Which Member of the Original X-Men was Xavier Most Proud?

[darknessatnoon]

Recently, Emma Frost revealed that the supposed favoritism that Xavier showed Cyclops was actually pity - that in fact, Xavier considered himself, Jean and Tessa a class apart from other mutants. Cyclops was given the X-Men to lead because he had "nothing else."

Yet, Beast was a sort of spiritual son who went into biology to please his father figure. Did Xavier withdraw his love when Beast experimented on himself and turned himself into a freak?

Given that Bobby wasn't interested in girls, he made the least amount of trouble and provided Xavier the least amount of competition for Jean.

Shortpack and Tessa were ready to release into the field without extensive training, which must have been a relief to the over-worked Xavier, who didn't even have a maid at that point.

Like Xavier, Angel had a private school education and was a blue-blood.

With which of these mutants did Xavier most identify. Which made him proud?

[Ex_]

Jean.

No question.

Although he often confused pride with physical attraction.

[Home made ectoplasm]

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[Filthy Mutie]

Of Xavier's original clandestine paramilitary group, Sage was the pinnacle--the savant of infiltration, abduction, explosion, instigation, etc. Of his teen-aged weapons, she started an remained the best.

Marvel Girl might get more of his pride in the way that you may be proud of helping a street-thug turn his or her life around and eventually buy their G.E.D., or house-breaking a very unfortunate 12-year-old. There's a lot of (tough) love and discipline, and they may or may not have been able to do it without you, but you stuck by them and now they are better for it. You feel pride in your work.

Jean Grey eventually got competent; Sage was a natural.

[Home made ectoplasm]

The thread is called "Which Member of the Original X-Men was Xavier Most Proud?" but the poll is "WHICH X-MEN DID XAVIER LIKE THE MOST?" which is a slightly different question, because we know (cannon) that he was in love with Jean.

[darknessatnoon]

The thread is called "Which Member of the Original X-Men was Xavier Most Proud?" but the poll is "WHICH X-MEN DID XAVIER LIKE THE MOST?" which is a slightly different question, because we know (cannon) that he was in love with Jean.

The poll is about pride, not his loins.

[Silent Sigh]

Luckily I saw all the deleted posts :biggrin:

Who is Shortpack? :confused:


Maybe Warren, al leats he is not a genocidal monster like Jean or Beast.

[darknessatnoon]

Luckily I saw all the deleted posts :biggrin:

Who is Shortpack? :confused:


Maybe Warren, al leats he is not a genocidal monster like Jean or Beast.

Shortpack is another one of Xavier's original students. He is a tiny mutant stuck in a two-inch tall form, and he's a telepath. When Mystique became Xavier's undercover agent, Xavier assigned Shortpack to be her partner.

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[Fast]

Luckily I saw all the deleted posts :biggrin:

Who is Shortpack? :confused:


Maybe Warren, al leats he is not a genocidal monster like Jean or Beast.

His stint as a Horseman would say otherwise

[Silent Sigh]

Shortpack is another one of Xavier's original students. He is a tiny mutant stuck in a two-inch tall form, and he's a telepath. When Mystique became Xavier's undercover agent, Xavier assigned Shortpack to be her partner.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091104171207/paradisa/images/c/ce/Shortpackpara.jpg
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091104171226/paradisa/images/4/4f/Packtelepathy.jpg

:eek:

Where is he now?
and most important... Where does he get his clothes? :confused:


So... Jean wasn't Xavier's first telepath student, uh?

[darknessatnoon]

:eek:

Where is he now?
and most important... Where does he get his clothes? :confused:


So... Jean wasn't Xavier's first telepath student, uh?

Jean was Xavier's student from when she was a little girl. She was the last of the 06, but she'd been working with him in the past. He met Tessa at around the same time he found Beast, so I'd say Jean came before Sage. As for Shortpack, it's still unclear. And we don't know where he is now. He's probably safe in Mystique's back pocket. All we do know is that Xavier felt it fit to release Tessa and Shortpack into the field before the rest of the team.

[worstblogever]

Jean. He brought her out to parade her out and show off to the boys in her first appearance, like she was a prized possession.

[Quinnhop]

"Jean was his favorite. He sensed her potential, even then. And he's
always been partial to psychics. He'd never admit it, but he thinks we're
a bit... above."

-- Emma Frost, "Astonishing X-Men: Torn"

I know it's Emma saying it, and not Charles, but this line always rang extremely true to me.

[Rothstien-Smash]

I vote for.................

Whoever the 8th original X-Man is when it is revealed in the next Ret-con!

[limerick]

Well,there is Mimic but I don't think Xavier was very proud of him.....(unless he's proud to get his ass kicked)

[xgeek52]

y'know i find it interesting that all this backstory for jean, sage, shortpack (don't remember him at all) and tessa has cropped up over the years, obscuring the lee/ditko efforts...

i got no problem with the revised jean grey backstory, but this 06 business -- i mean c'mon guys...yeah xaiver discuss seeking out mutant and discussed it with moria just before he ran across amelia voight, but it's always gonna be 05 to me...

and yes jean clearly made him most proud, though he showed almost equal amount of pride in scott...

there had to be pride in order for there to be the current disappointment...

[Rothstien-Smash]

The tendency to ret-con in order to sensationalize (especially the "everything you know is wrong!" type of it) really diminishes things.

