Chaos War: Dead Avengers #1 *Spoilers*

[motteditor]

Really enjoyed this, particularly the parts with the Avengers I liked.

I loved seeing Vision back -- it's been what, 10 years almost since his friends left him in a crate? (I'm still baffled why they haven't tried to fix him, considering they've done so at least three times in the past.)

Also REALLY loved Yellowjacket. I just think the Rita DeMara version of the character was so cool. Loved her telling off Dr. Druid (who's as big a jerk as always). Really loved her saying how no one noticed she was killed. (And they actually acknowledge Iron Man killed her in current continuity, so I was pleased to see the Drunken Despot does still officially have that on his ledger.)

Basic plot is pretty simple. The characters come to in a room with a bunch of comatose Avengers. No clue how or why. Hearing screams from outside -- some things seem to be erasing dead civilians from reality -- they spring into action (hurrah for Vision, one of the discarded classics getting to issue the battle cry). Lots of nice action pieces and character moments sprinkled throughout, including a somewhat odd Fastball Special with Capt. Marvel and Swordsman.

And of course two classic Avengers baddies -- Grim Reaper and Nekra -- show up at the end. Ol' Erik apparently wanted ALL the Avengers together for when he gets his ultimate victory. (Which reminds me, I need to check that first spread to see if Simon's there. Be kind of ironic if he weren't.)

I don't get a lot of Van Lente's work, since I have no interest in the Hulk, though I loved his work on iHerc, and this is up to that par. Really looking forward to the next two issues.

I know everyone's got their favorites, but I really hope Vision and YJ make it back to the land of living.

And thought I'd respond to this from the preview thread:

How standalone is this mini series? I'm not really all that interested in Chaos War itself but this looks pretty cool....I know it involves Nekra & Grim Reaper but how much knowledge do I really need to know about people like Amatsu-Mikaboshi and herc to folow this?

It seems, based on the first issue, to be completely standalone. There's a couple references to what's going on, but I don't think you'd have any trouble following it without reading Chaos War.

[AcesX1X]

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

[Nevets F]

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

Vision doesn't, but someone else does.

Best part of this issue was by far Yellowjacket, followed for me by just seeing Deathcry, even if FVL writes her incorrectly, he's just taking Giffen's lead...which was also incorrect, but still, yay.

[XPac]

I wonder if Mar-Vell ever wonders why he keeps getting dragged into these back from the dead Avengers adventures, even though he technically never was one in life anyways.

[motteditor]

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

No. And why would he. He's clearly been shown to be more than a machine. It's kind of the point of the entire character.

[AcesX1X]

Vision doesn't, but someone else does.

thanks, steven!

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I GOTTA pick this up! Vision needs to come back for good after this mini.

If Vision returns after Dead Avengers
Jan returns after Ant-Man/Wasp (I can still hope)
and Wanda returns after Children Crusade

I will be a happy camper.

Maybe the 2012 Avengers can be:
Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Songbird.

[Dermie]

I wonder if Mar-Vell ever wonders why he keeps getting dragged into these back from the dead Avengers adventures, even though he technically never was one in life anyways.

Nah, he fought alongside them enough in life that it shouldn't seem weird to him. Besides, with his cosmic awareness he should be aware that he was awarded posthumous membership. :wink:

Besides, if anyone should feel out of place, its Rita! Her honorary membership is probably the flimsiest in Avengers history. Vision is probably looking at her and thinking "how come SHE is here, but Thunderstrike or Jack of Hearts aren't?" :wink:

[XPac]

Nah, he fought alongside them enough in life that it shouldn't seem weird to him. Besides, with his cosmic awareness he should be aware that he was awarded posthumous membership. :wink:

Besides, if anyone should feel out of place, its Rita! Her honorary membership is probably the flimsiest in Avengers history. Vision is probably looking at her and thinking "how come SHE is here, but Thunderstrike or Jack of Hearts aren't?" :wink:

I'm mildly impressed the bad guys would even know to resurrect her. I don't think it's even common knowledge that she's dead, let alone an Avenger.

[Capt USA]

Liked this issue mostly, fairly decent characterizations loved that Swordsman was the one to be calling for the heroic actions.

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there.
Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :) ) (I didn't include Masque as that's a subspect inclusion anyway)

[Will.S]

I know everyone's got their favorites, but I really hope Vision and YJ make it back to the land of living.
While I'd like to see Vision come back very much, I'm a little doubtful of that happening here since this is one of those mini's that tend to be pretty self contained and don't spill over into what Bendis is doing. Although I think Children's Crusade might be a better vehicle for his return since he's such a pivotal role in Scarlet Witch's world.

