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Charles RB
10-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Explosives were found destined from Yemen to Chicago, but they've been neutralised after a Saudi tip-off: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11654390)


President Barack Obama has said initial examinations of two suspicious packages bound for the US show they appeared to have contained explosive materials.

He said the packages, found in the UK and Dubai on two overnight cargo planes from Yemen, were destined for Jewish places of worship in Chicago.

Security alerts are under way in the US, UK and Middle East.

The White House later said Saudi Arabia had provided information that helped identify the threat.

The two packages found in Britain's East Midlands airport and in Dubai have now been made inert, US officials say.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May later said that the device found in Britain "did contain explosive material".

"But it is not yet clear that it was a viable explosive device. The forensic work continues," she added.

The security alert saw two other cargo planes owned by the freight company UPS searched in Newark and Philadelphia.

UPS said it had suspended its shipments out of Yemen.

Another suspect package from Yemen was examined on a delivery lorry in New York, and later declared safe.

In other developments:

* New aviation security measures are being taken in light of the alert, the US Homeland Security Department announces
* The US says that if a terror link is confirmed, the main suspects will be al-Qaeda's branch in Yemen - al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
* US fighter jets escorted Emirates flight 201 from Dubai into New York, with officials saying the action was being taken "out of an abundance of caution" because cargo from Yemen was on board
* Cobra, the UK government's emergency planning committee, met on Friday and was to meet again on Saturday as discussions continue about how to tighten UK security further

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Mr Obama said he was first informed about the packages late on Thursday and that President Ali Abdallah Saleh of Yemen had pledged his country's full support in investigating the threat.

However, the Yemeni government later expressed astonishment at reports linking the country to the two packages, according to the Associated Press news agency.

It quoted a Yemeni statement as saying that no UPS cargo planes had taken off from Yemen and there had been no direct or indirect flights to British or US airports.

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US Homeland Security adviser John Brennan thanked the Saudi Arabians for their help.

"Their assistance, along with the hard work of the US counter-terrorism community, the United Kingdom, the UAE, and other friends and partners helped make it possible to increase our vigilance and identify the suspicious packages," he said.


Analysis
Gordon Corera Security correspondent, BBC News

Yemen has risen rapidly towards the top of the list of countries of concern for Western counter-terrorism officials in the past year. The group al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - which has found a sanctuary in Yemen's ungoverned spaces - has shown increasing ambition and sophistication in its attempts to target the United States and others.

But while the origin of this plot seems clear, its exact form does not. The presence of explosives in the devices suggests this was no dry run or simply an attempt to cause panic through a hoax.

But forensic experts in the UK have been continuing to study the substances found in the parts for a printer to try to understand exactly what they were and how they were to be used. There appears to be a strong conviction these were parts for a bomb but whether they were complete and how they were to be detonated and against which target remains uncertain.

Another way to put it: terrorists exist and target us, but hey, they get stopped most of the time.

Obviously, the existence of a working system means we clearly need yet more airport security measures WAIT WHAT?

DonC
10-30-2010, 07:00 AM
Obviously, the existence of a working system means we clearly need yet more airport security measures WAIT WHAT?


Of course it does. We're all going to be flying naked, with no luggage, soon.

zryson
10-30-2010, 06:57 PM
i remember in the years after the lockerbie bombing, that airlines were urged to implement new machines which could detect explosives, but the airlines, not liking the costs involved, dragged their heels so only a few airports in the world have the equipment currently. and this latest plot shows while coalition troops, led by america, are trying to sort out the mess that is afghanistan and tying up our troops, al-queda and other terrorists are happily plotting against us in other countries.

Iangould
10-30-2010, 08:13 PM
Hurrah for the Saudis.

the4thpip
10-31-2010, 03:05 AM
Of course it does. We're all going to be flying naked, with no luggage, soon.

And that is the silver lining!

king mob
10-31-2010, 05:19 AM
Explosives were found destined from Yemen to Chicago, but they've been neutralised after a Saudi tip-off: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11654390)





Another way to put it: terrorists exist and target us, but hey, they get stopped most of the time.

Obviously, the existence of a working system means we clearly need yet more airport security measures WAIT WHAT?

I hate conspiracy theories but it's odd this happened at a time when the head of BA is asing for checks to relax; the coalition are taking incredible amount of flak over their policies & the US has elections soon.

I'd not be surprised if this was another case of sending tanks to Heathrow (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2758753.stm).

Arvandor
10-31-2010, 07:21 AM
I hate conspiracy theories but it's odd this happened at a time when the head of BA is asing for checks to relax; the coalition are taking incredible amount of flak over their policies & the US has elections soon.

I'd not be surprised if this was another case of sending tanks to Heathrow (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2758753.stm).

Yes. That was my first thought too. Airlines (not just BA) ask for security to be relaxed, and practically the next day there's a bomb scare? Fishy.

Iangould
10-31-2010, 07:39 AM
There have been reports of a potential terrorist threat for the past couple of weeks.

Chris N
10-31-2010, 11:25 AM
Of course it does. We're all going to be flying naked, with no luggage, soon.

I assume that robes will be provided once we're past the security checkpoint.

Charles RB
10-31-2010, 01:50 PM
We're all going to be flying naked

Everyone flying (including the staff) will be classed as a sex offender for exposing themselves and looking at naked minors, but that's a price we have to pay.

(The uber-powerful "see people naked" scanners that may or may not be brought into airports en masse? There was actually concerns that they'd violate the UK's child porn laws...)


I hate conspiracy theories but it's odd this happened at a time when the head of BA is asing for checks to relax; the coalition are taking incredible amount of flak over their policies & the US has elections soon.

It's unlikely the American government would want to do that sort of conspiracy - failed attacks work against Obama, it gives the opposition room to scream "look, he's weak on terrorism!" (even though fuck all happened).

