CBR: Rick Remender's Military "Venom"

[CBR News]

The writer behind Marvel's "Uncanny X-Force" relaunch talks to CBR about teaming with frequent partner Tony Moore for a para-military take on the Spider-Man monster and the mystery hero caught in the middle.


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29972).

[mastadge]

"Let's see...what could I say? It's somebody you know and not a new character. It's one of those things that feels very natural. While it is a stretch, there is history to reinforce the decision. And if there weren't, I wouldn't jump to do this."

Reminds of the greatest mystery of the last few years: Who is the Red Hulk!?!?!

[coconutphone]

"Let's see...what could I say? It's somebody you know and not a new character. It's one of those things that feels very natural. While it is a stretch, there is history to reinforce the decision. And if there weren't, I wouldn't jump to do this."

Reminds of the greatest mystery of the last few years: Who is the Red Hulk!?!?!


LOL

Wait you are being sarcastic right?

[hotrodimus]

havent been reading spider-man for years... but my guesses

flash thompson
harry osborn
jonah jameson

[johnnyrocket]

So, Flash Thompson? Military experience. Lost his legs but can walk again with the symbiote....

Just don't kill him and then resurrect him as FrankenThompson....

[Pyramid]

654.1? Reminds me of Image'2 1/2 issues during the 90s. There's some cool stuff to this but I think I'll wait for the trade.

[cartoonduck]

I hope it's not Flash that seems kind of Avatar like to do that with him. My guess is it's John Jameson. Considering he's been down the supernatural road before and it sounds like they want to have the Venom series be about fighting monsters and he could probably get a recommendation from Steve Rogers to be part of that kind of government program.

[thecrimson]

I'm guessing Flash or JJJ's son.

[thecrimson]

I hope it's not Flash that seems kind of Avatar like to do that with him. My guess is it's John Jameson. Considering he's been down the supernatural road before and it sounds like they want to have the Venom series be about fighting monsters and he could probably get a recommendation from Steve Rogers to be part of that kind of government program.

Even though I think Flash, Jameson would be a good match.

[rpriske]

It's got to be Flash. Anybody else would be a let-down.

[ian33407]

...why not Ben Reily ?

then this VENOM title could be everything Marvel wanted to do with SPIDERMAN but couldn't, and this will be a hit certainly..

[0bsessions]

Both Jameson and Flash make sense for this: military background, prominent role in the book of late.

Personally, I'd bet on Flash, though. his history with addiction lends itself well to the idea of having to ration the use of the symbiote.

[SephirothDZX]

...why not Ben Reily ?

then this VENOM title could be everything Marvel wanted to do with SPIDERMAN but couldn't, and this will be a hit certainly..

Honestly, I kind of think Reily as Venom would be a fucking awesome idea. Unfortunately it wouldnt go far because too many people would complain that it reminded them of the Clone Saga.

I'm guessing either Flash or JJ's kid.







I still want Eddie Brock back as Venom ;_;

[dsimons1]

my money's on Flash.

[The One and Only]

I'm aiming towards Flash Thompson myself. But on the other hand with John Jameson's extensive experience with dealing with the superhuman community ,as Captain America's pilot, and being in the Avengers support staff. And his own dealings with the negative effects of superhuman powers. The wierd spores he was infected with during a spacewalk, and the whole Man-Wolf embroilio. Then his own experiences with mental problems. After the pendant that turned him into Man-Wolf was removed, he had a bit of breakdown, and checked himself into an institution. Where he was kidnapped by the Scorpion in Amazing Spider-Man Annual#21 , along with JJJ then future bride, Marla Madesen.

[Schmed]

Where he was kidnapped by the Scorpion in Amazing Spider-Man Annual#21 , along with JJJ then future bride, Marla Madesen.


Just to clear that up, it was in Annual #18. But a good point none the less!

[Mundungus]

My money is on Flash or John Jameson.

