

There was a recent Vertigo Resurrected : Winters Edge special that reprinted some, if not all of the Endless stories from Winters Edge, if that helps you out any.

[savagedoctor]

There was a recent Vertigo Resurrected : Winters Edge special that reprinted some, if not all of the Endless stories from Winters Edge, if that helps you out any.

Thanks, ya, I came across that after I posted lol. It apparently had the 3 stories in it. but it would be nice to get all the stories and art in a nice complete volume too!

[savagedoctor]

And i should add that with the exception of Carey's Lucifer, i'm not really interested in the other non-Gaiman non-Sandman vertigo stuff. but i'll still check it out if i can still find a copy.

[dancj]

How much of that stuff is already colected in Neil Gaiman's Midnight Days and the other Sandman volumes? I know Sandman Midnight Theatre is - and the Learning to Fly story which I think was in one of those Winters Edge books.

I think if you took that out and all of those gallery books that don't actually have any story pages, you'd be left with a very thin book.

[sendingsignal]

Personally, thin or no, I'm up for everything being collected in bookshelf format.

[savagedoctor]

Personally, thin or no, I'm up for everything being collected in bookshelf format.

Ya, me too. I picked up the P. Craig Russell Dream Hunters trade at my LCS' Boxing Day sale, and I am re-reading it and rereading it, it is so good. Its a bit thin, but worth every penny. And that's how I feel about any new Sandman trade, I'd love to have it as part of my Sandman collection.

Thanks everyone for responses so far! :cool:

[savagedoctor]

Hey, I trade-waited this, finally picked up the SC trade at Christmas time, it is fantastic !!! I love this book, I'm re-reading it for the 3rd or 4th time.

What is everyone else's opinion? I am really enjoying the art by P.Craig Russell, it seems perfectly suited to the story. :smile:

How does it compare to the Yoshitaka Amano version?

(P.S. I'm surprised that I couldn't find a thread on this forum about this book???)

[El Sombrero]

This is sorta on-topic, I figure I may as well post this here instead of starting a new thread:

Can you read Endless Nights at any point in the series, or should you really save it for the end? I've read through the first 5 volumes (through A Game of You) and the two Death specials, and while I do intend on finishing the series, I kinda wanted to buy (and read) Endless Nights next.

[savagedoctor]

Has anyone read "Murder Mysteries" by Gaiman, illustrated by P.Craig Russell, and published by Dark Horse? Apparently it's an unofficial Sandman prequel detailing what happens in the Silver City (depicted in Season of Mists) causing Lucifer's fall. I've seen the art preview, it looks fantastic.

Since I'm dying to read any new Gaiman-penned Sandman, I guess Dark Horse is gonna get my my money until DC kindly pay Gaiman to write that Sandman Zero (or publish a new collection) :cool:

[savagedoctor]

This is sorta on-topic, I figure I may as well post this here instead of starting a new thread:

Can you read Endless Nights at any point in the series, or should you really save it for the end? I've read through the first 5 volumes (through A Game of You) and the two Death specials, and while I do intend on finishing the series, I kinda wanted to buy (and read) Endless Nights next.

Good question, if I recall, most of it you can read at any point... BUT... the delerium story is a definite spoiler for both Brief Lives and for the final outcome of the series. I strongly advise leaving it until you finish the series.

You can read Dream Hunters though (either version) :smile:

[El Sombrero]

Thanks for the response. I may pick it up and just hold off on reading it then; it seems to be harder to find in stores than the regular volumes and I don't want it to go out of print and then have to bother with getting it online.

Is Dream Hunters worth it? I was going to pass on it...I read a few pages of it at a bookstore and I didn't really like how Gaiman's writing came off in prose, and the artwork seemed kinda pointless if it wasn't being used to tell the story. If people say it's really good though I could give it a shot.

[savagedoctor]

Thanks for the response. I may pick it up and just hold off on reading it then; it seems to be harder to find in stores than the regular volumes and I don't want it to go out of print and then have to bother with getting it online.

