Fantastic Three...

[rpsls42]

Which issue does "Three" start in?

[theXfactor]

It already started in #583

[DrDoom616]

Issue 583 is the first episode of 'Three'

Issue 584 is the second episode of 'Three'

Both of which has a huge Banner across the top of the cover saying 'Three'

It's a 4-Part story that is counting down to the supposed 'Death' of one of the Fantastic Four.

Issue 585 will be episode 3

and then,

Issue 586 will be the finale, episode 4 that will reveal who 'dies', this issue is said to be released in a Black sealed Bag so as to conceal the identity of who gets killed off.

I am far more interested in whether they will actually change the book name to Fantastic Three as of Issue 587 or not.

:evilsmile:

[rpsls42]

I cant wait to find out either. And according to tfaw.com, the cover for 587 is a circle with a three in it...

[DrDoom616]

That will be cool, FF has always been my favourite book since i started collecting comics
Will they now have to be referred to at FT? lol

[PaxHouse]

Issue 586 will be the finale, episode 4 that will reveal who 'dies', this issue is said to be released in a Black sealed Bag so as to conceal the identity of who gets killed off.

I am far more interested in whether they will actually change the book name to Fantastic Three as of Issue 587 or not.

:evilsmile:

I believe that it was mentioned (whether it was here within this or another comicbooknews 'site I can't recall) that Issue #586 will be their last and the series will start (again), as "THREE".

[DrDoom616]

I believe that it was mentioned (whether it was here within this or another comicbooknews 'site I can't recall) that Issue #586 will be their last and the series will start (again), as "THREE".

Issue 587 does indeed have a cover that has a logo '3' on it

see here:

http://www.comixology.com/sku/NOV100584/Fantastic-Four-587

Oh, and it is Issue 587 not Issue 1

[rpsls42]

I believe that it was mentioned (whether it was here within this or another comicbooknews 'site I can't recall) that Issue #586 will be their last and the series will start (again), as "THREE".

It won't end there. You can preorder 587 and 588 on tfaw.com.

[red eyes]

I believe that it was mentioned (whether it was here within this or another comicbooknews 'site I can't recall) that Issue #586 will be their last and the series will start (again), as "THREE".

Brevoort recently said that their is not going to be a "Fantastic Three" once F4 ends. But he could just be messing with the name and calling it "Three" like you say, but i'm guessing their taking a long break with the book.

[OrganicUrban]

It will be the usual stuff. Someone will lose his or her powers, so that he or she isn't fantastic anymore.

Or Ben will get those energy powers he has in the ultimate universe.

[rpsls42]

What was the arc just previous to "Three"? And what issue did it start with?

[Runguy]

Brevoort recently said that their is not going to be a "Fantastic Three" once F4 ends. But he could just be messing with the name and calling it "Three" like you say, but i'm guessing their taking a long break with the book.

When would this break take place as Marvel has soliciated thru issue 588 and 2011 is the FF's 50th anniversary :cool:

[red eyes]

When would this break take place as Marvel has soliciated thru issue 588 and 2011 is the FF's 50th anniversary :cool:

I didn't say F4 wasn't continuing into 2011 :confused:

But the F4 series is ending in the next few months

[Runguy]

I didn't say F4 wasn't continuing into 2011 :confused:

But the F4 series is ending in the next few months

Can you elaborate ?

[Iron Maiden]

What was the arc just previous to "Three"? And what issue did it start with?


I wouldn't really call in an arc in the sense of having 6 issues covering the same story with a beginning and and end. There are ongoing subplots that have been seeded earlier in the run. Issue #579 put the spotlight on the Future Foundation, the FF's little group of foundlings like Dragon Man (who was given a higher level of intelligence by Valeria), Artie and Leech, the orphaned Moloid children and the Wizard's younger clone of himself called "32". Johnny took the kids shopping at a toy store that was run by Arcade and the Impossible Man in issue #580 while FF #581-82 involved a trip to Reed, Ben and Victor's college days and Nathaniel's battle with the Beast, a ruthless multiverse version of Nathaniel. It was a bit of a tie in to Hickman's SHIELD where Nathaniel's encounter with the Night Machine caused all of his multiverse versions of himself to be pulled into the same reality.

[red eyes]

Can you elaborate ?

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/111/1116237p1.html

"We don't have a precise issue or reasoning, but when asked if the Fantastic Four title would even exist this time next year given the "Three" arc and the "return" of Doom to the series, Brevoort simply said, "No... no there will not. I'll put that out there! No there will not." Brevoort refused to elaborate further."

