Could Wonder Woman Do The Impossible?!

[Boonciaver]

Could she use her magic lasso on the Joker, and finally once and for all get the true story behind his origin? :wink:

[Free-Man]

Could she use her magic lasso on the Joker, and finally once and for all get the true story behind his origin? :wink:

I don't believe so. For the most part, events seem to indicate that at least part of the Killing Joke is indeed meant to be canon (he did indeed have a wife who was murdered by crooks and he was the original Red Hood), but the implication is that the Joker is too insane to remember what his life was really like before he fell into the chemicals.

Basically, what I mean is that I always took it that the lasso makes you reveal stuff you know but want to be secret. I don't think the Joker knows for sure what is true and what's a lie.

[americanwonder]

Basically, what I mean is that I always took it that the lasso makes you reveal stuff you know but want to be secret. I don't think the Joker knows for sure what is true and what's a lie.

That's one way to look at it, but I don't see it that way. I think the lasso can help one remember that which has been forgotten and even help one understand that which has been unclear.

As for the Joker, I think he knows - but part of his appeal is that we don't know. So, that's not likely to be shown anytime soon.

Which brings us to the larger issue, this really all depends on DC editorial, of course. And since the Joker makes them more money than WW - no, they will not allow WW to do anything that might outshine the Clown Prince.

[Boonciaver]

That's one way to look at it, but I don't see it that way. I think the lasso can help one remember that which has been forgotten and even help one understand that which has been unclear.

As for the Joker, I think he knows - but part of his appeal is that we don't know. So, that's not likely to be shown anytime soon.

Which brings us to the larger issue, this really all depends on DC editorial, of course. And since the Joker makes them more money than WW - no, they will not allow WW to do anything that might outshine the Clown Prince.

Had to sneak that last part in didn't you :wink:.

[americanwonder]

Had to sneak that last part in didn't you :wink:.

Well, I was wrapped in the lasso at the time, so I had no choice. :wink:

[Boonciaver]

Well, I was wrapped in the lasso at the time, so I had no choice. :wink:

Lol, good one :tongue:.

But anyway I think I'm going to go with what Free-Man said. I just think that it's impossible for anyone - even Wonder Woman - to get the true origin out of the Joker.

[americanwonder]

Lol, good one :tongue:.

But anyway I think I'm going to go with what Free-Man said. I just think that it's impossible for anyone - even Wonder Woman - to get the true origin out of the Joker.

If I may, why do you prefer that option?

[Boonciaver]

If I may, why do you prefer that option?

Because his mind doesn't recognize any part of itself as being "true". To think the one person on Earth who the lasso couldn't work on is just a mere, non-God, non-magical, mortal.

[brettc1]

That's one way to look at it, but I don't see it that way. I think the lasso can help one remember that which has been forgotten and even help one understand that which has been unclear.

As for the Joker, I think he knows - but part of his appeal is that we don't know. So, that's not likely to be shown anytime soon.

Which brings us to the larger issue, this really all depends on DC editorial, of course. And since the Joker makes them more money than WW - no, they will not allow WW to do anything that might outshine the Clown Prince.

The last part is the truest, though I would have said it differently. The Joker's non-identity is a vital part of the character. But its true for WW as well. You won't see her...

Actually, I'm not even going to say it. The way her book goes at the moment I might put the mocca on her.

[americanwonder]

Because his mind doesn't recognize any part of itself as being "true". To think the one person on Earth who the lasso couldn't work on is just a mere, non-God, non-magical, mortal.

Interesting. But, as with Free-Man, I don't share that view. I don't think the lasso needs the mind itself to recognize what's true - that's the lasso's job. Also, I don't see why a creation of the gods, one that works on gods, would be ineffective against a crazy mortal - it's not like the Greeks, and their gods, were unfamiliar with crazies - and couldn't have fashioned the lasso accordingly. Besides, I don't think the Joker is really nuts. But that's just me.

[Vakanai]

Depends, are we going by Joker being sane, insane, or super-sane? And does the lasso make one sane and restore memories? Is the Joker lying when he says he doesn't remember, or does he truly not remember? Does he know the truth, would he believe the truth was the truth? Does he change his mind on what is or isn't the honest to god truth daily?
I think Wonder Woman could get the true origin out of him. But I just think it would be a different true origin every time she does so.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Seriously, though...

Will the lasso even work on the Joker?

This is a guy who's psyche has managed to do this:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1199/10jl8.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/10jl8.jpg/) http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4615/11ws4.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/f/11ws4.jpg/)


http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4497/j1qg3.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/f/j1qg3.jpg/) http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6091/j2ib5.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/f/j2ib5.jpg/)

How are we sure the lasso won't be jobbed out in similar fashion?

[vaffrey]

The Martian Manhunter was able to render him sane, temporarily, in the pages you showed below. Joker actually saved lives (reversed deaths) because of it. If he can do that, the lasso must be able to work on him. I don't see the issue.

Solution: if you want his origin to be ambiguous, you either come up with some reason to keep Diana from probing for it (which is anything else that happens to be on her plate, frankly -- there are too many things far more important to do than ask the Joker for his life history), come up with some potential repercussion from such a probe that she decides is not worth the risk (risking his life or what remains of his wellbeing by probing into areas his consciousness cannot tolerate revisiting, for example), or conclude that he has been brain damaged or otherwise cannot remember at all so that the lasso can't force it out of him.

Doesn't Diana have more important things to do than spend time probing the life history of one of Batman's villains? Let Batman save Gotham; she needs to save the world.


D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;12181324']Seriously, though...

Will the lasso even work on the Joker?

This is a guy who's psyche has managed to do this:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1199/10jl8.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/10jl8.jpg/) http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4615/11ws4.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/f/11ws4.jpg/)


http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4497/j1qg3.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/f/j1qg3.jpg/) http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6091/j2ib5.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/f/j2ib5.jpg/)

How are we sure the lasso won't be jobbed out in similar fashion?

[Mr Prince]

It would be interesting to see Diana wade into mind using the lasso like she did with Captain Nazi. I'm curious as to how an artist would represent the crazy in the Joker's head.

And I wonder if that and she would make her compassionate to Joker.

I'd like to see a connected storyline where the Trinity's villains are swapped with one another... Wonder Woman vs Joker, Batman vs Lex Luthor, and Superman vs Circe.