Is Dream Hunters worth it? I was going to pass on it...I read a few pages of it at a bookstore and I didn't really like how Gaiman's writing came off in prose, and the artwork seemed kinda pointless if it wasn't being used to tell the story. If people say it's really good though I could give it a shot.

There are two versions of Dream Hunters, the Comic-P.Craig Russell version, which just came out in 2010, and the Prose-Yoshitaka Amano version, published in 2002 I think. I got the softcover trade of the P.Craig Russell version, and I think it's fantastic, strongly recommended. I can't comment about the prose version (I bought it as a gift for a former gf, then we broke up and I never read it lol). :cool:

[El Sombrero]

Yeah I heard that there were two versions (of DH). I have never actually read anything with P. Craig Russell art...I know he does a story in Endless Nights so I can check that out, and if I really like it, I could check out his version of DH. Heck, even if there are spoilers I may just go ahead and read Endless Nights next. It looks really really cool and since I'm a slow reader and don't buy the Sandman trades that frequently (I maybe pick a new one up every 3-4 months), I don't want to wait like 2 years to get to it. :biggrin:

[savagedoctor]

Yeah I heard that there were two versions (of DH). I have never actually read anything with P. Craig Russell art...I know he does a story in Endless Nights so I can check that out, and if I really like it, I could check out his version of DH. Heck, even if there are spoilers I may just go ahead and read Endless Nights next. It looks really really cool and since I'm a slow reader and don't buy the Sandman trades that frequently (I maybe pick a new one up every 3-4 months), I don't want to wait like 2 years to get to it. :biggrin:

Sounds good!
If you have Fables and Reflections, there is a P.Craig Russell story in there, "Ramadam", fyi.
Also if you google "P.Craig Russell", you can check out his art... he is considered one of the greats.

[savagedoctor]

even if there are spoilers I may just go ahead and read Endless Nights next. It looks really really cool and since I'm a slow reader and don't buy the Sandman trades that frequently (I maybe pick a new one up every 3-4 months), I don't want to wait like 2 years to get to it. :biggrin:

PS the Endless Nights Morpheus story illustrated by Miguelanxo Prado is alone worth the price of admission :)

[sendingsignal]

Endless Nights should definitely be read after. Like most of Sandman, it doesn't necessarily work in chronological order, but it works best as an epilogue to the series.

Dream Hunters can be read more of anywhere, but I think it works best if you know the characters well.

[sendingsignal]

we were just talking about this in another thread, on an 11th sandman collection, or something.

I haven't read this one yet, though I enjoyed the original version. For a while it confused me, since both trades have the same name!

[sendingsignal]

huh, no, I haven't. Is it designed to be read before Sandman? Lucifer was one of my favorite all time comics, so anything to do with that is very much of interest.

I've never heard of this one before, actually.

[thedigitalfacade]

Murder Mysteries is probably my personal favorite of all Gaiman's stories, it's a great story, with a fantastic ending that you can't quite call a twist, but it does mess with your head and heart to an intense degree. There is a prose version in Smoke and Mirrors, a short story collection by Gaiman, but this version is in my opinion superior, complemented by the amazing art of P.Craig Russell.


The main part of the story deal with the narrator coming to L.A. to see a girl named Tink and visiting her and meeting her daughter, etc. He then goes on a walk and meets a bum who in repay for a smoke, tells him a story. the man is acutally Raguel, an angel who had to solve the mystery of the first murder in heaven.

Murder Mysteries has no official ties to Sandman but it does deal with angels and locales seen in the series itself, you could tie it in if you felt so inclined, it does show Lucifer becoming angry and disillusioned. Although an angel in this story is named Azazel, which was the name of a demon in Sandman.

All in all, a great story and worth reading.

[Michael P]

There's already an eleventh Sandman volume: Endless Nights.

That said, if they wanted to do a Vol. 12 with some of the material mentioned in the OP, I might check it out.

[sendingsignal]

I got confused for a second, but it looks like a mod combined the threads, right? Thanks mod!