[Capt USA]

While I'd like to see Vision come back very much, I'm a little doubtful of that happening here since this is one of those mini's that tend to be pretty self contained and don't spill over into what Bendis is doing. Although I think Children's Crusade might be a better vehicle for his return since he's such a pivotal role in Scarlet Witch's world.

the problem with it happening in Childrens crusade is that there is already a Vision in that mini, and it's not likely for Marvel to have two competing visions in one universe. (yes I know two human torches exist right now) . But I agree this doesn't feel like a mini that is going to have any impact on the rest of the story or Marvel Universe.

[Will.S]

the problem with it happening in Childrens crusade is that there is already a Vision in that mini, and it's not likely for Marvel to have two competing visions in one universe. (yes I know two human torches exist right now) . But I agree this doesn't feel like a mini that is going to have any impact on the rest of the story or Marvel Universe.
I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

[XPac]

I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

Technically 3 if you count the original WW2 vision.

Throw in Human Torch, and you have the makings of a Corps.

[Nevets F]

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there.
Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :) ) (I didn't include Masque as that's a subspect inclusion anyway)

Forgotten One came back to life in the latest Eternals series. Marrina is brought back next week in Chaos War: Alpha Flight.

When did Two-Gun Kid die? He was part of the Initiative fairly recently.

[Will.S]

Technically 3 if you count the original WW2 vision.

Throw in Human Torch, and you have the makings of a Corps.
That too.


Forgotten One came back to life in the latest Eternals series. Marrina is brought back next week in Chaos War: Alpha Flight.

When did Two-Gun Kid die? He was part of the Initiative fairly recently.
Two-Gun's kind of weird.

Technically he's dead of old age but since he time traveled to the future he can still exist as well since he hadn't died yet at the point of his time travel.

[stingerman]

Nah, he fought alongside them enough in life that it shouldn't seem weird to him. Besides, with his cosmic awareness he should be aware that he was awarded posthumous membership. :wink:

Besides, if anyone should feel out of place, its Rita! Her honorary membership is probably the flimsiest in Avengers history. Vision is probably looking at her and thinking "how come SHE is here, but Thunderstrike or Jack of Hearts aren't?" :wink:

At least Jack got a reference to in this week's Avengers. He would have rocked as a Dead Avenger!

I thought the issue was good, but my main problem is it's only three issues! I would even say it's better than the main CW event, imo. Actually, all the tie-ins seem to be.

So being three issues, Van Lente needs to make this count - and he does! I would have liked to see some more characterization in regards to Mar-vell, but I suppose everyone who likes these characters could say the same about their fav. Again, a short three issues - its "Avengers!" Should be more! :biggrin:

Looking forward to the next two.

Here's a full review: http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/review-chaos-war-dead-avengers-1

[LordEd1976]

Two-Gun's kind of weird.

Technically he's dead of old age but since he time traveled to the future he can still exist as well since he hadn't died yet at the point of his time travel.

Its get weirder.

There are right now 3 fates writers have given Two-Gun

1. he's stuck in the 21st Century and can NEVER go back to the Wild West

2. He goes back but dies in a huge shoot-out in the town of Wonderment, as seen in the mini-series Blaze of Glory

3. He goes back to his native era and gets to grow old and give his story and equipment to the Golden Age Angel, as seen in the mini-series The Marvels Project

i can see why someone wouldnt want to use him in a Dead Avengers group

[Billium 3]

I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

Perhaps classic Vision could think of the latest Vision as a son he never had?

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I'd love to see a new Pym family book similar in tone to Doom Patrol featuring Hank Pym, Wasp, Ultron 13, Vision, Jonas, Jocasta, and Victor Mancha. :biggrin:

[Skaddix]

This is a another Shadowland, main story sucks but the tie-ins are vastly superior.

[XPac]

Perhaps classic Vision could think of the latest Vision as a son he never had?

He's already got 2 sons on YA... what's once more, I guess.

[nojarama]

LOVED the issue. Can't wait to see what happens next. Oh, and i think having 2 Visions is fine & dandy with me!

[Saku]

I'd love to see a new Pym family book similar in tone to Doom Patrol featuring Hank Pym, Wasp, Ultron 13, Vision, Jonas, Jocasta, and Victor Mancha. :biggrin:


Hell yea, I have been wanting something like a Pym family book for awhile.

As for Jack of Hearts, he is probably not a "dead avenger" because it is possible he is alive somewhere right now. He did win the resurrection lottery in that Hercules story. Id like to see him back

[strathcona]

I really enjoyed this issue. I had high hopes for it, and it met them. Now, if we can just get Vision and Yellowjacket to be brought back at the end of this.