I prefer the O5, with Xavier actually believing what he is teaching them. In that vein, he would be most proud of Scott and Jean, the adopted son and the protege.

Really, if you need to ret-con do it to expand things and support what we have read in the past rather than this stupid stuff we get instead.

[darknessatnoon]

The tendency to ret-con in order to sensationalize (especially the "everything you know is wrong!" type of it) really diminishes things.

I prefer the O5, with Xavier actually believing what he is teaching them. In that vein, he would be most proud of Scott and Jean, the adopted son and the protege.

Really, if you need to ret-con do it to expand things and support what we have read in the past rather than this stupid stuff we get instead.

Elektra was a retcon. Do you have a problem with Frank Miller fixing Daredevil's origin?

[NickFury90]

I vote for.................

Whoever the 8th original X-Man is when it is revealed in the next Ret-con!

You mean Mr. Sinister?

[Rothstien-Smash]

Elektra was a retcon. Do you have a problem with Frank Miller fixing Daredevil's origin?


Really, if you need to ret-con do it to expand things and support what we have read in the past rather than this stupid stuff we get instead.

If done well (and sadly too many have stopped being done well) then no, no problem at all.

[xgeek52]

i don't like that term retcon...it does tend to diminish what's comes before...

and yes it's stupid because it solves nothing...

well maybe something if you like confusion in your books...

[Home made ectoplasm]

well maybe something if you like confusion in your books...

I like confusion and retcons.

[Rothstien-Smash]

Retcons can be done well, but less is more where they are concerned.

I'd love to see an allusion to a girl Scott knew before he was with the X-men. She's already dead, because he was looking at her when his powers first manifested. It would explain a great deal about how he acted, as if tragedy had already struck home because of his powers.

"What happened to her?"

"I found out I was a mutant."

[darknessatnoon]

Retcons can be done well, but less is more where they are concerned.

I'd love to see an allusion to a girl Scott knew before he was with the X-men. She's already dead, because he was looking at her when his powers first manifested. It would explain a great deal about how he acted, as if tragedy had already struck home because of his powers.

"What happened to her?"

"I found out I was a mutant."

That's Zeitgeist's origin.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2068/102747-191920-zeitgeist.jpg

Cyclops was with a psychic guy who could turn into diamonds, Jack Winter aka Jack of Diamonds. He "adopted" Cyclops and took him off the streets.

[Rothstien-Smash]

I never concerned myself much with Zeitgeist. All I know is that he was the character built up for the launch of the comic and ended up getting killed in the first issue. Glad to know a good idea got used somewhere though.

[darknessatnoon]

I never concerned myself much with Zeitgeist. All I know is that he was the character built up for the launch of the comic and ended up getting killed in the first issue. Glad to know a good idea got used somewhere though.

http://i51.tinypic.com/9jzmfa.jpg

[xgeek52]

i vaguely (and i do mean vaguely) remember that girl...it was in one of the 'origin of cyclops' or something as a backstory in one of the classics or part of a reprint ...

i can't remember whether she was a part of the orphanage or lived in the town...it was one of those stories that you kinda forget when your young...

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Xavier was all about the power. So in the end, it is still Jean he was the most proud of, because she ripped the power scales.

He should have been most proud of Sage, but her tactics were far more subtle than Jean's, and so she slipped under the radar into a world of abuse, where Xavier was content to leave her.

[DevilishRogue]

I think for a while it was pretty even between Scott and Jean, but probably just Jean now since Cyke stabbed him in the back.

[xgeek52]

why would you say that...morrison created a scenario where jean was center stage, heading the school fulling the dream running the school openly and the mutant population becoming a true minority in every sense of the word...

then marvel came up with house of m, and decimation followed by messiah...scott summers did what xavier trained him to do -- lead...

there was no stabbing in the back...xavier was asked to stand aside so scott could do what he was destined to do...through the years, i have heard him referred to as the heir apparent...can anyone here say that xavier -- the character that you know -- or even jean, the character that morrison put center stage, do what scott summers has done to ensure the survival of the mutant society...

everyone has their take on who out of the original x-men makes xavier most proud...it ain't been scott but i think the character as he is right now considers that low on his priority list...

[darknessatnoon]

why would you say that...morrison created a scenario where jean was center stage, heading the school fulling the dream running the school openly and the mutant population becoming a true minority in every sense of the word...

then marvel came up with house of m, and decimation followed by messiah...scott summers did what xavier trained him to do -- lead...

there was no stabbing in the back...xavier was asked to stand aside so scott could do what he was destined to do...through the years, i have heard him referred to as the heir apparent...can anyone here say that xavier -- the character that you know -- or even jean, the character that morrison put center stage, do what scott summers has done to ensure the survival of the mutant society...

everyone has their take on who out of the original x-men makes xavier most proud...it ain't been scott but i think the character as he is right now considers that low on his priority list...

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[ohsnapulon5000]

I've never been much of a Sage fan but say, if ProfessorX were on his death bed and he were confessing in his last shuddering breaths of life that he were most proud of any of his original students- confessing it to Sage would probably be the most touching and kind of make the most sense. I'd get misty eyed.