That interview was about 4 months ago.

[DrDoom616]

I agree, with the writer of that piece, that, Marvel would not finish this series before it reached 600, I would think that if they were to end the series, it would be at issue 600, with a big ending that would lead into a new book.

My hope, which I have posted elsewhere, is for a New version of Fantastic Force featuring all the main characters and a host of others that have been on the team at one time or another. :evilsmile:

[Runguy]

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/111/1116237p1.html

"We don't have a precise issue or reasoning, but when asked if the Fantastic Four title would even exist this time next year given the "Three" arc and the "return" of Doom to the series, Brevoort simply said, "No... no there will not. I'll put that out there! No there will not." Brevoort refused to elaborate further."

That interview was about 4 months ago.

Wow, ok thanks for the info :wink:

[red eyes]

Wow, ok thanks for the info :wink:

Suprised you didn't already know. :eek:



I agree, with the writer of that piece, that, Marvel would not finish this series before it reached 600, I would think that if they were to end the series, it would be at issue 600, with a big ending that would lead into a new book.

My hope, which I have posted elsewhere, is for a New version of Fantastic Force featuring all the main characters and a host of others that have been on the team at one time or another. :evilsmile:

I'd hate that, i enjoy books better when their not having to incorparate the whole MU into their one little book.

[Runguy]

Suprised you didn't already know. :eek:






I'd hate that, i enjoy books better when their not having to incorparate the whole MU into their one little book.

I'm surprised that your surprised :biggrin:

[Red Lotus]

Here is some thing from his Formspring


will fantastic three start from issue one?

There won't be a FANTASTIC THREE.


Is Fantastic Four ending or will the series still continue with the title Fantastic Three?

It's ending.

[red eyes]

Yep they're defo dunzo, for now. Just as i begin to read F4 the bigwigs cancel it.

[marvelprince]

They've got to have SOMETHING. I just can't see them ending FF just like that. Hickman's got something planned here.

[Runguy]

Let's think about this . ok ? Its the FF's 50th anniversary no way the series is ending. Now the question is in what form will it take that remains to be seen.

[red eyes]

Let's think about this . ok ? Its the FF's 50th anniversary no way the series is ending. Now the question is in what form will it take that remains to be seen.

The series is ending, already been confirmed.

My guess is that there going to end it on 600 and then not touch the series for a while. I think Thing joining the New Avengers is a way to keep him busy after the the "Fantastic Four " book has ended. It's not like the F4 book is lighting up the sales charts.

They'l proberbly relaunch in a year or so with a brand new no 1 so that they could get more new readers.

Either that or a new Fantastic Force kinda book like someone mentioned before.

[Kirk G]

Please God, not another "Fantastic Force" book.

And I don't really believe that Marvel would ever end their flagship title...the one that launched it all... even after 50 years.

There's a stunt or a hitch, a clause or a pause... and then more....

[red eyes]

Maybe there will be a sort of Shadowland book where one of the members (the one that dies) turns evil or possesed. And there will be loads of minis connected into it to drum up interest into the team.

Or Doom returns (which he's supposed to) and becomes all powerful and gets the Infinity Gauntlet

[tornshattered]

I bet they're only doing this arc so they can say "the power of three will set us free!!!"

[DrDoom616]

They'll probably relaunch in a year or so with a brand new no 1 so that they could get more new readers.

Or a jumping off point for all the current fans that are pissed with this being cancelled.:biggrin:

They already had Vol 2 then Vol 3 No 1's and then renumbered it back again to coincide with issue 500 coming out, and now they are gonna mess with the book again!!!
If they cancel the book, well, thats another Marvel book I won't be getting.
In the space of like 3 years I have dropped from approx 26 books a month to 4, if this gets cancelled, it'll be 3, well done Marvel, you are saving me loads of money, and if everyone does this, you'll also be cutting your own throats.
Meh!

[Runguy]

Here is some thing from his Formspring

New info from www.newsarama.com/comics/fantastic-four-587-no-overprint-101203.html

Quote "Marvel also announced that Planetary and Astonishing X-Men's John Cassaday is illustrating a variant cover of Fantastic Four #587 shipping a week after the initial release, due to the image spoiling the contents of the issue. Additionally, #587 has been dubbed the "penultimate issue" of the series, with the title presumably changing to Fantastic Three with #589."