[scouse mouse]

Really enjoyed this book, I'm only familar with Vision and Deathcry but I like all the dead Avengers involved. I must echo other posters feelings and demand the return of Yellowjacket, she seems like a really good character!

[Ravin' Ray]

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there. Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :)
I was thinking of three of those you mentioned: Jack of Hearts, Scott Lang, and Sentry. But putting in Sentry would tip the balance of the dead Avengers; plus no telling what his state of mind would be. Janet isn't exactly dead now is she, just in another state of existence.

[XPac]

I was thinking of three of those you mentioned: Jack of Hearts, Scott Lang, and Sentry. But putting in Sentry would tip the balance of the dead Avengers; plus no telling what his state of mind would be. Janet isn't exactly dead now is she, just in another state of existence.

Sentry definately is a potential game changer.

That said, I'm also not entirely convinced Sentry is actually dead.

Heck, Jack might even be a bit of a question mark.

[Push You Down]

I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

Have one assume the red and green look and have the other take on the white look.

[pariah-1972]

I was very disappointed in this issue the story would have been better without the flashbacks.

And the colouring was too pale and washed out.

I normally love Grummets work tho.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I was very disappointed in this issue the story would have been better without the flashbacks.

And the colouring was too pale and washed out.

I normally love Grummets work tho.

The Swordsman flashback is the only thing that kept this from being completely mediocre. That, and the Grim Reaper appearance.

[pariah-1972]

The Swordsman flashback is the only thing that kept this from being completely mediocre. That, and the Grim Reaper appearance.

I just would have liked more story before the flashbacks.

[Finganforn]

Technically 3 if you count the original WW2 vision.

Throw in Human Torch, and you have the makings of a Corps.

That is it, Marvel's newest team: The Visionaries! Heck, marvel should hire me for such good ideas!

[SomeBodyAtCBR]

I thought this book was kinda confusing. It jumped around a lot.

[Gnarl]

It was interesting to see the Vision when people were comparing deaths, being too ashamed to admit that his wife killed him in a domestic.

[pariah-1972]

It is kind of offensive that he choose who should be brought back and who wasn't - even reading this i knew there was a lot more dead avengers out there than this.

[Vic Vega]

I really enjoyed this book. Vision's stoicism, Yellowjacket's spunkiness, Swordsman's badassery and Dr. Druid's dickishness made this fun.

I hope at least some of the characters stay in the world of the living. But at least 3 of them were probably happier dead(D.C. Druid and Marvel).

[Combustible Pumpkins]

I don't get a lot of Van Lente's work, since I have no interest in the Hulk, though I loved his work on iHerc, and this is up to that par. Really looking forward to the next two issues.


Are you thinking Greg Pak? If not, I didn't know Van Lente ever wrote the Hulk. Would love to see Van Lente on a team book after reading this issue. I'd pick up The Avengers again if he wrote it.

[Combustible Pumpkins]

I thought this book was kinda confusing. It jumped around a lot.

I don't think the flashbacks were that hard to follow. :smile:

[andybmcd]

I'm of two minds here. I loved his intro to these characters (As a newer reader I haven't read any of their past appearances and have interest in doing so), but I thought his plot so far was a bit weak.

Artwork had a nostalgic feel to it and was inoffensive.

Very much looking forward to more Swordsman and Dr. Druid. Definitely want to see more Druid after this.

[pariah-1972]

I'm of two minds here. I loved his intro to these characters (As a newer reader I haven't read any of their past appearances and have interest in doing so), but I thought his plot so far was a bit weak.

Artwork had a nostalgic feel to it and was inoffensive.

Very much looking forward to more Swordsman and Dr. Druid. Definitely want to see more Druid after this.

But wot about Vision? and yeah Druid is an interesting fellow.

[andybmcd]

But wot about Vision? and yeah Druid is an interesting fellow.

Eh, Vision I could take or leave. Never really read a version of him that made him interesting to me. I would have loved a little more exploration of "If I'm an android, how am I dead?" that they briefly touched on.

Tbh I prefer Daddy Ultron and Step-brother Mancha(Don't hate me) to Vision.

[static]

can someone explain the flashback with vision and ultron? was that vision in his 'afterlife'? or was that before he joined the avengers?

[pariah-1972]

Eh, Vision I could take or leave. Never really read a version of him that made him interesting to me. I would have loved a little more exploration of "If I'm an android, how am I dead?" that they briefly touched on.

Tbh I prefer Daddy Ultron and Step-brother Mancha(Don't hate me) to Vision.Well most people have treated him as a human being so it makes sense to me since he has always been more than the sum of his parts.

of course i always liked him cause he was weird and mysterious.