[darknessatnoon]

I've never been much of a Sage fan but say, if ProfessorX were on his death bed and he were confessing in his last shuddering breaths of life that he were most proud of any of his original students- confessing it to Sage would probably be the most touching and kind of make the most sense. I'd get misty eyed.

The fact is, Sage took it up the ass for Xavier.

[BBeeryan]

I think Xavier is most proud of Ororo.

[darknessatnoon]

I think Xavier is most proud of Ororo.

off-topic. She's not an original X-Man. She barely even counts as an X-Man these days anyway.

[BBeeryan]

off-topic. She's not an original X-Man. She barely even counts as an X-Man these days anyway.

Very wrong. Xavier's had his eye on her since she was 7. I think its very safe to say that he considered Ororo part of his first generation. Check your facts.

[darknessatnoon]

Very wrong. Xavier's had his eye on her since she was 7. I think its very safe to say that he considered Ororo part of his first generation. Check your facts.

When she was a vile thief?

[Skaddix]

why would you say that...morrison created a scenario where jean was center stage, heading the school fulling the dream running the school openly and the mutant population becoming a true minority in every sense of the word...

then marvel came up with house of m, and decimation followed by messiah...scott summers did what xavier trained him to do -- lead...

there was no stabbing in the back...xavier was asked to stand aside so scott could do what he was destined to do...through the years, i have heard him referred to as the heir apparent...can anyone here say that xavier -- the character that you know -- or even jean, the character that morrison put center stage, do what scott summers has done to ensure the survival of the mutant society...

everyone has their take on who out of the original x-men makes xavier most proud...it ain't been scott but i think the character as he is right now considers that low on his priority list...

Nope, Xavier mostly got screwed out of leadership thanks to the Deadly Genesis Retcon which caused his moral questionability and douchiness to skyrocket to intolerable levels.

[Skaddix]

When she was a vile thief?

Trained thieves are useful, superheroes are always breaking and entering.

[BBeeryan]

When she was a vile thief?

Call her whatever you like, just don't call her late for dinner. But yes, that is exactly when. He watched her for years after he saved her life. I'm not sure whether that was before or after Xavier sent Tessa to sell her pussy. I'll assume it was before.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Xavier's had his eye on her since she was 7.

Xavier had his eyes on a lot of mutants back then, still doesn't make Storm a first generation X-Man.

[BBeeryan]

Xavier had his eyes on a lot of mutants back then, still doesn't make Storm a first generation X-Man.

Ororo's not "a lot of mutants back then", she's Storm. Thank you anyway.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Ororo's not "a lot of mutants back then", she's Storm. Thank you anyway.

Yes, she is Storm now, 'back then' she was just another young mutant with great potential. It wasn't like now when every mutant gets to call him or herself an x-man. Ororo was never one of the original X-Men.

[Yogaflame]

Storm may not have been his student at first, but she was the first mutant Xavier ever met(yep, before Magneto, Sage or Jean).

[xgeek52]

no matter how many 'retcons' you do ororo was not among the original...and that is the question here -- who among the original made xavier most proud...

he had his eye on a lot of mutants even long before the 05...

he had files...

[BBeeryan]

I know what I know.

[xgeek52]

*sighs*

whatever you say...

[MartinRedmond]

OMG what if Storm had taken Sage's place as X-Man 0.

[xgeek52]

*sighs*

i bloody hate retcons!!!

i got two words hidden years...

marvel in their infinate wisdom decided in one of those issues to have the 05 meet ororo...

i wonder where sage was...

[witchboy]

I did really hate Ororo showing up in the Hidden Years, that just should not have happened. Storm meeting the 05 before Giant Size X-Men 1 is unnecessarily awkward to make work.

[xgeek52]

hey, we're talking about marvel here...

[darknessatnoon]

Storm may not have been his student at first, but she was the first mutant Xavier ever met(yep, before Magneto, Sage or Jean).

It's beneath you to troll me like this. It's not beneath BB, but it is beneath you.

[Yogaflame]

It's beneath you to troll me like this. It's not beneath BB, but it is beneath you.

I do not troll. I have a great deal of love for you, despite your disappointing tendency towards biting negative sarcasm. I simply state facts.

[Prodigy55]

So what. He didn't want her until his first and second teams were gone. She didn't even get the first black X-Man spot.

[ohsnapulon5000]

So what. He didn't want her until his first and second teams were gone. She didn't even get the first black X-Man spot.

there was a pre Storm black X-man? was mimic trying something out for a week?

[darknessatnoon]

there was a pre Storm black X-man? was mimic trying something out for a week?

Close. Long before Storm, came Darwin.

[Chase_Stein]

I'd like to think that Cyclops made him proud for being the only original x-man smart enough to accomplish his dreams of uniting humans and mutants. But, considering their rocky relationship, he would probably be most proud of Jean who he named his successor.

Also, Shortpack?

[DevilishRogue]

Ororo's not "a lot of mutants back then", she's Storm. Thank you anyway.

What about Piotr and Kurt, they were being spied on too which was later revealed? Actually it was revealed Kurt was spied on by both Xavier and Magneto. The old pervs...

[xgeek52]

i think spy might be a bit strong a word but it seems to fit...

you have to consider xavier and magnus believed they were the only mutants in the world...you have to considered that both revised that theroy believing that if they existed so did others...

they would hunt for them, keep files on them and yes 'spy' on them...

like i said before the 05 weren't the first but they were the first xavier brought together...

