Tiny Bit of Amazon-Related News In JLA #50 *SPOILERS*

[Free-Man]

Just two small bits. They reveal that Superwoman is an Amazon from her Earth, and that she became the sole survivor after she murdered all of her sisters.

Then there was a little bit about Mercy, Doctor Impossible's female partner. There's a brief flashback where they show that Mercy used to be a Bana Amazon, and that Impossible recruited her by telling her that her sisters don't consider her a "real" Amazon.

[missferris]

Just two small bits. They reveal that Superwoman is an Amazon from her Earth, and that she became the sole survivor after she murdered all of her sisters.

Then there was a little bit about Mercy, Doctor Impossible's female partner. There's a brief flashback where they show that Mercy used to be a Bana Amazon, and that Impossible recruited her by telling her that her sisters don't consider her a "real" Amazon.

I actually liked both of these parts. Specifically the Superwoman part.

[OBrianTallent]

I have long wanted to see Superwoman become a recurring villain for Diana. She's the complete opposite of Diana, ruthless, selfish, conniving...plus she's got the power to go toe to toe with Diana. I even mentioned it to Gail once who found the idea interesting. I still really hope to see them go at it one day! Plus I would really love to learn the back story on Superwoman (as well as the rest of the CSA!)

[Free-Man]

I have long wanted to see Superwoman become a recurring villain for Diana. She's the complete opposite of Diana, ruthless, selfish, conniving...plus she's got the power to go toe to toe with Diana. I even mentioned it to Gail once who found the idea interesting. I still really hope to see them go at it one day! Plus I would really love to learn the back story on Superwoman (as well as the rest of the CSA!)

More than any other CSA member (possibly save for Owlman), Superwoman certainly gets the most hints dropped about her origins and background. Aside from the above-mentioned line about her killing all of the Amazons on her planet, she mentions having learned combat on "Damnation Island", which sounds like a little twist on Reformation Island and the like.

[TimothyLaskey]

Finally! Somebody is using the potential goldmine that is Superwoman. She needs to be more of a dark mirror version of Wonder Woman.

For too long she's been treated as more of a Superman villain, if you can believe that. She has the secret identity Lois Lane, and works as a newspaper reporter... She has heat vision and has been shown giving Kal a run for his money in a fight.

I hope they clear up that stuff and gear her up as more of an evil Diana. I'm interested in Damnation Island. There's so much potential to use.

[americanwonder]

Thanks for the heads-up, Free-Man. I do appreciate it. :smile:

Might have to keep an eye on this and pick it up when it comes out in tpb - I do like me some Superwoman.

[OzBat!]

The JLA animated movie Crisis on Earth 2 had Superwoman's subordinates as mirror universe versions of the Marvels: Cap, Junior, and the older Uncle guy. Subtle suggestion that the animated Superwoman might actually have been an evil Lois Lane with the power of Shazam? Although they never showed a transformation.

[Free-Man]

Finally! Somebody is using the potential goldmine that is Superwoman. She needs to be more of a dark mirror version of Wonder Woman.

For too long she's been treated as more of a Superman villain, if you can believe that. She has the secret identity Lois Lane, and works as a newspaper reporter... She has heat vision and has been shown giving Kal a run for his money in a fight.

I hope they clear up that stuff and gear her up as more of an evil Diana. I'm interested in Damnation Island. There's so much potential to use.

The Superman stuff is definately still there. Owlman calls her "Lois" on at least one occasion.

And yup, I think McDuffie even came on here and confirmed that he had written Superwoman as an evil Mary Marvel in the movie. The evil Wonder Woman was a generic villain Diana fought near the end of the movie.

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

I think awhile back they established when Superwoman came to the mainland, she killed the 'real' Earth-Three Lois Lane and assumed her identity. Kind of a twisted twist on the Golden Age Diana "purchasing" the real Diana Prince's identity so the former Miss Prince could go to South America and get married.

[OBrianTallent]

The Superman stuff is definately still there. Owlman calls her "Lois" on at least one occasion.