Honestly, I'd be cool with either of them. But still, I'm actually excited for this and I've never been big on the Venom thing.

[The One and Only]

Thanks Schmed, I was a bit unsteady on that annual. Excellent story by the way. The Scorpion portrayed in a rather fearsome light, and Jonah Jameson willing to throw himself on the sword to save his future wife and son from the nutjob.

[archash]

...why not Ben Reily ?

then this VENOM title could be everything Marvel wanted to do with SPIDERMAN but couldn't, and this will be a hit certainly..

dude

THIS.WOULD.ROCK!

now if we could only make Stephen Wacker agree with this *looks for brain washing hypnotizing equipment*

though a lot of arrows point to Flash and John Jameson...which would be cool as well

[Schmed]

Thanks Schmed, I was a bit unsteady on that annual. Excellent story by the way. The Scorpion portrayed in a rather fearsome light, and Jonah Jameson willing to throw himself on the sword to save his future wife and son from the nutjob.

Yeah for sure, that's one of my favorite annuals! On an off topic note one of my favorite annuals is actually annual #10, the first app of the FLY!

[coconutphone]

Yeah for sure, that's one of my favorite annuals! On an off topic note one of my favorite annuals is actually annual #10, the first app of the FLY!

Oh you love everything. You're about as critical as a grandma at an elementary school play!

[Den Frenzy]

Flash was the first thing that came to my mind but seeing that Steve Rogers stopped by and talked with John Jameson recently in Amazing he makes a lot of sense. As much as I'm enjoying X-Force I'm not sure if I'll pick up Venom.

[The One and Only]

Actually, that wasn't Steve Rogers talking to Jameson and his crew on their way to battle Doc Ock's robot army. It was the Chamelon in disguise to leave some miniture robots at the shuttle for some plan the incredible shriviling scientist has planned. But seeing how Jameson is getting some play with Big Time, it could be a way to put him on the map before becoming the new Venom.

[Monty_Cristo]

Flash was the first thing that came to my mind but seeing that Steve Rogers stopped by and talked with John Jameson recently in Amazing he makes a lot of sense. As much as I'm enjoying X-Force I'm not sure if I'll pick up Venom.

Jameson's a red herring. he'll probably play into this story in another way. maybe he's handing out the orders to Flash-venom. he also has potential adversary written all over him.

[Movieartman]

whats wrong with the clone saga

[Joseph C.]

That one teaser of of Venom with his legs forming beneath him just seems like a big give away that it would be Flash. I very much like the idea. so what if it is vaguely similar to Avatar like someone said. Like that would be a big deal.

[Sighphi]

"Let's see...what could I say? It's somebody you know and not a new character. It's one of those things that feels very natural. While it is a stretch, there is history to reinforce the decision. And if there weren't, I wouldn't jump to do this."

Reminds of the greatest mystery of the last few years: Who is the Red Hulk!?!?!

This reminds me of every time there is a mystery of some one under the costume. It's pretty much the word for word explanation they always give.

BTW, isnt JJjr still Space King or whatever the space werewolf thing he is, is named? Why would they give him MORE super powers?

[fitnessphp]

I'm really liking this concept. Hope the book itself is really good.

I'm guessing it'll be John Jameson.

[Windsweptfungus]

I'm liking the idea of it being flash and john jameson. Flash as Venom and Jr as the handler.