[ProfeZZor X]

Given that Bobby wasn't interested in girls, he made the least amount of trouble and provided Xavier the least amount of competition for Jean.

What are you smokin? ...Between Xavier and Cyclops, Bobby was right long with them vying for Jean's attention in the first issue. It wasn't as straight forward and obvious as his two older competitors, but he did express interest in her in a elementary school boy kind of way.

[darknessatnoon]

What are you smokin? ...Between Xavier and Cyclops, Bobby was right long with them vying for Jean's attention in the first issue. It wasn't as straight forward and obvious as his two older competitors, but he did express interest in her in a elementary school boy kind of way.

Are you referring to the icicle penis he created for her in issue 1, which he then promptly "slid" down?

[Ex_]

Come to think of it, he probably should have showed off Warren more too. He and Jean were the hawtest of his O5.

[DiamondQueen]

Out of the original 5 I would say Jean. If you talk about mutants in general...probably Storm or Kitty.

[DevilishRogue]

Out of the original 5 I would say Jean. If you talk about mutants in general...probably Storm or Kitty.

Well since we are going out of the original 5 then Kurt should be mentioned. Xavier had some pretty inspiring words for Kurt when he briefly stayed with Excalibur, I cannot wait until this issue is covered in the Excalibur thread. Then I will be vindicated.

Xavier deemed most shameful newcomer: Pixie.

[Monty_Cristo]

Luckily I saw all the deleted posts :biggrin:

Who is Shortpack? :confused:


that's a good way to get cut *fish eye*

[Monty_Cristo]

I'd like to think that Cyclops made him proud for being the only original x-man smart enough to accomplish his dreams of uniting humans and mutants. But, considering their rocky relationship, he would probably be most proud of Jean who he named his successor.

Also, Shortpack?

remember Fred Duncan; Xavier's contact within the Federal Bureau of Investigations? well Fred was reluctantly aiding Xavier and his mutant cause because his nephew (aforementioned Shortpack) was a mutant. Xavier saved Shortpack's life by teaching him to halt his shrinking telepathically.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36894/1306123-fred_duncan1_large.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12088/513444-200px_fredduncan.jpg

[DevilishRogue]

Luckily I saw all the deleted posts :biggrin:

Who is Shortpack? :confused:


Maybe Warren, al leats he is not a genocidal monster like Jean or Beast.

Do your research NEWB then come back. Shortpack is awesome on a stick.

[darknessatnoon]

Storm and Colossus and Nightcrawler are not on the list because they are NOT ORIGINAL X-MEN. They were also trained by Cyclops. I'm talking only of the ORIGINAL STUDENTS who were EXCLUSIVELY Xavier trained. The ones he cares about. The ones who have his trademark.

The Original X-Men Are:

Scott
Hank
Tessa
Shortpack
Jean Grey
Iceman
Warren Worthington III

THAT'S IT.

Even though Emma Frost declined membership in the X-Men before Storm was even offered it, she doesn't count as she would have been partially a Moira student.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Shortpack has acquitted himself magnificently.

Summa cum laude.

High marks for fashion knowledge, Shortpack knows those GI Joe boots suck. Someone tell Tinkabelinos to get a clue and learn up.

[ProfeZZor X]

Are you referring to the icicle penis he created for her in issue 1, which he then promptly "slid" down?

This just proves Jean's an attention whore that needs constant attention... At least Beast told her like it is.

http://yourfriendandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dsc04077.jpg?w=510&h=482

...Who needs her anyway.

[darknessatnoon]

...Who needs her anyway.

I'm not rushing to disagree.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Could Jean be any more flat chested?

[DevilishRogue]

Storm and Colossus and Nightcrawler are not on the list because they are NOT ORIGINAL X-MEN. They were also trained by Cyclops. I'm talking only of the ORIGINAL STUDENTS who were EXCLUSIVELY Xavier trained. The ones he cares about. The ones who have his trademark.

The Original X-Men Are:

Scott
Hank
Tessa
Shortpack
Jean Grey
Iceman
Warren Worthington III

THAT'S IT.

Even though Emma Frost declined membership in the X-Men before Storm was even offered it, she doesn't count as she would have been partially a Moira student.

I am sorry, Darkness. It won't happen again. :redface:

[Monty_Cristo]

This just proves Jean's an attention whore that needs constant attention... At least Beast told her like it is.

http://yourfriendandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dsc04077.jpg?w=510&h=482

...Who needs her anyway.

wow. check out McCoy's come-hither pose.

[witchboy]

Wow check out Hank's provocative pose, taunting Jean with his big sexy feet.

[Pixie_Solanas]

wow. check out McCoy's come-hither pose.

Those feet are all-knowing.

[BBeeryan]

Like someone mentioned earlier, Ororo met the team during the hidden years. She practically part of the O7. (I added Sage for Dn@n)

[BBeeryan]

What about Piotr and Kurt, they were being spied on too which was later revealed? Actually it was revealed Kurt was spied on by both Xavier and Magneto. The old pervs...

My earlier post was directed at you.