[coconutphone]

New info from www.newsarama.com/comics/fantastic-four-587-no-overprint-101203.html

Quote "Marvel also announced that Planetary and Astonishing X-Men's John Cassaday is illustrating a variant cover of Fantastic Four #587 shipping a week after the initial release, due to the image spoiling the contents of the issue. Additionally, #587 has been dubbed the "penultimate issue" of the series, with the title presumably changing to Fantastic Three with #589."


I hadn't even considered them keeping the number instead of re-launching with a new #1.

I would be thrilled if they don't re-number.

And I think I'll get that variant.

[red eyes]

with the title presumably changing to Fantastic Three with #589."

Newsarama should read Brevoorts Formspring.

[tornshattered]

I'm sorry, but could anyone tell this moron(me) what exactly overprint is?

[Runguy]

I'm sorry, but could anyone tell this moron(me) what exactly overprint is?
and this moron as well ? Thanks !

[edhopper]

They print more comics then the pre-orders so that there are extras when shops need to re-order. This announcement is just a ploy to get shops to order more so they don't "miss out" on sales. Of course if it sells out they will have a second printing. Marvel hype as usual.

[edhopper]

Or a jumping off point for all the current fans that are pissed with this being cancelled.:biggrin:

They already had Vol 2 then Vol 3 No 1's and then renumbered it back again to coincide with issue 500 coming out, and now they are gonna mess with the book again!!!
If they cancel the book, well, thats another Marvel book I won't be getting.
In the space of like 3 years I have dropped from approx 26 books a month to 4, if this gets cancelled, it'll be 3, well done Marvel, you are saving me loads of money, and if everyone does this, you'll also be cutting your own throats.
Meh!

I am right with you. I am also down to a handful of books. Each big, stupid event leaves me with no interest to continue. Spider-man OMD, gone. Avengers, Secret Invasion, gone. Hulk, Red Hulk, gone. DD, Shadowland, probably gone. Now they plan to kill an FF member, which to me is nothing but an unnecessary publicity grab. They might lose me here to.
And this is coming from a reader that goes back to the Silver Age.

[deathcry]

My question would be, do you enjoy the current story line? Do you feel the story without the character who gets 'killed', will be much worse for missing that character?

[edhopper]

My question would be, do you enjoy the current story line? Do you feel the story without the character who gets 'killed', will be much worse for missing that character?

I don't know who is being killed off, but I think the current story works well with all the characters. I think killing one of them off is just a gambit to make it "important" and is the work of a lazy writer who is using shock value over good storytelling.
I think Hickman is better than that and doesn't need this gimmick.
The Fantastic Four have worked so well for so long due to the interplay of ALL the members. I don't see this death as a positive development.
I also know it won't last and will eventually be rectified.
So in the end it is pointless.
I don't need much to drop a Marvel book these days. But I guess they don't give a rat's ass about longtime readers, since so many new readers are coming in...... oh wait...

[tornshattered]

I am right with you. I am also down to a handful of books. Each big, stupid event leaves me with no interest to continue. Spider-man OMD, gone. Avengers, Secret Invasion, gone. Hulk, Red Hulk, gone. DD, Shadowland, probably gone. Now they plan to kill an FF member, which to me is nothing but an unnecessary publicity grab. They might lose me here to.
And this is coming from a reader that goes back to the Silver Age.

X-Men, House of M - GONE!

[edhopper]

X-Men, House of M - GONE!

Long ago, my friend. X-Men became an incongruous mess.

[Iron Maiden]

Long ago, my friend. X-Men became an incongruous mess.

Same here. When I started buying stuff again after the Onslaught and Heroes Return, I never even tried to pick up Uncanny anymore.

[Sue Storm lover]

As a longtime reader myself, I sympathize with the concerns of some of my fellow longtime FF fans. All we can do at this point is to trust Joe Q and his staff and hope that the death storyline somehow, someway, all works out in the end for the welfare of the FF. What I wonder is will the death of one of our beloved FF stars make the news on CNN or Fox News or perhaps even CBS, ABC or NBC? If so, could this create enough interest in the FF to raise it's standing in the sales charts significantly?

[edhopper]

As a longtime reader myself, I sympathize with the concerns of some of my fellow longtime FF fans. All we can do at this point is to trust Joe Q and his staff and hope that the death storyline somehow, someway, all works out in the end for the welfare of the FF. What I wonder is will the death of one of our beloved FF stars make the news on CNN or Fox News or perhaps even CBS, ABC or NBC? If so, could this create enough interest in the FF to raise it's standing in the sales charts significantly?