[Aziz Abbasi]

It's got to be Flash. Anybody else would be a let-down.Venom has all his limbs, Eugene lacks two legs


...why not Ben Reily ?No more clones, according to SW


Both Jameson and Flash make sense for this: military background, prominent role in the book of late.Flash lost his legs, Venom has both of his legs
Jameson doesn't have a reason to be attached to the symbiote
Both of them lack the suffiecient hate

[MagSeven]

Venom has all his limbs, Eugene lacks two legs

No more clones, according to SW

Flash lost his legs, Venom has both of his legs
Jameson doesn't have a reason to be attached to the symbiote
Both of them lack the suffiecient hate

Flash is in the Marvel universe. Even if the symbiote couldn't "form" legs for him, there are countless scientists and military sects that could get Flash a pair of bionic ones.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Flash is in the Marvel universe. Even if the symbiote couldn't "form" legs for him, there are countless scientists and military sects that could get Flash a pair of bionic ones.
He still lacks the hate that attracts the symbiote for bonding, especially since he's Spider-Man's No.1 fan, the symbiote still hates Spider-Man

[Godlike13]

Call me old fashion, but i like the original Venom. Oh well, first Gargan now this :frown:. I'll give it a fair shot though, who knows. I might even like it. The new look seems pretty cool at least.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Call me old fashion, but i like the original Venom. Oh well, first Gargan now this :frown:. I'll give it a fair shot though, who knows. I might even like it. The new look seems pretty cool at least.
Before Gargan there was the wimp son of a gang leader, forgot the name of that little punk

[semicyon]

He still lacks the hate that attracts the symbiote for bonding, especially since he's Spider-Man's No.1 fan, the symbiote still hates Spider-Man

Yeah, but the article notes the symbiote isn't thrilled about the situation and there's tension with the host. But, then again, that would argue more of John Jameson for me -- except for when he's superpowered, he's usually much more controlled and disciplined than Flash.

(Besides, I think the symbiote still love/hates Spider-Man... maybe bonding with Flash will be a chance for it to recapture those old feelings :)

[sirvk]

Before Gargan there was the wimp son of a gang leader, forgot the name of that little punk

Angelo Fortunato.

So is this Venom series going to be an ongoing?

[Aziz Abbasi]

Thank you sirvk

[Venom Melendez]

So, Flash Thompson? Military experience. Lost his legs but can walk again with the symbiote....

Just don't kill him and then resurrect him as FrankenThompson....

FrankenCastle was actually fun though.

Anyway, it could be flash , but can the symbiote fix limbs?


Call me old fashion, but i like the original Venom. Oh well, first Gargan now this :frown:. I'll give it a fair shot though, who knows. I might even like it. The new look seems pretty cool at least.

Actually, i think the change in host has done the symbiote really.


He still lacks the hate that attracts the symbiote for bonding, especially since he's Spider-Man's No.1 fan, the symbiote still hates Spider-Man


Hate isn't always a factor though. If anything, the symbiote prefers host it can manipulate.

I remember it thought that Ms. Marvel would be a perfect host because the gaps in her memory made her easy to manipulate.

Either way, it's clear the symbiote is being forced to be in a situation it doesn't like.

[sirvk]

Thank you sirvk

No worries

[John Zaleski]

Least excited about a Spidey story i've been in a while. Venom has just been getting less and less interesting to me.

[sirvk]

I opened that article not expecting very much. I thought it was going to be some boring Avatar rip-off and was probably not going to bother picking the book up.

Now, after having read the article I can't wait until March. This sounds like a great idea and those guys behind the project seem to be really enthusiastic about it.

I'm sold.

[Kelly Tindall]

I've been reading Venom stories since the first (fairly terrible) mini-series in the early nineties, and I've learned one thing about the symbiote; anything goes.

The symbiote is mentally ill, it's a renegade from it's species, it bonds permanently and separating that bond is fatal, the bond isn't fatal at all, the bond is fairly casual, the symbiote needs brains to survive, the symbiote needs chocolate to survive, the symbiote needs adrenaline to survive, the symbiote eats people, the symbiote needs nothing to survive, the symbiote is passive, the symbiote is dominant, the symbiote can't talk, the symbiote talks too much, the symbiote cannot spawn, the symbiote can spawn a total of six times, the symbiote can get pregnant whenever, the symbiote is vulnerable to sound and fire, the symbiote can be killed, the symbiote cannot be killed, symbiotes can only die by suicide. It's exhausting.