And yup, I think McDuffie even came on here and confirmed that he had written Superwoman as an evil Mary Marvel in the movie. The evil Wonder Woman was a generic villain Diana fought near the end of the movie.

That was one of the few faults I found with the movie...and one I consider to have been a serious fault that was very unnecessary. Why not just keep her as she is. Nothing was served in that change at all.


I think awhile back they established when Superwoman came to the mainland, she killed the 'real' Earth-Three Lois Lane and assumed her identity. Kind of a twisted twist on the Golden Age Diana "purchasing" the real Diana Prince's identity so the former Miss Prince could go to South America and get married.

I think this was in the Earth 2 graphic novel, but I could be mistaken.

[TimothyLaskey]

I think the first time that Superwoman was shown using the Lois Lane ID was in the Silver Age, wasn't it? Either way, I suppose it's a nod to the Silver Age Lois-as-Superwoman stories where she gets Kryptonian powers and a costume like Clark's.

I'd rather she was as distant from the Superman mythos as possible. It's confusing enough that she has the prefix "Super" attached to her name. Wonder Woman needs more fleshing out by the overly shy writers... and this is one more opportunity to do so, by contrasting Diana with her dark mirror image. There should be no heat vision, no Lois secret identity, no Shazam family "made men"...

Every other member of the CSA is a pure, distilled evil version of their JLA counterpart. There's no reason why Diana's can't be the same. If it doesn't work, get creative and make it work... otherwise the fanboys out there pick up on the writer's opinion that Wonder Woman is a lame character and follow suit by never picking up her book.

[OBrianTallent]

For this reason I would like a mini series detailing the history of the CSA and the members. Other than what little bit has been told, and I mean very little bit, we dont know anything about them really.
Owlman is Thomas Wayne who's father is the commissioner.
Ultraman is Clark Kent, an earthling who was given his powers in some kind of experiment.
Jonny Quick...no idea.
Power Ring...some kind of middle eastern powered ring.
Superwoman an amazon who killed Lois Lane and took her life.

That's basically all we know there's tons more there to learn...at least I think anyway.

[Spiffy]

Just two small bits. They reveal that Superwoman is an Amazon from her Earth, and that she became the sole survivor after she murdered all of her sisters.
The first part of that has long been established (since JLA: Earth 2)--although I suppose that was technically a different "universe" than the current CSA comes from, since that's an actual plot point in "52".

But even if its technically a new universe, the "Pseudo-Diana but named Lois" part seems to all be intact (she's not ACTUALLY Lois Lane, she's Diana--her human alias is just Lois Lane).

The fact that she actually murdered all the other Amazons, that part is new as far as I know.

[dreyga2000]

For this reason I would like a mini series detailing the history of the CSA and the members. Other than what little bit has been told, and I mean very little bit, we dont know anything about them really.
Owlman is Thomas Wayne who's father is the commissioner.
Ultraman is Clark Kent, an earthling who was given his powers in some kind of experiment.
Jonny Quick...no idea.
Power Ring...some kind of middle eastern powered ring.
Superwoman an amazon who killed Lois Lane and took her life.

That's basically all we know there's tons more there to learn...at least I think anyway.


Ultraman- Lieutenant Clark Kent, a human astronaut from the antimatter Earth and no longer an alien matching Superman exactly. After a fiery space shuttle crash, an unknown alien race reconstructed Kent in an attempt to repair the damaged astronaut, which ended up altering the human both mentally and physically, giving him ultrapowers similar to Superman's superpowers. According to Alexander Luthor, the process also twisted Ultraman's mind. In contrast to Superman, Ultraman's power relies on his proximity and exposure to a substance called Anti-Kryptonite; the longer and farther he is separated from it the weaker he becomes. This substance has repeatedly been shown to have no apparent effect on Superman as Kryptonite has been shown to have no effect on antimatter Clark Kent's superhuman powers and abilities.

