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10-19-2010, 05:52 AM
Courtesy of Marvel Comics, CBR presents an exclusive preview of "Ant-Man & the Wasp" #1. Written and illustrated by "Hack/Slash's" Tim Seeley with a cover by Salvador Espin, the series debuts Wednesday, November 10.


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28950).

firesnap
10-19-2010, 06:57 AM
jszxdhsf I am so excited for this.

It will be so many levels of great!

Vic Vega
10-19-2010, 07:01 AM
O'Grady's has now failed with High School Chicks.

He can sink no lower.

Which probably is a GOOD thing as Veil and Finesse are probably underage. Passing out just saved him from a beating (or worse) by Valkyre.

On the bright side, its good to see Veil and Finesse getting along.:biggrin:

Apathy Lad
10-19-2010, 07:12 AM
This is how you write Eric O' Grady, folks.

Iron Maiden
10-19-2010, 07:16 AM
Has O'Grady always had such huge muttonchop sideburns?? :tongue:

pharoahe22
10-19-2010, 07:16 AM
Looks awesome I'm definitely on board!

Sighphi
10-19-2010, 07:16 AM
wow that made the Academy kids seem way evil.

firesnap
10-19-2010, 07:22 AM
Have I said how much I love Finesse? I forgot to say that, I think.


I love Finesse.

The Cool Thatguy
10-19-2010, 07:28 AM
wow that made the Academy kids seem way evil.

What, pranking Eric after he gets drunk off his ass? That's not evil, that's human!

darknessatnoon
10-19-2010, 07:35 AM
Tim Seeley is fantastic, and Finesse is so obviously Sage's daughter that my head hurts!

Zach J.
10-19-2010, 07:38 AM
Erid O'Grady is a hero I can believe in.

preppistonpav
10-19-2010, 07:45 AM
This is how you write Eric O' Grady, folks.

For sure. I don't read Thunderbolts so I don't know how his characterization was there; Avengers: the Initiative got him down PRETTY good; but THIS! This is the Eric O'Grady from his solo series.

The guy's not evil. He's not a "bad guy." He's just a skeezy perve and a coward and a slacker.

He's wonderful.

-Pav, who was gonna wait to get this in trade form, but doesn't know it possible to wait that long...

Scavenger
10-19-2010, 08:02 AM
Ah, so that's what needed to make Avengers Academy good...Tim Sealy.

darknessatnoon
10-19-2010, 08:30 AM
Ah, so that's what needed to make Avengers Academy good...Tim Sealy.

Avengers Academy was already good. I didn't see that these scenes with the kids particularly stood out, though the pages were of overall good quality.

Prodigy55
10-19-2010, 08:42 AM
LOL, I love it. Tigra needs a new costume damnit. What a furry nightmare.

Scavenger
10-19-2010, 08:44 AM
Avengers Academy was already good. I didn't see that these scenes with the kids particularly stood out, though the pages were of overall good quality.

I've grown very tired of Pym and Co being treated like idiots in the book.

Mettle: "No, uh, we uh, don't know nothing about blackouts and stuff"
Pym: "Doi...ok"

Electrokid : "Gee, what a wild coincidence that we've been seen by the press, just like I was wanting this whole week."
Pym: "Doi, I don't know what to do, but yup I guess I'll listen to you doi!"

A single scene showing that the teachers, or at least Pym, are on top of the situation, that they're aware, if not outright wanted, the kids to know about the secret of the Academy. But left and right they're shown as being clueless.

Gage is backsliding all the work that Slott did on the character, and none of the other "adults" are looking good either.

They're the characters that are going to be around in 5 years...the likelyhood of any of the kids being in a book isn't.

(and seriously, I'm really tired of the constant "....but they're not a mutant!" mysterious origins)

XPac
10-19-2010, 08:48 AM
I still miss Eric's old costume.

That aside, these pages definately look fun.

It dovetails together the funner aspects of Eric and the Academy kids perfectly.

If Hank doesn't have another breakdown or something, Erics totally going to steal the show in this mini.