All I'm looking for, at this point, is a fun well-told Venom story and this looks, at long last, like the one. Tony Moore is doing the best work of his career right now.

[Kelly Tindall]

Also, I hope that this new series means we get the classic Venom costume design back. I liked Marvel Knights Spider-Man but I intensely disliked the Venom re-design.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Hate isn't always a factor though. If anything, the symbiote prefers host it can manipulate.

I remember it thought that Ms. Marvel would be a perfect host because the gaps in her memory made her easy to manipulate.

Either way, it's clear the symbiote is being forced to be in a situation it doesn't like.


I've been reading Venom stories since the first (fairly terrible) mini-series in the early nineties, and I've learned one thing about the symbiote; anything goes.

The symbiote is mentally ill, it's a renegade from it's species, it bonds permanently and separating that bond is fatal, the bond isn't fatal at all, the bond is fairly casual, the symbiote needs brains to survive, the symbiote needs chocolate to survive, the symbiote needs adrenaline to survive, the symbiote eats people, the symbiote needs nothing to survive, the symbiote is passive, the symbiote is dominant, the symbiote can't talk, the symbiote talks too much, the symbiote cannot spawn, the symbiote can spawn a total of six times, the symbiote can get pregnant whenever, the symbiote is vulnerable to sound and fire, the symbiote can be killed, the symbiote cannot be killed, symbiotes can only die by suicide. It's exhausting.

All I'm looking for, at this point, is a fun well-told Venom story and this looks, at long last, like the one. Tony Moore is doing the best work of his career right now.Aha, then I didn't understand the symbiote concept correctly


Least excited about a Spidey story i've been in a while. Venom has just been getting less and less interesting to me.I think the Venom symbiote moving from one host to another makes it very interesting

[Kungfu Elvis]

Venom has all his limbs, Eugene lacks two legs

No more clones, according to SW

Flash lost his legs, Venom has both of his legs
Jameson doesn't have a reason to be attached to the symbiote
Both of them lack the suffiecient hate

Wasn't there an issue recently where the Chameleon, as Pete made fun of legless Flash that had Flash all sporting a hateon.

[ian33407]

> No more clones, according to SW


arg.

I was almost convinced of it, but I guess John Jameson is now the ideal candidate for the spying-stuff, considering his background...but after all the troubles he got being the Man-Wolf I ignored he could be such a masochist to bond with the Venom symbiote...and seeing the new no-symbioted Venom actually, I can't help thinking Marvel finally find his occasion to glance towards Matt Wagner' Grendel.

I just hope Rick Remember and Terry Moore will last onto the title, I'm sick to see wonderful books failing after the top-stars-authors-of-the-moment left them just after the launching...

[SomeBodyAtCBR]

It's gotta be Flash. One of the teasers has stumps on the symbiote and the costume looks like instead of knees it has artificial ball joints.

[Sighphi]

I've been reading Venom stories since the first (fairly terrible) mini-series in the early nineties, and I've learned one thing about the symbiote; anything goes.

The symbiote is mentally ill, it's a renegade from it's species, it bonds permanently and separating that bond is fatal, the bond isn't fatal at all, the bond is fairly casual, the symbiote needs brains to survive, the symbiote needs chocolate to survive, the symbiote needs adrenaline to survive, the symbiote eats people, the symbiote needs nothing to survive, the symbiote is passive, the symbiote is dominant, the symbiote can't talk, the symbiote talks too much, the symbiote cannot spawn, the symbiote can spawn a total of six times, the symbiote can get pregnant whenever, the symbiote is vulnerable to sound and fire, the symbiote can be killed, the symbiote cannot be killed, symbiotes can only die by suicide. It's exhausting.

All I'm looking for, at this point, is a fun well-told Venom story and this looks, at long last, like the one. Tony Moore is doing the best work of his career right now.

Jesus, way to ignore everything in between.