Trusting Joe Q in this, the man behind OMD, would be like trusting the Republicans on Social Security and Health Care.

[Runguy]

Trusting Joe Q in this, the many behind OMD, would be like trusting the Republicans on Social Security and Health Care.

This has more to do with Hickman and the book's editors than Joey Q :cool:

[edhopper]

This has more to do with Hickman and the book's editors than Joey Q :cool:

Probably so, which is why I said Hickman should be better than this stunt in a previous post.
I was just responding to the post about trusting Joe Q. A foolish thing IMHO.

[Frank]

They should keep it going as the Fantastic Four with the fourth member always be a new character depending the stories you're telling. It would be fun.

[Smokey17]

well juding by Spidey's Reaction to an upcoming cover of ASM it's pretty apparant on who it will be.

[alexforever]

As a longtime reader myself, I sympathize with the concerns of some of my fellow longtime FF fans. All we can do at this point is to trust Joe Q and his staff and hope that the death storyline somehow, someway, all works out in the end for the welfare of the FF. What I wonder is will the death of one of our beloved FF stars make the news on CNN or Fox News or perhaps even CBS, ABC or NBC? If so, could this create enough interest in the FF to raise it's standing in the sales charts significantly?

The biggest thing in the last five years that got press was was Spider-man related and that books is a mess forever. People who wanted a story about Spider-man revealing his identity to the world (in a boringly cliched way in my opinion) would of only got stuff about Civil War and a few pages of Jonah Jameson being mad about Peter being Spider-man. That's it. I think it broke the credibility of the book. Basically, Spider-man is the book about what you don't get to me after that.

My point is Marvel really needs to start pulling itself together, which means somebody has to die. Stuff like Reed and Sue breaking up for five minutes isn't going to cut it. Marvel needs to move on from the Millar/Quesada/Bendis conceptual overhype and into story-driven hype that is actually planned out in advanced hopefully.

[Sue Storm lover]

Marvel has played up this "Three" storyline up so much, that if they backed down at this point and gave us the death of Valeria or Franklin or the death of Ben, Johnny, Reed or Sue from the future or the past, they would no doubt lose a lot of credibility. All we can do is hope that the Marvel chiefs know what they are doing and that all will come out for the better eventually.

[Master of Sound]

Marvel has played up this "Three" storyline up so much, that if they backed down at this point and gave us the death of Valeria or Franklin or the death of Ben, Johnny, Reed or Sue from the future or the past, they would no doubt lose a lot of credibility. All we can do is hope that the Marvel chiefs know what they are doing and that all will come out for the better eventually.


I think they will kill off one, but that one will be replaced by een alternative universe copy or come back from death within a year. I'm betting on it!

[Minerboh]

They've got to have SOMETHING. I just can't see them ending FF just like that. Hickman's got something planned here.
Μy guess is that they intend to replace the FF with a ''New Fantastic Four'' title with a new #1.
That would explain two things i have noticed: the Fantastic Spider Man teaser picture and the big Status Quo change Slott mentioned when he revealed what had in store when his run begins!

[direction9]

I am right with you. I am also down to a handful of books. Each big, stupid event leaves me with no interest to continue. Spider-man OMD, gone. Avengers, Secret Invasion, gone. Hulk, Red Hulk, gone. DD, Shadowland, probably gone. Now they plan to kill an FF member, which to me is nothing but an unnecessary publicity grab. They might lose me here to.
And this is coming from a reader that goes back to the Silver Age.

bagging the issue or not, if you've been reading the book then you can tell that this is the complete opposite of an unnecessary publicity grab.

[direction9]

I don't know who is being killed off, but I think the current story works well with all the characters. I think killing one of them off is just a gambit to make it "important" and is the work of a lazy writer who is using shock value over good storytelling.
I think Hickman is better than that and doesn't need this gimmick.


i mean you contradict yourself a bit here. according to this, any death is a lazy death for nothing but shock value.

[Sue Storm lover]

I think they will kill off one, but that one will be replaced by een alternative universe copy or come back from death within a year. I'm betting on it!

Yes, I actually wrote Marvel and suggested an alternate Universe copy as a possible way around the death of the Marvel Universe hero/heroine. I have noticed in recent days quite a few posters suggesting a return to the beginning and a new issue #1. I was not at all pleased with this happened the last two times, but I will certainly favor this option if Sue is the one who is killed. However, such a scenario would seem to run counter to the announced plan that Marvel plans to integrate the FF more fully into the rest of the Marvel Universe. How could this be done if the FF starts all over at #1, but the other key titles stay in the 2011 timeline?