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 09:19 AM
Erid O'Grady is a hero I can believe in.

That's the spirit! Zach J's the man of the hour...well, right after Tim Seeley!! i loved this preview. but now i'm sad because i have to wait so long to read it.

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 09:23 AM
What, pranking Eric after he gets drunk off his ass? That's not evil, that's human!

yeah, this was perfectly acceptable behavior. and i couldn't be happier to see Eric actually being written in-character. he's not Gambit or Tony Stark. he just wants to be and is oblivious to his own skeevyness. but this was worth it just to see him call Striker a frat boy. :biggrin:

p.s. each one of these scenes would have been cooler if Eric was in his old armor.

darknessatnoon
10-19-2010, 10:03 AM
I've grown very tired of Pym and Co being treated like idiots in the book.

Mettle: "No, uh, we uh, don't know nothing about blackouts and stuff"
Pym: "Doi...ok"

Electrokid : "Gee, what a wild coincidence that we've been seen by the press, just like I was wanting this whole week."
Pym: "Doi, I don't know what to do, but yup I guess I'll listen to you doi!"

A single scene showing that the teachers, or at least Pym, are on top of the situation, that they're aware, if not outright wanted, the kids to know about the secret of the Academy. But left and right they're shown as being clueless.

Gage is backsliding all the work that Slott did on the character, and none of the other "adults" are looking good either.

They're the characters that are going to be around in 5 years...the likelyhood of any of the kids being in a book isn't.

(and seriously, I'm really tired of the constant "....but they're not a mutant!" mysterious origins)

I don't care about Hank Pym. The only adult that interests me in the book is Quicksilver. Pym can spend every issue slapping himself in the face, what do I care?

DaUltimateSheild
10-19-2010, 10:07 AM
LOL, I love it. Tigra needs a new costume damnit. What a furry nightmare.

STOP TRYING TO PUT PANTS ON MY SUPER-HEROINES! :mad:

preppistonpav
10-19-2010, 11:27 AM
p.s. each one of these scenes would have been cooler if Eric was in his old armor.

For sure. I honestly don't get why they put him in the original duds. Is it really that iconic of a look? I mean, I don't think so. Do Pym fans really want Eric wearing Pym's outfit? I doubt most do, if they even care. And it certainly seems like most O'Gradyfiles loved his Ant-Man suit. So...

Bring it back!

-Pav, who misses the antennae...

IronMagnus
10-19-2010, 11:43 AM
O'Grady is awesome. And Tigra is quite hot here.

Godlike13
10-19-2010, 12:02 PM
Can't wait :biggrin:

SuperCooper
10-19-2010, 12:15 PM
Sweeet. Good thing Hazmat wasn't there, she would've melted off half of Eric's face. Love it so far!

Godlike13
10-19-2010, 12:17 PM
If Hank doesn't have another breakdown or something, Erics totally going to steal the show in this mini.

:confused:, so far Eric is the show.

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 01:00 PM
For sure. I honestly don't get why they put him in the original duds. Is it really that iconic of a look? I mean, I don't think so. Do Pym fans really want Eric wearing Pym's outfit? I doubt most do, if they even care. And it certainly seems like most O'Gradyfiles loved his Ant-Man suit. So...

Bring it back!

-Pav, who misses the antennae...

well, to be fair, there's point to Eric wearing the classic duds. it's to emphasize Eric's connection to Pym; establishing him as part of Pym's legacy. it's also easier to write Pym being aggravated at Eric's presence with him wearing a version of his old costume. it's rubbing it in his face that he has been succeeded by a deuchenozzle.

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 01:01 PM
I don't care about Hank Pym. The only adult that interests me in the book is Quicksilver. Pym can spend every issue slapping himself in the face, what do I care?

Quicksilver is a lot of fun. i'm glad that he's part of the staff. can't wait to see the "brotherhood training" he gives to Finesse. she's got future-classic-avenger written all over her.