[Filthy Mutie]

Like someone mentioned earlier, Ororo met the team during the hidden years. She practically part of the O7. (I added Sage for Dn@n)

I met Barry Sanders in 1993, but it didn't make me a member of the Detroit Lions. I met Kip Winger in 2005, but that didn't mean I joined his band, Winger. I complained to a supervisor at Verizon Wireless the other day, but that didn't make me an employee. I knew a kid who went to my high school in 1992, but I didn't become a student of that high school until 1997 when I actually attended it.

Ororo did not join the X-Men until she was recruited with the express purpose of saving the captured Jean Grey.

[BBeeryan]

I met Barry Sanders in 1993, but it didn't make me a member of the Detroit Lions. I met Kip Winger in 2005, but that didn't mean I joined his band, Winger. I complained to a supervisor at Verizon Wireless the other day, but that didn't make me an employee. I knew a kid who went to my high school in 1992, but I didn't become a student of that high school until 1997 when I actually attended it.

Ororo did not join the X-Men until she was recruited with the express purpose of saving the captured Jean Grey.

Thanks for the story. That's all.

[Filthy Mutie]

Thanks for the story. That's all.

You're welcome. I'm glad you came to your senses so easily. Most people freak out under the strain.

Back to the topic of the original X-Men: LOL at that pic of Beast looking to get knocked-up, Monte Cristo. Babies making babies...

[BBeeryan]

Storm was totally a first generation X-man.

[Monty_Cristo]

Storm was totally a first generation X-man.

well i happen to consider the New Mutants to be the actual second generation. but i don't consider to be one of Xavier's original students. he was basically forming 2 separate teams at the same time; as evidenced by that flashback scene of him showing pictures of potential recruits to Moira MacTaggert. he started out by finding some nice harmless white kids. these were to be the X-Men's public face; the Mickey Mouse Club. but he was also recruiting a second more action-oriented squad; people he could leverage because they were foreigners or minorities.

The First Generation of X-Men:
fallen soldiers: Vulcan, Sway, Petra, and Darwin

favored students who were being trained to maintain the school/blend into society/Xavier's dream team: Scott, Jean, Bobby, Hank, and Warren
sidenote: with Jean and Scott, Xavier was specifically trying to achieve immortality by molding them into himself (Jean has his mind powers & Xavier basically recreated Scott in his own image)

soldiers organized to protect the school and serve as a counter-force to the growing threat of evil mutants: Ororo, Sean, Logan, Piotr, Kurt, John, Shiro


the spies: Sage, Shortpack, (potentially) the Changeling, and (potentially) Charles' telepathic lawyer


The Second Generation of X-Men:
students recruited because Charles could feel his control on the originals slipping: The New Mutants

off-the-books mutants he was observing but not ready to recruit: Jamie Madrox, Siryn, Legion, Havok, Polaris, etc..


The Third Generation of X-Men:
Generation X

[darknessatnoon]

well i happen to consider the New Mutants to be the actual second generation. but i don't consider to be one of Xavier's original students. he was basically forming 2 separate teams at the same time; as evidenced by that flashback scene of him showing pictures of potential recruits to Moira MacTaggert. he started out by finding some nice harmless white kids. these were to be the X-Men's public face; the Mickey Mouse Club. but he was also recruiting a second more action-oriented squad; people he could leverage because they were foreigners or minorities.

The First Generation of X-Men:
fallen soldiers: Vulcan, Sway, Petra, and Darwin

favored students who were being trained to maintain the school/blend into society/Xavier's dream team: Scott, Jean, Bobby, Hank, and Warren


soldiers organized to protect the school and serve as a counter-force to the growing threat of evil mutants: Ororo, Sean, Logan, Piotr, Kurt, John, Shiro


the spies: Sage, Shortpack, (potentially) the Changeling, and (potentially) Charles' telepathic lawyer


The Second Generation of X-Men:
students recruited because Charles could feel his control on the originals slipping: The New Mutants

off-the-books mutants he was observing but not ready to recruit: Jamie Madrox, Siryn, Legion, Havok, Polaris, etc..


The Third Generation of X-Men:
Generation X

This should be stickied.

[Filthy Mutie]

well i happen to consider the New Mutants to be the actual second generation. but i don't consider to be one of Xavier's original students. he was basically forming 2 separate teams at the same time; as evidenced by that flashback scene of him showing pictures of potential recruits to Moira MacTaggert. he started out by finding some nice harmless white kids. these were to be the X-Men's public face; the Mickey Mouse Club. but he was also recruiting a second more action-oriented squad; people he could leverage because they were foreigners or minorities.

The First Generation of X-Men:
fallen soldiers: Vulcan, Sway, Petra, and Darwin

favored students who were being trained to maintain the school/blend into society/Xavier's dream team: Scott, Jean, Bobby, Hank, and Warren


soldiers organized to protect the school and serve as a counter-force to the growing threat of evil mutants: Ororo, Sean, Logan, Piotr, Kurt, John, Shiro


the spies: Sage, Shortpack, (potentially) the Changeling, and (potentially) Charles' telepathic lawyer


The Second Generation of X-Men:
students recruited because Charles could feel his control on the originals slipping: The New Mutants

off-the-books mutants he was observing but not ready to recruit: Jamie Madrox, Siryn, Legion, Havok, Polaris, etc..


The Third Generation of X-Men:
Generation X

The truth.