[pariah-1972]

can someone explain the flashback with vision and ultron? was that vision in his 'afterlife'? or was that before he joined the avengers?I took it as when Ultron was still building him.

[Blackknight75]

Liked this issue mostly, fairly decent characterizations loved that Swordsman was the one to be calling for the heroic actions.

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there.
Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :) ) (I didn't include Masque as that's a subspect inclusion anyway)


Seeing as he is made up of energy, I don't think of Jack of Hearts as being dead, just dispersed, and needs to be put back together again.

I don't beleive Sentry is dead, as I think Loki pulled a huge deception at the end of Siege, and has instead moved into the realm where The Void originated from (this really a discussion for another thread).

Nova - too soon. Besides, we don't know for sure if he is dead. I for one am hoping for Richard and Peter Quill to make a return in the near future. Them cosmic cubes can be tricky things.

Bullseye - technically an Avenger, but only because Osborn was in charge at the time. But his dead body was almost re-animated in the pages of Shadowland.

Marrina - see the Alpha Flight one-shot

Ant-Man - this is a tricky one. I keep hoping that he will return, that some writer will tell the story of how he shrank down and escaped intot he Micro-Verse. I know there were some bone fragments of an arm recovered from the scene of his death, but he could have at least lost an arm during the escape. I was hoping he'd turn up in the recent Micronauts/Enigma Force mini-series.

[Blackknight75]

Maybe the Vision wasn't dead but resting.

His body held in stasis while it was being repaired. Since the mansion had been closed down, he couldn't have been reactivated, but since Cage and his crew have been leaving the lights on, the Vision's repair cycle was able to be completed, just in time for the Chaos War.

[The_Livewire]

I'm kind of glad we don't see Thunderstrike.

He really needs to be the Don Hall of the MU. "Eric Masterson, at peace."

[XPac]

I'm kind of glad we don't see Thunderstrike.

He really needs to be the Don Hall of the MU. "Eric Masterson, at peace."

I wonder if Thunderstrike went to the norse warrior heaven (forgot what it's called) rather than the regular afterlife.

[AdamYJ]

I wonder if Thunderstrike went to the norse warrior heaven (forgot what it's called) rather than the regular afterlife.

He refused a place in Valhalla, actually. No one knows where he went. If there's an answer for that, it'll probably pop up in the new Thunderstrike miniseries.


I loved seeing Vision back -- it's been what, 10 years almost since his friends left him in a crate? (I'm still baffled why they haven't tried to fix him, considering they've done so at least three times in the past.)

And if the man's dead (or "unreparable"), how about a proper burial? It's the least he deserves.

[XPac]

He refused a place in Valhalla, actually. No one knows where he went. If there's an answer for that, it'll probably pop up in the new Thunderstrike miniseries.



And if the man's dead (or "unreparable"), how about a proper burial? It's the least he deserves.

Maybe with Vision 2.0 walking around with his memories, they just don't consider him dead.

[AdamYJ]

Maybe with Vision 2.0 walking around with his memories, they just don't consider him dead.

Or maybe being crated and stuffed in a warehouse is according to his wishes as stipulated in his will. :tongue:

"He always wanted to be buried at warehouse". :frown:

[XPac]

Or maybe being crated and stuffed in a warehouse is according to his wishes as stipulated in his will. :tongue:

"He always wanted to be buried at warehouse". :frown:

Given the high rate of comic book ressurections, that would actually make sense. If I came back life, I know I'd rather find myself in the Avengers basement than 6 feet under in some cemetary.

[Billium 3]

He's already got 2 sons on YA... what's once more, I guess.

I wasn't sure if that was the case or something else, considering Wanda's magic/powers and all that jazz.

[Retrodork]

I've always been a big Mar-Vell fan, so I'm happy to see him up, running around and kicking the asses that need kicking. Swordsman also had some really good characterization, probably the best I ever saw of him, though to be fair he wasn't around too terribly long in the old days for any decent development to have ever occurred. Yellowjacket was a nice addition too. I always thought her demise was unjustly swept under the rug.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Reading some West Coast Avengers classic material, this whole "resurrection with a purpose" thing was done already.

The "Legion of the Undead", raised by Immortus as footsoldiers to his cause, consisted of the original Black Knight, Grim Reaper, Swordsman, Leftwing and Rightwing, Toro, and (best of all) OORTA THE LIVING COMET.

Where is OORTA THE LIVING COMET here?

Come on.

[Blackknight75]

Oorta the Living Comet is from the Avengers future. There was a hint of a fight with the Avengers at the end of Avengers Forever when Songbird returned to her time period.

Still, I would like to see Oorta make his 'debut', especially since he is supposed to have some kind of rivalry with Quicksilver, and Pietro is now back with the Avengers at the Academy.