Bathawk1
10-19-2010, 07:45 PM
Has O'Grady always had such huge muttonchop sideburns?? :tongue:

O'Grady is an I Irish name

Ad if your an Irishman in comics you have to drink booze and have muttonchops...seriously think it was in the comics code authority once

Well guess we get one last good look at Hank Pym before he's not the Wasp anymore (How he's ever going to come off as bad ass in that Giant man outfit is beyond me)

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 07:55 PM
preview fun cast

Hank Pym - Patrick Wilson (or Val Kilmer if you have a time machine or i guess nathan fillion would be cool) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Patrick_Wilson.jpg

Eric O'Grady - Sean William Scott http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/SeannWIlliamScottAFFOct08.jpg

Striker - Ed Westwick http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Chuck_Bass_Season_3.jpg

Finesse - Michelle Trachtenberg http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005502/mediaindex

Veil - Mandy Moore http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Mandy_Moore_-_concert_2009.jpg/403px-Mandy_Moore_-_concert_2009.jpg

Monty_Cristo
10-19-2010, 07:59 PM
O'Grady is an I Irish name

Ad if your an Irishman in comics you have to drink booze and have muttonchops...seriously think it was in the comics code authority once

Well guess we get one last good look at Hank Pym before he's not the Wasp anymore (How he's ever going to come off as bad ass in that Giant man outfit is beyond me)

he'll be more media friendly in the Giant-man costume. it works better if he transitions back into the main Avengers squad, as well. giant-man is the look that works best for team shots.

Sighphi
10-19-2010, 09:07 PM
What, pranking Eric after he gets drunk off his ass? That's not evil, that's human!

No, the wanting to drink with an old dude who obviously wants some snookie mush mush.

That's ok from Taskmastergirl cause she is all, "I understand all science but not human feelings." So she goes ahead with things like this but Veil?

Oh wait, she is "getting back" at Justice by sleeping around, right?
I guess that's ok.

Umbra
10-19-2010, 09:28 PM
Have I said how much I love Finesse? I forgot to say that, I think.


I love Finesse.

Agreed. She is awesome.

DaUltimateSheild
10-19-2010, 10:22 PM
Eric O'Grady - Sean William Scott http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/SeannWIlliamScottAFFOct08.jpg



ok now i want a O'grady movie


Edit: I just found out there turning Pym back into Giant man, Whhhhhhy he had so much more versatility as the Wasp

Monty_Cristo
10-20-2010, 10:06 AM
No, the wanting to drink with an old dude who obviously wants some snookie mush mush.

That's ok from Taskmastergirl cause she is all, "I understand all science but not human feelings." So she goes ahead with things like this but Veil?

Oh wait, she is "getting back" at Justice by sleeping around, right?
I guess that's ok.

well Veil's already been established as being a weak-willed individual. and she did say that she felt kind of bad about what she was doing. and Eric did drink all of that cheap booze. btw, whose room was that supposed to be? i'm assuming that they were still at the Academy. there was a lady gaga poster on the wall.

Monty_Cristo
10-20-2010, 06:08 PM
well...since no one has mentioned yet, doesn't it seem like Eric is under attack in this preview? he makes the mistake of telling Pym that A.I.M is gunning for him. chances are that someone like Eric isn't going to spy on an organization like A.I.M. without getting found out; even w/ the shrinking powers. so he blabs about AIM. then the next few pages are of him complaining about a headache. then he passes out instead of continuing to mack on jailbait. then there's the obvious pink energy signature around his head. i wonder if that's the call sign of the new villainess Anesthesia?

Monty_Cristo
10-20-2010, 06:10 PM
ok now i want a O'grady movie


Edit: I just found out there turning Pym back into Giant man, Whhhhhhy he had so much more versatility as the Wasp

maybe Jan is returning and wants her name back.

Jack J Napier
10-20-2010, 08:54 PM
maybe Jan is returning and wants her name back.

We could only hope so. I loved her death in SI, it was so perfect, but I wouldn't mind her comming back. I'm def not against characters comming back to life exspecialy ones that I enjoy reading.