I'll check it out. It's cool to think that gaiman could easily write non-dc sandman universe stories, since so many aspects wouldn't require DC copyrights.

[noh-varr]

Murder Mysteries is probably my personal favorite of all Gaiman's stories, it's a great story, with a fantastic ending that you can't quite call a twist, but it does mess with your head and heart to an intense degree. There is a prose version in Smoke and Mirrors, a short story collection by Gaiman, but this version is in my opinion superior, complemented by the amazing art of P.Craig Russell.

The main part of the story deal with the narrator coming to L.A. to see a girl named Tink and visiting her and meeting her daughter, etc. He then goes on a walk and meets a bum who in repay for a smoke, tells him a story. the man is acutally Raguel, an angel who had to solve the mystery of the first murder in heaven.

Murder Mysteries has no official ties to Sandman but it does deal with angels and locales seen in the series itself, you could tie it in if you felt so inclined, it does show Lucifer becoming angry and disillusioned. Although an angel in this story is named Azazel, which was the name of a demon in Sandman.

All in all, a great story and worth reading.

I remember reading the short story, and it was brilliant, I didn't know it was adapted into a comic or anything. When I read it I never thought of it as a possible prequel, but it does work as such. If nothing else it is definitely the same Lucifer in Murder Mysteries and Sandman just at different points in their lives and relationship with God and Heaven.


I got confused for a second, but it looks like a mod combined the threads, right? Thanks mod!

Yep, in my first real act of modness I merged the threads! All the thread merging power at the click of my mouse!!!:cool:

[savagedoctor]

There's already an eleventh Sandman volume: Endless Nights.

That said, if they wanted to do a Vol. 12 with some of the material mentioned in the OP, I might check it out.

My bad, you are right. i got the mod to edit the thread title. Thanks!

[jabrams007]

Murder Mysteries is probably my personal favorite of all Gaiman's stories, it's a great story, with a fantastic ending that you can't quite call a twist, but it does mess with your head and heart to an intense degree. There is a prose version in Smoke and Mirrors, a short story collection by Gaiman, but this version is in my opinion superior, complemented by the amazing art of P.Craig Russell.


The main part of the story deal with the narrator coming to L.A. to see a girl named Tink and visiting her and meeting her daughter, etc. He then goes on a walk and meets a bum who in repay for a smoke, tells him a story. the man is acutally Raguel, an angel who had to solve the mystery of the first murder in heaven.

Murder Mysteries has no official ties to Sandman but it does deal with angels and locales seen in the series itself, you could tie it in if you felt so inclined, it does show Lucifer becoming angry and disillusioned. Although an angel in this story is named Azazel, which was the name of a demon in Sandman.

All in all, a great story and worth reading.

At the New York Comicon a couple years ago, Neil was there, and after his panel was over, he invited the audience to ask questions. I got up, went to the mic and asked if the Lucifer in Sandman is the same Lucifer in Murder Mysteries. Neil answered that since they were for different publishers, the answer was "No." But then he kind of winked at the audience.

Whether they're the same angel or not, Murder Mysteries is great, and could easily be seen as that first little doubt in Lucifer's mind, eventually causing him to rebel against Heaven.

[savagedoctor]

At the New York Comicon a couple years ago, Neil was there, and after his panel was over, he invited the audience to ask questions. I got up, went to the mic and asked if the Lucifer in Sandman is the same Lucifer in Murder Mysteries. Neil answered that since they were for different publishers, the answer was "No." But then he kind of winked at the audience.

Whether they're the same angel or not, Murder Mysteries is great, and could easily be seen as that first little doubt in Lucifer's mind, eventually causing him to rebel against Heaven.

Cool, thanks for posting that awesome clarification. Now I totally have another reason to get Murder Mysteries to "complete" my Sandman Collection then :biggrin:

[savagedoctor]

No End in sight for the Endless- life drawing of models dressed as endless characters in NY:

http://www.drsketchy.com/site/comments/endless_love