What deserves more explanation, though, is the Xavier Underground. Sadly, most of that story was lost to the late '90s.

[xgeek52]

this has gotten away from the original question...

he was proud of all of them -- every generation...

[Monty_Cristo]

The truth.

What deserves more explanation, though, is the Xavier Underground. Sadly, most of that story was lost to the late '90s.

yeah. i think they want to bury the Underground because it's a reminder of Xavier's possibly shady behind-the-scenes actions. i just get this feeling that there were a bunch of mutants out there who were instructed not to set foot near the mansion. my speculation is that many of them were telepaths; people Xavier would want to personally tutor. but it would put the others living at the mansion at a disadvantage if there were too many telepaths around. there's too much potential for corruption, there. it's better to just have them operating out in the world; spying on people for Charles' benefit. that there is a mostly hidden telepath hotline is canon. Xavier's the only one i can imagine organizing that kind of network; besides Gamemaster. they could fill a limited series with stories like this.

[Monty_Cristo]

this has gotten away from the original question...

he was proud of all of them -- every generation...

or maybe it was the reverse. maybe he's disappointed in all of them because they've abandoned his dream. i think Chuck took his eyes off the prize when he joined up with those idiots in the Illuminati.

[ProfeZZor X]

Wow check out Hank's provocative pose, taunting Jean with his big sexy feet.

Would it still be considered fisting if he used this feet?

[witchboy]

That's an awesome question.
I'm sure there's a word for the act of sexual penetration with feet but I have no idea what that word is.
What a thought. Hank would mess somebody up if he was "feeting" them.

[darknessatnoon]

yeah. i think they want to bury the Underground because it's a reminder of Xavier's possibly shady behind-the-scenes actions. i just get this feeling that there were a bunch of mutants out there who were instructed not to set foot near the mansion. my speculation is that many of them were telepaths; people Xavier would want to personally tutor. but it would put the others living at the mansion at a disadvantage if there were too many telepaths around. there's too much potential for corruption, there. it's better to just have them operating out in the world; spying on people for Charles' benefit. that there is a mostly hidden telepath hotline is canon. Xavier's the only one i can imagine organizing that kind of network; besides Gamemaster. they could fill a limited series with stories like this.

Remember that telepath who Jean Grey encountered when they went up against Graydon. Wasn't he openly a member of the Xavier Underground? Tessa, by definition, was also one. It seems like he sent out the already operational telepaths like that guy, Sage and Shortpack, and kept Jean Grey around to train for control.

[xgeek52]

i can't disagree with that, cristo, and thinking about it during the course of this thread and remembering -- jean got the lion share of the praise while scott was indeed stuck with the 'thankles task' of leading the x-men, the
05s, the blue/gold teams, x-factor, the combined teams during the twelve, etc, etc, etc...

i don't recall xavier giving outright praise to scott summer or any of the other 05 -- except jean...

i do recall xavier chastise scott and 'attempt' to take control of the situation during messiah and how scott handled rogue where it involved hope...

(in all honesty i just saw the panel involving xavier, scott and emma but it spoke volumns)...

now i probably don't remember an instance where scott got out praise from xavier...if there is tell me...

[Monty_Cristo]

i can't disagree with that, cristo, and thinking about it during the course of this thread and remembering -- jean got the lion share of the praise while scott was indeed stuck with the 'thankles task' of leading the x-men, the
05s, the blue/gold teams, x-factor, the combined teams during the twelve, etc, etc, etc...

i don't recall xavier giving outright praise to scott summer or any of the other 05 -- except jean...

i do recall xavier chastise scott and 'attempt' to take control of the situation during messiah and how scott handled rogue where it involved hope...

(in all honesty i just saw the panel involving xavier, scott and emma but it spoke volumns)...

now i probably don't remember an instance where scott got out praise from xavier...if there is tell me...

he reluctantly praised him during the big wedding issue, iirc. i think it was particularly hard for him to praise Scott because he basically made the kid from scratch. and the kicker was that he was secretly lusting after Jean; someone who was madly in love with the individual he crafted.

[darknessatnoon]

Xavier has never liked Cyclops. First chance he got, he put Storm in charge.

[xgeek52]

i remember that and i remember cringing...

[Monty_Cristo]

Remember that telepath who Jean Grey encountered when they went up against Graydon.


yeah. i think he name was Noah (Noah Dubois). i was obsessed with figuring out the character's identity back in the day. but then he showed up as part of that organization that was trying to recruit Deadpool. i didn't quite understand the new history they gave him. but there was something so cool about him giving Jean a knowing glance when she tried to read his mind. there have been a number of instances i've suspected more of a one-off character, though. there was 'Clay' who was on Graydon's staff. his smile was very offputting. and there was that mutant telepath who helped save Xavier and Nina from Operation Zero Tolerance.


Wasn't he openly a member of the Xavier Underground? Tessa, by definition, was also one. It seems like he sent out the already operational telepaths like that guy, Sage and Shortpack, and kept Jean Grey around to train for control.

i see Tessa as the first. she was to the Underground what Scott Summers was to the original 5. you can tell by how cold he was to her. Shortpack was coddled by contrast. and i suspect that he was thinking with the wrong head when it came to Jean. he was too possessive to let her go/send her out as a spy. so he used his telepathy to curb her powers. if they ever do show more scenes from the past, i'd love to see a scene of a young Tessa questioning Charles' wisdom around a dinner table (maybe at a red lobster or something) while the other clearly unseasoned spies-in-training look on in disbelief.