Ben Smith
10-20-2010, 10:15 PM
For sure. I honestly don't get why they put him in the original duds. Is it really that iconic of a look? I mean, I don't think so. Do Pym fans really want Eric wearing Pym's outfit? I doubt most do, if they even care. And it certainly seems like most O'Gradyfiles loved his Ant-Man suit. So...

Bring it back!

-Pav, who misses the antennae...

If not, it should be, considering it predates most of the Marvel universe

Ben Smith
10-20-2010, 10:16 PM
I don't care about Hank Pym. The only adult that interests me in the book is Quicksilver. Pym can spend every issue slapping himself in the face, what do I care?

My wife would disagree with you, as she is a huge Pym fan

DaUltimateSheild
10-20-2010, 10:59 PM
maybe Jan is returning and wants her name back.

that would be fine but then why not go back to yellow jacket

Giant man Symbolizes Pyms inferiority complex, and also means all brawn, no brains plus that means he wont be flying any more

i feel like Gage is undoing every thing Slott did :frown:

Ben Smith
10-21-2010, 12:16 AM
that would be fine but then why not go back to yellow jacket

Giant man Symbolizes Pyms inferiority complex, and also means all brawn, no brains plus that means he wont be flying any more

i feel like Gage is undoing every thing Slott did :frown:

I hope not, because Mighty Avengers made him a favorite of mine.

I think it's more simply to capitalize on his (arguably) most iconic of identities, as most other media like to use Giant-Man. If you want to get really cynical you could blame it on the new cartoon.

Godlike13
10-21-2010, 02:19 AM
that would be fine but then why not go back to yellow jacket

Because, Yellow Jacket should only be that jerk multiple personality of his :cool:. Never was a fan of them legitimizing that name and making it more than what it was. Since Ant-Man isn't an option, Giant-Man is the next best thing IMO. Though i share ur concern about "all brawn, no brains", we can only hope that isn't the case. Giant-Man never hesitated to shrike and use his noodle when needed back in his Tales of the Astonishing days, so he certainly doesn't need to become "all brawn, no brains". I at least hope we'll still see some gadgets. Im also curious to see whats going to happen to his wasp wings.

Monty_Cristo
10-21-2010, 09:26 AM
they could always make Eric (although i really like him as Ant-Man) the new Yellowjacket. or bring back Rita. i'm fine w/ either.

Monty_Cristo
10-21-2010, 09:29 AM
If not, it should be, considering it predates most of the Marvel universe

which completely misses the point. Eric isn't wearing the classic costume. he's wearing an ugly bulky pseudo original Ant-Man suit that looks like it was ripped out of the 90s animated series. if they want to make him look like the original ant-man they shouldn't half-@$$ it. he should be in the same costume they use on the cover of Secret Avengers #1 and the promotional art. it's a bait and switch.


My wife would disagree with you, as she is a huge Pym fan

Ted Bundy was popular with women.

Ben Smith
10-21-2010, 04:37 PM
which completely misses the point. Eric isn't wearing the classic costume. he's wearing an ugly bulky pseudo original Ant-Man suit that looks like it was ripped out of the 90s animated series. if they want to make him look like the original ant-man they shouldn't half-@$$ it. he should be in the same costume they use on the cover of Secret Avengers #1 and the promotional art. it's a bait and switch.



Ted Bundy was popular with women.

so, you're comparing Pym to Ted Bundy?

Monty_Cristo
11-04-2010, 09:19 PM
i dislike Hank Pym as a character. but his actions in the preview for next week's Ant-Man & the Wasp have earned my respect. he's at least making an effort to honor Jan's memory (finally). Seeley has done something that every other writer who has taken a stab at redeeming Pym has failed at (imo). he's actually had Pym atone in a way that reflects his crimes. so attaboy Seeley! i don't like Hank but i like the path he has chosen to take.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6876&disp=table

Iron Maiden
11-04-2010, 10:13 PM
I think Doom would confuse O'Grady with the Lucky Charms leprechaun and would have no reason to attack him. But I guess O'Grady needs something to tell that young chippie to impress her.