And everyone hates airport security checks: reducing them would get the coalition government less flack, especially as they can remind everyone "Labour brought them in!".

OverMaster
10-31-2010, 02:35 PM
Everyone flying (including the staff) will be classed as a sex offender for exposing themselves and looking at naked minors, but that's a price we have to pay.

(The uber-powerful "see people naked" scanners that may or may not be brought into airports en masse? There was actually concerns that they'd violate the UK's child porn laws...)

The solution is simple. Just forbid people from ever flying again! That way, both the Crusaders against Terror and the Moral Guardians will be happy. The latter even more since God didn't create Man to fly anyway.

the4thpip
11-01-2010, 01:41 AM
Another close call:


WINDSOR LOCKS, Conn. —
State police say a harmless snowglobe in a carryon bag caused a partial evacuation at Bradley International Airport.

State police Lt. J. Paul Vance says a Transportation Security Administration worker spotted something that looked suspicious while screening bags and alerted state police shortly before 11 a.m. Sunday.

Vance says Terminal A was evacuated as a precaution but was reopened about 45 minutes later, after authorities determined the snowglobe did not contain explosives and was not a danger.


http://www.courant.com/community/windsor-locks/hc-ap-ct-bradleyevacuationoct31,0,5103030.story

Clearly, the Rally to Restore Fear was a success.

worstblogever
11-01-2010, 01:58 AM
Another close call:



http://www.courant.com/community/windsor-locks/hc-ap-ct-bradleyevacuationoct31,0,5103030.story

Clearly, the Rally to Restore Fear was a success.

I had a co-worker tell me yesterday morning that not only should the U.S. adopt a law similar to the one in France that bans headscarves, since it helps identify Muslim terrorists who are trying to remain masked, but we should go further, and ban all face coverings of every kind, including Halloween masks.

I was like, "You... want to ban Halloween?"

"No, just masks. Makeup is still fine, as long as it's just facepaint and not false prosthetics."


"...okay... what about people who have to wear allergen masks, then?"

"They'll just have to pay for medication to overcome them. It is essential that we don't allow terrorist elements to move among us. That's why tonight during trick or treat time, I'll have a Smith & Wesson ready at my door in case any of them try to move amongst the kids. Because it's been warned online that it's a plan they have."

"Wow. And once upon a time, the worst urban legend on Halloween was just razor-blade apples. You are seriously bugshit crazy, aren't you, Doug?"



And no, I am not making this up.

Arvandor
11-01-2010, 02:49 AM
I had a co-worker tell me yesterday morning that not only should the U.S. adopt a law similar to the one in France that bans headscarves, since it helps identify Muslim terrorists who are trying to remain masked, but we should go further, and ban all face coverings of every kind, including Halloween masks.

I was like, "You... want to ban Halloween?"

"No, just masks. Makeup is still fine, as long as it's just facepaint and not false prosthetics."


"...okay... what about people who have to wear allergen masks, then?"

"They'll just have to pay for medication to overcome them. It is essential that we don't allow terrorist elements to move among us. That's why tonight during trick or treat time, I'll have a Smith & Wesson ready at my door in case any of them try to move amongst the kids. Because it's been warned online that it's a plan they have."

"Wow. And once upon a time, the worst urban legend on Halloween was just razor-blade apples. You are seriously bugshit crazy, aren't you, Doug?"



And no, I am not making this up.

Hey. I'd be absolutely fine with banning trick or treating. But I'm a Scrooge.

Charles RB
11-01-2010, 03:37 PM
"No, just masks. Makeup is still fine, as long as it's just facepaint

How is that any different? It still covers their face.


"They'll just have to pay for medication to overcome them. It is essential that we don't allow terrorist elements to move among us. That's why tonight during trick or treat time, I'll have a Smith & Wesson ready at my door in case any of them try to move amongst the kids. Because it's been warned online that it's a plan they have."

How would we know they're terrorists, or was he just going to shoot any tall trick-or-treaters?

worstblogever
11-02-2010, 05:51 AM
How is that any different? It still covers their face.

Guy's a paranoid bigot, I didn't say he made sense. This is all the stuff from that same rant:


We should adopt a headscarf ban like France, and extend it to Halloween masks, because there are Islamic radicals in this country who are going to use the holiday to run around and shoot up the populace and get away with it.
To be prepared for the terrorists ready to strike on Halloween, he was going to have his Smith & Wesson loaded, and on his person all night to answer the door for trick-or-treaters (I hope he didn't shoot any children in masks. He's insecure, obviously, but I just hope not that insecure).
He believes Muslim women only want to be able to wear their headscarves because it's an S&M dominance thing where they want to be ordered around by their men.
He said we should have bombed the mosque in Fallujah a few years back because it was housing Al Qaeda insurgents, and if it outrages those who practice Islam, so what, bomb the rest.


I mentioned it to a supervisor on Monday morning, and got asked to fill out an E.E.O. complaint, because he's said a few bigoted things before, and they want it on file.

Iangould
11-02-2010, 06:09 AM
"We should adopt a headscarf ban like France, and extend it to Halloween masks, because there are Islamic radicals in this country who are going to use the holiday to run around and shoot up the populace and get away with it."

I know you have to work with the guy but have you asked him post-Halloween why his theory didn't pan out?

worstblogever
11-02-2010, 06:11 AM
"We should adopt a headscarf ban like France, and extend it to Halloween masks, because there are Islamic radicals in this country who are going to use the holiday to run around and shoot up the populace and get away with it."

I know you have to work with the guy but have you asked him post-Halloween why his theory didn't pan out?

He was off Monday. I'm not going to get the chance. probably, as supervisors have asked me to report the incident. Giving him crap like that won't make things any more civil.

But it is tempting.