Venom is a mutant from his species which means, apparently, that he doesnt kill it's hosts like the normal ones do. I wants to live happily with them until.....death to them part or something. Venom feeds of some chemical produced from the brain which at one point he completely sucked out of Brock so he separated from him and went to kill evil people for their brains. Eventually some scientist that had Brock figured out that chocolate produces the same chemicals, or similar ones, to the ones that they feed on so Brock got the symbiote back and keep him fed by eating chocolate.

The rest of the stuff that has been messy is usually done by writes who dont know or care about what they are doing. Recently in Thunderbols Venom was being mind controlled into being more wild and it started biting people's body parts off. After Ellis' run in TB was done for some unknown reason writers continued to have the "Wild Venom" characterization of the character randomly eating everything he could with no explanation at all. in Dark Avengers we saw that Osborn was giving most of the former members of the TB some pills, i guess, to keep them in control and that, i guess, could explain that but outside of that one scene we never saw any of that again or got any explanation.

So it's not really that anything goes, it's more writers not caring or wanting to follow one continuity because it affects the story they want to tell.

[Mikey Brown]

So it's not really that anything goes, it's more writers not caring or wanting to follow one continuity because it affects the story they want to tell.Thats pretty much how comics have worked forever though. It may effect your enjoyment of the new Venom series but you don't like anything anyways.

I'm looking forward to Rick Remender/Tony Moore Venom. The Punisher series was really cool.

[DarkWarriorBlake]

You know I never thought Id be over Brock as Venom but I enjoy Gargan as Venom more than as Scorpion and I just want that back.

[Mister Mets]

Thats pretty much how comics have worked forever though. It may effect your enjoyment of the new Venom series but you don't like anything anyways.

I'm looking forward to Rick Remender/Tony Moore Venom. The Punisher series was really cool.

14 follow-up posts about retcons were moved to an existing discussion on the topic. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=301899&highlight=retcon)

[UltimateVenom]

Wouldn't it be funny if somehow Eddie were forced back into bonding with the Symbiote to do the gub'ment's bidding? :evilsmile:

[Aziz Abbasi]

Wouldn't it be funny if somehow Eddie were forced back into bonding with the Symbiote to do the gub'ment's bidding? :evilsmile:
I wish the symbiote decides to bond with Eddie again, only so it completey dies by the Anti-Venom bodies:biggrin:

[MagSeven]

You know I never thought Id be over Brock as Venom but I enjoy Gargan as Venom more than as Scorpion and I just want that back.

I am with you. Hell, I even kind of dug it when Gargan used the Venom-Scorpion tail in that Beyond mini.

[Oddboom]

actually ive been wondering, since i might not have read enough material with gargan-venom, did he even brought anything interesting to the character?
i mean does his personality manifest at all?
is gargan an interesting person?

because from what ive read it could be anyone inside that symbiote and it wouldnt change a thing

im seriously asking

[NormanB]

actually ive been wondering, since i might not have read enough material with gargan-venom, did he even brought anything interesting to the character?


A tail. :)

[LXDTS]

Whats stopping Venom from killing its host like it did with Angel Fortunado when the symbiote thought he was too much of a pussy?

The symbiote just dropped him mid-air then went and found Gargan for a good time.

The whole symbiote going wild thing I attain to Gargan's unstable psyche, its effect on the symbiote, and his inability to control the suit as well as Brock was.




Easy retcon for everything inconsistent with the symbiote: the govt messed with it on a genetic level to an extent, in order to make it act the way it does now.

[Rahul]

A tail. :)
For one, he actually delivered on his reputation of a body part eater.

[NormanB]

For one, he actually delivered on his reputation of a body part eater.

This is true. I was being a bit cheeky.

And actually, the Dark Spiderman mini from the Dark Reign era was excellent.

[UltimateVenom]

Hell yeah! I loved "Sinister Spider-Man"!! It was actually when I officially bought Gargan as a suitable host for "Symby". :D