Professor Moriarty
11-04-2010, 10:26 PM
LOL, I love it. Tigra needs a new costume damnit. What a furry nightmare.

i swear, Tigra is turning me into a furry!

Godlike13
11-04-2010, 10:35 PM
i dislike Hank Pym as a character. but his actions in the preview for next week's Ant-Man & the Wasp have earned my respect. he's at least making an effort to honor Jan's memory (finally). Seeley has done something that every other writer who has taken a stab at redeeming Pym has failed at (imo). he's actually had Pym atone in a way that reflects his crimes. so attaboy Seeley! i don't like Hank but i like the path he has chosen to take.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6876&disp=table

Definitively a great way to honor Jan's memory, and atone a bit. Best so far :biggrin:.

Iron Maiden
11-04-2010, 11:14 PM
Definitively a great way to honor Jan's memory, and atone a bit. Best so far :biggrin:.

A definite step up from thinly veiled lust for Jocasta and getting dubbed the Scientist Supreme by Loki

Godlike13
11-05-2010, 06:26 AM
A definite step up from thinly veiled lust for Jocasta and getting dubbed the Scientist Supreme by Loki

Kind of two diffrent things. Don't think either of those were about atoning or honoring Jans memory.

timseeley
11-05-2010, 07:47 AM
I'm glad you guys dug it!!
The issue ships next week! Ant-Man always has a bit of an uphill battle to attract readers, despite his awesomeness. So if you like it, please tell others! Get on the net and review it, to! If you don't like it, well...that's all my fault!
TIM!

Iron Maiden
11-05-2010, 07:52 AM
Kind of two diffrent things. Don't think either of those were about atoning or honoring Jans memory.

You're right...what I am mostly referring to is the attempts to rehabilitate the Pym'scharacter in Mighty Avengers. Now that we know where she is, stuck somewhere in the underverse (?), maybe he can make further atones and get her unstuck. He is the Scientist Supreme :wink:

Dermie
11-05-2010, 09:00 AM
A definite step up from thinly veiled lust for Jocasta

"Thinly veiled"? I don't think it was veiled at all. *L* By the end of Dan's run on MIGHTY AVENGERS it was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta were a couple...

Godlike13
11-05-2010, 09:32 AM
"Thinly veiled"? I don't think it was veiled at all. *L* By the end of Dan's run on MIGHTY AVENGERS it was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta were a couple...

Well to be fair, by the end of Dan's run on MIGHTY AVENGERS it was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta weren't a couple, anymore :cool:. It was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta were a couple long before the end.

Monty_Cristo
11-05-2010, 09:59 AM
Kind of two diffrent things. Don't think either of those were about atoning or honoring Jans memory.

sounds right. it's too bad that Seeley's series didn't come out first. the Scientist Supreme (and changing his name to 'Wasp') stuff might have been a lot easier to swallow if it had come after the genuine attempts to honor Janet's life and building Bill Foster a "heaven." that's just my personal preference. i realize that we can't exactly go back in time. but, generally, it's a good idea to have a character make amends before elevating them. that's how they do it in hollywood.

Monty_Cristo
11-05-2010, 10:01 AM
I'm glad you guys dug it!!
The issue ships next week! Ant-Man always has a bit of an uphill battle to attract readers, despite his awesomeness. So if you like it, please tell others! Get on the net and review it, to! If you don't like it, well...that's all my fault!
TIM!

will there be Ant-man/Wasp t-shirts? who do i contact to make that a reality?

XPac
11-05-2010, 10:13 AM
i dislike Hank Pym as a character. but his actions in the preview for next week's Ant-Man & the Wasp have earned my respect. he's at least making an effort to honor Jan's memory (finally). Seeley has done something that every other writer who has taken a stab at redeeming Pym has failed at (imo). he's actually had Pym atone in a way that reflects his crimes. so attaboy Seeley! i don't like Hank but i like the path he has chosen to take.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6876&disp=table

That really is cool of Hank.