Owlman- Owlman is Thomas Wayne Jr.'s older the brother... In the antimatter universe his younger brother Bruce was killed along with his mother by a policeman when Thomas Sr. refused to accompany him for questioning. Thomas Jr. escaped the crime scene with the hoodlum Joe Chill, whom he considered his hero, and grew up to become Owlman. Equipping himself with a utility belt containing technology and weapons similar to those used by Batman along with possessing a drug-enhanced high intellect (devoted to crime rather than serving the law), Owlman became a master criminal and an ally to Boss Gordon (the antimatter Earth's version of James Gordon).

Thomas Jr. blames his father for the deaths of his mother and brother and it is strongly hinted that the main purpose to his criminal career is to punish his father, who is well aware of who he is and is equally determined to destroy his own son.

Owlman unlike Bruce has taken many shortcuts in his training he has taken drugs to mentally ehance his ceberal cotex to boost his intelligence and give him some mental powers. He has his own sidekck named Talon... It has been hinted though not confirmed that their have been more than one Talon. One of which was the kidnapped son a con-artist Jack Drake murdered by Owlman and Ultraman.

P.S. Superwoman's Amazon origin was there since her incepetion in Grant Morrison's and Quitely's Earth 2... Taking the alias Lois Lane, Superwoman is an Amazon by birth, and has risen through the ranks to become the chief editor of the Daily Planet in what she calls "Patriarch's World". This disguise resembles Wonder Woman's secret identity of Diana Prince. At the Planet, Superwoman is shown to upset her colleagues; the antimatter-Cat Grant refers to Superwoman as "Queen Bitch", and negatively alludes to her "friendship" with the antimatter Jimmy Olsen.

Jimmy Olsen is the only civilian who knows of Superwoman's secret identity. A compliant sexual deviant, he does what she tells him in exchange for the favour of watching when she changes her outfit and receiving pieces of it for his "disguise kit". He is so besotted that he ignores her gibes and insults, even when she tauntingly refers to him as, "Superwoman's Snitch, Jimmy Olsen," and prints it in the Planet. She has magic lasso that releases inhibtions
of anyone tied by it as opposed to telling the truth.

Johnny Quick- is a drug addict whose super speed comes from regular doses of a drug known as Speed Juice which injects into his arm similar to heorin. Apparently the drug is deprived from blodd samples from the original predeccesor the Original Johnny Quick.

Power Ring- On this Earth, the power ring is powered by an entity called Volthoom. A mad god that costantly tries to overwhlem the mind of who ever possesses the Ring eating at their sanity. Each Power Ring most tricks their successsor into accpeting the Ring and it's curse.

[TimothyLaskey]

See, I don't like Superwoman's back story at all since it deviated from the original CSA version.

Writer's may not like Wonder Woman's supporting cast, or her back story, but she does HAVE one. Why can't Superwoman reflect a warped portrayal of that? I realize that it's not the writer's job to do fan service. But the fact that they piggybacked Superwoman onto the Superman mythos reinforces that notion yet again.

Where does this "parallel Earth Jimmy Olson as sexual deviant" come from? Is he some paragon of viginity in the "real" Earth? Why the reversal? Why does it get tacked on to Superwoman's origin? Why not use Steve Trevor, after all he's a Wonder Woman cast member who is male and who has portrayed a male ideal of goodness in many years of comics -- or wait, is he just too toxically lame of a character to use? And whose fault is that?

How is it that all the other JLA members get a perfectly warped mirror-version of themselves, but Diana's is thick with references to Superman's supporting cast?

It's not a just symptom of the Wonder Woman Stigma that's been running rampant; since it's coming from the writers, it's part of the problem.

[dupersuper]

The JLA animated movie Crisis on Earth 2 had Superwoman's subordinates as mirror universe versions of the Marvels: Cap, Junior, and the older Uncle guy. Subtle suggestion that the animated Superwoman might actually have been an evil Lois Lane with the power of Shazam? Although they never showed a transformation.

I assumed it meant that the animated Superwoman was an evil Mary Marvel.