[Monty_Cristo]

Xavier has never liked Cyclops. First chance he got, he put Storm in charge.

well Scott, especially at that age, was very hard to like. the others befriended him in spite of the stick up his rear. Ororo was young but extremely confident because of her life as a goddess. the others probably got in line sheerly because of their hormones. i think Dani was the next in line to become one of Xavier's favored/destined to lead students.

[witchboy]

lol at the image of Xavier and Tessa at Red Lobster.
I'd love to see more backstory on Tessa at the Hellfire Club and her clandestine loyalty to Xaver.
Flashbacks would be fine, but a whole Tessa mini, or a Hellfire Club mini set during Emma and Tessa's early years there would be awesome.
I am squicked out by the canon of Xavier's lust for Jean.
I think Xavier, like many men, find it easier to show affection and approval to women than they do men, hence his more open affection for Jean. Just as many men are much more affectionate to their daughters than their sons.
I think Xavier was most fond of Jean, and I do think he was proud of Scott.
Tessa he used, he threw her to the wolves to suit his own purposes regardless of what it cost her. No way would he have left Jean in the Hellfire Club for years.

[Monty_Cristo]

lol at the image of Xavier and Tessa at Red Lobster.
I'd love to see more backstory on Tessa at the Hellfire Club and her clandestine loyalty to Xaver.
Flashbacks would be fine, but a whole Tessa mini, or a Hellfire Club mini set during Emma and Tessa's early years there would be awesome.
I am squicked out by the canon of Xavier's lust for Jean.
I think Xavier, like many men, find it easier to show affection and approval to women than they do men, hence his more open affection for Jean. Just as many men are much more affectionate to their daughters than their sons.
I think Xavier was most fond of Jean, and I do think he was proud of Scott.
Tessa he used, he threw her to the wolves to suit his own purposes regardless of what it cost her. No way would he have left Jean in the Hellfire Club for years.


well it is somewhat understandable when you look at it from the angle that Xavier was very much alone. here's this modestly attractive girl who has absolute trust in you. she's got red hair just like the woman who ran out on him. and their lessons involving interaction on an almost spiritual level; two people touching their minds together. we already know that he never acted on those impulses. and he was ashamed about even having the feelings. but i'm not going to demonize him too much. it's not like he was the only guy who was interested at her. Bobby spent most of his puberty fogging up the bathrooom mirrors.

[witchboy]

Xavier didn't act on the feelings, so that is something. But Jean was a young teen when he first started teaching her. I'm sure once she was in the X-Men Jean was seeming him as a father figure, so I do think it's pretty icky.
I wouldn't even compare that to Bobby or any of the 04 having crushes on her. They were all close in age and it would be socially acceptable for them to have dated her.
And to be clear I'm a Xavier fan, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm hating on him.

[darknessatnoon]

But was Charles really in love with Jean? Remember, she looks a lot like Amelia must have looked before she hit middle age. Charles should have hooked up with a woman his own size - Moondragon.

[Monty_Cristo]

But was Charles really in love with Jean? Remember, she looks a lot like Amelia must have looked before she hit middle age. Charles should have hooked up with a woman his own size - Moondragon.

she would have eaten him alive/given him an inferiority complex. then she would have turned into a dragon and literally have eaten him alive.

[DevilishRogue]

well i happen to consider the New Mutants to be the actual second generation. but i don't consider to be one of Xavier's original students. he was basically forming 2 separate teams at the same time; as evidenced by that flashback scene of him showing pictures of potential recruits to Moira MacTaggert. he started out by finding some nice harmless white kids. these were to be the X-Men's public face; the Mickey Mouse Club. but he was also recruiting a second more action-oriented squad; people he could leverage because they were foreigners or minorities.

The First Generation of X-Men:
fallen soldiers: Vulcan, Sway, Petra, and Darwin

favored students who were being trained to maintain the school/blend into society/Xavier's dream team: Scott, Jean, Bobby, Hank, and Warren
sidenote: with Jean and Scott, Xavier was specifically trying to achieve immortality by molding them into himself (Jean has his mind powers & Xavier basically recreated Scott in his own image)

soldiers organized to protect the school and serve as a counter-force to the growing threat of evil mutants: Ororo, Sean, Logan, Piotr, Kurt, John, Shiro


the spies: Sage, Shortpack, (potentially) the Changeling, and (potentially) Charles' telepathic lawyer


The Second Generation of X-Men:
students recruited because Charles could feel his control on the originals slipping: The New Mutants

off-the-books mutants he was observing but not ready to recruit: Jamie Madrox, Siryn, Legion, Havok, Polaris, etc..


The Third Generation of X-Men:
Generation X



What about Havok and Polaris?

[Chase_Stein]

What about Havok and Polaris?

2nd Generation

[witchboy]

I don't understand how Havok and Polaris are 2nd gen, but Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, etc are first generation. Havok and Polaris were X-Men for awhile before the All New All Different X-Men came around.

[Monty_Cristo]

What about Havok and Polaris?

they (and most of what became X-Factor) are included in the second generation. at that point, i don't know that Xavier's heart was in it.