It's a shame he didn't try something like that years ago. If he did, maybe more people wouldn't view him as such a d-bag.

XPac
11-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Kind of two diffrent things. Don't think either of those were about atoning or honoring Jans memory.

Yeah, trying to bang Jocasta was definately not honoring Jans memory. That was probably part of the problem.

Scavenger
11-05-2010, 10:26 AM
That really is cool of Hank.

It's a shame he didn't try something like that years ago. If he did, maybe more people wouldn't view him as such a d-bag.

Oh please...you or Monte would just come along and bring up Shooter's crap story all over again like a broken record.

Godlike13
11-05-2010, 10:30 AM
Yeah, trying to bang Jocasta was definately not honoring Jans memory. That was probably part of the problem.

I don't know if it was a "problem", just a weird way of coping.

XPac
11-05-2010, 10:32 AM
Oh please...you or Monte would just come along and bring up Shooter's crap story all over again like a broken record.

As long as it's constantly being brought up in the actual stories then yeah... I probably would. Like it or not, it's one of Hanks defining things (along with Ultron). This very scene has Hank himself flat out admitting that.

Monty_Cristo
11-05-2010, 10:33 AM
Oh please...you or Monte would just come along and bring up Shooter's crap story all over again like a broken record.

i'm trying to meet you half way. and you are pushing me away. i'm not the broken record in this situation.

XPac
11-05-2010, 10:34 AM
I don't know if it was a "problem", just a weird way of coping.

Depends how you define "problem."

Was it a big deal? No (except maybe for Jocasta in the end there). Did it basicallly weird out everyone around Hank, and make it a bit harder to take him seriously? I think so.

Monty_Cristo
11-05-2010, 10:37 AM
Depends how you define "problem."

Was it a big deal? No (except maybe for Jocasta in the end there). Did it basicallly weird out everyone around Hank, and make it a bit harder to take him seriously? I think so.

you shouldn't even have to think so. it was right there on panel. i can provide pictures of Jarvis saying it was inappropriate. Hercules clearly doubted that Pym was all there. and they all took off in the last issue. but anyways...that was then. Seeley's Pym isn't Slott's Pym. i'll enjoy it for what it is.

Dermie
11-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Well to be fair, by the end of Dan's run on MIGHTY AVENGERS it was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta weren't a couple, anymore :cool:. It was pretty clear that Hank and Jocasta were a couple long before the end.

It was the end of MIGHTY where the relationship ended (with Jocasta getting pissed off at him, and then agreeing to marry Ultron), they were a couple up to that final issue. I only specified that it was clear "by the end of the run" because in the early issues they were being a little cagier about it--Jarvis walked in on what he thought was a sexual encounter, but it turned out to be Pym repairing her damage, etc. They teased at the relationship for a while before actually confirming it.


Yeah, trying to bang Jocasta was definately not honoring Jans memory. That was probably part of the problem.

I wouldn't describe it as him "trying to bang" her--that relationship was definately mutual; she was just as into it as her was. Whether or not they were fully intimate was never made explicitly clear, but I'd definately say it was implied.

Anyway, that relationship certainly had its creepy factor...but I'm not sure its quite as bad as people sometimes make it sound (if you leave aside the human/robot angle--but that's not a Pym specific thing, since there are at least half a dozen examples in the MU of relationships with artifical lifeforms).

In real life you often find cases of people who end up getting romantically involved with a sibling or other family member of a deceased loved one--shared grief can bring them together, plus the relative may share some of the traits that the lover originally found attractive in the deceased. The Pym/Jocasta relationship is similar to this. Jocasta has Jan's brain patterns as part of her programming--so some of what Hank found attractive about Jan lives on in Jocasta. It is understandable that he could find himself responding to that. As for Jocasta, the fact that she shares Jan's brain patterns means that she could easily be attracted to Hank for the same reasons Jan was.
Does it make it less creepy? Not necessarily...but it does make it seem a bit more natural, and a bit less unhealthy. Now, if Hank is only attracted to Jocasta as a Jan stand-in, then we're back to something very unhealthy...but I don't think they ever made him that bad. The only time he did something like that was in INITIATIVE #19, when he had Jocasta pose as Jan for him to get some closure on her death...but after that he always seemed to relate to Jocasta as her own identity, rather than just Jan in a new package.