[direction9]

Yes, I actually wrote Marvel and suggested an alternate Universe copy as a possible way around the death of the Marvel Universe hero/heroine. I have noticed in recent days quite a few posters suggesting a return to the beginning and a new issue #1. I was not at all pleased with this happened the last two times, but I will certainly favor this option if Sue is the one who is killed. However, such a scenario would seem to run counter to the announced plan that Marvel plans to integrate the FF more fully into the rest of the Marvel Universe. How could this be done if the FF starts all over at #1, but the other key titles stay in the 2011 timeline?

starting a new title has nothing to do with the timeline. they aren't veering from the timeline.

[DrDoom616]

So is Spider-man replacing Dead Johnny?

[Kirk G]

They should keep it going as the Fantastic Four with the fourth member always be a new character depending the stories you're telling. It would be fun.

It wouldn't be a family any more...

Plus, it would be just as poor a concept as that alternative Fantastic Four wannabees that ran for two or three issues back in the day... Ghostrider, Hulk, Wolverine and somebody else...spidey?

[alexforever]

It wouldn't be a family any more...

Plus, it would be just as poor a concept as that alternative Fantastic Four wannabees that ran for two or three issues back in the day... Ghostrider, Hulk, Wolverine and somebody else...spidey?

Yeah, that was it. But it was drawn by Art Adams, so it was great. Actually I liked it a lot.

[marvelprince]

I think Spider-Man as a new permanent FF member would be the balls.

[DrDoom616]

I think Spider-Man as a new permanent FF member would be the balls.

Yeah, as long as they don't pull a OMD/BND on the FF :eek:

[Grapeweasel]

It actually started in November, 1993:


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26903/522582-1993_ff_382_super.jpg

[DrDoom616]

lol yeah, i remember, and this didn't last either, Reed was brought back not long after being 'killed off' :wink:

[J.R. LeMar]

lol yeah, i remember, and this didn't last either, Reed was brought back not long after being 'killed off' :wink:

And wasn't The Thing killed and then brought back immediately just a few years ago? I can't imagine why anyone thinks this is a good idea again.

And putting the death issue in a black bag? Great, I'll be sure buy six copies and stick them in a box with my six mint bagged copies of Superman #75.

[DrDoom616]

and then Sue was killed off in the 'Death In the Family' one-shot and then again (well, future Sue) shortly after

So, I guess it must be Johnny's turn this time lol

Getting to be a bit of a joke now, with the whole, which one of the Four will die this time.

[red eyes]

Does anyone know which issue the person dies in "Three"?

[coconutphone]

lol yeah, i remember, and this didn't last either, Reed was brought back not long after being 'killed off' :wink:

It was like 2 years later.

[Runguy]

Does anyone know which issue the person dies in "Three"?

That issue would be 587

[coconutphone]

and then Sue was killed off in the 'Death In the Family' one-shot

Can someone explain this one shot. I assume it's not in continuity. Does it fall at any point in the main series that I should be reading it next to? I am reading the whole run in order and wondered when I should read it.

[red eyes]

That issue would be 587

Ah k cheers

[DrDoom616]

It was like 2 years later.

27 issues to be exact :biggrin: like I said, not long, lol

Issue 381-407

[Sue Storm lover]

I just read that Ben Grimm in featured in a promo for the new "Fear Itself" material which premieres in April 2011. Hence, it would seem that almost all of us were right when we predicted that Ben will survive.

[deathcry]

I just read that Ben Grimm in featured in a promo for the new "Fear Itself" material which premieres in April 2011. Hence, it would seem that almost all of us were right when we predicted that Ben will survive.

Of course, so is Bucky as Cap....

[Legion_Quest]

So........the title gets renamed FF and the logo changes to monochrome hexagons that looks a bit like the Torchwood logo.

And it reverts to issue 1 just before a big milestone.

Can't say I really like that, but meh, I'm intrigued enough by the story. Just as long as Spiderman doesnt join, he's in enough.

[Sue Storm lover]

Sorry to disappoint, but it has been pretty much announced that Spidey is joining the team, at least initially.

[Mark_S]

Maybe comic book characters should come with some sort of death-o-meter so we can keep track of how often they die.

Mark_S

[Finganforn]

Maybe comic book characters should come with some sort of death-o-meter so we can keep track of how often they die.

Mark_S

It is there implicitly for everyone, ad infinitum.