[darknessatnoon]

she would have eaten him alive/given him an inferiority complex. then she would have turned into a dragon and literally have eaten him alive.

For the woman who raped Thor, no man is a challenge. It's a shame that all she does now is cry.

[Filthy Mutie]

yeah. i think they want to bury the Underground because it's a reminder of Xavier's possibly shady behind-the-scenes actions. i just get this feeling that there were a bunch of mutants out there who were instructed not to set foot near the mansion. my speculation is that many of them were telepaths; people Xavier would want to personally tutor. but it would put the others living at the mansion at a disadvantage if there were too many telepaths around. there's too much potential for corruption, there. it's better to just have them operating out in the world; spying on people for Charles' benefit. that there is a mostly hidden telepath hotline is canon. Xavier's the only one i can imagine organizing that kind of network; besides Gamemaster. they could fill a limited series with stories like this.

When I went through my strong desire to write an x-book and/or fanfiction (don't worry, I didn't), it was all about the Xavier Underground. Mind you, this is before just about every writer to touch an x-book tried to tell a story about Xavier making questionable or outright bad decisions and hiding them from everyone. Even then, it wasn't about making morally gray or black decisions--it was just mostly about espionage, intrigue, filling in the gaps with seamless retcons where necessary, and telling stories about people like Abyss, Voght, Blaquesmith, Mystique, Sage, Dr. Majcomb, and Shortpack.

[Silent Sigh]

that's a good way to get cut *fish eye*


Sorry :frown:

Now, I'm looking forward to read any comic appareance of him :cool:

[Quinnhop]

Xavier has never liked Cyclops. First chance he got, he put Storm in charge.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9545/axm14above.jpg

[Prodigy55]

LOL CRUSHED, good job emma

[Chase_Stein]

LOL CRUSHED, good job emma

Wasn't that Cassandra Nova talking?

[Prodigy55]

i hate that story. emma cried later right?

[Chase_Stein]

i hate that story. emma cried later right?

Yep, Kitty Pryde even had to pull her out of a landfill while she was crying.

[darknessatnoon]

Wasn't that Cassandra Nova talking?

That was Emma talking. She was just working with a phantasm of Cassandra, but nothing she said was untrue.

[Chase_Stein]

That was Emma talking. She was just working with a phantasm of Cassandra, but nothing she said was untrue.

I actually believe you. While her psychoanalysis was mainly done as a way to unleash Scott Summers' repressed emotions, it was also her failsafe in case the Cassandra Nova takeover goes awry for her.

[yanapryde]

That was Emma talking. She was just working with a phantasm of Cassandra, but nothing she said was untrue.

I love the utter exclusion of any mention of young Bobby. ha.
Yes, I realize he was the youngest and therefor any consideration for him as a leader would be absurd, but still.....Emma doesn't even mention that.

".... and Bobby was the baby..."
or
"....Iceman lacked maturity..."

Nothing. heh.

[darknessatnoon]

I love the utter exclusion of any mention of young Bobby. ha.
Yes, I realize he was the youngest and therefor any consideration for him as a leader would be absurd, but still.....Emma doesn't even mention that.

".... and Bobby was the baby..."
or
"....Iceman lacked maturity..."

Nothing. heh.

I don't think Emma's ever spoken to him directly since she officially joined the X-Men. She's been in his mind and body, though, and it goes without saying that he'd never been a candidate.

[xgeek52]

considering i haven't read any of the current direction, what was scott's response or did emma answer for him...

i'd like to see the panel because the above panel and his response goes to the question here...

[IN-A-SYNCH]

Jean hands down he loved her, she questioned when cry baby scott didnt, and she saw a different Xavier than most would.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

I don't think Emma's ever spoken to him directly since she officially joined the X-Men. She's been in his mind and body, though, and it goes without saying that he'd never been a candidate.


I think she has spoke to him maybe during the House of M when he couldnt revert back to ice form, or maybe during tha prequel of MC when they had to get the books or that storyline Goltha or whatever that mess was called around the time in Adjectiveless X-men.

[darknessatnoon]

I think she has spoke to him maybe during the House of M when he couldnt revert back to ice form, or maybe during tha prequel of MC when they had to get the books or that storyline Goltha or whatever that mess was called around the time in Adjectiveless X-men.

No. I believe she routed all comments through Havok.

[IN-A-SYNCH]

No. I believe she routed all comments through Havok.


Im going to go back and hit u later on this one cause i know she spoke to him but she kinda dismissed him or told him the where abouts of the books either during the Prequel to Messiah Complex, didnt she go along on the ride in space with Havoks team.
Either way Bobby would have never been Xaviers favorite.

[Monty_Cristo]

When I went through my strong desire to write an x-book and/or fanfiction (don't worry, I didn't), it was all about the Xavier Underground. Mind you, this is before just about every writer to touch an x-book tried to tell a story about Xavier making questionable or outright bad decisions and hiding them from everyone. Even then, it wasn't about making morally gray or black decisions--it was just mostly about espionage, intrigue, filling in the gaps with seamless retcons where necessary, and telling stories about people like Abyss, Voght, Blaquesmith, Mystique, Sage, Dr. Majcomb, and Shortpack.

cool. i remember liking Doctor Majcomb.