Monty_Cristo
11-05-2010, 01:04 PM
I wouldn't describe it as him "trying to bang" her--that relationship was definately mutual; she was just as into it as her was. Whether or not they were fully intimate was never made explicitly clear, but I'd definately say it was implied.

Anyway, that relationship certainly had its creepy factor...but I'm not sure its quite as bad as people sometimes make it sound (if you leave aside the human/robot angle--but that's not a Pym specific thing, since there are at least half a dozen examples in the MU of relationships with artifical lifeforms).

the only aspect of the relationship that gave me pause was that Jocasta admitted to considering Hank Pym to be her God. she wasn't exaggerating, from what i could tell. that makes it, at least, unhealthy on her end.

Dermie
11-05-2010, 01:16 PM
the only aspect of the relationship that gave me pause was that Jocasta admitted to considering Hank Pym to be her God. she wasn't exaggerating, from what i could tell. that makes it, at least, unhealthy on her end.

Yeah, her worship of Hank gives that relationship an unhealthy level...but for the most part she seemed to treat him more as an equal than as a religious figure.

Their relationship was definately doomed from the start though. Between the rebound-like aspect of Hank getting involved with her so soon after Jan`s death, to the creator/god/grandfather relationship dynamic, to the fact of Jan's brain patterns being the primary source of connection between them, this relationship was always going to implode sooner or later.

Alan Smithee
11-07-2010, 04:39 PM
The preview is a letdown. The art was all over the place, especially of Ant-Man. His legs looked like stumps in somr panels and he had a mask that looked like a Nasa helmet. The dialogue was kind of Silver Agey corny. Plot intriguing and I do warily like the Pym characterization. Guy peferctly"gets" Tigra's' a#s, and manages to nail in a few panels.

Monty_Cristo
11-08-2010, 09:04 AM
The preview is a letdown.


The preview is awesome.


The art was all over the place,


all over a good place.


especially of Ant-Man. His legs looked like stumps in somr panels and he had a mask that looked like a Nasa helmet.


Seeley didn't design the ugly costume.


The dialogue was kind of Silver Agey corny.


and what part was that? i don't remember any silver age dialogue. are you talking about Eric purposely saying something supehero-ey to scare that girl off? that's just what he does because he thinks of superheroes as corny.


Plot intriguing and I do warily like the Pym characterization. Guy peferctly"gets" Tigra's' a#s, and manages to nail in a few panels.

see? the art is good.

Monty_Cristo
11-08-2010, 09:13 AM
Yeah, her worship of Hank gives that relationship an unhealthy level...but for the most part she seemed to treat him more as an equal than as a religious figure.


true. but a lot of that came after he finally disappointed her. i think Jocasta is growing/maturing. but it seemed like she was hurt by many of Pym's actions during the mighty avengers series. and, on his side of things, i can't help but compare his relationship with Jocasta to Pym (in some small way) trying to replace his first wife with Jan. there's a ton that we don't know about that part of his life? how close were he and Maria? she's rarely mentioned. the one scene they re-use has her talking to Pym much in the same way that Jocasta does. she was a foreigner whose father was a colleague of Hank's. no doubt she was devoted and attracted to Hank. but i wonder if they were ever able to relate to one another intellectually.

Alan Smithee
11-08-2010, 02:33 PM
The preview is awesome.




all over a good place.




Seeley didn't design the ugly costume.




and what part was that? i don't remember any silver age dialogue. are you talking about Eric purposely saying something supehero-ey to scare that girl off? that's just what he does because he thinks of superheroes as corny.



see? the art is good.

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Sssttttaaaannn! Monty''s being contrary again!